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Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's

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Goodness in modern-day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Jellie Hengins. Today we have

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with us a special guest, Christine Collins Riley. But before opening prayer, I want to

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thank you for taking time out of your day to tune in. I feel the Holy Spirit has something

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to say to everybody in every episode. So stay tuned to see what he has to say to you. Christine

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and I met in a community called Kingdom Seekers and it is amazing if you want to get to know

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the Kingdom better and get revelation and it's just an amazing community. So I'll have you

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open us up with an opening prayer, Christine. Alrighty. Oh, thank you Lord Jesus for today.

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What a blessing it is to be here in this moment and in this space. Lord, I pray that you would

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bless this time. I pray that you'd bless the words that come out of our mouth and may the words

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that you put in our hearts to speak, we be bold enough to say. Lord, I thank you for this medium.

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I thank you for this group that are here listening and I pray that the blessing that you have for

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them will be amazing and it will be an answer to their prayers. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. So now

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we get into the heart of the story, Christine. Where would you like to start? Let the listeners

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know that we were doing a little conversation. We had a little conversation before the podcast

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that she thought we were recording. So we're just going to let the Holy Spirit guide everything.

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Yeah, wow. Well, like we were talking about, it was amazing how God has been Jaira for us in

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this last season and learning to just let go. And it's amazing how when you finally let go,

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God says, oh, you're going to let me drive now. Cool. Now we know where I'm going. I was concerned

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that we were going to wind up in a ditch. And I think it's so funny how, you know, that there,

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I'm not going to give, I'm not going to say that, but there's that time in our life where we're just

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hanging onto the steering wheel so tight and we're trying to drive and we're driving at night without

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the lights on and we're just driving off like we are clued in and we know stuff.

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And while the King and the God of the cosmos is our Father, he's sitting in the passenger seat

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saying, whenever you're ready, I'll drive and I'll turn on the lights and I'll get us where we need

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to be. I was sharing with Christine, let me let the listeners know we were sharing with Christine

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that we know God as Jaira very intimately as he got us through 27 months and one week of no discernible

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income and we didn't lose the house or the utilities and he just just kept showing up in the most

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creative ways. I should have written them all down, but I was so busy being unemployed.

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And you know, it's so funny in this season, I have started writing down the prayers that I pray

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and the mood that I'm in or the emotions I'm feeling at the time. And we're only, what is this,

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11 days into January. And here we are seeing answers that came at me in a way that we're like,

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but that's not the prayer I prayed, God says no, because I don't really just answer that basic

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prayer. I give you above and beyond. Yeah, because I know the heart and I know the need beyond that.

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I know the under I have the understanding beyond that. And I know where it's going to come.

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He knows the actual need in your prayer, not the need you think you need.

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Absolutely, absolutely. Because I have been that person who's prayed for other people

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and watched the miraculous happen. And then I turn around and I'm like, but God, what about,

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and he says, well, if I can do it for them, I can do it for you.

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Indeed. I don't run out of hard time with that. I'm thinking healings for him.

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And God says stuff to me like this. He says, I don't run out of resources after I answer that

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prayer. He says, the shelves are always stocked in my house. The bank account doesn't go to zero

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when I pay somebody else's bills. And if you trust me as Jaira and you call me that, then you have

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to be aware that my resources are endless. But sometimes we look at other people and we say,

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well, okay, well, God did this or God did that for them. Maybe I shouldn't be praying that prayer.

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We're a whole different case. We're a whole different situation. We're a child of his in

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a whole different place. Yes, child exactly. You know, that's what it means to be a child of God.

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He says to be like these little ones, to be wholly dependent upon him. When I was a little kid,

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did I know where my food was coming from? No, dad put it on the table. Did I know where

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where any of my comforters come from? No, dad brought it home. Whatever I needed was taken care

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of. I never worried for a thing as a child. And that is what God calls us to do to be like children

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for him. Don't worry for a thing. Just assume your papa's got it. Yeah, like Matthew says,

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if he can take care of the birds, I wouldn't take care of you. He helps you. You're made in his image.

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He's in you. Well, if you accepted him into your heart, that's the important part. And he still

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works blessings for those who don't. He does. He's still a good father. And you know, I often wonder

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when I was younger, I was that kid who was always the why. Why does this happen? Why does that happen?

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And not necessarily in a negative way, but I have noticed that when we stop asking why, we stop

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asking the really good questions. Because we stop. It's like when you stop, it's like, oh, okay, well,

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I'm not, it's not important. You're right. We start accepting it. Yes. And I just, I'm not that person.

