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He goes, all my life, I've dreamed about killing

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myself because I didn't think I was loved and

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I didn't think I mattered. But Jack, as a result

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of what Barry did this morning and what you did

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just now, I have no desire to feel myself anymore.

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Hey there, welcome to the God's Goodness podcast.

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We are your host, Josh and Shelly Hankins, and

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we're here to share real stories of God's power,

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stories of hope, healing, and miracles that will

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strengthen your faith. No matter what you're

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walking through, we want to remind you that God

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is good and he's still moving today. Let's dive

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in. Today's guest is someone whose words have

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touched millions, literally. He's a co -author

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of the best -selling A Cup of Chicken Soup for

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the Soul, a man whose heart beats with compassion,

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healing, and purpose. But more than that, he's

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a kingdom encourager, a joy -bringer, and a fellow

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seeker of God's goodness. I first met Barry Spilchuk

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through our Kingdom Seekers community, and immediately

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his wisdom and warmth stood out. But what's even

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more beautiful? The Holy Spirit whispered to

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me, invite Barry. And I'm so glad I listened

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because what you're about to hear isn't just

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a conversation. It's a divine appointment. Barry's

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story, his heart and his God given insight are

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going to bless you deeply. So lean in because

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the spirit is moving and this one's going to

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stir your soul. So welcome, Barry. Thank you

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so much for being with us today. Oh, my goodness,

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Shelley and Josh, it's so nice to be with you.

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What an honor. So, before we begin, Barry, would

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you start us off with an opening prayer? Oh,

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my goodness, I'd be honored. Yes. Dear Heavenly

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Father, thank you so much for everything you

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have done for us. Thank you, God. Thank you,

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Jesus. Thank you, Holy Spirit. Thank you for

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prompting Shelly and Josh to start this beautiful

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podcast. Thank you for giving us guidance, giving

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us the promptings and the nudges, and also the

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ability to obey those prompting and nudges, because

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we know that, you know, a change is just on the

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other side of our being. Father, you said to

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us in John 14 and 11, believe me that I am in

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the Father and the Father is me, or at least

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believe on the account of the words themselves.

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You gave us so many stories in the Bible of what

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the miracles were, and for those who choose to

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believe them, the miracles will continue. Father,

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we ask that everyone who's listening to this

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call today will also listen to the whispers in

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the Holy Spirit and listen for the whispers of

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the Holy Spirit so their lives can become one

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step closer to you every day, Father, and one

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step closer to you. We ask this in Jesus' name.

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Amen. Amen. Thank you so much again for praying

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us in. And I wanted to start off with see if

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you could take us back to the moment when you

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first realized storytelling could be a vessel

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for healing and hope. Like what was happening

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in your life at that time? Oh, wow. Well, I love

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that question. It made me think of so many different

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incidents because I, you know, as Jesus talked

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in parables and I think all the rest of us too,

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as we're passing down our wisdom to our children

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and grandchildren, we tell parables and we tell

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stories as well. And I always get nervous when

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people say, oh, what's a story? Because sometimes

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stories are made up. But I find that the best

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stories are the true stories and not once upon

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a time. Especially the ones that have God involved.

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Exactly. Exactly. They sound like fairy tales.

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They're so good. Yeah, but we'll change into

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fairy tales. That's very clever. I see what you

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did there. Yeah. Thank you very much. Yeah. But

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like my children, they're 40, 37, 34. They're

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still not sure of this fat person yet. And they're

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just wondering. I'm saying, guys, I survive stage

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four non -hudson lymphoma. You know, the doctor

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said, get your affairs in order. And I and after

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my tears dried up, I said, but doctor, I haven't

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had any affairs. Well, the nurse laughed, but

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the doctor said, that's not funny. But so there's

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a part of me that sometimes feels like a fraud.

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Wow, I haven't even been able to convince my

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kids, you know. But what's happened is when I

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stand on a stage, whether it be a stage of 10

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people in a private meeting or I had the honor

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of sharing a stage with Dr. Phil Wormsee, I got

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the honor of sharing a stage as a closing speaker

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at the World Volunteer Conference. And there

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was 2 ,700 people, 93 countries, and they asked

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me to be the closing speaker. And I was just

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so honored. And what I did, what did I do? How

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did I get across? It was a heavenly father. How

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do I get through to these people? And the answer

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was, be yourself and tell some stories, you know?

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But my best friend's voice flashed through my

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mind and said, be yourself. I said, yeah, but

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I'm a goop sometimes. Yeah. And my friend who

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was 3 ,000 miles away, his voice was with me

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because he was speaking to all his friends. He

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says, yeah, but they knew you were goopy and

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they hired you anyway. Oh, so you really want

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me to be myself on purpose. Here I am after four

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days. The RCMP musical ride was there. The prime

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minister opened a conference. There was a princess

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who spoke one day. Helen Lieberman, who was a

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Jewish woman, posed as a Catholic nun to help

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start the apartheid movement. They got all these

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speakers and they say, OK, we want Barry, the

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chubby chicken guy to close our conference. It

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was like, ah, so it was so embarrassing. And

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then when Paul said we yourself and I look at

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myself and I had a yellow jacket, I had a black

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pair of pants, white shirt and a Winnie the Pooh

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tie. Winnie was springing from a balloon and

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I just looked up and I said, thank you. I am

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being myself. I am kind of you. So everybody

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layered. We love your speech. We love the Red

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Heart story, but I love your tie. Why did you

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get their pie? But it was all about storytelling.

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And I, to answer your question that you asked

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to kick this off, I guess I'd been telling stories

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all my life, but didn't realize the importance

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of it. And then I ended up being called to Jack

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Canfield, the guy who invented chicken soup for

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the soul. Before he invented chicken soup, he

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was training trainers on how to be better trainers,

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what to say, what to do, how to take people through

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guided exercises to get rid of stuff in their

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lives. It wasn't Christian based at all, but

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it was something. skillsets that I needed to

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learn. How do people interact? What blocks them?

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What stops them? And at the end of the conference,

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it was a 14 -day conference. We all had to stand

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up and give a five -minute speech in front of

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Jack. And I had met him twice, but me, he was

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like a mentor, even though he didn't know me

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at all, other than he saw me be kind of goofy

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through these 14 days. And his standard way of

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dealing with people was you would give your five

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-minute speech. He would ask for feedback from

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the audience. you know what did you like fan

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the other feedback would what would work better

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for me and then jack would say okay here's my

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opinion and so i was one of the last ones to

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go and i was like a little kid looking for daddy's

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approval right so i give this speech and i'm

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dressed in a three -piece seat and i decided

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to give a speech about when i was coaching t

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-ball for four -year -olds And I told the story

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about, OK, guys, here we go. You've got to have

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the same vision. Here we go, guys. We're going

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to practice. We're going to hit the ball. We're

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going to run to first base. Then we're going

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to run to second base. And we're going to run

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to third base. We're going to run to home. Any

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questions? Yes. And one happy four -year -old,

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what's up, Brian? Say, Coach Bear? Yes. What's

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first base? Fair question. And boy, I tell you,

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you've got to go back to the, I said, well, follow

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me. And by the time you, so they giggled around,

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they followed. And then when we got to home base,

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as I was leading them, I fell down on a hang

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base. I gathered them all off. All 15 of them

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jumped on top of me and said, this is my approach.

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This is my approach. And so I told that story.

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They asked for feedback from the audience. We

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got one lady said, well, it worked better for

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me if you weren't wearing a three feet suit telling

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a story about pitch people. And Jack interrupted

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her and said, give you a break. He just made

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up the story. and he got thumbs on and the only

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one he did was through he put his he had a music

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stand and he put his marker and his notepad down

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anymore and he said very that was masterful i

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have nothing there you obviously have a talent

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and you've developed it he said good for you

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and that was it wow Oh my god, I got my daddy's

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approval, you know, and it was like, oh, yeah,

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and because all my rights, I'd be fighting for

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my own father's approval and now Jack Fester

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is a father -taker. And then as I went through

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life, I realized getting approval was not, from

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the public, was not the goal. I need my heavenly

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father's approval. That's all I need, you know,

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because we all want to hear well done, goodly,

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faithful servant. So, yeah, I had to learn to

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get away from the approval of the world. But

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at the same time, it was a huge, huge milestone

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for me to say, wow, I can do this. I belong here.

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I can shift a room by telling a story. And if

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I may just add one quick subsidy to that story,

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it's three years later, Jack and I were teaching

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together in a room full of people that had all

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paid $5 ,000 to be there. We were working there

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for free. And yes, well, at least I was, maybe

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Jack was. Because I was a prank to clean and

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everything like that. And Jack thought in the

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morning, and there was about 400 people. They

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paid $5 ,000 a piece to be here for a week -long

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thinking seminar. And then I came up. And then

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Jack came back in the afternoon. And he said,

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OK, we've been talking all week about this and

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that. The other thing means nothing if you don't

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make the commitment to go out and do what you're

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going to do. Commitment followed by the action.

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Who's willing to commit a one lady stood up and

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said, oh I committed you around this explain

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a number lady step Oh, I connect you were getting

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a key because I've been doing everything on myself

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and they go over to a guy named Believe it or

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not. His name is Josh They said Josh, what's

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your commit and it was dead silent All my life

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I've dreamed about killing myself because I didn't

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think I was loved and I didn't think I mattered

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But Jack, as a result of what Barry did this

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morning, and what you did just now, I have no

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desire to feel myself anymore. And it was like

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the whole room was like weakening and stuff like

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that. And so, gosh, you know, you guys asked

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me this question, and I haven't thought about

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that story in many, many years because it started

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out that I got the approval from Jack. His approval

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gave me the feats to go for it. And all of a

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sudden, three years later, here and I, Jack,

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are working together. You know in this case saving

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a life and again i'm a big believer in the holy

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spirit and you know You go in with your agenda

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when you're doing a speech for a phone interview

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You go in with your agenda what you get into

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the flow. What does holy spirit want me to say

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right now? Okay, am I just gonna give speech

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number 42 -b. Oh, i'm gonna insert joke here

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No, it's like heavenly heavenly father. Holy

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spirit. Jesus Christ guide me let let your peace

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come out on the page, let Your voice come out

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in my vision, let Your message come out on my

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monitor if I'm typing something, you know? Yeah.

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So thank you for asking that question. That's

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how we roll here. We like to see what the Holy

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Spirit is, because like if you try to go about

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it your own way or, you know, like choose a direction

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or a certain topic, you might miss the bigger

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picture and the bigger movement of what He can

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do through you. We can often miss something important

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because you have a pre -packaged idea that you

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want to present and you don't read the crowd.

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You don't read the people. You don't read the

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hearts and You can miss something deep Yeah,

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I really I really respect that about you that

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you can that you do that Prompted me to think

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of something else. May I share a follow -up to

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that story? Yeah, absolutely. I was asked by

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a men's group to come and speak at a church.

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And it waits. They said, OK, you and your uncle,

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I'll call this back, Tom. That's not what is

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a real name. But you and Tom are going to each

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have 40 minutes and the end of our pancake breakfast.

