If you've ever felt stuck in a painful diagnosis,
like healing might happen for others, but not
for you, this episode is for you. Barbara Cicero
lived with multiple sclerosis for 15 years, but
her story doesn't stop at the moment of healing.
It's what happened before, the doubt, the fatigue,
the faithfulness, and what happened after that
will speak straight to your spirit. If you've
been praying, waiting, or wondering if God still
moves, Stay with us. You're about to find hope.
Hey there. Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast.
We are your hosts, Josh and Shelly Hankins, and
we're here to share real stories of God's power,
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strengthen your faith. No matter what you're
walking through, we want to remind you that God
is good and he's still moving today. Let's dive
in. Welcome back to another powerful episode
of the God's Goodness Podcast. If you've been
with us for a while, you know this space is filled
with real stories of faith, healing, and the
undeniable goodness of God. Today's guest is
someone I met at what I can only describe as
a divinely orchestrated birthday party for two
of our beloved returning guests, Wendy Lawson
and Karen Robinson. Fun fact, they shared the
same birthday and each have been on the podcast
twice. While we were celebrating, I overheard
a testimony that literally made me pause mid
-conversation. That's when I met Barbara Cicero.
Like Wendy, Barbara was diagnosed with multiple
sclerosis. But her healing journey, while just
as miraculous, unfolded in an entirely different
way. And I can't wait for you to hear what God
has done in her life. Before we dive in, I've
asked Barbara to open us in prayer. Barbara,
would you do this with the honor? Yes. Father,
we just come before you this day. I ask for your
blessing on this whole episode, Lord Jesus. I
put it in your hands. Let you speak through me
because you know what you did in my body. And
I just praise you and I thank you. And I just
ask that you touch anybody that would hear this
in the name of Jesus. Amen. Amen. Amen. They
say you can pass on that anointing that you got
onto other people. So may this do that. Yes.
So where would you like to start this story?
Because it's got all twists and turns in it.
Yes, it's got many twists and turns. Do you want
me to start at the beginning? The very beginning?
Well, what would make sense? I mean, you can
do however you want. You can start in the back
and just kind of like tell the story backwards
like a Quentin Tarantino movie or you could probably
make more sense if we just started from the beginning.
From the beginning. It was a normal day. I was
getting ready for work, and as I'm preparing
my tea, my husband goes, what's all over the
floor? And I look down and I says, I don't know,
it's a puddle. And I reached down and I touched
my legs and I says, oh, I peed. He says, what's
wrong? I says, I have no idea, but I think I
better go see a doctor. I says, this is not normal.
So I went to the physician and immediately he
put me into the hospital. In the hospital, I
laid there for three days as they did tests.
And it was the weirdest thing. I would get like
an electrical shock that would start at my head.
and go all the way down my legs, out my feet.
It was the weirdest sensation I have ever, ever
imagined. And this happened repeatedly through
the three days. They sent me for blood work,
they sent me for an MRI, and then they did a
spinal tap. And within those three tests, they
discovered that I had MS, which is multiple sclerosis.
And from there, they sent me home. Well, the
next day I went back to work. I was dragging
my right leg and having a little bit of time
moving. And I was very, very tired. But my girlfriend
at work said, ah, my dad can make you a cane,
which he did. God bless his soul. He's with the
Lord right now. So thank you so much. But that
helped me. get in and out of work, back and forth,
but the fatigue is really what got me down. It
was very hard. I'd come home from work and I'd
lay down, wake up the next morning in my clothes.
So it was a lot of getting used to the fatigue
in my life at the time. I says, I worked through
that and eventually just kept going back and
forth to work. And Wendy was answering phones
for me at work. And I says, Hey, when can you
help me today? And she said, yeah. She says,
what's going on? I says, my right hand doesn't
want to do what I'm telling it to do. I said,
I'm typing and I typed this whole paragraph out
and I couldn't read a word. I'm thinking something's
definitely wrong. Took me two weeks to figure
out what was going on in that paragraph. I figured
it out. My right hand was doing what my left
hand should have been doing. So every key on
the keyboard was opposite handed. And I took
it to my neurologist and he was just amazed.
