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Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's

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Goodness and modern-day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hankins. Today we have

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with us a special guest. You'll know her as Shayla Gordon-Jesse and I want to, before we get into it,

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I want to thank all our listeners for joining us today. I feel God has something to speak to

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everybody in every episode. So stay tuned to see what he has to say to you and don't forget to

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rate this podcast because it'll help the algorithm know that people are liking it. And now we get

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into it and we'll have Shayla open us up with an opening prayer and then we'll get into it.

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Hey guys, thank you guys so much for having me. Thanks for being here. You are welcome. Okay, Father

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in the name of Jesus. Lord, I just, I thank you so much for the opportunity to gather here in your

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name, to fellowship and Lord, thank you for helping us to use the gifts that you've given us for your

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glory and to advance your kingdom. Thank you Lord for the way that you're using Shelley and Josh and

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the God's Goodness podcast and God, I just ask that whoever is supposed to hear this message, Lord,

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that you will put this directly in their path and that whatever needs to stand out the most to them,

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God, that you will just make that so big in their spirit that they know that the specific

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message is for them. Thank you for your love. Thank you for your faithfulness to us, Lord,

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and I thank you so much for sending Jesus to die for us. Lord, I just ask that you guide our words

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and just let this message be exactly what you want it to be. Jesus, we pray, amen. Amen. Amen.

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For those of you who don't know, Shayla has, she's a very creative person as all of us are in

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God's image and she is an author. She has a podcast and we met through TikTok and the Lord,

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I was watching her videos and the Lord's like, invite her on the podcast. I'm like, okay,

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and we'd never talked before that, but I'm like, hey, do you want to come on? And she's like,

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yeah. And she knows people that you have heard on the podcast before. So check out her podcast,

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we'll put that in the show notes and all the stuff. So where would you like to start, Shayla?

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So God has really put faith, just the significance of faith on my heart. And I think I'd just like

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to start off by saying that if you're a born again believer, then you are a child of God and

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you're in a blood-backed covenant with Him. And those promises that are in the Bible,

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they're there, like no matter what those promises are there, but it's our faith that activates

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God's word to come to pass in our life. We found that a lot. Like when Josh was praying over people

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for healing, it often worked when I was there and my strongest gift is faith and his is healing.

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So he noticed that when they came together, miracles happened. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

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And God really showed me a couple of, well, a few years ago that that was kind of the message

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that he wanted me to share, at least at that time for sure. And it was just that there are so many

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Christians that they pray in and they're praying and they're praying with out that faith-backed prayer.

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And they just, people need to know the significance of faith. And Romans 10, 17,

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faith cometh by hearing, hearing by the word of God. So there's only one way to get faith. It's

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through strengthening it through the word of God, but more people need to know that. I love it.

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So what led you to write the book? So actually several years ago, I was in a relationship that

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was causing me to see myself just not the way that God sees me. And it was hindering my faith.

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And it was really hindering my relationship with God because even whenever I was praying,

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I felt like when I look back, I felt like that whole prayer time just had to do with that relationship

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that I was in. And it's like I couldn't get anything else on my mind. And it was just distracting me

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from what God wanted to do with me through me, distracting me from everything else in life.

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And I knew deep down what I needed to do. I knew that it wasn't good for me. And during that same

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time, that same season, I was also asking God, Lord, show me what I'm supposed to do. I know you

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have something for me because it was like I needed to burst something out. I don't know if that makes

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sense to somebody who hasn't experienced that, but the word faith was there. But it's like I didn't

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know what to do with that. And so I just kept begging God, it felt like daily, Lord, show me what

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to do, show me what to do. And in the rest of my prayer time, it was just about this relationship.

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And I wasn't listening. I was just doing all the talking.

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So I think a lot of people do that. Yeah, yeah, it's to listen. It's a relationship.

