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At the end of my life, I'm going to stand before

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the Lord and give an account for what He put

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on my life, and I won't be able to blame the

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culture on me. I won't be able to blame my husband.

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I won't be able to blame the pastors we served

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under. I can't blame anyone, you know? It's nobody's

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job but mine to steward my gifts and find a way

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to use them. Hey there, welcome to the God's

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Guinness Podcast. We are your hosts, Josh and

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Shelly Hankins, and we're here to share real

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stories of God's power, stories of hope, healing,

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and miracles that will strengthen your faith.

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No matter what you're walking through, we want

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to remind you that God is good and he's still

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moving today. Let's dive in. Welcome to another

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episode of God's Goodness podcast, where we explore

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the profound ways God's grace manifests in our

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lives. I'm thrilled to introduce today's guest,

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Jennilee Samuel, a remarkable woman whose journey

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epitomizes faith, resilience, and divine guidance.

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Jennilee is the host of the Java with Jenn podcast,

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a platform dedicated to helping listeners hear

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God's voice in their everyday lives. As a pastor,

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podcast coach, and mother of four boys, she brings

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a wealth of experience and insight into integrating

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faith with daily living. Our paths crossed when

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I sought guidance to elevate this very podcast.

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Under Jennilee's mentorship and by implementing

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her strategies, God's Goodness podcast soared

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into the top 10 % worldwide within just three

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weeks. Testament to work, expertise, and the

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divine timing of our collaboration. In today's

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conversation, we'll delve into Genele's personal

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experiences, including the challenges and miracles

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surrounding her home's flooding, the evolution

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of her ministry through podcasting, and the profound

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lessons she's learned about prayer, stewardship,

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and embracing one's calling. Join us as we explore

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these topics and more. uncovering the depths

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of God's goodness through Genele's inspiring

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journey. So thank you so much for being with

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us. I'm so honored to have you on God's Goodness

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podcast today. Jen, you've played such a meaningful

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role in my podcast journey. And beyond that,

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your heart for God, your boldness and your wisdom

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have truly inspired me. Before we dive into your

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incredible story, though, would you do us the

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honor of opening us with prayer? For sure and

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thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here

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All right, Father, we just thank you so much

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for this interview, for Shelly and for Josh and

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the work that they're doing with their podcast.

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And I thank you for the listener who's on the

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other side of their headphones or their car speakers

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right now. And I ask that Lord, wherever you

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take this conversation, that you would touch

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their heart, that you would touch their mind

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and that you would bring them truth that would

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bring another level of freedom in their lives.

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We are here to just serve and honor you. So Lord,

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guide this conversation. We give it to you, Lord,

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in Jesus' name. Amen. Now, I'll admit from the

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beginning, I text Jen more than my husband or

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own best friend. She and I have a lot of interests

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together. And one of those things is podcasting.

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And so if you could tell us like how you came

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to that, and because everybody has their own

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journey coming to podcasting, you never know

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what's going on in someone's life to get them

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there. So what was going on in your life and

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like how did God lead you to the podcasting world?

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Oh, 100%. So podcasting was not anything I dreamed

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about as a child because, hi, it didn't exist,

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right? And so podcasting didn't really start

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until around 2000, like around the millennial.

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shift. And so I always pictured myself being

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like Lisa Bevere, you know, preaching, writing

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books, raising a rock and amazing family and

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all of that. And so when I was a teenager and

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a young adult, I had leaders in my life that

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very much like cultivated the communication gifts

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in me, the leadership gifts in me, and the ability

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to, you know, just minister to my peers. And

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so I had opportunities to speak. When I was 19,

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I spoke in a stadium of 85 ,000. the teenagers

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when I was, I don't know, younger than that,

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16 maybe. I spoke at the Diamondback Stadium

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in Phoenix. And so I see that looking back now

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as the Lord really like watering and planting

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those seeds in my heart of like, this is what

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I want to do. When I was in sixth grade, I was

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terrified though, of people hearing my voice.

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So it was definitely a journey of like finding

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my voice. But then when I became married to a

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pastor, I thought, Amazing. This is my promised

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land. I'm about to step into this where we're

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going to preach into the sunset together, you

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know, whatever. And really what I found living

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in the South was that here, women are pastors'

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wives. That's what we are. And I very much felt,

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I don't know, like I was behind a window, like,

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hello, hello. I want to preach to minister too."

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And everybody couldn't see me. They couldn't

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hear me. They were like, oh, Stephen, you're

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the pastor, you know? And so he was always the

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one on payroll. And I fell into this, which a

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lot of pastor's wives fall into this space of

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just kind of this gray zone where we're not the

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hired ones. So it already kind of feels like

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we're not there because we're wanted for our

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skills or our... calling or our anointing we're

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there because our husband is there and so it's

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kind of this second hand so you feel kind of

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like a side dish a little bit and so I kind of

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you know the pastor's wives we oftentimes just

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kind of fill needs and fill gaps and you know

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we'll serve in kids church we'll serve on the

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worship team we'll we'll do the administrative

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work we'll sit at the front desk you know we'll

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do all these things because it's a need that's

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there and we want to be involved and so we're

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happy to do it. But many, many pastors' wives,

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particularly if they have a ministry call on

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their life, end up feeling very overlooked. And

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that's how I felt. And so I spent years, like

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just crying, probably the 10 or 12 first years

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of our marriage, crying because I felt like I

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couldn't find my place. I felt lost. And I had

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very much as a single person, you know, if people

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recognized the certain specific giftings that

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were on me and were able to utilize them for

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what was on me. But as a married person, I just

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felt invisible. And so after a while, I realized

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I had some weird ideas around how you can step

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into your gifts. And I kind of expected that

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doors would just open or invitations would just

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come or people would just look at me and go,

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oh my gosh, you're so great at this. You should

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do blah, blah, blah. You know, and that's a little...

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Naive, I think, to think that the world works

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that way. And anyway, so after about 10 or 12

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years, I had this epiphany where we were transitioning

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out of college ministry, where I did have some

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room to disciple women. So I did have more of

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a place there. And we were shifting out of college

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ministry into a type of discipleship, pastoring

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role at the church. But it was my husband that

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was going to be in that position, not me. And

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so I knew that I would need an outlet. for mentoring

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and discipling and whatever. And for about two

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months, I started to believe a lie. And the lie

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that I was starting to believe was that men or

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not males per se, but just mankind or people

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could stand in the way of me fulfilling the call

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of God on my life. I thought about women in India

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who don't ever get educated or these different

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situations where Wow, maybe I won't fulfill the

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call of God on my life because of the culture

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around me. And it was the most depressing two

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months of my life that I believed that. And then

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one day suddenly, I think the Holy Spirit just

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kind of brought this revelation where I realized

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like at the end of my life, I'm going to stand

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before the Lord and give an account for what

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He put on my life and I won't be able to blame.

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the cults around me. I won't be able to blame

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my husband. I won't be able to blame the pastors

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we served under. I can't blame anyone. You know,

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it's nobody's job but mine to steward my gifts

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and find a way to use them. And so I decided,

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well, then I need to get to work. And so that

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shifted my mindset from waiting for invitations

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to come to realizing I've got to get to work.

