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Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's

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goodness and modern-day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hankins. Today we have

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with us a special guest. His name is Yol Ben Israel and he and I met through a Facebook group

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called Christian Podcasters and you are just gonna be blessed by what the Holy Spirit has

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led him to share today. And if you're new to us I want to thank you for joining us. I'm so glad

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you found us and if you're a longtime listener or at least a one-time listener and you love

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podcasts please rate it in Spotify or Apple Podcasts so people can know that people are

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liking it and then the algorithm can share it with more people and then more people can be

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encouraged. So we're gonna have Yol Ben introduce us, oh before we get going, we'll have him do an

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opening prayer and then we'll get into it. So thanks for being with us. Thank you all so very much

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for having me on and yes I'm about to get us in an opening prayer as well. Thank you. King Yahweh,

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we thank you so very much for this beautiful opportunity to come together and to talk about

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you to glorify you, to pour out our hearts regarding what you have done for us, what you're

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doing inside of us and what you're doing through us. We thank you so very much for this time on

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your Shabbat to be able to relax and to focus on you as well and I pray that you continue to pour

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into all of us. Everybody who is working on this podcast, who the hosts, whose people are working

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behind the scenes, the audio editor and the audience who will listen to this episode and future

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episodes as well. I pray that you will continue to use this podcast to advance ultimately your

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kingdom of heaven and to invite lost souls into the kingdom of heaven all for your glory. We

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thank you and we love you so very much and it is in the authority of your son that you sent to

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die for us and that you resurrected. It's in the name of your son, the Messiah, and the Holy

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Shabbat that we thank you our King. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you for that. So where would

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you like to get started? I know you have a lot to share, so let's go ahead. Yes, yes, so I would

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like to start, I guess at the beginning of what your audience and kind of like give Mr. Fowle who

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I am because people, people may be like, well, who is, who is this guy? Yeah. That's the same as you

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guys interviewing. We find a lot of interesting people and the Holy Spirit's guiding us to everybody,

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so you never know what you're going to get. Really interesting journey. Yes, indeed. Yeah,

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so my name is Elyquen Lies-Sed already. Yo, el bin, bin ye sra'el. And my journey to kind of give

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you, I guess, a truncated version, but to give you enough details so that you, so that you can

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know more about me. I was born in Southfield, Michigan, to two lovely parents, my mom and my

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dad. They worked together for a time, but they divorced when I was relatively young. So I spent

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most of my life growing up with my mom and my younger brother. I still keep in time, keep in

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contact with my father as well too. And we have a beautiful relationship actually. I feel like

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Kenyawa, he's really doing something beautiful between the two of us as regards to my father and

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his son dynamic. And so my mom, she would take my brother and I to a place called the Kingdom Hall

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of Jobless Witnesses. So essentially, I was born into what is called, it's a real long name,

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the Watchtower Bible Man-Trak Society of Pennsylvania, aka the Jobless Witness of the

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nomination to make it short. So I was born into this, the Watchtower Society. And for the most

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part, I really loved the organization. I still love the people till this day. And so my mom took

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us when we were relatively young, my brother and I, and we were frequent in Kingdom Halls. So much so

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that I really became interested in this book called The Bible, because for me, I feel like I've

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always been this really deep existential thinker, always questioning. And I feel like my mom, she

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had like the patience of Job, entertaining all of my questions, like, you know, why is the sun

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hot or why is the sky blue or why do the clouds look like that and like cotton candy, whiskey,

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and the sky like, what's up with everything? What's up with this thing called life? So me

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asking all these questions, and The Bible just seemed to be this beautiful book, this library,

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if you will, that really helped engage the reader to think deeper and to think in a intellectual

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way. Yes, but I think also in a spiritual manner, that really helps us understand the purpose of

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life while we're here and our Creator is and things of this nature. So I went to the Kingdom Hall

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and I got so fascinated and I began to have a zeal for this religion. And to the point where I

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matriculated into what's called the Theocratic Ministry School. And so essentially, this school

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is basically like a seminary, so to say, for for Job's witnesses to teach us how to share our world,

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you ask Job's witnesses to the outside world, essentially. And so I just remember getting my

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very first talk, because they call sermons talks. And so my very first talk or sermon, it was actually,

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it was a Bible reading. And so I remember just taking that they gave me a small white slip.

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And I took this white slip home and they had the portion that I was going to read a scripture.