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It is. And I was having a one way conversation. And of course, there was no room for him to tell me

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what he wanted me to do. Because I wasn't giving him that room. And it would be like me walking

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up to you and saying, Shelley, tell me about this. I love how you did this. And you know,

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giving you telling you something and then just walking off like, Hey, where did you get that jacket

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and walk away from you? How funny does that sound whenever we think about that being in person?

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And at some point, I mean, this went on for a little while. And finally, like I knew what I

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needed to do. And I knew because I knew deep down that while I was viewing myself in a different

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way than the way that God sees me, that I didn't feel good enough. And even if God were to tell me

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something to do, what that stuff was that he needed me to take, I knew I would feel like I wasn't

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good enough to do it. Because I was tying my identity to these emotions and these feelings that

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I was filling in the relationship that I was in. And finally, I just, it's like I had enough, like

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I couldn't take it any longer. And I just got quiet. And I finally just laid it all out to God.

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And said, I will do whatever you tell me to do in this relationship. Just tell me what to do. And

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of course, he told me what I knew he was going to tell me because I had been blocking that out for

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quite some time. And it took me a minute. And I so waffled back a little bit back and forth. But as

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soon as I surrendered that to him, it was the most freeing. I've never felt that free in my life

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that I can never remember. It was so much weight lifted off of me. And almost immediately, he told

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me exactly what he wanted me to do. And he told me that he wanted me to write a book. And he told

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me that he wanted me to call it the Covenant Woman. And that it was supposed it was going to be about

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helping other women with their faith to know why they need it to help them to understand what hinders

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their faith and their prayer life. And he just gave me step by step from then on out and just stood

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by me the entire time. What stood out to me, what you just said was you didn't feel good enough.

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But if we take a look at the heroes of the Bible, some of them were murderers. They were

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adulterers. And surely you haven't killed anybody. And maybe in spirit, you know, but like physically,

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like literally, you know, and we're not supposed to compare ourselves to each other. However,

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if God can use them, surely He can use us today. Absolutely. Absolutely. And we all have gifts.

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Every single one of us have gifts that God put in us for a reason. And he wants us to use those

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gifts. But what I found, and especially even visiting with other people, other women about this,

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is it's like we don't allow those, that light to shine so, so many people go through this until

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they come. It feels like rock bottom, like because there's some big surrender that has to

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happen very often because it's like coming to the end of ourselves saying, okay, Lord, like,

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I've had enough in this way of life. I don't want to feel like this anymore. I am ready to do

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whatever it is that I need to do to step into that fullness of you and step into that relationship

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deeper with you. And so it's such a hard season. It feels like leading up to that. But once you do,

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my goodness, it just changes the way that you look at everything. And then when you see how he

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takes care of you and that season, it's like, you know that he's got you from here on out. You

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don't have to question that anymore. But needless to say, we forget. So many reminders. Absolutely.

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Absolutely do. My husband is my greatest encourager. I have some other tier leaders in my life. They

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knew who they are. But thank goodness for my husband because like, I'll get down and, you know,

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forget about past wins. And he's like, well, you know, it's not over yet. I mean, how long was

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Abram walking around the wilderness before he even had a son? Or David before he became king,

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like he got the assignment, but today he didn't get to walk it out. I mean, if you're gonna get

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this much about that, I want to remind you that God will wait decades before he gives you the

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fulfillment on the promise. Like, don't do it. Don't think that this is gonna be your timing.

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Oh, that's your biggest mistake. Absolutely. Absolutely. And the older I get, the more

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experiences I go through. I'm sure that every single one of us can attest to this. His timing,

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even though I never understand it when I'm in the midst of something, it never makes sense to me.

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It's not until after we get through that season, that situation. And then we can just look back

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and think, wow, thank you God, that was in your timing and not in mine. Yeah, because we just live

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in this world where we want to rush everything and whenever we step back and think about it,

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really all these different things that we go through. And he uses all of us and it's for his

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glory. And so trying to rush things, it really is just kind of silly when we think about it. It's

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not, I mean, it takes you really have to step back and think about it from his perspective,

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but he's not keeping track of time and calendars and clocks. That's all us.

