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When I read this, I said, oh, these people aren't

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done, God. And he said, no, Alice, they're not.

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And I said, well, what about because the story

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gets real deep into like vampireism and werewolves

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and stuff. I said, what about these that are

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giving themselves over that they physically transformed?

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He said, I want them to. I said, God, are you

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kidding me? He said, no, I'm not. He said, just

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like I saved you and I took you out of that bad

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situation, I would love to do the same thing

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with them. They're not garbage. And I'm like,

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they're not. What about these celebrities who

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do all these rituals?" He said, I want them to.

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Hey there, welcome to the God's Goodness podcast.

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We are your host, Josh and Shelly Hankins, and

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we're here to share real stories of God's power,

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stories of hope, healing, and miracles that will

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strengthen your faith. No matter what you're

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walking through, we want to remind you that God

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is good and he's still moving today. Let's dive

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in. Welcome back to the God's Goodness podcast.

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We are here with a special guest. She was introduced

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to me by Teresa Hamilton, a former two -time

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guest on our show. Today we have with us Alice

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Muhammad, and she's going to share a little bit

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of her testimony and how God worked through her

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life and is still working. And we just pray that

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it has a message that you need to hear at this

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time. And we'd like to welcome Alice to the show.

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Thank you so much, Shelly and Josh. I appreciate

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that you guys will have me on today. Would you

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start us off with an opening prayer, Alice? Absolutely.

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I just want to say, Father God, in the name of

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Jesus, we come here today of one mind and one

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purpose, and that is to glorify and uplift you.

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Please guide us Lord God with our words with

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our intention with our heart So that we can reach

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the people that you have this message for today

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we thank you for how you have brought us through

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so many storms and that you continue to bring

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us through and It is not for us to boast because

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no man can boast for the work that you do Lord

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God and we just thank you for your Patience your

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grace your love and your mercy in Jesus name.

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We'll pray Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you for

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that. So Alice, where would you like to start

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with your story? So my story starts, I guess

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I want to say it starts early in Illinois. I'm

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originally from Illinois. I currently live in

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Indiana. And in Illinois, we grew up in like

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a project area. I think it was about maybe in

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kindergarten, first grade. We were in a project

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area and life was kind of rough. You know, back

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in that day, so about the early 80s. Fast forward,

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my mom gets into a program that is a integration

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program. At this time she was a believer, but

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she had my mom has her own testimony, so I won't

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go into it too much, but I'll just say this.

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She had enough faith and enough belief to walk

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and go places that you know her life and the

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way it was set up did not align for that. She

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believed beyond what society kind of set up for

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her that she could have this twice. I come from

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a family at that time, it was six of us, three

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boys, three girls. So I have three older brothers.

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Like the Brady Bunch. Right, right. And it was

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myself and then I had two younger sisters. So

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we were stair steps and we were like the Brady

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Bunch. But my mom was a single mom. And she'd

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been going through some things. Although she

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was married to my father, he was not a father

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in the sense that his presence made any difference

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in our lives. He just kind of was a person that

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had his own struggles and he was kind of in and

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out. So at the time when my mom got into this

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program, it was a pilot program in Illinois that

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was seeking to integrate certain areas. And it

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was a housing program. She didn't hesitate to

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sign up for this program because again, she was

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like a single mom, even though she was married.

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So this program took us from Chicago, South Side

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projects to West suburban area where it was at

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the goal the well the rules the program you had

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to be 70 % a white community so Here we work

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in the culture shock moving from an area that

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we were very familiar to to an area that we weren't

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but it was God's design It was God's design and

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you know a lot of times, you know as a child

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you might buck up against things, but It was

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God's design. So we were very receptive of this

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this environment and again my mom not having

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a lot of resources, I had to provide a lot for

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us. And so I saw a guy from the beginning doing

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all this as a little kid. And I knew that my

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mom couldn't do these things. I knew she couldn't

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do them. So we ended up in this big, beautiful

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house. It was a five -bedroom house, and it was

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perfect for us. This program had some specifications

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about girls and boys sharing rooms and... She

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just couldn't find the house that she needed.

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And it took forever and a day. And I think it

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was the last day of this program where I was

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going to expire. And somebody just had this house

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available. And so we ended up moving into it.

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And the person that owned the house, they knew

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we were coming. And I mean, they set up some

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toys in the basement and it was God. It was just

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God because these things aren't normal and they

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usually don't happen this way. And so... We come

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out there and we're in the suburbs and the education

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program is better than what we were used to.

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And we were meeting people that we hadn't met

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and everything just changed. And with that shift,

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my mom was really going into the ministry. And

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so we ended up meeting, well, she ended up meeting,

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who will soon be our stepdad. And so this gentleman,

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he, I bless his heart, never had any kids, but

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he was willing to take on this single mom with...

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six kids. Wow. That was amazing and another stuff

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again, but again, you know, God does these things.

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And so with this housing program, you know, it

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was temporary. It wasn't a permanent thing. And

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so the owner wanted to sell the house. They were

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done with the program. And for whatever reason,

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they just wanted to sell the house. And what

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that would mean for us was relocating. We have

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to go to another house and they'd have to accept

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the program and, you know, yada, yada, yada.

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We'd lose our school district. We'd lose everything.

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And so this stepdad comes in and he says, you

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know, I don't want you to lose your house. And

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so this man goes to 19 banks and gets turned

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down. He goes to the 20th bank and they say,

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okay, we'll give you a mortgage. And so he ends

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up saving the house, which was huge for us because

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we were able to plant roots and that wasn't typical

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for us. My mom had a background where she was

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very transient and she was kind of moving around.

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You know, she didn't have a lot of resources.

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She had at the time an eighth grade education.

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And so there weren't a lot of opportunities for

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her. So when this man came in, he also wanted

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to be in the ministry because that's where they

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had met at the church. And so we started off

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doing like a little ministry of our own where

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we'd go around and we'd sing at churches, the

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three boys and three girls, we'd sing at churches.

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And then he wanted to start a ministry in the

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basement of the house. Well, then that kind of

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opened things up and we met a lot of people and

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saw a lot of things. And, you know, growing up,

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seeing people in the ministry, it has its own

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magic. You can see God's hand, you can see God

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moving and doing things. And I always love to

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see my mom praying for people, seeing their lives

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change. Seeing Holy Spirit come into the room,

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you could see that almost palpable as a kid,

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you could see the difference. So sometimes my

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mom would be there and she'd be singing and doing

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things and you know nothing would happen. And

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then all of a sudden you could feel like this

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movement come through where you know people were

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being touched and they would just start crying

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and then you know everything would just start

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moving around. And so I saw God from a very early

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age and I remembered hearing about the Comforter.

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and how the comforter comes into your life and,

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you know, can help you and lead you and guide

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you. So as a little kid, I asked for that. I

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said, man, I want that. I said, I don't know

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what that means, but I want that. I want the

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comforter. I want the comforter to help me make

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decisions because I don't know what I'm doing.

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So asking for that as a little kid, to me is

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like a big deal. It was a big deal. I was probably

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like maybe eight or nine years old when I asked

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for that. It really changed things for me. You

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know, I saw kids getting bullied and I saw things

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happening and they weren't happening to me. And

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we weren't, we didn't have any money. So, you

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know, in that community, you could get picked

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on for wearing the wrong shoes or looking too

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poor or whatever, but that wasn't happening for

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us. And my mom, she always kept the ministry.

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So she got on the public access channel and she

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would always do like a show, like a prayer show.

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She actually gave our personal number out. as

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a prayer line, we would get calls all day and

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night. Wow. People calling that because they

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were running the shows anytime. And we get calls

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all the time. And so then we got the reputation

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of being church kids. And, you know, you could

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get made fun of for that, too. But it gave me

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a boldness. I was like, so what? So what? And

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it made me feel, you know, normally as a kid,

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you feel... Like left out you had that FOMO fear

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of missing out. You feel like I don't want to

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be isolated But it gave me a boldness because

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I realized in the church My mom was amazing and

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she was getting all these accolades, but the

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people outside the church They didn't know that

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and almost like a it's like a Superman dual personality

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thing where you know I know that this is great

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and I know we're great. You guys just don't know

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it So so what and that's what I added to us So

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what I think that's how people can be bold for

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Christ when you know, you know You can get really

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excited because there's some really exciting

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things that can happen And that's the thing I

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was seeing so much and I thought you guys don't

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know what you're talking about Yeah, you said

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things were happening Were you seeing miracles

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there those times? Oh my gosh. I've seen I've

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seen all kinds of things a person literally kind

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of having a demonic manifestation come out of

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them. It was strange stuff, really strange stuff

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all the time, and I knew that it was real, and

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nobody could convince me otherwise. Hey there,

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listeners. A while back, I had a brutal four

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for themselves. Now back to the show. So having

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that identity in God as a little kid, you would

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think I would just be like, oh, I'll fire for

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God. But when I got to be a teenager, it was

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like, you know, I've seen so many carnal Christians

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and I was like, you know, yeah, I guess it's

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real. But, you know, what is what's up with these

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people? Why aren't they satisfied? Why do they

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keep going back to the world? There must be something

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there. You know, and so they kind of, it turned

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my attention away from what was happening and

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what I knew to be true to say, yeah, but if it's

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all that great, then why are these people, you

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know, still struggling? Because the church I

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grew up in, there was always testimonies and

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testimonials and people would get up and tell,

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you know, how they were drug dealers and how

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they were this and they were that and God brought

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them out of it. And I say to myself, well, I

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haven't done any of those things. Maybe I need

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to do some things before God can really do some

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with me. Yeah, you're like, I'm just boring.

