When I read this, I said, oh, these people aren't
done, God. And he said, no, Alice, they're not.
And I said, well, what about because the story
gets real deep into like vampireism and werewolves
and stuff. I said, what about these that are
giving themselves over that they physically transformed?
He said, I want them to. I said, God, are you
kidding me? He said, no, I'm not. He said, just
like I saved you and I took you out of that bad
situation, I would love to do the same thing
with them. They're not garbage. And I'm like,
they're not. What about these celebrities who
do all these rituals?" He said, I want them to.
Hey there, welcome to the God's Goodness podcast.
We are your host, Josh and Shelly Hankins, and
we're here to share real stories of God's power,
stories of hope, healing, and miracles that will
strengthen your faith. No matter what you're
walking through, we want to remind you that God
is good and he's still moving today. Let's dive
in. Welcome back to the God's Goodness podcast.
We are here with a special guest. She was introduced
to me by Teresa Hamilton, a former two -time
guest on our show. Today we have with us Alice
Muhammad, and she's going to share a little bit
of her testimony and how God worked through her
life and is still working. And we just pray that
it has a message that you need to hear at this
time. And we'd like to welcome Alice to the show.
Thank you so much, Shelly and Josh. I appreciate
that you guys will have me on today. Would you
start us off with an opening prayer, Alice? Absolutely.
I just want to say, Father God, in the name of
Jesus, we come here today of one mind and one
purpose, and that is to glorify and uplift you.
Please guide us Lord God with our words with
our intention with our heart So that we can reach
the people that you have this message for today
we thank you for how you have brought us through
so many storms and that you continue to bring
us through and It is not for us to boast because
no man can boast for the work that you do Lord
God and we just thank you for your Patience your
grace your love and your mercy in Jesus name.
We'll pray Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you for
that. So Alice, where would you like to start
with your story? So my story starts, I guess
I want to say it starts early in Illinois. I'm
originally from Illinois. I currently live in
Indiana. And in Illinois, we grew up in like
a project area. I think it was about maybe in
kindergarten, first grade. We were in a project
area and life was kind of rough. You know, back
in that day, so about the early 80s. Fast forward,
my mom gets into a program that is a integration
program. At this time she was a believer, but
she had my mom has her own testimony, so I won't
go into it too much, but I'll just say this.
She had enough faith and enough belief to walk
and go places that you know her life and the
way it was set up did not align for that. She
believed beyond what society kind of set up for
her that she could have this twice. I come from
a family at that time, it was six of us, three
boys, three girls. So I have three older brothers.
Like the Brady Bunch. Right, right. And it was
myself and then I had two younger sisters. So
we were stair steps and we were like the Brady
Bunch. But my mom was a single mom. And she'd
been going through some things. Although she
was married to my father, he was not a father
in the sense that his presence made any difference
in our lives. He just kind of was a person that
had his own struggles and he was kind of in and
out. So at the time when my mom got into this
program, it was a pilot program in Illinois that
was seeking to integrate certain areas. And it
was a housing program. She didn't hesitate to
sign up for this program because again, she was
like a single mom, even though she was married.
So this program took us from Chicago, South Side
projects to West suburban area where it was at
the goal the well the rules the program you had
to be 70 % a white community so Here we work
in the culture shock moving from an area that
we were very familiar to to an area that we weren't
but it was God's design It was God's design and
you know a lot of times, you know as a child
you might buck up against things, but It was
God's design. So we were very receptive of this
this environment and again my mom not having
a lot of resources, I had to provide a lot for
us. And so I saw a guy from the beginning doing
all this as a little kid. And I knew that my
mom couldn't do these things. I knew she couldn't
do them. So we ended up in this big, beautiful
house. It was a five -bedroom house, and it was
perfect for us. This program had some specifications
about girls and boys sharing rooms and... She
just couldn't find the house that she needed.
And it took forever and a day. And I think it
was the last day of this program where I was
going to expire. And somebody just had this house
available. And so we ended up moving into it.
And the person that owned the house, they knew
we were coming. And I mean, they set up some
toys in the basement and it was God. It was just
God because these things aren't normal and they
usually don't happen this way. And so... We come
out there and we're in the suburbs and the education
program is better than what we were used to.
And we were meeting people that we hadn't met
and everything just changed. And with that shift,
my mom was really going into the ministry. And
so we ended up meeting, well, she ended up meeting,
who will soon be our stepdad. And so this gentleman,
he, I bless his heart, never had any kids, but
he was willing to take on this single mom with...
six kids. Wow. That was amazing and another stuff
again, but again, you know, God does these things.
And so with this housing program, you know, it
was temporary. It wasn't a permanent thing. And
so the owner wanted to sell the house. They were
done with the program. And for whatever reason,
they just wanted to sell the house. And what
that would mean for us was relocating. We have
to go to another house and they'd have to accept
the program and, you know, yada, yada, yada.
We'd lose our school district. We'd lose everything.
And so this stepdad comes in and he says, you
know, I don't want you to lose your house. And
so this man goes to 19 banks and gets turned
down. He goes to the 20th bank and they say,
okay, we'll give you a mortgage. And so he ends
up saving the house, which was huge for us because
we were able to plant roots and that wasn't typical
for us. My mom had a background where she was
very transient and she was kind of moving around.
You know, she didn't have a lot of resources.
She had at the time an eighth grade education.
And so there weren't a lot of opportunities for
her. So when this man came in, he also wanted
to be in the ministry because that's where they
had met at the church. And so we started off
doing like a little ministry of our own where
we'd go around and we'd sing at churches, the
three boys and three girls, we'd sing at churches.