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OK, well, they got delayed. And then they came

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to us and said, you're each only going to have

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30 minutes. And then they got delayed. Well,

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you're only going to have 20 minutes. Well, Tom,

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even though he was the same age as me, he was

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a new speaker. He didn't know what he was. One

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of these guys who. He would tell the same story,

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the same way. He would even pause and adjust

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his glasses at the same time. This whole thing.

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Like, I admired him for his story, but I felt

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sad for him because everything was mechanical.

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And, oh, now it's time to tell this joke. Now

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it's time to... And by the time he... I've seen

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politicians like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could,

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yeah, he stumped speech, right? You know, and

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he could not adjust when they said now you only

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have 20 minutes. He couldn't do it. So he took

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his whole he took his whole 30. So when it came

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time to introduce me, it was like, oh, very sorry.

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You only have 10 minutes. And it was like, OK.

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So I wrote a book called The Cancer Dance. What

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to do when cancer catches you with your pants

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back. And I'm the picture on the front cover

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is me in an open back hospital gown and a pair

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of gym shorts. OK. Carrying an IV pole. across

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the busiest street in Toronto, as if I was escaping

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from my cancer hospital, right? So I, as a shock

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and a surprise and as the light in the mood,

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I came out when they introduced me, and the guy

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said, but you only got 10 minutes. I went, okay.

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So I came out dressed in my hospital gown with

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my ID pole, and people laughed, and a couple

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of guys went, uh -oh, what is this about? And

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just as I was about to say my first line, because

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now I've got my 40 minutes speech down to 30,

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now I've got 10. Out of the corner of my eye,

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beside the podium, was a four foot high wooden

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cross. And I looked at it and I just got a jolt

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from the Holy Spirit. And because I had never

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done this before, I asked, I said, Pastor, would

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it be alright if I picked up this cross? And

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he goes, of course, go ahead. So I picked up

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the cross and I put it on my shoulder. And I

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said, gentlemen, how many of you have heard the

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expression, this is the cross I have to bear?

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And everybody put their hand up. And I said,

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how many of you think that that's a bad thing?

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And some hands went up and some hand didn't.

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And some guys saying, is this a trick question?

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And I said, guys, I promise you, I've never done

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this before. But I said, and I'm walking around

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the room. I made sure that everybody, all the

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eyes are following me because I wanted them to

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see this cross on my shoulder. And I said, guys,

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look what happened on Easter weekend. Jesus carried

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this cross they beat him he fell down they made

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him stand up they made him pick up the cross

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they made him do this he had to stand up they

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wore a crown of thorns and he fell down and he

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kept him and he had to carry the very cross that

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he was killed on and I said but that's not bad

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news that's the good news so when now you hear

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this is the cross I have to bear Don't think

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that is bad news because how Jesus had matters

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that this pick up your cross daily and follow

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me So Josh, I'm gonna ask you to ask me a question

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There you say Barry. What's my cross Barry? What's

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your cross? Yeah, I'm gonna hold my cross to

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student to lift it up in very gilly, but I made

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a mistake there Josh I'm gonna ask me a different

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question Everybody wants to know their life's

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purpose. Everybody likes to know their life's

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purpose. Say Barry. What's my purpose? Barry,

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what's my purpose? Barry, what's your purpose?

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What's my purpose? Let me ask you a question

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back, Josh. What's your cross? Hmm. What is the

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cross that you have the intent to bear? Now,

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some people would argue, no, we all have the

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same purpose. We have to bring heaven to earth

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or made. Then what's your assignment? Your assignment

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is based on your cross. What is the cross that

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you have to bear? Like, and the things that in

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my life, the crosses that I had to bear was.

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everything from my dad being an alcoholic when

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I was younger and thank goodness and thank God

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that he didn't take a drink for 45 years before

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he passed away. But I also have the cross of

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hearing this being sexually abused by my cousin

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when I was eight years old. She went on to be

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a have a double -doctrine and psychosexual behavior

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and so that's my cross and again at the time

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you think it's negative. But one of my favorite

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bible verses is roman date 28 which you know

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translates basically into what's the blessing

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this mess Who can I bless because I was in a

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mess? And now I get to share those messages not

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only on your beautiful radio show podcast here

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But also in it where the room is appropriate.

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I'll talk about being sexually abused weird Almost

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everybody appreciates alcoholism and their family.

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They know they understand what's going on So

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if I can go in and talk about it and that's my

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cross I don't think that's a negative thing at

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all. As a matter of fact, the very last story

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in my Chicken Soup for the Soul book is called

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Breaking the Silence, and it's about my dad and

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how he gave up drinking. But it took a long,

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long time for him to do it, but he was dry for

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45 years since over 85. So and he allowed me

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to tell that story in that book, and it was one

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of the most popular stories in my book. Wow.

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So we all have a cross to bear, and it's not

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a negative thing. No, yeah, I agree, you know,

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and of course our purpose is to You know make

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disciples of all nations, but that's not our

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sole purpose He didn't just make us for that

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one thing, you know And so I agree with that

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assessment of the head that we have other Assignments

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as you phrased it. We have other things that

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nobody else was created to do Right. Otherwise,

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there'd be a cup of chicken soup for the soul

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written by 330 million people in this country

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alone Right. Because it was all the same purpose

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to buy the other book. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

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And we all have a different story in a different

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way, even though a lot of times our stories are

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similar. The story is going to speak to somebody

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differently. Somebody might hear that story that

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we just fold and go, Oh, my goodness. Oh, I just

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think I've just been set free. Other people go,

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Oh, I was just the start. You know, so no matter

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who listens to me, I think it's our job to go

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out there and tell the truth every day and then

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let the other people decide if it's true to them.

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Absolutely. So thank you for asking that question

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and thank you for allowing me to give a longer

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answer. Oh, I mean sometimes you need them. You

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need the longer answers to get into it and so

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it gives it more context. Yeah, oh for sure.

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go back to your writing. You've written about

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the power of small acts of kindness. Was there

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a moment in your own life when someone's unexpected

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kindness changed everything for you? You know,

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when I heard that question, because you sent

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me that this might be a possible question when

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I saw it, there's been so many, everything from

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my grade seven teacher, for some strange reason,

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she saw something in me and she said, I want

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you to be the class leader while we're in grade

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seven. And I got to wear a button. Well, that

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button, you know, it said prefect on it. And

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it made me a target for some people. Oh, you're

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the squealer. You're going to be like. I'd never

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met this lady in my life, but she saw something

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in me and she said this. And then, later on in

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life, we had just gotten married. I was feeling

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a lot of pressure from my parents that, hey,

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you've got to have children, you've got to have

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daughters. And then once you have the children,

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you have to move home and, you know, work with

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us and all that kind of stuff. But I wanted to

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make it on my own. And I left a nice career selling

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accounting systems for a McBee company. They're

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the kind of company that you would write a little

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check and there was carbon on the back of the

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check and it would go onto the forms. It was

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a safe job. And they just, you know, move me

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around a couple of times and it was a safe job.

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But I said, I don't want to do this. I guess

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is not what I was put here to do. So I one of

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the other salesmen, he had the same feeling.

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And so we went out and we started a business

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together. And what happened was within the three

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days of leaving, I found out I'd made the wrong

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decision. But there wasn't anything I can do

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about it. It turns out we were trying to just

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offer like every day since we wanted to offer

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Visa and Masterpart. So our customers could pay

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with Visa and Masterpart. And the bank wouldn't

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let us do it. And I said, well, how come? And

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then Frank folds me aside and says, well, then

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I guess I better tell you something. My wife

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and I are going through a bankruptcy right now.

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And that's why we're not allowed to offer Visa

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and Masterpart. And I went, what? Why didn't

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you tell me that? You know, I mean, yeah, that's

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a little important. I've got a family. You know,

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what's going on? Oh, well, you know, I didn't

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think it would matter. Okay. Fine. That was,

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you know, back in 1983, you know, and it was

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like, oh, my gosh. So we ended up we here we

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are. We rented an office where and okay, well,

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how many father, how do we make the best of this?

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And my partner wasn't a god die at all. But,

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you know, I'm having a father. How do we make

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the best of this? And I just said, well, let's

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give it everything we've got. you know and we'll

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we'll keep doing this we'll do something else

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so when people can pay cash or write a check

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i mean who here we are now in 2025 who pays cash

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or writes check right but you know we plugged

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along and we're renting space from a law firm

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and that was attached to an insurance agency

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so we'd go out in the hall sometimes and chat

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and there was a man who owned the insurance agency

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his name was charles bray and he apparently my

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voice was is fairly loud and his wall and my

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wall were broken so he could hear me a lot and

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he never told me that but he could hear me and

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anyway one day we're about four months into this

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and I'm doing the best I can sometimes we'd stay

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till 11 o 'clock at night just try to make a

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sale and I went out to get some fresh air one

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day and Mr. Berry was in the lobby and he goes,

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Berry can I tell you something I said please

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do Mr. Berry because I regarded him as a very

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highly regarded man and just a man of honor And

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I didn't realize he was a Christian at the time,

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because at the time I didn't realize I was one

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either. I just wanted to be my best, you know?

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And Mr. Bray said something to me. He said, Barry,

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I would hitch my wagon to your star any day.

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And that small act of kindness and his willingness

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to say it out loud just changed everything for

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me. Because I, here I am flailing away, not getting

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my father's approval from 200 miles away. But

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this man was the same age as my dad, you know,

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roughly. And for him to just hear my voice through

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the walls. And, you know, occasionally we'd stop

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when we're having a coffee or a tea or for him

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to say daily. And he was a very successful insurance

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guy. He said, Barry, I would get my wagon to

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your start any day. I don't know what you guys

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are doing in there, but keep doing it. And I

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just even get emotional now thinking about Mr.

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He passed away a while ago, but it was that small

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act of kindness by him. that gave me the the

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boost to keep on going. And so thank you, Mr.

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Brightford. I know he's in heaven. So Jesus,

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give Mr. Brady a couple extra. There is a popcorn

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tonight. I think you need to use it. Well, something

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stood out in that with me, Barry, was you didn't

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know you were a Christian yet. Like at what point

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did you realize, hey, I am a Christian. And then

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when did you like lean into that? Because you're

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in Kingdom Seekers now and you're like really

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leaning into it. Yeah, April 1991. Oh, wow. I

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remember it Yeah, only eight years after that

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encounter Yeah, yeah April 1991. Yeah, I had

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Remember that course that I talked to you about

00:25:15.849 --> 00:25:19.170
where Jack and I were teaching together $5 ,000.