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I'm just this boring Christian person and maybe

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I haven't lived enough. And that was really,

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oh my goodness. It took me on a journey just

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that thought. So when I was about 13, there was

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a pastor and this guy was really anointed. I

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mean, really, really anointed. He kind of grew

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up with my brother. So he was young. He was probably

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in his 20s. And he was a virgin guy. And he was

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just so consecrated guy, because they used to

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make fun of him and say, oh, you know, this guy,

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you know. And so it was an attitude of, yeah,

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we were in the church, but you know, our preacher's

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children are, we always kind of looking at, well,

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these are the no -no things to do. Why are they

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no -nos? So you're asking the wrong questions

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and you're looking at the wrong stuff. So this

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guy was getting a rep for being, you know, preacher's

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kid who Just didn't do anything. And so he was

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at a church one time and they were doing a revival.

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And I was sitting in the audience because my

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mom was always doing such, she was an evangelist

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and she would go around and preach. And I mean,

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she used to have a ministry where she'd go to

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the missions and preach and I always seen her

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preaching. And so he was up and she just called

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me out the audience and said, you go up there

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and give prayer. And I had a funky little teenage

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attitude. I didn't want to do it. I was like,

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oh man, she's going to embarrass me. Sometimes

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they do that in my church. I don't know about

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you guys, but I was church of God in Christ.

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And whenever the spirit moved, that's when you

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go grab a kid out the audience and you guys take

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a real lap around the church and you just go

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nuts. And you never knew if you were going to

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be chosen that day to go running around the church.

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So I thought, oh man, she's going to get me up

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here. And he's going to get me up here and here

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we go. But so I get up there and this guy, he

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doesn't even touch me. He just says, put your

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hands up and just begin to call in Jesus name.

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And I was like, okay, well, you know, I'll do

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it just to get down from up here. And he blows

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his breath just and I fall out. I fall completely

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out and I wake up from it like, whoa. What just

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happened to me? I couldn't believe it. It was

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the most amazing thing. I could not believe it.

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I've seen people fall out under their spirit,

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but it never happened to me. And usually I thought,

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well, maybe they're, you know, I've seen pastors

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too that were kind of forcing people down and

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pushing them into, you know, stuff like that.

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But no, he didn't even touch me. He just did

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it with his breath. And I was amazed by that.

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And I thought, wow, wow, goddess. It's kind of

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scary right you weren't even prepped for it you

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weren't thinking like I'm gonna get I'm full

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of the Holy Spirit This is gonna be weak in the

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knees. You came up there trying to look for a

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way out Yes to just just get back to my seat

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so I could be down with being up here cuz when

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you're 13 You're already very self -conscious

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and you're thinking a bunch of things that you

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just want to get somewhere and go sit down And

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when that happened, I didn't know what to think

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I was like wow, this is it's kind of scary because

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I lost control at that moment And so from that

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point on, I knew I was very serious and I couldn't

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play around with it. So I got baptized and I

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wanted to be for God. But then high school hits

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and you start making choices and you start thinking,

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you know a little something. So I met my children's

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dad when I was in high school. And it's so funny

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because, you know, this is the part where young

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people, you really got to focus your energy.

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You really, really got to focus your energy.

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I had written a list down of things that I wanted

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in a potential mate and I drew a picture and

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I folded it up and I put it in my drawer. And

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so I get my first job and working at a fast food

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restaurant. My mom helps me get that job. It

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only lasted for a short period of time, but just

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long enough for me to get the second job. So

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I get the second job and you had to have a job

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when I was in high school because I was in the

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DECA program and it's a marketing program and

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a part of being in that program is that they

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expect that you are learning financial responsibility,

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and that you're gonna have to use money. And

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they expect you to purchase things and they expect

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you to do things. And so I was in that program

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and I had to have a job. And then I meet my girl's

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dad, my daughter's. I have three older daughters

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and I met their dad. And so when I met him, I

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was 18, he was 26, and he fit everything I wrote

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down. But I wrote everything down in a foolish

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young mind. And one of the things I wrote, I

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said kind of religious and kind of you know this

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or that and I was very vague and I wanted him

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to be worldly because I remember I don't know

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if you remember Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. Yes.

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One of the things she said and I remember this

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as a kid I used to watch them all the time that

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she didn't want her life to be boring and that's

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why she liked Jim because he gave her that sense

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of, well, it's not going to be boring. And it

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sure wasn't. I don't know if you know their story,

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but it wasn't boring. And so I remember her saying

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that. So I wrote my list, making sure that I

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put enough worldly stuff in there that it wasn't

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going to be boring. Physically, he fit the description.

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He looked everything like what I drew. That's

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the danger of, you know, being with God and asking

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for stuff and then having the boldness to believe

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you'll get it. So down to I drew a tattoo on

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his chest a tattoo on his leg I drew his hairline

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and even just the facial expressing the nose

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everything all of it He looked exactly like my

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drawing. That's amazing exactly like my drawing

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and he walks in the door at my job and He starts

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trying to talk to me which a lot of guys were

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doing that I was a young lady and they were all

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doing that and I was giving them bad phone numbers

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I would just give him any number. But this guy,

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I gave him my real phone number. Because he appealed

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to my flesh, to my desire. Did you remember your

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drawing when you saw him? Oh, well, you know

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what? The drawing was tattooed in my mind. I

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always drew this character. I always drew this

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guy. Anytime I was drawing a guy, I always drew

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this guy. And he looked exactly like that guy.

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So when I seen him come in there, I thought,

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well, maybe this is that guy or, you know, I

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don't know what's going on. So later on, you

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know, I get to know him a little bit and he gets

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to pressuring me and wanting to do things. And

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so a part of me said, well, I know this is not

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right. I know this is not what God will have

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for my life. But then the world part of me said,

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this is how you get your life started. And so

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I went that I went that pathway. And oh, my goodness.

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I mean, it took me years, years to get back.

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On the pathway where I could recognize what it

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is that got half of my life. So I started off

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and I had a daughter I got pregnant a year after

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meeting him and I was afraid and I was thinking

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about getting an abortion and I was scared So

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I went into a clinic and I talked to a lady and

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she was a faith It was a faith -based organization

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that did pregnancy tests which those god bless

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those places that do that. Yeah, thank god i'm

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I mean honestly god bless those places that do

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that because She didn't talk to me anything about

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an abortion and I was talking to her about that

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and I was crying and she said Well, hold on.

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Why are you crying? And I said, well this man's

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not a believer And I said mom my life is ruined

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because I thought that's not gonna bless me for

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this. This is terrible And she said well, wait

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a minute. I was in your position. I was in your

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shoes 19 years ago and She showed me a picture

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of her daughter. She said this is my daughter

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And she said, and it can be you too. You can

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have a daughter. It doesn't have to be that.

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And I was like, well, what do you mean? Why are

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you saying that? You know, my life's over. And

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she said, no, it doesn't have to be that way.

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And she was right. And I thank God for her because

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my daughter has been such a huge blessing for

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me. And so having that little daughter, it made

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me say, well, now I got to get myself together

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because I can't be a loser. So I started going

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to college, and I started going to church, started

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taking my daughter to church. And it seemed like

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the more I did those things, the more that ex

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-husband would get really ramped up with me.

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I mean, we had so much fighting, so much arguing.

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He was fighting me for control over my spirit.

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And I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I

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would always say, why is it that you like hate

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me? It felt like he hated me. But he didn't hate

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me. He hated, like, the light in me. He wanted

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it gone. He hated the Holy Spirit that was living

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in you. Yes. It tormented the demons in him.

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Oh, it did. It did. And so I had this belief

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that, well, I don't want... Because my mom had...

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We had different dads growing up, so me and my

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two sisters and my brother that's closest to

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me, we had the same dad, so that's four of us.

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Then my two older brothers, they had two different

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dads. And I always never, I never liked that

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because it just didn't feel as cohesive. And

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they had different ways of being. Me and my siblings

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that were the same dad, we almost understood

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each other without words. But my other two brothers,

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there was always this distance between us. And

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I remember how that felt. So I didn't want that.

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So I said, well, I've already got the one child.

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I might as well have, I wanted three daughters.

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I might as well have the rest of them with him.

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And it cost us doing that. And it cost us, so

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my second daughter was born. And the pregnancy

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was hard. Each pregnancy was hard because he

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would always, you know, some men, not all men,

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I learned this later, not all men, but some men,

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when they sense that you're pregnant and you're

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vulnerable, the attack ramps up. And the feeling

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of being stuck, they kind of parade themselves

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around over you, like you can't do anything,

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you can't go anywhere. You're kind of stuck.

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I still think that's demonic influence there

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and you know, you know the enemy hates children

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Yes, that's clearly is projecting his hate through

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the people that he's he's manipulating Absolutely

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Absolutely. And so what started to happen was

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So me and my my two daughters now he would attack

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us he would attack us and He would argue and

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fight in front of them and my oldest daughter.

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She was almost like the little filter for her

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sister, she would protect her. She would try

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to take her away from the argument, take her

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in a different room. And she would listen and

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she would be nervous. And, you know, my middle

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daughter, she was first, she was just a little

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sister, but then she became a middle daughter.

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She would ignore it. She began to get numb to

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all of it, which is very dangerous for children

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to do. She just started getting numb to it. And

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so then I had one more daughter. And one night

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he was fighting me and, you know, It just kept

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getting worse. I remember one lady at church

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said to me, take this holy oil, put it on the

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door of the house, put it on anything that he

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touches. He was a video gamer, so I put it on

00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:11.759
the video game controller. I put it on the back

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door. I put it on the front door. And it seemed

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like that oil caused him to hate me more and

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fight me more. And I thought, this is terrible.

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Why would I do this? I'm trying to do right.

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I'm going to church and I'm going to school.

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Why is this happening? God, I thought you wanted

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me to be with this. I thought you wanted marriage.

