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Welcome to the God's goodness podcast where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's

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goodness and modern day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hengans. Today we have

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with us a special guest, Alina Delamadrid and she and I met on TikTok and she has a lot of cool

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content. If you want to get closer to Jesus, she has like some history that she's learning about

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and she shares it with you and it's really easily digestible and easy to understand. So anyway,

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you'd be blessed to follow her on the social medias and she's gonna start us off with an

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opening prayer though and thanks for being with us Alina. Thank you for having me and yeah,

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I'm really happy to be here. So we'll just pray. Lord, I just thank you so much for allowing us to

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meet and bringing us together as brothers and sisters in Christ and I just ask Lord that you

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would be with us and guide this conversation and draw the listeners closer to you and everything

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that they do. Let them know more of your heart and your love for them and yeah,

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just start this conversation in the direction you want to go. Lord, in your name we pray. Amen. Amen.

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So where would you like to start? I just wanted to really share my testimony and growing up Christian,

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growing up in a Christian household and eventually kind of coming to this point where I don't want

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to say deconstructed but that's kind of what happened because I think the connotation with

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deconstruction comes with like leaving the faith which I never did but it was more of like a literal

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sense of deconstructing what I believed and why I believed it and what it meant for my life. So yeah,

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that's kind of the direction I want to go and there was a point where things just really crumbled

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and I just learned to really trust in Jesus and look to him alone versus like man-made traditions

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and legalism and all that. So yeah, I grew up going to church and I think my parents for that,

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they're my whole family are believers and I grew up in a denomination called the Sundays of God and

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so we you know went to church every Sunday and did church camp and I've always loved Jesus and I

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that's something I'm very grateful for is that I've always had a relationship with him and not that

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I didn't have like those moments of rebellion but I've always wanted to please him and always

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wanted to of course like please my parents. So I had a good relationship in that sense with the Lord

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and with my parents but honestly like I hated going to church growing up. I hated just like the

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routine of it and I never felt connected at the church we were going to. So while I loved Jesus,

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I didn't love church. So but eventually we did move to a different church when I was in high

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school and it was much smaller and I think that's what I needed. I needed to be connected because

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going to church growing up it was more like we attended versus being connected like the church

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should be. So I was able to actually help with like the children's ministry and help on the worship

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team and feel connected with like people and having personal relationships. So that really I

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guess was a pivotal in my walk with God and as a believer because yeah it changed how I viewed

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church at the time. So from there yeah I ended up going to a Christian college and it was once

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again Assemblies of God which is the denomination of our first church and the reason why I'm

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specific about that denomination is because while within Christianity there are hundreds of

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thousands of different denominations you know some I feel like can kind of like miss a point on

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the doctrine and then it affects how you act and how you kind of see the world as a believer and

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what I noticed especially going to this college was there was just a really heavy emphasis on

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just legalism and I know that most Christians can relate with that and I think that's oftentimes

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what pushes Christians to deconstruct and oftentimes like sadly causes them to just completely

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walk away from it. Yeah so being at that college there are just certain things where I started

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to question like why are we doing this? Why you know why do we have to go to chapel every day and

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then if we don't then you know we're we get like a sign or something so because on that was actually

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one of the appeals of going to this college was just being able to go to chapel every day and

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having so many opportunities to serve and like be part of prayer ministries and community serving

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ministries but it almost became like this competition and socially like if you weren't

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involved then you were kind of looked at by your peers as not as good of a Christian or you know

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sometimes I feel like there is this impression that is that person even a Christian like they

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would have this um this like rumor or gossip that just floated around so at the time like me and my

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roommate were kind of she's one of my best friends and we we were just talking to each other about

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this and like we're just feeling the weight of loving Jesus but feeling like a failure because

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we just felt like we didn't measure up even though we were involved but it just became too much

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with trying to work and trying to go to school and all those things right and the involvement

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turning into a competition of sorts where are you putting Jesus first when you're trying to be

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first exactly yeah that's that seems like a very unhealthy environment surrounded by the moniker of

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Christ right right now you hit the nail on the head and on top of that you know there are just

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just things like for example and don't get me wrong because I'm not against rules like rules

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need to be in place but it would be kind of again replaced for the heart of the issue like for

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example dress code was a really big thing and there was one time where I was walking into

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chapel but was denied walking into chapel because my dress was quote unquote a little too short

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even though like from an objective standard I was totally fine it was because like the literal

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inch or like centimeter was off so stuff like that where they would be hyper legalistic and yeah

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it just it kind of just created an environment of feeling like this disconnect from the heart

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of God and his love yeah it sounds like it could be very challenging like what are we even doing

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here like God wouldn't stop me from coming to him why are you stopping me yeah exactly exactly

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right so stuff like that but it's kind of part of when I look at my story as a Christian I feel

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like this was kind of in the storyline of the conflict and this resolution that quote unquote

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came in was this family that I started babysitting for and they had actually also been a part of

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the Sambles of God and they kind of saw the same things they saw how legalism just like over

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over took the heart of the of being a Christian and specifically like at their church it was a

