WEBVTT 00:00:00.430 --> 00:00:03.589 If you've ever felt stuck in a painful diagnosis, 00:00:04.009 --> 00:00:06.370 like healing might happen for others, but not 00:00:06.370 --> 00:00:10.390 for you, this episode is for you. Barbara Cicero 00:00:10.390 --> 00:00:13.890 lived with multiple sclerosis for 15 years, but 00:00:13.890 --> 00:00:16.109 her story doesn't stop at the moment of healing. 00:00:16.510 --> 00:00:20.050 It's what happened before, the doubt, the fatigue, 00:00:20.370 --> 00:00:23.449 the faithfulness, and what happened after that 00:00:23.449 --> 00:00:26.250 will speak straight to your spirit. If you've 00:00:26.250 --> 00:00:29.469 been praying, waiting, or wondering if God still 00:00:29.469 --> 00:00:32.689 moves, Stay with us. You're about to find hope. 00:00:35.549 --> 00:00:37.929 Hey there. Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast. 00:00:38.369 --> 00:00:40.890 We are your hosts, Josh and Shelly Hankins, and 00:00:40.890 --> 00:00:43.270 we're here to share real stories of God's power, 00:00:43.829 --> 00:00:46.530 stories of hope, healing, and miracles that will 00:00:46.530 --> 00:00:48.950 strengthen your faith. No matter what you're 00:00:48.950 --> 00:00:51.170 walking through, we want to remind you that God 00:00:51.170 --> 00:00:54.049 is good and he's still moving today. Let's dive 00:00:54.049 --> 00:01:01.630 in. Welcome back to another powerful episode 00:01:01.630 --> 00:01:04.069 of the God's Goodness Podcast. If you've been 00:01:04.069 --> 00:01:06.310 with us for a while, you know this space is filled 00:01:06.310 --> 00:01:09.290 with real stories of faith, healing, and the 00:01:09.290 --> 00:01:12.370 undeniable goodness of God. Today's guest is 00:01:12.370 --> 00:01:15.250 someone I met at what I can only describe as 00:01:15.250 --> 00:01:18.030 a divinely orchestrated birthday party for two 00:01:18.030 --> 00:01:20.269 of our beloved returning guests, Wendy Lawson 00:01:20.269 --> 00:01:22.969 and Karen Robinson. Fun fact, they shared the 00:01:22.969 --> 00:01:25.010 same birthday and each have been on the podcast 00:01:25.010 --> 00:01:28.079 twice. While we were celebrating, I overheard 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:30.459 a testimony that literally made me pause mid 00:01:30.459 --> 00:01:33.420 -conversation. That's when I met Barbara Cicero. 00:01:33.859 --> 00:01:36.659 Like Wendy, Barbara was diagnosed with multiple 00:01:36.659 --> 00:01:39.879 sclerosis. But her healing journey, while just 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:43.859 as miraculous, unfolded in an entirely different 00:01:43.859 --> 00:01:46.599 way. And I can't wait for you to hear what God 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:49.439 has done in her life. Before we dive in, I've 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.379 asked Barbara to open us in prayer. Barbara, 00:01:52.500 --> 00:01:55.739 would you do this with the honor? Yes. Father, 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:59.540 we just come before you this day. I ask for your 00:01:59.540 --> 00:02:03.560 blessing on this whole episode, Lord Jesus. I 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:07.359 put it in your hands. Let you speak through me 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:10.419 because you know what you did in my body. And 00:02:10.419 --> 00:02:13.860 I just praise you and I thank you. And I just 00:02:13.860 --> 00:02:17.419 ask that you touch anybody that would hear this 00:02:17.419 --> 00:02:22.060 in the name of Jesus. Amen. Amen. Amen. They 00:02:22.060 --> 00:02:24.599 say you can pass on that anointing that you got 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:28.240 onto other people. So may this do that. Yes. 00:02:28.780 --> 00:02:31.560 So where would you like to start this story? 00:02:31.860 --> 00:02:34.439 Because it's got all twists and turns in it. 00:02:34.659 --> 00:02:36.759 Yes, it's got many twists and turns. Do you want 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.599 me to start at the beginning? The very beginning? 00:02:40.219 --> 00:02:42.020 Well, what would make sense? I mean, you can 00:02:42.020 --> 00:02:43.259 do however you want. You can start in the back 00:02:43.259 --> 00:02:44.900 and just kind of like tell the story backwards 00:02:44.900 --> 00:02:48.460 like a Quentin Tarantino movie or you could probably 00:02:48.460 --> 00:02:50.199 make more sense if we just started from the beginning. 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:55.409 From the beginning. It was a normal day. I was 00:02:55.409 --> 00:02:58.530 getting ready for work, and as I'm preparing 00:02:58.530 --> 00:03:03.030 my tea, my husband goes, what's all over the 00:03:03.030 --> 00:03:08.090 floor? And I look down and I says, I don't know, 00:03:08.169 --> 00:03:11.229 it's a puddle. And I reached down and I touched 00:03:11.229 --> 00:03:19.430 my legs and I says, oh, I peed. He says, what's 00:03:19.430 --> 00:03:23.490 wrong? I says, I have no idea, but I think I 00:03:23.490 --> 00:03:26.310 better go see a doctor. I says, this is not normal. 00:03:27.409 --> 00:03:31.229 So I went to the physician and immediately he 00:03:31.229 --> 00:03:34.849 put me into the hospital. In the hospital, I 00:03:34.849 --> 00:03:37.969 laid there for three days as they did tests. 00:03:38.389 --> 00:03:41.469 And it was the weirdest thing. I would get like 00:03:41.469 --> 00:03:45.789 an electrical shock that would start at my head. 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:49.520 and go all the way down my legs, out my feet. 00:03:50.259 --> 00:03:54.139 It was the weirdest sensation I have ever, ever 00:03:54.139 --> 00:03:58.000 imagined. And this happened repeatedly through 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.979 the three days. They sent me for blood work, 00:04:01.060 --> 00:04:06.219 they sent me for an MRI, and then they did a 00:04:06.219 --> 00:04:10.979 spinal tap. And within those three tests, they 00:04:10.979 --> 00:04:15.180 discovered that I had MS, which is multiple sclerosis. 00:04:15.790 --> 00:04:19.889 And from there, they sent me home. Well, the 00:04:19.889 --> 00:04:23.329 next day I went back to work. I was dragging 00:04:23.329 --> 00:04:27.449 my right leg and having a little bit of time 00:04:27.449 --> 00:04:32.370 moving. And I was very, very tired. But my girlfriend 00:04:32.370 --> 00:04:36.189 at work said, ah, my dad can make you a cane, 00:04:36.730 --> 00:04:39.350 which he did. God bless his soul. He's with the 00:04:39.350 --> 00:04:43.949 Lord right now. So thank you so much. But that 00:04:43.949 --> 00:04:47.990 helped me. get in and out of work, back and forth, 00:04:48.350 --> 00:04:52.350 but the fatigue is really what got me down. It 00:04:52.350 --> 00:04:56.290 was very hard. I'd come home from work and I'd 00:04:56.290 --> 00:04:59.129 lay down, wake up the next morning in my clothes. 00:05:00.230 --> 00:05:05.529 So it was a lot of getting used to the fatigue 00:05:05.529 --> 00:05:10.230 in my life at the time. I says, I worked through 00:05:10.230 --> 00:05:14.420 that and eventually just kept going back and 00:05:14.420 --> 00:05:17.899 forth to work. And Wendy was answering phones 00:05:17.899 --> 00:05:20.399 for me at work. And I says, Hey, when can you 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.899 help me today? And she said, yeah. She says, 00:05:22.980 --> 00:05:25.959 what's going on? I says, my right hand doesn't 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:29.980 want to do what I'm telling it to do. I said, 00:05:30.500 --> 00:05:33.980 I'm typing and I typed this whole paragraph out 00:05:33.980 --> 00:05:37.879 and I couldn't read a word. I'm thinking something's 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:42.480 definitely wrong. Took me two weeks to figure 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:47.819 out what was going on in that paragraph. I figured 00:05:47.819 --> 00:05:52.740 it out. My right hand was doing what my left 00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:56.120 hand should have been doing. So every key on 00:05:56.120 --> 00:06:00.939 the keyboard was opposite handed. And I took 00:06:00.939 --> 00:06:04.420 it to my neurologist and he was just amazed. 