And then he wanted to start a ministry in the
basement of the house. Well, then that kind of
opened things up and we met a lot of people and
saw a lot of things. And, you know, growing up,
seeing people in the ministry, it has its own
magic. You can see God's hand, you can see God
moving and doing things. And I always love to
see my mom praying for people, seeing their lives
change. Seeing Holy Spirit come into the room,
you could see that almost palpable as a kid,
you could see the difference. So sometimes my
mom would be there and she'd be singing and doing
things and you know nothing would happen. And
then all of a sudden you could feel like this
movement come through where you know people were
being touched and they would just start crying
and then you know everything would just start
moving around. And so I saw God from a very early
age and I remembered hearing about the Comforter.
and how the comforter comes into your life and,
you know, can help you and lead you and guide
you. So as a little kid, I asked for that. I
said, man, I want that. I said, I don't know
what that means, but I want that. I want the
comforter. I want the comforter to help me make
decisions because I don't know what I'm doing.
So asking for that as a little kid, to me is
like a big deal. It was a big deal. I was probably
like maybe eight or nine years old when I asked
for that. It really changed things for me. You
know, I saw kids getting bullied and I saw things
happening and they weren't happening to me. And
we weren't, we didn't have any money. So, you
know, in that community, you could get picked
on for wearing the wrong shoes or looking too
poor or whatever, but that wasn't happening for
us. And my mom, she always kept the ministry.
So she got on the public access channel and she
would always do like a show, like a prayer show.
She actually gave our personal number out. as
a prayer line, we would get calls all day and
night. Wow. People calling that because they
were running the shows anytime. And we get calls
all the time. And so then we got the reputation
of being church kids. And, you know, you could
get made fun of for that, too. But it gave me
a boldness. I was like, so what? So what? And
it made me feel, you know, normally as a kid,
you feel... Like left out you had that FOMO fear
of missing out. You feel like I don't want to
be isolated But it gave me a boldness because
I realized in the church My mom was amazing and
she was getting all these accolades, but the
people outside the church They didn't know that
and almost like a it's like a Superman dual personality
thing where you know I know that this is great
and I know we're great. You guys just don't know
it So so what and that's what I added to us So
what I think that's how people can be bold for
Christ when you know, you know You can get really
excited because there's some really exciting
things that can happen And that's the thing I
was seeing so much and I thought you guys don't
know what you're talking about Yeah, you said
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there those times? Oh my gosh. I've seen I've
seen all kinds of things a person literally kind
of having a demonic manifestation come out of
them. It was strange stuff, really strange stuff
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that identity in God as a little kid, you would
think I would just be like, oh, I'll fire for
God. But when I got to be a teenager, it was
like, you know, I've seen so many carnal Christians
and I was like, you know, yeah, I guess it's
real. But, you know, what is what's up with these
people? Why aren't they satisfied? Why do they
keep going back to the world? There must be something
there. You know, and so they kind of, it turned
my attention away from what was happening and
what I knew to be true to say, yeah, but if it's
all that great, then why are these people, you
know, still struggling? Because the church I
grew up in, there was always testimonies and
testimonials and people would get up and tell,
you know, how they were drug dealers and how
they were this and they were that and God brought
them out of it. And I say to myself, well, I
haven't done any of those things. Maybe I need
to do some things before God can really do some
with me. Yeah, you're like, I'm just boring.
I'm just this boring Christian person and maybe
I haven't lived enough. And that was really,
oh my goodness. It took me on a journey just
that thought. So when I was about 13, there was
a pastor and this guy was really anointed. I
mean, really, really anointed. He kind of grew
up with my brother. So he was young. He was probably
in his 20s. And he was a virgin guy. And he was
just so consecrated guy, because they used to
make fun of him and say, oh, you know, this guy,
you know. And so it was an attitude of, yeah,
we were in the church, but you know, our preacher's
children are, we always kind of looking at, well,
these are the no -no things to do. Why are they
no -nos? So you're asking the wrong questions
and you're looking at the wrong stuff. So this
guy was getting a rep for being, you know, preacher's
kid who Just didn't do anything. And so he was
at a church one time and they were doing a revival.
And I was sitting in the audience because my
mom was always doing such, she was an evangelist
and she would go around and preach. And I mean,
she used to have a ministry where she'd go to
the missions and preach and I always seen her
preaching. And so he was up and she just called
me out the audience and said, you go up there
and give prayer. And I had a funky little teenage
attitude. I didn't want to do it. I was like,
oh man, she's going to embarrass me. Sometimes
they do that in my church. I don't know about
you guys, but I was church of God in Christ.
And whenever the spirit moved, that's when you
go grab a kid out the audience and you guys take
a real lap around the church and you just go
nuts. And you never knew if you were going to
be chosen that day to go running around the church.
So I thought, oh man, she's going to get me up
here. And he's going to get me up here and here
we go. But so I get up there and this guy, he
doesn't even touch me. He just says, put your
hands up and just begin to call in Jesus name.
And I was like, okay, well, you know, I'll do
it just to get down from up here. And he blows
his breath just and I fall out. I fall completely
out and I wake up from it like, whoa. What just
happened to me? I couldn't believe it. It was
the most amazing thing. I could not believe it.
I've seen people fall out under their spirit,
but it never happened to me. And usually I thought,
well, maybe they're, you know, I've seen pastors
too that were kind of forcing people down and
pushing them into, you know, stuff like that.
But no, he didn't even touch me. He just did
it with his breath. And I was amazed by that.
And I thought, wow, wow, goddess. It's kind of
scary right you weren't even prepped for it you
weren't thinking like I'm gonna get I'm full
of the Holy Spirit This is gonna be weak in the
knees. You came up there trying to look for a
way out Yes to just just get back to my seat
so I could be down with being up here cuz when
you're 13 You're already very self -conscious
and you're thinking a bunch of things that you
just want to get somewhere and go sit down And
when that happened, I didn't know what to think
I was like wow, this is it's kind of scary because
I lost control at that moment And so from that
point on, I knew I was very serious and I couldn't
play around with it. So I got baptized and I
wanted to be for God. But then high school hits
and you start making choices and you start thinking,
you know a little something. So I met my children's
dad when I was in high school. And it's so funny
because, you know, this is the part where young
people, you really got to focus your energy.
You really, really got to focus your energy.