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mega church and there's just a lot of like focus on money and members versus actual people so they

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ended up leaving and started a house church and so once I met them it was almost like I saw it as

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like a god thing like oh this is fate that I met this family who also has maintained their faith

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and like stayed true to the Lord but they left like the institution and like all the man made laws

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and you know rules so it was very appealing and of course they were very very kind to me so yeah

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from this direction I just kind of want to talk about or I want to like segue into the topic of

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spiritual abuse because I've noticed that and I've you know listened to plenty of other testimonies

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where people who are in a vulnerable state like I was because I'm questioning or having doubts and

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trying to decipher what's true and what's not and what's of God and what's of man that's a very

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like vulnerable place to be because then people who are looking to manipulate will take advantage of

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that and so to kind of get to the end of the story before I go through the details this family or

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specifically like the dad I think that he saw that vulnerability in me and kind of use that as a way

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to abuse me so anyway long story short I ended up working for them full time after graduating from

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college and moved in with them and with spiritual abuse it starts off with a lot of grooming and

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for me it's really important to talk about this because I didn't know that this was possible and

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I know it sounds like naive but I was naive I didn't know that like people could be manipulative and

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could be looking out for themselves but under the guise that they care about you and so one

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ways that spiritual abuse or just in general manipulation happens is through love bombing

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and grooming and so we make you seem like you're the most important person in the world and we'll

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give you expensive gifts and make you think that you're very special to them and that's what that

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family did to me and at first it felt like it felt very sincere and I think that's where the

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deception comes in with manipulation is it's it has to feel sincere otherwise you can see through

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it and it felt like too much to handle almost at first like they they would give me like a Christmas

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bonus of like a hundred dollars just you know for babysitting and one of the things once I moved in

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with them the dad sent me on a thousand dollar shopping spree so things like that yeah and

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it just kind of like progressed that way where sometimes it'd be too much to

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like I wanted to be kind and accept the gifts but it felt it felt strange it felt like this is too

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much but obviously I thought it was kind of a place of care and love what I noticed is that with

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spiritual abuse then they have like a leverage on you once they have showered you with gifts and

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love and all these things so yeah with that it just it progressed into a lot of like well God

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is telling me to tell you XYZ and so that's where the spiritual aspect comes in is that they become

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like the the trumpet for God and like the voice piece for him for you and you know when I was just

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babysitting with the family it wasn't like this but it was after I moved in with them and this was

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actually during COVID so I was like major lockdown I was basically like an echo chamber with them

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living with them working for them as a part well full-time but part-time mani because they had

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six children at seven no six children at the time wow and she was pregnant yeah so no wonder she

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had some help yes yeah so and you're doing church with them too everything with them yes

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every literally everything eating dinner with them too so even when I was like not working

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I was still with them and so I became very very close to them which was also very easy for the

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manipulation to happen because you like whenever you're with someone all the time you become very

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close with them of course so yeah and I started to notice that the dad was pressuring me to it's

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kind of a long story to explain but him and his wife on their like deconstruction journey had a lot

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of like bitterness towards the church and especially with like modest evils and the wife she didn't

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wear a bra around in the house which you know I didn't really have a problem with especially

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since she had young children breastfeeding but um the dad was then pressuring me to also

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not feel like I have to wear a bra which was a very strange and specific thing

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um but he wanted he was using this in the rise of freedom and like stepping away from manmade

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church quote unquote traditions and that this is this is like a societal thing and

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God wants us to be free and like not have really concerned for for like our body when it's not

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necessary or like covering our body when it's not necessary so that's pretty creepy like

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like if if he was sincere why didn't he have his wife approach you exactly and and you know

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he gives us some like real Jim Jones kind of feel right he didn't have a lot of people but he had

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the one person like don't drink his kool-aid yep yeah for sure and something I kind of want to

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backtrack with that just for context is like when it comes to like being a believer I'm so adamant

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about fellowship and like gathering with our believers for this reason because they even though

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they had house church they would talk about how people would come to their house church but then

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they would leave and they would always point fingers at the people who left as if they did

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something wrong and they left but they never they never like saw that maybe they were the problem

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sometimes it's hard to see that you're the common denominator yeah it's me I'm the problem

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yeah and you know I of course because I love this family and you know was in their innermost

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circle and thought the very best of them it was hard for me to see at the time that oh they might

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have been the problem so with that yeah going back to accountability I think that's you know

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what's missing and lacking especially just in any cult like situation like you brought up Jim Jones

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there is like one man or one person who takes the stage and is able to control and manipulate a

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lot of people because no one's like counteracting him and usually with manipulators even if you do

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counteract them then they get rid of you are able to manipulate you again so you think you're the

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problem yes exactly they'll flip the script accuse you of the things that you're accusing them of

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exactly we should have very often in politics oh yeah oh yeah for sure yep so yeah which is

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interesting because when you really like break down manipulators in general it's like oh that's

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what salesmen do oh that's what politicians do like there's an actual structure to manipulation

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where it's like a science that somehow it's like the same pattern over and over again so yeah so