00:25:19.269 --> 00:25:22.529
Yeah, well I they the very first class they had

00:25:22.529 --> 00:25:25.849
was called the million -dollar poor and It went

00:25:25.849 --> 00:25:28.309
on to become income builders international then

00:25:28.309 --> 00:25:31.160
it went on to become CEO space but the million

00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:34.119
dollar form was founded by Bob Proctor and Mark

00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:37.880
Victor Hansen and Bernie Dorman and I'd never

00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:40.700
heard of Bernie before so I went into this thing

00:25:40.700 --> 00:25:43.980
I was now working with my brother in partnership

00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:47.200
selling windows and doors and I knew I wasn't

00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:49.759
supposed to be doing that but I sold my business

00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.480
that I partner in frank I sold it so I could

00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.480
get the pressure of the father off my back so

00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.460
we sold it we had a baby So my father says, get,

00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.579
you gotta get your butt up here and you gotta

00:26:01.579 --> 00:26:03.619
help us throw windows and doors. You've got a

00:26:03.619 --> 00:26:05.960
family now. And I just like, I can't believe

00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:08.880
this. And I, when we moved, it's 300 miles from

00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.960
Toronto to North Bay. We moved on Valentine's

00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:16.299
Day, 1986. And there, I still say there's claw

00:26:16.299 --> 00:26:18.160
marks on the highway because my wife didn't want

00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.619
to go. And I never felt so disappointed in myself

00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:27.099
because I had given in hoping. You read the three

00:26:27.099 --> 00:26:29.900
words that every son wants to hear from a dad.

00:26:30.259 --> 00:26:35.759
I love you Hmm or I'm proud of you son and I

00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:37.359
think you know, okay I'll give in and I'll do

00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.319
that and I didn't hear those words for four years

00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.700
I didn't hear those words and oh well, you should

00:26:42.700 --> 00:26:44.619
do this and this and this or if you do this much

00:26:44.619 --> 00:26:47.839
sales Oh, you mean if I do 200 ,000 and sales

00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:51.759
will say I love you wait like soccer I did and

00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.170
I didn't hear And then I worked on the Chamber

00:26:54.170 --> 00:26:56.829
of Commerce that I got voted director of the

00:26:56.829 --> 00:27:00.569
year. And yet we still surpassed our sales target.

00:27:00.970 --> 00:27:03.029
And I went like a little kid, even though I'm

00:27:03.029 --> 00:27:06.329
in my 30s. I run to my dad, Dad, look, you know,

00:27:06.329 --> 00:27:08.910
you wanted us to do 330 ,000 this year. We did

00:27:08.910 --> 00:27:10.849
400 ,000. You know, you would have gotten a whole

00:27:10.849 --> 00:27:12.509
lot more if it wasn't for our stupid Chamber

00:27:12.509 --> 00:27:17.029
of Commerce. Wow. I love you or I'm proud of

00:27:17.029 --> 00:27:18.710
you, but I'm hearing because it's stupid Chamber

00:27:18.710 --> 00:27:22.230
of Commerce. The next year, I'm voted president

00:27:22.230 --> 00:27:24.269
of the Chamber of Commerce. It's the fastest

00:27:24.269 --> 00:27:27.490
anybody had ever gone from member to the second

00:27:27.490 --> 00:27:29.289
year I was vice president, the third year I was

00:27:29.289 --> 00:27:32.690
president. That never happened before. And my

00:27:32.690 --> 00:27:35.210
dad didn't say a word. He didn't recognize that.

00:27:36.349 --> 00:27:39.049
No, I didn't. So I said, OK, I have to get out

00:27:39.049 --> 00:27:40.730
of here. I'm not going to get my approval from

00:27:40.730 --> 00:27:44.470
you. So what I did was I substituted and I went

00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:47.890
and got my approval in the community. that's

00:27:47.890 --> 00:27:50.349
not the way to do it either. I sat on 12 boards

00:27:50.349 --> 00:27:52.690
and commissions and oh the same day you vote

00:27:52.690 --> 00:27:55.450
me as you know director of the year and all this

00:27:55.450 --> 00:27:58.190
kind of stuff and oh isn't Daria nice guy and

00:27:58.190 --> 00:28:02.269
when they gave me the award the high lasted for

00:28:02.269 --> 00:28:05.950
about 20 seconds. They gave me the award I walked

00:28:05.950 --> 00:28:08.910
off the stage and my thought was what am I going

00:28:08.910 --> 00:28:14.289
to do to get their approval next year and it

00:28:14.289 --> 00:28:18.200
was just such an empty feeling. Like a vicious

00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.940
cycle. Just keep striving. Oh, yeah. And that's

00:28:22.940 --> 00:28:25.200
the whole thing. Striving. Striving for what?

00:28:25.819 --> 00:28:28.759
You know, and I had not heard this word in the

00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:30.579
Bible, well done, my good and faithful servant.

00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.559
Although knowing who Jesus is and how much He

00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.880
forgives and how much He loves us, I'm pretty

00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.579
sure He would have been saying, well done, my

00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:41.420
good and faithful servant all along. You know,

00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:43.299
and Jesus is a patient man. He's a gentleman.

00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.220
He's never going to force himself on anybody.

00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.559
So anyway, I get enough courage to leave the

00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.660
family business and go waiting for my father's

00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:53.740
approval. I mean, again, as a matter of fact,

00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.500
I made him huge thing out of my lap of nightmares.

00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.940
How dare you? How dare you? How dare you? Man.

00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.380
But then I went through this. I used five thousand

00:29:02.380 --> 00:29:04.460
dollars of my bio to go to this place for the

00:29:04.460 --> 00:29:07.599
million dollar for. and Bernie Dorman was taking

00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:09.920
us through, he didn't say this out loud because

00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.140
he was afraid that people wouldn't come, but

00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:15.380
Bernie secretly called it the biggest church,

00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:18.519
and I didn't know that at the time, but so Bernie

00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.000
took us through a prayer one day, and we did

00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:25.039
it in a non -denominational way, and I tell you

00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.380
Shelly and Josh, I literally could feel the wrecked

00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:31.220
side of my body lifted up, and it was like that's

00:29:31.220 --> 00:29:33.940
when the Holy Spirit... officially entered my

00:29:33.940 --> 00:29:36.140
body that I knew of. Obviously he'd been there

00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:38.700
all along. But he was just in this prayer that

00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:43.660
it was like, oh my goodness, something snapped

00:29:43.660 --> 00:29:46.119
in me in a big way. It was almost like two Lego

00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:49.119
blocks kicking together. And they went, this

00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:53.380
fits. Oh my goodness, this fits. So that's when

00:29:53.380 --> 00:29:57.500
I knew. And I think in my head, because I was

00:29:57.500 --> 00:30:00.460
still wanting my father's approval, I had this

00:30:00.460 --> 00:30:04.359
thing in my head that dad said, Don't rely on

00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.740
anybody. Don't ask anybody for help. Be a man,

00:30:08.019 --> 00:30:11.279
do it yourself. So I thought if I asked Jesus

00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.299
for help, I wasn't doing it myself and I wasn't

00:30:14.299 --> 00:30:17.859
being a man. So I still was striving and striving

00:30:17.859 --> 00:30:20.940
and striving and serving on committees. And for

00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:23.160
a while it worked. You know, oh my God, there's

00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.759
a theory guy. Make him, you know, call him in

00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.440
and he'll do our seminar. And it worked. But

00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.980
it's not going to work for so long. Until finally

00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:34.940
I had to surrender and I think surrender is one

00:30:34.940 --> 00:30:38.380
of the Biggest things that we can do and a lot

00:30:38.380 --> 00:30:40.420
of people think surrender they may hear wave

00:30:40.420 --> 00:30:43.880
the right flag and give up I hear surrender as

00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.099
one of the strongest words in the English language

00:30:46.099 --> 00:30:50.099
because we surrender to him and we are obedient

00:30:50.099 --> 00:30:53.880
to him and That's when things start to change

00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.579
because this isn't about me. I get to be a vessel

00:30:57.579 --> 00:31:00.559
I get to be the hands the feet and the voice

00:31:01.019 --> 00:31:03.359
of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit in somebody

00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.019
else's life. And yet to this day, my brother

00:31:06.019 --> 00:31:10.220
thinks, ah, that's all crap. You know, it's all

00:31:10.220 --> 00:31:13.299
just, you know, made up fantasy to make it feel

00:31:13.299 --> 00:31:16.180
good. And so I'm not going to argue with him

00:31:16.180 --> 00:31:18.180
because, you know, arguing is not going to change

00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:20.039
his mind. So I just have to go out there and

00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.920
be the person that Jesus meant me to be. And

00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.440
hopefully, you know, my brother and my children,

00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.630
maybe they'll follow my lead. You know, I'm thinking

00:31:30.630 --> 00:31:32.670
about your relationship with your father and

00:31:32.670 --> 00:31:35.809
you know, we're supposed to love God with all

00:31:35.809 --> 00:31:38.309
our might, our soul, our strength, with every

00:31:38.309 --> 00:31:40.470
fiber of our being. And then Jesus says that

00:31:40.470 --> 00:31:44.970
we love others as we love ourselves. How far

00:31:44.970 --> 00:31:47.369
did it take you? You're a smart guy. I'm sure

00:31:47.369 --> 00:31:49.509
you figured it out. How long did it take you

00:31:49.509 --> 00:31:52.690
before you realized that your dad... Was projecting

00:31:52.690 --> 00:31:56.009
the that he wasn't loved. He wasn't showing love

00:31:56.009 --> 00:31:57.990
because he was never loved as a child He never

00:31:57.990 --> 00:31:59.769
he was never told I love you He was never told

00:31:59.769 --> 00:32:02.289
I'm proud of you And so he was just acting on

00:32:02.289 --> 00:32:03.990
what he knew like how long did that take before

00:32:03.990 --> 00:32:06.690
you realized that? And that he did love you and

00:32:06.690 --> 00:32:08.430
he was proud of you He just couldn't articulate

00:32:08.430 --> 00:32:10.829
it because he didn't know how no one showed him

00:32:10.829 --> 00:32:14.430
Yeah, it took a long time. I was in my 50s before

00:32:14.430 --> 00:32:16.970
I'd mitigate and I loved the verse that you quoted

00:32:16.970 --> 00:32:19.750
there is you know goods To love others as you

00:32:19.750 --> 00:32:22.170
love yourself and I've always stopped today when

00:32:22.170 --> 00:32:24.789
I figured that out one day I'd love your neighbor

00:32:24.789 --> 00:32:28.329
as yourself. Why do I hate my neighbor? Mm -hmm.

00:32:28.450 --> 00:32:30.890
Why does my neighbor make me angry because I'm

00:32:30.890 --> 00:32:34.089
angry at myself? That's why I call it the 11th

00:32:34.089 --> 00:32:36.130
commandment when Jesus says no, no, no, no, no,

00:32:36.130 --> 00:32:38.509
no, no guys clear I give you all a new premiere

00:32:38.509 --> 00:32:44.569
love others as I have loved you Because how can

00:32:44.569 --> 00:32:46.549
I love my neighbor when I'm judging him all the

00:32:46.549 --> 00:32:49.380
time because I did you know, I judged my neighbors,

00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.119
I judged the people and all that kind of stuff.

00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.960
And he's like, oh, so I love the fact that he,

00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:55.839
you know, was essentially the 11th commandment.

