If you do something outside of the will of God,
that is the real FOMO, because you will never
experience or you'll always wonder what is it
that God had for me that year? Because, you know,
clearly you're not going to experience the will
of God if you're stepping outside of it. So and
what makes you think that your idea for your
life is better than what he had for you or that
that little opportunity that you thought was
so great is better than the opportunity that
he had planned for that time in your life. So
as I got older and I started to see the outcomes
of some of these, what I thought were small,
bad decisions, I realized, wow, I was saved and
I trust God so much more with my life and there's
no bitterness when I think an opportunity is
getting passed up because I know that I'd much
rather have God's plan for my life than this
little compromise. Hey there, welcome to the
God's Goodness podcast. We are your host, Josh
and Shelly Hankins, and we're here to share real
stories of God's power, stories of hope, healing,
and miracles that will strengthen your faith.
No matter what you're walking through, we want
to remind you that God is good and he's still
moving today. Let's dive in. Today's guest is
someone the Holy Spirit clearly put on my heart,
and when he does that, I know it's for a reason.
Lisa Lee Wolt started in Hollywood, acting in
hit shows like Malcolm in the Middle and The
Amanda Show, working with stars like Adam Sandler
and Shaq. But what God's done with her life since
then? It's even more powerful. She's gone from
red carpets to rescue work, ministering to at
-risk youth, women coming out of trafficking,
and nations desperate for hope. She's preached
on military bases, in schools, and even at the
United Nations. And with a bachelor's in theology
from Eternity Bible College, she carries both
fire and foundation in everything she does. Lisa,
I'm so honored you're here. I believe God has
a word for someone listening today. Would you
start us off with prayer? Absolutely. Lord God,
I just thank you so much for everybody that is
listening to this podcast today. I thank you
that you are pointing out to their hearts that
they are seen, that they are heard, that they
are not a number. that they are not missing out
and that you have good things for their lives.
God, I thank you that your Holy Spirit is just
impressing this on the hearts of everybody listening
right now. I thank you that you would speak through
us today and that you would bring a new word
to all the listeners. In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
Lisa, I know the Holy Spirit prompted this conversation,
and I've learned that when He moves, it's always
for a reason. So what has He been stirring in
your spirit lately that you feel led to share
with us today? Two years ago now, I spent about
almost a year, not bedridden in the sense that
I couldn't get up at all, but I had just extreme
adrenal fatigue to where I just couldn't function.
I couldn't do anything besides sleep. And during
that time, you just feel like you're praying
all the time and like God's not hearing you.
Why aren't you getting healed? What's going on?
And you can feel very overlooked. I just noticed
that so much around me even over the last couple
weeks of just people feeling like they're being
treated like a number like whether it's with
job opportunities of people getting let go for
no reason or with relationships where they feel
like you know the person was actually seeing
five other people and they meant nothing and
or even in my past job opportunities with auditions
you'd show up and you'd see 50 girls that look
just like you and it's just this this overarching
feeling that the world presents a case that we
are just a number. We don't mean anything, that
we're not valuable. And the thing that God has
been placing on my heart is that He knows every
hair on our heads, that we are the most valuable
thing to Him that we were worth dying for. And
so as we talk through today, I want everybody
listening to just kind of keep that in the back
of their head, that that is the main takeaway
I want you to get today, is that you are not
nothing. You have god has a plan for your life
and he sees you that's a good word right there
so you've had quite the journey so you've been
as an actress with lots of people around you
take us through your journey like how did you
get to know god and like how did he show up in
your life throughout those years because you're
in california it's another world out there from
the east it is interesting yes it is So I did
grow up in the church. My parents are very strong
believers and demonstrated an amazing faith.
But as just like anybody else, when I was a kid,
you know, it's you don't really get it. It's
kind of praying to walls. It's like, oh, we do
this because mom does this and I go to church
because dad goes to church. But then I ended
up when I was about 10, it happened for me pretty
young. I went to Hume Lake Christian camp. And
I remember realizing that there was still something
different. about my parents' faith versus mine,
and I remember getting on my knees and saying,
God, I don't know what that difference is, and
I don't know what I'm missing here, but I will
do whatever you tell me. I just want to know
more, and I will follow you. And it wasn't instant.
It wasn't like the next day. Oh, I like my eyes
were open. It was over the course of the next
two weeks where my conscience kicked in for the
first time. Because as a kid, I was actually
a little like liar, those types of things. And
I remember telling a lie right like a couple
of days after I'm like, oh, I don't that doesn't
feel good. And I've never I had never had that
sensation before of having a conscience of like,
oh, like, I started to hear the Holy Spirit talking
to me. I was like, OK, that's interesting. How
long did it take you to realize that was the
Holy Spirit speaking to you and your spirit?