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And the enemy definitely doesn't want God to let us take a minute and step back and consider,

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right? And that's why he has the tyranny of the urgence, right? So you have all my car

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broke down right before I had to go to work today, you know, and now all of a sudden we're

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praying for God and that timing has to be right now because of what the enemy does in our lives.

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And, you know, if we really lean on what God is teaching us, it doesn't matter what happens at

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the finite hour. What matters is that we come to him through all things at all times and nothing

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on this planet, nothing is really that big a deal considering what awaits us when we leave.

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Absolutely. That could not be more true. If we could just all remember that even in those times

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when we're getting stressed out, even if it's a bigger situation, but, you know, we all experience

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just little things throughout our day, throughout our weeks that just seem like they're a big deal.

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And then, you know, it could be a couple of weeks later and we don't even remember it. If we could

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just keep that in our minds that these things are not going to matter there before too long.

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And really, what does it matter in the end anyways? These little stresses of life, like as long as we

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are giving it to God and we have that faith in him or trusting him, then we don't really need to

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worry about anything anyways. Correct. Just like when he says, approach him like little children.

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What do little children, what does my son or my daughter's when they're really little,

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did they know where food came from? No. No. Did they know what all was involved to make sure

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a roof was over their head and that they had a warm bed? They have no concept of it and that's

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how God wants us to approach him. We don't need to have a concept, we just need to know where needs

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will be met. Oh, I love that so, so much. And you know, he has a way to meet our needs in all

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these different ways and we as humans, we think it has to be in one specific way so often and so

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we'll like pray for that one thing. You know, it's, I know it's because we're human, but that's

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so unnecessary. He's already got it figured out and he has so many different ways that he could

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go and if we'll just allow him to do that, then we'll see those blessings come to pass on our

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life without the added stress on us. For sure. And you know, when you look at kids and they're

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trying to sort things out, sometimes when they're they're struggling to do it on their own, it's

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kind of cute. And it's when they do it too long and you're waiting for them to reach out for help

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and then they start having a tantrum and you're wondering why they still haven't asked. And I

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feel that God looks at it the same way, right? He gets us to be free to make mistakes and he thinks

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it's cute as we think it's cute, but as the mistake quickens into a nightmare, that's when he's

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wondering why it's taking us so long to ask him for help. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's

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something too. I like that you just said that because he will, we have free will. So we don't

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have to go to him. But when we do, it makes things so much better even if we don't see

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something change instantly, that faith that we have in him, that like that's the relief in it.

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But he does we all he gives us our own free will. And I think that's something that all of us have

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to remember too, because I hear often, well, if this is what God wanted, then, you know, I wouldn't

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made this decision. It's like, well, we have that free will to make those decisions, we have to

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invite God into those situations into that season with us and ask him for the direction, ask him

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for the guidance. And he never fails us. His word never fails. It will never return void. And, you

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know, his presence is there always for us. Yes, indeed. I mean, when I first became a Christian,

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I prayed that he would have his way with me to the point where it seemed like I was mindless.

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Right. Like I just wanted to be so enthralled with him that there wasn't a sin left in my life.

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And it didn't end that way. Like I was handing over my free will to say, God, I trust you with it

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all. You run me and he won't do it. And here we are, letting me for decades now, fallen to sin here,

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do sin there, and then run back to him like a scared little kid. And he's always so faithful to me,

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but not once did he did he commandeer me, not once even at my request, did he take over,

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not once did he ever intercede on my behalf physically by manifesting and stopping me from

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doing something dumb. Yes, yes, that's right. I do believe however he has protected me from

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some of my dumb decisions in ways that I haven't seen. And I thank him for the prayers that I

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haven't had to ask. Amen. Amen. I think back to so many different situations. And in the middle

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of it, I don't think I've probably even thought about needing the protection or anything like that.