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And I just remember just pouring over those scriptures, just reading those scriptures over

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and over and over again. So the point where I try my best to almost memorize it, because I didn't

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want to miss a period, a comma, exclamation point. I want to make sure that the reading was perfect.

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And so the time the night came, and my family came to support me in this endeavor, my first

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public Bible readings. And I went up there, I read it. And when I got done reading, I heard this

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thunderous applause from the audience and just to look up and to see my mom smiling and to see

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my dad and to see my brother and all these familiar faces, all my loved ones just showering me with

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this support, just chilling in me along the way of this, me taking more steps deeper into my spiritual

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journey. That got me hooked. And so I began to go from there to give more public sermons, public

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discourses. And then I went to what is called a field service or door-to-door evangelism.

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And so you all may know that they, when we go from door to door, sometimes you get people who are

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really just their side, they really, sometimes they're excited to see you. They're excited to

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talk about the Bible and they're excited to talk about God and religion and what's going on in the

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world. And then you have others who, you know, they're not so excited. They close their minds and

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we knock on the door and they say, we're not home, but we heard you say you're not home, so you're

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kind of our home. And so I went through that for about, for years. I was a Joe's witness for decades.

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And then there came a time where I became a teenager, I became 18, the fast forwarded. And

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I began to go through this identity crisis, this existential identity crisis about myself. And

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essentially what I feel like really was the catalyst for this was, I think it was, it was two

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things. One, I really do think that it was, yeah, really trying to get me to ask him deeper

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questions than I was already asking him when I looked back at it at 2020. Then also too,

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I went to a high school that was, it was very multicultural. And so seeing all these different

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cultures, it really began to provoke or galvanize me to want to know more about my own culture.

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could all come to a point where we're searching for our culture. We're trying to trace it past

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slavery and go beyond slave shifts. And we're trying to find out, you know, what do we come from,

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our ethnicity and things of that nature. I mean, so I got to a point within my

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spiritual journey within this religion to where my ethnicity began to wrestle with my

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Joe's witness religion. And I feel like this wrestling really began me, my journey to really

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know Yahweh, who I called Joe back then on a, on a much deeper level. And so fast forwarding,

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when I graduated high school and I'm still wrestling with this question and this nagging

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question of who am I, why am I here? And I'm also asking, I'm getting to the point where I'm asking

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God about the condition of the African American. I'm asking him a hard question about slavery.

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Why did slavery happen? The transatlantic slave trade, 400 years of slavery? Why did all these

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things happen? And so I'm asking him these questions. And he's such a good father. And I feel

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like no question is too big for him. And no question is intimidating to him because he,

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he answered me in such, such a beautiful way. I feel like, because I was going to my religion,

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and I'm also to my, to the elders and asking them questions. And to tell you all this too,

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to be even more transparent, I actually called the headquarters in New York City.

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Yes. Yes. I want answers.

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I need to know.

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And I, yes, I need to know. So I asked some questions about, about slavery and about

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things that happened in American history, trafficking Americans. And I just couldn't

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find any satisfactory answers. But I think this is a, is a lesson that I, that he wanted.

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Yeah. I want to meet a gleam. And I think this is going to bless the audience as well.

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Is that sometimes when we have questions, we go to our religion first, and we don't go to the

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creator. Even today, when I think about me being, being a millennial, sometimes I'll go to Google

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first or I'll go to a chat GPT first as opposed to going to King Yahweh first. And so I feel like

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he was teaching me that lesson that he wants that intimacy. He wants that tells us to start

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that conversation with him and ask him those hard questions because he's only going to reveal to us

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the pristine, pure, unadulterated truth. Right. So I went to my mother's basement because there

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was some things happening within America that were really just perturbing my, my, my, my spirit.

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to really just, just really saddened me in a way, saddened me about the state of America. And, and,

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and me thinking that America has gotten past this rather, I guess, soft mark or juvenile

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attitude of discriminating against people because of that they have a certain skin color. So I,

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I remember vividly like it was yesterday. I walked down into, to my mom's basement and I got on both

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knees and I put my head to the basement floor and I began to pray to Joe for God and to ask him

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just about, about everything to ask him what, what like to ask him questions like, who am I?

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about police brutality and, and, and everything. And lo and behold, he guided me back to his word.