I had written a list down of things that I wanted
in a potential mate and I drew a picture and
I folded it up and I put it in my drawer. And
so I get my first job and working at a fast food
restaurant. My mom helps me get that job. It
only lasted for a short period of time, but just
long enough for me to get the second job. So
I get the second job and you had to have a job
when I was in high school because I was in the
DECA program and it's a marketing program and
a part of being in that program is that they
expect that you are learning financial responsibility,
and that you're gonna have to use money. And
they expect you to purchase things and they expect
you to do things. And so I was in that program
and I had to have a job. And then I meet my girl's
dad, my daughter's. I have three older daughters
and I met their dad. And so when I met him, I
was 18, he was 26, and he fit everything I wrote
down. But I wrote everything down in a foolish
young mind. And one of the things I wrote, I
said kind of religious and kind of you know this
or that and I was very vague and I wanted him
to be worldly because I remember I don't know
if you remember Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. Yes.
One of the things she said and I remember this
as a kid I used to watch them all the time that
she didn't want her life to be boring and that's
why she liked Jim because he gave her that sense
of, well, it's not going to be boring. And it
sure wasn't. I don't know if you know their story,
but it wasn't boring. And so I remember her saying
that. So I wrote my list, making sure that I
put enough worldly stuff in there that it wasn't
going to be boring. Physically, he fit the description.
He looked everything like what I drew. That's
the danger of, you know, being with God and asking
for stuff and then having the boldness to believe
you'll get it. So down to I drew a tattoo on
his chest a tattoo on his leg I drew his hairline
and even just the facial expressing the nose
everything all of it He looked exactly like my
drawing. That's amazing exactly like my drawing
and he walks in the door at my job and He starts
trying to talk to me which a lot of guys were
doing that I was a young lady and they were all
doing that and I was giving them bad phone numbers
I would just give him any number. But this guy,
I gave him my real phone number. Because he appealed
to my flesh, to my desire. Did you remember your
drawing when you saw him? Oh, well, you know
what? The drawing was tattooed in my mind. I
always drew this character. I always drew this
guy. Anytime I was drawing a guy, I always drew
this guy. And he looked exactly like that guy.
So when I seen him come in there, I thought,
well, maybe this is that guy or, you know, I
don't know what's going on. So later on, you
know, I get to know him a little bit and he gets
to pressuring me and wanting to do things. And
so a part of me said, well, I know this is not
right. I know this is not what God will have
for my life. But then the world part of me said,
this is how you get your life started. And so
I went that I went that pathway. And oh, my goodness.
I mean, it took me years, years to get back.
On the pathway where I could recognize what it
is that got half of my life. So I started off
and I had a daughter I got pregnant a year after
meeting him and I was afraid and I was thinking
about getting an abortion and I was scared So
I went into a clinic and I talked to a lady and
she was a faith It was a faith -based organization
that did pregnancy tests which those god bless
those places that do that. Yeah, thank god i'm
I mean honestly god bless those places that do
that because She didn't talk to me anything about
an abortion and I was talking to her about that
and I was crying and she said Well, hold on.
Why are you crying? And I said, well this man's
not a believer And I said mom my life is ruined
because I thought that's not gonna bless me for
this. This is terrible And she said well, wait
a minute. I was in your position. I was in your
shoes 19 years ago and She showed me a picture
of her daughter. She said this is my daughter
And she said, and it can be you too. You can
have a daughter. It doesn't have to be that.
And I was like, well, what do you mean? Why are
you saying that? You know, my life's over. And
she said, no, it doesn't have to be that way.
And she was right. And I thank God for her because
my daughter has been such a huge blessing for
me. And so having that little daughter, it made
me say, well, now I got to get myself together
because I can't be a loser. So I started going
to college, and I started going to church, started
taking my daughter to church. And it seemed like
the more I did those things, the more that ex
-husband would get really ramped up with me.
I mean, we had so much fighting, so much arguing.
He was fighting me for control over my spirit.
And I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I
would always say, why is it that you like hate
me? It felt like he hated me. But he didn't hate
me. He hated, like, the light in me. He wanted
it gone. He hated the Holy Spirit that was living
in you. Yes. It tormented the demons in him.
Oh, it did. It did. And so I had this belief
that, well, I don't want... Because my mom had...
We had different dads growing up, so me and my
two sisters and my brother that's closest to
me, we had the same dad, so that's four of us.
Then my two older brothers, they had two different
dads. And I always never, I never liked that
because it just didn't feel as cohesive. And
they had different ways of being. Me and my siblings
that were the same dad, we almost understood
each other without words. But my other two brothers,
there was always this distance between us. And
I remember how that felt. So I didn't want that.
So I said, well, I've already got the one child.
I might as well have, I wanted three daughters.
I might as well have the rest of them with him.
And it cost us doing that. And it cost us, so
my second daughter was born. And the pregnancy
was hard. Each pregnancy was hard because he
would always, you know, some men, not all men,
I learned this later, not all men, but some men,
when they sense that you're pregnant and you're
vulnerable, the attack ramps up. And the feeling
of being stuck, they kind of parade themselves
around over you, like you can't do anything,
you can't go anywhere. You're kind of stuck.
I still think that's demonic influence there
and you know, you know the enemy hates children
Yes, that's clearly is projecting his hate through
the people that he's he's manipulating Absolutely
Absolutely. And so what started to happen was
So me and my my two daughters now he would attack
us he would attack us and He would argue and
fight in front of them and my oldest daughter.
She was almost like the little filter for her
sister, she would protect her. She would try
to take her away from the argument, take her
in a different room. And she would listen and
she would be nervous. And, you know, my middle
daughter, she was first, she was just a little
sister, but then she became a middle daughter.
She would ignore it. She began to get numb to
all of it, which is very dangerous for children
to do. She just started getting numb to it. And
so then I had one more daughter. And one night
he was fighting me and, you know, It just kept
getting worse. I remember one lady at church
said to me, take this holy oil, put it on the
door of the house, put it on anything that he
touches. He was a video gamer, so I put it on
the video game controller. I put it on the back
door. I put it on the front door. And it seemed
like that oil caused him to hate me more and
fight me more. And I thought, this is terrible.