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And God said to me very clearly, I never told

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you to pick that guy. You did that. And I was

00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:41.779
like, huh? He said, yeah, I would never pick

00:24:41.779 --> 00:24:45.480
that guy for you. And I was like, but God, you

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know, we got you have a family. And he said,

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that's not a family that I will put together.

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Yes, you have daughters. But that's not a family.

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That doesn't make it a family. And I thought,

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whoa, what do you want me to do? He said, let

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me ask you this. Would you want that for your

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daughter? And I said, absolutely not. And he

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said, well, how do you think I feel? How do you

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think I feel? I never intended that for your

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life. And not only did you keep going, you thought

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that I would make a way for you to stay there.

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And I was shocked. I mean, I was really shocked

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by that. We mentioned in a previous podcast that

00:25:23.859 --> 00:25:25.579
it's hard to hear the voice of God when your

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mind is already made up of what he's going to

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say. Yes, because you're trying to force God's

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hand. And you're saying, God, you have to bless

00:25:34.339 --> 00:25:36.160
this thing because I'm so invested. And he's

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like, so what? You shouldn't have got your investments

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over there. Yeah. And so I went to the pastor

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and I was going to counsel with the pastor. I

00:25:43.819 --> 00:25:45.460
said, well, let's just counsel. I tried to put

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a bandaid on it. My God, you must not mean that,

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God. Let me just put a bandaid on it. So we go

00:25:50.630 --> 00:25:52.509
to the council to go counsel with the pastor

00:25:52.509 --> 00:25:55.809
and the pastor says I'm up. I'm a pastor of reconciliation

00:25:55.809 --> 00:25:59.390
I don't believe in divorce and I thought see

00:25:59.390 --> 00:26:02.509
God look at that. See what I'm saying and God

00:26:02.509 --> 00:26:05.750
said that's his mouth. That's not my mouth And

00:26:05.750 --> 00:26:08.150
I thought well God who am I how am I supposed

00:26:08.150 --> 00:26:11.349
to and I don't know where this lady says She

00:26:11.349 --> 00:26:13.230
said I really wish the pastor would stop saying

00:26:13.230 --> 00:26:16.390
that and she was just a lady in the church And

00:26:16.390 --> 00:26:19.049
I thought I was listening to her. She says Everybody's

00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:21.809
not like the pastor. Every man is not like the

00:26:21.809 --> 00:26:23.690
pastor. The pastor's loved his wife since they

00:26:23.690 --> 00:26:26.730
were eight years old. He's only been with her.

00:26:27.289 --> 00:26:29.369
She said, every man is not like that. She said,

00:26:29.529 --> 00:26:32.210
some of us, I like the Samaritan woman by the

00:26:32.210 --> 00:26:36.730
well. And that stuck with me because the Samaritan

00:26:36.730 --> 00:26:40.990
woman had five and she had none. And I thought,

00:26:41.309 --> 00:26:43.269
what does that mean? Is the Samaritan woman some

00:26:43.269 --> 00:26:45.829
type of a whore or is she sleeping with other

00:26:45.829 --> 00:26:48.750
people's husband? I don't understand. It took

00:26:48.750 --> 00:26:52.549
me years to get that. God makes husbands. You

00:26:52.549 --> 00:26:55.369
can marry anybody. You can have a piece of paper

00:26:55.369 --> 00:26:57.990
saying you own the Empire State Building. That

00:26:57.990 --> 00:27:01.069
doesn't mean nothing. It's only God that can

00:27:01.069 --> 00:27:03.750
make a husband. So if you marry five men, you

00:27:03.750 --> 00:27:06.390
just marry five men and none of them are husbands.

00:27:07.670 --> 00:27:12.289
And so it took my little daughter, my third daughter,

00:27:13.049 --> 00:27:15.349
being traumatized by one of our crazy fights.

00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:18.640
for me to finally listen to God and remove us

00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.819
from that. And God told me that I needed a move

00:27:22.819 --> 00:27:26.799
to Indiana. And it was, my mom had lived in Indiana

00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:28.539
at that time and I had visited her a few times

00:27:28.539 --> 00:27:32.319
and, oh my God, it was too lame according to

00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:35.019
how I felt. They didn't have enough going on.

00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:38.099
I was in the Chicagoland area. I had a good job

00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:40.519
I liked. And I said, God, I'm not moving to the

00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:42.599
cornfields. And he said, well, then you're gonna

00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:47.289
bypass your blessing. And so God wouldn't let

00:27:47.289 --> 00:27:50.710
me, though. So I go to sleep, and God gives me

00:27:50.710 --> 00:27:52.950
this vision of me. I'm almost like Goldilocks

00:27:52.950 --> 00:27:55.109
and the Three Bears. I'm looking for a house,

00:27:55.190 --> 00:27:56.609
because at the time I was looking for a house,

00:27:56.769 --> 00:27:58.890
because me and my husband were divorcing. But

00:27:58.890 --> 00:28:00.589
I was looking for a house, and I didn't want

00:28:00.589 --> 00:28:02.349
to take the children too far away from them.

00:28:03.069 --> 00:28:06.029
And so every house I went to in that dream, they

00:28:06.029 --> 00:28:08.609
were all bad. There was something good about

00:28:08.609 --> 00:28:10.150
them, but there was something bad, and I just

00:28:10.150 --> 00:28:12.950
couldn't get it. And that's literally what happened.

00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:15.920
Every single house I bid on, I couldn't get it.

00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.099
And one day I'm just in my car crying and I call

00:28:18.099 --> 00:28:20.240
my mom and I said, I feel like I'm spinning my

00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:24.180
wheels. And she says, come out here. And it sounds

00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:26.880
really appealing, but you know, I'm too grown

00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.500
and I can't give up on my stuff I'm doing. And

00:28:29.500 --> 00:28:32.200
I just didn't want to leave my church and everything

00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:35.039
I had going on. And so I started praying about

00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.680
it. And then the next thing you know, I go to

00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:40.779
that pastor, the one that blew his breath on

00:28:40.779 --> 00:28:45.380
me when I was 13. Now this is about maybe about

00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:48.380
15 years later, about 15 years later. So I go

00:28:48.380 --> 00:28:50.539
to him, he's still an anointing man of God, never

00:28:50.539 --> 00:28:54.099
gotten married, still a virgin, still out here

00:28:54.099 --> 00:28:55.660
doing the work of God. Everybody knew he was

00:28:55.660 --> 00:28:59.200
a virgin because he just never did anything.

00:28:59.539 --> 00:29:01.000
And he thought, well, what's going on with this

00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:05.839
guy? But I go to his church and I tell him, hey,

00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.380
God's telling me that I need to move and I need

00:29:08.380 --> 00:29:11.160
to go here. And it's this much of a journey to

00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.170
get there. I got this raggedy old van, and I

00:29:15.170 --> 00:29:17.349
don't think it's gonna make it, and I don't know

00:29:17.349 --> 00:29:19.329
what's gonna happen if I move out there, and

00:29:19.329 --> 00:29:21.529
he just prayed over me, and he told me, God's

00:29:21.529 --> 00:29:24.329
telling me, your van's gonna be fine, and you're

00:29:24.329 --> 00:29:27.809
gonna be fine. And I was like, okay, well, I

00:29:27.809 --> 00:29:29.329
guess that's all the confidence I need, you know,

00:29:29.349 --> 00:29:31.849
to still belong to the van of God, and he's really

00:29:31.849 --> 00:29:34.130
telling me that, you know, you gotta move on.

00:29:35.009 --> 00:29:39.529
I get in my van, and I move on, and God just

00:29:39.529 --> 00:29:42.730
started blessing me. Just started blessing me

00:29:42.730 --> 00:29:47.450
crazy. I Got a great job. I found the perfect

00:29:47.450 --> 00:29:50.869
house. I was able to provide stability for my

00:29:50.869 --> 00:29:56.309
my girls and then I met my husband and That showed

00:29:56.309 --> 00:30:00.470
me he said to me when I met my husband. He said

00:30:00.470 --> 00:30:03.849
Alice you've been doing what you want to do Let

00:30:03.849 --> 00:30:07.210
me blossom this flower for you and he had to

00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:09.690
say that to me because you can't force a flower

00:30:09.690 --> 00:30:12.990
to blossom You can pick at those pedals all you

00:30:12.990 --> 00:30:15.309
want to but it's not gonna happen until it's

00:30:15.309 --> 00:30:19.410
the right time and So I thought oh man, I don't

00:30:19.410 --> 00:30:21.130
know. I don't know about that guy, you know,

00:30:21.230 --> 00:30:23.390
cuz I when I met my husband he's in the nation

00:30:23.390 --> 00:30:28.029
of Islam and I'm a believer and I thought no

00:30:28.029 --> 00:30:31.690
this doesn't mix. Well But God said let me do

00:30:31.690 --> 00:30:35.730
this for you You don't get to control it. So

00:30:35.730 --> 00:30:39.769
I accepted it and God has been showing me through

00:30:39.769 --> 00:30:42.990
Him and through life that He's in control ever

00:30:42.990 --> 00:30:46.650
since. So all the bad experience that I had and

00:30:46.650 --> 00:30:49.009
that I had to go through, I had to go through

00:30:49.009 --> 00:30:51.329
it to appreciate where God's taking me to today.

