Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's
Goodness in modern-day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Jellie Hengins. Today we have
with us a special guest, Christine Collins Riley. But before opening prayer, I want to
thank you for taking time out of your day to tune in. I feel the Holy Spirit has something
to say to everybody in every episode. So stay tuned to see what he has to say to you. Christine
and I met in a community called Kingdom Seekers and it is amazing if you want to get to know
the Kingdom better and get revelation and it's just an amazing community. So I'll have you
open us up with an opening prayer, Christine. Alrighty. Oh, thank you Lord Jesus for today.
What a blessing it is to be here in this moment and in this space. Lord, I pray that you would
bless this time. I pray that you'd bless the words that come out of our mouth and may the words
that you put in our hearts to speak, we be bold enough to say. Lord, I thank you for this medium.
I thank you for this group that are here listening and I pray that the blessing that you have for
them will be amazing and it will be an answer to their prayers. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. So now
we get into the heart of the story, Christine. Where would you like to start? Let the listeners
know that we were doing a little conversation. We had a little conversation before the podcast
that she thought we were recording. So we're just going to let the Holy Spirit guide everything.
Yeah, wow. Well, like we were talking about, it was amazing how God has been Jaira for us in
this last season and learning to just let go. And it's amazing how when you finally let go,
God says, oh, you're going to let me drive now. Cool. Now we know where I'm going. I was concerned
that we were going to wind up in a ditch. And I think it's so funny how, you know, that there,
I'm not going to give, I'm not going to say that, but there's that time in our life where we're just
hanging onto the steering wheel so tight and we're trying to drive and we're driving at night without
the lights on and we're just driving off like we are clued in and we know stuff.
And while the King and the God of the cosmos is our Father, he's sitting in the passenger seat
saying, whenever you're ready, I'll drive and I'll turn on the lights and I'll get us where we need
to be. I was sharing with Christine, let me let the listeners know we were sharing with Christine
that we know God as Jaira very intimately as he got us through 27 months and one week of no discernible
income and we didn't lose the house or the utilities and he just just kept showing up in the most
creative ways. I should have written them all down, but I was so busy being unemployed.
And you know, it's so funny in this season, I have started writing down the prayers that I pray
and the mood that I'm in or the emotions I'm feeling at the time. And we're only, what is this,
11 days into January. And here we are seeing answers that came at me in a way that we're like,
but that's not the prayer I prayed, God says no, because I don't really just answer that basic
prayer. I give you above and beyond. Yeah, because I know the heart and I know the need beyond that.
I know the under I have the understanding beyond that. And I know where it's going to come.
He knows the actual need in your prayer, not the need you think you need.
Absolutely, absolutely. Because I have been that person who's prayed for other people
and watched the miraculous happen. And then I turn around and I'm like, but God, what about,
and he says, well, if I can do it for them, I can do it for you.
Indeed. I don't run out of hard time with that. I'm thinking healings for him.
And God says stuff to me like this. He says, I don't run out of resources after I answer that
prayer. He says, the shelves are always stocked in my house. The bank account doesn't go to zero
when I pay somebody else's bills. And if you trust me as Jaira and you call me that, then you have
to be aware that my resources are endless. But sometimes we look at other people and we say,
well, okay, well, God did this or God did that for them. Maybe I shouldn't be praying that prayer.
We're a whole different case. We're a whole different situation. We're a child of his in
a whole different place. Yes, child exactly. You know, that's what it means to be a child of God.
He says to be like these little ones, to be wholly dependent upon him. When I was a little kid,
did I know where my food was coming from? No, dad put it on the table. Did I know where
where any of my comforters come from? No, dad brought it home. Whatever I needed was taken care
of. I never worried for a thing as a child. And that is what God calls us to do to be like children
for him. Don't worry for a thing. Just assume your papa's got it. Yeah, like Matthew says,
if he can take care of the birds, I wouldn't take care of you. He helps you. You're made in his image.
He's in you. Well, if you accepted him into your heart, that's the important part. And he still
works blessings for those who don't. He does. He's still a good father. And you know, I often wonder
when I was younger, I was that kid who was always the why. Why does this happen? Why does that happen?
And not necessarily in a negative way, but I have noticed that when we stop asking why, we stop
asking the really good questions. Because we stop. It's like when you stop, it's like, oh, okay, well,
I'm not, it's not important. You're right. We start accepting it. Yes. And I just, I'm not that person.