Why would I do this? I'm trying to do right.
I'm going to church and I'm going to school.
Why is this happening? God, I thought you wanted
me to be with this. I thought you wanted marriage.
And God said to me very clearly, I never told
you to pick that guy. You did that. And I was
like, huh? He said, yeah, I would never pick
that guy for you. And I was like, but God, you
know, we got you have a family. And he said,
that's not a family that I will put together.
Yes, you have daughters. But that's not a family.
That doesn't make it a family. And I thought,
whoa, what do you want me to do? He said, let
me ask you this. Would you want that for your
daughter? And I said, absolutely not. And he
said, well, how do you think I feel? How do you
think I feel? I never intended that for your
life. And not only did you keep going, you thought
that I would make a way for you to stay there.
And I was shocked. I mean, I was really shocked
by that. We mentioned in a previous podcast that
it's hard to hear the voice of God when your
mind is already made up of what he's going to
say. Yes, because you're trying to force God's
hand. And you're saying, God, you have to bless
this thing because I'm so invested. And he's
like, so what? You shouldn't have got your investments
over there. Yeah. And so I went to the pastor
and I was going to counsel with the pastor. I
said, well, let's just counsel. I tried to put
a bandaid on it. My God, you must not mean that,
God. Let me just put a bandaid on it. So we go
to the council to go counsel with the pastor
and the pastor says I'm up. I'm a pastor of reconciliation
I don't believe in divorce and I thought see
God look at that. See what I'm saying and God
said that's his mouth. That's not my mouth And
I thought well God who am I how am I supposed
to and I don't know where this lady says She
said I really wish the pastor would stop saying
that and she was just a lady in the church And
I thought I was listening to her. She says Everybody's
not like the pastor. Every man is not like the
pastor. The pastor's loved his wife since they
were eight years old. He's only been with her.
She said, every man is not like that. She said,
some of us, I like the Samaritan woman by the
well. And that stuck with me because the Samaritan
woman had five and she had none. And I thought,
what does that mean? Is the Samaritan woman some
type of a whore or is she sleeping with other
people's husband? I don't understand. It took
me years to get that. God makes husbands. You
can marry anybody. You can have a piece of paper
saying you own the Empire State Building. That
doesn't mean nothing. It's only God that can
make a husband. So if you marry five men, you
just marry five men and none of them are husbands.
And so it took my little daughter, my third daughter,
being traumatized by one of our crazy fights.
for me to finally listen to God and remove us
from that. And God told me that I needed a move
to Indiana. And it was, my mom had lived in Indiana
at that time and I had visited her a few times
and, oh my God, it was too lame according to
how I felt. They didn't have enough going on.
I was in the Chicagoland area. I had a good job
I liked. And I said, God, I'm not moving to the
cornfields. And he said, well, then you're gonna
bypass your blessing. And so God wouldn't let
me, though. So I go to sleep, and God gives me
this vision of me. I'm almost like Goldilocks
and the Three Bears. I'm looking for a house,
because at the time I was looking for a house,
because me and my husband were divorcing. But
I was looking for a house, and I didn't want
to take the children too far away from them.
And so every house I went to in that dream, they
were all bad. There was something good about
them, but there was something bad, and I just
couldn't get it. And that's literally what happened.
Every single house I bid on, I couldn't get it.
And one day I'm just in my car crying and I call
my mom and I said, I feel like I'm spinning my
wheels. And she says, come out here. And it sounds
really appealing, but you know, I'm too grown
and I can't give up on my stuff I'm doing. And
I just didn't want to leave my church and everything
I had going on. And so I started praying about
it. And then the next thing you know, I go to
that pastor, the one that blew his breath on
me when I was 13. Now this is about maybe about
15 years later, about 15 years later. So I go
to him, he's still an anointing man of God, never
gotten married, still a virgin, still out here
doing the work of God. Everybody knew he was
a virgin because he just never did anything.
And he thought, well, what's going on with this
guy? But I go to his church and I tell him, hey,
God's telling me that I need to move and I need
to go here. And it's this much of a journey to
get there. I got this raggedy old van, and I
don't think it's gonna make it, and I don't know
what's gonna happen if I move out there, and
he just prayed over me, and he told me, God's
telling me, your van's gonna be fine, and you're
gonna be fine. And I was like, okay, well, I
guess that's all the confidence I need, you know,
to still belong to the van of God, and he's really
telling me that, you know, you gotta move on.
I get in my van, and I move on, and God just
started blessing me. Just started blessing me
crazy. I Got a great job. I found the perfect
house. I was able to provide stability for my
my girls and then I met my husband and That showed
me he said to me when I met my husband. He said
Alice you've been doing what you want to do Let
me blossom this flower for you and he had to
say that to me because you can't force a flower
to blossom You can pick at those pedals all you
want to but it's not gonna happen until it's
the right time and So I thought oh man, I don't
know. I don't know about that guy, you know,
cuz I when I met my husband he's in the nation
of Islam and I'm a believer and I thought no
this doesn't mix. Well But God said let me do
this for you You don't get to control it. So
I accepted it and God has been showing me through
Him and through life that He's in control ever
since. So all the bad experience that I had and
that I had to go through, I had to go through
it to appreciate where God's taking me to today.
So like what I said at the top of the honor that
I had on two more little children, I never experienced
such stress -free pregnancies and so much help
and partnership and so much, I don't know. I
never even wanted to have a son because I was
afraid of a man turning out to be kind of like
what I've experienced. But my last little baby
is a boy. And I was so happy because my husband
was the man that I thought in my heart. And I
said this to God, I said, you know, I wouldn't
mind having a baby version of him. I had already
had my daughters. And I said, I wouldn't mind
that. He's really shown me. That one experience
is not the experience. And by just having that
little bit of faith, you know, I look at the
ultrasound and I'm like, hey, that doesn't look
like a girl. And it's a little baby boy. So I
thank God for keeping his hand on me as I journeyed
through everything. You know, it sounds like
even even in your. Unbeknownst to you disobedience
when you married your first husband that God
still blessed you through it with your daughters
Yes, and and gave you the strength and continue
to try to reach out to you And I think that's
incredible that you can recognize it now You
know and it makes me wonder that if you look
Hindsight you said when you first moved out of
the projects there was like a culture shift a
huge culture shift, you know, obviously But was
there also like a spiritual shift that you detected?