He couldn't believe that I figured out. what
the problem was. And he says, well, there's an
understanding for that. Your brain has three
open lesions. So sometimes when you're telling
it something to do, it does something totally
different. I says, oh, okay, that makes sense.
Because I could notice in my everyday life things
that I was doing wasn't the way I normally did
things. A little backwards. Yeah. So it was an
interesting thing for him to learn and it helped
him. After that, they put me on Avonex, which
is an injection every Friday, either inner muscular,
either thighs, hips, arms. I did this for 15
years. Sounds painful. Oh. It was very expensive
to begin with, and then my insurance would cover
it. But it was just something that you just didn't
want to look forward to every week. And doing
that every week went from leg to leg, hip to
hip, arm to arm. And finally, toward the end
of things, my daughter gave me a shot. It was
on one Friday. She's sitting on the floor, and
it had been a painful shot this time. And I'm
laying over my kitchen counter, and I'm asking
the Lord, why, Lord, why? And he spoke to my
spirit, and he says, it is finished. I looked
at my daughter sitting on the floor, and I says,
that's it? That's the last shot you're going
to give me? I'm taking the rest to the doctor
and give it to somebody who needs it because
God just told me it's done and I'm going to believe
Him. And that's it. That was the last of the
any anything. No symptoms, no nothing. God had
touched me there in my little kitchen with my
daughter sitting on the floor. And I am just
so thankful. He's such an awesome God. How much
were you praying for it? Like, were you praying
at all for it to be relieved? Oh, boy. For all
15 years to me? All through those 15 years, Chicana
Glory was at the church. They prayed for me.
I was laid on the floor for hours. We had another
speaker that came, same thing, out on the floor
for hours. We had one speaker where the one wife
of one of the pastors and I were sitting on the
steps of the church and the heaviness of the
Holy Spirit was just there. Oh, I remember. I
said, I tried to get up and walk down the steps
and I couldn't. I just had to sit down again.
And I thought, boy, I need to go to the ladies
room, really bad. So I got up, fell down on my
knees. and I crawled out of the sanctuary. And
I just praise God. I says, He touched me. I know
He touched me. He touched me several times. Sometimes
little doubt comes in and it takes away from
your healing. And I says, No, I know, I know,
I know. God has touched me. Wow, that right there.
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things throughout the 15 years like that would
happen and I just praise God I says I didn't
care. I just went to work every day and did my
thing and It's wonderful to work in a church
though where people around you can pray for you
and they care for you and They were right there
beside me through the whole thing. Mm -hmm. I
think it's interesting that He spoke to you while
you were leaning in your kitchen in the pain
and what do you think would have happened if
you'd had had doubt then? Like you didn't tell
your daughter, that's it. You know what I mean?
Do you think you'd still be healed now? I don't
really know because it was so powerful that I
felt it throughout my whole body. So I knew,
I mean, I've been touched by the Lord previously
in many church services. And I knew without a
doubt in my mind that he had touched me that
day. There was no doubt. It was like the full
surrender where God shows up to do what he does
best and miraculous. When I was healed of 17
years of chronic neck and shoulder pain, I was
like, Josh, you got to lay hands. This is ridiculous.
I'm done. Because muscle relaxers, painkillers
weren't helping it. No. And so I'm like, I give
up. And so that was the day it happened. So that
full surrender is powerful. Yes. Because then
he steps in. Well, I had given my heart to him
many years prior and I knew that he was with
me through this whole journey. In fact, he's
still with me. Right. He's such an awesome God.
So there was one thing you were talking about
at the birthday party. Well, you and Wendy were
both typing at the same time. Tell everybody
about how you got through those years. She kept
working, even though she couldn't do all the
tasks. They teamed up. So tell them what you
would do. It was so funny because it was a day
I was extremely having trouble with my right
hand. And I go, Wendy, I can't do this. Do you
think that we can type together? Wendy types
really fast. And Wendy's a really, yeah, she's
really good at typing. And we are very close.
my bestest friend, and we sat down together.
