1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,340 Are you 100% sure that you have a home in heaven? 2 00:00:03,340 --> 00:00:06,500 And I was like, what are you talking about? 3 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:07,340 I was kind of offended. 4 00:00:07,340 --> 00:00:08,740 I was like, what do you mean? 5 00:00:08,740 --> 00:00:09,580 I'm a Christian. 6 00:00:09,580 --> 00:00:11,420 I was brought up in a Christian home. 7 00:00:14,140 --> 00:00:16,980 Hey there, welcome to the God's goodness podcast. 8 00:00:16,980 --> 00:00:19,380 We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hinkins, 9 00:00:19,380 --> 00:00:22,300 and we're here to share real stories of God's power. 10 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:24,700 Stories of hope, healing and miracles 11 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:26,740 that both strengthen your faith. 12 00:00:26,740 --> 00:00:28,220 No matter what you're walking through, 13 00:00:28,220 --> 00:00:30,340 we wanna remind you that God is good 14 00:00:30,340 --> 00:00:32,100 and he's still moving today. 15 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:33,100 Let's dive in. 16 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:40,020 Today we have with us a special guest. 17 00:00:40,020 --> 00:00:41,780 Her name is Emily Fisher. 18 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:45,940 We actually met Emily through Elena Delamadrid. 19 00:00:45,940 --> 00:00:47,860 She's a former guest on her podcast 20 00:00:47,860 --> 00:00:49,380 and she knows Emily's story 21 00:00:49,380 --> 00:00:51,700 and she thought it would be a great one 22 00:00:51,700 --> 00:00:54,220 to share with our listeners. 23 00:00:54,220 --> 00:00:56,740 So with that, we're gonna have Emily open us up 24 00:00:56,740 --> 00:01:00,020 with an opening prayer and then we can get into it. 25 00:01:00,020 --> 00:01:01,860 So thank you, Emily. 26 00:01:01,860 --> 00:01:04,540 Yeah, well thanks you guys for having me on. 27 00:01:04,540 --> 00:01:06,100 All right, let's pray. 28 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:08,180 Father God, I thank you for this day 29 00:01:08,180 --> 00:01:11,300 and I thank you for Shelley and her platform. 30 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:13,140 I thank you for giving me the opportunity 31 00:01:13,140 --> 00:01:15,500 to share how you graciously worked in my life 32 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:18,340 and I pray that you would work through me now 33 00:01:18,340 --> 00:01:21,680 and that you would use me to honor and glorify you 34 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,060 and that someone who is listening would be blessed by this 35 00:01:25,060 --> 00:01:28,780 and I pray this all in Jesus' precious name, amen. 36 00:01:28,780 --> 00:01:30,340 Amen. 37 00:01:30,340 --> 00:01:31,660 So thanks for being with us 38 00:01:31,660 --> 00:01:33,860 and where would you like to start, Emily? 39 00:01:34,860 --> 00:01:38,220 You know, I can start with where it all started 40 00:01:38,220 --> 00:01:39,580 at my place of work. 41 00:01:39,580 --> 00:01:41,460 Really, this, yeah, this all happened 42 00:01:41,460 --> 00:01:43,380 at a clinic that I worked at 43 00:01:43,380 --> 00:01:44,780 right after I graduated. 44 00:01:44,780 --> 00:01:47,740 It was my first professional speech pathology job. 45 00:01:47,740 --> 00:01:51,180 So, and I'll preface by saying I grew up in a Christian home 46 00:01:51,180 --> 00:01:53,340 but prior to this experience, 47 00:01:53,340 --> 00:01:55,260 I really did not know the Lord 48 00:01:55,260 --> 00:01:59,100 and I couldn't truly tell you if I was saved or not 49 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:00,340 before everything happened. 50 00:02:00,340 --> 00:02:02,720 But after I received assurance of salvation, 51 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,100 then I knew for sure. 52 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:09,380 But so I started working at a myofunctional clinic. 53 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:12,340 It specialized in oral facial abnormalities, 54 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:15,980 worked a lot with speech and swallowing, breathing 55 00:02:15,980 --> 00:02:17,740 and I absolutely loved it. 56 00:02:17,740 --> 00:02:21,060 I mean, I worked very long hours for sure 57 00:02:21,060 --> 00:02:23,060 but I did really enjoy my job. 58 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:26,700 I absolutely loved my boss, adored her, trusted her. 59 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:28,780 So for a while it was all good 60 00:02:28,780 --> 00:02:30,860 despite just the long hours. 61 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:36,740 So, and about, I wanna say about seven months into my job 62 00:02:37,060 --> 00:02:39,380 is when things got really interesting. 63 00:02:39,380 --> 00:02:43,860 So we went from this specialized myofunctional clinic 64 00:02:43,860 --> 00:02:47,380 to slowly becoming kind of like a new age healing clinic 65 00:02:47,380 --> 00:02:51,660 because my boss had gotten really involved 66 00:02:51,660 --> 00:02:54,860 in this, I will call it a cult. 67 00:02:54,860 --> 00:02:58,700 It was this very, very evil practice, 68 00:02:58,700 --> 00:03:00,820 ran by a very evil man. 69 00:03:00,820 --> 00:03:03,700 And this was clear through his approaches. 70 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:06,060 And I know these kinds of people exist 71 00:03:06,060 --> 00:03:09,420 but this guy was different from just your average opportunist 72 00:03:09,420 --> 00:03:11,540 praying on vulnerable sick people. 73 00:03:11,540 --> 00:03:16,140 Like he was, I believe he was 100% being used by Satan. 74 00:03:16,140 --> 00:03:16,980 Yeah. 75 00:03:16,980 --> 00:03:21,900 And by the way, I was very, very ignorant during this time. 76 00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:24,260 I really had no idea. 77 00:03:24,260 --> 00:03:25,660 Like I knew it was kind of, okay, 78 00:03:25,660 --> 00:03:28,220 they got some woo woo ideas, all right, that's fine. 79 00:03:28,220 --> 00:03:32,500 But I had no idea that how dark that it really was. 80 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:33,980 And I also wanna say too 81 00:03:33,980 --> 00:03:36,980 that I am not against natural or holistic medicine. 82 00:03:36,980 --> 00:03:38,220 That is just the opposite. 83 00:03:38,220 --> 00:03:40,300 So I don't want this to come off as biased. 84 00:03:41,540 --> 00:03:44,740 I just the opposite, I'm against pharmaceuticals. 85 00:03:44,740 --> 00:03:46,660 If you're able to do something naturally 86 00:03:46,660 --> 00:03:49,700 before entering, using pills, things like that, 87 00:03:49,700 --> 00:03:51,900 then I would say go for that. 88 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:54,740 So I hope that doesn't shed a bad, exactly. 89 00:03:54,740 --> 00:03:55,580 Yeah. 90 00:03:55,580 --> 00:03:57,660 I'd rather pray over it before taking Tylenol. 91 00:03:57,660 --> 00:03:58,660 And then my husband would be like, 92 00:03:58,660 --> 00:03:59,500 did you take a Tylenol? 93 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:01,460 I'm like, no, I'm still braining about it. 94 00:04:01,460 --> 00:04:04,740 I do both. 95 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:06,100 I'm kind of one of those. 96 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:08,100 I plant the seed and wait for the rain. 97 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:10,140 Yeah. 98 00:04:10,140 --> 00:04:15,940 If God doesn't do it, then bear well. 99 00:04:15,940 --> 00:04:17,420 Yeah. 100 00:04:17,420 --> 00:04:20,980 So just not to shed a bad light on holistic care, 101 00:04:20,980 --> 00:04:25,340 because I think truly that the enemy uses, 102 00:04:25,340 --> 00:04:26,820 wears a lot of different hats. 103 00:04:26,820 --> 00:04:29,500 And this is one of them where I do think 104 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:33,620 there is a lot of corruption in the medical industry. 105 00:04:33,620 --> 00:04:35,900 And it kind of shows you like, 106 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:39,100 oh, well, look at all the corruption and here's some truth. 107 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:41,140 But then they mix it in with the lies. 108 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:43,660 So just to preface that. 109 00:04:43,660 --> 00:04:47,380 But so yeah, she started bringing these practices 110 00:04:47,380 --> 00:04:48,900 into the clinic. 111 00:04:48,900 --> 00:04:51,860 We were using a lot of these areas with clients 112 00:04:51,860 --> 00:04:54,340 and things like that, very out of place. 113 00:04:54,340 --> 00:04:56,940 We're still at a speech clinic, mind you. 114 00:04:56,940 --> 00:05:01,220 But there was a lot of moving pieces with just very, 115 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:04,500 just a lot going on with their approaches. 116 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:07,140 But just to kind of give you like the key points 117 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:08,500 of what they did. 118 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:12,780 They used a lot of products for detox, which is good. 119 00:05:12,780 --> 00:05:15,820 They did some deep tissue massage. 120 00:05:15,820 --> 00:05:17,220 That's what they called it. 121 00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:18,500 This was not a massage. 