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And when he guided me back to his word, he took me to duty around in me chapter 28. And

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it was so beautiful because I believe that the King of heaven, King Yahweh being our father,

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he knows each and every one of his children individualistically. And he already knew how

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much of a history nerd that, that, that I already was. And I feel like he was playing to my forte

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regarding reading history. So I will always read about history, especially when it comes to

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African American history. And I began to read the Bible to read it around me 28 and to line up

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different things that happened within African American history. And to, I guess, to kind of

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fast forward a little bit more. I realized that a lot of things that have happened to African

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Americans, the root of it is sin. The root of it is disobedience. The root of it is deviating

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from our loving heavenly father and from the King of heaven and going our own way. As it talks about

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within scripture in Isaiah 53, we have all like sheep. We've all gone our own way. And that blew

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my mind. But then also upon doing further research, King Yahweh began to reveal to me that I actually

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had bloodline ties to Abraham, Isaac and to Jacob. And once he revealed this to me, things really

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start to make a lot more sense. So I began to really embrace my Hebraic identity being a man

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of Hebrew ethnicity. And this is where I came into like a fork in the road with my religion,

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because I began to read the Bible more and more, not so much so with the running commentary of the

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West Tower Society and with their canon, their canonical literature, but just me, the Father,

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and I feel like the Holy Spirit just guiding me. And I kind of feel like the Apostle Paul,

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when scales begin to fall off my eyes and I began to see that what my religion was teaching me as a

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Jehovah's Witness, it really wasn't congruence or harmonious with what the Bible was saying to me.

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And so after getting this new information, in my zeal, I went on Facebook and I, you know,

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as a quintessential millennial, I began making a, I made a Facebook post about what I was learning.

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And this eventually caught wind of the leadership of the Kingdom Hall that I was going to.

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And so I, yes, man, oh man, yeah, yeah, you are spot on.

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And so I remember distinctly, it was a Thursday night and we had switched Kingdom Hall. So at

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this point, my younger brother Dominique wasn't going to the Kingdom Hall. I was more so more

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zealous for the religion. And my mom and I, we had switched going from a predominantly African

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American Kingdom Hall to a predominantly like, like a white Kingdom Hall. And I'm still active.

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So I'm reading from the stage. I'm carrying the rolling microphone. You're dedicated. You are in

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it. Yes. Yes. Like, like, like I am needy. Yeah. There's a lot of Christians, they want to dedicate

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themselves to sharing Jesus door to door. And yes, you know, like, that's a dedication. And you're

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and you're like, wait a minute, I'm going in the wrong direction. I need to pivot just a little bit

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to go along with the Bible. The word says the truth. And then so what happened next?

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Yes. So I remember distinctly one Thursday night, I was going into the Kingdom Hall.

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And I got this tap on my shoulder. And it was a dear brother of mine, brother Rami. And he

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whispered into my ear and he said, you know, you don't have to carry the microphone tonight.

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And I was like, Okay, this is very interesting. So I just I always say so I sat down. And it was a

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regular normal meeting, you know, they went through the Watchtower study and they went through the

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different publications that they have. And then but after the meeting concluded, I got another tap

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on my shoulder. And it was from another dear brother who I still have have love for brother

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Nico Salamos. And he asked me said, Do you mind coming to the to the back room for a minute?

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And I was like, again, like, this is very interesting. I'm like, Okay, so I picked up my

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my black briefcase with my Bible in it, the new new world translation, whether Joe's win is you.

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So I had that. And I'm following him to the back room. And in this back room,

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he Nico, he was he opens the door. And in the back room, there are seated two other one yet

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two two elders, and one younger brother. So it is Nico, and then there are three other brothers

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within this room. And they asked me to sit down. And so I sit down and Nico proceeds to sit down.

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And what he does is he takes out his iPad, and he begins to scroll. And he scrolls on he's on

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Facebook, mind you, and he scrolls up to the post that I had recently posted about the new

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information that I've been learning about about me being a hero about my my age, like ancestry

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about us, about us, we should do our best to strive to to honor the laws of the Bible to

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to live as the Bible says. And he began to ask me he began to say, So what's up with these posts,

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man? Like, like, this is like, what is going on with what you and these posts like this is not

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what we teach within the West tower society. And so I began to articulate and to elucidate

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what I was learning. And long story short, and you guys you caught caught caught already,

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they they really didn't, you know, it didn't go over to too well. So, what they did was I was