I'm typing with my left hand, she's typing with
the right hand, and we are just in sync. We couldn't
believe it. We typed the whole bulletin and the
whole monthly newsletter together. It was awesome,
and we couldn't even believe it. We were just
so excited that it could be done. He's awesome.
It reminds me of Matthew 8 28. God works all
things together for the good. Amen. And so you
were able to build your relationship together
and just get to get through that. That was just
amazing. And do my job. Yeah, you still got it
done. Yes. It's interesting because you were
so focused on doing your job You're so focused
and still going to work despite the infirmary
that oh, yeah That that you were stricken with
and he honored that you wanted to do that Even
though it's like you were spinning your wheels
in the wrong direction He still honored you in
that. I think that's incredible. I also like
that When he spoke to you, you knew it but we
were at par services where others spoke for you
you had doubt And it's kind of a human condition
where someone says, hey, I declare in the name
of the Lord that you are healed. You're like,
am I? But when God said, hey, I declare in my
name, this is done. It's finished. And you're
like, yes, it is. Yes. Yes. Yeah, because through
the years, Wendy and I, of course, are good friends.
And she'd say, you know that you're healed. And
I says, yes, I am. I'm just waiting for confirmation.
Yeah, to see it in the physical realm. Yes, exactly.
Everything starts in the spiritual realm. We
speak it just like God did. He made us in His
image, and He created the world by speaking it
into existence. And then boom, it happened. And
then it was good. And it just goes to show you
that it happens in the spiritual first, and then
you'll see it come to fruition and come to manifest
it. God is so good. That is so cool. Now, Wendy
had MS as well. Yes. When does that fit with
your timeline? Did she have it before or was
she already healed of it? She had it before and
she was basically healed of it. She volunteered
at work to help me. So you saw it was possible?
It was possible. I literally haven't met a single
person that goes to our church who has MS who
hasn't been healed of MS. Not just saying there's
a church. There's three of us at our church.
I haven't met the third. Ruth. We haven't met
Ruth, but like, how good is that? And then when
someone came on who said they had MS, I'm like,
oh my gosh, I haven't met anyone who hasn't,
who hasn't been healed. So yay, that should be
encouraging to him. And now he's pain free, but
that's another story. Turn into that. So, wow.
So what have you been up to now? Like, I know
you can share this story with others and be an
encouragement to them. Have you like run into
others with the same thing yet? I've run into
a few people or the pastors have given me names
of people who have been affected with it. And
I've talked to them on the phone and prayed with
them and shared my story and tried to encourage
them, but I have never heard back from them,
which is so strange. Now I can send them a few
episodes. Yes, God is, but I put it out there
and I like God do it. He's in control, not me.
Yeah, you never know when it's going to happen,
but you know it's going to happen. Yes, I'm willing
to share my story and to tell others how I felt
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back to more of God's goodness. So we all have
giftings, and some of us have the gift of of
healing. And some of us have the gift of other
things and such. And everybody can heal in the
name of Jesus. But some people are more inclined
to what is your spiritual gifting in this? Because,
you know, is it healing or do you have like another?
I heard that you got people referred to you due
to an intercessory prayer. I am a prayer warrior.
And what I believe is God just uses me where
He needs me to be. I'm willing to be a person
for Him. I don't know. A lot of pastors, like
I said, I worked in a church for 31 years. So
a lot of pastors have prayed over me and different
things. Now they have said that I have the gift
of prophecy. Mmm, not so much sure about that,
but that's in God's hands, you know But I just
I don't know. I'm a I'm a worker. I'm I'm just
hands. I'm hands for the Lord is the way I I
want to back it up to that pastors thought you
had to give to prophecy What have you said that
they were like hold up? I Don't know. That's
the thing. I really don't know like years and
years, we had a house in front of our church,
and I prayed and I prayed and I prayed that it
would be bought and that we could add on to our
sanctuary. That happened over years, but was
it my prayer? Was it me? Not necessarily, I don't
think. I think it's God working. I'm just an
instrument that he uses. That's it. I'm just
the little person, not a big pastor or anything
like that. Well, I like him in there. Wow. Yeah,
I don't think you have to be a pastor to be a
big person for God. No. Mary wasn't a pastor.
