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Welcome back everybody to the latest and the
greatest episode of the Sweet Side of Life podcast
all the way from Southern California. I wanted
to come out high energy. Is that what your high
energy looks like? Yes, kind of scary. Now there's
this other podcast I listen to. I hate to see
your low energy. You've seen it. There's another
podcast I listened to called, I think it's called
the Vanilla Swingers. Actually an oxymoron, right?
I'm pretty sure give me one second unless they're
boring swingers They don't sound very boring
Yeah, vanilla swingers so they alright so I've
never seen them but they sound like they're hot.
Yeah. Yeah We sound like I don't know but we
have our photos out there so People can make
their own decision whether we're hot or not.
These people don't tell me There used to be a
website HotOrNot .com and you could post like
whatever you wanted. I used to have my penis
picture on HotOrNot. Did you? Yeah, for the longest
time. It's probably still up there. Probably.
I think I had a fairly highly rated penis at
one point in time. It's still highly rated. I
know a few people who rate it highly. I know
one person that still has it saved on their phone
from 27 ,000 years ago. But that isn't either
here or there. No, vanilla swingers, I'm trying
my hardest not to say um. Yeah, you called me
out. I'm like, I don't think I'm the one that
says it. I think I have ADD, because I get distracted
very easily. And my way of coping with that is
um. Yeah. You listen to our podcast, and you're
like, I say um a lot. Well, you said we, but
I think you meant you. It's you, too. I mean,
it's definitely me. It's definitely me. But you
don't help. You're right there with me. But um,
but anyways, vanilla swingers, they are extremely
high energy. Ah, I don't know if that's just
well, they probably do their podcast at like
10am. No, they they actually maybe no, they're
very similar to us. They actually they go outside
and they do it in their car. That's weird. Yeah.
But they have to it's just they have kids and
stuff so they have to figure out a way to do
it. What do their kids think they're doing sitting
in their fucking car? I don't know. For an hour.
I don't know. That's just straight. But anyways,
they're they're very I think that's weirder than
your kids like I don't know knowing what you're
doing or something. They've said weekly mom and
dad just go sit in the car. They've said and
they actually record weekly so it's a lot. They
um, they go they have a nice car Right. They
I mean that the recordings sound good. So they
have legit equipment in their car I don't know
what it is, but I have a car just for recording.
It doesn't go anywhere But it's gotten to the
point where they're all they'll like sneak out
the recording equipment like before They used
to be, what are you guys doing? But now they
like sneak it out like hours prior to the recording.
But anyways, I'm blowing up their spot. They
come off very energetic. Like, ba -ba -ba -ba
-ba -ba -ba -ba. I don't know if it's the editing.
I don't know if they slow down during like, if
they do a lot of editing. We don't edit. Yeah.
Or maybe they speed it up. Can you speed up your...
Can you speed up your recording? Like, I know,
like listening to it, I can like go like one
and a half times. You can record. I don't, I
don't, I think they, I don't know if they edit,
they edit very good because you can't really
tell edit points. Um, but I think, I, I, I don't
know. I think they're just really good at staying
on. No, I can't say staying on topic because
they're really bad about that. Um, staying high
energy. Yes. She is all over the place, but in
a good way. Like it's, it's very listenable.
Some, some people are just, I can't even like
listen. Yeah. They're very, they're just all
over the place, but they're very high energy,
but they're actually one of the ones that was
talking up, um, naughty and nolens very much.
So the last one. And they were one of the ones
that were very much talking up staying at the
main hotel, right? Which our big announcement
is we are officially Official officially official
we had bought the tickets a couple weeks back,
but now The hotel links came out and we are officially
officially staying at the Aster. Yes through
the entire Naughty and Nolens event So that's
gonna be a great time all the way in July of
2026. I'm actually excited for that I don't typically
get excited for shit that far ahead. Yeah. Well,
you've been excited for this for many years so
now price -wise How did this compare to the 311
crews that we we've normally do is it? Is it
rate kind of neck -and -neck similar? I think
the The hotel because we're staying six nights
Something like that six because we're they were
there before Yeah, it actually starts and then
it starts on like a Wednesday, right? Yeah Wednesday,
and then we're going out on Monday Yeah, so yeah,
I think it's like six nights that were there.
I Mean you said that was like a thousand something
which isn't bad It was like 209 a night and then
for the four primary days of the event Yeah,
so that's not bad. And then I booked our airfare
and we're actually going to extend it. So, yeah,
I think we're extending it. We're going to go
to Nashville for something non LS, but we may.
I don't know, we might find ourselves in some
LS stuff while we're there. We always find ourselves
in situations we least expected. But we wanted
to go to Nashville. And when I looked it up,
I was like, oh, it's basically like from here
to Vegas as far as flights go. It's like an hour
and something flight. So I was like, well, let's
just while we're out there, since we've always
wanted to go to Nashville, we're going to be
on that side of the states. Let's do. You know
naughty in New Orleans will do that whole thing
and then fly out on Sunday and do Nashville for
a few days I think even with the Nashville trip,
it's probably pretty similar maybe even cheaper
because I mean Yeah, we extend it even longer
when we go to Florida. So It is true. It'll probably
be actually more cost -effective Cheaper version,
but I mean we'll see once we get there. I mean
spending all the money once you're on the cruise
That's it, right? Like you pay for nothing packages
Yeah, once you've bought your drink package and
you've your foods all paid for and all that stuff
So and I will definitely have we know what happens
when we're drinking at a resort Yeah, we spend
way too much money on drinking. So I'm hoping
the booze are cheap in New Orleans. I'm Well,
the good thing about New Orleans is you can you
can take your drinks out of bars and you can
take them into other bars from what I understand.
Yeah. It's very much kind of like Vegas. Yeah.
And I know a lot of, um, I keep saying, um, it's
just, just ignore it because you just keep pointing
it out and now you're making it worse. It's there.
It's in my brain, but we, we are definitely going
to stock our bar in our room. Right. When we
get there, go somewhere into a store or something.
Yeah, for sure. And then, you know, try to do
our best to, cause we drink like fish and sailors.
Yeah. So we'll have to see. I think our drinking
bill will be probably... Although it's going
to be hot as hell. It is. So I don't know. I
don't do so well drinking that much in that heat,
so I might not drink. I try to balance it with
water because I don't want to die. Lies. I don't
want to die. Well, we don't want you to die either,
but you're lying to us right now. So before we
go and talk about drinking. Oh, yeah. So tonight
we are drinking drink. We're drinking drinks.