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So I always have been that why kid. And it was funny because a couple of years ago, my daughter

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blessed me with a sweatshirt and it just says why on it. And so she says to me, she says,

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she says, you know, I thought that why ended with like four year olds or five year olds?

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She says, but with you, it's always a why. Why? Why? Why aren't you doing it this way? Why did you do

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it this way? And sometimes I will ask God that same question. Well, why didn't you do it this way?

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And I am so blessed to have a God that answers me. And he will show me just a little glimpse as to why.

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Like I think a couple of years ago, I asked for a house and I know that's a big ask.

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And I asked for a house and I wrote down exactly what I wanted, but I left a few things out.

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And a couple of years into living in the house, I said, well, why didn't you do this? God says,

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why didn't you ask? And I went, oh, so that's how it goes. He says, yeah, next time ask bigger,

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bigger for me. And I'll show you that I am a bigger God than you thought possible.

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Yeah. He showed us a studio. We got blessed with a studio in August of 24. So that was on my

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list of things in a new rental was an in-house studio. It's funny. He didn't show us that he

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showed you. Well, don't you love how that happens? Oh, I know I as the husband in this family, I am

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infinitely aware that I am the other half of the sole person here. And I often have to be the brunt

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of the things that my mind is doing without me. That that's clearly what this is all the time.

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And I just love her. So here we are. And he's here for it. All of it.

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So I think that's what happens to us too. Sometimes we have that strong person in our

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relationship. There's one that's pretty strong. And then there's the other one that's just standing

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and going, did you actually just ask God for that? Because my husband will do that too.

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He will like, I will actually write something down and I will lay it before the Lord. As the word

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says, you know, lay your plans before the Lord. And so I do that. And my husband will see it like

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and I'll do it pretty often. So I'll put it on the dining room table. And I have this salt shaker.

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And I'll put it on top of it. And I'll say, okay, God, here's the plan. I'm going to bed. Good night.

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And it never fails that every morning I wake up after I put that plan on the table.

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God says, well, why don't you add this to it? Why don't you do this thing in this way?

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And I'm like, yes, Lord, because my plan was just so so in my head and so in the box.

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And here comes God going, why don't you open the box? It's gonna make it a supernatural thing.

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Yes. And my father used to say this. He used to say, you know, you can do super.

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You know, God, I can't, I can do the natural part. So you do the super part, I'll do the

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natural part and it'll be dynamic. And that's what I used to hear when I was a kid.

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So my growing up was you do your part and watch what God does. But then when you grow up and you

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become the adult and you have to be the one who's making the provision or you think you do

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and it doesn't quite come through, you're like, but God, I'm an adult. I'm supposed to be providing.

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I'm supposed to do this. God says, my role didn't change. What made you think yours did? You're

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still my child. It's still my job to provide. It reminds me of Charles Stanley. He always said,

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obey God and leave the consequences to him. And then you just see him show up. So cool.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And then he shows off because he delivers above and beyond what you

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were hoping for. And I was hoping for guests for February and like referrals rather as guests.

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And I was hoping for one to be like someone who was into like tarot cards or like a witchy kind

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of background. And like that kind of past. And he provided me with a guest who has like energy

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vampirism. I never heard of that, but I guess it's even darker than a regular witch and I'm like,

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oh, so she's like the witchiest ex-witch of all witches. So it was just really cool that he

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is just providing. And then this girl's an author of this Bible study for neurodivergent people.

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Like if you get easily distracted, it's a Bible study for those people. And I got it for my husband

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to see if he can enjoy that because he has that, that issue of easily distracted. But God just

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keeps showing up and then I'll share about it in a social media video. So follow along everybody.

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See, that's where God, see, we ask and sometimes we, we, what does it say? It says, it says,

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if you ask, I'll answer. Ask and you shall receive. It was always my favorite Bible verse.

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Ask me for anything in the name of Jesus and it will be yours. Absolutely. And usually it's because

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he has like planted the seeds of his will and then you want his will. And then when you pray for that,

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of course, he's going to answer. So absolutely. And that's what happens. See, sometimes I think that

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we as quote unquote adults think that it's, we have run out of the childlike blessings.

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And we're thinking, okay, well, we're adults or the world says we're adults. So if we're adults here,

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then God must think we are too. So then we're supposed to do all these things for ourselves.

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And nowhere in the Bible, Jesus never said, he never said, well, as an adult, you're on your

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own. He says, no, he says, you need to come as little children, childlike faith, that all things

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are possible, that anything can be done, that I am not just the God of this moment at your,

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when you're five, but I am the God of the moment when you're 55 or 105. And sometimes we forget

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that he's able to show up in situations because we have limited him. He hasn't limited himself.