Like was like, you know The enemy sense has agenced
over different areas in different places and
and they attack and harm and harass us And and
I just wondered if you noticed that was a shift
spiritually as well like like people are are
more depressed or more lonely or more downtrodden
in depressed areas because The holy spirit hasn't
a lot of maneuverability there Oh my god. I'm
glad you said that because you're right That
is one of the things that as a child, you don't
notice it. But asking that question, I'm looking,
I'm thinking like, you know what? There was death
around us in the projects and we were used to
it. It's almost like growing up with dead bodies
and you just play around them. And that is what
happened. There were people that ended up getting
killed. And I remember seeing the blood stains
in a window of an apartment building. We used
to say, oh, that lady died there. You know, children
knowing things they shouldn't know. But then
we moved to the suburban area. I mean, it was
the first time that we sat down and played with
dolls in the yard. There was a little girl that
lived next door to us. And she had every kind
of Barbie. And she had every kind of, you know,
she was just so excited to see little kids. And
she was a nice little white girl. And I say that
because the area we lived in had to be 70 % white
population. And so her parents weren't racist.
And she came to the fence and said, hey, do you
want to play with my dogs? And our energy shifted,
because we were like, play with your dogs. We
weren't used to that. You know, what's up with
this? And so she brought them all out. She brought
everything out, and we just sat there, and we
were just playing with our dogs. And I remember
that time. It was almost nighttime and her mom
was calling her in for dinner and the energy
felt so pure and so good. We just that night,
me and my sisters, we just laid in the grass
and thought, wow, I don't think I want to be
a bad grown up. You know, we never thought about
it, but we're like, I don't think I'm going to
be a bad grown up. I think I want to be this
kind of grown up. Do things like this. Lay in
the grass and. You know, you can go have dinner.
You don't have to do much. And we were used to,
in the project area, there was always people
outside, always people outside. In the suburb,
it's nighttime, it's crickets. And that was the
first time we heard crickets. And we're like,
what's that sound? And so you're right. The spirit
energy shifted. That's how my mom was able to
immediately find a church. and find my stepdad
and the teachers were a little bit more patient
with you and it definitely was a shift. Praise
God. It's like by replanting you, he planted
a seed that he watered. Yes. Through all of your
young adult life. Even when you were in the moments
of shade where you weren't growing quite right,
he still was able to put that breeze on you with
that pastor's breath. Right. He was able to nurture
you in a way that you could not comprehend. Absolutely.
And I think about the parable of the of the sower
seeds and how God, he took them and we had different
ones land in different ground. And some had good
ground and they just grew up and, you know, they
were able to bring forth more good fruit. And,
you know, I think about my siblings. We're not
all in the ministry, but I don't know why, with
me seeing my mom do everything she did, I love
God in a way that I knew I couldn't let God go.
But I wanted to see what the world was about.
So I thank God that whatever He gave me, wherever
He planted me, He said, don't let me go. You'll
be fine, but you're going to go through some
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you. I thank God for God loving me enough to
take me out of the projects because the statistics
in the area that I was growing up in, they weren't
good. We didn't even touch high school, let alone,
you know, it was a lot of teenage moms. It was
a lot of not finishing high school. It was a
lot of, I mean, I'm an adapter at program. That
was not a statistic that was a part of that upbringing.
Before we recorded, you were mentioning that
now you're a coach and it seems like you're using
all your past to be able to help others. Do you
want to go into a little bit about what God has
you going into now? Oh my gosh, thank you for
giving me an opportunity to talk about that.
So now I have a coaching consulting and case
management business and that's really opening
up a lot of doors for me with that. When I came
out here to Indiana, all I had was ideas. And
I went to an innovation center and I pitched
my idea, won $5 ,000 just for the pitch. I didn't
do anything. It just was the idea. And that was
God telling me, this is good what you're doing.
I took that money. I took that money and I bought
a piece of land. And now I'm in the process of
having a modular office building put on the land
so I can start doing case management out of that
building. I've been able to coach and consult
with people. I just got a call the other day
from a young man who got fired from a job. And
I only know him because my modular building is
on the land where, you know, he worked there
and I would pay to keep it over there. And so
he called me and I'm thinking, oh, this is Evan.
He's going to want to know about, you know, what's
my plan. We're getting the building off the land.
I'm already, I'm in the process and I've got
my permit and everything. So I'm ready to give
him my spiel about, okay, hey, Evan, you know,
this is going on. He says, no. I called you because
I wanted to ask you some information. And I thought,
oh, okay, wow, okay. He really needed, he needed
coaching and he needed mentoring. And when he
got off the call, he was so thankful that he
called me because he was down on himself. And
although I do, you know, consulting and coaching
as far as business and job employment and career
growth and things like that, he really needed
to know that he was not garbage, that he was
not thrown away. His company had fired him, and
he felt really thrown away. And the way that
God was able to put the word to my mouth, and
it totally shifted the conversation. One of the
things I said to him was, you no longer sell
your time for money, so get that out of your
mind. You exchange your time for resources and
opportunities of great. And he said, wow. He
said, do you have a TikTok? Or are you making
content? And I said, no. I said, no, I'm not
making any content. He said, that sounds like
something that will go viral. I'm like, well,
I'm not trying to go viral. But what I am trying
to do is accumulate resources for people. So
I will start making some YouTube videos just
to help people navigate circumstances and situations.