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stripped of all of my privileges of carrying a microphone of going out from door to door evangelism

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from speaking from giving public talks. And after a series of more conversation about me

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learning the Hebrew language, I mean, learning that Jehovah is one pronunciation, but then seeing

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pronunciation like Yahweh and seeing Yeshua and reading the Hebrew more and more and seeing that

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that this book that we call the Bible, and this is maybe shocking to some people, but it wasn't

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written in 16th century Elizabethan English. Originally, it was written, it was written

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it written within Hebrew. And when I began to really study this out, one meeting sealed the

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deal for me. And this this with a fork in the roll comes to me actually leaving and and being

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what they call disassociated from the West house society. I went to my friend's house Mattel,

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a very, very good friend of mine. And he said that, you know, I haven't been seeing you at the

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Kingdom Hall lately, what's going on with you? And so I said, man, I look, I got to share with you

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what I've been learning. And I was so excited. I went to his home, sit down on this couch, put

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out my phone and I was showing him God's name Yahweh and within Hebrew. And this was on the

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Bible Hub website. And this was the moment when I feel like King Yahweh was showing me that I'm

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leading you in another direction. I pulled up the website Bible Hub and I was showing him about

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the name and like, yeah, like, so like, here's the letter, yo, then the hay and the wall and the hay.

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And here's the vocalization. And without missing a beat, he said to me, he said, we should not be

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on this demonic website. Once I heard that I began to get emotional, because that's when I knew you

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are that that was going to be the last conversation that I was going to be able to have with Mattel,

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because I was going to have to leave the organization, the religious organization,

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because the thing is, you don't know you're being brainwashed while you're being brainwashed.

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And you don't know that people are controlling information that you can look at while you're

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in the middle and midst of that particular organization. And I just had this thought

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being pressed on me that if you stay yoel, you are going to become just like that. And so I

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decided that what I need to do is I need to write my letter of this association within

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from the organization. So I did that. And so I broke away. And for a long time, it was it was

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just me, the Bible and my Heavenly Father King Yahweh just just me. I feel like during this time,

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it was I was going through this deconstruction period of my faith, everything that I learned

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from the West Tower for those because I left when I was about 22 for those 20 plus decades

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have been it was all being deconstructed. And that can be a very scary thing, especially when

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you're by yourself. And I know that with the younger generation, generation Z generation Alpha as

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well, that they go through that as well, millennials to but I love how loving our father is and how

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I feel like he held my hand through the entire process and showed me that just like how I called

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Abraham and Genesis 12 to leave what was familiar, leave your father's house, leave your country,

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leave your kindred and go to this land that I'm calling you to go to. I feel like he was doing

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that with me. And he was guiding me on this journey to not a religion, but to actually enter into his

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his kingdom of heaven. And that's that that I guess leads me into probably the this is the

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punchline of the entire story. Being a Joe was witness. We are I guess the hallmark was

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the whole door to door thing warmers are known for you know, being on their bicycles and

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being going to an evangelism as well too. But that's like that's the hallmark for us going from

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the door and preaching the good news. But but the punchline is I didn't hear the good news

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until I left the organization that was supposed to be preaching it. I didn't hear

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the good news until I came across a man by the name of Dr. Miles Monroe.

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During the summer of 2022, my wife and I were celebrating the biblical feast feast of weeks

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and in the Vatican is 23. And I just had this I don't know if you all have ever had this feeling

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of like, yes, I'm reading my I'm reading the word and I feel like I'm being a quote unquote good

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unquote good believer. But simultaneously, I feel like something is still missing. And with me,

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that something that was missing is I feel like I was missing something regarding the good news

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message. Because at this point, yes, I left the watchtower society, but I fell into two other

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religions messianic Judaism or messianic Talmudism. And then I didn't when it comes to messianic

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Judaism, I kind of put my big toe into the pool. I did not in cannonball all the way in, but I left

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that one. Then I fell into another religion called Hebrew Israelism. When I say I cannonballed and

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and plunged into that one. Yeah, like I was soaking wet and everything but regarding that particular

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religion. But within that religion, I feel like something was still missing. And that was the

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good news. And so I came across Dr. Miles Monroe. And I heard him talking with a guy named Benny,

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and I had never heard of these two characters before he's two men. He was in Nassau Bahamas.