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And so we say, oh, yeah, okay, God, you know, I'm not going to ask for this. That seems a little

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trivial. It seems a little, you know, that's not important. And God says, I'm the God of the little

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things and the big things. I made ants and Mount Everest, you know, I didn't just do one or the

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other. I showed up for all of it. And then the whole universe as well that fits in the palm of

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his hand and he still holds our hearts and you know, it just blows my mind. Like we think so

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relationally to our size and we forget just a grand scope of his whole creation. Yes, yes.

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And then when you read that he sits in heaven and is worshiped, you know, all day long by these

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angels that just worship all day long, right? And he's still in our, in our space. I have this thing

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that I say all the time and I say, he's as close as your next breath, breathe him in. Oh, yes. You

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know, because the minute that you just take that deep breath, it's like, Oh, yes, Yahweh.

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You know, we exhale and it then it says, you know, in our exhale, it's supposed to be a Yahweh.

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Isn't that fabulous? And I just am like, well, even in my breath, I speak your name.

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So why is it that I can't get you in my brain? It's because we have little faith and not little

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is small, but little is in duration. And so the miracle that he he walked for us the one day

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fades in our memories by the next crisis. And we're panicking again and wondering if he can do it

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knowing that he can. It's a weird dichotomy that we put ourselves through that because of the lies

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of the enemy that constantly berating us at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. See, that's another thing,

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too. When we when we listen to the wrong voice, we believe the wrong quote unquote true. And when

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we listen to the right voice and we hear the truth, it's a whole different dynamic. We see

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things differently and see most of the time, I'll give you a prime example. You wake up Monday

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morning and most people are like, Oh, wow, it's Monday. Me on the other hand, I've learned, Oh,

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wow, it's Monday. Let's see what we can get into today, God. Because once you see that it's a whole

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that we look at things different when we have a whole grasp on God loves you or a tiny grasp on

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he's got it and you don't even need to do it. And for me, I'm the type of person that lately,

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and I have found this to be so amazing. When I say, Okay, God, you take the wheel, you do the thing,

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you fly the plane, you get us there. I realized that not only do I sleep better,

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but I don't snap it everybody. And I'm just like, it's on Jesus. I didn't I can't do anything about

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it. It's on Jesus. It's in your hands, Jesus, because if I try to carry it, I'm not going to get very far.

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I can take a couple of steps. I can be the strong one for about four, five. Okay, that's it. Those

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are the steps I'm taking. You do the rest. I love how big God is. I love how he shows up. I love when

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he says, Let me be the let me be the one in charge and you just take a break. And surrender has been

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like my word of this little season we're in submit surrender. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like how

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will show me how to do that. You know, yes, there's a song. I'm quite a bit old now, but

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but and the line in the song says, let it go. And sometimes I think that we feel like if we let it go,

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we're releasing our ability to have control of something or think that we can make something happen.

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Yes. But what we do is if we let it go and God controls the narrative, there are times where

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he will let you get the credit. And so I'm like, I think what happens is that we look around and

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we're like, but if I, if I let all this go, then how am I going to get recognized? You know, I'm

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not going to get seen as the one who paid the bill or did the thing. And God, I need some credit here.

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And God goes, look, I'll give you all the credit. Just know that I did it.

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And he does always get the glory because all the angels in heaven already knew that he did it.

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I think that's fantastic. But I, I've seen him do some great things in this past season, pay bills

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and and heal bodies and restore families and pick up pieces of situations that you thought would

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never be able to put you back together. So in the, in the fact that, you know, we call him God,

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I'm so glad that we also get to call him friend because he's the one that will be right there.

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And he'll say, you know what, I understand that you were mad at me yesterday, but I'm going to show

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up again today and I'm going to walk with you and not let anything get you. The best part is

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because he knows why we were mad. And he comes out as with this understanding heart because he

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doesn't blame us. He understands everything that led us to that point our entire life and everything

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that led the other person to that point in their entire life that created a conflict,

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anyone or lives, and he's not mad at us because of that. He understands that we're broken people.

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All that he wants is our heart. That's all that he asked for. That's the only thing he's ever

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pursued is our heart. Yes, yes, yes, I love that. I love that. And I'm so grateful that he doesn't

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ask me for more than I can give because, you know, there are times we don't even have, we don't have

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the energy to even give a yes. You know, we just have to just sit there. And I'm so blessed. Yes,

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so blessed that in the times that I have been sitting there and saying, God, you know, it's on

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you. You know, and he's ready to say, okay, I got this. And my big God with his big plan, that is,

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you know, and I get to be this tiny piece of it. And that's the most amazing thing.