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But I look back now and I think, Lord, I don't know how you got me through that as safely as you

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did physically, emotionally, in all the different ways, financially, taking care of so many different

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things and protecting so many different. There are all the aspects of my life that,

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and if we just sit back and reflect on that protection that has been there for us, we could just

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sit in awe for days and days just on that. Now you talked about faith, it comes through hearing

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the word and hearing the word of God. And then there are some things that can hold back your

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faith or slow it down and prevent your prayers from feeling meaningful and impactful. You want to

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review some of those things? Yeah, for sure. So like you said, faith comes by hearing, hearing by

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the word of God. And whenever it comes to faith, there are things that can hinder that faith. And

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especially, you know, number one, walking in love because love works by, or faith works by love. And so

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because we live in the world that we live in and Satan is the God of this world, that's something

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that we really have to pay attention to just making sure that we're walking in love. Because if I am

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completely walking out of love on a specific day, you know, my faith's not going to be strong. It's

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not going to be where it needs to be for whether it's the prayers I'm praying, you know, just trying

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to live by faith. And that's what God really put on my heart. And that's why there are certain things

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that are in the book about just different things that hinder your faith that you probably don't

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even know that you're doing. And some of it, maybe we learned it when we were younger. And then,

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you know, for some people, they may have never even learned that. So God was very adamant with

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me about certain things that walking in love for sure, but not holding on to unforgiveness,

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which obviously for holding on to unforgiveness, we're not walking in love.

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Correct. And I think one of the things we miss is not forgiving yourself is just as wicked.

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100%, 100% because even to do God's work, to be, you know, taking those steps toward where

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he's calling us to, if we're, if we have that unforgiveness with ourselves, we're not going

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to make the right decisions and allow him to guide us fully. And faith works by love and love

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doesn't work in an unforgiving heart. And then just holding on to, you know, resentment or getting

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offended easily. That's something that God has had to work on me and obviously the unforgiveness

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part over the last several years. And it's something that I have to, you know, he just

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continues to remind us of those things because of the world that we do live in.

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We are hit with so many different things. And so I think that that is the number one thing I feel

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like to remember when, you know, we're taking those steps towards, towards Jesus and just

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remembering that, that love, like that's, that's our commandment. And if we have an unforgiving

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heart or for being judgmental towards people, you know, that can get rid of the cause of

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forgiveness. And it really hinders our prayer to life. It hinders what God wants to do through us.

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And it can hinder us hearing him and, you know, being guided him.

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It's hard to forgive sometimes. One of the things that my husband had to keep reminding me of

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back in the day was Jesus can only forgive us as much as we forgive those people that

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offend us. Yes. And I, yeah, absolutely. And, you know, that's what the word says. And I,

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I definitely have people in my life that are like, but I can't forgive this person. Like,

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I'm not ready to do that. And I get it. I've been there before and I didn't know that I was there

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because I was like, no, I forgave that person. But then God had to remind me of, it was the

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specific person. This was years ago, but he told me that every single time that I, that that person

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came up in conversation, I was tearing them down, ripping them apart, you know, with my words even.

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And he said, that is not love. And it hit me so hard. And he, I said that, okay, but I thought

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that I did. And I don't know how to let that go completely, which whenever I said that, I realized

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that I hadn't completely forgiven. But he taught me to say it, say it with your mouth. When you

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say it with your mouth, you believe it in your heart. And he told me, just keep saying it, keep

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saying it. If you say it every time you think about person, I forgive that person in the name of Jesus.

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And I know our words are so powerful. They can get in the way and hinder our prayers too. And

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whatever we speak, that's what we believe. And so I think that that's why he took me through,

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like that journey of saying it out loud, confessing it with your mouth, living it in your heart, which

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it kind of comes back to when we asked Jesus into our heart. And if we had to do that, that I was

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like, okay, Lord, that makes sense. And that, I guess, if you call it an exercise, that really

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helped me to forgive and to not hold on to that anymore. That specific.