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He was talking about the good news. And he was saying he kept on saying that, yeah, you know,

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the Messiah priests about the kingdom of heaven and it's a rival. And I was like, huh? What is he

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what he's talking about? Like, no, he preached about he preached didn't preach about something else.

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And so this began to really pick my curiosity. And I went to the Hebrew text of Matthew. And when

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I read it for myself, you all, because I was really cynical because I was like, I was like,

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nah, like, I don't I don't know if Dr. Miles is here. I don't know if he really knows knows what

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he's saying here. But when I read it in the Hebrew text for myself, and I actually saw the plain

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words of our Messiah of our rabbi what he said in the Hebrew text, I was like, whoa, this is actually

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what he what he preached. And this is actually what I need to preach. But when I read it, I read

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five words within the Hebrew and I'll say them real fast, and I'll take it to translate it and

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conclude here. But I read in Matthew 417, five words in Hebrew, which essentially mean to repent

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or to change our mindset because the Kingdom of Heaven has arrived. And when I heard this,

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I probably did the same dance that you all did when you all played the funky music intro to your

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podcast. Because as and I feel like I'm an evangelist, but I'm but I also I love to write as well too.

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I mean, I love to break down scripture. I feel like this was the biggest missing puzzle piece

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that finally come and finally clicked for me. And then the Bible began to really make sense

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because I began to look at the Bible not so much as a religious book anymore, but to look at it as

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a kingdom book. And the overarching theme of the Messiah's ministry was all about the Kingdom of

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Heaven. And I began to see it from Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And it just blew me away. And it

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still blows me away today how King Yahweh can take us from a point where we are so zealous

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for our religion, but we're not zealous for a relationship with him.

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And how he took me from being zealous for, I guess, almost like the apostle Paul being so zealous

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for his religion, so zealous for phariseism. But then on that road to the mass, because he encounters

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the way the truth and the light falls to the ground, being humbled, being blinded for three

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days, but then his eyes finally being open, I think both physically, but also spiritually,

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that there was so many things that you haven't learned yet. And we have a loving Heavenly

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Father who is the King of Heaven who wants us to, who is waiting for us to show up to his

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classroom, so to say, so he can teach us about his Kingdom of Heaven curriculum. And so yeah,

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and so that has really been on my heart to share and to learn more about the Kingdom of Heaven.

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And I guess what I'll do is, it's here, why I think that this is the good news message,

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why it's so important. I feel like the good news message about the Kingdom of Heaven,

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it's so important because for the Israelite, for the Gentile, for the Jew, for the Greek,

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and I talk about this within the book, A Little Thoughts of a Kingdom Citizen,

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we all have lost something. And what I mean by that is, we all have lost this inheritance

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called the Kingdom of Heaven. And when I look in Scripture, I see that our first parents, Adam and

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Eve, they didn't really lose their religion, but they lost their relationship with the King of Heaven

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via having citizenship within his Kingdom. And when I read Scriptures like Genesis 126,

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and when Heavenly Father says, let's make mankind an art image and our likeness,

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and let them have dominion over the entire earth, that's exactly what I feel like we were all created

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for. And the only way that we are going to have true dominion in a way that that's not

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in a totalitarian manner, that's not in a dictator-esque manner, but in a way that's loving,

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that's kind, that's caring, that's reflecting all of the fruits of the Holy Spirit, is if we are born,

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born again, born from above, through water and the Holy Spirit, and when we're born twice, and we

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now are filled with the Holy Spirit, and we're now reconnected with our home government, with the Kingdom

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of Heaven, to where we can now advance our Father's government by healing the sick, by raising the dead,

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by cleansing lepers, by casting out demons, anywhere where there's darkness. We just like our

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Savior, just like our Rabbi, the Messiah, Yahushua, we are able to bring Heaven to earth, and I feel

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like it's just really up to us as citizens of Heaven to make this place called earth look a little

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bit more soul-like Heaven. So yes, and one last thing, I've been looking at what I get, what's

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called in the scripture the keys or the keys of Heaven, and how Matthew 16, the Messiah, he talks

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about giving us the keys, the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and I think that this will be very

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encouraging regarding your audience. I think this is going to bless the audience as well too,

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regarding one of the keys of Heaven, one of the principles is this thing called Kingdom Commonwealth.

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I think that as believers when things get tough, I think especially financially, and it's crazy,

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I'm saying this because I just got done stressing out about finances and things of that nature,

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but I feel like I think this is going to help somebody as well, put things in perspective.