122 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:21,300 This was like a torture mechanism to, 123 00:05:21,300 --> 00:05:23,820 they would take their elbows or different tools 124 00:05:23,820 --> 00:05:25,380 and would just dig into your body 125 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:28,700 to break up like calcification, 126 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:29,860 improve like blood flow. 127 00:05:29,860 --> 00:05:32,060 Kind of made it all sound good, 128 00:05:32,060 --> 00:05:35,860 but it was barbaric in nature. 129 00:05:35,860 --> 00:05:39,300 And then it was the final piece was the doctrine 130 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:41,700 was like that final healing piece 131 00:05:41,700 --> 00:05:43,860 where like you couldn't fully heal 132 00:05:43,860 --> 00:05:46,940 unless you totally embraced our ideologies. 133 00:05:46,940 --> 00:05:49,820 And that was the most dangerous area of attack. 134 00:05:49,820 --> 00:05:54,820 So what's so interesting to me is that 135 00:05:54,820 --> 00:05:58,940 they went after the key basis for salvation and Christianity. 136 00:05:58,940 --> 00:06:01,020 And of course they only attacked Christianity. 137 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:04,860 So they would teach you that you would have to unlearn 138 00:06:04,860 --> 00:06:07,740 everything that you've learned and then relearn, 139 00:06:07,740 --> 00:06:09,820 their new age doctrines. 140 00:06:09,820 --> 00:06:11,620 And I think this is worth mentioning 141 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:13,580 some of the things that they said, 142 00:06:13,580 --> 00:06:16,300 because here's the first one, it seems to a lot of place, 143 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:19,420 but you are not a sinner is the first thing 144 00:06:19,420 --> 00:06:20,900 that they taught you. 145 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:24,900 How interesting like how the enemy works 146 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:27,140 because the prerequisite to getting saved 147 00:06:27,140 --> 00:06:29,260 is admitting that you were a sinner. 148 00:06:29,260 --> 00:06:31,660 What did that actually have to do with 149 00:06:31,660 --> 00:06:35,500 the occupational medicine that you guys would practice? 150 00:06:35,500 --> 00:06:39,340 I mean, and I love Jesus and I love people 151 00:06:39,340 --> 00:06:40,860 acknowledging that they live a life of sin 152 00:06:40,860 --> 00:06:42,500 and Jesus is their savior. 153 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:44,460 But when you're in a professional setting 154 00:06:44,460 --> 00:06:47,460 where you're using speech therapy, other things, 155 00:06:47,460 --> 00:06:50,620 ear, nose and throat, what would that have anything to do with it? 156 00:06:50,620 --> 00:06:52,940 Yeah, how'd they justify that? 157 00:06:52,940 --> 00:06:55,860 So the way they kind of got away with that 158 00:06:55,860 --> 00:06:58,460 is that there was a lot of separate camps. 159 00:06:58,460 --> 00:07:02,300 So all of our clients, my entire caseload, 160 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:05,260 it was, I'm working with the kids 161 00:07:05,260 --> 00:07:07,660 with myofunctional disorders, 162 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:10,140 with speech or tick, things like that. 163 00:07:10,140 --> 00:07:14,420 But then it was the way that they would kind of get the foot 164 00:07:14,420 --> 00:07:19,420 in the door was if there was like a need for detox 165 00:07:22,260 --> 00:07:25,220 and emotional regulation, things like that, 166 00:07:25,220 --> 00:07:28,660 which pretty much everybody can benefit from that, 167 00:07:28,660 --> 00:07:31,580 then you would get kind of referred over 168 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:34,660 to a different area of the clinic, 169 00:07:34,660 --> 00:07:36,900 like a different practice that's being utilized. 170 00:07:36,900 --> 00:07:39,460 So it wasn't like every client was getting this, 171 00:07:39,460 --> 00:07:43,180 that's for sure, but it was bringing in like new clients. 172 00:07:43,180 --> 00:07:46,860 And we were also kind of encouraged to refer 173 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:49,140 when there was the need for it. 174 00:07:49,140 --> 00:07:52,500 I'll mention this one thing that really stuck to me. 175 00:07:52,500 --> 00:07:56,660 I did have one client who he had autism was nonverbal. 176 00:07:56,660 --> 00:07:59,820 And it wasn't even with my knowledge. 177 00:07:59,820 --> 00:08:02,100 She kind of, I guess started co-treating him, 178 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:03,460 my boss by the way. 179 00:08:03,460 --> 00:08:07,540 And she started using a machine with him 180 00:08:07,540 --> 00:08:10,500 that sent him to the hospital for over a week. 181 00:08:11,460 --> 00:08:15,220 So yeah, and I can't mention the name of the machine 182 00:08:15,220 --> 00:08:16,060 and things. 183 00:08:16,060 --> 00:08:17,300 So that's kind of how they would get, 184 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:18,860 I don't know what she said to them either. 185 00:08:18,860 --> 00:08:21,100 I don't know if she was trying to cure the autism 186 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:26,100 or what it was, but it was just very sneaky. 187 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:29,900 It was never like, oh, come and unlearn everything 188 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:32,340 that you've learned to learn our new age doctrine. 189 00:08:32,340 --> 00:08:33,620 It was never like that. 190 00:08:33,620 --> 00:08:37,220 It was very subtle, every step of the way. 191 00:08:37,220 --> 00:08:38,940 Well, that's how the enemy works. 192 00:08:38,940 --> 00:08:41,740 If he did it, like turning a piece of paper 193 00:08:41,740 --> 00:08:44,020 over everybody would notice. 194 00:08:44,020 --> 00:08:44,860 Exactly. 195 00:08:44,860 --> 00:08:46,500 And then nobody would go along with it. 196 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:48,700 All of the Christians, everyone with their discernment, 197 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:50,580 everyone who thinks they have discernment would say, 198 00:08:50,580 --> 00:08:52,340 oh, oh, oh. 199 00:08:52,340 --> 00:08:53,500 But when he does it subtly, 200 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:55,340 the people that think they have discernment 201 00:08:55,340 --> 00:08:57,140 don't are caught unaware. 202 00:08:58,420 --> 00:09:01,020 Absolutely, absolutely. 203 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:04,940 And, you know, admittingly, I was hearing these things 204 00:09:04,940 --> 00:09:09,460 because we all had to go through this treatment, 205 00:09:09,460 --> 00:09:11,180 I guess you could say. 206 00:09:11,180 --> 00:09:12,300 It was like mandatory. 207 00:09:12,300 --> 00:09:14,140 My boss said, everybody schedule a day, 208 00:09:14,140 --> 00:09:16,260 come in on your day off, by the way. 209 00:09:16,260 --> 00:09:17,980 Like I was a slave there. 210 00:09:17,980 --> 00:09:21,380 So coming in on a day off was, but, 211 00:09:22,460 --> 00:09:25,580 and so we all had to go in. 212 00:09:25,580 --> 00:09:27,420 So I went through with this treatment 213 00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:31,700 and I can tell you everything that, you know, 214 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:34,860 she said to me and like all the things that had happened. 215 00:09:34,860 --> 00:09:38,900 So I ended up going through the massage treatment 216 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:42,140 where they dig their elbows into, you know, 217 00:09:42,140 --> 00:09:44,380 an area of the skin to heal you. 218 00:09:44,380 --> 00:09:47,740 And she worked on me for almost three hours. 219 00:09:47,740 --> 00:09:50,340 And I can't even, it was undescribable pain. 220 00:09:51,620 --> 00:09:53,100 You know, I was all bruised. 221 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:55,620 She worked on my stomach, my chest area, 222 00:09:55,620 --> 00:09:57,220 and my pelvic area. 223 00:09:57,220 --> 00:10:00,140 And it was just horrendous. 224 00:10:00,140 --> 00:10:02,420 But aside from the pain of it, 225 00:10:02,420 --> 00:10:05,980 I will say that I knew that it was powerful. 226 00:10:05,980 --> 00:10:09,140 I just didn't, I honestly did not know what it was. 227 00:10:09,140 --> 00:10:10,420 I was just so ignorant. 228 00:10:10,420 --> 00:10:13,100 I didn't really know, you know, what was happening. 229 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:14,700 And I trusted this woman and I thought, 230 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:15,820 oh, she's very smart. 231 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:17,900 And she knows what she's talking about. 232 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:20,540 And throughout this entire process 233 00:10:20,540 --> 00:10:22,260 where they were working on you, 234 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:24,540 she would say, you need to open up. 235 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:27,500 You need to let go, you know, all these things. 236 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:32,020 So it did feel like oddly a very spiritual, dark experience. 237 00:10:32,020 --> 00:10:35,300 But then afterwards is where this was kind of 238 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:38,460 the crossroads for me is when she started 239 00:10:38,460 --> 00:10:40,020 telling me all these things. 240 00:10:40,020 --> 00:10:42,620 So she started with a, you know, you're not a sinner, right? 241 00:10:42,620 --> 00:10:44,460 And you shouldn't even go to church 242 00:10:44,460 --> 00:10:47,020 because they tell you that you're a sinner there. 