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And so I decided to start a podcast. I thought

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that sounded like I could go hide in a corner

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behind a microphone somewhere and just develop

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my skills in the quiet. And then, you know, as

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it grew and I was starting to be listened to

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around the world, I was like, OK, maybe this

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isn't as secret and private as I thought. But

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it definitely became an outlet for me that I

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had never thought that I would do, you know,

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obviously. It wasn't on my life mission plan,

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but I realized in looking back that I think the

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Lord kept a lot of doors closed because he could

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have opened them. You know, he could have brought

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those invitations and I think he kept them closed

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so that I would be forced to pivot and to look

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around and find another solution because he wanted

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me in the podcasting space and I didn't know

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that. So that's the story. That's how it came

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about. So how long did it take you? to get the

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idea I'm gonna do this to like release the first

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episode yeah I let's see I remember sitting at

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my friend's I want to say was around Christmas

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time in 2016 and no it must have been 2015 because

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let's say we flooded and I don't know, the dates

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blur. Our home flooded somewhere around when

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I was launching, like the month after I decided

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to launch. But anyways, it was maybe six to seven

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months. And I was like, I'm going to do this.

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I'm going to start a podcast. And I realized,

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well, holy crap, I've got a lot of things to

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learn. So I got to work online trying to figure

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out what I was doing and having no clue what

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I was doing. And then the month after I launched

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my podcast, our home flooded in Hurricane Harvey.

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So that delayed things for a year. And so yeah,

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it was a bit of a journey trying to figure it

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out, but it was about seven months or so. Wow.

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You know, when you had this idea that you wanted

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to join your husband pastoring and ministering

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to the people, what was the chief drawback? Was

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it where you were? Was it most people were thinking

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that women couldn't be in that position or was

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it more so like that? Was it more of a religious

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point of view or is it like the men point of

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view that they didn't think a woman should do

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it? It was a little bit of both, and when I say

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that, it was like... Death by a thousand paper

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cuts. It was these subtle behaviors that would

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just kind of show up. For example, you know,

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if people would want an update on the college

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ministry and pastor would, you know, we were,

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we were not senior pastors. And so he would,

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you know, call us up for the, they would just

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always call up my husband and they would never

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call me up to say anything, you know, or if we

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were showing up somewhere as guest ministers,

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they would always hand the mic to my husband.

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And usually I would just stand there and smile.

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And then that was the end of it. And some of

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it was my husband, he came from an Indian culture,

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Middle Eastern. And so he had never really seen

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well. how to pull your wife in. So I think some

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of it was his learning. And, you know, we kind

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of default to our natural cultures. And so in

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his parents' home, his dad did all the preaching

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and mom would show up and just sing and be supportive,

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you know. And so I was like, bro, you didn't

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marry a backup singer. Like, come on now. And

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so he had to he had to learn. But I remember

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one time going up to this woman was ministering.

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She was prophetic. And there was a prayer line.

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She was prophesying over people. And one of the

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elders of the church was like, hey, we want you

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to get ministered to as a staff member. So there

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was moments where there was there was value for

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me as a staff member. But then I get up there

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and she was struggling to get a word, struggling

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to get a word. And then she found out I was Stephen's

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wife and she goes, oh, and then she starts prophesying

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over me about how my role is at home to support

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my husband and all this stuff. You know, so I

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was like, I was kind of sick to my stomach over

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the things she was saying, not that any of it

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was particularly untrue. But it was just suddenly

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she was like, oh, or I'd introduce myself to

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people in public and, you know, people that the

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cashier at the store and they'd be like, oh,

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well, what do you do? And I'm like, oh, my husband

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and I are pastors. And they would always, always

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go, oh, your husband's a pastor. How long has

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he been doing that? And they would immediately

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just start asking about my husband or, you know,

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a friend at school. The parents were like, honey,

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come over. Her husband's a pastor. He's in ministry.

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And it just always was my husband. And so I was

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like, And I don't know what I was particularly

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looking for, you know, but it was just these

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minor little things where I was always like,

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am I on pastoral? Am I not on pastoral? Am I

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not on this paid salary? So it's just all these

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little things that, and I would say it was just

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me, except that I sat with so many pastors wives,

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younger ones who would come to my office. crying

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because they felt so overlooked they felt lost

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and it's it's like this it's again i think it's

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honor treats people with value and dishonor is

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when we treat someone as common and so i think

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just a lot of times pastors wives just feel like

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this gap plugger and not that we are being valued

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for the unique thing that we bring to the table.

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And I think that's, that's hard for anyone to

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experience. And so, I don't know if that answers

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your question. Oh yeah, doubtless. Absolutely.

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And doubtless they would experience such things.

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When you consider that the wives are called as

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the helper, and then you realize through reading

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your Bible that God calls Himself the helper,

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Jesus is the helper, and the Holy Spirit is the

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helper. You realize the awesomeness of what that

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helper actually is. So, it really seems odd that

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they would minimize that role into a tertiary

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non -speaking part and like you know like you're

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an extra in a movie he's like i just need you

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to walk from here to there and that's what i

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need you to do yeah that's a great analogy an

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extra in the movie that's what i feel like never

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the leading lady always the extra in the movie

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that's what it feels like yeah yeah Hey there,

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along with what you just shared. So what have

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you learned about taking action in God's kingdom

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and multiplying the gifts He's placed in your

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life? So like that podcasting, it's led to more

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things than that. But like, what have you learned

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about taking action in God's kingdom and multiplying

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the gifts He's placed in your life? Okay. Yes.

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So, well, basically kind of in that epiphany

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moment that I had where I realized I'm not just

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going to receive an invitation. I have to kind

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of create a pathway that confronted some wrong

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thinking, not wrong thinking, unbalanced thinking,

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because it's not wrong. You know, I think sometimes

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we're taught in the church like that if you You

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don't want to get in the arm of the flesh is

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a phrase we hear. You know, you don't want to

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force something. You want to let God move. You

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know, let the Lord do what He's going to do.

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And I think because I had that idea, I so strongly

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wanted my life to be a spirit led life that I

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kind of went to the far extreme of stand back

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and let the Lord do all the things. But as we

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see in scripture, It is always a partnership.

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Man always has to do something to partner with

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what the Lord is doing. We have to do our part

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so the Lord can do what he can do. And so I realized

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that I had a responsibility. To take what was

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on my life and multiply it like do something

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with it in the parable of the talents You know,

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you have those those three servants, which if

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anyone's unfamiliar with this parable It's these

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servants who were given by the master a certain

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amount of money and he was gonna be leaving town

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and he said when I come back I'll check in and

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see what you've done with the money that I've

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given you and the assumption is that they were

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going to Steward it. Well do something multiply

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it whatever so the first guy gets the least amount

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of money and it It's interesting it says that

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they were given the amount proportionate to their

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skill. And so it's interesting, he's the one

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with the least amount of money, but he decided,

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you know, he felt the master was a harsh taskmaster.

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He was afraid of him. And so he went and buried

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his money in the ground so that he knew that

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he could return what was given to him. But the

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other two went and they took it and they turned

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it into a business. And so they were able to

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multiply it into twice what they were given.