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And I'm so blessed about that. So, you know, and, and if we all would look at it as this,

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and I'm not a fan of puzzles. So any of you that love puzzles, please don't be mad at me. I'm just

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not the puzzle person. We love puzzles. That's what you're done. Interview's over. We used to do

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puzzles so much. We used to get a puzzle piece in the interlock. Well, puzzle piece had to.

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And so, yeah. Well, when I was little, I, we had a table in our house that always had a puzzle on it.

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Always had a puzzle on it. And it used to drive me absolutely crazy because every time somebody

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would walk by it, they would try to put a piece of that puzzle together. And one time there was a

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puzzle that was put on the table and it was a single ice cream cone with the chocolate and the

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vanilla in the middle and then the strawberry on top. You know, this is trauma. I sure remember

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this is way too well. Yeah. And so, and the whole background is white. Okay. And I remembered thinking,

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you know, as a child, I'm thinking, this is never going to get done. And then I thought,

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if one of those pieces of that white was gone, it would ruin the whole puzzle. And it really

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was one of those things where I was like, if I take one of these pieces, they'll stop putting

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this stupid puzzle together. And that's it'll disappear. But what God showed me many years later

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about that story is, is that every single piece not only is important, but if we don't plug in to

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be part of the bigger picture, other people are missing out because we didn't put our piece

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of the puzzle together. And so God always gives you that piece. And he gives you that. And just,

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and look at, look at what you do as just that tiny puzzle piece. Even if it is, even if you are

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scared to step into what the assignment is God has for you, it's that big. But look at the major

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difference it makes. And I find that so amazing. So, and yes, you talk about trauma, puzzles are

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just one of those things people, people are people always say, oh, we're going to go do a puzzle. And

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my first reaction is, oh, please don't invite me. But then I realized, you know, they're all, all

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these pieces are so valuable. And they are so important. And God says, I just asked you to be

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a small piece, not asking you to carry the whole thing. I'm just asking you to be a tiny piece.

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Just asking to put a piece in the puzzle. What you refuse to do all your childhood, he's asking

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just to do that. Yeah. And see, that's how God showed me who he was through those puzzles.

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But I'm blessed. I'm really thankful that in my life, and especially in this last season, and

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we're still going through it. But I'm so glad that he is showing me every day that I only have to

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make a little effort. And sometimes that little effort is, Lord, you take the wheel today, you do

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it all. Because I don't have anything in the natural that I can supply to make it any better.

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But your supernatural, your super is going to bless into that natural, whatever the weight of

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it is, the tiny piece of that puzzle, or, you know, doing something greater, going to a speaking event,

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doing something, whatever it is, whatever I put in, God's going to magnify and bless and turn it into something amazing.

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Amen. And I'm just blessed to be part of it.

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Blessed to be on the journey.

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You don't know what you're going to get, but you know, it's going to be good.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And then when you look back, you're like, oh my gosh,

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look at what he did. He said, how it works together.

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Well, what is that? What is it when it says, you know, I'll do exceedingly above all you could ask,

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think, or imagine. And going back to writing those plans down, I write it down. And God says,

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Well, what about this? What about that? And I'm like, wow, I didn't think about that. He says,

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yeah, I know I read it last night. I noticed. Here are my notes on your plan. And he doesn't

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walk in and tell you that your plan is wrong. He says, let's elevate it to the next level.

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Yeah. And that's where I'm like excited that God is God in my life. And he's also my father,

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and he's also my friend. And knowing that he's never going to leave me alone, and he's not going to

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let me, you know, fall down and get hurt. And he's not going to let any weapon keep forming against

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me. Or, you know, and he's not going to let the bad, you know, when my kids were little, they used

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to say, I don't want the boogie to get me. And he's not going to let that happen. And I'm so excited

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that that is the God that I have in my life. And the father that says, I love you no matter what.

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And even when I have a bad day, and I say, you know what, I can do this, I got it.

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Did you just stay over there? I got it. God's like, okay, I'll sit right over here in the

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lazy boy. And when you are done doing all that, you just let me know and I'll take care of it.