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I think one of the best tips I can give for somebody, because I've really matured a lot in

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forgiveness through the years, it's understanding that forgiveness is not accepting that what they

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did was okay. It's not saying that if they are a pathological liar, that they're going to all

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of a sudden tell the truth, right? It doesn't mean that. It means that you are going to take

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your foot off their throat. You're going to take your hands off of them, physically, spiritually,

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mentally, right? You are no longer going to occupy your time and harming them with your thoughts.

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That's what forgiveness is. They are still who they are, but you have done away with the punishment

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aspect of that. You've trusted solely into God. And if you see them in heaven, you have to be

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okay with saying, hey, glad you're here. Amen. And whenever it comes down to it, because we all have

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the same purpose of being his disciples and sharing him, we should all, we should want everybody to

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go to heaven. That's what we're here for. Amen. So why, why, how could I hold on to unforgiveness?

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And of course, this is me being on the other side of that, reflecting back, but how could I be so

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unforgiving for something that this person did? And I don't know what that relationship is with

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like God now. And it's none of my business, what that person's relationship is. And all the things

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that I've done and I've repented for, if God can forgive me for everything that I've ever done,

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then how in the world can I hold on to that unforgiveness for someone else too? And

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peace that comes with that, there's nothing like that peace that comes from just letting all that

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unforgiveness and bitterness from you. Like weight is literally lifted off your shoulders.

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Like you can feel a physical manifestation of relief. You are absolutely right about that. And

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it's just like this lighter feeling comes upon you. And then, like you said, you're not occupying

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your mind with those things anymore. And when you hear that person's name, you don't think those

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super negative thoughts anymore, you know, and it does take, it can take time, but

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it changes everything. And like you said, just you can physically feel it.

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And it's beautiful when it's perfected. It is absolutely beautiful. It's, it's, it reaches

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God's own heart. I remember there was a particular instance that seven years of anger at least,

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and I forgave someone, then my wife is still holding on to that anger for like another year.

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And I kept telling her, you know, if I can bear it to have been done to me, you can bear it to

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have been done. And when she finally, because she didn't believe me about how relieved it was. And

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when she finally forgave her, like it was a game changer for her. Like it, it upped everything

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after walk with Christ and everything all at the same time. Like it was a hindrance to that as

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well. But it wasn't a one time thing you have to sometimes forgive over and over and over.

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It's a process. Make yourself believe it. We're getting there. I agree. And I love that you guys

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were able to work together on that. That's, that's such a beautiful thing. Oh, I was so excited.

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I was so free and I just wanted her to feel what I felt. You got it. You got to forgive her. Like

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I'm telling you, this is great. I love that so much. I love that you got to be that example

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to help her through that too. God used you in that way. I think that is so beautiful.

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I have my moments with Jesus.

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In your book about faith and praying about or praying with faith, I mean, obviously you have

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to take, you have to have a little bit of faith when you pray. Otherwise, why would you bother

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talking to God that you had no faith in to start with? Right? So there has to be like a, like a

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crumb of faith. And we know that faith, you know, the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.

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Think of how much more faith you can have when you start a daily talk with God, daily walk with

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God, a daily ritual with God. That's just you and him time. And then that you share with other

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people here and there that you increase your faith. Like my wife said that her faith, her faith is one

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of her spiritual gifts and minus healing and miracles, but not faith. Right? So how does,

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like, how does it show up on the list of things? And like, how does that not, how, you know,

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right? Doesn't make sense to me. And so we would, I would pray for people. And I noticed that,

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like she said, that they had the biggest occurrence of healings when she was in that circle. And,

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and, you know, it put me to get like, Hey, well, you know, we're two, two become one flesh, right?

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So like, she's literally just the other half of this that God sent out the earth to heal.

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And it can't be done without her. It literally could not be done without her, because she's the

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faith aspect of it. And I see, and I don't know how true this is, because I don't know the actual

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statistics, but from every interaction I've had with people at church, it seems that women are

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more geared towards the faith side of it. And men are more geared to the physical side of

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following Christ. And it seems like that's a dynamic or a power dynamic that God has put in

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place so that when he created the institution of marriage that man that it would complete us

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in our spiritual sense as well, not just, you know, this like this manifestation of God wants us

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to be fighting as a solid unit, but there's there's more to it that we don't see.