So I always have been that why kid. And it was funny because a couple of years ago, my daughter
blessed me with a sweatshirt and it just says why on it. And so she says to me, she says,
she says, you know, I thought that why ended with like four year olds or five year olds?
She says, but with you, it's always a why. Why? Why? Why aren't you doing it this way? Why did you do
it this way? And sometimes I will ask God that same question. Well, why didn't you do it this way?
And I am so blessed to have a God that answers me. And he will show me just a little glimpse as to why.
Like I think a couple of years ago, I asked for a house and I know that's a big ask.
And I asked for a house and I wrote down exactly what I wanted, but I left a few things out.
And a couple of years into living in the house, I said, well, why didn't you do this? God says,
why didn't you ask? And I went, oh, so that's how it goes. He says, yeah, next time ask bigger,
bigger for me. And I'll show you that I am a bigger God than you thought possible.
Yeah. He showed us a studio. We got blessed with a studio in August of 24. So that was on my
list of things in a new rental was an in-house studio. It's funny. He didn't show us that he
showed you. Well, don't you love how that happens? Oh, I know I as the husband in this family, I am
infinitely aware that I am the other half of the sole person here. And I often have to be the brunt
of the things that my mind is doing without me. That that's clearly what this is all the time.
And I just love her. So here we are. And he's here for it. All of it.
So I think that's what happens to us too. Sometimes we have that strong person in our
relationship. There's one that's pretty strong. And then there's the other one that's just standing
and going, did you actually just ask God for that? Because my husband will do that too.
He will like, I will actually write something down and I will lay it before the Lord. As the word
says, you know, lay your plans before the Lord. And so I do that. And my husband will see it like
and I'll do it pretty often. So I'll put it on the dining room table. And I have this salt shaker.
And I'll put it on top of it. And I'll say, okay, God, here's the plan. I'm going to bed. Good night.
And it never fails that every morning I wake up after I put that plan on the table.
God says, well, why don't you add this to it? Why don't you do this thing in this way?
And I'm like, yes, Lord, because my plan was just so so in my head and so in the box.
And here comes God going, why don't you open the box? It's gonna make it a supernatural thing.
Yes. And my father used to say this. He used to say, you know, you can do super.
You know, God, I can't, I can do the natural part. So you do the super part, I'll do the
natural part and it'll be dynamic. And that's what I used to hear when I was a kid.
So my growing up was you do your part and watch what God does. But then when you grow up and you
become the adult and you have to be the one who's making the provision or you think you do
and it doesn't quite come through, you're like, but God, I'm an adult. I'm supposed to be providing.
I'm supposed to do this. God says, my role didn't change. What made you think yours did? You're
still my child. It's still my job to provide. It reminds me of Charles Stanley. He always said,
obey God and leave the consequences to him. And then you just see him show up. So cool.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And then he shows off because he delivers above and beyond what you
were hoping for. And I was hoping for guests for February and like referrals rather as guests.
And I was hoping for one to be like someone who was into like tarot cards or like a witchy kind
of background. And like that kind of past. And he provided me with a guest who has like energy
vampirism. I never heard of that, but I guess it's even darker than a regular witch and I'm like,
oh, so she's like the witchiest ex-witch of all witches. So it was just really cool that he
is just providing. And then this girl's an author of this Bible study for neurodivergent people.
Like if you get easily distracted, it's a Bible study for those people. And I got it for my husband
to see if he can enjoy that because he has that, that issue of easily distracted. But God just
keeps showing up and then I'll share about it in a social media video. So follow along everybody.
See, that's where God, see, we ask and sometimes we, we, what does it say? It says, it says,
if you ask, I'll answer. Ask and you shall receive. It was always my favorite Bible verse.
Ask me for anything in the name of Jesus and it will be yours. Absolutely. And usually it's because
he has like planted the seeds of his will and then you want his will. And then when you pray for that,
of course, he's going to answer. So absolutely. And that's what happens. See, sometimes I think that
we as quote unquote adults think that it's, we have run out of the childlike blessings.
And we're thinking, okay, well, we're adults or the world says we're adults. So if we're adults here,
then God must think we are too. So then we're supposed to do all these things for ourselves.
And nowhere in the Bible, Jesus never said, he never said, well, as an adult, you're on your
own. He says, no, he says, you need to come as little children, childlike faith, that all things
are possible, that anything can be done, that I am not just the God of this moment at your,
when you're five, but I am the God of the moment when you're 55 or 105. And sometimes we forget
that he's able to show up in situations because we have limited him. He hasn't limited himself.