243 00:10:47,020 --> 00:10:49,300 And that's blocking you from God. 244 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:51,500 And, you know, God is high frequency, 245 00:10:51,500 --> 00:10:53,860 all these, you know, things when in fact it's like, 246 00:10:53,860 --> 00:10:56,420 I'm the one who's set free from sin 247 00:10:56,420 --> 00:10:58,940 and she's the one in bondage to sin. 248 00:10:58,940 --> 00:11:01,260 I kind of wanted to go over like some of the key areas 249 00:11:01,260 --> 00:11:03,580 of salvation that the enemy attacked 250 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:07,500 because I'd like for, you know, anyone who's listening 251 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:11,660 to kind of recognize how strategic that the enemy is. 252 00:11:11,660 --> 00:11:14,100 Like the, now looking back on it, 253 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:16,980 I heard these things and it went over my head, you know, 254 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:18,900 but for someone who knows the true gospel, 255 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:20,100 they would hear this right away 256 00:11:20,100 --> 00:11:22,380 and they would have that discernment, right? 257 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:26,740 Yeah, but I did not, but it's clear that the- 258 00:11:26,740 --> 00:11:30,700 So you're going to share like what to be on the lookout for. 259 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:32,540 So people don't have to go through this 260 00:11:33,620 --> 00:11:34,900 or they gargling through it. 261 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:38,180 Like, hey, these are things you might want to look at. 262 00:11:39,740 --> 00:11:43,340 Yeah, well, I mean, well, the thing is to be on the lookout, 263 00:11:43,340 --> 00:11:46,300 well, for one, I would say you have to be in God's word, 264 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:48,780 for sure, I wouldn't say rely on yourself 265 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:51,100 to recognize anything. 266 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:55,340 And, but also to know the true gospel. 267 00:11:55,340 --> 00:11:57,460 So, you know, these things, 268 00:11:57,460 --> 00:11:59,500 they did not jump out at me at first, 269 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:02,460 but once I did know the gospel, then I recognized, 270 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:05,260 I was like, okay, I can see how strategic, you know, 271 00:12:05,260 --> 00:12:08,420 the enemy is working because anytime you hear something 272 00:12:08,420 --> 00:12:13,340 that it sounds like a counterfeit version of God's promises, 273 00:12:13,340 --> 00:12:16,460 that's when the alarm bell should go off. 274 00:12:16,460 --> 00:12:17,300 So- 275 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:18,620 It's just like the Garden of Eden 276 00:12:18,620 --> 00:12:22,660 when the devil promised Eve the things that she already had. 277 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:26,780 Yeah, yeah, I know. 278 00:12:26,780 --> 00:12:29,540 So, and now that kind of makes me think of some of the things 279 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:30,940 that they brought up. 280 00:12:30,940 --> 00:12:35,340 They really blurred the idea of heaven for one. 281 00:12:35,340 --> 00:12:36,580 So they would say things like, 282 00:12:36,580 --> 00:12:39,380 oh, you know, we don't really know what heaven is, 283 00:12:39,380 --> 00:12:43,860 but we can have heaven on earth, like the earth is abundant 284 00:12:43,860 --> 00:12:46,260 and we should make the most of it here. 285 00:12:46,260 --> 00:12:50,780 And because of course, like, this is the closest thing 286 00:12:50,780 --> 00:12:54,220 to heaven for someone who is on their way to hell. 287 00:12:54,220 --> 00:12:56,060 And then also I'm thinking of some of the things 288 00:12:56,060 --> 00:12:58,820 that they had mentioned, just to look out for. 289 00:12:58,820 --> 00:13:03,380 The, I kind of think of the ongoing concept of self-love. 290 00:13:03,380 --> 00:13:07,180 So if you constantly hear, you know, love yourself, 291 00:13:07,180 --> 00:13:10,620 put yourself first, then I would also, 292 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:12,940 then those alarm bells should go off as well. 293 00:13:12,940 --> 00:13:13,900 So- 294 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:17,060 For the latter half of that, I mean, it's okay to love yourself, 295 00:13:17,060 --> 00:13:20,380 but it's not okay to constantly put yourself first. 296 00:13:20,380 --> 00:13:21,220 Yeah, but also- 297 00:13:21,220 --> 00:13:23,180 That's not what Jesus teaches. 298 00:13:23,180 --> 00:13:25,900 And looking at yourself to kind of save yourself too. 299 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:27,420 So that just reminded me of something 300 00:13:27,420 --> 00:13:29,020 that they would always reiterate is that 301 00:13:29,020 --> 00:13:31,340 no one is coming to save you. 302 00:13:31,340 --> 00:13:33,780 So you can see that if you even had, you know, 303 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:36,500 the basics, you know, the foundations of faith, 304 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:38,340 you would hear those things and know. 305 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:41,620 So, you know, we're not going to save ourselves 306 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:45,860 through self-love and, you know, seeking higher consciousness 307 00:13:45,860 --> 00:13:48,300 within ourselves and things like that. 308 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:49,980 Only Jesus can save us. 309 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:54,340 And we're not going to reach, you know, divinity. 310 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:56,380 There's a need for a mediator. 311 00:13:56,380 --> 00:13:57,220 That's another one. 312 00:13:57,220 --> 00:14:00,500 Anytime if someone mentions that there isn't a need 313 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:05,460 for a mediator to God the Father, then, yeah, 314 00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:07,180 then you should be on the lookout. 315 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:08,100 Yeah. 316 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:12,460 So, and then kind of after that treatment had happened, 317 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:14,220 that really shook me up. 318 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:17,420 So at that point, I really didn't know where to turn. 319 00:14:17,420 --> 00:14:20,620 Yeah, how long were you there before you had that treatment? 320 00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:24,140 About, at this point, it was about eight months, 321 00:14:24,140 --> 00:14:24,980 eight, nine months. 322 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:26,260 Okay. 323 00:14:26,260 --> 00:14:27,100 Yeah. 324 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:28,620 So I had been there for a while, 325 00:14:28,620 --> 00:14:31,100 really didn't see myself working anywhere else 326 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:32,740 or in any other practice. 327 00:14:33,620 --> 00:14:36,340 So, you know, when she said these things to me, 328 00:14:36,340 --> 00:14:38,180 I knew that something was wrong. 329 00:14:38,180 --> 00:14:39,660 And I wanted the truth. 330 00:14:39,660 --> 00:14:41,060 I wanted to align with God, 331 00:14:41,060 --> 00:14:43,860 but I was getting so many winds of doctrine 332 00:14:43,860 --> 00:14:45,020 and just was so confused. 333 00:14:45,020 --> 00:14:46,380 I didn't really know where to turn. 334 00:14:46,380 --> 00:14:47,900 So I was desperate. 335 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:49,100 And I was very honest with God. 336 00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:51,460 I was like, God, I am not smart enough for this. 337 00:14:51,460 --> 00:14:54,020 You're going to have to show me what the truth is. 338 00:14:54,020 --> 00:14:55,780 Like, are they telling the truth? 339 00:14:55,780 --> 00:14:58,100 Are they telling, are they saying that, you know, 340 00:14:58,100 --> 00:15:00,460 God's word isn't real and all these other things? 341 00:15:00,460 --> 00:15:01,740 You know, what is it? 342 00:15:01,740 --> 00:15:04,180 I'd like to align with you, but I need help. 343 00:15:04,180 --> 00:15:06,740 And it was within a week. 344 00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:11,380 It would quickly and swiftly, he answered my prayers. 345 00:15:11,380 --> 00:15:15,980 And all of these false doctrines were all corrected 346 00:15:15,980 --> 00:15:17,980 because someone had come into my life 347 00:15:17,980 --> 00:15:20,100 and stepped outside of their comfort zone 348 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:22,900 and confronted me with the question, 349 00:15:22,900 --> 00:15:25,740 are you 100% sure that you have a home and haven't? 350 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:28,900 And I was like, what are you talking about? 351 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:29,740 I was kind of offended. 352 00:15:29,740 --> 00:15:31,140 I was like, what do you mean? 353 00:15:31,140 --> 00:15:31,980 I'm a Christian. 354 00:15:31,980 --> 00:15:34,300 I was brought up in a Christian home. 355 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:35,940 It's not like I murdered somebody. 356 00:15:35,940 --> 00:15:38,500 Yeah, of course I, my goods outweigh my bad. 357 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:39,740 What do you mean? 358 00:15:39,740 --> 00:15:43,260 And then he took me through just, you know, 359 00:15:43,260 --> 00:15:45,220 Romans road, like, well, you know, 360 00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:49,020 that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. 