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Within a Kingdom, the economic system, it's called Commonwealth, and what that essentially means is

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that the wealth within a Kingdom is common because all of us, all the law-abiding citizenry,

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we all have equal access to the King's riches, to his wealth, and to his resources. And so that

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means that if I am in need of something, whether it be food, whether it be water, whether it be

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clothing, whether it be shelter, whether it be finances, whatever it may be, this means that

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as long as we are law-abiding citizens, and as long as we seek the Kingdom first and his

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rights, since we are right standing with the government by being law-abiding citizens,

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then the King, since he owns everything and he owns everybody who was on earth, he can shift

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resources, wealth or riches to his citizenry whenever they need it. Now I guess a

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prime example of this is when the Messiah and Matthew 21, he was telling his students that

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it's time for me to be crucified essentially, and he told them that when you go to this certain place,

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go and unhook this coat from this donkey, and if anybody asks you, everybody says,

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well wait, what are you doing? That's my coat, that's my donkey. He tells them that the Lord

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has need of it, the Lord needs this, and right away they're going to send it to you.

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And so what that speaks to me regarding Kingdom Commonwealth is that within the Kingdom of Heaven,

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we don't own anything, but we have access to everything. And so what that means is that

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before the Messiah, before he was born, there was this man who was grooming this donkey,

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who was feeding this donkey, who was taking care of it every day, every month, every year,

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until it came time for the owner of it, the owner of that donkey, his Heavenly Father,

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said, my son, he needs this now to fulfill Zechariah 999, to fulfill prophecy. And so when it came to

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that point, I think that person realized that I was just meant to be a sublime steward and a

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magnificent manager over what the Kingdom of Heaven put under my managerial care. I didn't own this

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donkey, but the owner owns it and the owner needs it. And so that's what Kingdom Commonwealth is,

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is that both in the Kingdom is common, and King Yahweh the owner, he owns everything and everyone

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on earth. And so whatever we need and whatever moment he can call for because he owns it, he made

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that donkey, he made that coat, and he used his son to talk to his disciples, his students,

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and say now's the time for me to fulfill my mission and to die for your sins and to bring the Kingdom

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of Heaven back to earth. And this donkey is me fulfilling prophecy. And when you go ask him

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for it, tell him that the owner needs it. And so I feel like that, I pray that that's going to encourage

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somebody that if you're out there and you're listening and and you're going through like hard

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time struggling to make ends meet financially or you feel like you're always lacking something.

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I would just encourage you to, if you're not already a citizen, to want to become a citizen

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of this beautiful Kingdom called Heaven, and to know that within this Kingdom, the provision is

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army directional. It can come from any direction, not just your job, your nine to five or what you're

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doing on the side or whether you're a solopreneur or what have you, it can come from any any direction.

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And we see this all through our all through our scripture. And so I would like to encourage the

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listenership that will tune into this is that we serve the King who is doubly rich and doubly

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infinitely rich. He owns everything in Heaven and he owns everything on earth. And so as long as we

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come to him and put him in his Kingdom first, then we'll lack absolutely, positively nothing.

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Mm hmm. For sure. Amen. Yes. And so I pray that that that that that that's a blessing to somebody

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out there who's listening. I pray that that that that I guess maybe sharing my testimony and me

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sharing about the Kingdom and how the Kingdom is really how we through the Kingdom of Heaven,

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by being a citizen in the Kingdom of Heaven, being filled with the power of the Holy Spirit, it's

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really going to help us to make to make the world and ultimately a better place. And it's

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really going to help people to see that there is a Creator. There is a an ultimate God, ultimate

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Judge, a King who loves us and he wants us not to be stressed out, not not to worry, not to

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to listen and to believe the lies lies of Satan and the adversary, but to actually come back home,

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to come back and to enter into his Kingdom and our very lifetime within our very generation.

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I am reminded of Matthew 633. You mentioned it. Seek first the Kingdom and its righteousness

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and all these things will be added to you and use. You were seeking answers and you're like,

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I'm going to the Bible. Some people say the basic instructions before leaving earth.