No. Joseph wasn't a pastor. David certainly wasn't
a pastor. He was a king, but he wasn't a pastor
and he was a shepherd first. Which is the lowest
of the lows back then. Well, one of them, right?
Yes. Yeah. I don't think you're understanding
the magnitude of responsibility God has placed
on you and the authority is giving you. You're
not just a little person. You are a daughter
of the Most High King. Amen to that. If you're
a daughter of a king, that makes you a princess,
right? So you are royalty in the kingdom of heaven.
And that's a pretty big deal. And you have clearly
a prayers of authority to back that up. Yeah.
God listens. Not because he has to know because
he wants to listen to you Because he has a relationship
with you because like a father cares about his
daughter. He cares about what you have to say
That's important. I think it's very important
to know that we don't direct God's attention
places with our prayer We don't force him to
act. We don't force him to look he's already
aware of everything All we do is we make our
requests known to him. We let him know that hey
Papa We have a problem here and he says yeah,
I know thanks for telling me and then he addresses
it And sometimes his answer is no. Right. And
we have to be prepared for that. You know, Jesus,
when he was praying, hey, let this cup go. We
didn't hear God's request or answer was. But
we know it was no, because he asked three times.
We know God said, no, this is going to be your
cup. This is your burden. And Jesus is like,
I'm going to wear it. This is it. I'm good with
it. I just if there was another way, I was good
with that, too. And so. You know, God does say
no, and he is very good to those who are faithful
to him, even in his no. Yes. Yes, he is. I mean,
I've took a fell recently and my husband laughs
at me because the first thing out of my mouth
was, Jesus, help me. And he goes, I can't hear
it. And I says, well, I know he can help me.
You can help me up now, hon. And he's going to
send you to do it. Yes. Please, please. I pick
a lot of people up for work, and so I'm very
aware of that aspect of it, that somebody could
be like, oh, I was praying for help. Well, help
is here. You know, your prayer is answered. It
may not be what you thought it was, but you're
still getting off that floor. Oftentimes, it's
not what we think it's going to be. And not hurt.
Thank you, Jesus. Oh, yeah. And I don't think
God minds that we imagine things differently
than how he gives it to us. I don't think he
gets mad. It's like, that's not what I was thinking,
guys. Like, I think he loves our creativity.
I love how he I think he loves how we come up
with different scenarios. And he's like, oh,
you're going to be so blown away. That is not
how I'm going to do it. You're not even thinking
in the right direction because you're like looking
over the left. I'm going to hit you from the
right. And I think he enjoys that because it
instills in us a sense of wonder. And that's
like then we're like children, where children
always have that wonder about them. And he said,
unless you could be like these little ones, full
of wonderment, full of amazement, trusting fully
on the father, right, trusting fully on your
parent, because you don't care where food comes
from, like ask my son, he doesn't know where
food comes from. I mean, he does, but he doesn't.
He doesn't know why he has shelter. He doesn't
know he doesn't concern himself with any of these
details, because it's provided for him. And that's
how God wants us to come to Him. Don't be concerned
with any of those little details. I got you.
Amen. He sure does. I wouldn't want to be anywhere
else than in His hands. So were you in His hands
your whole life? Nope. I gave my heart to the
Lord back in 76. I was born and raised a Catholic
and sorry to say A priest ignored a question
I asked in CCD class, and from that time I walked
away. What was the question? I don't remember.