00:32:55.859 --> 00:32:58.640
I gave you all a new command. Love others the

00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:00.519
way I love you. Oh, that changed everything.

00:33:01.259 --> 00:33:03.240
Because love your neighbors as you love yourself.

00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.140
I didn't really love myself, you know, because

00:33:06.140 --> 00:33:08.019
if I did, I wouldn't have done all those things.

00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:12.000
So it was in my 50s when I learned that they

00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.579
had all stemmed back to be abused by my cousin.

00:33:15.660 --> 00:33:20.730
I was eight years old. And I was 58 when I realized

00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:22.670
that there was a blessing of us because I finally

00:33:22.670 --> 00:33:25.230
admitted it out loud because I tried to tell

00:33:25.230 --> 00:33:27.329
a relative once and they said, shut up. Don't

00:33:27.329 --> 00:33:31.250
tell anybody. Keep the family secret. Oh, OK.

00:33:31.609 --> 00:33:35.210
That's horrible. So, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, because

00:33:35.210 --> 00:33:37.650
well, back then, you know, that was making 65

00:33:37.650 --> 00:33:40.059
when it happened. you know that there was no

00:33:40.059 --> 00:33:43.359
such thing as internet or oprah or anything like

00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.680
that or you could air your dirty laundry on tv

00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.420
but it was so keep your mouth shut was the strategy

00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:52.319
you know and may i get a little bit personal

00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.599
here absolutely you haven't i'm telling you okay

00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:00.119
so there was a moment when this act was happening

00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.160
he wanted us to wash each other's body parts

00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:08.119
and when I took the stope and I was watching

00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:12.780
her chest area. She said, don't do it that way.

00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:17.760
This way. He said, Larry, don't do it that way.

00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.559
Do it this way. But as an eight year old, I heard,

00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:25.780
don't do it that way. This way. 50 years to realize

00:34:25.780 --> 00:34:29.500
that's where my percussions have grown. If it's

00:34:29.500 --> 00:34:32.420
not perfect, I'm not going to release it. Because

00:34:32.420 --> 00:34:34.760
I do not want to hear, don't do it that way,

00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:36.760
do it this way. Well, you're, you're chicken

00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:38.460
shimp. It's not good enough. Don't do it that

00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:40.900
way. Do it this way. And so I would work and

00:34:40.900 --> 00:34:42.719
work and work and have to be, it would have to

00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:44.960
be perfect before I let it out the door. When

00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:47.199
I realized it doesn't have to be perfect anymore.

00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:49.860
It is perfect the way it is and it can be perfect

00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:53.019
or we can change it. You know, but that's where

00:34:53.019 --> 00:34:57.139
the perfection syndrome started. I would don't

00:34:57.139 --> 00:35:01.289
do it that way. Do it this way. I mean now I

00:35:01.289 --> 00:35:03.610
look at it as a bluster in the mess too because

00:35:03.610 --> 00:35:06.389
my cousin went on she now she meet countries

00:35:06.389 --> 00:35:09.409
she meet from Canada to the United States and

00:35:09.409 --> 00:35:12.469
she changed her name and she has a double doctorate

00:35:12.469 --> 00:35:15.170
in psychosexual behavior and she helps people

00:35:15.170 --> 00:35:18.710
with sexual problems and On the bright side I

00:35:18.710 --> 00:35:20.949
can say oh well isn't that interesting I got

00:35:20.949 --> 00:35:24.869
to be one of her first subjects, you know You

00:35:24.869 --> 00:35:27.230
know, I'm sorry to laugh that was I think you

00:35:27.230 --> 00:35:32.559
intended me to but Yeah, let's see here, but

00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:35.699
I think thinking it was normal, okay? I had no

00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:38.320
idea how it would affect me now. I've often wondered

00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:40.800
we have lots of presence I wonder that happened

00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.440
with anybody else but none of my business and

00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.199
when I went to approach her about it from like

00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:48.139
I looked up people for lawsuits and so basically

00:35:48.139 --> 00:35:50.420
You know just a first the first thing to see

00:35:50.420 --> 00:35:52.380
what you can do first and when I approached her

00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:57.179
she Said oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, I did that anything

00:35:57.179 --> 00:35:59.619
else you need from me and I said when I see you

00:35:59.619 --> 00:36:01.400
in person I would like to see a face -to -face

00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.800
apology she said we will have it and then so

00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.039
I I sent her a letter thanking her for that and

00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.840
then she writes me a letter back and accuses

00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:15.739
me of making it up meanwhile she's already apologized

00:36:15.739 --> 00:36:19.019
and then she accuses me of making it up which

00:36:19.019 --> 00:36:22.900
just sort of ran you know how dare you you know

00:36:22.900 --> 00:36:25.000
and I don't know if she was afraid of a lawsuit

00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.219
I wasn't gonna sue my cousin you know but I had

00:36:27.219 --> 00:36:29.559
a lawyer Suggest that I should and I said I'm

00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.059
not gonna sue my husband. Sorry. I'm just not

00:36:32.059 --> 00:36:34.900
gonna do it You know and but the lawyer wanted

00:36:34.900 --> 00:36:37.280
a piece of the reaction and I'd have seen no

00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.340
that's not you know, that's not it So anyway,

00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:42.760
so that led to perfection syndrome on various

00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:44.980
different levels for what if I just released

00:36:44.980 --> 00:36:50.039
my 18th book And look 18 is the new version of

00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:53.500
book 17 So remember I just talked about perfection

00:36:53.500 --> 00:36:57.059
syndrome and you can release it. So book 17 was

00:36:57.059 --> 00:36:59.000
about golf and it was called How to Win a Golf

00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.500
Tournament, you know, and a prefix to beating

00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:04.380
your buddies. So I get picked to speak at the

00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:06.300
Toronto International Golf Show a few months

00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:10.719
ago, February 1st of 2025. And I go out and give

00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.179
my talk on how to win a golf tournament that's

00:37:13.179 --> 00:37:15.380
called Great Golf Under Pressure. So I have books

00:37:15.380 --> 00:37:18.599
for sale and the books are saying how to win

00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:20.230
a golf tournament. And I would get people go,

00:37:20.230 --> 00:37:22.349
oh, this is cool. This is cool. You know, and

00:37:22.349 --> 00:37:23.670
I'd hand them the book and say, would you like

00:37:23.670 --> 00:37:25.650
to copy? And they go, oh, thank you. But no.

00:37:25.969 --> 00:37:28.789
And it was the look on their faces. And I realized.

00:37:29.010 --> 00:37:31.309
And I, you know, after this happened for two

00:37:31.309 --> 00:37:33.230
solid days for the bringing conference, I went

00:37:33.230 --> 00:37:35.409
behind my booth and I said, for heavenly fault,

00:37:35.730 --> 00:37:39.110
what are these people trying to tell me? And

00:37:39.110 --> 00:37:41.949
it was as soon as I asked the question, I turned

00:37:41.949 --> 00:37:44.309
around and there was another person there and.

00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:47.079
The person essentially said, oh, I could never

00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:52.840
imagine myself winning a golf drink. Immediately,

00:37:52.900 --> 00:37:55.900
I started talking to people about, hey, you know,

00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:57.320
because I would joke with people because you're

00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.840
at a trade show with 20 ,000 people and you're

00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:01.539
trying to get their attention to come to your

00:38:01.539 --> 00:38:03.159
booth. I said, oh, this book is about how not

00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.559
to pay for the drinks on night people. People

00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:07.800
would come by. But when I turned around and said,

00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.559
my goal is for you to walk up to eight people

00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.159
and say, I just shot my best for ever. Shelly

00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.260
and Josh, you know the word of a lie. Everybody

00:38:16.260 --> 00:38:21.059
took one step for you. You do that very and Immediately

00:38:21.059 --> 00:38:24.019
Holy Spirit said or smiled at me. I just I felt

00:38:24.019 --> 00:38:25.699
his smile as a matter of fact. I'm getting goosebumps

00:38:25.699 --> 00:38:29.000
now I came home I changed a few words around

00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:30.900
in a beautiful book and I just released it and

00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:33.019
I just started delivered this week and the neat

00:38:33.019 --> 00:38:34.920
title of the book even though it's the same book

00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:39.000
with like 5 % changes called how to say I just

00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.070
shot my best for her and it was like And it it

00:38:43.070 --> 00:38:46.829
looks good. It feels good. I have no problem

00:38:46.829 --> 00:38:49.969
standing on any radio show going on TV and talking

00:38:49.969 --> 00:38:52.829
about this book, because now I even I feel prouder

00:38:52.829 --> 00:38:55.269
of the book because everybody wants to shoot

00:38:55.269 --> 00:38:57.730
their best forever. And now we could change that

00:38:57.730 --> 00:39:00.329
into like your radio show to be how to have your

00:39:00.329 --> 00:39:02.989
best life ever. You know, how do we do that?

00:39:03.030 --> 00:39:05.489
It's like, oh, because people want to get better.

00:39:05.809 --> 00:39:07.809
And it doesn't mean you have to be broken. I

00:39:07.809 --> 00:39:10.940
mean, even the best is better. And so we invite

00:39:10.940 --> 00:39:13.780
all of your listeners and they say hey, how can

00:39:13.780 --> 00:39:16.380
I come one step closer to heavenly father every

00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:19.360
day? One step closer to Jesus one step closer

00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.900
to the holy spirit because when you do that you

00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:24.559
come one step closer to your destiny You said

00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.920
you just released your 18th book Where did the

00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.820
book in question a cup of chicken soup for the

00:39:30.820 --> 00:39:33.920
soul? What number was that in? That was two.

00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:36.820
That was number two. Okay That was number two.

00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.539
Yeah What inspired you to write that or to co

00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:41.980
-author that like what was the story behind that

00:39:41.980 --> 00:39:47.599
book? That was 100 gmail when I talk in a public

00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:49.960
seminar, I say gmail like ladies gentlemen, I'm

00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:51.840
a bad guy I'll confess that right up front. So

00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.460
gmail meets god For those of you who aren't god

00:39:54.460 --> 00:39:56.739
people gmail means the gut mail, you know, it's

00:39:56.739 --> 00:39:59.599
that gut feeling, right? So and again this is

00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:01.219
because of the chicken soup for the soul book.

00:40:01.219 --> 00:40:04.340
It obviously involves jack But jack invited me

00:40:04.340 --> 00:40:07.619
to now I wasn't a student in this class. I was

00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:10.639
his apprentice at the back of the room. And so

00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:13.099
for about five or six years, I served as his

00:40:13.099 --> 00:40:15.980
apprentice, along with many other people. But

00:40:15.980 --> 00:40:18.280
he would always invite me to tell this story

00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:21.179
because it was a story about a mirror exercise,

00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:22.659
about looking in the mirror and saying, I love

00:40:22.659 --> 00:40:24.300
you and all that kind of stuff. And I thought

00:40:24.300 --> 00:40:26.320
that exercise for a long, long time because I

00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:28.539
thought it was stupid, you know, but then all

00:40:28.539 --> 00:40:30.420
of a sudden one day it dawned on me. So anyway.