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He's a perfect gentle parent. Yes. Right. So he's not going to let us go off and do something

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wholly against him without giving us a lot of warning signs and saying, hey, I'm not sure you

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want to do that. But as far as the way that we go about our daily life, if we decide, hey, no, no,

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I'm a big boy, I'm a big girl, I can do this, pick myself up and walk and tattle and fall and pick

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myself up, he'll let us do that all day long. And he is so faithful is that when we're finally

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frustrated with our lack of ability, that when we sit there and cry for help, that he is right there

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for us, I would be so frustrated. I'm so glad that he is not me, because he continues to do this

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pattern with us, just like the whole of Israel in the Old Testament, where they would do some

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things for the Lord, then they would sin and then they would have 40 years of just suffering and then

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they would raise their hands up, Lord, please help us and he would help them. And then they would

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screw it up and then we just get this pattern. It's just like us and our daily lives and kids.

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We just want to do it so bad on our own that we forget that he is doing it for us.

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Yes, amen. We can't mess his plans up, but we can mess ours up pretty good.

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Yes, and you know what? It says in the word that he laughs. And I am sure that he has found my life

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comical in ways that I was thinking it was, I was angry or frustrated or hurt and God's laughing.

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He's like, honey, stop doing that. Stop stepping into stuff. Stop carrying stuff that's not yours.

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You know, and sometimes we think we were doing the right thing or we're doing the thing that

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you're doing something that is so fantastic. It's going to be great for God. And God goes,

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did I say to do that? I didn't ask you for that. That's not your thing.

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there's stumbling blocks and we can't get it. It's not easy. And I'm at the point in my life

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where the first time it gets tough, I sit down and I go, wait a minute, am I picking this up?

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Or did God put this on my plate? Did God hand this to me? Or am I just picking it up because I want

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to do something that's wonderful for God? How many years of doing it wrong did it take before you

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got that wisdom? Oh boy, if I tell you that, I don't want to look foolish. I don't think you would.

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I honestly believe that every single person is identical to that. And that's why the elder has

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the wisdom. By the time I'm 80, I'd better make very few mistakes. When I'm 20, I could see how

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headstrong I am in wanting to do it. No, Lord, I got this. But by 80, I should be humbled as a

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humble pie right there. Lord, your will be done. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, when I first, see,

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I was blessed. I grew up in a household where it was military and ministry. People are like, wow,

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that seems like total opposites. And I used to think, well, they go hand in hand to me.

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And so I would see the military side of things where there was order and there was a place for

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everything and everything in its place. And then I would see ministry where God would heal people

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out of wheelchairs and people would be saved and all of these beautiful giftings that God gives.

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And so it seems like you have two different constructs there. And there are. You have

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worldly order and then you have God order. And for me, when I would sit there and watch this,

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you would think that I would never get it wrong, that I would have great faith, that I would

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let God always be in charge. And I didn't. And I got to the point in my life where I looked back

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and I was like, when did I lose the letting God do it all? Where in my life, where on the path did

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I think that it was a better option for me to try to do it? It was. The enemy does things to your

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knee of the urgence. You know, your windshield wiper breaks. And so you have to take care of it

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right now. And now you're not going to the Lord because you have an urgent need that you have

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to take care of. He just does it with small things that build up over time. Because he's a jerk.

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And I can't wait till Jesus casts him into the lake of fire. That'll be wonderful.

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And we get buried down by our test of honey as he's bogged into it.

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And you know, you're right. You're right. It is the small things. And he says things like,

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you know what, you better go take care of that. You better go do that. And you're right. It's not

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what now, you know, how do I go? Where's the where's the where's the you in this God? Where is

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this? You know, where are you in this situation? And what do you want me to do? You've heard the

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expression, there's no rest for the wicked. Well, the enemy is very wicked and he is not resting.

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He is constantly harassing us. Yes. Yes. And I'm starting to realize that when you are doing all

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of the things your way, he doesn't bother you so much. The minute that you sit down and say,

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okay, Jesus, it's on you. And you start seeing, oh, wow, that's, you know, it's like, it's like,

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wait, you're trusting in God, but what about this? What about this? Hey, wait a minute.

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And you say, no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to deal with you today. I'm going to deal. I'm

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going to let Jesus deal with all of my stuff. And that your mindset changes too, because you start

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seeing that if God could, I don't know, let's use something, let's use something out of the box.

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If God could heal the person that's been in a wheelchair for 25 years, never been able to walk,

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been paralyzed. If God can do this, Jesus can heal, then why do I have such a problem asking

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him to take care of my headache today? You feel selfish. Right. And the devil goes, oh, it's

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just a headache. Don't worry about it. You don't need to take that to God. It's just a headache.