So I was telling you earlier. Cheers. Cheers
really quick that we have We have gotten kind
of lame with our drinks You were lame. You're
lame. You're lame. I think this is my first repeat
So maybe when we first started we were trying
a lot of new stuff We've got like but we've tried
so much shit running out of things to do And
all of them repeat themselves. They just put
a slap a different name on it. It's literally
the same drink and it's like want to lick a pussy
and then it's like want to suck a dick and it's
the same fucking drink. Yeah. So tonight I'm
going back to one of my favorites. I've had this
one once maybe twice on the podcast. It is a
rum runner, which is a the way I make it is a
white rum. a dark rum and actually for the dark
rum I used like a Barbados rum tonight that was
a gift from one of our friends and then blackberry
liqueur and banana liqueur pineapple juice OJ
and grenadine so all the liquors in the mixers
are I do one ounce pour of each so it's four
ounces of liquor in this particular version of
this drink with a splash of grenadine it's fucking
delicious This is my second one tonight. No,
third one tonight. Yeah, you lied. So I just
counted, because we were keeping track of it
so we didn't repeat. But I personally have put
on the podcast 41 different types of drinks.
Oh, fancy. So that's why we're running out. And
most of the time, we don't drink the same drink.
So I would say between the two of us, Minimum
60, but I would say more than that because nine
times out of ten we drink something different
because we have different palates as far as what
we find Delicious. Yeah, so I'm having a vodka
soda I'm having my lemon Eddie's vodka and my
Waterloo soda water Lemon line I went with lemon
lime lemon line find yourself enjoying Waterloo
more than LaCoury. Yes Do you find yourself enjoying
Waterloo more than? Buble. Buble? Buble and Waterloo
are very similar, but Waterloo you can get in
a case at Costco. So it's more economical. Gotcha.
But if Buble is on sale, I'll buy Buble. I like
them both. You are not committed to a brand.
No, but right now it's Waterloo. So the, oh yeah,
Naughty. Really looking forward to it. I've basically
heard from everybody that this is the ultimate
Swingers event, right? You know here you hear
about all the resorts the heatos and desire rms
and the pearl and Of course all the stuff in
Florida secrets Excuse me, but I've heard that
naughty Well, there's definitely I don't even
think you can come It's weird to compare the
two to me in my brain or compare those in my
brain and I say too, because I think of them
as different things. Like when you just brought
up like RM and secrets and those are resorts.
That's different. This is an event. So from my
understanding, and obviously this will be our
first year going, but my understanding is There's
workshops and there's yeah parties and there's
you know Obviously like people come in from all
over the world and it's like it's like a convention
more than a Resort, so I don't even think of
I'm not even my brain isn't going like oh, it's
this it's this like I'm thinking more like a
swinger convention Yeah, it's kind of what what
I'm thinking. This is gonna be like ultimately
what it is It's gonna be the the largest gathering
of swingers, right? Yeah, you go to resorts,
you're going to have 300 people, 200 people.
At Naughty, I think there's... Even a thousand,
but... I think at Naughty has 1 .5 million...
People? Couples. 1 .5 million? I'm just joking.
I'm like, that doesn't even make sense. Your
math is not math -ing. My math is... I'm not
very good at math. No, you're not. Like, New
Orleans would be bursting at the seams. There'd
be a lot of pee in the streets. It's, I don't
know the exact number. Clearly. That was evident.
It's gonna be 644 % more than last year, like
whatever that means. It's other advertising.
It's 644, not 645. Exactly. It's a very precise
number. Ultimately we're really looking forward
to it. I'm personally... Like you said, there's
there's classes and stuff. I'm not really into
that Class. Oh, you're gonna go. Oh, you're dragging
my ass all the way in New Orleans in the middle
of the goddamn swamp -ass summer You are going
to a fucking class. I'm going to the beach foam
party You're gonna go to the you're gonna go
to the give me a massage Tantric class is what
you're gonna go to as long as it doesn't interfere
with my beach Beach foam party at the beach They
have beach foam parties. That's one of the biggest
thing they do. Where's the beach? It's hosted
by swing nation. Where's the beach? It's a theme.
It's not literally a fucking beach. Yeah, clearly.
It's a theme. Anyway, so speaking of swing nation,
we actually booked through them as an affiliate.
So if I recall correctly, I think we get like
a grab bag and like a personal invite into her
pussy or something. Jesus Christ. That's what
the paid contract said. I don't know. I just,
I quickly sign it. No, basically all these other
podcasts and content careers, they have like
affiliates and stuff. And if you book through
them, the price is the same to us, but it like
helps them out. And sometimes the bigger... Content
creators or the podcast they have like kind of
a private little meeting greet or you get an
extra party here extra party there So in this
case, I felt it was appropriate to book through
swing nation because they're one of my favorite
podcasts I've listened to them since day one
speaking of swing nation They just recently their
last Thursday episode. Oh, yeah, in case you
guys didn't know the Tuesday talk episode the
Tuesday talk their jingle the jingle Yeah, that's
me. That's you. That's me They were talking about
replacing me a while back. But guess what? You
never got replaced never got replaced They have
like a new Theme song. It's a slightly. It's
a variation of their normal song. They've updated
it, but I still made the cut for the So yeah,
that's still me ladies and gentlemen and um playing
all the instruments, you know it But Thursday
this past Thursday, so it would have been the
week of the 10th or whatever They had a very
good episode it didn't really apply to me so
much because I personally personally don't have
any of these hang -ups but basically they had
a former pastor on the episode was about how
do you approach the lifestyle how do you like
deal with it with the religious aspect behind
it and it was really he was really funny and
it really opened my eyes to a couple different
things and and I suggest if you if you struggle
if you're a Christian or if you're religious
or you have any type of like hang ups within
the lifestyle listen to this because it's is
very eye -opening, and it might make you feel
better about things. Like he pretty much said,
Jesus said suck all the dicks. That's what he
said at the end, so. Did he? He did. You heard
it here, folks. Jesus said, suck all the dicks.
So it was a very good episode. Check it out.
It's where we nationed our last episode. Anyways,
I think I've touched, oh, shit. Yes, we do actually
have a topic for tonight. But I always like to
recap what we're doing coming up. You're like
wrapping it up. You're like, all right, guys,
thanks. I'm like, you literally had a whole notepad
worth of stuff you wanted to talk about. I got
a whole fucking notepad. So a couple of different
things. One, next Friday, the 17th, is another
Say Less meeting greet in Murrieta at the Cove.
So you can find it on Cassidy. or you can text
us at our super sexy text line, Sweetums. You
can find us there. And also, Athena's on October
25th in Fontana. It's their very special Halloween
party. And we're going to be celebrating my birthday
there. My birthday. My birthday. And we're also
going to be celebrating Roberto from the DTF
Lust Party's birthday there. And sweet and sour.
Sweet and sours birthdays celebrating there.
I decided he was sweet. He was sweet. Yeah She's
got the sass So Sweet from sweet and sour mister.