And so we say, oh, yeah, okay, God, you know, I'm not going to ask for this. That seems a little
trivial. It seems a little, you know, that's not important. And God says, I'm the God of the little
things and the big things. I made ants and Mount Everest, you know, I didn't just do one or the
other. I showed up for all of it. And then the whole universe as well that fits in the palm of
his hand and he still holds our hearts and you know, it just blows my mind. Like we think so
relationally to our size and we forget just a grand scope of his whole creation. Yes, yes.
And then when you read that he sits in heaven and is worshiped, you know, all day long by these
angels that just worship all day long, right? And he's still in our, in our space. I have this thing
that I say all the time and I say, he's as close as your next breath, breathe him in. Oh, yes. You
know, because the minute that you just take that deep breath, it's like, Oh, yes, Yahweh.
You know, we exhale and it then it says, you know, in our exhale, it's supposed to be a Yahweh.
Isn't that fabulous? And I just am like, well, even in my breath, I speak your name.
So why is it that I can't get you in my brain? It's because we have little faith and not little
is small, but little is in duration. And so the miracle that he he walked for us the one day
fades in our memories by the next crisis. And we're panicking again and wondering if he can do it
knowing that he can. It's a weird dichotomy that we put ourselves through that because of the lies
of the enemy that constantly berating us at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. See, that's another thing,
too. When we when we listen to the wrong voice, we believe the wrong quote unquote true. And when
we listen to the right voice and we hear the truth, it's a whole different dynamic. We see
things differently and see most of the time, I'll give you a prime example. You wake up Monday
morning and most people are like, Oh, wow, it's Monday. Me on the other hand, I've learned, Oh,
wow, it's Monday. Let's see what we can get into today, God. Because once you see that it's a whole
that we look at things different when we have a whole grasp on God loves you or a tiny grasp on
he's got it and you don't even need to do it. And for me, I'm the type of person that lately,
and I have found this to be so amazing. When I say, Okay, God, you take the wheel, you do the thing,
you fly the plane, you get us there. I realized that not only do I sleep better,
but I don't snap it everybody. And I'm just like, it's on Jesus. I didn't I can't do anything about
it. It's on Jesus. It's in your hands, Jesus, because if I try to carry it, I'm not going to get very far.
I can take a couple of steps. I can be the strong one for about four, five. Okay, that's it. Those
are the steps I'm taking. You do the rest. I love how big God is. I love how he shows up. I love when
he says, Let me be the let me be the one in charge and you just take a break. And surrender has been
like my word of this little season we're in submit surrender. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like how
will show me how to do that. You know, yes, there's a song. I'm quite a bit old now, but
but and the line in the song says, let it go. And sometimes I think that we feel like if we let it go,
we're releasing our ability to have control of something or think that we can make something happen.
Yes. But what we do is if we let it go and God controls the narrative, there are times where
he will let you get the credit. And so I'm like, I think what happens is that we look around and
we're like, but if I, if I let all this go, then how am I going to get recognized? You know, I'm
not going to get seen as the one who paid the bill or did the thing. And God, I need some credit here.
And God goes, look, I'll give you all the credit. Just know that I did it.
And he does always get the glory because all the angels in heaven already knew that he did it.
I think that's fantastic. But I, I've seen him do some great things in this past season, pay bills
and and heal bodies and restore families and pick up pieces of situations that you thought would
never be able to put you back together. So in the, in the fact that, you know, we call him God,
I'm so glad that we also get to call him friend because he's the one that will be right there.
And he'll say, you know what, I understand that you were mad at me yesterday, but I'm going to show
up again today and I'm going to walk with you and not let anything get you. The best part is
because he knows why we were mad. And he comes out as with this understanding heart because he
doesn't blame us. He understands everything that led us to that point our entire life and everything
that led the other person to that point in their entire life that created a conflict,
anyone or lives, and he's not mad at us because of that. He understands that we're broken people.
All that he wants is our heart. That's all that he asked for. That's the only thing he's ever
pursued is our heart. Yes, yes, yes, I love that. I love that. And I'm so grateful that he doesn't
ask me for more than I can give because, you know, there are times we don't even have, we don't have
the energy to even give a yes. You know, we just have to just sit there. And I'm so blessed. Yes,
so blessed that in the times that I have been sitting there and saying, God, you know, it's on
you. You know, and he's ready to say, okay, I got this. And my big God with his big plan, that is,
you know, and I get to be this tiny piece of it. And that's the most amazing thing.