A couple of weeks. It was pretty quick. Like,
I don't know that I had the term on it that that
was the Holy Spirit. I just knew that that wasn't
my voice. You know. Yeah. OK. And so over the
course of, like I said, a couple of weeks, it
started to turn into, OK, now when I pray, I
actually feel like I'm talking to a person. And
when I am living my life, I'm experiencing something
else with me. And so about probably a year after,
I don't know, it's pretty, pretty soon after
that, I got very enthralled with learning as
much as I could. I started reading books, you
know, I started with the famous ones like Case
for Christ, Evidence that Demands a Verdict,
and really had a passion pretty young of wanting
other people to know God because to me it was
such an amazing... experience and it was to me
like the most important thing in life and even
as a kid it registered to me that if there's
a God that's gonna radically change how I live
my life because if it just ends at the end of
this that's gonna be I'm gonna make completely
different decisions than if at the end of this
I'm going to stand before God and give an account
for my life Mm -hmm. So that was the basics and
then obviously throughout life you have different
ebbs and flows of the relationship getting stronger
and the end the relationship getting tested But
that was the introduction to when I first met
him Wow, so when you were in Hollywood and As
a Christian since you were saved at 10 Did you
notice that there was like a shift of people
like a certain set of people that didn't follow
God that were? Don't want to say influenced but
but influenced by other entities. Like did you
could you send something? As a younger kid, I
didn't necessarily sense the entity portion,
but I sensed the The difference I should say
I sense the lack of the Holy Spirit So it wasn't
so much I'm like, oh that guy's demon possessed
but like he does not have the Holy Spirit and
And yeah, I didn't touch on that part yet So
around 10 is also when I started acting and I
got my first show on Malcolm in the middle and
we decided to move from Fresno up to Thousand
Oaks, which is close to LA. And so my life became
auditions and dancing and singing and kind of
being in that world. And it was difficult in
some regards to that. Today, I love the church.
I see things much more clearly, but I definitely
at certain times was very judged because, you
know, there's a lot of people that think, oh,
if you even Like you shouldn't even be listening
to music let alone participating in it, you know
or like secular music and so to me I had a very
clear vision from when I was young that I wanted
to use the arts as a platform for evangelism
and so I never felt overly influenced by the
Environments that I was in I felt like I was
called there to be the influencer and so to me
that part was difficult because I'm like hey,
I was on a set yesterday and and this wasn't
necessarily when I was 10, but closer, you know,
in my early teens, was like, I had so many amazing
conversations and two people on that set received
the Lord and those two people were very influential.
And then I'd go to a Bible study and they'd be
like, why were you there? And I'm like, well,
you know, Jesus, that was sinners too. We're
not called to just be a sterile. And so, and
I understood the dangers and needing to keep
my eyes open. I was there with a mission. and
one that I felt very called to. So for the most
part, it wasn't that big of an issue. The times
that it did become an issue is when something
was dangled in front of my face that I really
wanted. That was just a little bit across the
line, you know, where it was like, oh, you've
been, you know, you haven't gotten a job in two
years and you finally got our getting this final
callback for this big movie with this big star.
It's what you've always wanted. Oh, but there's
just like this one little like, you know, topless
scene. You know, you're like, oh, OK, I can't
do that. And so when it was super over the line
in that regard, it was a no brainer. But when
it was like just pushing it a little bit like,
oh, you know, I can't give a great example, but
you know, where it's not like completely over
the line, but definitely would make you feel
like if Jesus was watching, he would not be OK
with this. Those were the situations that were
rough because. Most of the time, I would make
the right decisions, but it would cause a little
bit of bitterness because I would think, oh,
if I just didn't have to live up to these standards
or these rules, I could go so much further. I
could do all these things. And then as I got
older, I realized, wow, that is not the case.
That you're going further by listening. 100 %
further by listening. I've mentioned this in
a recent video that If you do something outside
of the will of God, that is the real FOMO, because
you will never experience or you'll always wonder,
what is it that God had for me that year? Because,
you know, clearly you're not going to experience
the will of God if you're stepping outside of
it. So and what makes you think that your idea
for your life is better than what he had for
you or that that little Opportunity that you
thought was so great is better than the opportunity
that he had planned for that time in time in
your life So it as I got older and I started
to see the outcomes of some of these what I thought
were small bad decisions I realized wow I was
saved and I trust God so much more with my life
and there's no bitterness when I think an opportunity
is getting passed up because I know that I Had
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x39 When did you start transitioning? more out
of the Hollywood scene and into doing things
like USO shows or speaking at the UN. How do
you go from one to the other? So there was a
period around college where I kind of hit that.
So in my head, I had always thought like, oh,
I'm going to do a show and then use that as a
platform to speak on in my faith. And then it
wasn't happening the way that I thought and I
felt like my fate was always in other people's
hands. You know, you go to auditions like, do
you like me? It's like you have no control. No
matter how good you are, there could always be
somebody else better. And so I kind of got it
in my head. I'm like, how? OK, if I know this
sounds a little morbid, but I'm like, what if
I died in a year and I'm just sitting around
waiting? I never talked about God very much because
I was waiting until the big platform opened.