361 00:15:49,020 --> 00:15:51,220 And, you know, there's a need for Christ 362 00:15:51,220 --> 00:15:52,500 and what he did on the cross. 363 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:56,740 And it's our faith in him that that saves us. 364 00:15:56,740 --> 00:15:58,780 That sounds like the gospel winning script 365 00:15:58,780 --> 00:16:02,020 that we learned about in our first episode of season two. 366 00:16:02,020 --> 00:16:02,860 It's amazing. 367 00:16:02,860 --> 00:16:06,940 And like you can lead others to God within minutes 368 00:16:06,940 --> 00:16:08,020 with that script. 369 00:16:08,020 --> 00:16:11,220 So that's amazing that that's what turned things around 370 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:12,820 for you and then you start thinking. 371 00:16:12,820 --> 00:16:14,140 So like when he answered your prayers, 372 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:16,100 were you reading the Bible to find answers 373 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:18,980 or just like waiting for him to speak to you? 374 00:16:18,980 --> 00:16:20,900 Yeah, like was there a specific verse 375 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:22,820 that got you through it like an anchor? 376 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:26,260 You know, when the thing is, 377 00:16:26,260 --> 00:16:29,020 I didn't jump straight into the word as, you know, 378 00:16:29,020 --> 00:16:31,740 as soon as I was given all this information, 379 00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:33,580 it was more the resources and the people 380 00:16:33,580 --> 00:16:35,780 that reached me at the time. 381 00:16:35,780 --> 00:16:39,660 But then after that, yes, I have been in the word since. 382 00:16:39,660 --> 00:16:42,300 And, you know, one of you had mentioned one of the verses, 383 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:44,260 one of the things that was reiterated to me 384 00:16:44,260 --> 00:16:47,700 is that he gives wisdom abundantly. 385 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:52,700 So if any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God 386 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:54,620 that give it to all and then liberally. 387 00:16:54,620 --> 00:16:58,140 And that word just liberally really stuck out to me 388 00:16:58,140 --> 00:16:59,780 because he really did. 389 00:16:59,780 --> 00:17:02,060 He not only did he give me the truth quickly, 390 00:17:02,060 --> 00:17:03,540 but he also gave me, you know, 391 00:17:03,540 --> 00:17:05,500 way more than I had even bargained for. 392 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:07,340 So, yeah. 393 00:17:07,340 --> 00:17:09,220 He sure does. 394 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:12,420 So he entered your life in a very profound way 395 00:17:12,420 --> 00:17:14,100 because you asked him to, 396 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:17,340 did you notice a shift in how your fellow coworkers, 397 00:17:17,340 --> 00:17:20,820 your boss, did you notice any shift in how they treated you? 398 00:17:21,980 --> 00:17:23,180 This is so interesting. 399 00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:27,300 So, you know, those are the people that I basically, 400 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:29,580 I was just around 24 seven. 401 00:17:29,580 --> 00:17:34,580 And they, we didn't really talk about it. 402 00:17:34,700 --> 00:17:38,780 There was a lot of fear within the clinic. 403 00:17:38,780 --> 00:17:41,900 I think there was, people were starting to question, 404 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:44,580 but no one, like I said, is, no one said it out loud 405 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:46,900 because people were kind of afraid of our boss. 406 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:49,180 Or to go the opposite way. 407 00:17:49,180 --> 00:17:52,300 And then I started kind of sprinkling in like, 408 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:54,100 guys, I don't know so much about the, 409 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:55,340 I still didn't know for sure. 410 00:17:55,340 --> 00:17:57,860 All I know was that, you know, something was wrong. 411 00:17:57,860 --> 00:18:01,860 Yeah, that gut feeling is the Holy Spirit. 412 00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:02,900 For those of you who don't know, 413 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:05,420 that gut feeling is your Holy Spirit. 414 00:18:05,420 --> 00:18:06,260 Trying to talk to you. 415 00:18:06,260 --> 00:18:07,100 Yes, I am. 416 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:08,820 Yeah. 417 00:18:08,820 --> 00:18:11,740 I was scared because, you know, 418 00:18:12,580 --> 00:18:14,060 I was afraid to confront my boss. 419 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:16,380 I was afraid to confront my coworkers 420 00:18:16,380 --> 00:18:19,660 who seemed to be fully embracing the new practices, 421 00:18:19,660 --> 00:18:20,780 by the way. 422 00:18:20,780 --> 00:18:25,500 And so I felt very alone in all of it. 423 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:27,700 And I had to, you know, I have to be there all the time. 424 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:28,780 And I had, it's just, 425 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:32,300 It's hard to be the first to say something. 426 00:18:33,380 --> 00:18:34,220 Exactly. 427 00:18:34,220 --> 00:18:35,340 Yeah, it was. 428 00:18:35,340 --> 00:18:37,540 But then once you find out other people are thinking 429 00:18:37,540 --> 00:18:41,140 like you are, you're like, hmm, then you gain the momentum. 430 00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:43,900 So then what were the, where were the next things to happen? 431 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:46,500 So after you did that, you had that experience 432 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,580 with the deep tissue thing. 433 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:50,580 And then you had God speaking to you. 434 00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:52,380 Mm-hmm. 435 00:18:52,380 --> 00:18:54,580 So here I am, I'm given all this truth. 436 00:18:54,580 --> 00:18:56,540 I know that I have to be on my way out. 437 00:18:56,540 --> 00:18:59,420 Something I really wanted to mention quickly is that 438 00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:02,420 God really took care of me during that time 439 00:19:02,420 --> 00:19:04,220 because I was very scared. 440 00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:06,940 You know, I got this all information, you know, new. 441 00:19:06,940 --> 00:19:10,860 And my coworkers were not on board at first. 442 00:19:10,860 --> 00:19:14,460 However, there was a Christian, 443 00:19:14,460 --> 00:19:18,260 it was my colleague's boyfriend who was a believer 444 00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:21,780 who looked into this man and was, 445 00:19:21,780 --> 00:19:23,540 and brought it to her attention and was like, 446 00:19:23,540 --> 00:19:25,020 he did all this research on him and was like, 447 00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:28,180 Hey, did you know that this guy has a history of scandals 448 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:30,780 and that he's in an investigation right now 449 00:19:30,780 --> 00:19:32,740 and all these other things? 450 00:19:32,740 --> 00:19:35,180 And, you know, I didn't even look into him, 451 00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:38,940 but it just goes to show that a Christian 452 00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:43,340 can have that discernment and he wasn't even there. 453 00:19:43,340 --> 00:19:44,300 You know what I mean? 454 00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:47,980 So then he brought it to her and then she brought it, 455 00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:49,060 you know, to the clinic that, 456 00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:50,900 hey, you guys, did you know about this? 457 00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:54,100 And that is when everybody started to shift. 458 00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:59,060 So just so you know, everything kind of all came to a head 459 00:19:59,060 --> 00:20:02,140 and everybody was on the same page miraculously. 460 00:20:02,140 --> 00:20:02,980 So- 461 00:20:02,980 --> 00:20:04,380 Is only God can do. 462 00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:06,420 Yeah. 463 00:20:06,420 --> 00:20:07,820 So that in itself was a miracle 464 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:09,220 and it took so much pressure off me 465 00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:11,220 because like honestly during this time, 466 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:12,940 it was just taking years of my life 467 00:20:12,940 --> 00:20:15,460 because I was under so much tremendous stress. 468 00:20:15,460 --> 00:20:16,300 Absolutely. 469 00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:18,220 Absolutely. 470 00:20:18,220 --> 00:20:19,220 Yeah. Yeah. 471 00:20:19,220 --> 00:20:23,940 So, and something else worth mentioning is that 472 00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:26,380 there were more non-believers there than believers 473 00:20:26,380 --> 00:20:30,300 and yet everybody, it's like God's will still happened. 474 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:32,900 So I'll talk about the next steps. 