00:40:30.650 --> 00:40:32.989
I'm on the team again this one year and the rule

00:40:32.989 --> 00:40:35.070
was if you're on the team you have to be in two

00:40:35.070 --> 00:40:37.369
days early to set up and you have to stay one

00:40:37.369 --> 00:40:40.389
day late to get down and if you couldn't do that

00:40:40.389 --> 00:40:42.329
then you couldn't be on the team even though

00:40:42.329 --> 00:40:45.710
it was volunteer you know but I had to miss the

00:40:45.710 --> 00:40:48.650
day because Jack was starting to get so busy

00:40:48.650 --> 00:40:51.050
with his chicken soup stuff that they started

00:40:51.050 --> 00:40:53.550
hiring other people to speak on his behalf especially

00:40:53.550 --> 00:40:55.550
when they couldn't afford Jack you know Jack

00:40:55.550 --> 00:40:57.489
went from five thousand to twelve thousand to

00:40:57.489 --> 00:40:59.510
twenty five thousand You know, they said, well,

00:40:59.510 --> 00:41:01.210
we can't afford that budget. Do you have anybody

00:41:01.210 --> 00:41:03.170
else? Oh, well, use Barry. He'll do it for a

00:41:03.170 --> 00:41:05.429
dollar and 95. You know, okay. Yeah, I'll do

00:41:05.429 --> 00:41:07.650
it. You know, because a dollar ninety five U

00:41:07.650 --> 00:41:09.429
.S. is like five hundred Canadian. I'll do it.

00:41:09.469 --> 00:41:11.909
All right. You know, so this is back in nineteen

00:41:11.909 --> 00:41:16.389
ninety five. And anyway, so the team leader happens

00:41:16.389 --> 00:41:18.590
and you're a day late. You know, I said, yes,

00:41:18.630 --> 00:41:23.090
but I was late. Oh, OK. OK. So on the very first

00:41:23.090 --> 00:41:24.429
day of the seminar, there was two hundred and

00:41:24.429 --> 00:41:26.210
seventy four people in the room and they were

00:41:26.210 --> 00:41:28.110
going to decide that they were going to do about

00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:30.960
40 to 50 people a day to come up and play. Hi,

00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.099
my name is Bob. I can say Lewis and I do this.

00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:36.860
Oh, we had one minute. So I missed that on the

00:41:36.860 --> 00:41:40.119
first day to team back. I'll go. And then it

00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.880
was time for me, though, because, hey, guys,

00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:44.579
you met the whole team yesterday. John, stand

00:41:44.579 --> 00:41:46.639
there. I want you to meet a dear friend of mine.

00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.659
Gary was filling in for me. So he wasn't here.

00:41:48.699 --> 00:41:51.340
So he looked at the team when he said that because

00:41:51.340 --> 00:41:53.239
there was a couple of people in the team were

00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:54.739
resenting me. How come you were here to help

00:41:54.739 --> 00:41:58.800
set up, you know, and all. Oh, that's fake. And

00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:00.280
hey Barry, tell us a little bit about yourself,

00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.019
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he said, Barry,

00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:05.619
you know how we do the muscle testing exercise?

00:42:05.659 --> 00:42:08.179
Yeah, come on up. So, you know, I put my arm

00:42:08.179 --> 00:42:10.980
up and he says, oh, he says, I sense that you're

00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:13.860
a little bit dehydrated. He plucked my hair from

00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:16.380
the top. He'd never done that before. He plucks

00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:18.719
my hair and he says, Barry, I sense you're a

00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:21.079
little dehydrated. Here, take some water. And

00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.320
he hands me a breath of water. Well, I always

00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:26.719
try to shock him with my humor, but it also has

00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.159
to be clean. So because he plucked my hair and

00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.380
he said I'm dehydrated and he said take some

00:42:31.380 --> 00:42:34.099
water so I took the water and I pulled it over

00:42:34.099 --> 00:42:37.739
my own head and everybody just cracked up and

00:42:37.739 --> 00:42:41.739
he literally fell off her stage there was a one

00:42:41.739 --> 00:42:44.400
foot riser he fell off her stage and it was like

00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.079
oh my god they said you're an alien how would

00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:48.920
you do that I said you said I was the hybrid

00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:52.280
and you pulled my hair okay okay so I did my

00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.420
intro and then he said okay let's hear from you

00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:56.920
know 40 more people so About the dense guy gets

00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.199
up and he says, hey, I'm Bob. I'm from St. Louis.

00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.400
And hey, Jack and Barry, you know, I just want

00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.480
to thank you for this cup of tea. This is a riot.

00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.380
You know, hooray. And I went, cup of tea? Oh,

00:43:09.099 --> 00:43:12.679
interesting. And then at 1130, the team got to

00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:14.239
go to lunch and they said, OK, half the team

00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.679
go here and half the team go at 1230. OK, fool.

00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:19.719
So I went to the 1130 and we walked. We are at

00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.619
the South Coast Plaza in Orange County. We were

00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:24.260
staying at the Westin and we went over to the

00:43:24.260 --> 00:43:26.510
mall. And we told the guy, we're in a hurry.

00:43:26.949 --> 00:43:28.949
And so we went around the table and the guy says

00:43:28.949 --> 00:43:30.429
to me, what would you like? I said, I'd like

00:43:30.429 --> 00:43:32.849
the soup and sandwich, please. And he said, oh,

00:43:32.849 --> 00:43:34.449
would you like the bowl of soup or would you

00:43:34.449 --> 00:43:40.030
like the cup of soup? Holy Spirit said, very,

00:43:40.150 --> 00:43:44.489
hello. Cup of soup, that's twice today. And I

00:43:44.489 --> 00:43:47.070
just couldn't contain myself. And so the next

00:43:47.070 --> 00:43:48.969
day I said to God, look, before I go back to

00:43:48.969 --> 00:43:51.230
Canada, can we have dinner? And he said, yeah,

00:43:51.269 --> 00:43:52.969
no problem. So the very next night we're going

00:43:52.969 --> 00:43:56.409
off to dinner. And I told him two things. One

00:43:56.409 --> 00:43:59.050
was he was thinking of retiring from doing seminars

00:43:59.050 --> 00:44:01.190
because chicken soup was bringing him in millions

00:44:01.190 --> 00:44:04.349
of royalties. And I said, you can't, you cannot

00:44:04.349 --> 00:44:07.230
do this. You cannot retire. You've got to stay

00:44:07.230 --> 00:44:10.230
doing this because I know I'm your mentee, but

00:44:10.230 --> 00:44:12.550
on behalf of all of us, I wouldn't be here if

00:44:12.550 --> 00:44:16.230
it wasn't for you anyway. And so the next year

00:44:16.230 --> 00:44:17.710
he did his thing and he said, I want to thank

00:44:17.710 --> 00:44:20.429
Gary and Piper. continued to stay on my butt,

00:44:20.590 --> 00:44:22.130
he says, because I would have stopped this if

00:44:22.130 --> 00:44:23.909
it wasn't for what Barry told you the other night.

00:44:24.550 --> 00:44:26.429
And the second thing I told him was, Jack, you

00:44:26.429 --> 00:44:28.670
need to take chicken soup, think so, shrink it

00:44:28.670 --> 00:44:31.570
down to a pocket sized version and call it cup

00:44:31.570 --> 00:44:34.050
of soup. His fork was on his way to a mouth with

00:44:34.050 --> 00:44:36.449
a with his fork full of pasta. And he put it

00:44:36.449 --> 00:44:38.690
down. He said, what did you say? I said, yeah,

00:44:38.730 --> 00:44:40.309
we should take chicken soup, shrink it down to

00:44:40.309 --> 00:44:42.469
a pocket sized version and call it cup of soup.

00:44:42.730 --> 00:44:45.300
He goes, that's a brilliant idea. He said, uh,

00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:47.320
let me check it out with mark nlc. I get back

00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:49.699
to canada and we said publisher loves it jack

00:44:49.699 --> 00:44:52.039
loves it mark wedgett said we don't have time

00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:57.039
you do I was hoping to give him the idea and

00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.559
maybe make two cent royalty, you know, and he

00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:03.440
said you do it That's when another huge lesson

00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.320
for him, but I got to go around my city because

00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:08.860
chicken soup was starting to get popular I turned

00:45:08.860 --> 00:45:11.159
on I was the seventh book in the series and there's

00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:14.750
over 200 of them But I got to go home, and I

00:45:14.750 --> 00:45:18.809
got to, in a very nice, humble way, oh yes, I've

00:45:18.809 --> 00:45:20.570
been asked to write a book with Jack and Mark.

00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:22.969
Meanwhile, on the inside, I'm going, look at

00:45:22.969 --> 00:45:25.389
me, look at Brady, look at Jack and Mark, but

00:45:25.389 --> 00:45:28.010
thank, oh yes, it's such an honor, and oh my

00:45:28.010 --> 00:45:29.429
god, I've written a book with Stan and Mark,

00:45:29.889 --> 00:45:33.349
and I have to do that for like six months. And

00:45:33.349 --> 00:45:34.929
then, hey, Betty, how's the book coming along?

00:45:35.150 --> 00:45:37.750
We've got a deadline, we need it done in 90 days.

00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.699
Here was the problem and I always like to work

00:45:41.699 --> 00:45:45.900
under the mantra tell the truth faster And I

00:45:45.900 --> 00:45:48.239
go and then I learned tell the tree faster is

00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:53.239
a big thing. You have to tell the truth now What

00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:56.579
was I doing I was talking about writing a book

00:45:56.579 --> 00:46:00.000
with Jack and Mark I wasn't writing a book with

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.619
Jack and Mark talking about it seemed like it

00:46:02.619 --> 00:46:06.280
was enough Oh, and I got the accolade. Oh, good

00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.599
for you. And I've just taken off. Good for you.

00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:12.000
Good luck for you. I got to live off that high.

00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.079
And still the reality came. Hey, buddy, how's

00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.539
our book look? You got 90 days to turn the center.

00:46:17.179 --> 00:46:22.539
What? So I had to move from talking. Huge life

00:46:22.539 --> 00:46:24.480
lesson for me. And I think that's a lot for a

00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:27.139
lot of our listeners. I've been blessed to train

00:46:27.139 --> 00:46:29.280
and speak on stages all around the world. And

00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.239
so many people, when I tell that story, you can

00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:33.579
see them. bowing their head going, oh, don't

00:46:33.579 --> 00:46:35.079
look at me right now, don't look at me right

00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:36.699
now, don't look at me right now, because I'm

00:46:36.699 --> 00:46:40.119
doing that too. Because talking is sometimes

00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:42.760
a substitute for doing, but it doesn't get you

00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.900
the result. So that's where the impotence and

00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:48.079
cup of soup came from. And when I told Jack about

00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:50.639
cup of soup, I said, look, I got the idea from

00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.519
when the kid said this morning, thanks to this

00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.380
cup of soup, because I don't want to be stealing

00:46:54.380 --> 00:46:57.619
this guy's idea. He said, no, Barry, we get our

00:46:57.619 --> 00:46:59.820
ideas from different ways. And if you got the

00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:02.179
spark of the idea from that guy's comment, And

00:47:02.179 --> 00:47:04.260
the waiter turned around and confirmed it. He

00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:07.960
said, you know, that's Jack uses the term universe.