I can't say mr. Sweet Yeah, so there's gonna
be a lot of birthdays there guys and So yeah
again, that's Athena's and Fontana on October
25th Saturday. It's gonna be a big night a lot
of birthdays A lot of sexy times. If you want
more details, if you're not on Cassidy, you can
text us on our Sweetums line and I can give you
more deets. Otherwise, we'll see you there. And
of course, we are gonna be at the plush New Year's
Eve party. Yes. In San Diego over New Year's
Eve. La Joya. That's coming up. We're gonna be,
well, I already created a special event for that
on Cassidy for all the people that are going
there so we can kind of create a little bit of
a group before we go there. That being said The
topic for tonight actually the topic for the
next probably two episodes is gonna be taking
you all the way back To the beginning back back
to Kelly Kelly. So you've heard about what we
do on a daily basis But we're gonna go all the
way back and we're gonna talk about what it's
like to enter into the LS as a brand new fresh
pineapple Still right side up still correct.
Yes So there's a lot of things flip you around
Exactly. So there's a lot of things to discuss
but before we do that What's that sound Do you
hear that? Yeah What's that sound it's so weird,
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you guys enjoyed that yeah with the theatrics
So babe babe look at me look at me. I'm looking
at you. What why do you have a top on? Just continue
because you've got it freezing in here you get
one Oh, you know what? I forgot to turn off the
AC, so there's probably a buzz. One tit. No,
give me both tits. Well, turn off the AC because
it's fucking cold in here. I will turn off the
AC right now if you take your tits out. I will
take my tits out if you turn off the AC. Take
your tits out and I will turn off the AC. Okay,
get one tit. Okay. I'm gonna rip my shirt. Alright,
AC off. Alright. Just take them both out from
the tub. No. There you go. Yes, there you go.
You're gonna just gonna hold it like that the
entire episode that's just not weird at all So
you're entering into the LS you've had the discussions
What discussions? Like you've talked to your
SO about hey Do you want to try this? Do you
want to go out? That's how you talk to people.
Yeah. Okay Yeah, I'm assuming if you're listening
to this podcast That if you're brand new that
you're at least to the point where you've had
some type of discussion If you have assume anything
because you want to know what assuming does what
makes an ass out of you and me? Yes. All right,
so If you do you want to go even further back
then that? Or do you want this is your podcast,
babe? Well, you're like contradicting me here.
Like you're like, maybe we should. Do you want
me to go all the way? No, I think we've kind
of discussed how to kind of talk about how to
bring it up. All right. So what's the biggest
thing when you're entering in? You've had that
conversation and you're like, all right, let's
let's try this out. What's the first thing that
you think of? I don't know. What is this jeopardy?
It's called a conversation, baby. We just got
over that. We just said the conversation already
happened. No, this is no conversation between
you and me. OK. Oh, my God. Apparently, you didn't
get my laminated sheet I sent you. No, you could
have shared your. Is this on the thing? No, it's
not. Yeah. See, you could have shared your notepad
with me. So I would I don't want you to fuck
up my notes. All right. So the first thing, in
my opinion, you can tell me differently because.
I will if you're wrong, so just spit it out.
I think the first thing you want to do is make
boundaries. Yes. I don't like to use the word
rules because boundaries eventually will be stretched,
will be altered, will be pushed, and I don't
like the term broke rules. Right. Because I think
when you when you say you broke a rule there's
punishment there's punishment. It's automatically
negative So I think when you're approaching something
like this Like you both agreed to do something.
That's different. You've agreed to do something.
That's you know a little risque Outside the norm
outside the norm I think make boundaries. So
what are some of the boundaries that you can
think of? She's drinking You caught me. You have
to tell me when you're going to ask me questions.
We're having a conversation. I didn't know I
was going to be... This was supposed to be a
very serious episode, babe. I didn't know that.
Yeah. Well, maybe you shouldn't have had me drink.
Okay. You can't be sober because you're born
sober. Boundaries. Yes. Like that we have or
just that I can think of? Let's talk about...
Like a generalization of boundaries and then
we could talk about some people have boundaries
of no kissing. Mm -hmm. Some people have boundaries
of no sex some people have boundaries yeah of
Same room only some people have some people have
opposite boundary. I would assume probably of
they don't do anything in the same room Yeah,
some people have boundaries of one person plays
the other person doesn't Some people have boundaries
of I don't know. I mean, I don't know everybody's
boundaries. There could be a potential, but I
think you hit the most common ones. I think the
most common ones when you start into the lifestyle
are going to be kissing and no kissing, penetration,
no penetration, oral sex, protection. Oh yeah,
protection. All that different type of stuff.
And I think you always want to start off Me personally,
some people just dive in, but I think you know
yourself. If you're that type of couple where
you've never had a fight over jealousy, if you've
never had this or that, you don't have any known
issues, maybe you jump right in and you're fast
forward to the rest of this episode. However,
I don't think most people - Yeah, you're probably
not listening to this one because you probably
already are in it. Yeah, exactly. You skipped
all the podcasts. The recommended reading. I
think the biggest thing is to just understand
kind of where you're at going into it. And setting
boundaries helps that. So when we first started,
what were our boundaries? We didn't have any.
I'm just kidding. Maybe you didn't. Shit. Hussy.
Your face. You're all well. Pretty sure I had
some, but I guess. We were same room. No penetration.
Oh, group texts. Yeah, that's a big one. What
else? I don't remember. I kind of feel like that
was it. Yeah. Which is fairly basic we were basically
there's there's soft what's called soft swap
and there's full swap For most people's soft
swap indicates Everything's on the table except
for typically penetration penis penetration some
people include like finger finger penetration
also as not allowed However all of our times
we've played soft swap just literally was everything
except for sex. Yeah. So that's going to be fairly
general. I remember when we were talking, you're
talking about soft swap and full swap. We were
talking with our friends in Michigan who are
getting into it and their first experience with
another couple, which if you've listened to that
episode, it was during my birthday weekend and
we didn't get lucky, but they ended up having
their first experience. But we were in the car
and we were kind of digesting what had happened,
because I mean, I think they had had a little
bit of conversations, but they didn't have a
lot. But anyway, and they weren't really into
like the lingo and didn't really know some of
the stuff. So when we were having the conversation,
we're like, oh, so you soft swapped. And they
were like, she was so offended that I said, she
was like, no, we did like a lot of stuff. And
I was like, no, but like, it just means like,
you guys didn't fuck. And she was like, oh yeah,
we didn't fuck. But it was like, it was like,
she was like, no, we did like a lot of stuff.
And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Like it doesn't
make it sound like it's like, like it was just
like, like second making out. Yeah. Soft swap
is not second base. However. Not everybody looks
at the definitions the same so It's it is best
to clarify if you're having that consent talk
before you go to play, you know, which You should
you should it doesn't always work out that way.