00:30:52.029 --> 00:30:54.109
So like what I said at the top of the honor that

00:30:54.109 --> 00:30:58.829
I had on two more little children, I never experienced

00:30:58.829 --> 00:31:03.490
such stress -free pregnancies and so much help

00:31:03.490 --> 00:31:08.660
and partnership and so much, I don't know. I

00:31:08.660 --> 00:31:11.359
never even wanted to have a son because I was

00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.839
afraid of a man turning out to be kind of like

00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:17.740
what I've experienced. But my last little baby

00:31:17.740 --> 00:31:22.680
is a boy. And I was so happy because my husband

00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.259
was the man that I thought in my heart. And I

00:31:26.259 --> 00:31:28.339
said this to God, I said, you know, I wouldn't

00:31:28.339 --> 00:31:31.460
mind having a baby version of him. I had already

00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:33.539
had my daughters. And I said, I wouldn't mind

00:31:33.539 --> 00:31:37.119
that. He's really shown me. That one experience

00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.140
is not the experience. And by just having that

00:31:41.140 --> 00:31:43.700
little bit of faith, you know, I look at the

00:31:43.700 --> 00:31:45.619
ultrasound and I'm like, hey, that doesn't look

00:31:45.619 --> 00:31:50.700
like a girl. And it's a little baby boy. So I

00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:56.359
thank God for keeping his hand on me as I journeyed

00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:58.660
through everything. You know, it sounds like

00:31:58.660 --> 00:32:03.980
even even in your. Unbeknownst to you disobedience

00:32:03.980 --> 00:32:05.640
when you married your first husband that God

00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.160
still blessed you through it with your daughters

00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.940
Yes, and and gave you the strength and continue

00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:13.819
to try to reach out to you And I think that's

00:32:13.819 --> 00:32:17.660
incredible that you can recognize it now You

00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:20.200
know and it makes me wonder that if you look

00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.900
Hindsight you said when you first moved out of

00:32:22.900 --> 00:32:25.220
the projects there was like a culture shift a

00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:28.099
huge culture shift, you know, obviously But was

00:32:28.099 --> 00:32:30.440
there also like a spiritual shift that you detected?

00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:34.140
Like was like, you know The enemy sense has agenced

00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:36.660
over different areas in different places and

00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:39.539
and they attack and harm and harass us And and

00:32:39.539 --> 00:32:42.140
I just wondered if you noticed that was a shift

00:32:42.140 --> 00:32:45.259
spiritually as well like like people are are

00:32:45.259 --> 00:32:48.059
more depressed or more lonely or more downtrodden

00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:52.759
in depressed areas because The holy spirit hasn't

00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:56.880
a lot of maneuverability there Oh my god. I'm

00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:00.500
glad you said that because you're right That

00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:03.180
is one of the things that as a child, you don't

00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:06.119
notice it. But asking that question, I'm looking,

00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.079
I'm thinking like, you know what? There was death

00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:11.500
around us in the projects and we were used to

00:33:11.500 --> 00:33:14.079
it. It's almost like growing up with dead bodies

00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:19.200
and you just play around them. And that is what

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.400
happened. There were people that ended up getting

00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.980
killed. And I remember seeing the blood stains

00:33:24.980 --> 00:33:28.529
in a window of an apartment building. We used

00:33:28.529 --> 00:33:31.230
to say, oh, that lady died there. You know, children

00:33:31.230 --> 00:33:33.750
knowing things they shouldn't know. But then

00:33:33.750 --> 00:33:37.890
we moved to the suburban area. I mean, it was

00:33:37.890 --> 00:33:41.549
the first time that we sat down and played with

00:33:41.549 --> 00:33:44.029
dolls in the yard. There was a little girl that

00:33:44.029 --> 00:33:46.630
lived next door to us. And she had every kind

00:33:46.630 --> 00:33:50.109
of Barbie. And she had every kind of, you know,

00:33:50.150 --> 00:33:52.750
she was just so excited to see little kids. And

00:33:52.750 --> 00:33:55.259
she was a nice little white girl. And I say that

00:33:55.259 --> 00:33:59.660
because the area we lived in had to be 70 % white

00:33:59.660 --> 00:34:02.740
population. And so her parents weren't racist.

00:34:03.619 --> 00:34:06.400
And she came to the fence and said, hey, do you

00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.659
want to play with my dogs? And our energy shifted,

00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:11.840
because we were like, play with your dogs. We

00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.079
weren't used to that. You know, what's up with

00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.480
this? And so she brought them all out. She brought

00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:20.940
everything out, and we just sat there, and we

00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:22.900
were just playing with our dogs. And I remember

00:34:22.900 --> 00:34:25.929
that time. It was almost nighttime and her mom

00:34:25.929 --> 00:34:28.329
was calling her in for dinner and the energy

00:34:28.329 --> 00:34:34.349
felt so pure and so good. We just that night,

00:34:34.349 --> 00:34:36.309
me and my sisters, we just laid in the grass

00:34:36.309 --> 00:34:39.769
and thought, wow, I don't think I want to be

00:34:39.769 --> 00:34:43.190
a bad grown up. You know, we never thought about

00:34:43.190 --> 00:34:44.829
it, but we're like, I don't think I'm going to

00:34:44.829 --> 00:34:47.329
be a bad grown up. I think I want to be this

00:34:47.329 --> 00:34:51.190
kind of grown up. Do things like this. Lay in

00:34:51.190 --> 00:34:54.909
the grass and. You know, you can go have dinner.

00:34:55.829 --> 00:34:58.829
You don't have to do much. And we were used to,

00:34:58.969 --> 00:35:00.929
in the project area, there was always people

00:35:00.929 --> 00:35:04.010
outside, always people outside. In the suburb,

00:35:04.550 --> 00:35:07.889
it's nighttime, it's crickets. And that was the

00:35:07.889 --> 00:35:09.809
first time we heard crickets. And we're like,

00:35:10.329 --> 00:35:16.829
what's that sound? And so you're right. The spirit

00:35:16.829 --> 00:35:19.389
energy shifted. That's how my mom was able to

00:35:19.389 --> 00:35:22.719
immediately find a church. and find my stepdad

00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.380
and the teachers were a little bit more patient

00:35:27.380 --> 00:35:32.019
with you and it definitely was a shift. Praise

00:35:32.019 --> 00:35:35.000
God. It's like by replanting you, he planted

00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:40.420
a seed that he watered. Yes. Through all of your

00:35:40.420 --> 00:35:43.000
young adult life. Even when you were in the moments

00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.860
of shade where you weren't growing quite right,

00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.239
he still was able to put that breeze on you with

00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.510
that pastor's breath. Right. He was able to nurture

00:35:51.510 --> 00:35:56.369
you in a way that you could not comprehend. Absolutely.

00:35:56.449 --> 00:35:58.869
And I think about the parable of the of the sower

00:35:58.869 --> 00:36:03.789
seeds and how God, he took them and we had different

00:36:03.789 --> 00:36:07.510
ones land in different ground. And some had good

00:36:07.510 --> 00:36:10.289
ground and they just grew up and, you know, they

00:36:10.289 --> 00:36:12.670
were able to bring forth more good fruit. And,

00:36:13.230 --> 00:36:15.110
you know, I think about my siblings. We're not

00:36:15.110 --> 00:36:20.519
all in the ministry, but I don't know why, with

00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.460
me seeing my mom do everything she did, I love

00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:26.219
God in a way that I knew I couldn't let God go.

00:36:27.019 --> 00:36:28.659
But I wanted to see what the world was about.

00:36:29.539 --> 00:36:33.179
So I thank God that whatever He gave me, wherever

00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:36.420
He planted me, He said, don't let me go. You'll

00:36:36.420 --> 00:36:38.119
be fine, but you're going to go through some

00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:39.639
things because you've got to figure this out.

00:36:40.460 --> 00:36:43.730
And I thank God for that. Hey friend, sometimes

00:36:43.730 --> 00:36:46.329
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in our About section. I'd love to connect with

00:37:08.530 --> 00:37:12.949
you. I thank God for God loving me enough to

00:37:12.949 --> 00:37:16.690
take me out of the projects because the statistics

00:37:16.690 --> 00:37:20.429
in the area that I was growing up in, they weren't

00:37:20.429 --> 00:37:23.190
good. We didn't even touch high school, let alone,

00:37:23.610 --> 00:37:25.949
you know, it was a lot of teenage moms. It was

00:37:25.949 --> 00:37:28.530
a lot of not finishing high school. It was a

00:37:28.530 --> 00:37:31.750
lot of, I mean, I'm an adapter at program. That

00:37:31.750 --> 00:37:35.789
was not a statistic that was a part of that upbringing.

00:37:38.019 --> 00:37:41.260
Before we recorded, you were mentioning that

00:37:41.260 --> 00:37:46.099
now you're a coach and it seems like you're using

00:37:46.099 --> 00:37:49.059
all your past to be able to help others. Do you

00:37:49.059 --> 00:37:50.900
want to go into a little bit about what God has

00:37:50.900 --> 00:37:54.079
you going into now? Oh my gosh, thank you for

00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:55.659
giving me an opportunity to talk about that.

00:37:56.579 --> 00:38:01.099
So now I have a coaching consulting and case

00:38:01.099 --> 00:38:04.079
management business and that's really opening

00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.889
up a lot of doors for me with that. When I came

00:38:06.889 --> 00:38:10.369
out here to Indiana, all I had was ideas. And

00:38:10.369 --> 00:38:13.949
I went to an innovation center and I pitched

00:38:13.949 --> 00:38:17.929
my idea, won $5 ,000 just for the pitch. I didn't

00:38:17.929 --> 00:38:20.809
do anything. It just was the idea. And that was

00:38:20.809 --> 00:38:22.630
God telling me, this is good what you're doing.