00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:10.480
That's the universe telling you you're on the

00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:12.960
right track. To me, that's not the universe at

00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.519
all. That's Holy Spirit saying, Gary, you need

00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:20.000
confirmation. Pay attention. Yeah. Yeah. You

00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.880
know, I don't share just anything on this podcast,

00:47:22.940 --> 00:47:25.730
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00:47:25.730 --> 00:47:28.349
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00:47:28.349 --> 00:47:30.969
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00:47:30.969 --> 00:47:33.489
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00:47:33.489 --> 00:47:36.610
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00:47:39.369 --> 00:47:42.829
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00:47:42.829 --> 00:47:46.469
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00:47:46.469 --> 00:47:49.530
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00:47:49.530 --> 00:47:53.150
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00:47:53.150 --> 00:47:55.920
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00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.739
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00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:01.679
be someone's answer to prayer. Now back to the

00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:24.239
show. There's a long time we have pension in

00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:28.139
our lives or we have pension on our bodies and

00:48:28.139 --> 00:48:31.900
This the solution to relieving that pension is

00:48:31.900 --> 00:48:34.599
to exactly do what you just said in those words

00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:39.940
Pay attention to the pension What is your body?

00:48:40.059 --> 00:48:43.579
What is this pension trying to tell you? And

00:48:43.579 --> 00:48:45.739
so thank you for saying those two words because

00:48:45.739 --> 00:48:47.800
to me everybody's to all attention. It's a bad

00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:49.619
news thing No, I think ever everything kidneys

00:48:49.619 --> 00:48:53.139
are from possibly Romans 8 to 8 How can we say,

00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.039
after this tension in our body, what's this tension

00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:57.599
turning into? It has to be the tension saying

00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:59.039
the Holy Spirit there, you need to take care

00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.199
of this. You know, even if it's the enemy, the

00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:03.420
Holy Spirit can't, how are you going to take

00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:05.739
care of this? You know, and cast your cares upon

00:49:05.739 --> 00:49:08.219
me was a Peter, cast your cares upon me. You

00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:10.280
know, how are you going to take care of this?

00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.400
So thank you for saying those two words to the

00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:16.619
front of that little sidetrack. You don't know

00:49:16.619 --> 00:49:19.780
it but our last episode was with Kaia Redford

00:49:19.780 --> 00:49:23.139
and he brought up Jack Canfield in his interview

00:49:23.139 --> 00:49:25.239
and I was like we're interviewing someone who

00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:27.340
worked with him so it's just really cool and

00:49:27.340 --> 00:49:29.980
then he spoke about these things too how when

00:49:29.980 --> 00:49:33.599
you change your mind and then Put the new thinking

00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.900
into action then the new results of what you

00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:41.780
want will come so Yeah, it's all about obedience

00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:44.519
Two of the best words in the christian language

00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:48.760
you trust and obey You know trust the father

00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.619
and obey what he's telling I like to tell people

00:49:50.619 --> 00:49:52.460
that you know, we have the five love languages,

00:49:52.460 --> 00:49:56.400
but god's love language is obedience Oh, I love

00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:58.679
that. It's not all the ones that we think of

00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:00.659
it's he has a totally separate category that

00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:05.019
applies to him alone Right Boy, you're right

00:50:05.019 --> 00:50:07.800
on there. You should be quoted in a book someday.

00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:11.719
I know a guy. I told him he should write a book.

00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:18.780
So maybe one day. You never know. So for someone

00:50:18.780 --> 00:50:21.280
listening who feels like their story is too messy

00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.880
or painful to be used by God, what would you

00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:26.800
say to them? Here's the bluntness, the case,

00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.679
forgive me. Get over yourself. I'm sorry if that

00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.800
offends anybody, but it was the answer for me.

00:50:34.010 --> 00:50:36.230
It was the answer for me, get over yourself.

00:50:36.670 --> 00:50:41.409
If you have been blessed by these things, and

00:50:41.409 --> 00:50:46.710
I know it like no blessed, because in 2008, 2009,

00:50:47.170 --> 00:50:50.409
I learned my ABCs. I had an accident where I

00:50:50.409 --> 00:50:53.889
fell through the stairs at a welded steel stairs

00:50:53.889 --> 00:50:56.929
filled with concrete. I fell through it. And

00:50:56.929 --> 00:51:00.300
at the time I was 432 pounds. You know, my friends

00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:01.840
would always show, hey, Mary, you got your own

00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.320
gift, though. Yeah, thank you very much. So that

00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:08.780
was the A. The B, the bankruptcy. With C, they

00:51:08.780 --> 00:51:10.920
said, you've got stage four non -Hodgkin's and

00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:13.320
form of cancer. There's your C. The D was, my

00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.619
wife came up and said, I still love you, but

00:51:15.619 --> 00:51:17.460
I don't want to be married anymore. I can't handle

00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:20.219
this pressure anymore. So divorce. D, employee

00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:22.739
theft. All of a sudden, all of these things happened

00:51:22.739 --> 00:51:27.340
at the same time. And it was like, ah. What is

00:51:27.340 --> 00:51:29.519
going on here? And I said, Heavenly Father, I

00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:31.880
don't know how much of this I can take. And King

00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:37.400
was like, touch your cares upon me. So Karen

00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.679
and I were separated. I was living in one condo,

00:51:40.059 --> 00:51:41.639
and you know, she was living in a three dozen

00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.860
apartment with the kids. And this was in 2009.

00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.360
But we were still good friends. And she would

00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:50.079
come to see me in the hospital every day because

00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:51.880
when I got enrolled into the hospital, I was

00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.099
in the cancer hospital for 35 days. So at the

00:51:55.099 --> 00:51:58.599
same time, we're going through this. We're also

00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:00.260
going through the bankruptcy. So she's going

00:52:00.260 --> 00:52:02.480
to my condo, going through the books, taking

00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.519
the stuff, the books and the numbers and going

00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.300
to the bankruptcy attorney and saying, okay,

00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:11.260
here you go. And so the bankruptcy attorney at

00:52:11.260 --> 00:52:13.500
one point says, now, meanwhile, I'm in my cancer

00:52:13.500 --> 00:52:17.239
bed. I'm 432 pounds. I can't walk because of

00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:20.679
the accident and I'm on an intravenous and I

00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.659
can't move. So stage four, non -hogs, things

00:52:23.659 --> 00:52:25.719
in the former. So Karen says to the bankruptcy

00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.599
attorney, I think you brought all of our papers.

00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:29.860
And the attorney says, well, you have to get

00:52:29.860 --> 00:52:32.599
Barry to come down and sign the papers. And I

00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:34.579
said, well, Barry's in the hospital. He can't

00:52:34.579 --> 00:52:36.619
come. Can you please come to the hospital and

00:52:36.619 --> 00:52:39.420
he'll sign the papers? No, Barry has to come

00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:45.019
here. Why? He's in the hospital. He's on intravenous.

00:52:45.179 --> 00:52:49.239
Barry has to come here. It's only four subway

00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:55.909
stops away. What So Karen comes and tells me

00:52:55.909 --> 00:52:59.650
that and When I got enrolled in gospel, I said

00:52:59.650 --> 00:53:02.050
that prayer I said heavenly father How am I what

00:53:02.050 --> 00:53:04.449
am I supposed to do here? And because we had

00:53:04.449 --> 00:53:06.670
just I told you earlier that when the doctor

00:53:06.670 --> 00:53:08.769
said it's stage four non -hostile Zephoma And

00:53:08.769 --> 00:53:11.050
I said we said get your affairs in order and

00:53:11.050 --> 00:53:13.349
I said but I haven't had any affairs the nurse

00:53:13.349 --> 00:53:16.710
he wrapped The doctor said that's not fun. So

00:53:16.710 --> 00:53:20.710
when I got It's a little funny. Yeah, it is a

00:53:20.710 --> 00:53:22.670
little funny. I mean, it's hilarious, you know?

00:53:22.750 --> 00:53:24.730
So when I got transferred from Toronto General

00:53:24.730 --> 00:53:28.550
Hospital to Princess Margaret Cancer Center across

00:53:28.550 --> 00:53:30.670
the street, I said, Heavenly Father, what am

00:53:30.670 --> 00:53:33.789
I supposed to do here? And the answer came, do

00:53:33.789 --> 00:53:36.469
what you did with that nurse this morning. Make

00:53:36.469 --> 00:53:38.289
your nurses laugh and feel appreciated every

00:53:38.289 --> 00:53:41.349
day. And so even though I'm the one going through

00:53:41.349 --> 00:53:43.170
this, I was figuring out, OK, how do I make them

00:53:43.170 --> 00:53:45.570
laugh and feel appreciated? And I love doing

00:53:45.570 --> 00:53:48.780
that. Mark Crickter Hansen blessed me with the

00:53:48.780 --> 00:53:51.139
nickname once about various Canada's Dale Carnegie.

00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.739
I always thought that was kind of cool. So I

00:53:53.739 --> 00:53:56.000
tell you, how do I tell these nurses? So over

00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.900
my time there, I had 15 different nurses, 15

00:53:58.900 --> 00:54:02.199
female, one male. And every day, whenever I could,

00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:03.860
I would either make them laugh or tell them how

00:54:03.860 --> 00:54:06.239
much we love them. But I know you're not supposed

00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:09.280
to say love in public. But my nurses and I had

00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.519
that arrangement. I appreciate you. I love you.

00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:15.440
Thank you so much. And it was just it was such

00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.719
a blessing. And just having these people in my

00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.679
life, now I've got the ability to tell these

00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:26.159
stories. And all of a sudden, the one night,

00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:28.000
it's still o 'clock in the morning, and Lynn

00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.179
Shepard, what a perfect name for this woman.

00:54:31.420 --> 00:54:34.320
I call her my nighttime angel. She came in and,

00:54:34.420 --> 00:54:36.719
hey, Barry, how we doing today? And usually I

00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:38.179
would say, we? Well, that's part of, we's not

00:54:38.179 --> 00:54:39.940
doing too bad. How's that? Part of we, blah,

00:54:39.940 --> 00:54:42.599
blah, blah. You know, and I say, hi, Lynn. And

00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.190
she goes, what's going on? So you're not trying

00:54:46.190 --> 00:54:47.610
to make me laugh. You didn't try to do something

00:54:47.610 --> 00:54:50.309
silly. What's going on? And I was spying. I said,

00:54:50.369 --> 00:54:55.130
I don't know. I don't know what to do. She says,

00:54:55.130 --> 00:54:57.130
let me finish our rounds. I'll be right back.