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You'll get over it. Take an aspirin. I'd rather the root of the headache be healed and not have to

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take another aspirin again. Then have to keep coming back for an aspirin and an aspirin, you see.

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And I think that what happens is with us, we turn around and we think, well, it's just a headache,

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because that's what we've been told. But Jesus said, I've come to, by His stripes,

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all of our issues are healed, all of our diseases, all of our illnesses are healed.

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That little bitty headache or the person in the wheelchair that's been paralyzed since birth.

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And sometimes we forget to give all that to God. But I say all this to say this,

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because when we give it all to Him, when we don't take it back, you live a miraculous life.

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And people around you want to know why your life is so beautiful. Why are you,

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why are you happy? This is happening all around you. Well, it's not happening to me,

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because God's protecting me. And yes, it can happen all the way around me. But by the protection

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of God, it's not going to happen to me. And I'm so thankful for that every day. I want to just

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tell you guys a really quick story about healing, if I might. Sure. I, about 12,

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I'll just my son, I have to figure out how old my son is. About 12 years ago, I was suffering

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from horrible migraines. And I suffered with them from the time I was born until 12 years ago.

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And like I said, I'd been in church my whole life. I had been in ministries where their complete focus

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was just healing. Raised in the Jesus movement, right? Cool. And one of my pastors was actually

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in that time period. And so I was like, okay, thank you. Yes, yes, definitely. Thank you, Jesus.

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he says, I have God's blessing me with this understanding that somebody here in church

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today has a violent migrant, violent was the word he used. And I'm sitting there in the second,

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in the second row, third seat. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, oh, that poor person,

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that poor person, I'm sitting there suffering with a migraine. Let's be real clear. Oh,

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that poor person, I know how that feels. Okay. Second week goes by. Pastor gets up and he says,

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we're going to pray that people with migraines get healed today. I'm like, oh, yes, that's a great

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prayer. Let's pray for people that have migraines that they'll be healed. I'm suffering again with

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a migraine. Third week goes by. I'm sitting in church. This time I've got sunglasses on in a dark

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room because it's so bad, but I never want to miss a service, right? You never want to miss church,

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right? And so I'm sitting there and I'm praising God and the pastor gets up and he says, he says,

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we're going to pray that God heal people at the root for the root of their migraine that they will

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never have another migraine again. And off to my right was the women's group. They were sitting

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all together. They all sit together and the head of the women's group, she leans over and she says,

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he's talking to you. That's about time someone told you for three weeks for three weeks. You know,

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I'm sitting here praying for other people. Oh Lord, yes, I pray that this person be healed in the

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mighty name of Jesus. Hello, hello. Do I need to say this to you? Well, finally, I needed a verbal

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confirmation, right? So this woman looks at me and she says, he's talking to you and the whole

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congregation heard her say it. So I stood up and I walked to the back and I had this lady

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pray for me. She says, what am I praying for? What are we asking Jesus for today? And I said,

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I'm the person who he's been talking about for three weeks about the migraines. And she looks at me

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and she says, oh, wow, I'm glad you finally showed up. I was like, wow, okay, Jesus, that's some nice

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confirmation. And we're praying. And all of a sudden I feel what feels like sludge or oil.

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And it's like literally falling coming out of my head down my body out my fingers. And I look down

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and I can actually see. Usually when I had a migraine, I couldn't see. It was very hard for me to see.

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And I look down and it looks like a pile or a pool of black liquid on the floor. And I look at

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this woman and I said, do you see that? And she says, what am I looking at? And I said, the pile of

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black fludge on the floor. And she says, no. And all of a sudden I just stepped to the left.

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And I literally take my feet out of that fludge, right? And it's sitting there. I can still see it.

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Okay. And this is how God does things for me. He wants me to be able to see what he's doing.

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And so she prays for me. And instantly I get healed. The headache is gone. And I'm a person,

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now mind you, I was a person who was taking about 30 pills a day, aspirin, ibuprofen, whatever,

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motrin, whatever it was. 40 pills a day. That is not good for your liver or kidneys.

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Yes. And it could have done some severe damage. Guess what? Thank you, Jesus. It didn't.

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But I would take medication just to be, you know, just to function. It wouldn't get rid of the headache.

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I was the person going to the emergency room and having shots in the back of my neck.

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And it wouldn't stop. I couldn't figure it out. Okay. So I got healed completely that day. That

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was my birthday, actually. Wow. 12 years ago. What a good present. Yes, God does. Here's your

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present. I love you. Well, the next morning I'm sitting on the bed and I'm sitting on the edge

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of the bed and my husband is getting ready for work. And it was kind of a routine thing. I would

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sit on the edge of the bed and I'd put my head in my hands because I would probably have had a migraine.