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So when the master came back and checked in with

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them, the two that multiplied the money they

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were given, he said, well done, good and faithful

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service. but the one who had buried it was reprimanded

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as evil and wicked and unfaithful. And we forget

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that God doesn't expect us to just give back

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to Him what He's given us. He expects us to do

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something with it, to multiply it. Everything

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God does creates more of its kind. In Genesis,

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it said that the Lord made plants and He made

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animals and He made man, and He gave all of us

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seed to create more of our own kind. And so when

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you are stewarding the gifts on your life, you

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are essentially putting seed into someone else,

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whether it's through your wisdom or whether it's

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into your business, through strategies of growth,

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or whether it's, you know, you're a teacher and

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you're pouring into the lives of your students.

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But we are always meant because life is the way

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of God. The way of life is to create more of

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its own kind. And so when we steward our gifts,

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it's meant to be multiplied. So by me running

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my podcast network, that's a type of me creating

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more of its own kind. I'm training people who

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don't know how to podcast how to podcast. And

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so I think that answers your question, but that's

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I realized how much that by sitting back and

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just expecting God to open doors That alleviates

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us that's the wrong belief because it removes

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our responsibility to take action and get to

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work, you know You said that after you'd started

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the podcast about a month later that you guys

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had a flood from Hurricane Harvey And they said

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there's a bunch of miracles and I'm kind of interested

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to hear that story 100%. Yeah. So let's see.

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We, I remember I was, it was a Friday morning

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and the kids had gone to school and I'm watching

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the news. My friend messages me and she's like,

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there's a hurricane coming. And I was like, okay,

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I'll check it out. So I'm watching the news and

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the dilemma living in hurricane alley is always.

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Are they being dramatic on the news? Will there

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really be death and flooding or do we need to

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just stay here? Because it's expensive to evacuate

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every time. You got to book hotels and take time

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off work and all this kind of stuff. And so it's

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always that dilemma. So I remember asking the

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Holy Spirit like, Lord, should we evacuate? I'm

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sitting there like folding clothes, doing laundry.

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And the Holy Spirit tells me, he goes, well,

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you can hunker down if you want to. I was like,

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uh. That doesn't sound very good. And so I kind

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of have this philosophy of if the power is going

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to go out and we're going to lose water, I'm

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getting my kids out of here because then I can't

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get to the grocery store and we can't shower.

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You know, it's a whole pain in the butt. So and

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usually hurricane season is hot weather. So you

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don't want to lose your AC. You got to pick your

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heart. Pick your heart. Exactly. And so I decided

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to evacuate and I took. three of my four boys,

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one of them wanted to stay back with Stephen.

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And so we usually evacuate three to four hours

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north to Tyler. And so I took them and I took

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all of their little like precious stuffed animals

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that each had one, you know, that they had taken

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from the crib. And I remembered the Holy Spirit,

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except I didn't know it was the Holy Spirit.

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I had the idea with my oldest sons, he was in

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junior high, right? So he's in this phase where

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he's like, Mr. Cool, you know? And everything

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I do is uncool. And so I had the idea to bring

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his stuffed animal. And I just kept thinking,

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that's dumb, that's stupid. Like, even if he

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catches up with us later, he's gonna think it's

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dumb, I brought his dog. So I didn't bring it.

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And then later I realized that was the Holy Spirit,

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because we flooded. So that was Friday. So the

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storm didn't really hit until Monday, but Hurricane

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Harvey in 2017. It was like a bad breakup. It's

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the storm. It's like the girlfriend that won't

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leave you alone. And so it came and it moved

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really slow and dumped a ton of water and then

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it went out to the Gulf and gained. more strength

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and came back through and dumped more water very

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slowly and then went out to the gulf and did

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it a third time and so we had this insane amount

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of water like our home had water to 10 feet it

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was and we had just built our home we had been

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living in it six months and so Now, the Lord

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was so kind. My husband was here, you know, to

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continue helping at the church. He ended up sending

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our oldest son with his sister to Louisiana.

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And so once the storm is happening, we know that

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our house is kind of in harm's way. And then

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my kid is in another state. I was like, how do

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I get my kid to me? But I had a dream. and we

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didn't know the condition of our home. We just

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knew, I mean, people were calling. It was like

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a bad movie you couldn't wake up from. And I

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remember feeling like in the morning, surely

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things will be calmed down, but in the morning

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it was worse, you know? So we were, people are

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on Facebook, help, we're stranded, stuck on our

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roof. The waters are rising and our dogs are

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stuck inside of the trailer or we're all on the

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roof and there's no emergency vehicles. Like

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no one can get to us, help save us, you know?

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And so we see all these like cries for help.

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on Facebook, I'm getting phone calls from people.

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Is there an emergency line I can call? Yeah,

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I mean, it was like literally like a bad movie.

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And so I'm kind of playing dispatch from where

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I'm at. We had friends from Austin and San Antonio

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that had airlines that would help fly things

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in. And so my husband and people, everyone in

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Texas owns a truck and a boat, right? And so

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they would take their trucks and boats, go to

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high water and they would literally men. just

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showed up and they would grab their boats and

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they would float through neighborhoods and rescue

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people. And that's what my husband did. He rescued

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quite a few people whose homes were just literally

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underwater. So we didn't know the condition of

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our home until... Probably a week a weekend because

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our area was one of the most flooded areas and

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honestly It was not even the storm that flooded

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us. It was the city They opened the levees and

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that flooded our area within just a few hours

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anyway So my husband's rescuing people and the

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Lord gives me a dream because we don't know what's

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going on and in the dream I walked into our home

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and the walls were all white in real life. They

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were blue like what you see behind me And I walked

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in, the walls are white, and I see water lines

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above our fireplace, like up to about the top

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of the TV. And so I knew that that's, you know,

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nine, 10 feet up. And that was all I saw. I saw

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the paint was coming off the walls, but I had

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total peace, like 100 % peace. And so the next

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morning my husband calls and he's kind of stressed

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out. He's like, I don't know the condition of

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our home, but I can't get back to our neighborhood.

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And there's people showing up at the church needing

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help. I mean, families everywhere were flooding.

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And he was like, just be praying. And I said,

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babe, I think there's a good chance that we lost

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everything. But we're going to be OK. Like the

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Lord's going to take care of us. And he was,

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you know, panicked. He feels the pressure of

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we just lost everything we just built. You know,

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we dumped our life savings into our house and

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now we have nothing and no insurance. So anyway,

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so we finally the Waco Navy had been releasing.

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There's a Waco Navy and there's a Cajun Navy

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and they're kind of like. Navy armies that are

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run just by the people that live and volunteer

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in the area, right? And so the Waco Navy was

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boating through our neighborhood at rooftop level,

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hollering for survivors. And I'm at the hotel

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in Tyler and I'm having some time with the Lord.

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Still, we're unsure what the condition of our

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home is. And I'm listening to this music video

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from Jen Johnson. And all the video is like,

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it's going to be OK, something like that's playing

00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.140
in the background on Spotify. And Stephen sends

00:25:06.140 --> 00:25:08.700
me a message and he goes, hey, click this link.

00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:11.579
It's a video someone found on Facebook of the

00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:14.200
Waco Navy boating through our neighborhood. And

00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:17.819
so I click the link and the video pulls up. I

00:25:17.819 --> 00:25:20.460
still have it on my phone and. In the background

00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:23.480
is Jen Johnson singing. It's going to be OK.

00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.299
And they're like boating through at rooftop level.