I was only 15. It was clearly an important question
that he decided wasn't important enough for him
to answer and dismissed it. And you sought answers
elsewhere. And God's like, I got you. I have
an answer you're looking for. I waited till afterwards
and I asked the priest, I says, why didn't you
answer my question? And he goes, where did you
hear that? And I says, well, I was reading the
Bible. Right away, he said, that is not for people
to read, that is only for holy men of God to
read. And I said, okay, goodbye. Yeah, well,
I mean the last person that scrutinized him from
reading the Bible was Martin Luther and he nailed
some things to the door and everybody else had
I went for that And and that logic if that's
not for you to read that's a very dangerous Roam
to be on you just did the Word of God is is for
me, but it has to be told to me by someone else
How do I know they're being honest? Right. So,
you know, they're right A lot of times they're
not right. Yeah. How do I know they're spirit
filled? How do I know that God is with them?
And he's going to tell me the word of God. I
could do a Google search and read the word of
God as an atheist and glean just as much as a
non -spirit filled person could. Yeah. I was
just a little kid and that just turned me away
from the church. It really did. I'm glad it did.
Oh yeah, me too. I'm glad that you had the presence
of mind to realize that that is not, that was
not true. It's like God instilled you with that
and said, no, that's not true. My word is for
you. I want you to read my word And when he said
that it turns something in you like it soured
you to it So I wholly believe that God had a
grip on you when you gave your life to Jesus
Whether you're a Catholic then or not is irrelevant,
right? He takes it seriously Every single time
if you were six years old He said God I give
my life to you and then you don't live like it
you live like a Catholic or you do that He doesn't
care. He's like I took your Your your heart seriously
And even though you can't do it because you're
a person, we fail. He never fails. He does not
break his promises. So when you said, hey, let
me in, he said, you're in. And then you're like,
Lord, I failed, I failed, I failed, I can't believe
this. And he's like, no, man, you're already
in. I don't know if you realize this, but like
14 years ago, when you said that, I let you in.
Yeah, you've been messing up, but we're all allowed
to mess up. Now you're getting it right. Now
you're doing it right now. You're talking to
me every day now. We're having a conversation
What about well, no, no, we don't care about
yesterday. All right, look what I did a lot swipe.
Don't look back Don't look back. There's only
death when you look back. I need you to look
forward I need you to enjoy the present with
me and That's that's where God wants us to be
is in the present with him Not worried about
our tomorrow that we don't know what's happening
and not living in the hell of the past Amen.
So did you dive into the Bible then? No, I was
really young, didn't really understand. I knew
that the Lord had touched me prior to that even.
But let's face it, I grew up in the Catholic
Church. They did not teach me the word of God.
They taught me catechism, which as I got older,
I realized This is so far off base from what
the Lord is telling me in His Word that I was
thankful. I was thankful at that time then that
I did walk away. Does your family keep going
then? My family kept going. In fact, they still
do. Although my sisters now are coming more to
the Christian side of things and the Word of
things, I send them little things every day,
little devotions every day by phone, and they
appreciate it. It's hard. It's hard when you're
from an Italian family that has come over from
Italy that have been bred in the Catholicism.
It's hard for them to believe like me, where
they don't even read the Bible. Yeah, but they
have one in their home. They always had one at
their home. In fact, I have my family. What's
the point of having it if you're not going to
open it and read it? It's to write in marriages
and births and stuff like that. You can get a
scrapbook for that. Amen. Yeah, I remember a
pastor a decade or so ago who was talking about
Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on his door. And
he was not afraid to have a conversation with
them about Jesus. And he said, they started walking
away. So he started following up the street,
continuing the conversation. And they basically
said, how do you know what you're reading in
the Bible is true if you don't have someone to
interpret it for you? And he retorted, how do
you know what is in the Bible is true if you've
never read it for yourself? Well, it's so funny
that you talked about the Job of Witnesses, because
I studied with them for a period of time. And
it was so funny because they would come. every
Wednesday, and we'd have this little kind of
Bible study. Well, the one day I got out, and
we're having a cup of tea, and they're telling
me this and telling me that. And I reached on,
and I pulled my Bible up from next to my chair.