00:38:23.570 --> 00:38:25.750
I took that money. I took that money and I bought

00:38:25.750 --> 00:38:29.570
a piece of land. And now I'm in the process of

00:38:29.570 --> 00:38:32.150
having a modular office building put on the land

00:38:32.150 --> 00:38:34.869
so I can start doing case management out of that

00:38:34.869 --> 00:38:37.920
building. I've been able to coach and consult

00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.699
with people. I just got a call the other day

00:38:40.699 --> 00:38:42.860
from a young man who got fired from a job. And

00:38:42.860 --> 00:38:45.599
I only know him because my modular building is

00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.480
on the land where, you know, he worked there

00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.199
and I would pay to keep it over there. And so

00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.480
he called me and I'm thinking, oh, this is Evan.

00:38:53.500 --> 00:38:55.099
He's going to want to know about, you know, what's

00:38:55.099 --> 00:38:56.739
my plan. We're getting the building off the land.

00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:58.960
I'm already, I'm in the process and I've got

00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.119
my permit and everything. So I'm ready to give

00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:03.059
him my spiel about, okay, hey, Evan, you know,

00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:06.199
this is going on. He says, no. I called you because

00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:09.659
I wanted to ask you some information. And I thought,

00:39:09.940 --> 00:39:14.559
oh, okay, wow, okay. He really needed, he needed

00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:18.059
coaching and he needed mentoring. And when he

00:39:18.059 --> 00:39:20.280
got off the call, he was so thankful that he

00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.300
called me because he was down on himself. And

00:39:23.300 --> 00:39:26.059
although I do, you know, consulting and coaching

00:39:26.059 --> 00:39:31.019
as far as business and job employment and career

00:39:31.019 --> 00:39:34.000
growth and things like that, he really needed

00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.679
to know that he was not garbage, that he was

00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:38.579
not thrown away. His company had fired him, and

00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:42.219
he felt really thrown away. And the way that

00:39:42.219 --> 00:39:46.760
God was able to put the word to my mouth, and

00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:50.320
it totally shifted the conversation. One of the

00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.420
things I said to him was, you no longer sell

00:39:53.420 --> 00:39:56.199
your time for money, so get that out of your

00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:00.860
mind. You exchange your time for resources and

00:40:00.860 --> 00:40:05.079
opportunities of great. And he said, wow. He

00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.260
said, do you have a TikTok? Or are you making

00:40:08.260 --> 00:40:11.860
content? And I said, no. I said, no, I'm not

00:40:11.860 --> 00:40:13.960
making any content. He said, that sounds like

00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:16.079
something that will go viral. I'm like, well,

00:40:16.739 --> 00:40:19.659
I'm not trying to go viral. But what I am trying

00:40:19.659 --> 00:40:23.619
to do is accumulate resources for people. So

00:40:23.619 --> 00:40:25.360
I will start making some YouTube videos just

00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.659
to help people navigate circumstances and situations.

00:40:30.150 --> 00:40:32.969
I find that God is just always putting me in

00:40:32.969 --> 00:40:37.210
situations where I can do that. You know, I worked

00:40:37.210 --> 00:40:39.429
for many years as a business developer. Helping

00:40:39.429 --> 00:40:42.909
people see the opportunities in the space is

00:40:42.909 --> 00:40:46.110
what led to the success. I became a go -to gal

00:40:46.110 --> 00:40:50.070
for all things. I was helping my business connect

00:40:50.070 --> 00:40:53.010
partnerships that they didn't have. And God showed

00:40:53.010 --> 00:40:56.110
me by doing that, this is what I want you to

00:40:56.110 --> 00:40:58.510
do. And I thought, well, there's no way, God,

00:40:58.570 --> 00:41:00.739
there's no way that I can make you know, good

00:41:00.739 --> 00:41:03.599
money doing this. I need to go back and go back

00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.579
and get another certificate because I'm a person

00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:07.599
that loves education. And that's another thing

00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:11.420
that was not statistically possible from my background

00:41:11.420 --> 00:41:13.900
that I came from. Education, come on. That just

00:41:13.900 --> 00:41:16.400
wasn't the thing. So I became a long -term care

00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.960
administrator. And God let me do that. And I

00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.380
made the most money I've ever made. And he said,

00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:25.699
I don't want you doing that. And he kept saying,

00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.599
go back to this. So now I've gone back to this.

00:41:30.259 --> 00:41:33.400
And I'm in the process of closing, like I said,

00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:37.400
getting my building put in place. And here I

00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:39.860
am talking to you guys and really solidifying,

00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:41.559
because sometimes God don't have you say it out

00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:45.440
loud. It's that we say it in a way that confirms

00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.619
it with you that this is what you're supposed

00:41:47.619 --> 00:41:49.800
to be doing. So that's what I get to do now.

00:41:50.500 --> 00:41:55.239
Wow. What a journey. And the thing is, it gets

00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:58.239
even sweeter. So while I'm on the pathway to

00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.510
get my doctorate degree, I had to have a cognate

00:42:00.510 --> 00:42:02.829
and I thought, well, you know, I'm in adult education.

00:42:03.070 --> 00:42:06.170
What is it that I need? And God tells me, study

00:42:06.170 --> 00:42:09.409
behavior. So I study behavior. And now I'm in

00:42:09.409 --> 00:42:11.590
the process of getting my ABA to become a board

00:42:11.590 --> 00:42:15.150
certified behavior analyst. Well, that's a part

00:42:15.150 --> 00:42:17.190
of the business structure. That's a part of what

00:42:17.190 --> 00:42:20.550
I get to do. I get to help people acquire skills

00:42:20.550 --> 00:42:22.949
and transition from a place that's not working

00:42:22.949 --> 00:42:25.809
for them to a place that is working for them.

00:42:26.849 --> 00:42:31.769
And so. I'm just, I feel so blessed that that

00:42:31.769 --> 00:42:34.510
God is calling me to continue to serve people.

00:42:36.070 --> 00:42:39.369
It reminds me of that phrase, you know, God doesn't

00:42:39.369 --> 00:42:41.690
call the qualified, he qualifies the called.

00:42:41.949 --> 00:42:43.909
And it sounds like he started with your mom,

00:42:44.590 --> 00:42:47.250
right? You said she had an eighth grade education

00:42:47.250 --> 00:42:50.369
and she had all these opportunities. And then

00:42:50.369 --> 00:42:53.349
she went into ministry and he gave her a ministry

00:42:53.349 --> 00:42:58.880
man. Yep. And then you. continue this journey

00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.340
with all the doubts that you have, right? Like,

00:43:02.460 --> 00:43:04.239
am I the person for this? Like, you know what

00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.920
I've done in my past. And he's like, yeah, I

00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.539
know what I'm doing a little bit more than we

00:43:10.539 --> 00:43:14.760
do. Exactly. Exactly. I love that you say that

00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:18.320
because I had no qualifications to do what I

00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:21.159
was doing. So when I became a business development

00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.099
director, my background was case management.

00:43:24.509 --> 00:43:26.789
So I had gotten my bachelor's degree, and I was

00:43:26.789 --> 00:43:29.030
a case manager. I'm that person that comes to

00:43:29.030 --> 00:43:30.989
help seniors get services put in your house.

00:43:31.190 --> 00:43:33.070
I knock on your door, you may have an appointment,

00:43:33.409 --> 00:43:34.869
and we're going to set you up with a call button.

00:43:35.150 --> 00:43:37.670
We're going to set you up with in -home aid,

00:43:38.030 --> 00:43:40.369
maybe some perform wills, maybe a medication

00:43:40.369 --> 00:43:44.530
reminder. And that was me, and I loved it. And

00:43:44.530 --> 00:43:46.929
I thought, well, when I was moving to Indiana,

00:43:46.989 --> 00:43:50.289
I'll just do that again. And so I get to Indiana

00:43:50.289 --> 00:43:52.650
and they say, no, you have to have like a social

00:43:52.650 --> 00:43:54.550
service degree. I had a bachelor's in healthcare

00:43:54.550 --> 00:43:56.929
administration. And I thought, well, it's along

00:43:56.929 --> 00:43:58.869
the same lines. And they said, no, it really

00:43:58.869 --> 00:44:01.730
has to be this. And so I thought, well, my degree

00:44:01.730 --> 00:44:04.170
is not garbage. So what do I do? So I took any

00:44:04.170 --> 00:44:07.030
job. I became an activity aide and God told me,

00:44:07.090 --> 00:44:09.130
no, you need to advance yourself. Sometimes you

00:44:09.130 --> 00:44:12.210
get comfortable. And what was happening was the

00:44:12.210 --> 00:44:14.750
company was being bought out. And they said,

00:44:14.769 --> 00:44:16.900
you know, all the activity aides are going to

00:44:16.900 --> 00:44:19.599
have to become CNAs, which are certified nurses

00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:21.260
aides. And I thought, no, I've done that work

00:44:21.260 --> 00:44:26.260
before. I'm not doing that. That's changing bedpans

00:44:26.260 --> 00:44:28.460
and diapers. And I just wasn't comfortable with

00:44:28.460 --> 00:44:31.480
that level of care. I understand that completely.