475 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:35,900 This cult leader, by the way, he came to our clinic 476 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:40,900 and he hosted like a three day event and it's just very dark 477 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:45,100 and everybody kind of had enough already. 478 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:49,860 So when he came, everybody knew that he was not 479 00:20:49,860 --> 00:20:51,140 who he said he was. 480 00:20:51,140 --> 00:20:52,780 He couldn't, you know, charm everybody 481 00:20:52,780 --> 00:20:56,060 and people kind of saw right through him and his practices. 482 00:20:56,060 --> 00:20:59,700 At the end of the week, when he had gone, you know, back home, 483 00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:03,980 we had all decided to have a meeting with our boss 484 00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:05,700 and we kind of gave her, 485 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:07,300 we just drew the line in the sand. 486 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:10,300 We said, listen, we've had clients who have been injured. 487 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:12,940 I'm thinking of the one kid that I told you about. 488 00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:16,820 Now, you know, this guy, we simply do not trust him 489 00:21:16,820 --> 00:21:19,860 and this isn't an accreditive practice. 490 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:24,620 So, you know, either you have to go back to the clinic 491 00:21:24,620 --> 00:21:28,540 that we were all hired onto or we're all leaving 492 00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:33,540 and everybody ended up leaving that same day, just quitting. 493 00:21:33,540 --> 00:21:36,620 I guess we got an answer then. 494 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:39,620 Yeah, yeah, so really, really. 495 00:21:39,620 --> 00:21:44,100 And here's the thing too is I'm such a people pleaser 496 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,780 and I wanted to stay there for her sake 497 00:21:46,780 --> 00:21:49,300 because I really do love her, my boss. 498 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:51,300 And I thought, you know what, I'll just, 499 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:53,860 I'll give her a month and, you know, 500 00:21:53,860 --> 00:21:55,580 I can't leave my clients this and that. 501 00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:58,860 Like I had such a pull, like my natural tendencies 502 00:21:58,860 --> 00:22:01,740 and it's very fleshful to, you know, be a people pleaser 503 00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:05,380 and I recognize that, but I wanted so badly to stay there. 504 00:22:05,380 --> 00:22:09,780 But I had that gut feeling not to go back. 505 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:12,660 I knew that I was supposed to be taken out of that clinic. 506 00:22:13,740 --> 00:22:16,500 Every time I wanted to, to say to myself, 507 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:19,860 okay, I'll just go back, I felt that pull from God. 508 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:22,540 Like no, it's not, like it's not even an option. 509 00:22:22,540 --> 00:22:23,740 You cannot go back. 510 00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:25,780 It is not safe. 511 00:22:25,780 --> 00:22:26,860 It was not safe. 512 00:22:26,860 --> 00:22:31,860 And the thing is, I don't know if I could be there 513 00:22:32,060 --> 00:22:34,380 for a whole month and confidently say 514 00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:36,060 that nothing would happen if it was just me 515 00:22:36,060 --> 00:22:37,820 and her in the clinic. 516 00:22:37,820 --> 00:22:38,660 You know what I mean? 517 00:22:38,660 --> 00:22:41,940 So there was that safety issue, which really kind of, 518 00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:43,660 it's like the Lord kept reminding me, 519 00:22:43,660 --> 00:22:47,900 you'll be there alone in that clinic and it's not safe. 520 00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:51,420 So, and yeah, and that's what happened. 521 00:22:51,420 --> 00:22:53,980 After that, I've been on fire for God's sins. 522 00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:57,900 That's awesome. I've been to a church and that I really love. 523 00:22:57,900 --> 00:22:59,540 Yeah. And it's just been, 524 00:22:59,540 --> 00:23:02,140 I've been looking for ways to serve the Lord ever since 525 00:23:02,140 --> 00:23:04,940 and things have just not been the same. 526 00:23:04,940 --> 00:23:07,700 Just so many things have changed since then. 527 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:10,100 In retrospect, growing up in a Christian family 528 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:12,020 and then having this happen 529 00:23:12,020 --> 00:23:14,380 before you started really leaning into God, 530 00:23:14,380 --> 00:23:16,500 do you believe that you actually were a Christian 531 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:18,500 in hindsight in the beginning? 532 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:19,700 Or if you just thought you were 533 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:24,700 because you were raised that way? It's hard to say. 534 00:23:25,460 --> 00:23:28,420 You know, I thought that I was a Christian, 535 00:23:28,420 --> 00:23:32,180 but the gospel did not penetrate my heart, not at all. 536 00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:34,940 Yeah, it wasn't until after this. 537 00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:36,820 And then when I heard it and accepted it 538 00:23:36,820 --> 00:23:39,740 and personally called upon the Lord, 539 00:23:39,740 --> 00:23:43,340 that's, I didn't have the same feeling that I had afterwards. 540 00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:44,180 That's for sure. 541 00:23:44,180 --> 00:23:46,420 I honestly couldn't tell you if I was saved or not. 542 00:23:46,420 --> 00:23:48,820 And he swiftly corrected the false teachings around you, 543 00:23:48,820 --> 00:23:50,100 right? 544 00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:50,940 Yes. 545 00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:53,100 What do you think that reveals about his character? 546 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:56,340 That he does not want us to be deceived. 547 00:23:57,380 --> 00:24:01,460 Yeah, I really, he does not want us to be led 548 00:24:01,460 --> 00:24:02,740 to a blind faith. 549 00:24:02,740 --> 00:24:07,620 And he wants us to respond to truth correctly as well. 550 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:09,540 Cause then he just kept revealing more and more truth 551 00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:13,420 to me liberally, more than I could almost handle. 552 00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:16,220 So you mentioned he doesn't want us to be deceived. 553 00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:17,980 What are subtle deceptions do you think 554 00:24:17,980 --> 00:24:20,700 that are really dangerous to believers today? 555 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:22,460 Like how can we discern them? 556 00:24:23,740 --> 00:24:28,620 Yeah, so kind of going back to the anything that goes, 557 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:30,540 that goes against God and his word, 558 00:24:30,540 --> 00:24:34,860 the anything that offers counterfeit of God's promises. 559 00:24:34,860 --> 00:24:36,180 Yeah. 560 00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:38,500 One of the biggest things we've been dealing with 561 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:42,300 since season two started is spiritual warfare. 562 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:44,060 It is crazy. 563 00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:47,060 And so what did this experience teach you 564 00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:48,660 about spiritual warfare? 565 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:52,700 Oh gosh, you know, it's so interesting. 566 00:24:53,820 --> 00:24:56,740 Once I've had, you know, this experience 567 00:24:56,740 --> 00:25:00,100 and I had, you know, this sense of urgency 568 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:03,340 to start serving God more and, you know, 569 00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:05,740 seeing the world for what it is, 570 00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:08,140 I did not experience spiritual warfare before 571 00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:10,100 like I do now. 572 00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:10,940 Yeah. 573 00:25:10,940 --> 00:25:13,060 And certainly, at least for me personally, 574 00:25:13,060 --> 00:25:16,140 the attack of the mind is a tool 575 00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:17,700 that the enemy uses. 576 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:20,540 And it's, I think it's important to be conscious of that too, 577 00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:22,340 because you can kind of spiral. 