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:07.720 He couldn't believe that I figured out. what 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.600 the problem was. And he says, well, there's an 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:14.319 understanding for that. Your brain has three 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.560 open lesions. So sometimes when you're telling 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.839 it something to do, it does something totally 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:25.100 different. I says, oh, okay, that makes sense. 00:06:25.500 --> 00:06:28.579 Because I could notice in my everyday life things 00:06:28.579 --> 00:06:33.120 that I was doing wasn't the way I normally did 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:37.699 things. A little backwards. Yeah. So it was an 00:06:37.699 --> 00:06:41.240 interesting thing for him to learn and it helped 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:46.720 him. After that, they put me on Avonex, which 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:51.579 is an injection every Friday, either inner muscular, 00:06:52.060 --> 00:06:57.019 either thighs, hips, arms. I did this for 15 00:06:57.019 --> 00:07:02.149 years. Sounds painful. Oh. It was very expensive 00:07:02.149 --> 00:07:04.970 to begin with, and then my insurance would cover 00:07:04.970 --> 00:07:09.610 it. But it was just something that you just didn't 00:07:09.610 --> 00:07:13.750 want to look forward to every week. And doing 00:07:13.750 --> 00:07:18.230 that every week went from leg to leg, hip to 00:07:18.230 --> 00:07:23.889 hip, arm to arm. And finally, toward the end 00:07:23.889 --> 00:07:28.889 of things, my daughter gave me a shot. It was 00:07:28.889 --> 00:07:32.149 on one Friday. She's sitting on the floor, and 00:07:32.149 --> 00:07:36.569 it had been a painful shot this time. And I'm 00:07:36.569 --> 00:07:40.389 laying over my kitchen counter, and I'm asking 00:07:40.389 --> 00:07:46.709 the Lord, why, Lord, why? And he spoke to my 00:07:46.709 --> 00:07:52.129 spirit, and he says, it is finished. I looked 00:07:52.129 --> 00:07:54.709 at my daughter sitting on the floor, and I says, 00:07:54.850 --> 00:07:57.310 that's it? That's the last shot you're going 00:07:57.310 --> 00:08:00.399 to give me? I'm taking the rest to the doctor 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.040 and give it to somebody who needs it because 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:08.259 God just told me it's done and I'm going to believe 00:08:08.259 --> 00:08:13.480 Him. And that's it. That was the last of the 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:18.399 any anything. No symptoms, no nothing. God had 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:21.860 touched me there in my little kitchen with my 00:08:21.860 --> 00:08:25.100 daughter sitting on the floor. And I am just 00:08:25.100 --> 00:08:28.879 so thankful. He's such an awesome God. How much 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:30.740 were you praying for it? Like, were you praying 00:08:30.740 --> 00:08:33.220 at all for it to be relieved? Oh, boy. For all 00:08:33.220 --> 00:08:37.139 15 years to me? All through those 15 years, Chicana 00:08:37.139 --> 00:08:39.980 Glory was at the church. They prayed for me. 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:44.220 I was laid on the floor for hours. We had another 00:08:44.220 --> 00:08:47.179 speaker that came, same thing, out on the floor 00:08:47.179 --> 00:08:54.500 for hours. We had one speaker where the one wife 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.940 of one of the pastors and I were sitting on the 00:08:57.940 --> 00:09:01.679 steps of the church and the heaviness of the 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.100 Holy Spirit was just there. Oh, I remember. I 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:08.000 said, I tried to get up and walk down the steps 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.480 and I couldn't. I just had to sit down again. 00:09:12.340 --> 00:09:15.659 And I thought, boy, I need to go to the ladies 00:09:15.659 --> 00:09:20.799 room, really bad. So I got up, fell down on my 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:24.179 knees. and I crawled out of the sanctuary. And 00:09:24.179 --> 00:09:27.980 I just praise God. I says, He touched me. I know 00:09:27.980 --> 00:09:32.480 He touched me. He touched me several times. Sometimes 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:37.740 little doubt comes in and it takes away from 00:09:37.740 --> 00:09:41.720 your healing. And I says, No, I know, I know, 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:46.779 I know. God has touched me. Wow, that right there. 00:09:47.289 --> 00:09:50.070 the kind of faith that moves mountains. When 00:09:50.070 --> 00:09:52.769 Barbara made the bold decision to trust God completely, 00:09:53.429 --> 00:09:56.149 everything changed. It's a reminder that while 00:09:56.149 --> 00:09:58.750 God does the healing, we can still honor that 00:09:58.750 --> 00:10:01.789 healing by stewarding our body's wealth. That's 00:10:01.789 --> 00:10:04.470 why we love LiveGood, a wellness company built 00:10:04.470 --> 00:10:07.809 on integrity, pure supplements, and prices that 00:10:07.809 --> 00:10:10.370 actually make sense. If you're ready to live 00:10:10.370 --> 00:10:13.669 well, live simply, and live good, click the link 00:10:13.669 --> 00:10:17.009 in our About section to take a quick tour. Little 00:10:17.009 --> 00:10:19.789 things throughout the 15 years like that would 00:10:19.789 --> 00:10:24.850 happen and I just praise God I says I didn't 00:10:24.850 --> 00:10:28.029 care. I just went to work every day and did my 00:10:28.029 --> 00:10:31.429 thing and It's wonderful to work in a church 00:10:31.429 --> 00:10:34.509 though where people around you can pray for you 00:10:34.509 --> 00:10:38.070 and they care for you and They were right there 00:10:38.070 --> 00:10:40.730 beside me through the whole thing. Mm -hmm. I 00:10:40.730 --> 00:10:44.409 think it's interesting that He spoke to you while 00:10:44.409 --> 00:10:46.409 you were leaning in your kitchen in the pain 00:10:46.409 --> 00:10:49.830 and what do you think would have happened if 00:10:49.830 --> 00:10:52.370 you'd had had doubt then? Like you didn't tell 00:10:52.370 --> 00:10:54.090 your daughter, that's it. You know what I mean? 00:10:54.129 --> 00:10:57.470 Do you think you'd still be healed now? I don't 00:10:57.470 --> 00:11:02.850 really know because it was so powerful that I 00:11:02.850 --> 00:11:06.490 felt it throughout my whole body. So I knew, 00:11:06.929 --> 00:11:09.649 I mean, I've been touched by the Lord previously 00:11:09.649 --> 00:11:14.519 in many church services. And I knew without a 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.139 doubt in my mind that he had touched me that 00:11:17.139 --> 00:11:20.159 day. There was no doubt. It was like the full 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.039 surrender where God shows up to do what he does 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.480 best and miraculous. When I was healed of 17 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:28.480 years of chronic neck and shoulder pain, I was 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.080 like, Josh, you got to lay hands. This is ridiculous. 