But yeah Sometimes the consent talk is like mid
dick and mouth. Yeah. Oh, yeah, by the way, sorry
But you know in the in the The best version of
everything like you're gonna sit and you're gonna
talk like alright, what are we all okay with?
Yeah Just clarify because what you think is soft
might be slightly different than what the other
person right all of a sudden You got a fucking
finger jammed up your butt. You're like, whoa
That's not that was not on my list. It's not
on my bingo card. So Even though like what we're
saying right now is not the law, you know, some
people view it differently So always double check
what that person or those people are thinking
their definition of, because the last thing you
want to do is cross someone's boundary. So our
boundary when we first got into it, like you
said, was soft, same group text. We weren't even
group texting at that point, because when we
first got into it, we weren't even thinking like
friends. Yeah. We were just like, hey, let's
go have some fun, see what happens. And at the
end of the night, you exchanged numbers with
the girl. The girl, yeah. And I think you guys
had a text at one or two times later down the
road, but it never turned anything. So we didn't
even have that part of our boundaries set up.
True. Now our boundaries, we are full swap, what's
the word I wanna use? Situational. Full swap
situational meaning if we want to fuck you we
will We are not we are not what some people would
say DTF. We don't go with the intention on just
fucking the fuck We do fuck but um it there's
typically There has to be a little bit more Typically,
you know shit can get weird sometimes or she
can get fun sometimes, you know There's no hard
hardcore rule about that, but we are a full swap
couple our boundaries are the same you know,
right now we're same room, and group text, and
you know. Protection. Protection. Is there anything
else that you would consider a boundary? Not
for us. Yeah, we're pretty chill, and we're definitely
do the social aspect of it with friends and stuff
like that. So if you're brand new into it, You
might be running into this whole thing thinking,
all right, wham bam, thank you ma 'am. And some
people are like that. Yeah, some people are.
And they stay that way their whole life. Some
people are like, I can't even imagine being friends
with these people. I literally, I am gonna cut
you off. Cut me off. Cut you off, because yeah,
anyway. I just looking at my notes, this is gonna
be like a four parter. Remember because when
we first started you asked me to like listen
to some podcasts and stuff just to kind of get
an idea of people and perspectives and Yeah,
but there was another one that you had me listen
to and I think they were in Florida but um, there's
a couple that I listened to but The one in Florida,
I remember they had, I think it was in Florida.
They had like a couple like that they regularly
hung out with and like their kids hung out together
and like they did vanilla stuff together and
then they would go do like swinging stuff together
and they would party and they had this like whole
relationship. And literally this was when we
first got into it. I could not even picture having
friends that I hung out with in that type of
way or I mean. Even growing up, like I had a
very small like circle of friends that I hung
out with and I did not socialize with a shit
ton of people. Like I wasn't a social butterfly.
I was very much like I have my one friend and
that is who I hang out with. And it doesn't really
get bigger than that. I mean, your band expanded
my social circle, but that's about. it, you know
what I mean? Like it was very small. So for me
to think about where I was there and like now,
it's so weird. So I guess my point in saying
this is I think people probably listen to us
and are like, that's wild that they have like,
you know, so many friends that they go do all
these things with and whatever. And I mean, and
like we have nicknames for people and, you know,
all this, like all these people that we regularly
hang out with. And we do regular stuff with to
like football games and all that stuff that it's
so like people are probably listening like the
same way I was listening, like that's fucking
wild. But really, like this is a big thing. I've
gotten out of it is like it's expanded my social
circle. Yeah. And just me socially 100000 percent
like I never would have thought I had this many
couple friends. And when we go out and we tell
like like I tell somebody, oh, yeah, I'm going
out this weekend like they just are like They
can't people who know me now can't even like
my true vanilla friends, like the few that I
have, like can't imagine how many. If I tell
them, like, oh, yeah, I wasn't popular in school
or whatever, like you're wild. That's insane.
There's no way. And I was like, I really wasn't.
And then it's like because you have so many friends
now and you're out every weekend and you're doing
all these things. And I'm like, it's your boobs.
I want to be I want to be like, well. If you
only knew why I have so many friends I'll go
to work and be like, what'd you do this weekend?
I'm like, well Kind of uneventful and then I'm
like an orgy But I can't I'm not gonna be like,
oh, yeah. Yeah, it's just funny because same
way I didn't really have friends growing up just
my bandmates and and yeah nowadays I Shit ton
of friends. I know if you would have like if
my younger self would have like looked at me
now. I'm been like like Yeah, my older self could
tell my younger so I don't know like however
that were self would give me a fucking high five,
right? And I would tell my younger self dude.
It gets better Hang in there. I know life sucks
right now, but guess what? Yeah, so if you I
guess my point in saying this is if you want
a social circle and you want More of a social
life and that's part of the reason why you're
getting into it to like this is a good way for
that to I think for that I mean not that we went
into it with that intent because it didn't even
cross my mind until I started listening I wasn't
looking for friends. Yeah, I wasn't opposed to
it. Yeah, I wasn't looking for friends Yeah,
I didn't even think it was an option to just
have I mean I didn't think it was an option I
didn't think people you know, I really kind of
go went into this thinking it was gonna be like
Kind of a wham bam. Thank you ma 'am type of
situation and glory hole here glory hole there
just fun sexual experiences with you That included
other people and I didn't really think like oh
wow i'm actually gonna like really like some
of these people and have fun hanging out with
them and The good part about these friends is
that you don't have to be weird about things
like it's very open and It can be like everybody
says you can be your authentic self. Yeah like
right now I don't I don't really have any vanilla
friends, and we don't really have any vanilla
couple friends that we hang out with. I have
friends. You have friends, but we don't have
like... We don't have any like vanilla couple
friends that we don't have dinner with right?
It would just be painful night now the conversation,
right? Because you can't talk about facts. I'm
like blowjobs. I'm like, hey Can I grab your
tits really? No, you can't do that. You can't
do that with vanilla friends Some of the vanilla
couple friends we've had we've changed them Converted
them so Basically what it what it is is right
now if you're on the outside looking in it might
seem really weird but just be open to new things.
You're already going into the whole thing, being
open to new things. Let that continue in all
aspects of it. And that leads to whenever you
go to events and you see people, and we've talked
about this before, but clicky things. And I want
to say that I don't ever try to be clicky. I'm
always open to meeting new people and we try
to... meet new people. But I mean, we can't help
it if we know people, you know, places that we
go. And if you're new, I can see how that could
I guarantee you clicky. We have been called clicky.
I'm sure of it. And it's just the nature of the
beast. You find friends and you have friends
and you gather in a group. Yeah. But I think
the difference with our group is we do try to
go out of our way to introduce like one of the
things that I do is if we're going to a party,
I'll put out a rendezvous rendezvous or a hot
date if you're on one of those other websites
And I'll say like hey, you know, the magic word
for tonight is you know Waterboard or something
But I'm like if you, basically what I put is
if you come up and tell us the magic word, you
get a free hug from one of us, you know. And
it's just kind of like a. Icebreaker. An icebreaker,
and it's worked. We've had a lot of people come
up, they're like, hey, how's it going? Waterboard.