00:54:57.429 --> 00:54:59.250
An hour later, she sat on my bedside. She held

00:54:59.250 --> 00:55:01.349
my hand and said, what's going on? And I told

00:55:01.349 --> 00:55:03.570
her about, you know, she knew about Karen and

00:55:03.570 --> 00:55:05.090
I being separated and everything. She didn't

00:55:05.090 --> 00:55:07.170
know about the bankruptcy. So I told her what

00:55:07.170 --> 00:55:10.829
happened that day. And about the bankruptcy attorney

00:55:10.829 --> 00:55:12.889
saying, Barry, you have to come down here and

00:55:12.889 --> 00:55:16.820
sign the papers, you know. And so I was at the

00:55:16.820 --> 00:55:20.000
height of feeling sorry for myself. And Lynn

00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.300
said, Barry, I mean, it's too bad you're going

00:55:22.300 --> 00:55:24.119
through all this at the same time, but I get

00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:26.320
it. You're handling it well. And she said, well,

00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.739
let me speak on behalf of that bankruptcy. She

00:55:29.739 --> 00:55:31.579
said, Barry, I've been a nurse in this cancer

00:55:31.579 --> 00:55:33.980
hospital for 20 years. A lot of people don't

00:55:33.980 --> 00:55:36.699
even like going to a hospital. Never mind a cancer

00:55:36.699 --> 00:55:38.940
hospital. Some people actually think they're

00:55:38.940 --> 00:55:41.380
going to catch cancer if they come in here. And

00:55:41.380 --> 00:55:43.599
she said, I know that sounds weird, but it's

00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.510
the truth. and as soon as she said that i just

00:55:46.510 --> 00:55:49.190
felt an amount of shame come over my body like

00:55:49.190 --> 00:55:51.809
because i know i'm a christian man and i was

00:55:51.809 --> 00:55:55.010
judging this evil wiki bankruptcy attorney right

00:55:55.010 --> 00:55:57.110
and because i wanted to put all the blame for

00:55:57.110 --> 00:55:59.230
all of my life's problems on her because she

00:55:59.230 --> 00:56:02.110
wouldn't come and visit me which was so stupid

00:56:02.110 --> 00:56:05.250
and juvenile but it's when you're struggling

00:56:05.250 --> 00:56:07.849
you know let's blame somebody else but it was

00:56:07.849 --> 00:56:10.130
the common denominator of all these things was

00:56:10.130 --> 00:56:13.380
me I had the abdomen. Yes, I was 430 pounds.

00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:15.400
Yes, I was going through bankruptcy. You know,

00:56:15.420 --> 00:56:18.360
I was using Visa to pay MasterCard. And American

00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:20.260
Express, you know, they used to have that blank,

00:56:20.380 --> 00:56:22.340
saying, you know, don't leave home without it.

00:56:22.380 --> 00:56:24.059
They called me and said, Barry, please leave

00:56:24.059 --> 00:56:26.440
home without it. Don't leave. It's bad anymore.

00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:29.400
It's like, OK, OK. But so all of that was on

00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.019
me. I was the common denominator. But when Lynn

00:56:32.019 --> 00:56:34.500
said, Barry, we might be afraid to walk into

00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:36.880
the hospital. My immediate thought was, Lynn,

00:56:37.059 --> 00:56:40.389
will you accept an apology? or her on my behalf,

00:56:40.590 --> 00:56:42.630
on her behalf, because I feel like I'm really,

00:56:42.789 --> 00:56:45.210
she's saying, Barry, look where you are. Don't,

00:56:45.210 --> 00:56:47.190
don't feel like anything. Forgive yourself. It's

00:56:47.190 --> 00:56:50.769
okay. And ironically, the blessing that mess

00:56:50.769 --> 00:56:53.349
was, as I told you before, when we released the

00:56:53.349 --> 00:56:55.530
cancer death book a few years later, there's

00:56:55.530 --> 00:56:58.309
me standing on the foot cover in an open back

00:56:58.309 --> 00:57:01.030
hospital gown with an ID pole. And I was on my

00:57:01.030 --> 00:57:03.409
way to see the bankruptcy attorney. So that's

00:57:03.409 --> 00:57:06.070
explained in the book. So it became a fun thing,

00:57:06.289 --> 00:57:09.420
you know, so. When you ask the question like

00:57:09.420 --> 00:57:12.059
what's the advice it get over yourself. I had

00:57:12.059 --> 00:57:15.420
to get over myself I had to get over Oh for me

00:57:15.420 --> 00:57:19.099
Oh, I'm sorry I had the accident and then blamed

00:57:19.099 --> 00:57:22.199
me for the accident because I even though it

00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.280
was welded steel stairs filled with concrete

00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.159
They were 50 year old stairs, but well everybody

00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:29.199
else walked up and down those stairs Nobody fell

00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:31.800
through your 432 pounds. It's your fault. Your

00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:35.250
lawyers blamed me Which is so stupid, but that

00:57:35.250 --> 00:57:37.329
thing lawyers do well, of course Yeah, like where

00:57:37.329 --> 00:57:39.110
if there's two people side by side that what

00:57:39.110 --> 00:57:42.230
their combined weight was 500 pounds, you know,

00:57:42.250 --> 00:57:45.050
it's exactly You know, I always thought it funny

00:57:45.050 --> 00:57:47.289
that the doctors have to take the Hibbock radical

00:57:47.289 --> 00:57:50.269
first, you know aren't lawyers these first you

00:57:50.269 --> 00:57:54.570
harm Yeah, don't get paid without it Yeah, exactly.

00:57:55.150 --> 00:57:57.010
So yeah, don't get paid without it. Yeah, that's

00:57:57.010 --> 00:57:59.150
the other side of the American Express. So anyway

00:57:59.369 --> 00:58:01.809
I don't mean to be rude and I don't mean to be

00:58:01.809 --> 00:58:03.570
harsh. But when I say we have to learn to get

00:58:03.570 --> 00:58:05.829
over ourselves, it's like, OK, take ownership.

00:58:06.489 --> 00:58:09.869
And again, if that's too much of a responsibility

00:58:09.869 --> 00:58:12.309
to bear, turn it over to Heavenly Father. You

00:58:12.309 --> 00:58:14.329
know, Heavenly Father, what do I do about this?

00:58:14.530 --> 00:58:16.510
That's what turned it around for me in the hospital.

00:58:17.110 --> 00:58:20.250
It was five magic words that turned it around

00:58:20.250 --> 00:58:23.130
for me while I was in the hospital. And may I

00:58:23.130 --> 00:58:25.929
share with you the five magic words? Please do.

00:58:27.549 --> 00:58:29.809
So Karen left. The first night I got transferred

00:58:29.809 --> 00:58:32.570
to Princess Margaret, I cried again. It was like,

00:58:32.710 --> 00:58:35.449
oh my gosh. And I fell asleep. And now it's two

00:58:35.449 --> 00:58:37.630
o 'clock in the morning. I was having a dream.

00:58:38.250 --> 00:58:40.250
And I suddenly had been like Martin Luther King

00:58:40.250 --> 00:58:43.010
there, you know, having a dream. And it was like,

00:58:43.230 --> 00:58:45.610
oh my God. But you know what? Dr. King stood

00:58:45.610 --> 00:58:48.530
up and says, I have a dream. I have a dream that

00:58:48.530 --> 00:58:50.730
someday all God's children, black women, white

00:58:50.730 --> 00:58:53.010
men, fascists and Catholics, Jews and Gentiles.

00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.079
They're going to join hands and sing the words

00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:57.340
to the old Negro spiritual. Let freedom reign.

00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.900
I have a dream. And it was like, well, he's been

00:59:00.900 --> 00:59:02.440
he's always been one of my number one heroes

00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:05.260
in my life. So here I am in my hospital right

00:59:05.260 --> 00:59:07.380
having a dream and I see one of my features telling

00:59:07.380 --> 00:59:10.639
a story. And he said the five magic words. And

00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:13.280
because it was a dream, I could see myself. I

00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.219
don't usually remember my dreams, but I could

00:59:15.219 --> 00:59:17.219
see myself in the dream, putting my hand up saying,

00:59:17.260 --> 00:59:20.219
do you have to say those five words again? And

00:59:20.219 --> 00:59:23.420
he said the five words. And now I know I'm physically

00:59:23.420 --> 00:59:25.519
erased. I know it, but my eyes are still closed.

00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:29.400
So I said the five words to myself. And then

00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:31.719
I said the five words over each of the incident

00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:35.199
for my life. Accident, bankruptcy, cancer, divorce,

00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:38.780
employee theft, failed business, A, B, C, D,

00:59:38.780 --> 00:59:42.079
D, F. And the five words were, let's go for a

00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.219
pizza. The five words were, we've heard them

00:59:45.219 --> 00:59:47.760
so many times. I've heard them many, many times,

00:59:47.780 --> 00:59:51.460
but I had no idea what they meant. until I heard

00:59:51.460 --> 00:59:55.440
these five words, let go and let God. Let go

00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:58.260
and let God over my health, let go and let God

00:59:58.260 --> 01:00:00.400
over my accident, let go and let God over my

01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.539
finances, let go and let God over my marriage,

01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:04.920
let go and let God over the employee who stole

01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:08.960
all our money. And it was like, ah, and I'm getting

01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.460
goosebumps now just telling you the story. And

01:00:11.460 --> 01:00:14.659
it's let go and let God. It was a great saying,

01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:18.000
but I never knew what it meant until that moment.

01:00:18.269 --> 01:00:21.190
in the hospital laying in a hospital bed in there

01:00:21.190 --> 01:00:25.369
nothing 2009 in Toronto because you know on february

01:00:25.369 --> 01:00:27.650
on groundhog day they said get your affairs normal

01:00:27.650 --> 01:00:30.510
on august 5th of the same year they said bury

01:00:30.510 --> 01:00:34.570
your cancer free so everything got turned around

01:00:34.570 --> 01:00:36.610
like we never did get the divorce this year will

01:00:36.610 --> 01:00:40.030
be our 45th anniversary we live apart for six

01:00:40.030 --> 01:00:42.849
months yeah three it's all gone it's all gone

01:00:42.849 --> 01:00:45.650
uh the guy who stole my money he paid it back

01:00:45.650 --> 01:00:48.599
he was like oh my goodness The company that I

01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:51.099
founded, I was able to sell a little piece of

01:00:51.099 --> 01:00:53.920
it for $100 ,000. I was training people how to

01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:55.960
write books and stuff like that. And then we

01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.460
found this one special formula. And so I ended

01:00:58.460 --> 01:01:01.000
up selling a piece of it for $100 ,000. I didn't

01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.800
get to keep any of the $100 ,000 because I had

01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:05.239
to give it to the bankruptcy attorneys, which

01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:07.400
is perfectly fine. They deserved it because,

01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.280
you know, I spent the money and I didn't pay

01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:12.440
it back. So even there was a blessed in every

01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.199
mess. Every one of those flexes was a mess. And

01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:17.260
there was a stress and I found the blessed in

01:01:17.260 --> 01:01:19.360
every stress. I found the blessed in every message.