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.600 I'm done. Because muscle relaxers, painkillers 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:36.299 weren't helping it. No. And so I'm like, I give 00:11:36.299 --> 00:11:39.559 up. And so that was the day it happened. So that 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:42.169 full surrender is powerful. Yes. Because then 00:11:42.169 --> 00:11:45.289 he steps in. Well, I had given my heart to him 00:11:45.289 --> 00:11:49.330 many years prior and I knew that he was with 00:11:49.330 --> 00:11:52.549 me through this whole journey. In fact, he's 00:11:52.549 --> 00:11:55.870 still with me. Right. He's such an awesome God. 00:11:56.250 --> 00:11:58.789 So there was one thing you were talking about 00:11:58.789 --> 00:12:01.600 at the birthday party. Well, you and Wendy were 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:03.799 both typing at the same time. Tell everybody 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:06.899 about how you got through those years. She kept 00:12:06.899 --> 00:12:08.820 working, even though she couldn't do all the 00:12:08.820 --> 00:12:11.600 tasks. They teamed up. So tell them what you 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.240 would do. It was so funny because it was a day 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:17.919 I was extremely having trouble with my right 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:20.679 hand. And I go, Wendy, I can't do this. Do you 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.580 think that we can type together? Wendy types 00:12:23.580 --> 00:12:26.580 really fast. And Wendy's a really, yeah, she's 00:12:26.580 --> 00:12:29.919 really good at typing. And we are very close. 00:12:30.299 --> 00:12:35.059 my bestest friend, and we sat down together. 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:38.279 I'm typing with my left hand, she's typing with 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:42.840 the right hand, and we are just in sync. We couldn't 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:47.220 believe it. We typed the whole bulletin and the 00:12:47.220 --> 00:12:52.440 whole monthly newsletter together. It was awesome, 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.620 and we couldn't even believe it. We were just 00:12:55.620 --> 00:13:01.580 so excited that it could be done. He's awesome. 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:05.659 It reminds me of Matthew 8 28. God works all 00:13:05.659 --> 00:13:08.539 things together for the good. Amen. And so you 00:13:08.539 --> 00:13:10.340 were able to build your relationship together 00:13:10.340 --> 00:13:14.320 and just get to get through that. That was just 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:17.720 amazing. And do my job. Yeah, you still got it 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:22.549 done. Yes. It's interesting because you were 00:13:22.549 --> 00:13:24.769 so focused on doing your job You're so focused 00:13:24.769 --> 00:13:26.850 and still going to work despite the infirmary 00:13:26.850 --> 00:13:29.830 that oh, yeah That that you were stricken with 00:13:29.830 --> 00:13:32.870 and he honored that you wanted to do that Even 00:13:32.870 --> 00:13:34.450 though it's like you were spinning your wheels 00:13:34.450 --> 00:13:37.750 in the wrong direction He still honored you in 00:13:37.750 --> 00:13:41.429 that. I think that's incredible. I also like 00:13:41.429 --> 00:13:46.169 that When he spoke to you, you knew it but we 00:13:46.169 --> 00:13:48.590 were at par services where others spoke for you 00:13:48.590 --> 00:13:53.480 you had doubt And it's kind of a human condition 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:55.279 where someone says, hey, I declare in the name 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:56.759 of the Lord that you are healed. You're like, 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:59.860 am I? But when God said, hey, I declare in my 00:13:59.860 --> 00:14:02.279 name, this is done. It's finished. And you're 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:06.340 like, yes, it is. Yes. Yes. Yeah, because through 00:14:06.340 --> 00:14:09.120 the years, Wendy and I, of course, are good friends. 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:12.159 And she'd say, you know that you're healed. And 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:15.659 I says, yes, I am. I'm just waiting for confirmation. 00:14:16.429 --> 00:14:19.629 Yeah, to see it in the physical realm. Yes, exactly. 00:14:19.889 --> 00:14:22.230 Everything starts in the spiritual realm. We 00:14:22.230 --> 00:14:24.730 speak it just like God did. He made us in His 00:14:24.730 --> 00:14:27.009 image, and He created the world by speaking it 00:14:27.009 --> 00:14:30.250 into existence. And then boom, it happened. And 00:14:30.250 --> 00:14:34.450 then it was good. And it just goes to show you 00:14:34.450 --> 00:14:37.049 that it happens in the spiritual first, and then 00:14:37.049 --> 00:14:40.789 you'll see it come to fruition and come to manifest 00:14:40.789 --> 00:14:45.549 it. God is so good. That is so cool. Now, Wendy 00:14:45.549 --> 00:14:48.629 had MS as well. Yes. When does that fit with 00:14:48.629 --> 00:14:50.409 your timeline? Did she have it before or was 00:14:50.409 --> 00:14:54.230 she already healed of it? She had it before and 00:14:54.230 --> 00:14:58.049 she was basically healed of it. She volunteered 00:14:58.049 --> 00:15:01.370 at work to help me. So you saw it was possible? 00:15:01.610 --> 00:15:04.029 It was possible. I literally haven't met a single 00:15:04.029 --> 00:15:06.029 person that goes to our church who has MS who 00:15:06.029 --> 00:15:08.409 hasn't been healed of MS. Not just saying there's 00:15:08.409 --> 00:15:10.269 a church. There's three of us at our church. 00:15:10.269 --> 00:15:13.809 I haven't met the third. Ruth. We haven't met 00:15:13.809 --> 00:15:16.029 Ruth, but like, how good is that? And then when 00:15:16.029 --> 00:15:17.850 someone came on who said they had MS, I'm like, 00:15:17.889 --> 00:15:19.710 oh my gosh, I haven't met anyone who hasn't, 00:15:19.710 --> 00:15:22.129 who hasn't been healed. So yay, that should be 00:15:22.129 --> 00:15:24.490 encouraging to him. And now he's pain free, but 00:15:24.490 --> 00:15:29.750 that's another story. Turn into that. So, wow. 00:15:30.789 --> 00:15:35.009 So what have you been up to now? Like, I know 00:15:35.009 --> 00:15:37.370 you can share this story with others and be an 00:15:37.370 --> 00:15:39.610 encouragement to them. Have you like run into 00:15:39.610 --> 00:15:42.980 others with the same thing yet? I've run into 00:15:42.980 --> 00:15:46.460 a few people or the pastors have given me names 00:15:46.460 --> 00:15:50.259 of people who have been affected with it. And 00:15:50.259 --> 00:15:52.840 I've talked to them on the phone and prayed with 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:57.139 them and shared my story and tried to encourage 00:15:57.139 --> 00:16:00.580 them, but I have never heard back from them, 00:16:00.580 --> 00:16:03.740 which is so strange. Now I can send them a few 00:16:03.740 --> 00:16:07.639 episodes. Yes, God is, but I put it out there 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.580 and I like God do it. He's in control, not me. 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:13.659 Yeah, you never know when it's going to happen, 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:16.360 but you know it's going to happen. Yes, I'm willing 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:20.759 to share my story and to tell others how I felt 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:25.940 and what I went through, but I know he's in control. 