And I'm so blessed about that. So, you know, and, and if we all would look at it as this,
and I'm not a fan of puzzles. So any of you that love puzzles, please don't be mad at me. I'm just
not the puzzle person. We love puzzles. That's what you're done. Interview's over. We used to do
puzzles so much. We used to get a puzzle piece in the interlock. Well, puzzle piece had to.
And so, yeah. Well, when I was little, I, we had a table in our house that always had a puzzle on it.
Always had a puzzle on it. And it used to drive me absolutely crazy because every time somebody
would walk by it, they would try to put a piece of that puzzle together. And one time there was a
puzzle that was put on the table and it was a single ice cream cone with the chocolate and the
vanilla in the middle and then the strawberry on top. You know, this is trauma. I sure remember
this is way too well. Yeah. And so, and the whole background is white. Okay. And I remembered thinking,
you know, as a child, I'm thinking, this is never going to get done. And then I thought,
if one of those pieces of that white was gone, it would ruin the whole puzzle. And it really
was one of those things where I was like, if I take one of these pieces, they'll stop putting
this stupid puzzle together. And that's it'll disappear. But what God showed me many years later
about that story is, is that every single piece not only is important, but if we don't plug in to
be part of the bigger picture, other people are missing out because we didn't put our piece
of the puzzle together. And so God always gives you that piece. And he gives you that. And just,
and look at, look at what you do as just that tiny puzzle piece. Even if it is, even if you are
scared to step into what the assignment is God has for you, it's that big. But look at the major
difference it makes. And I find that so amazing. So, and yes, you talk about trauma, puzzles are
just one of those things people, people are people always say, oh, we're going to go do a puzzle. And
my first reaction is, oh, please don't invite me. But then I realized, you know, they're all, all
these pieces are so valuable. And they are so important. And God says, I just asked you to be
a small piece, not asking you to carry the whole thing. I'm just asking you to be a tiny piece.
Just asking to put a piece in the puzzle. What you refuse to do all your childhood, he's asking
just to do that. Yeah. And see, that's how God showed me who he was through those puzzles.
But I'm blessed. I'm really thankful that in my life, and especially in this last season, and
we're still going through it. But I'm so glad that he is showing me every day that I only have to
make a little effort. And sometimes that little effort is, Lord, you take the wheel today, you do
it all. Because I don't have anything in the natural that I can supply to make it any better.
But your supernatural, your super is going to bless into that natural, whatever the weight of
it is, the tiny piece of that puzzle, or, you know, doing something greater, going to a speaking event,
doing something, whatever it is, whatever I put in, God's going to magnify and bless and turn it into something amazing.
Amen. And I'm just blessed to be part of it.
Blessed to be on the journey.
You don't know what you're going to get, but you know, it's going to be good.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And then when you look back, you're like, oh my gosh,
look at what he did. He said, how it works together.
Well, what is that? What is it when it says, you know, I'll do exceedingly above all you could ask,
think, or imagine. And going back to writing those plans down, I write it down. And God says,
Well, what about this? What about that? And I'm like, wow, I didn't think about that. He says,
yeah, I know I read it last night. I noticed. Here are my notes on your plan. And he doesn't
walk in and tell you that your plan is wrong. He says, let's elevate it to the next level.
Yeah. And that's where I'm like excited that God is God in my life. And he's also my father,
and he's also my friend. And knowing that he's never going to leave me alone, and he's not going to
let me, you know, fall down and get hurt. And he's not going to let any weapon keep forming against
me. Or, you know, and he's not going to let the bad, you know, when my kids were little, they used
to say, I don't want the boogie to get me. And he's not going to let that happen. And I'm so excited
that that is the God that I have in my life. And the father that says, I love you no matter what.
And even when I have a bad day, and I say, you know what, I can do this, I got it.
Did you just stay over there? I got it. God's like, okay, I'll sit right over here in the
lazy boy. And when you are done doing all that, you just let me know and I'll take care of it.