And it's like all of a sudden, you're kind of,
you're part of our group. So the thing I will
tell you is before. before you start, I'm kinda
skipping ahead a bit, is before you start going
to an event and you start labeling people as
clicky, you gotta understand you're also part
of that equation. You can't sit in a corner all
by yourself and point at people and call them
clicky. You have to meet them halfway. Because
I have personally gone out of my way to people
sitting in the corner. to try to bridge that
gap, and it doesn't always work. Right? Some
people are like, why are you talking to me? There
was a couple years ago, there was a couple sitting
in a corner, and I wasn't interested in them,
but they looked lonely. They looked like they
were scared. And I went up, I'm like, hey, nice
to meet you. I'm dot dot dot. Hey, is this your
first time here? And they looked at me like I
was a fucking idiot. Right. lasted about 25 seconds
and I, you know, I bowed my head and I said,
peace, I'm out. And they probably called us clicky,
but like I tried. So one of the things I will
say, some other podcasts I've talked about, they
set up rules for themselves. It's like when you're
going to a party, introduce yourself to a minimum
of three couples. Simple things like that will
help, will just make your night better. It's
gonna push you to come out of your box. it's
gonna help you break down those walls of the
clique. And it's gonna introduce you to people
that maybe you didn't, and it doesn't even have
to be people you're interested in. Just, you
can talk to a couple that's standing next to
you. You're like, hey, nice to meet you, dot
dot dot. You're at the bar, or whatever. You
come here often, what are you drinking? How long
have you been in the LS? There's so many different
ways. Just three couples per party, and all of
a sudden, that's kind of what happened with us.
We started going to these parties, started talking
to new people and now all of a sudden we're part
of the group. Yeah. So kind of skipped ahead
a bit on that because that was kind of one of
my later notepad things. You will see if you
would have shared your goddamn notepad with me
I probably could have helped you not skip along
but here I am just running my mouth going off
off the cuff. Let me know when you're done. I
was gonna say something before you so rudely.
You're the one that cut me off. What were you
gonna say with your infinite wisdom. No, I don't
know now. That's all right. I forgot. Must not
been that good. All right, move on. Go down your
list. I'm sure I'll think this is gonna be your
fourth partner. I can already tell shit. So one
of the underestimate the amount of time I can
talk for. That is true. What one of the other
things is that's very important when getting
into the LS is you always have to go the speed
of the slowest person. Yeah. Now that can also
change. So we call it the gas and the break.
So typically the person that's the most excited
about it is gonna be the gas. And you have the
person that's a little more tentative, that's
gonna be the break. Makes sense, right? But sometimes,
like for us, I was kind of the gas, you were
the break, and then sometimes it's switched on
us. And like all of a sudden I'm playing keep
up. And I'm like break, break, break, break.
You have to, the biggest thing about the Ellis
is you have to adapt. I think we're a little
more balanced now. I think we're definitely more
balanced. Yeah. I think we're more, we're definitely
more balanced. I think we've figured out our,
our kind of our sweet spot. Yeah. Sometimes I
want to be a little more of this. Sometimes I
want to, but it's like, ultimately I think we've,
we've found our spot, but getting into it, there
was like, Remember we we had like many years
ago. We went to a place in Palm Springs and you
got pretty drunk and We got into a big old fight
Like we were we were having like a little moment
if you and I see I was fucking you doggy mm -hmm,
and there was a couple that was watching us we
talked to this couple earlier in the night and
They they were watching us from afar and I kind
of waved him over and we started kind of doing
like a parallel play situation and It was going
good until it wasn't and at one point like you
just got up and you ran to the bathroom and you
had a moment and like I followed you and it turned
into a big fight and That that you know, we went
back to the hotel. You were running across the
street. I'm telling you to not get hit by cars
You know, I guarantee you everybody that's listening
that has been doing this. I don't remember that.
Probably because I had too much to drink. You
might remember the next part though, but I guarantee
you everybody that's listened to this like, oh
yeah, we've had that fight. We've had that fight.
So we got back to the hotel. We argued some more.
It was stupid argument. The next day we were
going home and I was like, babe, I'm done with
this. Like, do you just want to pull the rip
cord now? Like we're out. I can't do this. And
in my head, I'm thinking you're gonna be like,
yeah, you're like, no, wait, wait, wait, calm
down. Hold on. I'm like, what? So like it went
from I was the guest and all of a sudden I was
the break. I'm like, fuck this. I'm done. I'm
not fighting like this no more. And you're like,
whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. I was like, shit,
you know, just, and that was one of the moments
that made me realize like, okay. Not everything
is a make or break. Yeah. Well, I think for us
it's different and all couples are different
and we actually realize that at Dinner the other
night with some of our couple friends, but you
and I we I don't this isn't like a like bragging
point or whatever, but we We don't have fights
like we don't fight like that's not our we've
been together for 20 something years and from
up until I mean. I was 18 when we got together,
so I mean, we had fights, obviously, when we
were first dating and like that stuff. But basically,
once we've a full shirt, once we've been married.
Yeah, we don't fight. No, like it's not. We've
had maybe two fights. So before we got to the
L .S. and then obviously the L .S., there were
definitely situations where it brought up like
big emotions and brings up insecurity and security.
Why they say don't go into it. trying to fix
stuff. Yeah, because it'll it'll gonna highlight
all of it. Exactly. So I think I think for for
us for that part of it is it became like when
those things would come up and we would have
those like arguments or whatever about insecurities
or if you want to say jealousy or you want to
say what do you what is the other word you use?
Well, jealousy presents well, Envy, envy, whether
oftentimes you're having envy and it presents
as jealousy, but it's different. Yeah, they're
different for sure. But whether it's jealousy,
envy or whatever such insecurities, which is
mostly I mean, jealousy is a lot of insecurities.
Anyway, whatever was coming up at the time, like
we were we were arguing way more frequently because
we were pushing a lot of boundaries within our
relationship. And so The first part of it, that's
I think that's where it was like, let's pull
that like you. That's where you were like, I
need to pull this record. I'm not used to literally
where don't we don't fight. So it's like very
unusual for us when it's fun. It was fun. But
then we would have these like fights and I'm
like, I don't like to fight. Yeah. So I think
I don't know. Again, I think like obviously all
couples are different. But for us, that part
of it was hard because it was like we never fight.