00:25:26.420 --> 00:25:30.400
Just it's silence. And they're like, hello, anybody

00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.420
out there? Just hollering for survivors. And

00:25:33.420 --> 00:25:36.400
there's our little house up to the roof in water.

00:25:36.619 --> 00:25:39.599
And I was like. Thank you, Lord, everything is

00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.599
going to be OK. You know, like he just those

00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.220
little tiny moments, little God winks, if you

00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:46.519
will. So there was so many miracles throughout

00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:49.720
the whole experience, but. It was definitely

00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:51.980
something that the Lord just kind of walked us

00:25:51.980 --> 00:25:54.700
by the hand into through that dream, through

00:25:54.700 --> 00:25:57.440
those little moments. And then every step of

00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.839
the way, He walked us through it. And so once

00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.880
we realized our home was underwater, my next

00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.440
hurdle was, how do I tell the kids? You know,

00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:10.079
like... they've lost everything they know and

00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:13.359
my my son who had been in Louisiana was brought

00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:15.759
to me and Tyler and when he gets out of the car

00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.819
he's wearing basketball shorts and an old ratty

00:26:18.819 --> 00:26:21.019
t -shirt that doesn't match and he has this little

00:26:21.019 --> 00:26:23.019
backpack he's wearing rain boots with no socks

00:26:23.019 --> 00:26:25.440
and he's got this little backpack and he has

00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:29.359
his Kindle and that's all he had and I was like

00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:32.789
where's all your clothes and he goes Dad told

00:26:32.789 --> 00:26:34.630
me to pack, but I thought we were going back

00:26:34.630 --> 00:26:37.410
to the house. And so I just grabbed my Kindle

00:26:37.410 --> 00:26:39.470
and the rain boots because it was wet outside.

00:26:39.630 --> 00:26:43.329
And I was like, in that moment, I realized this

00:26:43.329 --> 00:26:45.670
kid is wearing and holding everything he owns

00:26:45.670 --> 00:26:49.549
in the world right now. And so, like, I had to

00:26:49.549 --> 00:26:52.609
guard my heart from the overwhelming emotions

00:26:52.609 --> 00:26:55.680
that would try to come of, like... You have nothing.

00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:57.880
You know, you are technically homeless right

00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.619
now. You know, it was like really big emotions.

00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:03.980
And so I just, I looked at him and I said, we're

00:27:03.980 --> 00:27:05.740
going to Walmart. We're getting you a duffel

00:27:05.740 --> 00:27:07.380
bag. We're getting you some clothes, you know?

00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.559
And so, and of course in my heart, we didn't

00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.259
know how we were going to take care of all this.

00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:14.339
We had just spent our life savings on the house.

00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:16.880
We didn't have flood insurance yet because we

00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:19.599
were in a no flood zone. And so technically we

00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:22.420
should have been flooding. And so there was so

00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:24.700
many huge question marks. And I was like, Lord,

00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.460
how do I do this with the kids? Because I was

00:27:27.460 --> 00:27:31.559
so aware that they are young and my oldest was

00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.680
around 12. And so my youngest was around four

00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.079
or five. And I was like, they're watching to

00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.279
see how we walk through this. We are programming

00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:40.799
their brains right now. How do you respond to

00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.019
tragedy? And so I was like, oh, man, school did

00:27:45.019 --> 00:27:47.140
not equip me for this. And so I was like, Lord,

00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:50.869
What do I do? Like, how do I protect their hearts

00:27:50.869 --> 00:27:54.569
from this trauma? And he reminded me of the words

00:27:54.569 --> 00:27:58.210
of Bill Johnson, who said, I stay encouraged

00:27:58.210 --> 00:28:02.009
by looking for what the Lord is doing. And so

00:28:02.009 --> 00:28:04.230
that became my mantra. The Lord kept bringing

00:28:04.230 --> 00:28:08.779
that phrase to mind. When I did finally tell

00:28:08.779 --> 00:28:10.380
the boys about the house, I kind of told them

00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:12.359
in phases, like, okay, there's a little water

00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.559
in the house. Okay, there was a lot of water

00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.240
in the house, you know, different nights. And

00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:18.619
then we would talk about it. And so I just kept

00:28:18.619 --> 00:28:21.240
telling them, I was like, hey, boys, God is going

00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.140
to use this for our good. He's going to turn

00:28:23.140 --> 00:28:25.059
this around. He's going to bless us through this

00:28:25.059 --> 00:28:28.859
whole process. You watch. And so sure enough,

00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:31.799
like There was one day while we were in Tyler

00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:35.059
that we had been not doing anything besides swimming

00:28:35.059 --> 00:28:38.279
at the hotel and eating cheaply because I didn't

00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:40.599
know if we'd have any money to do any of the

00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:41.859
things. So, you know, we're trying to scrimp

00:28:41.859 --> 00:28:45.180
and save and protect the finances. And so finally

00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:48.039
one night I was stressed because I had been dispatching

00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.599
all those calls, helping airplanes fly into the

00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.740
airport to send rescue supplies. go rescue this

00:28:53.740 --> 00:28:55.339
person they're stuck on their roof you know so

00:28:55.339 --> 00:28:57.180
I was kind of stressed in the background and

00:28:57.180 --> 00:28:59.279
then trying to figure out the kids and so I said

00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:01.380
boys we're gonna go watch a movie we're gonna

00:29:01.380 --> 00:29:03.960
go out we're just gonna splurge a little so we

00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.460
went to a studio movie grill had a great time

00:29:06.460 --> 00:29:09.940
and then afterwards there's a marshals or burlington

00:29:09.940 --> 00:29:12.579
or something right there and so I told the boys

00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:15.299
I said let's go walk through and then I said

00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:18.359
but and they go we know we know don't ask for

00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.450
anything I feel terrible. And so I said, okay,

00:29:22.549 --> 00:29:24.549
we'll just walk around. It's whatever. So we

00:29:24.549 --> 00:29:26.910
go in there and my son finds this leather jacket.

00:29:27.549 --> 00:29:29.490
And he's like, mom, look how great this looks

00:29:29.490 --> 00:29:32.329
on me. And it was like $25. It was not a lot.

00:29:33.250 --> 00:29:35.829
And I was like, bub, that looks amazing. And

00:29:35.829 --> 00:29:37.670
I was like, I don't think we can get it right

00:29:37.670 --> 00:29:42.349
now. And if I cry when I tell these stories,

00:29:42.450 --> 00:29:44.049
you'll have to forgive me. It was just such a

00:29:44.049 --> 00:29:48.869
powerful experience. Nothing to forgive. He's

00:29:48.869 --> 00:29:50.470
holding on to it. I was like, just hold on to

00:29:50.470 --> 00:29:53.589
it. Let me just pray and ask the Lord like What's

00:29:53.589 --> 00:29:56.490
gonna be good? Like what's gonna be wise? and

00:29:56.490 --> 00:29:58.970
so as as we're walking through the store and

00:29:58.970 --> 00:30:01.289
they're all finding things that they look like

00:30:01.289 --> 00:30:03.769
I Asked the Holy Spirit. I was like Lord. I don't

00:30:03.769 --> 00:30:05.809
know if we're gonna have like money for what

00:30:05.809 --> 00:30:08.029
we need to do I don't know if we're gonna be

00:30:08.029 --> 00:30:10.670
able to rebuild our home. Like what do I need

00:30:10.670 --> 00:30:14.410
to do? Like what's gonna be wise? And the Lord

00:30:14.410 --> 00:30:18.180
says he goes gently I want you to take care of

00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:23.859
my babies." So I said, okay. And I just felt

00:30:23.859 --> 00:30:27.299
in my heart like he was like, just bless my babies.