He's a perfect gentle parent. Yes. Right. So he's not going to let us go off and do something
wholly against him without giving us a lot of warning signs and saying, hey, I'm not sure you
want to do that. But as far as the way that we go about our daily life, if we decide, hey, no, no,
I'm a big boy, I'm a big girl, I can do this, pick myself up and walk and tattle and fall and pick
myself up, he'll let us do that all day long. And he is so faithful is that when we're finally
frustrated with our lack of ability, that when we sit there and cry for help, that he is right there
for us, I would be so frustrated. I'm so glad that he is not me, because he continues to do this
pattern with us, just like the whole of Israel in the Old Testament, where they would do some
things for the Lord, then they would sin and then they would have 40 years of just suffering and then
they would raise their hands up, Lord, please help us and he would help them. And then they would
screw it up and then we just get this pattern. It's just like us and our daily lives and kids.
We just want to do it so bad on our own that we forget that he is doing it for us.
Yes, amen. We can't mess his plans up, but we can mess ours up pretty good.
Yes, and you know what? It says in the word that he laughs. And I am sure that he has found my life
comical in ways that I was thinking it was, I was angry or frustrated or hurt and God's laughing.
He's like, honey, stop doing that. Stop stepping into stuff. Stop carrying stuff that's not yours.
You know, and sometimes we think we were doing the right thing or we're doing the thing that
you're doing something that is so fantastic. It's going to be great for God. And God goes,
did I say to do that? I didn't ask you for that. That's not your thing.
Because we start noticing that we're doing this great thing for God and there's pitfalls and
there's stumbling blocks and we can't get it. It's not easy. And I'm at the point in my life
where the first time it gets tough, I sit down and I go, wait a minute, am I picking this up?
Or did God put this on my plate? Did God hand this to me? Or am I just picking it up because I want
to do something that's wonderful for God? How many years of doing it wrong did it take before you
got that wisdom? Oh boy, if I tell you that, I don't want to look foolish. I don't think you would.
I honestly believe that every single person is identical to that. And that's why the elder has
the wisdom. By the time I'm 80, I'd better make very few mistakes. When I'm 20, I could see how
headstrong I am in wanting to do it. No, Lord, I got this. But by 80, I should be humbled as a
humble pie right there. Lord, your will be done. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, when I first, see,
I was blessed. I grew up in a household where it was military and ministry. People are like, wow,
that seems like total opposites. And I used to think, well, they go hand in hand to me.
And so I would see the military side of things where there was order and there was a place for
everything and everything in its place. And then I would see ministry where God would heal people
out of wheelchairs and people would be saved and all of these beautiful giftings that God gives.
And so it seems like you have two different constructs there. And there are. You have
worldly order and then you have God order. And for me, when I would sit there and watch this,
you would think that I would never get it wrong, that I would have great faith, that I would
let God always be in charge. And I didn't. And I got to the point in my life where I looked back
and I was like, when did I lose the letting God do it all? Where in my life, where on the path did
I think that it was a better option for me to try to do it? It was. The enemy does things to your
knee of the urgence. You know, your windshield wiper breaks. And so you have to take care of it
right now. And now you're not going to the Lord because you have an urgent need that you have
to take care of. He just does it with small things that build up over time. Because he's a jerk.
And I can't wait till Jesus casts him into the lake of fire. That'll be wonderful.
And we get buried down by our test of honey as he's bogged into it.
And you know, you're right. You're right. It is the small things. And he says things like,
you know what, you better go take care of that. You better go do that. And you're right. It's not
what now, you know, how do I go? Where's the where's the where's the you in this God? Where is
this? You know, where are you in this situation? And what do you want me to do? You've heard the
expression, there's no rest for the wicked. Well, the enemy is very wicked and he is not resting.
He is constantly harassing us. Yes. Yes. And I'm starting to realize that when you are doing all
of the things your way, he doesn't bother you so much. The minute that you sit down and say,
okay, Jesus, it's on you. And you start seeing, oh, wow, that's, you know, it's like, it's like,
wait, you're trusting in God, but what about this? What about this? Hey, wait a minute.
And you say, no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to deal with you today. I'm going to deal. I'm
going to let Jesus deal with all of my stuff. And that your mindset changes too, because you start
seeing that if God could, I don't know, let's use something, let's use something out of the box.
If God could heal the person that's been in a wheelchair for 25 years, never been able to walk,
been paralyzed. If God can do this, Jesus can heal, then why do I have such a problem asking
him to take care of my headache today? You feel selfish. Right. And the devil goes, oh, it's
just a headache. Don't worry about it. You don't need to take that to God. It's just a headache.
You'll get over it. Take an aspirin. I'd rather the root of the headache be healed and not have to
take another aspirin again. Then have to keep coming back for an aspirin and an aspirin, you see.