578 00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:25,060 And I think that's how the enemy just tries to exhaust you 579 00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:28,300 and, you know, pull you away from, you know, 580 00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:31,380 completing what God has set forth for you. 581 00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:34,860 So it's important to kind of catch it and stop it 582 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:36,460 and then pray about it. 583 00:25:36,460 --> 00:25:40,180 As soon as you feel like something is not coming from God. 584 00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:41,020 Yeah. 585 00:25:41,020 --> 00:25:43,020 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 586 00:25:43,020 --> 00:25:45,500 So if someone listening is currently 587 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:47,460 in a place of confusion about their faith, 588 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:49,660 like what would you say to them right now? 589 00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:52,700 I would involve God. 590 00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:55,940 Yeah, ask God for wisdom and for understanding. 591 00:25:55,940 --> 00:25:57,020 Yeah. 592 00:25:57,020 --> 00:25:59,660 That reminds me of this listening prayer thing 593 00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:02,180 I've recently learned about. 594 00:26:02,180 --> 00:26:05,700 And one of the things you can do is you journal with God 595 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:07,220 and you write down your questions. 596 00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:08,460 So you have a Q and A session. 597 00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:11,420 So not only like a real relationship with somebody, 598 00:26:11,420 --> 00:26:13,780 you know, just talk, talk, talk and then walk away. 599 00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:14,620 Right. 600 00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:15,460 Oh yeah. 601 00:26:15,460 --> 00:26:16,860 And wait for them to respond. 602 00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:19,380 So you have your Q, but then put A. 603 00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:22,020 So when he answers, be prepared to write down 604 00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:22,860 what he does say. 605 00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:25,860 So you listen for what he has to say. 606 00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:28,860 So listening prayers, they can be effective. 607 00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:31,220 And then if you're wondering, is this from me 608 00:26:31,220 --> 00:26:32,220 or is this God? 609 00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:37,620 Like if it's good and it aligns up with his character 610 00:26:37,620 --> 00:26:39,500 that is revealed to us through his word, 611 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:42,340 then you can rest assured it is from him. 612 00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:45,300 And sometimes it'll bring you to tears too 613 00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:47,300 with the encouragement that he can offer. 614 00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:48,140 Yeah, I agree. 615 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:49,940 I think bottom line, your first line of defense 616 00:26:49,940 --> 00:26:53,740 against the wiles of the enemy is the word of God. 617 00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:54,580 Amen. 618 00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:55,420 If you're not in the word, 619 00:26:55,420 --> 00:26:56,860 you don't know you're being deceived. 620 00:26:56,860 --> 00:26:59,460 And if you think the enemy doesn't know the word, 621 00:26:59,460 --> 00:27:00,300 you're fooling yourself 622 00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:02,740 because he tempted Jesus by using the word. 623 00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:05,140 Right. 624 00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:06,180 So the enemy does know the word 625 00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:07,980 and he will absolutely use it at a contest 626 00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:09,580 to suit his needs. 627 00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:13,460 He will absolutely use something good to so evil. 628 00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:14,300 Absolutely. 629 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:15,740 Like that's the biggest trick 630 00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:16,900 I think Christians don't realize 631 00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:18,540 is it's not just flipping over the page. 632 00:27:18,540 --> 00:27:20,300 It's not an obvious thing. 633 00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:22,820 Eve was tempted with good, right? 634 00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:24,780 She saw the fruit was good to eat. 635 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:27,100 She wasn't tempted with evil. 636 00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:28,340 She was like, oh, that's nasty. 637 00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:30,460 You're the force to eat that one, right? 638 00:27:30,460 --> 00:27:32,020 She liked everything it represented 639 00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:34,220 because it sounded good. 640 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:36,220 And Adam's like, hey man, 641 00:27:36,220 --> 00:27:37,380 you didn't die when you ate it. 642 00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:38,220 So I'll have some too. 643 00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:39,060 I want that. 644 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:40,100 That sounds really good. 645 00:27:41,980 --> 00:27:43,580 He doesn't tempt us with evil. 646 00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:44,860 He tempts us with good. 647 00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:46,860 And that's why discernment is, 648 00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:49,020 I believe is such an important step 649 00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:50,540 and that's why being in the word, 650 00:27:50,540 --> 00:27:51,500 oh, be in the word. 651 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:53,220 Cause if you don't know, you don't know. 652 00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:54,220 Yeah. 653 00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:55,980 You could be told 90% the truth 654 00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:57,500 and he'll slip in that 10% line. 655 00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:59,260 You won't know because you heard all the truth 656 00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:01,020 and you were satisfied. 657 00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:04,180 And then you can combat that like Jesus did 658 00:28:04,180 --> 00:28:05,180 with more of the word. 659 00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:06,820 It's like, no, no, it says, 660 00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:08,100 and you don't even need to know the verse. 661 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:09,100 Exactly. 662 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:10,180 The so-called address. 663 00:28:10,180 --> 00:28:12,780 As long as you know it in your heart, what it says, 664 00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:14,740 you can look up what verse it is later. 665 00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:16,820 Was there any pivotal prayers during that time 666 00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:18,420 that you like really leaned into 667 00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:20,380 or prayed more than any other? 668 00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:24,180 Honestly, when I think back to that time, 669 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:28,620 it was the plea for wisdom is what stuck out for me. 670 00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:29,460 Yeah. 671 00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:31,260 Because I know that's what he answered. 672 00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:32,100 Yeah. 673 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:33,980 So just praying for wisdom 674 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:36,020 and also spiritual protection as well 675 00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:38,380 because I did end up going through 676 00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:41,540 some spiritual warfare after the fact. 677 00:28:41,540 --> 00:28:43,620 And I didn't even know what was really going on. 678 00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:44,860 I didn't know what was happening to me. 679 00:28:44,860 --> 00:28:47,900 So yeah, also praying for spiritual protection. 680 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:48,740 Yeah. 681 00:28:48,740 --> 00:28:51,620 So what did that spiritual warfare look like elsewhere? 682 00:28:51,620 --> 00:28:52,460 If you want to share. 683 00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:54,340 It's kind of crazy. 684 00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:55,700 Yeah, yeah, of course. 685 00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:59,140 I'm not really sure if it was because I was in the clinic 686 00:28:59,140 --> 00:29:00,620 and just like all the dark practices 687 00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:03,940 if I had gone through the treatment or what it was. 688 00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:06,420 But I did go through about four days 689 00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:11,220 of just very, very intense spiritual warfare 690 00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:14,460 where it looked like I was just very paranoid. 