00:16:26.460 --> 00:16:30.600 There's no doubt in my mind at all. I wasn't 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.779 expecting this. A four -day headache had me desperate. 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:36.340 Then my coach said, you need one of these patches. 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:41.080 She was right. LifeWave's X39 patches use light, 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.159 not drugs, to support the body. Since then, I'm 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:48.059 sleeping better, Josh feels pain -free, and the 00:16:48.059 --> 00:16:50.700 stories we're hearing sound like God's hand is 00:16:50.700 --> 00:16:53.679 in it. It's not a replacement for faith, but 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:56.440 maybe it's part of the answer. Tap the LifeWave 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.830 link in our About section to learn more. Now 00:16:58.830 --> 00:17:02.769 back to more of God's goodness. So we all have 00:17:02.769 --> 00:17:05.670 giftings, and some of us have the gift of of 00:17:05.670 --> 00:17:08.170 healing. And some of us have the gift of other 00:17:08.170 --> 00:17:11.589 things and such. And everybody can heal in the 00:17:11.589 --> 00:17:15.210 name of Jesus. But some people are more inclined 00:17:15.210 --> 00:17:18.390 to what is your spiritual gifting in this? Because, 00:17:18.390 --> 00:17:21.190 you know, is it healing or do you have like another? 00:17:21.609 --> 00:17:24.490 I heard that you got people referred to you due 00:17:24.490 --> 00:17:27.450 to an intercessory prayer. I am a prayer warrior. 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:33.400 And what I believe is God just uses me where 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.440 He needs me to be. I'm willing to be a person 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:41.759 for Him. I don't know. A lot of pastors, like 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.960 I said, I worked in a church for 31 years. So 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:48.160 a lot of pastors have prayed over me and different 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.700 things. Now they have said that I have the gift 00:17:51.700 --> 00:17:56.339 of prophecy. Mmm, not so much sure about that, 00:17:56.339 --> 00:18:00.660 but that's in God's hands, you know But I just 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:05.339 I don't know. I'm a I'm a worker. I'm I'm just 00:18:05.339 --> 00:18:08.220 hands. I'm hands for the Lord is the way I I 00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:10.859 want to back it up to that pastors thought you 00:18:10.859 --> 00:18:13.859 had to give to prophecy What have you said that 00:18:13.859 --> 00:18:19.420 they were like hold up? I Don't know. That's 00:18:19.420 --> 00:18:23.119 the thing. I really don't know like years and 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.680 years, we had a house in front of our church, 00:18:27.259 --> 00:18:31.039 and I prayed and I prayed and I prayed that it 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:33.900 would be bought and that we could add on to our 00:18:33.900 --> 00:18:39.720 sanctuary. That happened over years, but was 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:44.660 it my prayer? Was it me? Not necessarily, I don't 00:18:44.660 --> 00:18:48.319 think. I think it's God working. I'm just an 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:52.980 instrument that he uses. That's it. I'm just 00:18:52.980 --> 00:18:57.119 the little person, not a big pastor or anything 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:03.880 like that. Well, I like him in there. Wow. Yeah, 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.099 I don't think you have to be a pastor to be a 00:19:06.099 --> 00:19:09.400 big person for God. No. Mary wasn't a pastor. 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:13.140 No. Joseph wasn't a pastor. David certainly wasn't 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:15.059 a pastor. He was a king, but he wasn't a pastor 00:19:15.059 --> 00:19:17.640 and he was a shepherd first. Which is the lowest 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.660 of the lows back then. Well, one of them, right? 00:19:19.940 --> 00:19:22.599 Yes. Yeah. I don't think you're understanding 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.440 the magnitude of responsibility God has placed 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:29.099 on you and the authority is giving you. You're 00:19:29.099 --> 00:19:31.940 not just a little person. You are a daughter 00:19:31.940 --> 00:19:34.519 of the Most High King. Amen to that. If you're 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.180 a daughter of a king, that makes you a princess, 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:39.619 right? So you are royalty in the kingdom of heaven. 00:19:39.900 --> 00:19:43.559 And that's a pretty big deal. And you have clearly 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:46.759 a prayers of authority to back that up. Yeah. 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:51.279 God listens. Not because he has to know because 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:54.400 he wants to listen to you Because he has a relationship 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:56.720 with you because like a father cares about his 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:58.839 daughter. He cares about what you have to say 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:01.000 That's important. I think it's very important 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:02.859 to know that we don't direct God's attention 00:20:02.859 --> 00:20:05.500 places with our prayer We don't force him to 00:20:05.500 --> 00:20:07.960 act. We don't force him to look he's already 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:10.279 aware of everything All we do is we make our 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:12.759 requests known to him. We let him know that hey 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:14.740 Papa We have a problem here and he says yeah, 00:20:14.859 --> 00:20:17.279 I know thanks for telling me and then he addresses 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:20.799 it And sometimes his answer is no. Right. And 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.160 we have to be prepared for that. You know, Jesus, 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.740 when he was praying, hey, let this cup go. We 00:20:26.740 --> 00:20:29.700 didn't hear God's request or answer was. But 00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:32.880 we know it was no, because he asked three times. 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.599 We know God said, no, this is going to be your 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:37.519 cup. This is your burden. And Jesus is like, 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:39.839 I'm going to wear it. This is it. I'm good with 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:42.339 it. I just if there was another way, I was good 00:20:42.339 --> 00:20:46.329 with that, too. And so. You know, God does say 00:20:46.329 --> 00:20:48.970 no, and he is very good to those who are faithful 00:20:48.970 --> 00:20:54.450 to him, even in his no. Yes. Yes, he is. I mean, 00:20:55.289 --> 00:20:59.470 I've took a fell recently and my husband laughs 00:20:59.470 --> 00:21:02.130 at me because the first thing out of my mouth 00:21:02.130 --> 00:21:08.089 was, Jesus, help me. And he goes, I can't hear 00:21:08.089 --> 00:21:11.930 it. And I says, well, I know he can help me. 00:21:11.980 --> 00:21:15.660 You can help me up now, hon. And he's going to 00:21:15.660 --> 00:21:21.220 send you to do it. Yes. Please, please. I pick 00:21:21.220 --> 00:21:23.400 a lot of people up for work, and so I'm very 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:27.359 aware of that aspect of it, that somebody could 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:29.339 be like, oh, I was praying for help. Well, help 00:21:29.339 --> 00:21:32.359 is here. You know, your prayer is answered. It 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:34.299 may not be what you thought it was, but you're 00:21:34.299 --> 00:21:36.579 still getting off that floor. Oftentimes, it's 00:21:36.579 --> 00:21:38.799 not what we think it's going to be. And not hurt. 