00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.319
And so I said, okay. And so I said, okay, boys,

00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.059
the Lord spoke to me. Here's what we're gonna

00:30:32.059 --> 00:30:35.039
do. All y 'all go and pick out a toy and pick

00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.339
out some piece of clothing that you like, pajamas

00:30:37.339 --> 00:30:40.440
or jacket or whatever. And the Lord told me.

00:30:40.490 --> 00:30:42.009
that I need to take care of y 'all. Y 'all are

00:30:42.009 --> 00:30:44.269
his babies and he's going to take care of us."

00:30:44.269 --> 00:30:46.549
And so they said, okay. They were all excited.

00:30:47.210 --> 00:30:50.609
And so they all picked something out. And no

00:30:50.609 --> 00:30:53.589
sooner do we get in the car. I haven't even left

00:30:53.589 --> 00:30:55.809
the parking lot and I get these alerts on my

00:30:55.809 --> 00:30:59.289
phone. And someone that I had babysat for growing

00:30:59.289 --> 00:31:02.789
up said, he sent you a thousand dollars in PayPal.

00:31:03.009 --> 00:31:04.829
And then another alert said, your mom sent you

00:31:04.829 --> 00:31:07.730
$500 in PayPal. And so before we even left the

00:31:07.730 --> 00:31:09.650
parking lot, there was fifteen hundred dollars

00:31:09.650 --> 00:31:12.049
sitting in my account to take care of my babies,

00:31:12.049 --> 00:31:14.410
you know, and so I was like, oh, Lord, you're

00:31:14.410 --> 00:31:18.009
so good. And so the whole process of recovering

00:31:18.009 --> 00:31:21.490
was stories like that of like the Lord would

00:31:21.490 --> 00:31:23.410
just bring these little moments where someone

00:31:23.410 --> 00:31:26.390
would step in and and I would pick up the boys

00:31:26.390 --> 00:31:28.309
from school when we finally got back in town

00:31:28.309 --> 00:31:30.369
and finally got back into a routine while we

00:31:30.369 --> 00:31:32.849
were rebuilding. And there's so many stories

00:31:32.849 --> 00:31:34.890
I could tell you for an hour, you know, where

00:31:34.890 --> 00:31:37.440
someone paid off their school tuition for the

00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:38.960
rest of the year, so we didn't have to worry

00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.119
about it, where they paid lunches so that we

00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:42.980
didn't have to pack lunches for the rest of the

00:31:42.980 --> 00:31:46.240
year. And then someone at church gave us his

00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:49.900
rental house to live in, and he paid for the

00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:52.240
utilities and the water, and we didn't have to

00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.240
pay rent. Like, he just took care of it because

00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.400
he's like, I want to make sure that you guys

00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.000
are taken care of. And, you know, there was another

00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.000
day that when my husband was shortly after the

00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.500
storm, Our church had become like a distribution

00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:07.819
center and my husband was running it and we still

00:32:07.819 --> 00:32:09.480
hadn't seen the house yet. So it's like right

00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.440
after the storm and I was still in Tyler and

00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.359
there was a gentleman who came. Jay Hall was

00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.819
his name and he was from out of town, but originally

00:32:18.819 --> 00:32:22.339
from Orange and he met Steven. Of course, you

00:32:22.339 --> 00:32:24.160
know, checking in on how everything was going

00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:26.420
and he's just talking and finds out that our

00:32:26.420 --> 00:32:28.539
house was still underwater. We didn't know what

00:32:28.539 --> 00:32:30.599
condition was, but my husband is helping the

00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.400
people in the area. And so Jay looks at him and

00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:37.559
he goes, I own a high end furniture store in

00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.319
Tennessee. When you guys are ready for furniture,

00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.619
I want to furnish your whole home. Wow. Yeah.

00:32:43.900 --> 00:32:46.829
And I was like, that's expensive. Yeah, and celebrities

00:32:46.829 --> 00:32:49.210
celebrities shop at his store, you know, and

00:32:49.210 --> 00:32:51.390
so sure enough, I mean, I, I was when no matter

00:32:51.390 --> 00:32:53.950
if it was big lots of all your whole home with

00:32:53.950 --> 00:32:56.430
four children, that's that's a lot of furniture.

00:32:56.470 --> 00:32:58.470
It's expensive. It's a lot of furniture. Yeah,

00:32:58.650 --> 00:33:02.519
exactly. And so I, you know, it's like, OK. That's

00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:04.559
so sweet. We'll see. You know, people get very

00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.819
moved emotionally. But then when the time comes,

00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.319
the commitment's not always there. But sure enough,

00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.960
nine months later, we were ready to find furniture.

00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.160
And I was on a FaceTime call with Jay walking

00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.240
around his warehouse picking out furniture from

00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:18.940
FaceTime. And he had it sent down here. And it

00:33:18.940 --> 00:33:22.809
was so many miracles like that. And I would tell

00:33:22.809 --> 00:33:24.690
the boys every time I'd pick them up from school,

00:33:24.990 --> 00:33:27.069
guys, guess what God did for us today? Guess

00:33:27.069 --> 00:33:29.470
what God did for us today. And so we kept looking

00:33:29.470 --> 00:33:33.029
for what God was doing. And at the end of the

00:33:33.029 --> 00:33:36.009
year, it was New Year's and we were reflecting

00:33:36.009 --> 00:33:38.910
on the year. And I asked the boys, like, what

00:33:38.910 --> 00:33:40.950
was the best part of this year? I know it was

00:33:40.950 --> 00:33:43.250
a hard year. You guys lost everything. But what

00:33:43.250 --> 00:33:45.890
was your highlight of this year? And they all

00:33:45.890 --> 00:33:50.190
said, Hurricane Harvey. And when they said that,

00:33:50.190 --> 00:33:54.690
I was like, What? How? And they were like, because

00:33:54.690 --> 00:33:58.049
we got new bikes and new toys and new beds and

00:33:58.049 --> 00:34:01.170
new clothes. We got new everything. It was awesome.

00:34:01.430 --> 00:34:04.650
And I just felt like the Lord was like, you kept

00:34:04.650 --> 00:34:06.710
looking for what I was doing. And that's what

00:34:06.710 --> 00:34:10.449
they saw. So it was just it was only the Lord

00:34:10.449 --> 00:34:12.230
could take. Sorry, I don't normally cry this

00:34:12.230 --> 00:34:16.050
much over it. We'll blame the sunburn. It's the

00:34:16.050 --> 00:34:20.760
Holy Spirit. But the Lord was like, I just was

00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.000
like, Lord, only you can take what's devastating

00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.500
and turn it into a blessing. Only you can do

00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:28.139
that. And so anyway, so I took a very long time.

00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.980
No, no, that's okay. You know, I think of how

00:34:30.980 --> 00:34:33.260
Jesus says we have to be like these little ones.