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But I'm praying for him, dear heavenly Father. Thank you. I pray you bless my husband today

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at his job. May he be favored, whatever it was, whatever I would say. My husband sits down beside

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me, puts his arm around me and he says, oh, he said, you have one of those horrible headaches.

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And I took my head out of my hands and I said, no, I don't. And he looked at me and he said,

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really? And I said, yeah, I got healed yesterday, remember? And he says, oh, I thought that was

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just for the moment. And I said, no, no, no, I'm running with this. I am healed. I am never going

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to have another headache as long as I live. And I didn't say migraine. I said headache. So I, nothing.

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And let me tell you the praise report. In 12 years, I have not taken an aspirin for a headache.

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I have had my liver tested over and over and over again. There is no sign of damage.

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Oh, yes. I don't have, I don't have stomach ulcers from taking all the aspirin that I took.

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Because God said, you know what, if I'm going to heal that, that I should heal the other stuff,

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too, so that there are no problems so that you can brag on me that I healed you completely at the

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root. That's my, and see, and that's my, that's where God shows up for me. So when I tell you

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that he is my gyra and my Rafa and my Matsuda, when I tell you God is everything to me,

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I'm not leaving anything out. I'm not leaving anything in my hand and saying, I'll take care of

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this. I'm saying God is my all, my everything. And I wouldn't trust myself to pay my bills,

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but I would definitely trust my God. I don't trust myself to heal this body, but I trust my God.

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Mm-hmm. Amen. That is my big God, Mom. Hallelujah. I love it. That's amazing.

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That's so cool. When I, I was healed of 17 years of chronic neck and shoulder pain by the power of

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prayer and the laying in hands, and I was in tears that last day. I was like, I can't take it. You

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have to pray for me. And I was on muscle relaxers, painkillers, all this stuff. And when he took it

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away, it was, it was nuts because like I got this, Josh was like, how do you feel? And I was like,

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Oh, I got a headache. And he's like, we're going to pray again. And then we prayed again, and the

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headache moved. And he's like, all right, we're going to pray again. And then it moved again. And

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I'm like, this is nuts. I never had a headache move from different parts of my head from her neck

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to the very top of her head, slowly moving up to the very top of her head and the front. And then

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it was, and then it was gone. And the pain was gone and have been healed ever since that was 2015.

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Like the spirit of infirmity was in her deep, you know, like the spirit of infirmity was in you

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deep. And Jesus just liquefied it down the floor beneath you. Right. And, and, you know, just because

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we can't, we can't share the same house with the Holy Spirit with anything else demonic doesn't mean

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that they can't affect our flesh adversely all the time at will. Right. Because of our sin, we

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give them legal right to do all sorts of harm to us that we need to keep running the pop up for.

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Yep. And, you know, even though we don't engage in practices that increase these problems,

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that doesn't mean that they aren't there from what before we introduced ourselves to Jesus.

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Right. Doesn't mean before we allowed the Holy Spirit coming, we didn't have all this junk inhabit

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us. Right. Right. And, you know, you know, what's so funny about about us is that we turn around and

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we, I always tell people, I'm like, stop praying the small prayers. You know, you have big issues.

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Stop praying the small prayers. And I mean, I don't, I don't despise small beginnings, but at this

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stage in the game, be bold. Amen. And when people come at me and they say, they think, you know,

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you got healed. I want it to, I'm like, get over here. Let's pray a big prayer. Mm hmm. You know,

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receive it. And I'm one of these people that it's like, I will, I will stop in the middle of a grocery

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store, a big box store. I've even stopped, I've even had my husband stop the car and I've gotten

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out of the car and gone and prayed for the homeless guy on the corner. I believe it. And then when

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we could, and then when we couldn't find the homeless guy for two weeks or three weeks,

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I'm like, where did he go? And I see him someplace else. And I'm like, well, what happened? He turns

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around and he says, after you prayed for me, this lady came up and she said, I have a room that you

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could have until you can get on your feet. And he said, he says, I never thought to pray for a roof

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over my head. I was praying daily that I had just a little bit of food to eat. And I'm like, no,

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you got to start praying big prayers. That big prayer for me was that I couldn't function. I

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couldn't do what God was asking me to do. I couldn't fulfill the assignment because I couldn't see.

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I couldn't function during the day. This headache was so bad. I had daily headaches for probably

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30 years. Wow. And it was so bad that I couldn't move. I couldn't see. I had five sets of curtains

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on my windows. My children lived in complete darkness. They probably have the widest skin.