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.640 Thank you, Jesus. Oh, yeah. And I don't think 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:44.279 God minds that we imagine things differently 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:46.099 than how he gives it to us. I don't think he 00:21:46.099 --> 00:21:48.200 gets mad. It's like, that's not what I was thinking, 00:21:48.380 --> 00:21:50.740 guys. Like, I think he loves our creativity. 00:21:50.859 --> 00:21:52.839 I love how he I think he loves how we come up 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:54.859 with different scenarios. And he's like, oh, 00:21:54.900 --> 00:21:57.380 you're going to be so blown away. That is not 00:21:57.380 --> 00:21:59.079 how I'm going to do it. You're not even thinking 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:01.680 in the right direction because you're like looking 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:03.019 over the left. I'm going to hit you from the 00:22:03.019 --> 00:22:05.660 right. And I think he enjoys that because it 00:22:05.660 --> 00:22:07.940 instills in us a sense of wonder. And that's 00:22:07.940 --> 00:22:10.339 like then we're like children, where children 00:22:10.339 --> 00:22:12.460 always have that wonder about them. And he said, 00:22:12.460 --> 00:22:14.400 unless you could be like these little ones, full 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:17.640 of wonderment, full of amazement, trusting fully 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:20.180 on the father, right, trusting fully on your 00:22:20.180 --> 00:22:22.940 parent, because you don't care where food comes 00:22:22.940 --> 00:22:24.579 from, like ask my son, he doesn't know where 00:22:24.579 --> 00:22:27.319 food comes from. I mean, he does, but he doesn't. 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:29.119 He doesn't know why he has shelter. He doesn't 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:31.400 know he doesn't concern himself with any of these 00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:34.240 details, because it's provided for him. And that's 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:36.700 how God wants us to come to Him. Don't be concerned 00:22:36.700 --> 00:22:39.079 with any of those little details. I got you. 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:44.099 Amen. He sure does. I wouldn't want to be anywhere 00:22:44.099 --> 00:22:48.140 else than in His hands. So were you in His hands 00:22:48.140 --> 00:22:51.480 your whole life? Nope. I gave my heart to the 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:56.319 Lord back in 76. I was born and raised a Catholic 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:02.640 and sorry to say A priest ignored a question 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:06.700 I asked in CCD class, and from that time I walked 00:23:06.700 --> 00:23:09.680 away. What was the question? I don't remember. 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:15.119 I was only 15. It was clearly an important question 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:17.960 that he decided wasn't important enough for him 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:21.160 to answer and dismissed it. And you sought answers 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:24.220 elsewhere. And God's like, I got you. I have 00:23:24.220 --> 00:23:27.500 an answer you're looking for. I waited till afterwards 00:23:27.500 --> 00:23:29.759 and I asked the priest, I says, why didn't you 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.220 answer my question? And he goes, where did you 00:23:33.220 --> 00:23:36.140 hear that? And I says, well, I was reading the 00:23:36.140 --> 00:23:41.859 Bible. Right away, he said, that is not for people 00:23:41.859 --> 00:23:47.359 to read, that is only for holy men of God to 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:54.500 read. And I said, okay, goodbye. Yeah, well, 00:23:54.500 --> 00:23:56.519 I mean the last person that scrutinized him from 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:58.299 reading the Bible was Martin Luther and he nailed 00:23:58.299 --> 00:24:00.099 some things to the door and everybody else had 00:24:00.099 --> 00:24:04.240 I went for that And and that logic if that's 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:07.980 not for you to read that's a very dangerous Roam 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:10.839 to be on you just did the Word of God is is for 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:13.599 me, but it has to be told to me by someone else 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:16.740 How do I know they're being honest? Right. So, 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:20.630 you know, they're right A lot of times they're 00:24:20.630 --> 00:24:22.670 not right. Yeah. How do I know they're spirit 00:24:22.670 --> 00:24:24.509 filled? How do I know that God is with them? 00:24:24.970 --> 00:24:26.930 And he's going to tell me the word of God. I 00:24:26.930 --> 00:24:28.789 could do a Google search and read the word of 00:24:28.789 --> 00:24:31.609 God as an atheist and glean just as much as a 00:24:31.609 --> 00:24:33.950 non -spirit filled person could. Yeah. I was 00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:36.329 just a little kid and that just turned me away 00:24:36.329 --> 00:24:39.769 from the church. It really did. I'm glad it did. 00:24:39.789 --> 00:24:42.230 Oh yeah, me too. I'm glad that you had the presence 00:24:42.230 --> 00:24:45.150 of mind to realize that that is not, that was 00:24:45.150 --> 00:24:47.009 not true. It's like God instilled you with that 00:24:47.009 --> 00:24:49.700 and said, no, that's not true. My word is for 00:24:49.700 --> 00:24:52.900 you. I want you to read my word And when he said 00:24:52.900 --> 00:24:55.259 that it turns something in you like it soured 00:24:55.259 --> 00:24:58.599 you to it So I wholly believe that God had a 00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:00.480 grip on you when you gave your life to Jesus 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:02.599 Whether you're a Catholic then or not is irrelevant, 00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:05.920 right? He takes it seriously Every single time 00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:07.619 if you were six years old He said God I give 00:25:07.619 --> 00:25:09.440 my life to you and then you don't live like it 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:11.759 you live like a Catholic or you do that He doesn't 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:17.339 care. He's like I took your Your your heart seriously 00:25:17.900 --> 00:25:19.839 And even though you can't do it because you're 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:24.279 a person, we fail. He never fails. He does not 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:26.680 break his promises. So when you said, hey, let 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:28.619 me in, he said, you're in. And then you're like, 00:25:28.700 --> 00:25:30.539 Lord, I failed, I failed, I failed, I can't believe 00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:31.740 this. And he's like, no, man, you're already 00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:34.460 in. I don't know if you realize this, but like 00:25:34.460 --> 00:25:37.319 14 years ago, when you said that, I let you in. 