I mean, now we've. Gone back to figuring that's
why I said, I think we're more balanced now like
we're One isn't the gas and one isn't the like
we kind of have figured out that clutch situation
We both have our own gas pedal But yeah, so I
think that was that's a little different but
again every our relationship is definitely not
everybody's relationship so that's not My scenario.
We are at dinner with friends and they're like,
that's not healthy if you don't fight. There
is truth to that. But I think only if you're
holding in resentment. Yeah, exactly. If there's
bitterness and you just don't choose, neither
one of you are confrontational. Both of us are
very confrontational when we need to be. Which
is why when we fight, it's like explosive because
both of us are like, fuck you and fuck you too.
We just don't get to that point very often. Thank
God because you would lose more fights. Okay
So ultimately, uh, I hate to say it but getting
into the Alice be prepared for some some spicy
conversations. Yeah, I don't want to say fights
because not everybody's going to fight about
it. You know, not everybody's going to go in
with insecurity. We definitely be prepared to
push boundaries. And that's oftentimes hard conversations.
It can be a loud conversation. Yeah. And and
drinking doesn't help drinking. I mean, we're
big drinkers. So that's that's always like part
of the thing. And I mean. I think the only time
we've argued sober is if you said something stupid.
You're so dumb. I think sober, obviously they
always say like sober heads prevail. And I think
that's where it kind of happens is like it's
hard to have those conversations when you're
drunk because nobody's thinking straight. And
like I said, I don't even remember running in
the street or doing any of that stuff. But obviously
I was drunk. So. One thing we will recommend
is there's, I'm sure you've heard the term safe
word or like a word to kind of stop play. So
say you're in like a spicy situation and somebody
gets overwhelmed and you want to pull the plug
on it, it's good to have a word that lets your
partner know that hey, we need to just hold up.
Yeah, I'm not there. I'm not there. Safe word
was pineapple, which is which is the stupid which
we didn't okay when we first thought of our safe
word though We didn't really realize the whole
Scenario with pineapples being very LS and all
that stuff. We've always had like our Like we
always have had a beach vibe, like our house
is beach vibe. I'm from Florida. Yeah, we're
like aloha vibes, like just super, you know,
chill. So it just made sense. Yeah, so it just
- And you wanna choose a word that is not gonna
come up in regular situations. Regular conversation,
right? Like chocolate Danish. It's not like beer,
where it might come up or it's not like, oh,
that feels good is my safe word. Yeah. Like that's
not a good one. Yeah, so - Like fuck me harder.
Yeah, she wants to stop guys. Yeah, she said
no. So that's like, so it's just funny though,
because yeah, that was our that was ours. I mean,
obviously, it's not anymore. But it was ours.
And it was we just we had no clue. We're like
upside down pineapple. Wow, we're so original.
But what I was getting at is pineapple for us
has actually transitioned into another version
of our safe word. And I would recommend doing
this if if you're drinkers if you're drinkers
yourself arguing and you know that Sometimes
you just have stupid fights over like something,
you know something dumb because most drunk fights
are dumb so we have something where if one of
us if we find ourselves arguing and It you're
going in circles or you realize like to yourself
That it's a dumb fight and you don't really want
to apologize We have we use admit you're wrong
We use the pineapple as kind of like a ripcord
to the argument and the concept of it is like,
okay Let's just both realize this is stupid.
This is stupid. We can step away from it We can
still maybe be angry for whatever reason, but
maybe we can salvage whatever we were doing you're
out for the night You know, you got the hotel
room You got the dinner reservations and sometimes
you just like you're arguing about something
stupid and one of us will just be like pineapple
pineapple. And that's like our way of saying,
all right, this is done. I love you. Let's move
on. Yeah. And it works 90 % of the time. If we
remember. Yeah. To say it. Sometimes we still
have the stupid ones. Sometimes we're like, oh,
we should have said pineapple last night. So
that's another another pro tip is safe words
can be used for other things than just bedroom.
Sometimes you know, in this emotions are riding
high. You're going to experience feelings that
you're not used to. And sometimes you just have
to pull the rip cord on that moment. And that
allows you to step back, look at it from another
angle, you know, resume the conversation tomorrow
when you're sober and all that stuff. So that's
another kind of pro tip. The other thing I want
to say, too, is like, well, you just said having
like a having a safe word during play that your
partner knows. And if something happens, but
I'm not feeling like obligated to explain yourself
to the couple that you're with. No, you don't
owe the you only thing you owe the other couple
is respect. Yeah. Just as a human. Yeah. Yeah.
But you don't owe them an explanation. You don't
owe them. I mean. You don't owe them. Oh, I have
to finish because we started this or like what
no if Consent can be taken away at any point
exactly. So if it's done, it's done. And if you
make a scene, I Mean you make it's not ideal.
Yeah, it's not an idea. We've all made a scene
but bad just gracefully back out of it as much
as you can and move on like I don't I think that
I was having another conversation with other
couples about their Some couple was playing with
a new couple and they had a situation. The guy
got really upset or whatever, and it made it
awkward. And then they had to see them the next
day and it got really awkward. But I was kind
of thinking to myself, I mean, I get it like
that's awkward, but they don't really owe you
anything. You know, like we're all in this. With
our partners, and that's our primary person.
And if my primary person is uncomfortable and
they don't want me talking to you or explaining
to you what happened or they don't, you know,
don't want me having that conversation. I don't
I don't necessarily owe that. And then also think
of that in reverse. Like if a couple. ghost you
or something happens or whatever and you're like,
Oh, what's wrong with us? I definitely like would
not think, Oh, what's wrong with us? I would
think something happened with them because that's
more than likely like what happened is something
happened with them. They either it like feelings
were hurt or I mean, we all live our, we all
live our normal lives to something in their normal
life could have happened or whatever. You know
what I mean? Like you just don't know. And I
would never assume like, Oh, feel like that's
what people Because we're kind of in like the
dating where they take it personal, you know
Like oh, it's us or like they're ghosting us
or they're like whatever with us and it's like
don't take it personal move on, you know, and
if like there's other people they weren't your
people or You know wasn't supposed to happen.
I mean that's kind of partially why we don't
plan a lot of our plays because It's like what
will happen will happen and then you don't have
that like yeah. Oh, we were supposed to do this
and then they Ghosted us or whatever because
we just don't plan stuff like that. Yeah, we
don't set it up to that extent Yeah, but I mean
I know people that do so I guess just don't take
it personal because it's more than likely something
happened in their vanilla life or their marriage
or their relationship or whatever it is that
Actually happened and they're just not gonna
tell you they just don't need to tell you because
they don't I mean They really don't owe it to
you. Yeah So, let's see We've covered that, we've
covered that. All right, I think you guys know
everything. Now you're ready. All right, guys.
So winging 101, cut. Grab that string dick and
go. So a couple of the other things is, you know,
just kind of what you were saying, use your words.