How can I use what's in my hand right now? to
do what God has called me to do. And I'm like,
OK, well, I love to perform. There's got to be
things more locally where I can use my gifts
in some way and still speak about the Lord. And
there was a whole series of events that I won't
get into yet that we were working with a challenge
program. There was a big event that we did. We
had to promote it. We ended up going into the
schools. to do some anti -bullying campaigns
mainly to like invite people to this big event
and I loved it and so we kind of started putting
our focus there and I had met another girl that
had very similar passions at the time and we
kind of worked together and started doing a lot
more speaking in schools and fairs and events
and it kind of took off from there. What was
your favorite part when you were sharing and
going to different shows and different acting
gigs? Whatever they call them. Hearing people's
stories. I obviously love the arts in general.
I love to dance. I will dance in my bedroom by
myself. But in terms of the whole experience.
There's just unique opportunities. When you share
something from stage, people will come up to
you after and tell you things that they've never
told anybody. Because you're kind of safe, that
you kind of are a stranger in the sense that
they know they're not going to see you again,
so why not spill? And they've heard your story,
so they know you've been through something similar.
And just getting the opportunity to speak into
their lives during those hard moments is special.
I know you're sharing stuff on social medias.
And what got you started in that? when you're
not traveling, you do that? So two separate things.
One, my day job for actually making money is
I'm in digital marketing. So I run Facebook ads,
Google ads, those type of things. So it was very
in my wheelhouse. I kind of it was just one of
those dumb moments where I'm like, I'm doing
this for everybody else. Why am I not doing this
for the Lord? If I if I can market a product
and know how to try to come up with messaging.
In that regards, why am I not putting that same
amount of effort into messaging the Lord? And
as mentioned I had gone through the period where
I really couldn't get out of bed And so I needed
stuff that did not require as much energy So
what helped you get out of bed out of that season
your funk Yeah, honestly, it was just time. I
basically had adrenal My adrenals were not working
and they produce all of your energy chemicals.
And so when those stopped functioning, you just
feel like you can't stay awake. And it just took
time for it to heal. And I've had lots of stories
in my life where I've seen miraculous healings
to the point where like, and I'll tell the story
in the future, but prayed over somebody who was
completely brain dead and saw him talk again.
So I've seen these miracles and that's why you
know I touched on in the beginning there was
some frustration because I was like Man, I'm
praying every day for healing and I'm not getting
my little miraculous healing. What's going on
here? It's not fair. You're healing other people
and not me. What is this? Yeah, and I literally
like opened my Bible and it brought it to the
story and I'm gonna quote it wrong right now
I believe it was it was one of the patriarchs.
It was Moses or Abraham who was Think was Abraham
but the one that his wife wanted a son. He had
been promised a son And then he didn't get to
lose 90. That's Abraham, right? Yes Okay Yes,
exactly and He had gone through a similar experience
where I noticed that he was praying over all
these other women who were getting pregnant and
having kids and Yet he was not and I felt like
wow, that's that's how I am. He must have felt
the same way And then I realized, you know, his
what the Lord gave him after that period of waiting
was so much bigger than the other miracles that
he was watching happen. And so it really shifted
my focus to if God loves me more than I love
myself and. I believe he's going to create something
good that is greater in goodness than my pain
is in pain, meaning. He wouldn't do this unless
he thought it was worth it and there was a purpose
big enough for it And so I found the joy in I'm
excited to see what God is gonna do with this
Because I know that if he loves me he was willing
to die for me So he's not apathetic even though
I wanted to believe that during the year. I finally
realized like that can't Be the case. That's
not his character Satan is lying to me. Yes,
and so Pretty recently actually just a couple
months ago I feel like I did kind of get a small
miraculous healing in that I had a very big jump
in Improvement and I feel very much back to normal
because up until a Couple months ago. I was better
Like I was obviously up moving around doing work
and all that stuff, but I still felt not myself
fully myself I'd like I didn't have all my energy
back and so it was very recent that I felt like
oh which has happened and There was like three
prayers answered that week And it was just kind
of one of those like final, definitely felt God's
hand in my life. But I will say for that entire
year I prayed and I didn't get that miracle.
And so I think it is important to recognize that
we always should have the highest expectations
going into prayer, but we should know that those
high expectations don't always look exactly how
we think that they should. And so and that it
doesn't mean that God's not listening or he doesn't
care or that he's apathetic. It means he has
something bigger. And since for this one, this
was such a recent thing, I don't know what God's
going to do with it yet. But I do know for sure
that he has a plan for it. And I do know for
sure he was teaching me a lot during that time
and definitely changing me significantly. Honestly,
sometimes he just needs to take the wind out
of her sails to sit still long enough to learn.