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I have never thought about that before, but that is so good. Like what a revelation. And when you

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were talking about the two of you guys, the healing happening while you were both there, it made

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perfect sense. Like, of course, put you guys together. How cool is that? And to be able to

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see that healing, but you're both using your spiritual gifts to see that come to pass and

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God's working through you both. That, oh, that is so beautiful. That's why the word says we're all

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parts of the same body and all it needs to work together. Amen. And, you know, just talking about

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the faith aspect, I used to have a lot of people that would say, well, I prayed just a lot of

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friends and say, I prayed, but who knows? I don't know. And I think that's something that God wants

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people to know too. Whenever you pray, you don't have to wonder. I don't know. You don't have to

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think, well, he might have heard me when the stronger you get in your faith, the more you're

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in the word. And like, like you said, Josh, the more that you are spending that quality time with

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him and it's a getting to know him. It's that relationship like you said earlier. And the

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stronger that that gets, the more deeply you know him, of course, but there's no question like,

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maybe he heard me, maybe he didn't hear me. I don't know. We'll see because we don't know what

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the outcome is going to be. We know that we've given him that trust. We've given him whatever

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about issue as a circumstance before us. And, you know, it's all in his hands, his timing. And

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we don't have to question. Maybe he heard us. Maybe he didn't. Right. You know, and we also have to

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be okay with the fact that sometimes his answer is no. Yes. And, you know, just because I prayed,

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it doesn't mean I'm going to have it. Sometimes his answer is no. When Jesus was praying before he

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was handed over to the Romans, he asked three times that the cut be taken from him. Right.

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And then he said, but you are what will be done. Well, clearly God said no.

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That's right. He clearly told his own son no. Because he saw the bigger picture. Right. And

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Jesus was faithful. And that's all we can be is when God says no to us, is we have to remember

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to be faithful. That's right. And Jesus did go through a dark time, but he came out on top.

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And because he did, we all did. And we have to remember he, God knows he has a plan for

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each one of our lives. And like you said, whenever that answer is no, or maybe it's just not right

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now, it's protection. Yes. Protection of our lives, our future. From ourselves. Absolutely.

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Probably more than anything from ourselves. And just thinking to my mind immediately goes to

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relationships. How many, I guess, really hard futures would there have been had specific

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relationships taken place for each one of us, you know, in the past or buying certain things,

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even financially, you know, God has a plan for our lives. And whenever, I think that's,

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I don't think I know, that's one of the most important things about our faith, the most

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significant, or that's why our faith is so significant. Because when we, when we truly

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have that faith in him, even when the answer is no, we know it's for his good, his glory. And we

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know that he always has a good plan. And just like it says in Jeremiah 29 11, that those plans are

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to prosper us, they're not to harm us, they are for good. He never has a bad plan for us. So

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even when the answer is no, and even whenever it feels like that makes things harder right now,

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it'll, it's going to be better up ahead for us, even if we can't see it. And that it's okay that

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we can't see it. It's okay that this timing isn't ours. But that that faith, that's where that comes

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in just knowing that he's got it, regardless. And like you said before, those hard times pass, and we

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barely remember them. So if we are suffering in a moment, we're asking God to relieve that suffering,

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he might know that that suffering is going to be over in three or four days, and we'll never

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remember it again. Right. Or we'll have a memory of it that'll help us walk somebody else through it.

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Exactly. In which case he's even more happy with us. Yes. How many hard seasons, if we, if we all

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look back to those hard seasons, if we were to take the actual time to sit down and write those

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things out, we would be able to see exactly what we learned from those situations and how we have

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helped other people through it with our knowledge and our experience. And that's what we're here

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to help other people. And our testimonies are supposed to be shared to help other people that

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are walking through those tough seasons. You know, that's God working through us to help somebody else.