00:34:33.759 --> 00:34:35.780
And what did the little ones do? They don't worry

00:34:35.780 --> 00:34:37.280
where their food's coming from. They don't worry

00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:38.539
where they're going to sleep. They don't worry

00:34:38.539 --> 00:34:40.380
what they're going to wear, right? They just

00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:43.300
trust implicitly to their parents, right? And

00:34:43.300 --> 00:34:46.019
so you got a nice little lesson when you're out

00:34:46.019 --> 00:34:48.599
in Burlington or Marshalls or whatever it was,

00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.219
and he's telling you to take care of his babies

00:34:51.219 --> 00:34:53.280
because he knew he was taking care of you. He

00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:55.880
wanted you to learn the lesson that they had

00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:57.739
already known. They didn't have that fear of

00:34:57.739 --> 00:34:59.380
where things were coming. They just trusted their

00:34:59.380 --> 00:35:02.599
parent. And then he made you, he developed that

00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:06.699
trust. Further with you and him. Yeah, and as

00:35:06.699 --> 00:35:08.800
a result, I think you were probably a little

00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:12.099
bit more keen on spotting When he says things

00:35:12.099 --> 00:35:14.380
when he moves in your life than you were before

00:35:14.380 --> 00:35:16.739
that event, you know You say why I realize it

00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:18.380
now is the Holy Spirit that told me to do this

00:35:18.380 --> 00:35:20.920
But you know had this idea and I've realized

00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:24.460
later, right? But I bet you realize sooner now

00:35:24.460 --> 00:35:28.179
That the Holy Spirit's talking to you Yeah, I

00:35:28.179 --> 00:35:30.039
think, well, I mean, I think hearing the Lord

00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.039
being led by him was a normal thing for me. But

00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.019
I think in that whole experience, I definitely

00:35:35.019 --> 00:35:38.440
learned to look for what just to look for what

00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.199
he's doing, because so often it can be easy to

00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.539
get our eyes on the storm. Right. And to and

00:35:43.539 --> 00:35:45.559
to get distracted by what's not happening. In

00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.300
fact, there was one point in that process that.

00:35:49.019 --> 00:35:51.519
It was like we hadn't seen a lot of movement

00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.900
as far as the Lord stepping in and intervening

00:35:53.900 --> 00:35:56.219
and things were starting to pile. I needed a

00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:58.360
vacuum. I needed this. I needed that. And I was

00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:00.519
starting to feel stressed because I was focused

00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:04.079
on what was not happening. And I remember I was

00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.260
driving, running errands, you know, picking up

00:36:06.260 --> 00:36:08.460
things that we needed. And I was kind of stress

00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:10.760
praying to the Lord like, oh God, I don't know

00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.219
what we're going to do. And then I just, it dawned

00:36:13.219 --> 00:36:15.460
on me and I was like, I haven't told the Lord

00:36:15.460 --> 00:36:18.579
thank you for what He's done. in a couple weeks.

00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.000
And so I stopped myself and I was like, you know

00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:22.940
what, Lord, you have done so much for us. And

00:36:22.940 --> 00:36:24.579
I just started listing all the things he had

00:36:24.579 --> 00:36:27.360
done to that point. And then at the end of that,

00:36:27.619 --> 00:36:29.840
I felt my heart felt full. You know, I was focused

00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.099
on what he was doing. And I remember praying,

00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.519
I said, Lord, if I can ask you for one thing

00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.539
right now, I would love for you to not just meet

00:36:38.539 --> 00:36:42.059
our needs, but we have 40 to 50 families in the

00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:44.760
church that lost everything. And I said, I want

00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.519
you to show up in a big way and provide finances

00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.480
for all these families in like a way that moves

00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.960
the needle. Like I need big money. Like I need

00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:55.800
you to bring big money for all these families

00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.000
in our church. I don't know how you're going

00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.539
to do it, but you're pretty awesome. So you can

00:36:58.539 --> 00:37:01.179
figure it out. And then no joke, the next morning,

00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:03.380
our church got a call from Good Morning America.

00:37:03.869 --> 00:37:06.989
And they said, we heard that your church has

00:37:06.989 --> 00:37:08.949
undergone a lot of loss and that there are a

00:37:08.949 --> 00:37:11.610
lot of families who are struggling to make things

00:37:11.610 --> 00:37:14.710
work. And so we've partnered with Home Depot

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and we're going to send, I think it was $3 ,000

00:37:18.510 --> 00:37:20.909
gift cards to everyone in your family or your

00:37:20.909 --> 00:37:23.389
church that has suffered loss. And we're doing

00:37:23.389 --> 00:37:26.510
a pop up where you guys can come and anything

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free from this Home Depot pop up. and literally

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the day after. And so what I learned in that

00:37:35.019 --> 00:37:38.760
moment again was... look for what the Lord is

00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.800
doing. If we stay focused on what He's doing

00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.719
and has done, we stay in faith. But when we look

00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:45.940
away from that, we get into fear, we get into

00:37:45.940 --> 00:37:48.940
lack, we get into stress, and prayers that are

00:37:48.940 --> 00:37:52.300
not in faith are not answered. Those stress prayers

00:37:52.300 --> 00:37:54.840
don't move heaven. It's the faith prayers that

00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.699
move heaven. And so that was really my biggest

00:37:57.699 --> 00:38:00.139
takeaway from the whole experience. It was pretty

00:38:00.139 --> 00:38:03.489
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00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:48.820
to prayer. Now back to the show. I was just having

00:38:48.820 --> 00:38:52.280
a conversation today with someone and in a video

00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.719
where this girl sees in the spiritual realm God

00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:58.079
was showing her that whatever she focused on

00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:02.059
got bigger. So when she focused on Him, His light

00:39:02.059 --> 00:39:05.000
radiated kind of off of her as well as she focused

00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.719
on Him, and that pushed away the darkness. So

00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.539
whatever you focus on grows. So when you find

00:39:10.539 --> 00:39:13.019
things to be grateful for, you'll find even more

00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:16.320
things to be grateful for. So it's really important

00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:21.980
on what we focus on. Yeah, for sure. Wow. So

00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:25.269
what advice would you offer To those feeling

00:39:25.269 --> 00:39:29.210
a nudge from God to step into a new venture or

00:39:29.210 --> 00:39:31.469
calling. You know, like when you were going from

00:39:31.469 --> 00:39:33.630
the volunteer fire department slash pastor's

00:39:33.630 --> 00:39:36.150
wife, you know, not getting paid, underappreciated,

00:39:36.230 --> 00:39:38.329
but always there to fill a need, you know, to

00:39:38.329 --> 00:39:42.289
the calling that you have. Yeah. Honestly, be

00:39:42.289 --> 00:39:45.829
willing to do it afraid. That's my biggest advice

00:39:45.829 --> 00:39:48.849
to people. Be willing to do it afraid. But as

00:39:48.849 --> 00:39:53.369
a pastor, I can say, do it like. A lot of people

00:39:53.369 --> 00:39:56.469
get ideas from the Lord and get inspiration that

00:39:56.469 --> 00:39:59.190
they don't realize is actually the Holy Spirit.