Absolutely. Yep. And, you know, there's certain
things that you can only learn through certain
lessons. For example, I was always under the
impression that I was running out of time. And
that was one of the big, my big points of anger
during that time was I'm like, I'm already 39
years at the time of 37, you know, but I'm 39
now I'm in my late thirties. I have all these
dreams that you've placed on my heart. And I
feel so behind. I feel like I'm running out of
time for the types of things that you've called
me to do. And you're slowing me down. What is
this? And during that time is when he really
impressed on my heart. You are not running out
of time. Nothing is behind schedule. Nothing
is too late because we are eternal beings. We
are going to live for ever for eternity. And
somehow in our flesh we keep thinking that 80
years is it? You know, it's like we've got 80
years and it's over and in my case It's like,
you know, I've got probably ten years of the
type of energy. I need to do these goals and
that's over God gave Abraham a kid at 90 which
was way past When the world says those it's time
for those types of dreams. Oh, yeah That was
first we live Forever so we there is no there's
no running out of time time is a tracker I don't
want to say it's an illusion because it does
it means something here, but it there is no end
to our clock and that was When I finally really
got that in my bones It changed the piece that
I walk with because I feel like I was always
with that kind of angst of like gotta get there
Why am I so behind I'm missing out and now I
feel like I'm coming from such a calmer place
Being able to really recognize that hey, whatever
God has for my day. That's what I want Which
we just talked about but also I'm not running
out of time Right. I mean your flesh is yeah,
right and that's why you feel the way you feel
because it knows it's not coming with you Mm
-hmm. And so you can go on full -on panic mode
and your flesh is having panic mode But if your
spirit is willing to listen to the voice of the
Lord You'll come to the revelation that you came
to which is I have infinite time Right. Exactly.
You got a timer body, but I don't. You panic
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about you guys? Have you felt the Lord teaching
you anything recently? Well, one of the things
in the last year, if I feel stressed about not
having enough time, I tell myself, I have enough
time to do everything I want to do. God has given
me enough time to do everything I want to do.
And you know what? It calms me down and I just
take it in. and I just do what I got to do and
you know what I actually do have enough time
to do what I want to do and it's really cool
and then I'm part of this community called Kingdom
Seekers and Dan McCollum was talking about time
and bending time and making it our you know we're
at the master of time and uh he was saying that
God always gives me enough time to do what I
need to do and God has given you are at the right
age to do everything right now you are not too
late He has you exactly where you need to be.
And he took everything into account that you
don't even know about, you know, your goofiness,
the bad mistakes you might make. He's got it
all into account. You're not bigger than him
and you have enough time to do what he wants
you to do. Amen. I completely agree. Yeah. And
as for me, you know, a while back, I used to
work in oil and gas and the industry took a big
hit in our state. And, you know, half a million
people lost their job, me included, and I kept
trying to find work in the same kind of field.
And I couldn't. And so we were unemployed for
27 and a half months. And at the time, Shelly
was not working. It was just me as a sole provider
because they paid enough. And that's when I told
you that, you know, sometimes God takes the wind
out of our sails so that we have time to spend
with Him. Yeah, I hated working with the guys
I worked with because they were so secular and
they would just wanted to talk about girls and
drinking and things that I cared nothing about.
I mean, I care about girls, but not like the
way they cared about them. Right. It was a wholly
different care. And but I didn't want to leave
because I was making such good money. And so,
you know, God kind of kicked the stool out from
underneath my feet. And I got so close to him
in those 27 and a half months. I mean, I did
a 40 day fast shortly after that started, like
no food fast. I quit smoking, quit pornography.
There was changes that drastically happened.
I heard from him more. When people say that,
you know, God doesn't talk, I'm like, yes, he
does. You know, I hear him all the time. Does
he heal? Absolutely. Like we laid hands on my
wife and healed her of 17 years of chronic neck
pain. When I say my son and I was three at the
time and he's just mommy be healed. We're like,
let's do this. And, uh, and so, you know, together
we've, we've learned a lot about getting close
to the Lord, especially if all the distractions
are out of the way. Yes. It's hard right because
I remember during that time I I used to tell
the Lord to him like I promise if you get me
Well, I will still spend all this time with you
and it's like the second things start going Well,
it's like two weeks have passed and like oh I
didn't pray because I was so busy so that I feel
like that's the new challenge in my life is Now
that things are moving back at normal pace. How
do I not lose that intimacy and making sure that
I set up? my life in such a way that that is
still at the center because as much as I feel
like time was wasted when I was Not able to be
quote -unquote productive in the world sense.
I feel like you could lose and again I Stick
to what I said before you can't lose time, but
in this scenario you can lose more time in that
regard When you do have energy and you can go
after things because you're no longer connected
to the Holy spirit or the vine. And so now you
really are just wasting time. So yeah. Yeah.