01:01:19.780 --> 01:01:21.840
I just thank Holy Spirit for that. It's very

01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.619
important that we don't hold on to asking God

01:01:24.619 --> 01:01:28.260
why we're in a situation and but rather ask what

01:01:28.260 --> 01:01:31.519
can he use us for? How can we proceed in his

01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:34.980
kingdom in this capacity? Yeah, it's when that's

01:01:34.980 --> 01:01:37.199
that's literally what you were mentioning. It's

01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:39.960
the difference between asking God why me or why

01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.159
this to what do you want me to do with this?

01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:44.079
How do you want me to, how do you want me to

01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:47.780
serve you with this? It is absolutely mindset.

01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:51.079
Leads to stress, yeah. I would say why not me?

01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:53.719
Why not me? As I've been through, why not me?

01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:56.440
Barry, I'm going to give you the accent, the

01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:59.239
bankruptcy, the cancer, the divorce. Why? It's

01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:03.239
your cross. Barry, that's your cross. You get

01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:06.019
to pick up your cross daily and talk about it

01:02:06.019 --> 01:02:08.940
freely with anybody who needs to hear it. And

01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:11.760
it's like, oh. And not that I'm saying anybody

01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:13.099
who's going through something right now, they

01:02:13.099 --> 01:02:14.840
have to pick up their cross and go on television

01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:17.420
and talk about it like I do. But they could talk

01:02:17.420 --> 01:02:19.599
about it with one cousin, with one relative,

01:02:19.739 --> 01:02:22.940
with one stranger on a bus or a subway and say,

01:02:23.019 --> 01:02:27.539
oh, I totally get it. I mean, you know, there's

01:02:27.539 --> 01:02:29.920
gosh, there's so many incidents of the Holy Spirit,

01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:32.719
living incidents where I witnessed it firsthand.

01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:36.139
And we just have to be willing to open up to

01:02:36.139 --> 01:02:38.579
people and say, may I ask your permission to

01:02:38.579 --> 01:02:41.210
ask you a question? You know, like a lot of times

01:02:41.210 --> 01:02:43.630
people you'll see a good -looking lady walk down

01:02:43.630 --> 01:02:45.389
the street and all the guys are whistling and

01:02:45.389 --> 01:02:47.750
everything like that. But sometimes, I mean,

01:02:47.949 --> 01:02:49.510
they get compliments like that all the time.

01:02:49.550 --> 01:02:52.170
Sometimes they're unwelcome. So sometimes I'll

01:02:52.170 --> 01:02:54.170
just say to somebody, may I have your permission

01:02:54.170 --> 01:02:57.289
to pay you a compliment? In all of my life, everybody

01:02:57.289 --> 01:02:59.769
has said yes, except one lady. And I said, would

01:02:59.769 --> 01:03:01.510
I, may I have your permission to pay you a compliment?

01:03:01.750 --> 01:03:04.849
No, it's okay. Okay, fine. Thank you. But everybody

01:03:04.849 --> 01:03:08.429
else says, oh, sure. What is it? And just that,

01:03:08.429 --> 01:03:11.610
that single act of kindness, telling people,

01:03:12.710 --> 01:03:14.670
you, the way you handled that person, the way

01:03:14.670 --> 01:03:17.469
you handled that rocket customer was amazing.

01:03:17.510 --> 01:03:20.309
How do you do that? I can't believe how you did

01:03:20.309 --> 01:03:23.010
that. You know, I do that a lot with flight attendants

01:03:23.010 --> 01:03:25.449
and I do that a lot at airports where the guy

01:03:25.449 --> 01:03:27.489
in front of me is so rude and how come you're

01:03:27.489 --> 01:03:29.829
not upsetting me? I've been a member for 50 years

01:03:29.829 --> 01:03:32.550
and all this kind of stuff. It's crazy. It's

01:03:32.550 --> 01:03:35.179
that how can you take what that That horrible

01:03:35.179 --> 01:03:37.860
person did and immediately reversed to make that

01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:40.820
person feel better. You know, we landed in a

01:03:40.820 --> 01:03:43.019
nice storm in Montreal once and everybody had

01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:45.179
to get shipped off to hotels or whatever. And

01:03:45.179 --> 01:03:47.059
the guy in front of me and the three guys in

01:03:47.059 --> 01:03:49.420
front of him were all so rude. Where's my hotel?

01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.239
Where's my pre -fac? And so when it was my turn,

01:03:52.380 --> 01:03:54.460
they said, how can I help you? You don't have

01:03:54.460 --> 01:03:55.900
to do anything for me if you don't want to. I

01:03:55.900 --> 01:03:57.960
just admire the way you handled those last four

01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.000
guys. And she said, what? I said, yeah, I said,

01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:03.119
obviously I need a room, but it doesn't matter.

01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:09.269
Are you OK? Mm -hmm. And she said, by the way,

01:04:09.309 --> 01:04:11.130
here, sir, I've upgraded you to a suite. I hope

01:04:11.130 --> 01:04:14.150
you don't mind. No, it's terrible. I wasn't even

01:04:14.150 --> 01:04:16.710
looking for that. I was looking for a box. At

01:04:16.710 --> 01:04:18.369
the end of the airport, I'll sleep in the box.

01:04:18.710 --> 01:04:21.630
You know, and but because she was in the verge

01:04:21.630 --> 01:04:24.710
of tears. How do we take because those tears

01:04:24.710 --> 01:04:28.070
have a voice. Most tears have a voice and they're

01:04:28.070 --> 01:04:31.550
saved. Please, would you stop? Beating me up.

01:04:31.550 --> 01:04:34.250
Would you stop verbally abusing me? But she's

01:04:34.250 --> 01:04:36.050
not allowed to cry those tears and she's not

01:04:36.050 --> 01:04:38.190
allowed to say those things because she's a customer

01:04:38.190 --> 01:04:40.769
service agent for an airport And it's the same

01:04:40.769 --> 01:04:43.289
thing and none of it was her fault in our lives.

01:04:43.949 --> 01:04:46.250
Yeah exactly Yeah, yeah, it was her fault that

01:04:46.250 --> 01:04:48.289
the ice storm came and you can't get here for

01:04:48.289 --> 01:04:50.849
like the next year, right? Let's go get your

01:04:50.849 --> 01:04:52.269
frustrated, but there's no reason to take it

01:04:52.269 --> 01:04:55.030
out on another person as no There's no reason

01:04:55.030 --> 01:04:57.440
for it I want to thank you so much for coming

01:04:57.440 --> 01:04:59.619
on our show today, Barry. You're an absolute

01:04:59.619 --> 01:05:03.219
delight. And you've overcome so much with the

01:05:03.219 --> 01:05:06.639
glory of God. And you've accomplished so much.

01:05:06.739 --> 01:05:09.880
And you really are leaving a legacy behind you,

01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:13.019
not just of gratitude and asking the right questions,

01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.719
but of just being someone who loves like God

01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.239
would love. Right. They say that, you know, you'll

01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:20.119
notice that we're Christians by our love and

01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:21.940
we don't see it a whole lot in today's society

01:05:21.940 --> 01:05:24.480
because too many of us mouth off before we think

01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.539
what Jesus would do or what Jesus would say to

01:05:27.539 --> 01:05:29.760
somebody. And I believe that you really are an

01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.599
inspiration. And I believe that you do show the

01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:35.480
love of Jesus to other people. And I really enjoy

01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.159
hearing you speak. Well, thank you very much,

01:05:38.260 --> 01:05:40.159
Josh. Josh and Shirley, it's been an honor to

01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:42.800
be on the show. I hope I didn't talk too much.

01:05:43.099 --> 01:05:45.199
There's just so many things that we can say about

01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:47.639
having His Father and Holy Spirit. The results

01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:49.880
He's blessed us with in our lives. I mean, I

01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:52.099
still struggle from time to time because I wanted

01:05:52.099 --> 01:05:54.760
you to like me so bad. Oh, I do things for free.

01:05:54.940 --> 01:05:57.039
So I was still, you know, I help people write

01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.500
books and I help people get their books on the

01:05:59.500 --> 01:06:01.139
marketplace. And at the same time, oh, well,

01:06:01.139 --> 01:06:03.300
I'll do it for free because they'll like me.

01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:05.019
I realized I'm not supposed to play that way

01:06:05.019 --> 01:06:09.420
anymore. No. So and so we still learn as we go.

01:06:09.989 --> 01:06:12.849
By no means am I perfect, but I am absolutely

01:06:12.849 --> 01:06:15.710
willing to be blessed with the perfection of

01:06:15.710 --> 01:06:18.309
the moment, even if it's a mistake, you know,

01:06:18.429 --> 01:06:20.110
and say, Heavenly Father, how do we turn this

01:06:20.110 --> 01:06:22.210
mess into a bless, you know? Well, thank you

01:06:22.210 --> 01:06:24.349
for allowing me to be on the show. Oh, yeah,

01:06:24.349 --> 01:06:26.610
our pleasure. It's been truly our pleasure. For

01:06:26.610 --> 01:06:30.110
sure. So can you tell our listeners how they

01:06:30.110 --> 01:06:33.630
can get a hold of you and your resources? Oh,

01:06:33.630 --> 01:06:36.670
sure. I guess the best way to do it. I know I'm

01:06:36.670 --> 01:06:38.130
going to do something you're not supposed to

01:06:38.130 --> 01:06:40.329
do. I'm going to just give you my personal email

01:06:40.329 --> 01:06:42.349
address because I've got a couple of different

01:06:42.349 --> 01:06:43.989
websites and I don't want to confuse anybody.

01:06:44.070 --> 01:06:47.730
So my personal email address is Barry33 at me

01:06:47.730 --> 01:06:53.150
.com. B -A -R -R -Y 33 at them .me .com. And

01:06:53.150 --> 01:06:56.309
that way I can, I can't give personal alarm answers

01:06:56.309 --> 01:06:58.269
if anybody has deep questions or anything like

01:06:58.269 --> 01:07:00.789
that, but at least that could start a conversation

01:07:00.789 --> 01:07:04.349
and we could pick it from there. Oh, thank you

01:07:04.349 --> 01:07:06.889
for that. If this episode has been a blessing

01:07:06.889 --> 01:07:09.909
to you, you got something that just hit you just

01:07:09.909 --> 01:07:12.230
right or you thought of somebody, we ask that

01:07:12.230 --> 01:07:15.170
you pass it along to them because it could be

01:07:15.170 --> 01:07:17.789
a blessing to them as well. That's how the Holy

01:07:17.789 --> 01:07:20.329
Spirit works. Just that little prompting. So

01:07:20.329 --> 01:07:23.630
if you act in that obedience, it'll just bring

01:07:23.630 --> 01:07:28.039
joy to somebody. I know it. And also, if you

01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:30.480
could do us a solid and rate the show, that would

01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.360
be amazing. And then it'll help the algorithms

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01:07:35.739 --> 01:07:38.019
encouraged. And with that, we'll talk to you

01:07:38.019 --> 01:07:42.420
next week. Thanks for tuning in to today's episode.

01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:45.719
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