691 00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:18,780 I could tell that like something was there with me. 692 00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:22,700 Like I was terrified to drive and be in like a confined space. 693 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:23,540 Yeah. 694 00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:25,820 Like driving home was terrible 695 00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:27,940 because it was already dark outside. 696 00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:30,580 And, you know, oh, now's another thing. 697 00:29:30,580 --> 00:29:32,460 It was physically dark. 698 00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:36,020 Like if I went outside and it was, you know, the sun was out. 699 00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:37,820 It was almost like I was wearing sunglasses. 700 00:29:37,820 --> 00:29:40,500 It's something like I can't even describe it. 701 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:42,500 But I like I said, I didn't know what was happening. 702 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:45,500 I was just thinking, oh, maybe I'm just under a man's stress. 703 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,300 And, you know, I'm kind of, you know, 704 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:50,780 dealing with a hard time right now. 705 00:29:50,780 --> 00:29:53,820 But then I realized I was like, oh, dummy, you're being afflicted. 706 00:29:53,820 --> 00:29:55,860 Like you're going through spiritual warfare, 707 00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:58,460 like very thick spiritual warfare. 708 00:29:58,460 --> 00:30:03,500 And, you know, going back to the prayer, then I remember 709 00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:07,620 I was on a walk and I thought, oh, I prayed for wisdom 710 00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:10,340 and forgot to, you know, lift the veil. 711 00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:14,460 And it's like he really did because at that point, 712 00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:17,380 I was able to see the world for what it really was. 713 00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:20,340 Like we hear, oh, you know, we're in a fallen world. 714 00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:23,940 But then I recognized I was like, no, he meant it. 715 00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:25,900 We really are in a fallen world. 716 00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:28,780 And I was just seeing the tip of the iceberg. 717 00:30:28,780 --> 00:30:30,620 Everywhere. 718 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:32,100 You cannot miss it. 719 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:33,900 There is no subtlety to it. 720 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:35,460 Exactly. Yeah. 721 00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:38,020 Yeah. So it was almost like, OK, you want to see the truth. 722 00:30:38,020 --> 00:30:41,060 Like this here's some of the truth, you know. 723 00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:45,460 And, you know, because if I were to see really how evil everything was, 724 00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:46,980 it's like I probably wouldn't want to get out of it. 725 00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:48,100 It would just cripple me, right? 726 00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:51,220 But it's like those glasses that you put on and it reveals the truth. 727 00:30:51,220 --> 00:30:52,940 Was it a movie or just a cartoon? 728 00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:56,540 There was a movie like that a long time ago with Rowdy Roddy Piper. 729 00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:01,780 Yeah, it's like the scary stuff that when he sees when he puts these glasses on, 730 00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:03,260 he's like, what? 731 00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:05,020 And people are walking around because they don't see it 732 00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:06,620 and they don't think anything of it. 733 00:31:06,620 --> 00:31:08,300 It's because they're OK with it. 734 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:11,500 You know, we live in a society where people are taught to love themselves 735 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:16,100 above all others, where to help somebody else is to be the most extreme 736 00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:16,940 character they can give. 737 00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:19,060 And they only have to do it once or twice a year. 738 00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:22,580 It's not a requirement, but, you know, sometimes they feel obligated. 739 00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:25,820 We all eat lies when our hearts are hungry. 740 00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:28,420 And God created us as spiritual beings. 741 00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:32,620 And if we do not lean into his spirit, we are going to lean into a different one. 742 00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:35,620 Just because that's how he made us. 743 00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:39,340 For relationship as spiritual beings, and he chooses us. 744 00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:41,860 And we just need to choose him back. 745 00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:45,780 But we don't all the time because of weird ways. 746 00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:50,660 Kundalini Scientology, you know, there's so many different outlets 747 00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:54,020 that we're trying to figure out, like, well, if it's not God, then it might be this. 748 00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:55,780 And the demons are all too happy. 749 00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:57,020 But yeah, that's it. It's this. 750 00:31:57,020 --> 00:31:58,900 That's exactly right. You're right. You're at home now. 751 00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:04,140 Yeah, anything to get you to settle for the crumbs of this world. 752 00:32:04,820 --> 00:32:06,140 That is what they want. 753 00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:10,420 Yeah. And it's just spiritual blindness, too, of it all. 754 00:32:10,820 --> 00:32:13,820 And it's like people want to be spiritually blind. 755 00:32:13,820 --> 00:32:17,340 Sometimes I think there's comfortability in, you know, just. 756 00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:22,300 Not swallowing the hard pills of how wicked the world really is. 757 00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:25,140 It's almost easier to not see the truth. 758 00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:28,140 It's like we're ashamed without the truth. 759 00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:31,340 We're ashamed without Jesus of being called out on our nonsense. 760 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:33,900 And that we're afraid of Jesus is in our life. 761 00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:36,660 He's going to call us on our nonsense and we're going to hate ourselves. 762 00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:38,060 And that's not it at all. 763 00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:40,260 Like it's like he doesn't call us out of their nonsense. 764 00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:43,180 He doesn't condemn us on it. He just forgives us of our nonsense. 765 00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:46,500 And he says, hey, I got a better way if you want to live nonsense free. 766 00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:51,660 Yes, I so wish people understood the character of God 767 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:54,620 and just his love and his mercy and grace. 768 00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:56,940 I so wish people understood that promise. 769 00:32:56,940 --> 00:32:57,940 Yeah. 770 00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:01,020 So let me ask you this. 771 00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:05,940 If you had to describe this experience in one sense as a testimony to God's power, 772 00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:07,500 what would you say, Emily? 773 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:12,660 I would say this is a reflection of God's mercy and truth. 774 00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:18,220 It reminds me of Psalm 81 where he talks about mercy and truth are brought together. 775 00:33:18,820 --> 00:33:22,780 And, you know, I recognize so much 776 00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:26,700 the grace that God showed me during this experience. 777 00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:30,420 Hmm. I love that. 778 00:33:30,420 --> 00:33:32,740 Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm so glad. 779 00:33:32,740 --> 00:33:34,820 I just said, yeah, like. 780 00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:38,060 You don't need to apologize. 781 00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:38,900 No, I'm sorry. 