Back when I was, I think a lot of people, when
they're younger and in their journey, they don't
realize that what the thing was missing was the
relationship with Jesus. And once you build that
intimacy, it's like, you can't go back. Once
you know, you know, and there's nothing else
like it. And he makes that. John Gordon has this
saying that he There's a hole in you h o le and
then Jesus is the one that makes it w h o le
hole So I love that, you know, you're chasing
worldly things when you're well at least me I
was chasing worldly things when I was younger
before I met Josh. I was going to the bar shooting
pool Drinking and doing a lot of crazy drugs
But you know what it God that relationship just
changed me and sanctified me and I just wanted
to do those things less So it's that relationship
that makes you whole. And it's you're like, you're
like, oh, it was Jesus I needed to be chasing
Matthew six thirty three. But first he can and
his righteousness and all these things will be
added to you. So absolutely. Yeah. I mean, when
I met my wife, I don't know why I stuck around
because she had so many red flags. It was like
a carnival. Honestly, there was nothing desirable
about her through her traits. But I couldn't
shake a familiarity I had with her like I just
like I like I never forget a face And I had that
feeling like I was trying to remember who she
was for like a year Now we got married shortly
after like six months into it. Right? It was
it was quick No, we got married a year later.
Well, I mean we knew we're gonna get married.
We got engaged a month into it She knows more
about it than I do. I was barely there. I was
still counting the red flags. I mean, I didn't
like how she did her makeup. She did like weird
blue eyeshadow. I didn't like that. I didn't
like anything about it. And I would just tell
her things like, I don't like that. And she would
stop it. And then I would say things I don't
like when you do that. And she would stop it.
I'm like, this is crazy. I've never met a woman
that was so responsive to me saying something
as simple as, I don't care for that. I never
said, don't do this. I just said, I don't like
it. And she just stopped. And I didn't realize
until later how the Holy Spirit was working on
her at the same time. You know, you write down
to us like tithing. I remember I was thinking
about tithing for the first time. I was like,
man, I don't know how I'm going to tell her this
because this is about money. And you know, you
know, stereotypically, she's a woman. How is
she going to want to give up money? You know,
I'm the only one working and I'm going to bring
up this thing. So I came home from work. I'm
like, hey, I really think we should tithe. And
I'm like waiting to hear the argument. And she's
like, OK. Like like it was nothing like what
like God had already worked on her heart and
she like for like a week or something Before
I even brought it up. Oh Wow It is so crazy how
the Holy Spirit does that there's so many times
where he'll be putting something on my heart
and There's like five other people in my life
who he's putting on their hearts as well And
it just reconfirms you're like, yeah. Oh, so
I'm not crazy like no matter how many times I
see miracles There's always that little voice
in your head. They're like Are you sure you didn't
over blow that in your head? Are you sure you're
not crazy? And this is just something like you're
experiencing in your own mind. And then you're
like, okay, like I didn't control all those people.
There's definitely something going on here. This
is insane. Right. Well, I mean, when there's
physical change. It's hard to deny it. I've never
seen a limb regrown, but I don't believe it's
out in the realm of impossibility. I've seen
it in videos where the leg gets longer. But our
son had OCD. I've seen his behavior. I've seen
how he acted. I've seen the torture he went through
with OCD. And we prayed for him and he is OCD
free and it's been three years now. He's not
he doesn't have any other like it's it's gone
gone Right. And so, you know if somebody to tell
me well, there's no evidence. I'm like, there's
plenty of evidence You just need to look. Yeah,
you know if we had recorded how he was and I
think we do have some Recordings of how he used
to behave when he'd have a meltdown if something
didn't go the right way It was nuts that he just
doesn't do anymore Wow Yeah, we've seen a lot
I'm I'll share this about myself, too I know
I'm not supposed to be interviewing you but I
want to know and I know The listeners want to
know what was a time that you doubted God or
felt far from him and what brought you back You
know, that's That's that kind of like a daily
thing, right? So we're supposed to deny ourselves
daily and pick up our cross And so I can have
a hard week where I'm like super sick and I've
seen my son healed I've seen my wife healed and
I'm not and I get to suffer through sickness.
I get to suffer through pain I get to suffer
through so many things. I mean constantly I have
yet to receive one miraculous healing that has
stuck and I'm hopeful I'm hopeful but God is
really impressed on me that that I was and even
through a prophetic song that I was literally
created to suffer. And so it gives me hope knowing
that he's not far from me in that, that this
is his purpose for me. That if I can suffer so
someone else does not, then what better thing
to do for God? Right? And this is something tangible
I can do because I do have ADHD and I do forget
things quickly. And I do have object permanence,
right? And I don't like to go out and talk to
people. So if I can suffer for them, I'm doing
exactly the God's will for me, for them. And
so I look at that in a different perspective
is how I cope with it, is I try to look at that
I am doing what God wants me to do. When he's
farthest from me or so, I feel that he is I take
my I have a liberal arts degree as well I did
a lot of drawing and such and so I take that
that idea perspective in mind and remember that
oftentimes artists have to stand back from their
work to see the whole picture and the reason
is because you're too close and so when I think
that I can't feel God is because he is completely
and utterly smothering me and I can't see him
because all I see is him Like he's just too close
I want to define something for the listener's
sake. And you correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm
pretty sure we're on the same page here. It's
not that, I don't think that God ever desires
us to suffer in the spiritual sense, but obviously
there is suffering that... he's placed in our
lives in the physical sense. And it's that verse
of, though outwardly I'm being persecuted day
by day, inwardly I'm being renewed. So I feel
like it's more of a picture of him teaching us
or wanting us to be able to learn how to feel
the fruits of the spirit, joy and peace through
all of the external circumstances of, yes, those
are suffering. So it's not that the suffering
goes away. Those are things that we... It's real.