I find that God is just always putting me in
situations where I can do that. You know, I worked
for many years as a business developer. Helping
people see the opportunities in the space is
what led to the success. I became a go -to gal
for all things. I was helping my business connect
partnerships that they didn't have. And God showed
me by doing that, this is what I want you to
do. And I thought, well, there's no way, God,
there's no way that I can make you know, good
money doing this. I need to go back and go back
and get another certificate because I'm a person
that loves education. And that's another thing
that was not statistically possible from my background
that I came from. Education, come on. That just
wasn't the thing. So I became a long -term care
administrator. And God let me do that. And I
made the most money I've ever made. And he said,
I don't want you doing that. And he kept saying,
go back to this. So now I've gone back to this.
And I'm in the process of closing, like I said,
getting my building put in place. And here I
am talking to you guys and really solidifying,
because sometimes God don't have you say it out
loud. It's that we say it in a way that confirms
it with you that this is what you're supposed
to be doing. So that's what I get to do now.
Wow. What a journey. And the thing is, it gets
even sweeter. So while I'm on the pathway to
get my doctorate degree, I had to have a cognate
and I thought, well, you know, I'm in adult education.
What is it that I need? And God tells me, study
behavior. So I study behavior. And now I'm in
the process of getting my ABA to become a board
certified behavior analyst. Well, that's a part
of the business structure. That's a part of what
I get to do. I get to help people acquire skills
and transition from a place that's not working
for them to a place that is working for them.
And so. I'm just, I feel so blessed that that
God is calling me to continue to serve people.
It reminds me of that phrase, you know, God doesn't
call the qualified, he qualifies the called.
And it sounds like he started with your mom,
right? You said she had an eighth grade education
and she had all these opportunities. And then
she went into ministry and he gave her a ministry
man. Yep. And then you. continue this journey
with all the doubts that you have, right? Like,
am I the person for this? Like, you know what
I've done in my past. And he's like, yeah, I
know what I'm doing a little bit more than we
do. Exactly. Exactly. I love that you say that
because I had no qualifications to do what I
was doing. So when I became a business development
director, my background was case management.
So I had gotten my bachelor's degree, and I was
a case manager. I'm that person that comes to
help seniors get services put in your house.
I knock on your door, you may have an appointment,
and we're going to set you up with a call button.
We're going to set you up with in -home aid,
maybe some perform wills, maybe a medication
reminder. And that was me, and I loved it. And
I thought, well, when I was moving to Indiana,
I'll just do that again. And so I get to Indiana
and they say, no, you have to have like a social
service degree. I had a bachelor's in healthcare
administration. And I thought, well, it's along
the same lines. And they said, no, it really
has to be this. And so I thought, well, my degree
is not garbage. So what do I do? So I took any
job. I became an activity aide and God told me,
no, you need to advance yourself. Sometimes you
get comfortable. And what was happening was the
company was being bought out. And they said,
you know, all the activity aides are going to
have to become CNAs, which are certified nurses
aides. And I thought, no, I've done that work
before. I'm not doing that. That's changing bedpans
and diapers. And I just wasn't comfortable with
that level of care. I understand that completely.
So guys said, well, then you need to go. So I
started searching for opportunities. And there
was this business director position, or it was
a marketing admissions person. And so from there,
I started doing really well at what I was doing
and got recruited, got recruited into my development
position. Somebody said, Alice is doing a real
good job over there. You need a person like that
in your building. That's how you're going to
get your beds filled. I'm just the work of the
Lord. And I always had this model that I don't
work for people. I work unto the Lord. I always
had that because I knew God was real and I knew
that people are limited in what they can see
you do. And also as a case manager, I wasn't
in an office. It was a field position. So there's
no way my boss could know what I was doing. And
there's no way that they could reward me for
what I was doing. So I was working to the Lord
and said, well, God knows. God sees me. Was that
about the point where you realized without a
doubt that God's hand was in your life? Or did
you figure that out a little sooner? You know,
when that guy blew his breath on me, That was
good for me because I knew I knew my spirit.
I knew I didn't want that to happen. So I knew
that God had his hand in my life, but I didn't
know what that meant because remember, I grew
up around a lot of carnal Christians and they
said the same thing. Oh, God's got me and oh,
you know, oh, you know, he, he helped me. I found
two dollars in my prayers and oh, you know, they
were just really those people that Although they
were showing and shouting and doing thankful
things, you would look at them outside of the
church and they might be having an affair. They
might be, you know, smoking and hanging out with
the people that you know they shouldn't have
been smoking and hanging out with. So I knew
God was real. I knew God called people to do
things. But I thought, but they're mixing it
with their own thing too. So maybe I need to
mix it with my own thing too. So that's what
led me to thinking, okay, this first husband,
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to the show. anything that you can think of that
you shouldn't be doing, this man was trying to
get me to do it. I would have had about three
or four felonies if I listened to his influence.
But God wouldn't let me. God would not let me.
He would tell me, absolutely not, absolutely
not, daughter. And I'd say, you know, I'd tell
him, I'm not doing that. And he was like, he
would balk against my spirit. Like, who does
she think she is? Why won't she do these things?
I want to do them. And it's like, no, I'm not
doing that. And so then when I started going
to church, sometimes he'd come to church, but
he would only come there to laugh at the people
as they shout or make fun of things and just
play real light and coy. And what he started
doing was giving my daughters a spirit of, ha
ha, church is funny, God's not real. And so he
started really just watering it down, trying
to take the power out. And I wouldn't let him
do it. God told me, nope. No, protect this thing.
And it's something that you don't let him do
that. And so when he started all that, I would
say, hey, you know what? If you don't want to
come to church, that's fine. We'll just go to
church. And then my little daughter started saying,
not my oldest one, the one in the middle. She
started saying, I don't want to go to church.
I want to stay home with dad. And I said, absolutely
not. You go to church. And so certain things,
God just wouldn't let me let go of. Even though
I was a lukewarm Christian, he wouldn't let me
let go. He wouldn't let me let go at all. He
was like, you hold on to this because this is
the only thing that's going to keep you from
going all the way to. I mean, my whole story,
my dad wasn't a church person. My mom was in
the church, but she had a lot of things that
she still hadn't overcome. And so she was kind
of a lukewarm Christian. You know, she was the
kind of Christian that you could see her doing
amazing things for God, but then she's got a
boyfriend. You know, after things didn't work
out with stepdad, she's got a boyfriend. Or,
you know, she's this amazing Christian and she's
got this beautiful voice. She also was singing
songs that had nothing to do with God. You know
what I'm saying? So it will water things down
to a point where it's like, okay, God let you
mix things together. Because my mom still looked
blessed. She still was taken care of. God still
was doing amazing things in her life. She even
went back and went to school. You know, she ended
up getting a GED and going and getting a college
degree. Yeah, so I was like, okay, well then,
you know, God will make things happen. And, you
know, you don't really got to worry too much.