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The one part and they may think Jesus is the one we need to go to first for answers. We were

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having a conversation at Christmas dinner and my niece, she's young and young. She was talking

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about this one topic and of course my mom being the grandparents, she just spills it. She's like,

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you shouldn't do that. But then I'm like, did you consider asking the Bible and seeing what the

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Bible says about that? And she's like, no, I didn't even think about that. And I'm like, yeah, this

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is like things that people don't generally think about, but it leads you to the right direction

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because you're like, oh my gosh, I've been going in the wrong direction this whole time. And then

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you got answers and that, you know, he discipled you, God discipled you personally and that's what

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he did for my husband as well. And, you know, because nobody came alongside him once he,

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you know, got baptized. I accepted Jesus and it was a congratulations handshake and then

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you're on your own. Good luck, you know. Wow. Cultivate away. And so mom stubborn and so is God

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and he got through to me and he continues to work in my life and the hardest ways possible for me

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because that's the way I learned. I can relate. But he led you both to the truth and

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him and when you were seeking that relationship, it opened up a plethora of knowledge and truths

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and it was life changing for both of you. That's right. Absolutely. I bet a lot of people weren't

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expecting that at the beginning. Like, oh, how's the Jehovah's Witness and I'm like, just just wait.

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Yes, yeah, it's, it's man like it's the journey has been so amazing and I always say Hollywood

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couldn't have written a better script. And I feel like the, the best story is told by our heavenly

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father. The best journeys are directed by him. The best testimonies are formed by him. And yeah,

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like there's, there's no better person to go to. But whenever we feel like we are just stuck or

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that we're losing in life in general, that who better to go to than the creator of life? Who

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better to go to than the manufacturer who created, who knows us, who knows how we work, who knows,

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who knows our thoughts, who knows how we think, how we move, who knows our secret motives, who knows,

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who knows our agenda when people can't see it, who better to go to than the one who is omniscient,

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who knows everything about us that maybe even our spouse may not even know. But the, but the king

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who formed us together in our mother's womb, he knows us so intimately who better to go to and

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to ask questions than the almighty King Yahweh. And so I'm the journey that, that he's given me.

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And I feel like I'm still on. It's blessing of an adventure. And you're like, I'll do the

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hardship, the ups and downs, the roller coaster ride that he took him, that I feel like I went

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through. I wouldn't change anything because I feel like it all worked together for our good.

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Anything he allows us to go through, he could turn that test into a testimony. He can make our

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message into our message. And I feel like that, I feel like that's what he wants to do with every,

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every single person who seeks him earnestly and who seeks him with the pure heart as well.

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For sure. What a difference it makes leaning into him.

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Life changing. Absolutely life changing. My life has,

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since I left the watch tower and since, since I've been reading the Bible in Hebrew and studying it.

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And yeah, my, and learning that, that the kingdom is here and that it's our existential reality.

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Yeah. My life has never been the same. It has been radically optimized in ways that, that I can,

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that I couldn't even dream up in my wildest imagination.

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I'm part of this group called Kingdom Seekers. There's an app and every January they do a 31

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day wisdom challenge. And so I've been part of it all this year. And Pedro Deo, he was talking about

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the third heaven authority. Basically there's actually a book written by Mike Thompson called

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third heaven authority. And he talks about when you're praying from that third heaven, like from

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the throne room of heaven, you're over the circumstances instead of praying from the

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circumstances in your earthly realm, like the first heaven. And like, it's like,

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depending on your perspective on where you pray from, it can like level up your prayer.

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So like if you're praying from your circumstances, it's like 30 times powerful than just doing nothing.

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But then when you pray from your third heaven authority, it's like 100xing it.

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And it just changes things. And I was thinking when you talked about God can change this change,

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he owns all the resources. And we went through 27 months of no and one week of no discernible

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income. And we didn't lose the house, the utilities, nothing and every we had an interruption in service,

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nothing. And God kept showing up. And we kept tithing on every single dollar that came into the

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house, every scrap, even it was $2 on 20 bucks. We just kept given because you can't out give God

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when he owns everything, he can make it come in. And right. Yeah, you know, we're ambassadors here.

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This isn't our home. So of course, God owns it. It doesn't belong to us. And so we shouldn't want

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to have this world. This isn't for us. This is this is for us to go and reach out and tell people

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of his word and of his son and of his deeds to give him glory. It's not supposed to be something I

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hold attachment to. And I'm very grateful that God manages the resources he gives to me because

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sometimes I can be an idiot. And I really need someone who knows what he's doing in charge of me.