It's being experienced in our flesh. But I think
his desire for us is to still experience the
Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit through
that. Correct. 90 % of the time, I would say
I'm content and full of joy, even in the suffering.
And so, that's the proof in that pudding. We
are human, so there's only so much that we can
control our minds here. Right, well, I think
90 % is pretty good. We don't stub our toe and
go, oh, that felt great. Right, but if something
good happens, I can still be wincing and be like,
well, that's pretty cool. Right. I feel like
it's that picture of Paul, too, where when he's
handcuffed in prison, it's not that the handcuffs
didn't hurt. It's that his mind was so focused
on heaven and on eternal things that he was still
able to praise and experience joy through the
pain. So it's not that we're saying you're not
supposed to suffer. You're not supposed to pain.
No, you really will feel those things. But it's
that developing that connection with the Holy
Spirit to be able to also Experience the joy
through it. Absolutely. I mean he obviously built
me tough to take it If you're gonna be done you
gotta be tough, right? So here we are right and
gives you that grace on a daily basis to be able
to Withstand whatever he knows is coming your
way that day. Mm -hmm Yeah, and just the knowledge
of it helps get me through sometimes knowing
that this is going to hurt, but it's OK. Right.
And you know, my wife does not understand that
because she doesn't she doesn't have time for
that most of the time. That's usually what she
prays. We are opposites. Like, Lord, I don't
have time for that. Like if sickness is coming
upon my house, I don't have time for that. I
rebuke that in Jesus name. And then Josh is the
only one who gets sick because I can't handle
it. And I just plow through whatever like like
a bison. She's more like a butterfly and I'm
like a buffalo. You know, like the slightest
wind change or temperature change affects her
completely. But it could be a 50 mile an hour
wind and I could get hit with a flying stop sign
and I'm like, not even phased. Oh, that's too
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know i'm putting on this conference god's goodness
kingdom conference it's going to be september
5th and 6th and only i'm only doing it because
god said to do it because josh is like why would
we do that and i'm like i don't know god told
me to because last year we did a meet and greet
for the first year guests and he's like we're
not going to do this every year i'm like i don't
know and now it's a conference watch out what
you say but like i don't have a venue yet And
you know what? I'm like, well, if God wanted
it to happen, He is our Jehovah Jireh, our provision,
you know, it's always there, whether it's mailbox
money or whatever. So like, I don't have a venue
yet, but I have volunteers. I got, we're going
to do Altered Live. So it's going to be, you
know, online and in person. We're going to have
the authors from the guests, past guests, come
and do tables, you know, if they want to sign
books or whatever, they'll be there. I just need
a place to do it. And, you know, normally somebody
might get worried at this point because we're
here, you know. In July and still can't promote
the venue But God has always provided before
so he's going to deliver if he wants this thing
to happen If not, like I don't have a you know,
I I have a story for you Because you said the
word I don't have a venue and it just brought
back the memories so I completely agree that
when God places something on your heart, he's
going to see it through, but or and also it doesn't
always look exactly how you originally thought.
So you remember I said, you know how the we started
speaking in schools. So here's the background
story. We're going to put on a big charity event
and Kelly Clarkson was going to come perform
and we were raising money for this challenge
program and it was supposed to be this big event.
I was so excited because I felt like wow, this
is really going to be like a breakthrough moment
where because I was going to perform and speak
at it as well. I'm going to like get to live
my dreams that I'm helping put on this thing
that's going to help so many kids. And at the
last moment, the well, so Kelly Clarkson was
one of three people that we had like kind of
had like conversations with and then fell out.
And so the like the third person at this point
fell. fell through and we're like what is going
on and when the third person fell through it
was like right before the date where we had to
pay the venue so we we didn't have the funds
to get the venue and so we're like what do we
do like there's i'm like in my home like god
we'd already told all of these kids that we're
raising money for them we can't just like how
could it be your will that we say we're gonna
do we're gonna help them and then we don't help
them that just doesn't make sense to me so we
we came up with this idea we're like you know
what we're going to start promoting it from the
ground up instead of like just having money to
market it from the top down, if you will. And
so we're like, well, we got to go into the schools
and try to promote it so that people will come
and that we can start getting the word out because
we figured, you know, once you get more promotion
and excitement around things, more names will
latch on. And so we went into the first school
and we were planning on just going in and kind
of like performing and talking about the Event
and stuff and they were like, oh, we don't let
people just like come in and perform We only
do assemblies if there's like a topic like if
you're coming in for anti -bullying or these
types of things. They were like You know I had
something so for real real story. I was very
bullied when I was in sixth grade Severely and
so like I have experience with that. I could
definitely speak on this but in the beginning
that was not the intention it was just the intention
of like this big event that we had planned. So
we went in and we, it was amazing. And we experienced
so much transformation. And after about like
five of these, I remember sitting down and going
like, well, what are we going to do? Like, are
we going to keep going? Because we don't even
know if the event's going to happen now. And
we're like, you know, we're not stopping this
tour until the event happens. And 200 shows later.