00:39:59.949 --> 00:40:01.889
And, you know, it can be confirmed again and

00:40:01.889 --> 00:40:05.210
again and again, but people's default is to stay

00:40:05.210 --> 00:40:08.130
in the fear because it's new, stay in the fear

00:40:08.130 --> 00:40:09.969
because it's intimidating, it's overwhelming,

00:40:10.030 --> 00:40:13.170
it's scary. But hi, newsflash. God's never going

00:40:13.170 --> 00:40:15.150
to call you to something that's in a size that

00:40:15.150 --> 00:40:17.190
you can manage. Like, He's going to call you

00:40:17.190 --> 00:40:20.059
to something that... is so big that only he can

00:40:20.059 --> 00:40:23.000
achieve it through you. And so if it scares you,

00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:26.179
if it intimidates you... It's more likely probably

00:40:26.179 --> 00:40:29.199
the Lord because that's what he does. And so

00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.639
be willing to do it afraid. I did podcasting

00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.500
afraid. I started a podcast network afraid. I

00:40:34.500 --> 00:40:37.500
started coaching people afraid. Like I ran a

00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:39.260
podcast. I don't know how many panic attacks

00:40:39.260 --> 00:40:41.940
I had after I started my podcast and I would

00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:43.639
launch an episode and I wake up in the middle

00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.280
of that night like, oh my gosh, I need to take

00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.420
it down freaking out. And you just got to keep

00:40:49.420 --> 00:40:51.460
going because your brain is programmed to keep

00:40:51.460 --> 00:40:54.460
you safe. And if your brain is unfamiliar, with

00:40:54.460 --> 00:40:56.380
where you're headed, it's going to translate

00:40:56.380 --> 00:40:59.360
that as danger. And so your brain is going to

00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.199
send all the signals, run away, this is scary.

00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.659
And so you just have to push through and realize,

00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.300
no, on the other side of this is exactly what

00:41:07.300 --> 00:41:11.219
I've been praying for. And so do it afraid. Even

00:41:11.219 --> 00:41:12.880
do it when you don't know what all you're doing.

00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:16.860
Exactly. Yeah. But I would recommend if you're

00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:20.300
starting a podcast, get a coach like Jen, because

00:41:20.300 --> 00:41:24.139
it will expedite the process of going big. That's

00:41:24.139 --> 00:41:26.119
true. Oh my gosh. I wish I would have found you

00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:31.380
so much sooner. Oh my gosh. So for listeners

00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:33.920
seeking to discern God's voice in their lives,

00:41:34.179 --> 00:41:36.380
what practices or insights could you share to

00:41:36.380 --> 00:41:39.849
help them in that journey? Yeah, you know, it's

00:41:39.849 --> 00:41:41.590
funny I actually asked my kids this the other

00:41:41.590 --> 00:41:44.489
day because I did I did an episode online Top

00:41:44.489 --> 00:41:46.929
four or five ways to hear God's voice going into

00:41:46.929 --> 00:41:50.769
2025 and so I asked my kids I was like, what

00:41:50.769 --> 00:41:52.469
would you tell someone who's trying to learn

00:41:52.469 --> 00:41:54.510
to hear the Lord? I was so proud of them the

00:41:54.510 --> 00:41:57.590
responses that they gave but all of them Gave

00:41:57.590 --> 00:42:01.230
some some combination of responses of they've

00:42:01.230 --> 00:42:03.260
got to read their Bible and they've got to spend

00:42:03.260 --> 00:42:06.280
time praying, which sounds so fundamental. It's

00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.000
boring. It's not a sexy response, you know, but

00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:11.900
it's like if you're not reading your Bible, you're

00:42:11.900 --> 00:42:14.059
not conditioning your spirit to the sound of

00:42:14.059 --> 00:42:17.059
God's voice. You know, your Bible is his voice

00:42:17.059 --> 00:42:18.820
written down. It's like if I wrote letters to

00:42:18.820 --> 00:42:21.300
my husband, if we were in different locations,

00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.280
he would learn my voice through my writing. You

00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.019
know, you can tell. You can tell when I have

00:42:26.019 --> 00:42:28.630
chat GPT'd something. and put that on my blog

00:42:28.630 --> 00:42:30.530
versus when I have written it. We have different

00:42:30.530 --> 00:42:33.690
voices, right? And it's written. Scripture is

00:42:33.690 --> 00:42:36.150
the same way. It's God's voice written down.

00:42:36.650 --> 00:42:39.130
And so you learn the types of things that He

00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:41.989
asks us to do and the attitudes He asks us to

00:42:41.989 --> 00:42:44.170
have. And so you have to be reading the Word.

00:42:44.210 --> 00:42:46.710
And if you are struggling to hear God's voice,

00:42:47.170 --> 00:42:50.849
I find that sometimes the Holy Spirit allows

00:42:50.849 --> 00:42:54.090
you to not be hearing Him. until you get the

00:42:54.090 --> 00:42:57.050
discipline of reading scripture. And it's in

00:42:57.050 --> 00:42:59.070
the reading scripture that you're feeding your

00:42:59.070 --> 00:43:01.769
spirit and you're training yourself to discern

00:43:01.769 --> 00:43:03.909
His voice, because the Word of God says that

00:43:03.909 --> 00:43:06.510
the Word of God is the more sure word of prophecy.

00:43:07.530 --> 00:43:10.909
And God wants us to begin there, because it just

00:43:10.909 --> 00:43:13.230
lays a really healthy groundwork. But beyond

00:43:13.230 --> 00:43:15.829
that, I would encourage them, if you're not taking

00:43:15.829 --> 00:43:20.909
time to slow down and be with the Lord, God has

00:43:20.909 --> 00:43:24.489
high standards in that He knows His worth, He

00:43:24.489 --> 00:43:27.510
knows His value. And just like, you know, when

00:43:27.510 --> 00:43:30.389
I was dating, I wasn't going to go cheapen my

00:43:30.389 --> 00:43:33.570
value just so I could get a date. I would expect

00:43:33.570 --> 00:43:37.969
a guy who was worth my time to show up in the

00:43:37.969 --> 00:43:41.570
way that I was worth. And God knows His value.

00:43:41.710 --> 00:43:44.730
He's not going to... He does meet us where we're

00:43:44.730 --> 00:43:48.000
at, but He also calls us higher. and he knows

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.800
his value. So he is not going to reduce himself

00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:55.880
to quick, cheap little shots of his voice when

00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:58.539
he actually has more for you in the deeper places.