And I think that what happens is with us, we turn around and we think, well, it's just a headache,
because that's what we've been told. But Jesus said, I've come to, by His stripes,
all of our issues are healed, all of our diseases, all of our illnesses are healed.
That little bitty headache or the person in the wheelchair that's been paralyzed since birth.
And sometimes we forget to give all that to God. But I say all this to say this,
because when we give it all to Him, when we don't take it back, you live a miraculous life.
And people around you want to know why your life is so beautiful. Why are you,
why are you happy? This is happening all around you. Well, it's not happening to me,
because God's protecting me. And yes, it can happen all the way around me. But by the protection
of God, it's not going to happen to me. And I'm so thankful for that every day. I want to just
tell you guys a really quick story about healing, if I might. Sure. I, about 12,
I'll just my son, I have to figure out how old my son is. About 12 years ago, I was suffering
from horrible migraines. And I suffered with them from the time I was born until 12 years ago.
And like I said, I'd been in church my whole life. I had been in ministries where their complete focus
was just healing. Raised in the Jesus movement, right? Cool. And one of my pastors was actually
in that time period. And so I was like, okay, thank you. Yes, yes, definitely. Thank you, Jesus.
And so I was at church one day and the pastor standing at the pulpit and he said,
he says, I have God's blessing me with this understanding that somebody here in church
today has a violent migrant, violent was the word he used. And I'm sitting there in the second,
in the second row, third seat. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, oh, that poor person,
that poor person, I'm sitting there suffering with a migraine. Let's be real clear. Oh,
that poor person, I know how that feels. Okay. Second week goes by. Pastor gets up and he says,
we're going to pray that people with migraines get healed today. I'm like, oh, yes, that's a great
prayer. Let's pray for people that have migraines that they'll be healed. I'm suffering again with
a migraine. Third week goes by. I'm sitting in church. This time I've got sunglasses on in a dark
room because it's so bad, but I never want to miss a service, right? You never want to miss church,
right? And so I'm sitting there and I'm praising God and the pastor gets up and he says, he says,
we're going to pray that God heal people at the root for the root of their migraine that they will
never have another migraine again. And off to my right was the women's group. They were sitting
all together. They all sit together and the head of the women's group, she leans over and she says,
he's talking to you. That's about time someone told you for three weeks for three weeks. You know,
I'm sitting here praying for other people. Oh Lord, yes, I pray that this person be healed in the
mighty name of Jesus. Hello, hello. Do I need to say this to you? Well, finally, I needed a verbal
confirmation, right? So this woman looks at me and she says, he's talking to you and the whole
congregation heard her say it. So I stood up and I walked to the back and I had this lady
pray for me. She says, what am I praying for? What are we asking Jesus for today? And I said,
I'm the person who he's been talking about for three weeks about the migraines. And she looks at me
and she says, oh, wow, I'm glad you finally showed up. I was like, wow, okay, Jesus, that's some nice
confirmation. And we're praying. And all of a sudden I feel what feels like sludge or oil.
And it's like literally falling coming out of my head down my body out my fingers. And I look down
and I can actually see. Usually when I had a migraine, I couldn't see. It was very hard for me to see.
And I look down and it looks like a pile or a pool of black liquid on the floor. And I look at
this woman and I said, do you see that? And she says, what am I looking at? And I said, the pile of
black fludge on the floor. And she says, no. And all of a sudden I just stepped to the left.
And I literally take my feet out of that fludge, right? And it's sitting there. I can still see it.
Okay. And this is how God does things for me. He wants me to be able to see what he's doing.
And so she prays for me. And instantly I get healed. The headache is gone. And I'm a person,
now mind you, I was a person who was taking about 30 pills a day, aspirin, ibuprofen, whatever,
motrin, whatever it was. 40 pills a day. That is not good for your liver or kidneys.
Yes. And it could have done some severe damage. Guess what? Thank you, Jesus. It didn't.
But I would take medication just to be, you know, just to function. It wouldn't get rid of the headache.
I was the person going to the emergency room and having shots in the back of my neck.
And it wouldn't stop. I couldn't figure it out. Okay. So I got healed completely that day. That
was my birthday, actually. Wow. 12 years ago. What a good present. Yes, God does. Here's your
present. I love you. Well, the next morning I'm sitting on the bed and I'm sitting on the edge
of the bed and my husband is getting ready for work. And it was kind of a routine thing. I would
sit on the edge of the bed and I'd put my head in my hands because I would probably have had a migraine.