So guess what? Unfortunately, the event didn't
happen. We never raised, we never got the big
celebrity. We never raised the money, but that
commitment that we made to keep going until we
did caused 200 micro events that change kids'
lives all over the nation. So again, in my mind
for the longest time, I was like, it failed.
God didn't come through. But once we got about
halfway through the tour, I'm like, oh, I see.
That didn't fail at all. This was the plan all
along. This is what we were meant to do. Not
just one big off event. We were meant to do many.
And still for you and anybody listening, the
no's are not denials and it doesn't mean that
you didn't hear the Holy Spirit. I always think
of Paul when he was writing one of the books
and he thought he was going, was it Spain, I
think, or he had an ultimate destination that
he wanted to go to after Rome. He was so convinced
the Holy Spirit was telling him to go there and
he ends up dying in Rome He didn't make it but
it wasn't that he misunderstood the Holy Spirit
the Holy Spirit had put that on his heart because
that's the vision he needed to be able to take
this the correct steps in Rome that the Holy
Spirit needed him to take so the Holy Spirit
is speaking to you even when you Don't see it
Come to fruition the way that you thought that
it should By the way, I'm not speaking that over
you. Your event is going to happen. I'm speaking
to the listeners here. I was cool with it. I'm
just kidding. Obviously, I want my wife to be
exceedingly abundantly happy with what she can
do for God and the kingdom. However, that you
say, so you work as digital media. What do you
do? Like, because I don't watch your YouTube
videos. I apologize. I'm disgusted with myself.
So what is it? What is it you do to promote Jesus
or holistically? Holy things in your life. Like
what is it? What is it? What messages do you
like to bring? What platforms do you like to
use? Like what is it you do? Like fill me in.
Honestly, I speak on kind of what we're doing
here. Whatever the Holy Spirit puts on my heart
and I use whatever means I have in front of,
in my hands at that moment. So if it's YouTube,
Facebook, Instagram, and the social media is
wonderful. If there's times to speak in person
or conferences that come up, I love those as
well. But to me, it isn't so much about the platform
or the like one central message. It's about how
do I reach people and get them to comprehend
the greatness and goodness. of our Father and
how much He can change people's lives. Because
I feel like there's been a lot of emphasis on
the stick in the past in terms of, you know,
when we talk about things that drive people to
change, there's the carrot and the stick. There's
what you're looking forward to and then what
you want to avoid. And I feel like a lot of time
in the church has been spent on what we want
to avoid, which by all means we want to avoid
those things, right? Nobody wants to face the
consequences of bad decisions. But at the same
time, I think we miss out on also instilling
in people and helping them to recognize the joy
and what is actually possible for the life when
they are aligned with and living with within
the will of the creator. The one that made them
and placed all those gifts in their lives that
he really has a plan for them and if they want
I feel like all of us have this deep yearning
for meaning and to be a part of something bigger
than ourselves and That he designed us that way
because we are supposed to be part of something
bigger He gave us individual gifts to be woven
into this big tapestry and when we are not in
connection with God or with our father We might
not get to experience that again. That sounds
like the stick, but I'm saying that the focus
is on What could our lives look like with him?
And that is what I really want people to understand
and envision and seek after because I think that
is life. That is the ultimate eternal life right
there. That's awesome. It reminds me of this
multi. I have a multimillion dollar mentor. Renita
Brennan and we just had this this training on
Sunday and she talked about the vision you you
know in Habakkuk you make the vision you make
it plain and you go through all the details so
we listed a vision for what we want to see our
life look like now or a year from now and she
our assignment was to think about that list and
actually sit and meditate and feel how you would
feel imagine how you would feel when that's fulfilled
and that actually brings it in and it's biblical
and it was just really cool because there was
a the this book calling things that are not and
so it just like the bible says you speak what
you want to see and then when you feel it it
just kind of Brings it in and so that's what
we've been working on Well, and it's so interesting
because obviously in my work there is New age
and manifestation and all those things are really
big So in my mind for a long time, I was like,
oh wait, that's not Christian We have to stay
away from that. But then once I actually started
listening harder. I'm like the only difference
here is the source and but the source makes all
of the difference because really what they're
saying is completely biblical. They're just removing
God from it. If you put God back in it, what
they're saying is completely biblical. There's
a lot of talk about, it's not just about like
saying a mantra, but exactly what you were talking
about when you focus on that future vision and
feel that experience, those future emotions now.