That's gonna be the biggest thing for anybody
to do is using your words, especially I would
say for the female perspective. I mean, I guess,
yeah, more females are more or less likely. They
tend to play to make the guy happier. They don't
want to end something like, no, use your words.
If someone's doing something that you don't like,
tell them no. Like you were saying, you don't
owe them anything. You're there for a shared
experience. Right. If that is not living up to
your side of the deal, cut it. Say no. Right.
No. spank them on the nose. That kind of goes
with the taking one for the team thing. Well,
that's one of the subjects here. Yeah. So I don't
think we're gonna get to all that. That's pretty
far. We're on like number four of like 27 ,000.
Damn. Yeah, there's a lot going on there. That
list is extensive. So what basically has happened
was I started compiling my own thoughts and as
I was listening to other podcasts, ideas kept
permeating into my brain and I started notepadding
it. You're not sharing that notepad, that's for
sure. Even though we're on iPhones and you could
easily have shared that with me. I could have
also been prepared for today. I kind of like
getting your raw answers versus a constructed
answer. So one of the things is use your words.
If it's not going your way or you're uncomfortable,
you can use your safe word. Don't be afraid to
make a scene. A scene is momentary. and if it
saves you guys from further issues, you know,
do what you gotta do. Yeah, I mean, it's not
ideal. Here's the thing with me. If we're having
an interaction with a couple and I see her panic
or him panic and pull away and say a safe word
and you can see there's an awkwardness, I would
not judge them. Right. I'd be like, hey, okay,
cool, I don't know if it was me, my bad, sorry.
figure it out, we can talk later. Like I would
never judge you. Now, if it became something
where he gets up and punches me and pushes me
and then it's going to be an issue at that point.
Like that's not the way you want to take it.
No, but just, you can pull out of the situation
literally and then, you know, have a conversation
later. If you want it personally, I wouldn't
like every, I've, I've been the guy that's been
the awkward one. So I would just say, be, be
nice, be gentle. You know shit happens to everybody.
Yeah So the other thing is is you kind of have
to figure out your personal couple dynamic Right
like how what's your style of play? What is what's
your reason for being here? What is it? You hope
to achieve, you know so the I would say the most
probably common is just Swinger couple right
like you're both swapping. You're swapping. You're
you're both in it to win it There's, you know,
kind of even across the board. But there's a
lot of variations and I'm going to talk about
a few. Well, you just said even and it kind of
triggered me a little bit because I think some
people and I recently heard this is what's fair
is fair. Like if you get something, I get something.
If you get something, I get a tit for tat situation.
And I don't to me personally. I don't think it's
healthy to keep score. No, like we've never really
approached. No, we haven't. I'm not saying that
we have. I just heard like that. Some like some
we've had situations where a girl will give me
attention and then the guy thinks he can do the
exact same attention with you. Yeah, that's not
even what I'm talking about. But yeah, but I
mean, it's very much like, yeah, that will happen.
You're with my wife. I get to be with yours.
And while that seems fair, in quotations, everybody
needs to be part of that agreement. And the woman,
just because maybe your wife likes me, my wife
maybe doesn't like you. It's nothing personal.
But if you guys are that type of couple, then
we're not your couple. So there's definitely
been a few of those where the wife's been into
me, but you're not really into the husband. And
then he's kind of pushed on you. without even
having that like, hey, conversation. Yeah, just
look. Yeah. No, that's not cool. Yeah. And I've
never never approached the same way. We've had
some situations way earlier where the guy was
into you and the girl either what she wasn't
into me or she was shy or whatever the case.
And you were making out with him at the bar and
I'm sitting there fiddling with my my fingers
like saying, well, shit, what am I doing? And
that's when I had jealousy, jealousy, slash envy.
And it was more like, well, I want to do something
too. Yeah. So it wasn't necessarily jealousy.
It was just like, I kind of felt left out. So
you kind of have to, you got to work your way
around that. Yeah. Kind of figure out if you're
that tit for tat. Yeah. You got to play like
that. Yeah. And then if that's the case, then
you really need to have those conversations.
And The way we play like the kind of moving into
it like slow like just the like natural progression
of things probably doesn't work as well because
You would need to know each of you are into each
other. You know what I mean? Cuz then if She's
giving you a blowjob, but I'm not into him and
I'm like, oh well You pick somebody who I'm not
into her spouse. So now I get to go with somebody.
You know what I mean? Then it becomes like a
tit. Like I was just saying, like a tit for tat.
Like you did this. Now I get to go do this, even
though I wasn't into him. And this is like, no,
I'm like, if you get at the end of the night,
sometimes we're like, oh, you know, what did
you do tonight? Because we're at like a party
and, you know, not that we don't like we've we
always make sure we're if we're fucking we're
in the same room. But like we've talked about
this before. the soft play like blow jobs as
long as it's out in the open and not um with
with the soft play we're kind of same roof is
what they say yeah same roof same roof so um
sometimes i don't know all of that you've done
and you're like you don't know all of what i've
done at the end of the night and so we'll kind
of be like that but it's I'm not like, okay.
Well, you got 11 blowjobs tonight So then tomorrow
night I get to and I only had two so now I get
nine more on Right, you know what I mean? Like
it's not like it can't be like that I don't know.
I think and if you are then you have to figure
out your play. I just have to make sure that
is Translated to the people you play with because
it's gonna be a big consent issue because not
everybody's gonna It's you're not always gonna
have that four -way connection. Yeah, I think
we've done very well That sense. Yeah, like we
a lot of people talk about they struggle with
the for the you know, the unicorn four -way connection
I feel like we've done really well. Yeah, but
I think part of it is to is ours. Not our standards
are low but like Sorry friends that are listening.
No our standards are not low but our but we're
like we always say I'm not trying to check every
box Yes, like I've married my person who's checking
all my boxes With play partners, I'm just trying
to check like half of them. Yeah, you know, like
I want to be attracted to you. Give me a couple
of solid checks. Yeah, I want to be attracted
to you. And then like, you know, good personality
helps. And like, you know, it's just like you
could be funny. I don't know. Like it just like
funny. You could be funny looking. I could go
either way. You know, like it's just like, you
know, maybe you're not. Six foot plus, but you
know, you've got other qualities or whatever.
So it's like it doesn't need to check like every
single one of my boxes because I'm like, I'm
not marrying you. I'm just having fun with you.
But I think some people when they're looking
for that four way connection and I don't know,
I could be wrong. I feel like they just want
too many boxes checked and then it's like, OK,
well, yeah, you're never going to find the equivalent
to. All your boxes and your spouse find the equivalent
to all their boxes in the same like it's gonna
be yeah That's gonna be hard. But if you just
like go for a few I feel like you know, as long
as attractions there I think that's the biggest
thing is like you you got to go into it realizing
you're in it for fun at least I would say us
and I Would say most others are in it for fun
Some are some people are looking for more and
that's where the goods in this polyamory. Yeah
But you kind of have to go into it like, I'm
here for a good time, not a long time. And you're
not, you just, like you said, check as many boxes
as you can, let's have a good time. And I think
that's, what was the primary subject of that?