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I do. I do. And you know what is so fabulous about it? I walk out now in the sun and there are days

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I don't even put sunglasses on. I was walking around my house five sets of curtains and sunglasses

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every day for 30 years. And I'm going to tell you what, when God broke that off of me, I was like,

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wow. Let me see what the world looks like without this. It's like a cliche movie vampire that just

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wants to see the sunrise one last time. And you know what? No, it'll kill them. Yeah. And you know,

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and I'm so blessed that God took that from me. That's no longer a moniker that I wear. Now I

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turned around and I walk around and I go, yeah, you know what? Somebody let's pray for healing.

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And they're like, well, what qualifies you? Well, I got healed of migrants.

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What an awesome gift. Like there's so many ways you could look at it when I just made that little

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funny inference, but like he literally gave you a sunrise and a sunset again. He gave you something

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to look at again. He gave you a park in the middle of the day. Like he gave you so much freedom.

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Like it's not just a release of pain, but there's so much life he gave you with that.

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Yes. And the thing too about Jesus is, is that he doesn't just kind of fix one thing.

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It's not a kind of fix. It's a complete fix. See, for me, I walk in a complete healing every day.

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I get up in the morning and I'm like, thank you, Jesus, that I am healed, whole and complete.

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And what the word says about me over me and through me will be today. And I stand in that.

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I stand in that because if I turned around one day and I was like, I don't feel good, then I give

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the enemy that little door to open and come back in. I don't want you messing with me. I got stuff to

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do. Amen. I have heard that from my wife on countless times. I'm busy today. I don't have time for you.

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Yeah. He got the norovirus and I didn't hear about that. And then I looked it up and

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and he got it. And he would think the rest of the family would get it, but I put that

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prayer request out to my friends in Facebook and he woke up and I said, I had the people praying

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the blood of Jesus over you. And people were praying that the rest of the family wouldn't get sick

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and praise Lord, we don't have time for that. And here I was when I was hugging the toilet. I was

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literally praising God because even though it was violent and painful, at no point was it the

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volume so much that I couldn't breathe. And that's, I think, the worst part. And so therefore, I was

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in pain, but I can take pain. And so I was just so grateful. I remember, I remember being on a cold

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bathroom floor because I cramped my back muscle and all of this and boy, that really hurt. I don't

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know if you've ever had like a cramped toe. Imagine the long muscle in your back doing that.

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Like I was, I was twitching like I got tased. And I remember, I remember lying on the floor and I

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just remember thanking God and praising him that it wasn't as bad. And I don't know, like,

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I'm looking back down like I can't believe that I was thanking him that it wasn't bad because it was,

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it was horrible. Nathan said it sounded like you were dying in there. Man, it was horrid.

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And I don't, I mean, it was a good, it was a, it was the right spiritual attitude I had. And

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looking back, I, my flesh is like, I don't know why you were praising him because you were, you

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like, I'm still sore. Yeah. And my spirit's like, I still praise him. I'm still praising this morning.

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Like, let's do this. I'm so excited about that. Another praise report is he didn't cough at all

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this, this, this podcast. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I still got some coffee going on. Yeah. Not this time.

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Let's see. There's a, there's a God moment stepping up, stepping in. And when we step up and step in,

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God shows off. And he says, he says, all I asked you to do, just take the one step of the staircase.

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You don't have to take the whole staircase today. Just take the step. And I'm that person who,

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I'm like, one step, I could, I could do like, I could do 17 today. And God says, yeah, you probably

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could, but you're going to miss the blessings. If you do it 17 in a day, I need you to do it one a day

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and receive the blessing and do the next step and receive the blessings. So that's my, that's my

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nickels worth of free advice. Take the step and take it a step at a time. Receive the blessings.

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Hmm. Well, this has been so good, Christine. I love our conversation. And it's just so good.

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Well, thank you for letting me come on and chat with you. I love that. Anytime. Absolutely. I love

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it. I love praising God. I love, I love people who have stories about how good God is. Anytime,

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you have clearly have a plethora of stories that embody the goodness of God. And so, you know,

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I could see why my wife enjoys talking with you. Well, I am so blessed to be part of your,

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your outreach and, and be part of just, I'm that person who would, will stand on the street corner

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and just praise God and be excited. And I just, I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. And

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I can't wait. And, you know, I would love to have another opportunity if, if the opportunity ever

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arose, I would love to come and chat with you all again. Hmm. Awesome. Very cool. Well, if this

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