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.220 Yeah, you've been messing up, but we're all allowed 00:25:40.220 --> 00:25:42.910 to mess up. Now you're getting it right. Now 00:25:42.910 --> 00:25:44.390 you're doing it right now. You're talking to 00:25:44.390 --> 00:25:45.990 me every day now. We're having a conversation 00:25:45.990 --> 00:25:47.869 What about well, no, no, we don't care about 00:25:47.869 --> 00:25:50.150 yesterday. All right, look what I did a lot swipe. 00:25:50.150 --> 00:25:52.990 Don't look back Don't look back. There's only 00:25:52.990 --> 00:25:54.769 death when you look back. I need you to look 00:25:54.769 --> 00:25:57.410 forward I need you to enjoy the present with 00:25:57.410 --> 00:26:00.450 me and That's that's where God wants us to be 00:26:00.450 --> 00:26:02.569 is in the present with him Not worried about 00:26:02.569 --> 00:26:04.349 our tomorrow that we don't know what's happening 00:26:04.349 --> 00:26:07.339 and not living in the hell of the past Amen. 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:13.359 So did you dive into the Bible then? No, I was 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.940 really young, didn't really understand. I knew 00:26:16.940 --> 00:26:20.420 that the Lord had touched me prior to that even. 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.059 But let's face it, I grew up in the Catholic 00:26:25.059 --> 00:26:28.660 Church. They did not teach me the word of God. 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:34.799 They taught me catechism, which as I got older, 00:26:34.819 --> 00:26:38.960 I realized This is so far off base from what 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:43.359 the Lord is telling me in His Word that I was 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.839 thankful. I was thankful at that time then that 00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:50.000 I did walk away. Does your family keep going 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:53.740 then? My family kept going. In fact, they still 00:26:53.740 --> 00:26:57.599 do. Although my sisters now are coming more to 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.079 the Christian side of things and the Word of 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.460 things, I send them little things every day, 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.940 little devotions every day by phone, and they 00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:12.700 appreciate it. It's hard. It's hard when you're 00:27:12.700 --> 00:27:16.880 from an Italian family that has come over from 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:21.619 Italy that have been bred in the Catholicism. 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:26.920 It's hard for them to believe like me, where 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:31.019 they don't even read the Bible. Yeah, but they 00:27:31.019 --> 00:27:33.960 have one in their home. They always had one at 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.779 their home. In fact, I have my family. What's 00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:38.059 the point of having it if you're not going to 00:27:38.059 --> 00:27:40.220 open it and read it? It's to write in marriages 00:27:40.220 --> 00:27:42.359 and births and stuff like that. You can get a 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:47.619 scrapbook for that. Amen. Yeah, I remember a 00:27:47.619 --> 00:27:52.240 pastor a decade or so ago who was talking about 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:54.880 Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on his door. And 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:56.599 he was not afraid to have a conversation with 00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:58.400 them about Jesus. And he said, they started walking 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:00.160 away. So he started following up the street, 00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:03.160 continuing the conversation. And they basically 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:04.740 said, how do you know what you're reading in 00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:06.259 the Bible is true if you don't have someone to 00:28:06.259 --> 00:28:08.619 interpret it for you? And he retorted, how do 00:28:08.619 --> 00:28:11.019 you know what is in the Bible is true if you've 00:28:11.019 --> 00:28:14.700 never read it for yourself? Well, it's so funny 00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:17.339 that you talked about the Job of Witnesses, because 00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:21.220 I studied with them for a period of time. And 00:28:21.220 --> 00:28:23.980 it was so funny because they would come. every 00:28:23.980 --> 00:28:26.400 Wednesday, and we'd have this little kind of 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:30.720 Bible study. Well, the one day I got out, and 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.400 we're having a cup of tea, and they're telling 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.039 me this and telling me that. And I reached on, 00:28:37.220 --> 00:28:41.539 and I pulled my Bible up from next to my chair. 00:28:42.099 --> 00:28:46.640 And I said, but you didn't finish what you were 00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:50.460 saying. And they go, oh, yes, I did. And they 00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:55.799 show me their Bible. My Bible continued on, their 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.980 verse was cut off. And I'm going, but that's 00:28:59.980 --> 00:29:04.359 not the complete verse. They got up and left. 00:29:05.539 --> 00:29:08.660 I was so sad. I thought they didn't even want 00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:12.380 to argue with me because I had proof right in 00:29:12.380 --> 00:29:14.339 front of me. Or as they call it today, you had 00:29:14.339 --> 00:29:17.859 the receipts. Yeah. That's another good thing. 00:29:17.980 --> 00:29:21.660 Yeah. It was so weird. Thank you Jesus. So did 00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:23.559 you study like a bunch of different religions 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:28.799 to get to? Yes, I was searching. Yeah after I 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:33.420 had left the church and got older and was I was 00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:36.299 married divorced thinking about getting married 00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:39.880 again and a good friend of mine said come to 00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:45.839 church with me and That was back in 76 Hans kunstra 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:50.809 was there and I ran down to the altar when they 00:29:50.809 --> 00:29:54.049 gave the altar call. And I gave my life to the 00:29:54.049 --> 00:29:56.730 Lord right there, there and then, and have been 00:29:56.730 --> 00:30:00.210 changed ever since. How old were you when that 00:30:00.210 --> 00:30:05.829 happened? I was probably 23, 24. So you were 00:30:05.829 --> 00:30:08.250 almost a decade after you walked in. Oh, yeah. 00:30:08.329 --> 00:30:12.450 So you had many, many years of exploration. Oh, 00:30:12.450 --> 00:30:15.289 yes. With different. Did I have fun? Absolutely. 