So I started with the fact that you said, like
you said equal. You said equal. And then I was
like, oh, no, like that word, whatever word you
said, I don't know if it was equal, whatever
you said, it kind of got me where I was like,
oh, I don't like love that like idea of like,
oh, we have to be equal. Like if you get this,
I get this. If you get this, I get this. So basically
what I was getting into is some of the different
dynamics. So you have your kind of your basic,
you got full swap, which is what we talked about.
You have soft swap, which is what we talked about.
There's a dynamic called hot wife in and that's
basically. Where the husband is only really wants
the woman to experience though his wife to experience
it so he Yeah, so he gets off on The fact that
she's out Yeah fucking being comes back gets
the stories. Yeah pitchers. So there's that's
hot That's hot wife and so typically that means
again, this is not by law definitions. This is
just kind of my experiences they go out on dates
they go to events by themselves come back with
stories videos whatever or he can be there but
that's a different that's a different thing i'll
get to that so and then there's hot husband which
is a little little different um i mean it's not
different it's a little more rare i think it
does happen but it's the reversal hot wiping
then they have cuck which is That's when the
husband is there, but there's a there's a layer
I was gonna say you can't what I was gonna say
wasn't the guy can be there, but it doesn't have
to be babe I'm getting there. Okay, you don't
know these definitions like I do my gosh God
woman. Okay webster and talk. Let's go Webster
dictionary so cuck is When the man is there often
in the room and there's like a level of like,
you know demeaning You know the guy or the woman
are like, you know I'm gonna do her better than
you, you know, very basic. But that's kind of
the cuck hold. And then there's stag and vixen.
What about cut queen? You can do that. Stag and
vixen is what you're talking about. But you didn't
explain cut queen. It's the same thing. It's
just the other way around. It's the opposite.
It's also unlike... I just said cuck. It's also
less... Well, in our experience, it's less common
than a cuck. Yes. Yeah, we have never... Man.
We have never interacted or played with a full
-on cuck queen. Or a cuck. Yeah. I'll tell you
later. And then what I was getting at is stag
and vixen, which is kind of what you were trying
to get at. Basically, stag and vixen is where
the guy and the girl will often play one or the
other. But there's no level of demean and there's
no cucking in it It's just I'm enjoying watching
my wife have a good time or I'm enjoying watching
my husband. I would say we're kind of stag and
vixen In the sense of I don't have to be fucking
I could be enjoying you getting fucked. Mm -hmm.
That's very much like an MMF or MFM type of situation
I'm kind of there. I love how you how you Freudian
Freudian slipped that and then and then And it
was also very much like us and that that the
one party Where you put the condom on me so I
could fuck this one girl and yours just standing
there kind of watching a little bit I mean I
was Yeah, trying to be with another person That's
that's kind of the stag and vixen aspect aspect
of it. Like it's it's not tit -for -tat like
We can kind of be doing our own thing and enjoy
watching the other person do the thing, but there's
no cucking, there's no demeaning. It's just like,
hey, we're here for a good time. So I think we're
kind of borderline stag and vixen, not extreme,
but borderline. And then there's also, you know,
voyeur and exhibitionist type of activities.
More on exhibitionists for sure. Definitely exhibitionist.
I'm very much a voyeur, but more an exhibitionist.
I enjoy watching. Yeah, I know you do. But I'm
definitely more of like putting on a show and
being watched and stuff like that. So there is
a lot of different dynamics. These are just kind
of the basic base baseline, kind of the ones
you're going to see on a regular basis or you're
going to hear about unless you go to like a like
a fetish. Yeah, if you go to like a kink or a
BDSM focused, you're going to hear all kinds
of different kinds of and I don't even claim
to know those. I zero know them. There's all
kinds of levels in the kink and but these are
just kind of like the basic We'll call it this
the starter the starter kit the starter kit swing
your starter kit Wow, I think I think we're gonna
wrap this episode up here because I think this
is a good part because Just basically as you're
starting to get into it it's We have some friends
that hate labels and hate categories, but I think
it's important to kind of know What you're doing
how you're approaching it so you can put yourself
in that like a position to succeed Yeah, I think
it's important to know just so that you can also
explain it to other people Yes, it's like what
are you gonna walk up to somebody and be like,
okay, so here's the situation I like my wife
to get fucked and then in the same time She's
going to be talking about my small dick while
you're fucking her with your big dick. And that's
the situation we're looking for. There's a word
for that. Like it's like it's like it just helps
you not have to explain all of that, because
it can get a little weird where it's like, oh,
we like a cuck situation. So he's going to be
there, you know. And then. most people who are
in it are going to know. If they don't know,
then you probably have to get into that whole
situation where it's like, don't get, you know,
don't don't get all upset when she starts like
laughing at my small dick. Well, yeah, you're
going to get into a situation and they don't
know it. Other people get pretty weird. Might
get weird. Like, wow, she's really rude to her
husband. So yeah, so I think it's good just to
have labels or whatever, just to be able to quickly
kind of Give a synopsis of your dynamic and then
also with consent. Yeah, you gotta you gotta
know where everybody's consent levels at your
expectations so you can just have a a very very
fun experience and not have a fight where you
have to say pineapple experience Have a fantastic
night So that being said I think this is gonna
go to like at least a three -parter because we
got a lot more We're gonna finish our talk about
kind of what to expect, and then we're gonna
talk about going to your first event, what to
expect. And then we're also gonna talk about
all the different types of events that are out
there, and what are some of your favorites. Honestly,
I think we've hit that in the beginning when
you started talking about Naughty, and then I
was like, well, there's this. No, we didn't even
talk about it, though. house parties, hotel takeovers,
meeting groups. Well now you're done. Hotel rooms.
You're just doing it all. Right now you're doing
the most. We're gonna talk about all those and
then typically in our experience what some of
the expectation levels have been at those different
types of events. All right, that being said,
I think we're gonna go ahead and close this motherfucker
out. All right. Take it away. You go for it.
I was gonna do it in Spanish again, but I've
been told my Spanish is shit muy malo All right.
I'll take it away in the world full of apples
when enjoying the sweet side of life Keep your
pineapples upside down believe in unicorns and
keep shaking it up Love you, baby. Love you,
too. I like my ruin my fucking outro. I did not
I was using a swing nation one rude You need
to get off her goddamn jock is what you need
to do. I'm just ready for you to fuck her so
that you can just get her out of your brain.
I don't think I want to be her type. I don't
think so. Make you her type. Oh, that's weird.
All right. Good night. Good night. Love you.
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