00:44:32.739 --> 00:44:35.260
So guys said, well, then you need to go. So I

00:44:35.260 --> 00:44:37.019
started searching for opportunities. And there

00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:39.579
was this business director position, or it was

00:44:39.579 --> 00:44:43.829
a marketing admissions person. And so from there,

00:44:43.829 --> 00:44:45.710
I started doing really well at what I was doing

00:44:45.710 --> 00:44:49.789
and got recruited, got recruited into my development

00:44:49.789 --> 00:44:53.090
position. Somebody said, Alice is doing a real

00:44:53.090 --> 00:44:55.670
good job over there. You need a person like that

00:44:55.670 --> 00:44:56.869
in your building. That's how you're going to

00:44:56.869 --> 00:44:59.909
get your beds filled. I'm just the work of the

00:44:59.909 --> 00:45:02.190
Lord. And I always had this model that I don't

00:45:02.190 --> 00:45:05.210
work for people. I work unto the Lord. I always

00:45:05.210 --> 00:45:08.030
had that because I knew God was real and I knew

00:45:08.030 --> 00:45:10.789
that people are limited in what they can see

00:45:10.789 --> 00:45:13.510
you do. And also as a case manager, I wasn't

00:45:13.510 --> 00:45:16.230
in an office. It was a field position. So there's

00:45:16.230 --> 00:45:18.889
no way my boss could know what I was doing. And

00:45:18.889 --> 00:45:21.369
there's no way that they could reward me for

00:45:21.369 --> 00:45:23.829
what I was doing. So I was working to the Lord

00:45:23.829 --> 00:45:27.710
and said, well, God knows. God sees me. Was that

00:45:27.710 --> 00:45:30.690
about the point where you realized without a

00:45:30.690 --> 00:45:33.190
doubt that God's hand was in your life? Or did

00:45:33.190 --> 00:45:36.230
you figure that out a little sooner? You know,

00:45:36.570 --> 00:45:39.679
when that guy blew his breath on me, That was

00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:42.099
good for me because I knew I knew my spirit.

00:45:42.380 --> 00:45:45.199
I knew I didn't want that to happen. So I knew

00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:48.320
that God had his hand in my life, but I didn't

00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.500
know what that meant because remember, I grew

00:45:50.500 --> 00:45:53.320
up around a lot of carnal Christians and they

00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:56.400
said the same thing. Oh, God's got me and oh,

00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.159
you know, oh, you know, he, he helped me. I found

00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.780
two dollars in my prayers and oh, you know, they

00:46:01.780 --> 00:46:04.489
were just really those people that Although they

00:46:04.489 --> 00:46:06.750
were showing and shouting and doing thankful

00:46:06.750 --> 00:46:09.050
things, you would look at them outside of the

00:46:09.050 --> 00:46:11.989
church and they might be having an affair. They

00:46:11.989 --> 00:46:14.909
might be, you know, smoking and hanging out with

00:46:14.909 --> 00:46:16.329
the people that you know they shouldn't have

00:46:16.329 --> 00:46:19.269
been smoking and hanging out with. So I knew

00:46:19.269 --> 00:46:23.050
God was real. I knew God called people to do

00:46:23.050 --> 00:46:26.789
things. But I thought, but they're mixing it

00:46:26.789 --> 00:46:29.909
with their own thing too. So maybe I need to

00:46:29.909 --> 00:46:33.099
mix it with my own thing too. So that's what

00:46:33.099 --> 00:46:35.880
led me to thinking, okay, this first husband,

00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.099
this was the thing I need to be doing. And then

00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:40.900
this first husband, I want to tell you, I don't

00:46:40.900 --> 00:46:43.440
know if we have time to get into it, but. You

00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.340
know, I don't share just anything on this podcast,

00:46:46.340 --> 00:46:49.179
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00:46:49.179 --> 00:46:51.800
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00:47:02.550 --> 00:47:05.869
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00:47:09.670 --> 00:47:12.269
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00:47:21.929 --> 00:47:24.809
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00:47:24.809 --> 00:47:28.610
to the show. anything that you can think of that

00:47:28.610 --> 00:47:30.909
you shouldn't be doing, this man was trying to

00:47:30.909 --> 00:47:33.309
get me to do it. I would have had about three

00:47:33.309 --> 00:47:36.309
or four felonies if I listened to his influence.

00:47:36.829 --> 00:47:39.429
But God wouldn't let me. God would not let me.

00:47:39.590 --> 00:47:42.710
He would tell me, absolutely not, absolutely

00:47:42.710 --> 00:47:46.230
not, daughter. And I'd say, you know, I'd tell

00:47:46.230 --> 00:47:49.909
him, I'm not doing that. And he was like, he

00:47:49.909 --> 00:47:51.489
would balk against my spirit. Like, who does

00:47:51.489 --> 00:47:53.690
she think she is? Why won't she do these things?

00:47:53.690 --> 00:47:55.900
I want to do them. And it's like, no, I'm not

00:47:55.900 --> 00:47:58.099
doing that. And so then when I started going

00:47:58.099 --> 00:48:00.920
to church, sometimes he'd come to church, but

00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:02.579
he would only come there to laugh at the people

00:48:02.579 --> 00:48:05.159
as they shout or make fun of things and just

00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.519
play real light and coy. And what he started

00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.239
doing was giving my daughters a spirit of, ha

00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:13.159
ha, church is funny, God's not real. And so he

00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:15.960
started really just watering it down, trying

00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.940
to take the power out. And I wouldn't let him

00:48:19.940 --> 00:48:23.340
do it. God told me, nope. No, protect this thing.

00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:25.940
And it's something that you don't let him do

00:48:25.940 --> 00:48:28.480
that. And so when he started all that, I would

00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.239
say, hey, you know what? If you don't want to

00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:31.860
come to church, that's fine. We'll just go to

00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:34.079
church. And then my little daughter started saying,

00:48:34.139 --> 00:48:36.039
not my oldest one, the one in the middle. She

00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:37.480
started saying, I don't want to go to church.

00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.500
I want to stay home with dad. And I said, absolutely

00:48:39.500 --> 00:48:42.860
not. You go to church. And so certain things,

00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.239
God just wouldn't let me let go of. Even though

00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:48.860
I was a lukewarm Christian, he wouldn't let me

00:48:48.860 --> 00:48:52.119
let go. He wouldn't let me let go at all. He

00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.639
was like, you hold on to this because this is

00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.260
the only thing that's going to keep you from

00:48:57.260 --> 00:49:00.179
going all the way to. I mean, my whole story,

00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.820
my dad wasn't a church person. My mom was in

00:49:03.820 --> 00:49:06.760
the church, but she had a lot of things that

00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.199
she still hadn't overcome. And so she was kind

00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:12.280
of a lukewarm Christian. You know, she was the

00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.159
kind of Christian that you could see her doing

00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.719
amazing things for God, but then she's got a

00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.280
boyfriend. You know, after things didn't work

00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:21.960
out with stepdad, she's got a boyfriend. Or,

00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:23.880
you know, she's this amazing Christian and she's

00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:26.199
got this beautiful voice. She also was singing

00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:28.000
songs that had nothing to do with God. You know

00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.420
what I'm saying? So it will water things down

00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:33.699
to a point where it's like, okay, God let you

00:49:33.699 --> 00:49:35.940
mix things together. Because my mom still looked

00:49:35.940 --> 00:49:38.199
blessed. She still was taken care of. God still

00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.300
was doing amazing things in her life. She even

00:49:40.300 --> 00:49:42.539
went back and went to school. You know, she ended

00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:44.940
up getting a GED and going and getting a college

00:49:44.940 --> 00:49:48.889
degree. Yeah, so I was like, okay, well then,

00:49:48.889 --> 00:49:51.710
you know, God will make things happen. And, you

00:49:51.710 --> 00:49:53.349
know, you don't really got to worry too much.

00:49:53.590 --> 00:49:58.070
But God was telling me, no, no, I'm calling you

00:49:58.070 --> 00:50:02.949
to see all these things so you can realize I

00:50:02.949 --> 00:50:07.289
truly want you. And I don't want you with the

00:50:07.289 --> 00:50:10.969
world's special blend. I want you and I want

00:50:10.969 --> 00:50:13.789
you to remove all that stuff. When God says be

00:50:13.789 --> 00:50:17.079
in the world, but not of the world. That's what

00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.840
he means. And I didn't know that. So I think

00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.400
the whole time that had his hand on me, but he

00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:26.119
allowed me to see how far things can go and how

00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.800
bad they can go. If you're a carnal lukewarm

00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.940
Christian mixing things together, it's almost

00:50:30.940 --> 00:50:35.119
like witchcraft because you want that, but you

00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.420
want the power. You want the good stuff. You

00:50:37.420 --> 00:50:41.139
don't want to surrender. And so God needed me

00:50:41.139 --> 00:50:44.039
to surrender because my husband that I have now,

00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:47.699
he hit my surrender. Makes him kind of Christian.

00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:50.000
Okay. Well, what's what's going on here? And

00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.579
you know, he kind of looks and says What's going

00:50:52.579 --> 00:50:55.559
on here? And so, you know how the Bible talks

00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.500
about how you can be a witness by just living

00:50:58.500 --> 00:51:01.920
your life That's what God has me doing right

00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.500
now. He just has me living my life And you're

00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:05.780
probably like what's going on with you? Why are

00:51:05.780 --> 00:51:07.519
you so happy? What's going on? And then that

00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.139
that's when I get an opportunity to witness like

00:51:09.139 --> 00:51:12.300
hey I don't know about you, but this is this

00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:17.039
is what I got That's exactly right And that's

00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:18.820
it. So that, so there it is. That's what, you

00:51:18.820 --> 00:51:20.239
know, that's what God's been doing. He's been,

00:51:20.420 --> 00:51:24.320
He's been letting me see why the people that,

00:51:24.380 --> 00:51:26.179
and you can look at the carnal Christians. I

00:51:26.179 --> 00:51:28.480
don't know if you guys know any of them, but

00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:33.219
they don't get the glory. They don't get the

00:51:33.219 --> 00:51:35.280
glory and God's not getting the glory out of

00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:40.400
their life. I want to highlight something that

00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.710
you mentioned that surrender. That's usually

00:51:43.710 --> 00:51:45.909
when the breakthrough comes is when you're in

00:51:45.909 --> 00:51:48.489
that moment of surrender like I can't do this

00:51:48.489 --> 00:51:50.849
anymore I need your help God and that's where

00:51:50.849 --> 00:51:53.150
he showed up on the day I got healed of 17 years

00:51:53.150 --> 00:51:56.429
of chronic neck and shoulder pain and I was just

00:51:56.429 --> 00:51:59.190
at the end of my rope and I was like Told my

00:51:59.190 --> 00:52:01.769
husband I'm like you gotta pray and lay hands

00:52:01.769 --> 00:52:03.929
and they did and there's a whole story behind

00:52:03.929 --> 00:52:06.809
it But I was healed and it was just that that

00:52:06.809 --> 00:52:10.769
surrender can be so powerful It's just contradictory,

00:52:11.250 --> 00:52:13.650
but everything in the kingdom is upside down.