And I said, but you didn't finish what you were
saying. And they go, oh, yes, I did. And they
show me their Bible. My Bible continued on, their
verse was cut off. And I'm going, but that's
not the complete verse. They got up and left.
I was so sad. I thought they didn't even want
to argue with me because I had proof right in
front of me. Or as they call it today, you had
the receipts. Yeah. That's another good thing.
Yeah. It was so weird. Thank you Jesus. So did
you study like a bunch of different religions
to get to? Yes, I was searching. Yeah after I
had left the church and got older and was I was
married divorced thinking about getting married
again and a good friend of mine said come to
church with me and That was back in 76 Hans kunstra
was there and I ran down to the altar when they
gave the altar call. And I gave my life to the
Lord right there, there and then, and have been
changed ever since. How old were you when that
happened? I was probably 23, 24. So you were
almost a decade after you walked in. Oh, yeah.
So you had many, many years of exploration. Oh,
yes. With different. Did I have fun? Absolutely.
Oh, yeah. Not asking about that part. Yeah. I
was a hippie chick. Yes, I was. I can almost
smell the patchouli now. No, I was just curious,
you know, because you looked at Jehovah Witnesses
and, you know, somebody's walking away from Catholicism
because they know there's answers not being asked
and clearly not being answered. And they're being
so many different. religions in the Protestant
faith. How confusing. How how that must have
been. Well, overwhelming. Yeah, because I went
to a Methodist church. I went to a Presbyterian
church, started with Jehovah's Witnesses. I I
kind of did the full circuit of everything, just
searching. And until I went to South Hills Assembly.
Pentecostal Friger. Pastor Owen, awesome man
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you. Did you try any other religions other than
Christianity when you were in your exploration
phase? Like you're like, well, if these guys
are lying about this, then let me try Buddhism
or Hare Krishna or, you know, or did you stay
within the realm that God is your savior and
this is where I'm staying? I think God was always
with me even as a young child. I can remember
at 10 years old. moving from my home in Bethel
to Gastonville, and young, 10 years old, and
really didn't know. I woke up one morning hysterical,
crying and crying and crying, and I go into my
mom's room. I mean, I'm just hysterical. My mom
goes, what's wrong? And I go, Nonal died. That
was my grandfather. I was very close to him.
We lived with them. for my first 10 years. And
she says, no, he's just sick, he's okay. I says,
no, no, no, an angel came to me, he's gone. She
got a phone call from her sister that morning
as I'm laying in her arms. My mom just looked
at me like, are you crazy? I'm like, what's wrong?
Like, no, no, died. And my aunt was calling my
mom to tell her. Wow. So she finally got me settled
down into bed and called the doctor so that they
could give me something. But I said, I looked,
I was crying, just sobbing at the end. And I
looked over my shoulder and there at the foot
of my bed was an angel. And all it said is peace
be with you. And I went to sleep. So why was
it so hard for your parents to figure out that
maybe you were onto something? Forever. Forever.
Like I said, though, I knew what I knew, but
I was not a good kid. I was very rebellious,
of course. Don't tell me what to do. Ask me.
We all are. So I was that type of a child. did
everything right, but I had that little bit of
the devil in me, my mother would say. That's
why Jesus did the work on their cross, because
we're all like that. Every last one of us rebels,
every last one of us spit in the face of God
and said, no, you can't tell me what to do. And
Jesus still said, hey, forgive them. They know
not what they do. Right. Thank you, Lord. What
an awesome sacrifice to walk in. If you were
to hit me, I'm throwing hands. Right? Because
I'm not perfect. And Jesus living in me is what
is going to stop my reaction from being the carnal
reaction of what I want to do to what he aim.
And sometimes I hate it. Sometimes I really want
to say the thing. I still want to do the thing.
And so my flesh fights my spirit. But I'll let
my spirit win as often as I can. Yeah. Right.
I'll let Jesus prevail, even if it cost me my
pride, because at the very end of it, what does
that matter? And I realized that your flesh fights
so hard against your spirit, because when you
die, it knows it's not coming with you. Yeah.