782 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,300 Like every time I think about like it's OK. 783 00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:46,820 I get it. When the Holy Spirit fills me up, I just we have a box of tissues here. 784 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,260 We are prepared because it happens every episode. 785 00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:52,940 But he's there. You can just feel it. 786 00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:57,140 Yeah. And I kind of understand, you know, 787 00:33:57,740 --> 00:34:01,300 how God has used me in this because, like, I know, 788 00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:05,940 like I have no choice to glorify God because it could have gone either way, you know? 789 00:34:06,140 --> 00:34:11,100 And it was just through his mercy that he really showed me grace and was like 790 00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:14,540 and he just interrupted the busy life and 791 00:34:14,540 --> 00:34:18,940 and just led me to the correct path and it could not have been me. 792 00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:20,700 I know that 100 percent. 793 00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:24,540 So just recognizing, you know, how loving he is 794 00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:26,860 and pulling me out of deception. 795 00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:29,700 I'm grateful for every single day. 796 00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:35,020 I'm thinking of Psalm 139, verse 17 and 18. 797 00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:39,260 It says, how precious also are thy thoughts on to me, oh God, 798 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:41,420 how great is the sum of them? 799 00:34:41,420 --> 00:34:44,940 If I should count them, they are more number than the sand. 800 00:34:45,340 --> 00:34:47,580 When I awake, I am still with thee. 801 00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:52,940 This is the same God for everybody, not just the writer of Psalm 139. 802 00:34:53,580 --> 00:34:55,340 This is the same God that you are precious 803 00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:59,340 and every thought he has, you're precious to him. 804 00:34:59,820 --> 00:35:02,140 And yet you did something dumb, precious to him. 805 00:35:02,620 --> 00:35:04,780 Yep, you did something right, precious to him. 806 00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:05,980 It's not about what we do. 807 00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:08,780 It's about who we put our faith in, who we want a relationship with. 808 00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:11,980 And when we want him, when we have that relationship with his son, 809 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,540 when we declare him as our Lord and Savior, 810 00:35:14,940 --> 00:35:17,820 we often find ourselves not wanting to do those things 811 00:35:17,820 --> 00:35:18,940 to take us away from him. 812 00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:21,580 We often, like just naturally, right? 813 00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:24,060 Without even being in the Word, we'll naturally steer away 814 00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:25,980 because we want to be closer to his heart, 815 00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:27,420 which is away from those things. 816 00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:30,780 And being in the Word just helps accelerate that process. 817 00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:33,980 Being near Christians and fellowship helps accelerate that process. 818 00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:37,420 Having quiet time with him helps accelerate that process. 819 00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:39,420 But giving your heart to him is this first step. 820 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:41,420 Amen. 821 00:35:41,420 --> 00:35:43,420 I mean, he's already given his heart to you. 822 00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:47,420 Yeah. 823 00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:55,420 Yeah, and just like everything that I do, it's like you follow God. 824 00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:57,420 It should be out of just gratitude. 825 00:35:57,420 --> 00:36:01,420 Recognizing the state that we were in. 826 00:36:01,420 --> 00:36:03,420 And like he came down on a rescue mission for us. 827 00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:05,420 And he came down on a rescue mission for us. 828 00:36:05,420 --> 00:36:11,420 And you know, people are like, oh, you know, free grace, 829 00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:13,420 you know, it's just a license to sin. 830 00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:17,420 It's like, no, no, no, every, we stay within the parameters 831 00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:21,420 out of just gratitude from the God who is saved us. 832 00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:23,420 Yes. 833 00:36:23,420 --> 00:36:25,420 We're not looking at ourselves as someone who is free to sin. 834 00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:27,420 We look at ourselves as, yeah, we still sin occasionally. 835 00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:29,420 We try not to. 836 00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:33,420 But when I'm before the court, when I'm judged at the end of it all, 837 00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:35,420 I'm just Jesus who stands on the scale for me. 838 00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:37,420 It's his righteousness that's judged. 839 00:36:37,420 --> 00:36:41,420 And even though I deserve it, he had already taken the punishment for me. 840 00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:45,420 Accepting that will free you for everything. 841 00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:47,420 Amen. 842 00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:51,420 I would love to share the gospel winning script with everybody 843 00:36:51,420 --> 00:36:55,420 before the end of this episode, because that was what hit you. 844 00:36:55,420 --> 00:36:59,420 And maybe it'll, you can take someone else can take it with them. 845 00:36:59,420 --> 00:37:05,420 So it goes, has anyone told you that God loves you and that he has a wonderful plan for your life? 846 00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:07,420 I have a real quick, but important question to ask you. 847 00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:13,420 If you were to die this very second, would you know for sure without a shadow of a doubt that you would go to heaven? 848 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:17,420 Let me quickly share with you what the Holy Bible reads. 849 00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:22,420 We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and for the wages of sin is death. 850 00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:27,420 And the Bible also says that whosoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 851 00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:29,420 And you're a whosoever, right? 852 00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:35,420 Repeat after me, dear Lord Jesus, come into my heart, forgive me of my sins. 853 00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:37,420 I ask to be away from my old life. 854 00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:39,420 My sins are forgiven. 855 00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:41,420 Write my name in the Lamb's book of life. 856 00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:43,420 Today I'm a new person. 857 00:37:43,420 --> 00:37:47,420 If you prayed that we, we are with you. 858 00:37:47,420 --> 00:37:48,420 Amen. 859 00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:53,420 And we ask that you share that with somebody because then maybe they can help you take the next steps. 860 00:37:53,420 --> 00:38:00,420 And then you can find some other believers to help you with the next steps because you don't want to be floundering like my husband did. 861 00:38:00,420 --> 00:38:05,420 And have to totally rely on only God to help disciple him. 862 00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:06,420 Oh yeah. 863 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:14,420 I had no human, no human took me under their wing and disciple me and I never fell away and God literally took the reins himself. 864 00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:15,420 Which is awesome. 865 00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:16,420 A great experience. 866 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:18,420 They recommend nobody have to do that. 867 00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:21,420 But if you do, God is a great, great disciple. 868 00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:22,420 He knows what he's doing. 869 00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:24,420 It's like he's done it a couple of times. 870 00:38:52,420 --> 00:38:57,420 God is always working. 871 00:38:57,420 --> 00:38:58,420 Miracles are real. 872 00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:01,420 And your breakthrough could be just around the corner. 873 00:39:01,420 --> 00:39:02,420 Keep believing. 874 00:39:02,420 --> 00:39:03,420 Keep expecting. 875 00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:06,420 And don't forget to share this with someone who needs hope today. 876 00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:23,420 We'll talk to you next week.