00:30:15.750 --> 00:30:18.730 Oh, yeah. Not asking about that part. Yeah. I 00:30:18.730 --> 00:30:22.869 was a hippie chick. Yes, I was. I can almost 00:30:22.869 --> 00:30:26.950 smell the patchouli now. No, I was just curious, 00:30:27.349 --> 00:30:29.609 you know, because you looked at Jehovah Witnesses 00:30:29.609 --> 00:30:32.390 and, you know, somebody's walking away from Catholicism 00:30:32.390 --> 00:30:35.049 because they know there's answers not being asked 00:30:35.049 --> 00:30:38.490 and clearly not being answered. And they're being 00:30:38.490 --> 00:30:42.880 so many different. religions in the Protestant 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:46.559 faith. How confusing. How how that must have 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:50.400 been. Well, overwhelming. Yeah, because I went 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:52.839 to a Methodist church. I went to a Presbyterian 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:57.099 church, started with Jehovah's Witnesses. I I 00:30:57.099 --> 00:31:00.180 kind of did the full circuit of everything, just 00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:05.160 searching. And until I went to South Hills Assembly. 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:12.150 Pentecostal Friger. Pastor Owen, awesome man 00:31:12.150 --> 00:31:16.650 of God. I said, it changed my life. Hey friend, 00:31:17.250 --> 00:31:20.029 sometimes all it takes is a good honest conversation 00:31:20.029 --> 00:31:22.849 to find clarity. That's why we're now offering 00:31:22.849 --> 00:31:25.430 affordable one -on -one coaching and mentorship 00:31:25.430 --> 00:31:28.730 sessions. If you're a believer looking for breakthrough, 00:31:29.190 --> 00:31:31.890 clarity, or spirit -led direction, these hour 00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:34.910 long calls are a space to process, pray, and 00:31:34.910 --> 00:31:37.809 move forward. You can book your session now with 00:31:37.809 --> 00:31:40.309 special listener pricing. Just head to the link 00:31:40.309 --> 00:31:42.470 in our about section. I'd love to connect with 00:31:42.470 --> 00:31:46.769 you. Did you try any other religions other than 00:31:46.769 --> 00:31:48.730 Christianity when you were in your exploration 00:31:48.730 --> 00:31:50.130 phase? Like you're like, well, if these guys 00:31:50.130 --> 00:31:52.769 are lying about this, then let me try Buddhism 00:31:52.769 --> 00:31:56.230 or Hare Krishna or, you know, or did you stay 00:31:56.230 --> 00:31:58.529 within the realm that God is your savior and 00:31:58.529 --> 00:32:01.910 this is where I'm staying? I think God was always 00:32:01.910 --> 00:32:06.289 with me even as a young child. I can remember 00:32:06.289 --> 00:32:10.700 at 10 years old. moving from my home in Bethel 00:32:10.700 --> 00:32:17.920 to Gastonville, and young, 10 years old, and 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:21.660 really didn't know. I woke up one morning hysterical, 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.359 crying and crying and crying, and I go into my 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.160 mom's room. I mean, I'm just hysterical. My mom 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:33.500 goes, what's wrong? And I go, Nonal died. That 00:32:33.500 --> 00:32:35.700 was my grandfather. I was very close to him. 00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:39.940 We lived with them. for my first 10 years. And 00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:44.000 she says, no, he's just sick, he's okay. I says, 00:32:44.380 --> 00:32:51.400 no, no, no, an angel came to me, he's gone. She 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:53.960 got a phone call from her sister that morning 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:58.019 as I'm laying in her arms. My mom just looked 00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:03.500 at me like, are you crazy? I'm like, what's wrong? 00:33:04.579 --> 00:33:08.420 Like, no, no, died. And my aunt was calling my 00:33:08.420 --> 00:33:13.500 mom to tell her. Wow. So she finally got me settled 00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:19.359 down into bed and called the doctor so that they 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.460 could give me something. But I said, I looked, 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.299 I was crying, just sobbing at the end. And I 00:33:28.299 --> 00:33:30.920 looked over my shoulder and there at the foot 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:35.259 of my bed was an angel. And all it said is peace 00:33:35.259 --> 00:33:40.940 be with you. And I went to sleep. So why was 00:33:40.940 --> 00:33:43.099 it so hard for your parents to figure out that 00:33:43.099 --> 00:33:47.900 maybe you were onto something? Forever. Forever. 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:52.900 Like I said, though, I knew what I knew, but 00:33:52.900 --> 00:33:56.259 I was not a good kid. I was very rebellious, 00:33:56.579 --> 00:34:00.339 of course. Don't tell me what to do. Ask me. 00:34:01.180 --> 00:34:06.190 We all are. So I was that type of a child. did 00:34:06.190 --> 00:34:09.769 everything right, but I had that little bit of 00:34:09.769 --> 00:34:12.769 the devil in me, my mother would say. That's 00:34:12.769 --> 00:34:14.630 why Jesus did the work on their cross, because 00:34:14.630 --> 00:34:17.170 we're all like that. Every last one of us rebels, 00:34:17.250 --> 00:34:19.309 every last one of us spit in the face of God 00:34:19.309 --> 00:34:22.409 and said, no, you can't tell me what to do. And 00:34:22.409 --> 00:34:24.929 Jesus still said, hey, forgive them. They know 00:34:24.929 --> 00:34:28.489 not what they do. Right. Thank you, Lord. What 00:34:28.489 --> 00:34:31.570 an awesome sacrifice to walk in. If you were 00:34:31.570 --> 00:34:35.039 to hit me, I'm throwing hands. Right? Because 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:40.920 I'm not perfect. And Jesus living in me is what 00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.960 is going to stop my reaction from being the carnal 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.719 reaction of what I want to do to what he aim. 00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:49.199 And sometimes I hate it. Sometimes I really want 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.599 to say the thing. I still want to do the thing. 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.500 And so my flesh fights my spirit. But I'll let 00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:58.679 my spirit win as often as I can. Yeah. Right. 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.360 I'll let Jesus prevail, even if it cost me my 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.139 pride, because at the very end of it, what does 00:35:03.139 --> 00:35:06.880 that matter? And I realized that your flesh fights 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.119 so hard against your spirit, because when you 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.400 die, it knows it's not coming with you. Yeah. 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:14.679 You know, and that's that's pretty profound. 