But I'm praying for him, dear heavenly Father. Thank you. I pray you bless my husband today
at his job. May he be favored, whatever it was, whatever I would say. My husband sits down beside
me, puts his arm around me and he says, oh, he said, you have one of those horrible headaches.
And I took my head out of my hands and I said, no, I don't. And he looked at me and he said,
really? And I said, yeah, I got healed yesterday, remember? And he says, oh, I thought that was
just for the moment. And I said, no, no, no, I'm running with this. I am healed. I am never going
to have another headache as long as I live. And I didn't say migraine. I said headache. So I, nothing.
And let me tell you the praise report. In 12 years, I have not taken an aspirin for a headache.
I have had my liver tested over and over and over again. There is no sign of damage.
Oh, yes. I don't have, I don't have stomach ulcers from taking all the aspirin that I took.
Because God said, you know what, if I'm going to heal that, that I should heal the other stuff,
too, so that there are no problems so that you can brag on me that I healed you completely at the
root. That's my, and see, and that's my, that's where God shows up for me. So when I tell you
that he is my gyra and my Rafa and my Matsuda, when I tell you God is everything to me,
I'm not leaving anything out. I'm not leaving anything in my hand and saying, I'll take care of
this. I'm saying God is my all, my everything. And I wouldn't trust myself to pay my bills,
but I would definitely trust my God. I don't trust myself to heal this body, but I trust my God.
Mm-hmm. Amen. That is my big God, Mom. Hallelujah. I love it. That's amazing.
That's so cool. When I, I was healed of 17 years of chronic neck and shoulder pain by the power of
prayer and the laying in hands, and I was in tears that last day. I was like, I can't take it. You
have to pray for me. And I was on muscle relaxers, painkillers, all this stuff. And when he took it
away, it was, it was nuts because like I got this, Josh was like, how do you feel? And I was like,
Oh, I got a headache. And he's like, we're going to pray again. And then we prayed again, and the
headache moved. And he's like, all right, we're going to pray again. And then it moved again. And
I'm like, this is nuts. I never had a headache move from different parts of my head from her neck
to the very top of her head, slowly moving up to the very top of her head and the front. And then
it was, and then it was gone. And the pain was gone and have been healed ever since that was 2015.
Like the spirit of infirmity was in her deep, you know, like the spirit of infirmity was in you
deep. And Jesus just liquefied it down the floor beneath you. Right. And, and, you know, just because
we can't, we can't share the same house with the Holy Spirit with anything else demonic doesn't mean
that they can't affect our flesh adversely all the time at will. Right. Because of our sin, we
give them legal right to do all sorts of harm to us that we need to keep running the pop up for.
Yep. And, you know, even though we don't engage in practices that increase these problems,
that doesn't mean that they aren't there from what before we introduced ourselves to Jesus.
Right. Doesn't mean before we allowed the Holy Spirit coming, we didn't have all this junk inhabit
us. Right. Right. And, you know, you know, what's so funny about about us is that we turn around and
we, I always tell people, I'm like, stop praying the small prayers. You know, you have big issues.
Stop praying the small prayers. And I mean, I don't, I don't despise small beginnings, but at this
stage in the game, be bold. Amen. And when people come at me and they say, they think, you know,
you got healed. I want it to, I'm like, get over here. Let's pray a big prayer. Mm hmm. You know,
receive it. And I'm one of these people that it's like, I will, I will stop in the middle of a grocery
store, a big box store. I've even stopped, I've even had my husband stop the car and I've gotten
out of the car and gone and prayed for the homeless guy on the corner. I believe it. And then when
we could, and then when we couldn't find the homeless guy for two weeks or three weeks,
I'm like, where did he go? And I see him someplace else. And I'm like, well, what happened? He turns
around and he says, after you prayed for me, this lady came up and she said, I have a room that you
could have until you can get on your feet. And he said, he says, I never thought to pray for a roof
over my head. I was praying daily that I had just a little bit of food to eat. And I'm like, no,
you got to start praying big prayers. That big prayer for me was that I couldn't function. I
couldn't do what God was asking me to do. I couldn't fulfill the assignment because I couldn't see.
I couldn't function during the day. This headache was so bad. I had daily headaches for probably
30 years. Wow. And it was so bad that I couldn't move. I couldn't see. I had five sets of curtains
on my windows. My children lived in complete darkness. They probably have the widest skin.