But God was telling me, no, no, I'm calling you
to see all these things so you can realize I
truly want you. And I don't want you with the
world's special blend. I want you and I want
you to remove all that stuff. When God says be
in the world, but not of the world. That's what
he means. And I didn't know that. So I think
the whole time that had his hand on me, but he
allowed me to see how far things can go and how
bad they can go. If you're a carnal lukewarm
Christian mixing things together, it's almost
like witchcraft because you want that, but you
want the power. You want the good stuff. You
don't want to surrender. And so God needed me
to surrender because my husband that I have now,
he hit my surrender. Makes him kind of Christian.
Okay. Well, what's what's going on here? And
you know, he kind of looks and says What's going
on here? And so, you know how the Bible talks
about how you can be a witness by just living
your life That's what God has me doing right
now. He just has me living my life And you're
probably like what's going on with you? Why are
you so happy? What's going on? And then that
that's when I get an opportunity to witness like
hey I don't know about you, but this is this
is what I got That's exactly right And that's
it. So that, so there it is. That's what, you
know, that's what God's been doing. He's been,
He's been letting me see why the people that,
and you can look at the carnal Christians. I
don't know if you guys know any of them, but
they don't get the glory. They don't get the
glory and God's not getting the glory out of
their life. I want to highlight something that
you mentioned that surrender. That's usually
when the breakthrough comes is when you're in
that moment of surrender like I can't do this
anymore I need your help God and that's where
he showed up on the day I got healed of 17 years
of chronic neck and shoulder pain and I was just
at the end of my rope and I was like Told my
husband I'm like you gotta pray and lay hands
and they did and there's a whole story behind
it But I was healed and it was just that that
surrender can be so powerful It's just contradictory,
but everything in the kingdom is upside down.
It doesn't make sense to us. His ways are higher
and we just keep learning more and more. Absolutely.
Absolutely. And when you say surrender, it makes
me think about, you know, Satan and how Satan
would not surrender. And if you think about the
spirit of the world, that's all it is, is a spirit
of rebellion. It doesn't want to surrender. It
wants to be its own Lord. You know, and one of
the things that God had to show me on my journey
was that He wishes nobody to perish and nobody
to, you know, to be cast out. And I study a lot
of esoteric knowledge and I study a lot about
Satanist and Satanism because to me, it's like,
it's the craziest thing to give all your power
and energy to Satan. That's faith still. That's
faith and just the wrong thing. And so I've always
puzzled with that. And so God led me to this
book. I don't know if you've ever read it, but
it's called He Came to Set the Captives Free.
And in this book, it's a lady's tale about how
she was deep into Satanism. And God just happened
to send this medical professional into her life
based on a lot of the elements and a lot of the
interactions she had with the hospital. I think
she also became a nurse or something like that.
And so I didn't know. I didn't know that, you
know, in the Satanist movement, there are a lot
of people that are kind of positioned and employed
in different industries because there's a hold
on people's spirit there, and they can do a lot
of work there. And so with the Satanists, one
of the things that they say is that I'd rather
be in hell free than be a servant up there. Oh,
yeah, yeah. Better to reign in hell than to serve
in heaven. Like, you're not reigning there, buddy.
You're not reigning. That's an illusion. And
so when I read this, I said, oh, these people
are done, God. And he said, no, Halis, they're
not. And I said, well, what about because the
story gets real deep into like vampirism and
werewolves and stuff. I said, what about these
that are giving themselves over that they physically
transform? He said, I want them to. I said, God,
are you kidding me? He said, no, I'm not. He
said, just like I saved you, and I took you out
of that bad situation, I would love to do the
same thing with them. They're not garbage. And
I'm like, they're not? What about these celebrities
who do all these rituals? He said, I want them
to. I was like, wow. Think of Jonah in the city
of Nineveh, right? He wanted that whole city
not to perish. And look at the lengths he did,
just so Jonah would go the right direction. Yes.
And that's the type of guy we serve. That's what
makes me say, okay, God, I'll go to distance
because I know personally that the journey God's
taking me on to take me out of the projects and
to plant me in some suburbs where everything
was safe. We weren't hearing no gunshots. We
weren't scared to go outside. Nothing. God took
us and put us in absolute safety. Green grass,
green pasture. And when he says it, you know,
he leads me beside the still water. He takes
me to Green Pastures. He literally did that for
me. And I know how that feels. I know how that
feels. When we got in that car, the last day
that we were in the project and we were going
to the suburbs, we had no idea what was happening
because my mom didn't tell us things. She just
wanted surprises. And so we get in the car and
this was back in the day when you could be in
the station wagon and you could lay in the back
and you'd have to be in a car seat or whatever.
Laying in the back, looking out the window. We
were just watching as we were used to being in
the city. So we were seeing all the city sites
fade away. And we were like, what is happening
here? We saw power lines fade away and turn into
all these trees. And we were like, where are
we going? Then we see corn fields. And we're
like, whoa, wait a minute. Where are we going?
And God planted us in a new reality. And it's
like he did it again when he told me. Get out
of there and come to Indiana and I'm like not
the cornfields God and he's like yes the cornfields
again, I'm gonna bless you through the cornfields
and I had a dream about that before I moved,
you know, I had a dream that I was on the highway
and you know, sometimes in your dreams you're
I was moving and I had all my children on my
back and we were going and Next to you know,
my car turns into a big wheel and we're pedaling
hard and we're going and here are these cornfields
And I thought, uh -uh, there's no way my big
will is going to fit through this cornfield.