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It's so beautiful. I really love how gentle God is with us. I love that, even though I'll pray for

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things like, hey, God, crack me open, I'm ready. He's like, no. And he still just takes the layer by

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layer because he does not want to hurt us. Absolutely. And we are so broken from just living on this

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planet with the interactions that we've had up until the moment that we accepted him and started

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changing our attitude. We all have this like crust on us that is he's shuffling off, but it's painful

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if he takes it all off at once. And he won't do that to us. Amen. Amen. He's so faithful. Like you

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said, he's so gentle. Even his convictions are gentle. And he's, it just brings tears in my eyes

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thinking about how much protection we have that's there and how much he loves us. He loves us so

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much. And that's why the answer is no so often. And that's why things are in his timing and not in

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ours. Thank God. I look back and I just thank God for his timing, even though I never understand it

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during those seasons that, God, hurry up, hurry up. Or, you know, tell him something I want and it

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doesn't come to pass. But it's always for our good, always. And it's, he's so faithful. I'm so

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grateful. So grateful for his love and his faithfulness to us. Very good. So do you have any tips for

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the listeners of anything in particular? Well, the number one thing that just came to mind as you

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were saying that is that just a reminder that when we ask Jesus into our hearts, we are asking him

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to be our savior. And he is that. But whenever we start just developing that real relationship

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with him, because we can ask Jesus into our heart and not have a relationship with him.

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Most of us have been there. Yeah, absolutely. Everyone has. And we've all, we've all went back

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and forth and we've all put him on the back burner at times. And he does not want us to feel shameful

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for that. He's just, just like the prodigal son, he's just got his arms open and he's like, come on,

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you know, come with me. Let's go. We invite him in the house, but he can only stay in the clean

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room with the plastic on the front. You can't come upstairs and see the nonsense up there.

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Exactly. He wants to be in all the situations with us. He wants us to lean on him for guidance

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for everything. And if somebody's listening to this and thinking that I've put him on the back

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burner for so long, or I've asked him into my heart and I confess it with my mouth, but I've

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never really lived like that. He's not holding that against you. There's no, there's no shame in

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him. That shame doesn't come from Jesus. That comes from Satan. And I just want to say that

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whenever you do start really developing that relationship with him, start talking to him,

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it's a whole different life. I'm not saying it's going to be an easy life, but it's

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man having his guidance and his protection and just knowing he's there, having that presence

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there and feeling it. It's so that life is so much different than simply saying, why I invited

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him into my heart. I invited him to be the savior of my life. That when he's sorry, he becomes the

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Lord of your life. Oh man, it changes everything. Yeah. I joked about only letting him in the

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clean room, but honestly, when you open the door to him, you just give him the title to the house.

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He has access to every room. Somehow we still think that we're in control, that we are the ones

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that are like, no, Jesus, you can't go in there. You can use this. I tied this up, right? He came

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to us on our sin. He didn't come to us because we had to clean house. He came to us because we

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lived in house and we needed someone to help set it straight. And we couldn't do it on our own.

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And we would have died in this house if it was not for his help. That's right. Oh, that's so true.

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That is so true. And just no matter where we're at in life, some of us are backslidden a little bit,

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some of us are pushing forward, some of us are going back and forth, but he has plans for each

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and every single one of us. And I just put that on my heart to say, he's got a purpose. He's got

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a calling for your life. And he loves you so much. And he just, just step a little bit closer to him

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for whoever's listening to this. He's, there's, like I said, there's no shame. There's no condemnation.

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No matter where you've been, whether it was 15 years ago or 15 minutes ago, he still loves you

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exactly the same. And he's, he's right there with open arms and he knows the mess of our lives.