I do. I do. And you know what is so fabulous about it? I walk out now in the sun and there are days
I don't even put sunglasses on. I was walking around my house five sets of curtains and sunglasses
every day for 30 years. And I'm going to tell you what, when God broke that off of me, I was like,
wow. Let me see what the world looks like without this. It's like a cliche movie vampire that just
wants to see the sunrise one last time. And you know what? No, it'll kill them. Yeah. And you know,
and I'm so blessed that God took that from me. That's no longer a moniker that I wear. Now I
turned around and I walk around and I go, yeah, you know what? Somebody let's pray for healing.
And they're like, well, what qualifies you? Well, I got healed of migrants.
What an awesome gift. Like there's so many ways you could look at it when I just made that little
funny inference, but like he literally gave you a sunrise and a sunset again. He gave you something
to look at again. He gave you a park in the middle of the day. Like he gave you so much freedom.
Like it's not just a release of pain, but there's so much life he gave you with that.
Yes. And the thing too about Jesus is, is that he doesn't just kind of fix one thing.
It's not a kind of fix. It's a complete fix. See, for me, I walk in a complete healing every day.
I get up in the morning and I'm like, thank you, Jesus, that I am healed, whole and complete.
And what the word says about me over me and through me will be today. And I stand in that.
I stand in that because if I turned around one day and I was like, I don't feel good, then I give
the enemy that little door to open and come back in. I don't want you messing with me. I got stuff to
do. Amen. I have heard that from my wife on countless times. I'm busy today. I don't have time for you.
Yeah. He got the norovirus and I didn't hear about that. And then I looked it up and
and he got it. And he would think the rest of the family would get it, but I put that
prayer request out to my friends in Facebook and he woke up and I said, I had the people praying
the blood of Jesus over you. And people were praying that the rest of the family wouldn't get sick
and praise Lord, we don't have time for that. And here I was when I was hugging the toilet. I was
literally praising God because even though it was violent and painful, at no point was it the
volume so much that I couldn't breathe. And that's, I think, the worst part. And so therefore, I was
in pain, but I can take pain. And so I was just so grateful. I remember, I remember being on a cold
bathroom floor because I cramped my back muscle and all of this and boy, that really hurt. I don't
know if you've ever had like a cramped toe. Imagine the long muscle in your back doing that.
Like I was, I was twitching like I got tased. And I remember, I remember lying on the floor and I
just remember thanking God and praising him that it wasn't as bad. And I don't know, like,
I'm looking back down like I can't believe that I was thanking him that it wasn't bad because it was,
it was horrible. Nathan said it sounded like you were dying in there. Man, it was horrid.
And I don't, I mean, it was a good, it was a, it was the right spiritual attitude I had. And
looking back, I, my flesh is like, I don't know why you were praising him because you were, you
like, I'm still sore. Yeah. And my spirit's like, I still praise him. I'm still praising this morning.
Like, let's do this. I'm so excited about that. Another praise report is he didn't cough at all
this, this, this podcast. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I still got some coffee going on. Yeah. Not this time.
Let's see. There's a, there's a God moment stepping up, stepping in. And when we step up and step in,
God shows off. And he says, he says, all I asked you to do, just take the one step of the staircase.
You don't have to take the whole staircase today. Just take the step. And I'm that person who,
I'm like, one step, I could, I could do like, I could do 17 today. And God says, yeah, you probably
could, but you're going to miss the blessings. If you do it 17 in a day, I need you to do it one a day
and receive the blessing and do the next step and receive the blessings. So that's my, that's my
nickels worth of free advice. Take the step and take it a step at a time. Receive the blessings.
Hmm. Well, this has been so good, Christine. I love our conversation. And it's just so good.
Well, thank you for letting me come on and chat with you. I love that. Anytime. Absolutely. I love
it. I love praising God. I love, I love people who have stories about how good God is. Anytime,
you have clearly have a plethora of stories that embody the goodness of God. And so, you know,
I could see why my wife enjoys talking with you. Well, I am so blessed to be part of your,
your outreach and, and be part of just, I'm that person who would, will stand on the street corner
and just praise God and be excited. And I just, I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. And
I can't wait. And, you know, I would love to have another opportunity if, if the opportunity ever
arose, I would love to come and chat with you all again. Hmm. Awesome. Very cool. Well, if this
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