It radically changes your experience of life,
right? Because whatever you're living in in your
head is what you're experiencing. And every day
we choose, what are we going to live in our head?
Do we want to pull up a bad memory from the past,
something that we said that was wrong? What are
we going to live in? And, you know, in more of
the New Age philosophy, it's so like, just imagine
what you personally want and by your own power,
you will manifest it. Whereas as believers, the
first part is true, meaning. That's absolutely
what Paul calls us to. He says, set your mind
on things above. We are not supposed to be setting
our minds on all of the painful things of the
past or all of the worries of the future. We're
to be setting our minds on him and the vision
and the promises that he has for our life. And
those are things we're supposed to be meditating
on and feeling. The difference is we are trusting
in the power of God to bring those things to
pass instead of our own power. And in a sense,
though, God, we do remember that the Holy Spirit
lives in us. So what we say and what we focus
on matters as well. But I just thought it was
such a it's so fascinating when you look into
other religions and other cultures and you realize
there's always a sprinkle of truth. It's that
the enemy uses that one percent to twist it and
take the power, the real power out of it. But
you will see Biblical truths stolen all over
the place and sometimes honestly They do a better
job of explaining them because I felt like you
know, sometimes in New Age they explain Answered
prayer aka manifestation and so forth better
than some believers explain it and in the sense
of how do you experience those emotions now and
Yeah, so it's been a fascinating change in my
thinking over the last couple years as I've been
evaluating those types of things. Yeah, I mean
as a Christian, I mean the whole purpose, not
the whole purpose, but a large purpose of reading
the Bible is so that we can discern when things
don't align. So when that person does say 95
% of the truth, with sprinkled in 5 % of not
the truth, as a Christian, and you're not looking
into it, you're not discerning, and you're not
reading your Bible, you're gonna believe this
person as the 100 % true. Because he's not putting
it out there as 50 -50. He's putting it out there
as almost 100%. So if I baked you a pie that
was 95 % good, but 5 % made with dog feces that
I got out of my yard, but I didn't tell you about
it. You would probably eat this pie like it was
nothing but if I told you it had in it you wouldn't
even try to taste it You wouldn't go anywhere
near it, right? And so there's a there's that's
it's very important to know your Bible. It's
very important to Listen to the Holy Spirit's
guiding in your life It's very important that
if you feel something rubbing against your soul
to examine why it's rubbing against your soul
and to add to that and looking at the fruit of
things because Unfortunately, I feel like so
right now we're talking about, you know Larger
mistakes in doctrine within like totally other
religions But there's also a lot of micro teachings
that I feel have infiltrated the church itself
It sounds right but then you look at the fruit
of what it produces and when you see Whether
it's in your life or somebody around you where
they're constantly in panic. They're constantly
in shame They're constantly depressed I'm not
talking about like clinical depression just like
of that type of because of that thing There's
a problem because we're supposed to know a teaching
by its fruit And so if it's not producing the
fruit of the spirit, we should question. What
is it here? That's being tweaked What is it that
might not quite be in line with what God was
really saying here? Because the outcome of God's
Word is not panic You know what I mean? Correct.
Absolutely 100 % agree with that You know, it's
very, very insightful on that. Thank you for
revealing that truth for us. We also just want
to thank you so much for being on our show today,
taking the time out for us, exposing, you know,
some of your vulnerabilities, some of the problems,
you know, with not being able to do anything
with adrenal problems. It takes a lot of courage
to speak up about some of our frailties. It takes
a lot of courage, especially in today's day and
age, to speak for God. to a point where we're
unashamed of the Bible. And I just want to thank
you for your courage. I want to thank you for
your strength. I want to thank you for just what
you've done overcoming the things that you've
overcome, you know, from Hollywood to unlearned
things. You know, you just you've come a long
way from where you were to where you are now.
And I just know that you're going to go further,
especially since you're putting him first. I
really appreciate that. Thank you so much. And
it's been, it's been such a pleasure and it's
been a pleasure getting to know you guys as well.
I'm excited to see what the future brings. Thank
you. We went a lot of different places, but one
last place, would you leave our listeners with
your favorite Bible verse? So really the simple
set your mind on things above where Christ is
seated at the right hand of God has changed my
life because I feel like there's just so much
anxiety and depression and people not experiencing
the fruit of the Spirit going on today. And that
is the verse that can change that. Because when
we set our minds on the love of God, the fact
that we are going to be here for all of eternity,
that our time's not running out, that God is
in control, meaning we're not missing out on
anything, it radically changes our experience
of this life. Thank you for that, Lisa. I really
appreciate you and your time. And this is a fun
episode and I hope everyone is blessed listening
to it. Please pass it along to somebody and they
can be encouraged as well. And we'll talk to
you next week. All right. Well, thank you so
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