And God's like, over there on the other side,
that's where you're going to be. And I thought,
God, what are you showing me? I don't want to
be in the cornfield. And the blessings were on
the other side. My house was over there. My children's
safety was over there. And I could see it. And
even right now, the business that I'm starting,
it was over there. And I could see it. And I
thought. Oh, man, God, I don't know if I can
get over there through these. And, you know,
in your mind, you're trying to rationalize it.
But what about this big well? How is it going
to fit through the cornfields? And can I even
peddle? And what if I get stuck in mud and all
this stuff that runs through your mind? And God
said, don't worry about that. Wow. You know,
it seems like the enemy has really seen the anointing
in your life, and that's why he attacked as much
as he did. Kind of like the story of Job. You
know, what about her? I bet if I did this to
her, she wouldn't follow you. And look where
you stand now, on top of it, with beautiful children,
well -adjusted, happy children, in safety, understanding
the protection of the Lord, understanding the
love of the Lord, understanding the mercy and
grace of the Lord, that He has more than brought
you out of the sinister times, that He has more
than brought you out of... The dark times that
he's brought into a place where you could just
share him with others and with authenticity Right.
This isn't just something that you read out of
the bible and you're like, hey, this is me. I'm
all happy This is something you experienced Exactly,
you know, i'm glad that you say that because
I think about my oldest daughter and i'm a grandmother
I have two little grand babies. My daughter just
had a baby. He's almost three months And I have
one my son -in -law He saw my daughter one of
the things my daughter Whenever she got upset
or emotional, she would listen to the Bible.
She always wanted to listen to the Bible. And
so when she was pregnant, he would be like, what
can I do to calm me down? She's like, put on
the Bible. So the more she started doing that,
he started realizing this is actually working.
What is with this Bible? And so she started letting
him know that, you know, this is a part of my
life and it's important to me. And I'm not trying
to force you to do anything, but I just want
you to know this is important to me. And he started
seeing the power of it. And then one time he
was, they were having a disagreement and you
know, the concepts of, of, of God and religion
were so abstracted. He thought it was just like
pie in the sky. Jesus was like, okay, there's
this big happy Santa in the sky and he's going
to give you gifts. And I have to let him know.
That's not the way it works. Because when God
makes you a testimony and when God makes you
a believer, there's nobody that can come along
and say anything to change it. There's nothing
that can happen that'll change it. You know the
truth. You're not just a believer of it, but
you are a knower. And so I was explaining the
concept of faith to him. And I said, you today
could do things that will make your tomorrow
and the man that you'll be in five years, 10
years better. You today can make a reality that
that man can walk into, that you don't see it.
You don't see it today. But if you believe it
and you take the first step, that's what faith
is. Faith is, I don't know what my tomorrow is,
what I believe. I said, do you believe that you
can be the business owner you want to be? And
he said, yeah, I believe it. I said, well, the
person today. has to not only believe it, but
make steps towards it because that's how much
you believe it. You can't just believe it in
your heart. It has to be with your works as well.
You have to walk in that direction. Give God
something to bless. Right. And so that woke him
up inside. And he remembered it. And he said,
that's the first time somebody explained it to
him where he could understand it. He didn't know
faith was believing you can be that tomorrow
person. He thought faith was this blind walk
people have where they just believe whatever
the Bible says. And I'm like, yeah and no, because
the Bible is a book about people and their relationship
with God. And a lot of those people didn't have
a Bible. They had a relationship and God wants
to relate with you. So yes, we believe what the
Bible says, but we believe the testimonies of
individuals that interacted with that God and
their faith that led them to walk. I mean, you're
talking about the lion's den kind of faith. You're
talking about Shairach, Meshach, and Abednego
kind of faith. You're talking about Abraham and
the ram in the bush kind of faith. That's what
these people are trying to convey to us. And
not only is this a God that you can believe,
but this is a God that shows up and puts the
ram in the bush. If you just will believe and
walk, if you would just believe and make that
movement. So my relationship with God is not
one that is so abstract or so holy that people
can't, that God's out of reach. God is within
your reach. And my daughter, she tells me how
much she's thankful for me, you know, not giving
up and to continue to grow and show her the relationship
with God. She said that, you know, when she was
a little kid, I didn't notice this, but she said
when she was a little kid. and I'll take her
to church and I'm writing in the Bible and I'm
writing my notes and stuff. She said that she
would pretend to do it too because she thought
one day I'm going to be doing it too and I'm
going to be. And so here she is now, a believer.
And she bought her husband a Bible and it's a
study Bible and she studies the Bible with him.
And sometimes he'll take time out of his day
to study the Bible. To me that means so much
to me because he has a desire to want to know
God. And it's not because somebody was jumping
around and showing him some church activity.
It was because someone was using the word to
sustain and to grow and using the word in a way
that he could relate to. How incredible, you
know, now three generations of Christians going
on for all blessed. from the one act of obedience,
all blessed from the one act and repeated acts.
I'm really very thankful to have heard your story
and to have you on our podcast today. You are
clearly blessed, chosen and favored by God. Clearly,
there's no doubt in my mind. I just, you know,
with closing, just pray that you continue to
step forward in faith with Him and that He continues
to bless you and your entire family for the rest
of your existence. Oh, man. Thank you so much.
I really appreciate that. I mean, we are just
walking by faith and I just appreciate that.
Thank you so much. You are quite welcome. You
were clearly a blessing to others and you were
blessed as evidence. Thank you. Thank you. You
guys are a blessing to me, allowing me to come
here and share my story, share my testimony.
You know, I was really kind of nervous about
what to say, but it sounds like God has had his
way and and was able to convey the message that's
in my heart, but I have so much to share because
God has overflowed me, but I didn't want to,
I don't want to go too far into different different
areas, but just hold on to God. That's the best
thing you can hold on to. And that's my message.
Don't ever let God go for nothing. There's nothing
in this world worth letting God go for. Amen.
Amen. Thank you so much. Thank you for that,
Alice. And we hope this has been a blessing to
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