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.880 Like, no, you're staying here, buddy. I just 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.380 kind of shut my mouth and turn away when things 00:35:20.380 --> 00:35:23.679 get out of hand. So it sounded like you were 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:28.219 prophetic from an early age. Well, I wasn't encouraging 00:35:28.219 --> 00:35:30.039 kind of prophetic, but it was able to prepare 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.860 your mom's heart like, you know. Yeah. I was 00:35:34.860 --> 00:35:40.340 with my mom when she passed, so. He says, be 00:35:40.340 --> 00:35:44.280 on the other side, Lord, be with the Lord. Well, 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.300 honestly, I don't think it matters if she's Catholic, 00:35:47.300 --> 00:35:49.739 so long as she loved Jesus. Right. And he does 00:35:49.739 --> 00:35:52.619 not judging her based off of being lied to. She's 00:35:52.619 --> 00:35:54.860 not judging her based off of anything other than 00:35:54.860 --> 00:35:57.840 that she loved him, that she knew that he died 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:01.039 for her. Right. That's it. That's what it really 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.139 matters. All the rest of it is basically arguing 00:36:03.139 --> 00:36:06.440 about What body part is the best party part of 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.340 the body of Christ? You know, we're evangelicals. 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.320 We're the mouth of God. Oh, we're charismatic. 00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:13.260 We're the eyes of God. Oh, we're Baptist. We're 00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:18.420 the hands of God. Stop. Stop because you're fighting 00:36:18.420 --> 00:36:20.889 over. what body part you could i could be the 00:36:20.889 --> 00:36:23.190 armpit of god i am cool with whatever part as 00:36:23.190 --> 00:36:26.010 long as i'm in the body of christ amen like i 00:36:26.010 --> 00:36:28.170 could be the fungal toenail i don't care as long 00:36:28.170 --> 00:36:30.690 as i'm in the body of christ amen why are we 00:36:30.690 --> 00:36:32.829 fighting so hard over something like that we 00:36:32.829 --> 00:36:35.030 should be not ever have a problem with that they 00:36:35.030 --> 00:36:36.610 should be like oh we believe this we believe 00:36:36.610 --> 00:36:39.110 that are either one of the salvation issues no 00:36:39.110 --> 00:36:42.750 then shut up if it's not a salvation issue it's 00:36:42.750 --> 00:36:46.329 not a problem so you know if your sound doctrine 00:36:46.329 --> 00:36:49.489 is jesus died for you that Welcome to the club. 00:36:49.929 --> 00:36:56.670 Amen. He's awesome. You know, I am really I never 00:36:56.670 --> 00:37:00.070 knew you. Right. Right. First time. And so I'm 00:37:00.070 --> 00:37:02.210 really glad that we had this conversation so 00:37:02.210 --> 00:37:05.750 that I can hear about another MS victory. Hallelujah. 00:37:06.110 --> 00:37:08.610 Knowing what I know about MS in the medical field, 00:37:08.610 --> 00:37:11.409 it is non curable. Correct. There is nothing 00:37:11.409 --> 00:37:14.349 that can do anything except prolong the agonizing 00:37:14.349 --> 00:37:17.070 death that you're going to have from it. And 00:37:17.309 --> 00:37:19.750 It does cause lesions in the brain, which causes 00:37:19.750 --> 00:37:21.889 your brain not to be able to connect properly 00:37:21.889 --> 00:37:24.849 and things go downhill from there fast. Right. 00:37:25.170 --> 00:37:26.750 In your case, peeing on the floor and walking 00:37:26.750 --> 00:37:29.030 with a drag leg and your right hand wanting to 00:37:29.030 --> 00:37:31.050 mirror the left hand typing, you know, weird 00:37:31.050 --> 00:37:34.110 things. Weird things. And then we got to suss 00:37:34.110 --> 00:37:36.449 out a story where you're being talked to by angels 00:37:36.449 --> 00:37:42.530 about a dear relative that passed that and then 00:37:42.530 --> 00:37:45.889 came to you again to calm your spirit. Right, 00:37:46.170 --> 00:37:48.710 because Jesus is the Prince of Peace. Yes, I 00:37:48.710 --> 00:37:50.349 feel very fortunate to have heard your story. 00:37:50.449 --> 00:37:53.849 I'm glad that you are here. You were very encouraging. 00:37:54.650 --> 00:37:56.750 I was my wife said it sounds like maybe you have 00:37:56.750 --> 00:37:59.989 some prophecy gift in there after all. Maybe 00:37:59.989 --> 00:38:01.869 you just don't know it. And I think it's good 00:38:01.869 --> 00:38:04.320 that you don't. I think you should continue to 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.800 lean in the way you've been doing it because 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:08.219 it's clearly working for you and the Lord. Oh, 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:10.960 yes. Your relationship is clearly meshed well 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:13.559 and continue to do what he tells you to do and 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.440 listen to what he tells you to listen to. And 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.719 I think you're going to continue to be a wonderful 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:23.159 light star in someone's life and bring Jesus 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.239 through you to them. So I'm very glad to have 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:31.230 you on the show. Thank you. He is my joy. So 00:38:31.230 --> 00:38:33.230 do you want to leave our listeners with a bottle 00:38:33.230 --> 00:38:36.989 verse that anchored you throughout your journey? 00:38:38.050 --> 00:38:44.090 The joy of the Lord is my strength. That is my 00:38:44.090 --> 00:38:49.309 scripture. I've stood on it for 50 plus years 00:38:49.309 --> 00:38:52.789 and I will continue because He is. I mean, He's 00:38:52.789 --> 00:38:56.110 the joy of my strength. He's the joy. He's my 00:38:56.110 --> 00:39:00.789 joy. He's my all. That's a good one. It is, and 00:39:00.789 --> 00:39:04.030 it's weird how Christians can be like that, that 00:39:04.030 --> 00:39:08.269 we can have that joy in adverse conditions. And 00:39:08.269 --> 00:39:10.010 people are like, why aren't you bothered by this? 00:39:11.050 --> 00:39:13.070 I already know the end of the story. Let me tell 00:39:13.070 --> 00:39:17.909 you about my Jesus. Yes. He's in control. It's 00:39:17.909 --> 00:39:19.809 how I had a conversation with a pastor once, 00:39:19.909 --> 00:39:22.030 and we were talking about global warming. I was 00:39:22.030 --> 00:39:24.130 like, I'm not really worried about it. And he's 00:39:24.130 --> 00:39:29.329 like, really? Why not? Jesus said, or God said, 00:39:29.369 --> 00:39:31.329 he wasn't going to flood the earth again. So 00:39:31.329 --> 00:39:33.289 why are we worried about the polar ice caps melting 00:39:33.289 --> 00:39:35.269 and flooding the earth? We know that's not going 00:39:35.269 --> 00:39:39.489 to happen. He gave us rainbows. Yeah. Here he 00:39:39.489 --> 00:39:41.449 said it wasn't going to happen. And if I read 00:39:41.449 --> 00:39:43.289 Revelation correctly, that is not how the end 00:39:43.289 --> 00:39:45.369 of the world comes about at all. It has nothing 00:39:45.369 --> 00:39:47.469 to do with global warming. So I'm not worried 00:39:47.469 --> 00:39:49.429 about it. That doesn't mean I have to throw my 00:39:49.429 --> 00:39:52.329 plastic straws in the street, you know, but I'm 00:39:52.329 --> 00:39:55.309 not worried about global warming. No, I'm not 00:39:55.309 --> 00:39:59.730 either. Well, if this has been an encouragement 00:39:59.730 --> 00:40:02.369 to you and you think of someone that could encourage, 00:40:02.469 --> 00:40:04.710 we ask that you pass it along to a few of those 00:40:04.710 --> 00:40:08.429 people because we want to encourage people. And 00:40:08.429 --> 00:40:10.829 with that, we'll talk to you next week. Thanks 00:40:10.829 --> 00:40:14.010 for tuning in to today's episode. Listen, let's 00:40:14.010 --> 00:40:17.050 stay connected. Come follow us on all the socials 00:40:17.050 --> 00:40:19.010 at God's Goodness Podcast, where you can find 00:40:19.010 --> 00:40:21.429 the latest and say, hey, it's a really great 00:40:21.429 --> 00:40:24.190 way to stay in touch. 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