00:52:13.849 --> 00:52:17.010
It doesn't make sense to us. His ways are higher

00:52:17.010 --> 00:52:23.630
and we just keep learning more and more. Absolutely.

00:52:24.150 --> 00:52:28.170
Absolutely. And when you say surrender, it makes

00:52:28.170 --> 00:52:31.969
me think about, you know, Satan and how Satan

00:52:31.969 --> 00:52:34.650
would not surrender. And if you think about the

00:52:34.650 --> 00:52:37.230
spirit of the world, that's all it is, is a spirit

00:52:37.230 --> 00:52:39.920
of rebellion. It doesn't want to surrender. It

00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:43.460
wants to be its own Lord. You know, and one of

00:52:43.460 --> 00:52:45.780
the things that God had to show me on my journey

00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:49.360
was that He wishes nobody to perish and nobody

00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:53.320
to, you know, to be cast out. And I study a lot

00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:56.739
of esoteric knowledge and I study a lot about

00:52:56.739 --> 00:52:59.880
Satanist and Satanism because to me, it's like,

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.639
it's the craziest thing to give all your power

00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:05.639
and energy to Satan. That's faith still. That's

00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:08.139
faith and just the wrong thing. And so I've always

00:53:08.139 --> 00:53:11.019
puzzled with that. And so God led me to this

00:53:11.019 --> 00:53:12.260
book. I don't know if you've ever read it, but

00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:14.659
it's called He Came to Set the Captives Free.

00:53:15.460 --> 00:53:19.139
And in this book, it's a lady's tale about how

00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:22.980
she was deep into Satanism. And God just happened

00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:26.119
to send this medical professional into her life

00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:28.719
based on a lot of the elements and a lot of the

00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.199
interactions she had with the hospital. I think

00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:32.179
she also became a nurse or something like that.

00:53:32.260 --> 00:53:36.619
And so I didn't know. I didn't know that, you

00:53:36.619 --> 00:53:39.159
know, in the Satanist movement, there are a lot

00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:41.679
of people that are kind of positioned and employed

00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.460
in different industries because there's a hold

00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:47.900
on people's spirit there, and they can do a lot

00:53:47.900 --> 00:53:51.579
of work there. And so with the Satanists, one

00:53:51.579 --> 00:53:54.519
of the things that they say is that I'd rather

00:53:54.519 --> 00:54:01.079
be in hell free than be a servant up there. Oh,

00:54:01.099 --> 00:54:03.760
yeah, yeah. Better to reign in hell than to serve

00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.340
in heaven. Like, you're not reigning there, buddy.

00:54:06.420 --> 00:54:09.579
You're not reigning. That's an illusion. And

00:54:09.579 --> 00:54:13.380
so when I read this, I said, oh, these people

00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:15.519
are done, God. And he said, no, Halis, they're

00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.480
not. And I said, well, what about because the

00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:20.260
story gets real deep into like vampirism and

00:54:20.260 --> 00:54:21.880
werewolves and stuff. I said, what about these

00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:23.900
that are giving themselves over that they physically

00:54:23.900 --> 00:54:27.599
transform? He said, I want them to. I said, God,

00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.159
are you kidding me? He said, no, I'm not. He

00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.860
said, just like I saved you, and I took you out

00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:35.519
of that bad situation, I would love to do the

00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:39.179
same thing with them. They're not garbage. And

00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:41.480
I'm like, they're not? What about these celebrities

00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:44.079
who do all these rituals? He said, I want them

00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:48.440
to. I was like, wow. Think of Jonah in the city

00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:50.699
of Nineveh, right? He wanted that whole city

00:54:50.699 --> 00:54:53.300
not to perish. And look at the lengths he did,

00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:57.300
just so Jonah would go the right direction. Yes.

00:54:57.300 --> 00:54:59.900
And that's the type of guy we serve. That's what

00:54:59.900 --> 00:55:03.199
makes me say, okay, God, I'll go to distance

00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.940
because I know personally that the journey God's

00:55:06.940 --> 00:55:10.119
taking me on to take me out of the projects and

00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:13.139
to plant me in some suburbs where everything

00:55:13.139 --> 00:55:16.119
was safe. We weren't hearing no gunshots. We

00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.539
weren't scared to go outside. Nothing. God took

00:55:19.539 --> 00:55:22.380
us and put us in absolute safety. Green grass,

00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.239
green pasture. And when he says it, you know,

00:55:25.619 --> 00:55:28.380
he leads me beside the still water. He takes

00:55:28.380 --> 00:55:30.699
me to Green Pastures. He literally did that for

00:55:30.699 --> 00:55:34.719
me. And I know how that feels. I know how that

00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:38.800
feels. When we got in that car, the last day

00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:40.880
that we were in the project and we were going

00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:42.800
to the suburbs, we had no idea what was happening

00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:44.239
because my mom didn't tell us things. She just

00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:46.840
wanted surprises. And so we get in the car and

00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:48.380
this was back in the day when you could be in

00:55:48.380 --> 00:55:50.539
the station wagon and you could lay in the back

00:55:50.539 --> 00:55:52.360
and you'd have to be in a car seat or whatever.

00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.150
Laying in the back, looking out the window. We

00:55:55.150 --> 00:55:57.210
were just watching as we were used to being in

00:55:57.210 --> 00:56:00.750
the city. So we were seeing all the city sites

00:56:00.750 --> 00:56:03.889
fade away. And we were like, what is happening

00:56:03.889 --> 00:56:08.030
here? We saw power lines fade away and turn into

00:56:08.030 --> 00:56:10.030
all these trees. And we were like, where are

00:56:10.030 --> 00:56:12.750
we going? Then we see corn fields. And we're

00:56:12.750 --> 00:56:14.849
like, whoa, wait a minute. Where are we going?

00:56:16.929 --> 00:56:20.289
And God planted us in a new reality. And it's

00:56:20.289 --> 00:56:23.159
like he did it again when he told me. Get out

00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.159
of there and come to Indiana and I'm like not

00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.699
the cornfields God and he's like yes the cornfields

00:56:28.699 --> 00:56:32.099
again, I'm gonna bless you through the cornfields

00:56:32.099 --> 00:56:34.820
and I had a dream about that before I moved,

00:56:34.900 --> 00:56:38.159
you know, I had a dream that I was on the highway

00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:40.079
and you know, sometimes in your dreams you're

00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:42.539
I was moving and I had all my children on my

00:56:42.539 --> 00:56:45.159
back and we were going and Next to you know,

00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.400
my car turns into a big wheel and we're pedaling

00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.139
hard and we're going and here are these cornfields

00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:52.940
And I thought, uh -uh, there's no way my big

00:56:52.940 --> 00:56:54.260
will is going to fit through this cornfield.

00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:56.739
And God's like, over there on the other side,

00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:59.119
that's where you're going to be. And I thought,

00:56:59.579 --> 00:57:01.460
God, what are you showing me? I don't want to

00:57:01.460 --> 00:57:03.920
be in the cornfield. And the blessings were on

00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:07.179
the other side. My house was over there. My children's

00:57:07.179 --> 00:57:10.000
safety was over there. And I could see it. And

00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:11.900
even right now, the business that I'm starting,

00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.539
it was over there. And I could see it. And I

00:57:15.539 --> 00:57:17.949
thought. Oh, man, God, I don't know if I can

00:57:17.949 --> 00:57:19.449
get over there through these. And, you know,

00:57:19.449 --> 00:57:21.349
in your mind, you're trying to rationalize it.

00:57:21.550 --> 00:57:23.090
But what about this big well? How is it going

00:57:23.090 --> 00:57:25.289
to fit through the cornfields? And can I even

00:57:25.289 --> 00:57:27.409
peddle? And what if I get stuck in mud and all

00:57:27.409 --> 00:57:29.389
this stuff that runs through your mind? And God

00:57:29.389 --> 00:57:34.429
said, don't worry about that. Wow. You know,

00:57:34.429 --> 00:57:37.809
it seems like the enemy has really seen the anointing

00:57:37.809 --> 00:57:39.690
in your life, and that's why he attacked as much

00:57:39.690 --> 00:57:42.849
as he did. Kind of like the story of Job. You

00:57:42.849 --> 00:57:46.420
know, what about her? I bet if I did this to

00:57:46.420 --> 00:57:50.000
her, she wouldn't follow you. And look where

00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:54.099
you stand now, on top of it, with beautiful children,

00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:59.079
well -adjusted, happy children, in safety, understanding

00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:00.960
the protection of the Lord, understanding the

00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:02.820
love of the Lord, understanding the mercy and

00:58:02.820 --> 00:58:05.900
grace of the Lord, that He has more than brought

00:58:05.900 --> 00:58:08.880
you out of the sinister times, that He has more

00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:11.170
than brought you out of... The dark times that

00:58:11.170 --> 00:58:12.969
he's brought into a place where you could just

00:58:12.969 --> 00:58:17.110
share him with others and with authenticity Right.