You know, and that's that's pretty profound.
Like, no, you're staying here, buddy. I just
kind of shut my mouth and turn away when things
get out of hand. So it sounded like you were
prophetic from an early age. Well, I wasn't encouraging
kind of prophetic, but it was able to prepare
your mom's heart like, you know. Yeah. I was
with my mom when she passed, so. He says, be
on the other side, Lord, be with the Lord. Well,
honestly, I don't think it matters if she's Catholic,
so long as she loved Jesus. Right. And he does
not judging her based off of being lied to. She's
not judging her based off of anything other than
that she loved him, that she knew that he died
for her. Right. That's it. That's what it really
matters. All the rest of it is basically arguing
about What body part is the best party part of
the body of Christ? You know, we're evangelicals.
We're the mouth of God. Oh, we're charismatic.
We're the eyes of God. Oh, we're Baptist. We're
the hands of God. Stop. Stop because you're fighting
over. what body part you could i could be the
armpit of god i am cool with whatever part as
long as i'm in the body of christ amen like i
could be the fungal toenail i don't care as long
as i'm in the body of christ amen why are we
fighting so hard over something like that we
should be not ever have a problem with that they
should be like oh we believe this we believe
that are either one of the salvation issues no
then shut up if it's not a salvation issue it's
not a problem so you know if your sound doctrine
is jesus died for you that Welcome to the club.
Amen. He's awesome. You know, I am really I never
knew you. Right. Right. First time. And so I'm
really glad that we had this conversation so
that I can hear about another MS victory. Hallelujah.
Knowing what I know about MS in the medical field,
it is non curable. Correct. There is nothing
that can do anything except prolong the agonizing
death that you're going to have from it. And
It does cause lesions in the brain, which causes
your brain not to be able to connect properly
and things go downhill from there fast. Right.
In your case, peeing on the floor and walking
with a drag leg and your right hand wanting to
mirror the left hand typing, you know, weird
things. Weird things. And then we got to suss
out a story where you're being talked to by angels
about a dear relative that passed that and then
came to you again to calm your spirit. Right,
because Jesus is the Prince of Peace. Yes, I
feel very fortunate to have heard your story.
I'm glad that you are here. You were very encouraging.
I was my wife said it sounds like maybe you have
some prophecy gift in there after all. Maybe
you just don't know it. And I think it's good
that you don't. I think you should continue to
lean in the way you've been doing it because
it's clearly working for you and the Lord. Oh,
yes. Your relationship is clearly meshed well
and continue to do what he tells you to do and
listen to what he tells you to listen to. And
I think you're going to continue to be a wonderful
light star in someone's life and bring Jesus
through you to them. So I'm very glad to have
you on the show. Thank you. He is my joy. So
do you want to leave our listeners with a bottle
verse that anchored you throughout your journey?
The joy of the Lord is my strength. That is my
scripture. I've stood on it for 50 plus years
and I will continue because He is. I mean, He's
the joy of my strength. He's the joy. He's my
joy. He's my all. That's a good one. It is, and
it's weird how Christians can be like that, that
we can have that joy in adverse conditions. And
people are like, why aren't you bothered by this?
I already know the end of the story. Let me tell
you about my Jesus. Yes. He's in control. It's
how I had a conversation with a pastor once,
and we were talking about global warming. I was
like, I'm not really worried about it. And he's
like, really? Why not? Jesus said, or God said,
he wasn't going to flood the earth again. So
why are we worried about the polar ice caps melting
and flooding the earth? We know that's not going
to happen. He gave us rainbows. Yeah. Here he
said it wasn't going to happen. And if I read
Revelation correctly, that is not how the end
of the world comes about at all. It has nothing
to do with global warming. So I'm not worried
about it. That doesn't mean I have to throw my
plastic straws in the street, you know, but I'm
not worried about global warming. No, I'm not
either. Well, if this has been an encouragement
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