00:43:59.460 --> 00:44:01.579
That's not to say that you won't hear Him in

00:44:01.579 --> 00:44:03.460
those quick little moments from time to time,

00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:05.599
but that's not where He wants us to live. He

00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:07.840
wants us to live in fellowship. He's after a

00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.300
relationship, you know. You can't have a relationship

00:44:10.300 --> 00:44:12.440
with your spouse if it's always coming and going

00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:14.940
and passing and high -fiving, you know. At some

00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:16.739
point, you have to slow down and really truly

00:44:16.739 --> 00:44:18.900
connect with each other's hearts. And it's the

00:44:18.900 --> 00:44:21.500
same way with the Lord. So that connection, that

00:44:21.500 --> 00:44:26.320
time of just taking time to worship and listen,

00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:29.880
hear His voice. I started finding that I had

00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:32.360
more fruitful quiet times when I would just show

00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:34.920
up and say, Holy Spirit, what are you in the

00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.699
mood for? Like, what's going to touch your heart

00:44:37.699 --> 00:44:39.539
right now? And sometimes he'd say, why don't

00:44:39.539 --> 00:44:41.920
you worship me a little bit? Or sometimes he

00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:43.900
would prompt me to read a scripture. Sometimes

00:44:43.900 --> 00:44:46.679
he'd prompt me to just be still. I think one

00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:48.619
time the Lord was like, why don't you paint your

00:44:48.619 --> 00:44:50.739
nails and listen to Frank Sinatra? And I was

00:44:50.739 --> 00:44:54.440
like, Okay, and I did and the Lord touched those

00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.460
lyrics and I was in tears because he was ministering

00:44:57.460 --> 00:44:59.639
to me from Frank Sinatra You know, and so he

00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.239
thinks outside the box, too So reading your word

00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:04.920
making sure to have that time pulled away and

00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:06.860
it doesn't have to be hours and hours start with

00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:09.300
five minutes But it's just the intentionality

00:45:09.300 --> 00:45:12.239
of connecting that makes the difference I love

00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:14.619
how you said he thinks outside the box. Of course.

00:45:14.619 --> 00:45:18.380
He created it He stands outside the box. Of course

00:45:18.380 --> 00:45:21.960
he thinks outside of it. His ways are not our

00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:25.320
ways. His thoughts are beyond ours. And I'm very

00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.599
grateful that I am not the god of my life because

00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:32.269
I am horrible at it. Yeah, right. I know. And

00:45:32.269 --> 00:45:34.690
he's so good. Like if people are like praying

00:45:34.690 --> 00:45:37.210
about like a heavy decision, you know, who to

00:45:37.210 --> 00:45:40.050
marry? Do I take the job? God, what do I do about

00:45:40.050 --> 00:45:42.570
my wayward child? You know, things like that.

00:45:42.670 --> 00:45:44.969
I do think that there's definitely an element

00:45:44.969 --> 00:45:47.710
of seeking counsel from the people around you

00:45:47.710 --> 00:45:50.090
that are God fearing and hear the Lord. There's

00:45:50.090 --> 00:45:53.329
also an element of like, what's the word, confirmation.

00:45:53.610 --> 00:45:55.230
Like when you feel like you're hearing the Lord

00:45:55.230 --> 00:45:57.889
on something. I don't always need confirmation

00:45:57.889 --> 00:45:59.489
when I think I'm hearing the Lord, you know.

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.800
Not everything is that weighty of a decision,

00:46:03.139 --> 00:46:05.760
but when I am weighing a heavier decision, I

00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.059
will oftentimes ask the Lord for confirmation

00:46:08.059 --> 00:46:10.380
through people or through dreams or through,

00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:13.079
you know, whatever He chooses. And that's a way

00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.659
to kind of add some safety to the process as

00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:17.179
you're learning to hear the Lord, especially

00:46:17.179 --> 00:46:22.159
when it's a higher risk decision. That's awesome.

00:46:23.309 --> 00:46:26.489
So before we wrap up, Jen, can you share where

00:46:26.489 --> 00:46:28.989
people can find you, your podcast, Java with

00:46:28.989 --> 00:46:31.329
Jen, and all the amazing things you're doing

00:46:31.329 --> 00:46:33.469
to help others hear God's voice and step into

00:46:33.469 --> 00:46:37.969
their calling? Yeah, so they can find my podcast

00:46:37.969 --> 00:46:40.250
anywhere you get your podcast at Java with Jen

00:46:40.250 --> 00:46:42.210
is the name of it. It's Java with Jen hearing

00:46:42.210 --> 00:46:46.170
God's voice for everyday life and I love if anyone

00:46:46.170 --> 00:46:48.429
that's listening has been wanting to start a

00:46:48.429 --> 00:46:52.409
podcast feeling unsure, lost, overwhelmed, totally

00:46:52.409 --> 00:46:55.190
relate. Those are all the feelings I had. And

00:46:55.190 --> 00:46:57.510
so that's why I coach podcasters so they can,

00:46:57.510 --> 00:46:59.949
you know, come check things out. JavaWithJenPodcast

00:46:59.949 --> 00:47:02.909
.com is my URL. And so I've got some freebies

00:47:02.909 --> 00:47:04.650
on there if they're interested in getting some

00:47:04.650 --> 00:47:06.829
free tools to kind of get the journey started.

00:47:07.170 --> 00:47:08.909
But there's also some tools on there for those

00:47:08.909 --> 00:47:11.230
who are learning, wanting to deepen their ability

00:47:11.230 --> 00:47:13.610
to hear God's voice and grow in that. So there's

00:47:13.610 --> 00:47:16.090
some free things over there that they can grab

00:47:16.090 --> 00:47:19.570
and connect with me on Instagram. It's a great

00:47:19.570 --> 00:47:22.699
place to hang out, Java With Jen. Thank you for

00:47:22.699 --> 00:47:24.460
that. You have some exciting things coming up

00:47:24.460 --> 00:47:27.139
to the podcast community Did you want to share

00:47:27.139 --> 00:47:31.900
about that do a little thing about? Yeah, so

00:47:31.900 --> 00:47:35.500
Imagine Media Podcast Network is for all of my

00:47:35.500 --> 00:47:38.099
students slash podcasters They already have a

00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:40.400
show but they want to continue to grow in community

00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:43.059
and and grow with some mentorship from me some

00:47:43.059 --> 00:47:45.099
coaching But I just partnered with Adam Curry

00:47:45.099 --> 00:47:49.179
who is the original Podfather is the original

00:47:49.179 --> 00:47:52.639
podcaster that he played a part in getting the

00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:56.059
Apple Podcasts app on their phone to make podcasting

00:47:56.059 --> 00:47:59.760
a thing. And so he has a new tool called Godcaster

00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.099
and we're pulling that into our network help.

00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:04.039
It's kind of hard to explain, but it's a great

00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.289
thing and it's going to help. help those who

00:48:06.289 --> 00:48:09.090
are in my network work together to grow their

00:48:09.090 --> 00:48:12.829
shows in a cumulative way as a community. And

00:48:12.829 --> 00:48:15.210
so it's it's excellent. If nothing else, I'm

00:48:15.210 --> 00:48:17.510
like, it's just great to be connected to Adam

00:48:17.510 --> 00:48:19.369
Curry. He definitely knows what he's doing. He's

00:48:19.369 --> 00:48:23.909
like the original. So awesome. Well, I'm so glad

00:48:23.909 --> 00:48:26.150
you got to come on the show. And then we got

00:48:26.150 --> 00:48:29.170
to share your light with others because you bring

00:48:29.170 --> 00:48:31.969
joy and light to others, all that know you. If

00:48:31.969 --> 00:48:34.539
they get to know you, it is. they'll be blessed.

00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.079
So I'm glad that people got to hear your story

00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:38.880
and some of the miracles that God was working

00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.760
through you. And I hope they can be blessed by

00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:44.559
this episode. Well, thank you so much for having

00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.239
me. It was an honor. You guys are awesome. Thank

00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.099
you. Thank you. Well, if this has blessed you,

00:48:50.179 --> 00:48:53.280
we ask that you pass it along and we will talk

00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.800
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