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And I'm so very grateful that God is to have one. Yes, I want to give this kind of like a

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parable because I kind of like this will help people to understand all the more so what it's

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like to operate within the kingdom of heaven. And also I think operate from a kingdom mindset

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as well. And so I give this parable of the kingdom of heaven being like a millionaire

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who walks into a Walmart. And this millionaire, he he has money and he has millions. So he goes

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around and he buys whatever he wants, food, clothes, the latest and greatest electronics,

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whatever, whatever his heart desires, he buys all that stuff and with his money, with his credit card,

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with his finances. And he walks out the store and he goes back to his home. But then there's this

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second man who walks into the same Walmart and he has nothing within his pockets. He has no money.

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He's like, I mean, just just just broke as a joke. He's been late. He's been late all the

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late off the job. He got fired. The economy, it's been rough on him. And he goes and he's walking

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around the Walmart and he's looking looking at all the food and the rotisserie chicken and looking

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at the clothes and the big screen TVs. He's like, and he has faith that he said, like, man, you know,

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one day I'm going to be able to go back home to my family and provide this for them. But as he's

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walking out of the Walmart, he he encounters the owner of the Walmart. And the owner of the Walmart

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says to him, you know what? You've been coming to this store. And you've been just so nice and so

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respectful to everybody to the staff, to the new cashier, to the trainee, to the janitor, to everybody

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within the store. And we we watch you on our cameras. And you're just so faithful to this store. And

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you she were she everybody everybody was such love and such respect. I want to I want to do

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something for you and the owner reaches into his pocket and he pulls out this 24 seven access key

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card. And he gets it to the man and he says, you now have access to this Walmart 24 seven,

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no matter what happens, just use this card, it'll be it'll be open to you have access.

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And whatever you want to get for it, just just get it. But the man says, I don't have any any money

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though. I don't have I don't have a wallet. I have nothing I have a bank. I don't have anything. And

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the owner says, don't worry, it's all on the house. And the owner walks away. Out of that scenario,

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I would I would rather be not the millionaire. I would rather want to be the man who has that 24

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seven access card, because that's what the kingdom of happiness like in democracies in America.

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We spell wealth M O N E Y. But in the kingdom, wealth is wealth is spelled a C C S S access.

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And so being able to access what we need from the owner, our heavenly father, we are able to

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go to him whenever whenever we need to pray to him whenever we need to ask him whatever whatever

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we we want, whatever whatever we have, what's on our heart. And we are able to not just rely on

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America's economy, but we're able to rely on a far more superior economy called the economy of heaven,

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which the last time that I checked heaven, the economies of heaven has no recession,

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no bankruptcy. The stock market is not crashing. No inflation. It's always super abundant. It's

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always a thriving economy. And I believe that's what the kingdom of heaven is like. It's just

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like that man who got this 24 seven access card, and he can go and he can get whatever he wants,

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because the owner says, I'm covering you, I will provide for you. Just trust in me. That is what

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you have. Man is what I'm giving you. And everything that you need, everything that you

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everything that that needs to be provided to you, it will come from the owner. And that's what I

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feel like it's like living within the kingdom of heaven. We I feel most Christians miss out on that.

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And that's why we have the story of the prodigal son or the older brother that stayed behind

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feels some kind of way. But he actually had access the whole time. And he just didn't realize

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what he had. Wow. Wow. He was he was like a prisoner because he didn't know how to use the card he had.

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Wow, that is so true. That is so true. Wow.

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You know, I'm so very grateful to have you today. You are, you know, you've come from a lot. And I

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appreciate the discernment you used while going to the word. I appreciate that God spoke to you

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through the word and shifted your perspective enough to align yourself with Jesus. It's just

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an incredible journey. And it's not something that you could do alone that clearly God is behind

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you and inspirational for you. And the Holy Spirit is leaving you. Thank you for being on this show.

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Wow. Wow. Hallelujah. Pray I thank King Yahweh for you all. And I thank King Yahweh for for this

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beautiful podcast ministry that he has you are doing together. And that is my sincere prayer,

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key invitation that this podcast will continue to thrive and continue to be that beautiful

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invitation to him by people into the kingdom of heaven to enter into it. And I just I just thank

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you all that you allowed me to to speak and to share my heart and to share how good the king of

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heaven truly is. So thank you all so very much. I truly appreciate you all. Thank you, sir.

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