00:58:17.110 --> 00:58:18.710
This isn't just something that you read out of

00:58:18.710 --> 00:58:20.269
the bible and you're like, hey, this is me. I'm

00:58:20.269 --> 00:58:23.670
all happy This is something you experienced Exactly,

00:58:23.670 --> 00:58:25.750
you know, i'm glad that you say that because

00:58:25.750 --> 00:58:27.530
I think about my oldest daughter and i'm a grandmother

00:58:27.530 --> 00:58:30.250
I have two little grand babies. My daughter just

00:58:30.250 --> 00:58:33.750
had a baby. He's almost three months And I have

00:58:33.750 --> 00:58:37.690
one my son -in -law He saw my daughter one of

00:58:37.690 --> 00:58:40.119
the things my daughter Whenever she got upset

00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:42.099
or emotional, she would listen to the Bible.

00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.199
She always wanted to listen to the Bible. And

00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:47.320
so when she was pregnant, he would be like, what

00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:49.480
can I do to calm me down? She's like, put on

00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:52.119
the Bible. So the more she started doing that,

00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.679
he started realizing this is actually working.

00:58:55.619 --> 00:58:59.099
What is with this Bible? And so she started letting

00:58:59.099 --> 00:59:01.460
him know that, you know, this is a part of my

00:59:01.460 --> 00:59:05.989
life and it's important to me. And I'm not trying

00:59:05.989 --> 00:59:07.570
to force you to do anything, but I just want

00:59:07.570 --> 00:59:09.829
you to know this is important to me. And he started

00:59:09.829 --> 00:59:12.630
seeing the power of it. And then one time he

00:59:12.630 --> 00:59:15.730
was, they were having a disagreement and you

00:59:15.730 --> 00:59:18.590
know, the concepts of, of, of God and religion

00:59:18.590 --> 00:59:21.210
were so abstracted. He thought it was just like

00:59:21.210 --> 00:59:23.690
pie in the sky. Jesus was like, okay, there's

00:59:23.690 --> 00:59:25.989
this big happy Santa in the sky and he's going

00:59:25.989 --> 00:59:29.090
to give you gifts. And I have to let him know.

00:59:29.369 --> 00:59:31.710
That's not the way it works. Because when God

00:59:31.710 --> 00:59:34.170
makes you a testimony and when God makes you

00:59:34.170 --> 00:59:36.789
a believer, there's nobody that can come along

00:59:36.789 --> 00:59:39.030
and say anything to change it. There's nothing

00:59:39.030 --> 00:59:41.010
that can happen that'll change it. You know the

00:59:41.010 --> 00:59:43.449
truth. You're not just a believer of it, but

00:59:43.449 --> 00:59:47.070
you are a knower. And so I was explaining the

00:59:47.070 --> 00:59:51.670
concept of faith to him. And I said, you today

00:59:51.670 --> 00:59:55.630
could do things that will make your tomorrow

00:59:55.630 --> 00:59:57.690
and the man that you'll be in five years, 10

00:59:57.690 --> 01:00:02.699
years better. You today can make a reality that

01:00:02.699 --> 01:00:06.440
that man can walk into, that you don't see it.

01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:11.679
You don't see it today. But if you believe it

01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.300
and you take the first step, that's what faith

01:00:14.300 --> 01:00:19.099
is. Faith is, I don't know what my tomorrow is,

01:00:19.380 --> 01:00:22.320
what I believe. I said, do you believe that you

01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.039
can be the business owner you want to be? And

01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:26.579
he said, yeah, I believe it. I said, well, the

01:00:26.579 --> 01:00:30.280
person today. has to not only believe it, but

01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:33.639
make steps towards it because that's how much

01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:36.059
you believe it. You can't just believe it in

01:00:36.059 --> 01:00:38.639
your heart. It has to be with your works as well.

01:00:38.860 --> 01:00:41.179
You have to walk in that direction. Give God

01:00:41.179 --> 01:00:45.539
something to bless. Right. And so that woke him

01:00:45.539 --> 01:00:48.039
up inside. And he remembered it. And he said,

01:00:48.059 --> 01:00:49.760
that's the first time somebody explained it to

01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:52.719
him where he could understand it. He didn't know

01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:54.900
faith was believing you can be that tomorrow

01:00:54.900 --> 01:00:58.420
person. He thought faith was this blind walk

01:00:58.420 --> 01:00:59.860
people have where they just believe whatever

01:00:59.860 --> 01:01:04.639
the Bible says. And I'm like, yeah and no, because

01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:07.960
the Bible is a book about people and their relationship

01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.039
with God. And a lot of those people didn't have

01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:13.760
a Bible. They had a relationship and God wants

01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.920
to relate with you. So yes, we believe what the

01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:19.780
Bible says, but we believe the testimonies of

01:01:19.780 --> 01:01:23.440
individuals that interacted with that God and

01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:27.510
their faith that led them to walk. I mean, you're

01:01:27.510 --> 01:01:29.710
talking about the lion's den kind of faith. You're

01:01:29.710 --> 01:01:31.809
talking about Shairach, Meshach, and Abednego

01:01:31.809 --> 01:01:34.510
kind of faith. You're talking about Abraham and

01:01:34.510 --> 01:01:38.269
the ram in the bush kind of faith. That's what

01:01:38.269 --> 01:01:42.610
these people are trying to convey to us. And

01:01:42.610 --> 01:01:45.570
not only is this a God that you can believe,

01:01:46.170 --> 01:01:49.010
but this is a God that shows up and puts the

01:01:49.010 --> 01:01:52.030
ram in the bush. If you just will believe and

01:01:52.030 --> 01:01:55.210
walk, if you would just believe and make that

01:01:55.210 --> 01:02:01.260
movement. So my relationship with God is not

01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:06.559
one that is so abstract or so holy that people

01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:10.079
can't, that God's out of reach. God is within

01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.280
your reach. And my daughter, she tells me how

01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:14.679
much she's thankful for me, you know, not giving

01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:18.280
up and to continue to grow and show her the relationship

01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:20.940
with God. She said that, you know, when she was

01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:22.579
a little kid, I didn't notice this, but she said

01:02:22.579 --> 01:02:24.079
when she was a little kid. and I'll take her

01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:25.980
to church and I'm writing in the Bible and I'm

01:02:25.980 --> 01:02:28.079
writing my notes and stuff. She said that she

01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:30.260
would pretend to do it too because she thought

01:02:30.260 --> 01:02:33.139
one day I'm going to be doing it too and I'm

01:02:33.139 --> 01:02:36.519
going to be. And so here she is now, a believer.

01:02:37.820 --> 01:02:41.920
And she bought her husband a Bible and it's a

01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.280
study Bible and she studies the Bible with him.

01:02:44.380 --> 01:02:46.380
And sometimes he'll take time out of his day

01:02:46.380 --> 01:02:48.940
to study the Bible. To me that means so much

01:02:48.940 --> 01:02:52.780
to me because he has a desire to want to know

01:02:52.780 --> 01:02:55.179
God. And it's not because somebody was jumping

01:02:55.179 --> 01:02:57.699
around and showing him some church activity.

01:02:58.019 --> 01:03:02.880
It was because someone was using the word to

01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:07.320
sustain and to grow and using the word in a way

01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:14.300
that he could relate to. How incredible, you

01:03:14.300 --> 01:03:17.739
know, now three generations of Christians going

01:03:17.739 --> 01:03:21.719
on for all blessed. from the one act of obedience,

01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:25.139
all blessed from the one act and repeated acts.

01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:28.980
I'm really very thankful to have heard your story

01:03:28.980 --> 01:03:32.139
and to have you on our podcast today. You are

01:03:32.139 --> 01:03:35.960
clearly blessed, chosen and favored by God. Clearly,

01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.420
there's no doubt in my mind. I just, you know,

01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:41.699
with closing, just pray that you continue to

01:03:41.699 --> 01:03:43.940
step forward in faith with Him and that He continues

01:03:43.940 --> 01:03:47.219
to bless you and your entire family for the rest

01:03:47.219 --> 01:03:50.730
of your existence. Oh, man. Thank you so much.

01:03:50.730 --> 01:03:53.489
I really appreciate that. I mean, we are just

01:03:53.489 --> 01:03:56.869
walking by faith and I just appreciate that.

01:03:56.889 --> 01:03:59.670
Thank you so much. You are quite welcome. You

01:03:59.670 --> 01:04:02.170
were clearly a blessing to others and you were

01:04:02.170 --> 01:04:06.769
blessed as evidence. Thank you. Thank you. You

01:04:06.769 --> 01:04:09.190
guys are a blessing to me, allowing me to come

01:04:09.190 --> 01:04:12.110
here and share my story, share my testimony.

01:04:12.190 --> 01:04:13.809
You know, I was really kind of nervous about

01:04:13.809 --> 01:04:17.769
what to say, but it sounds like God has had his

01:04:17.769 --> 01:04:20.420
way and and was able to convey the message that's

01:04:20.420 --> 01:04:23.280
in my heart, but I have so much to share because

01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:25.519
God has overflowed me, but I didn't want to,

01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:28.000
I don't want to go too far into different different

01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:32.119
areas, but just hold on to God. That's the best

01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.119
thing you can hold on to. And that's my message.

01:04:35.420 --> 01:04:39.360
Don't ever let God go for nothing. There's nothing

01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:43.159
in this world worth letting God go for. Amen.

01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:47.000
Amen. Thank you so much. Thank you for that,

01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:51.199
Alice. And we hope this has been a blessing to

01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:53.940
the listeners. And if somebody came up in your

01:04:53.940 --> 01:04:56.420
mind as you were listening to this episode, why

01:04:56.420 --> 01:05:00.239
wouldn't you share this with them? And hopefully

01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.460
they can be blessed as well. And we'll talk to

01:05:03.460 --> 01:05:07.179
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around the corner. Keep believing. Keep expecting

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and don't forget to share this with someone who

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needs help today. We'll talk to you next week.