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And there's not, like you said, Josh, there's nothing we can hide for him. But I mean, he wants

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to come in and help us with all of it. He wants us to tell him. That's what intimacy is. Even

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though he knows, he wants us to be trusting him enough to tell him ourselves. That's right. And

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that's how we build an intimate relation with us. Of course he knows. He just wants to know if we

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trust him to tell him. And being specific when we ask for, you know, when we're talking to him

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about anything in our lives and that fellowship with him, lay it all out there and whatever's

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going on, of course, like you said, he knows it all, but say it, he can't really fix what we don't

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give to him. And so even though he knows what's going on, he needs us to, and to give that to

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him, you know, cast the care on him, allow him to, to work in those messy parts of our lives.

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That's where we need the most help, right? The most guidance, the most leading. And he doesn't

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look at us any different whenever we give him that thing or it's like you said, he sees it all.

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The Holy Spirit reminded me of the listening prayer. So one of the things you can do

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in your quiet time is sit down with a pen and paper and write anything you want, write a question

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to God or whatever or a prayer. And when you're done with that, stop and listen and then write down

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what you hear. And if you think, what's that me or was that God? Well, ask yourself, is it encouraging?

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Does it line up with the word, you know, his character and then just keep writing down the

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conversation. And you might be surprised at the outcome and how close you can get to God

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in the process. Oh, I love that so much. And kind of going back to, is it biblical? You know, if it's

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unbiblical, obviously that didn't come from him, but you know, encouraging, loving, this things do

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come from him. And while you were saying that, I thought of this too, just reminding all of us

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to use scripture when we're praying, you know, for praying for something specific to go find the

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scripture, write that scripture down and really spend time focusing on that scripture. And it

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helps us as even when we're praying for certain things, we're praying for guidance or leading,

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bring the scriptures and that cater to that specific need, that desire. And that helps us

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to build our faith because our faith is strengthened through listening to the word of God. Amen.

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I love this little chat, Shayla. Thank you so much for joining us today. Absolutely. It was a

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pleasure to meet you. It was a pleasure to meet you. I'm just honored that you guys asked me to

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be on here and I definitely enjoyed this and just. Pleasure is all ours. Yeah, we're just going with

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the flow, the Holy Spirit, wherever he leads. I love so much. I love that it's very just laid

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back and doesn't feel too proper, if you will. It feels very we will have. I've never been

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in the years of that, but the Holy Spirit lead everything. I love that. I love what you guys

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are doing. So you have some things coming up that people can look forward to. Do you want to share

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those with the audience? Oh, I do. Actually, I do have a new book being launched. We haven't put

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the name of it out there yet, but the new book will be launched in April of this year. And if

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you guys follow along on any of my social medias, I will be announcing the name of the book soon

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and just some other things that are coming along with that as well. And you have a new

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season of the podcast that's out and you have some guests. I do. I have. Yeah, this is the very

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first season. I've only done two prior seasons and the Lord just had me do solo seasons and

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this time he took me a different direction and I was able to interview women. I believe nine in

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total of just God stories and how how God used these women to help them step into the assignment

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that he has for them. And of course, their testimony there and things that were hindering

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them holding them back and how they just really leaned on God to propel them forward and the calling

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way has for them. Spoiler alert. Some of her guests have been guests on our show and they're in our

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top 10. So, you know, it's going to be good. So tune in to her podcast and her socials. We'll put

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the link in the about section and this has been great. This is good stuff. We have lots to look

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forward to this year and it's going to be good. We don't know what it's going to be, but with God,

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we know it's going to be good. Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's not to think of what it could look like

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because I'll just get disappointed. So, I thoroughly enjoyed this and I just appreciate

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you guys so much for having me on and for everything you guys are doing. The Lord is,

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you can feel the Holy Spirit here on this podcast and I know that it is just inspiring so many people

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and helping so many people. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. If this episode has been a blessing

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to you, we ask that you pass it along to somebody. Don't forget to rate the podcast and if you are

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led to give to help the ministry out, we have some different options in the about section.

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So, check that out and we would also love the prayers because the spiritual warfare is real

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this season. It is very extensive and we just need that extra hedge of protection around us

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and with that, we will talk to you next time.