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with that um yeah the psychological thing trying to think where I left off oh yeah so with accountability

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and he was pressuring me to kind of follow in his wife's footsteps and do what she did because

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she was able to quote unquote like let go of all the legalism and man mate tradition because

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you know she's stepped out in like the modest or push the boundaries of the modesty standards and so

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with that on Wednesday nights at the house we would have prayers or prayer nights and

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those you know for me were fruitful but it was weird because almost every single time the dad would

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have a word for me from the Lord and or like an image come to his mind and it was usually like this

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image of something that was but was not yet like a caterpillar that was in a cocoon that wasn't quite

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yet a butterfly or like a flower that was closed and was struggling to open so kind of like implying

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that there was something that I needed to do to become like my full self and yeah yeah so it was

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like this self actualization saying where he would imply like oh you need to you know take a step out

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in faith in order to become this person or thing that you need to be and once again going back to

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manipulators is that when they want something from you they'll make you feel like you're deficient

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in something and because at the time like I was happy with who I was that I started to feel insecure

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with oh maybe I'm I'm not who I should be and he would compare me a lot to his wife and say like oh

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you and her you remind me so much of her before she became who she is now like you're kind of like

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this shell that needs to break open and you could be just like her and isn't my wife amazing like

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that she's so perfect don't you want to be like her so there is this comparison and of course because

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I looked up to her right it was weird because like logically I knew that I was fine who I am and like

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I don't want to be like her but because I love them and respected them I'm like yeah like I was

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kind of manipulating myself with like yeah wait I do want to be like her so anyway it took months

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but eventually you know through stuff like that where it was not explicit but very implicit with

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those prayer nights and like visions had he had for me that I decided to like okay maybe my next

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step is I do need to like take off my bra and not wear it underneath my clothes and just be comfortable

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in my skin but that was almost like a checklist for him to move on to the next boundary which then

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led to like it was summertime they had a pool and his wife I know I know it's gonna sound so crazy and so

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like from the outside perspective obvious that this is wrong but with all the circumstances

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it was hard not to see it or hard to see it yeah when you're in it it's different

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right yeah there's like a veil so she would swim nude during the summer and without any qualms just

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like take out take off your clothes and jump in the pool in front of the kids and there was one

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other family that would come for house church I just wanted a family and they had already kind of

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manipulated them too so like the wife and that family also was like in the same boat but what was

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weird is like the men didn't swim nude so like when I look back I'm like oh it's very clear that

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there was an agenda here for you know the men's sake and yeah so long story short the manipulation

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and I guess I want to say coercion from the the father led me to feel the pressure to swim

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me too so I ended up doing that and it just kept snowballing until he he would make advances and

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start saying more like things like oh you know you're so beautiful but he would say these things in

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front of his wife and family to make it not weird but it was still weird like you'd say oh you know

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you're you're so beautiful and you're you know you're stepping out more and who god wants you to be

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and yeah it just at the time even though it felt weird and it felt very uncomfortable I felt like

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I was doing what I was supposed to be doing I felt like I was obeying God and they were very heavy

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on like talking about you know like rejecting legalism but embracing faith but the way that

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they embraced faith was to do these things that God is asking them to do and looking back I'm like

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was this God or was this yourself or was this actually maybe a different spirit that was leading

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you guys to do these things so yeah with that it it just definitely wasn't the Holy Spirit leading

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them oh yeah for sure for sure and which is kind of scary because when I look at you know now that

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it's been almost four years since I was living with them I'm able to kind of see better like how

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I how the dad or husband he was able to deceive his wife because he is still kind of unclear but

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like was he deceived or was does he know that he was deceiving and I think it's both I think that

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he was deceived enough to like you know how to manipulate and then continue deceiving so yeah

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it's kind of sad to like think back in the wife situation because she I mean she's gonna do what

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her husband tells her to do and obviously it's it's difficult when you like you have a paradigm

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shift and like even if someone were to tell her like you know this was wrong she's not gonna see it

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because of her attachment to her husband and everything involved which is why you should love

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Jesus first so that attachment isn't blinding you exactly yeah and going back to like loving Jesus

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first it was interesting because they they seemed to have a close relationship with Jesus but what

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I've noticed is that they grossly took scripture out of context and at the time I read my Bible a

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lot but I felt like I wasn't equipped enough to like on that things that they would say or like

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then using scripture out of context so after I think one great thing that God did with that situation

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is it increased my love for the word and like really understanding it in context because

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that's what quotes will do or you know with spiritual abuse they'll take the Bible and just

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pick and pull what they want to fit their agenda like the Bible is a two-edged sword and it can be

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used the right way in the proper way with rightly dividing and understanding scripture or it can

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be used as a weapon and that's what they did but yeah so just to kind of sum up the story with them

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it eventually progressed where like the dad made a move on me and it was weird because it was in

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front of his family and it wasn't like it was very benign in the sense that like it was wrong enough

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that like I knew it was wrong he had touched my my thigh like we were sitting down placed his hand

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on my inner thigh and just like left it there and was like caressing my thigh but again in front of

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his family so after that I got a spoiler boy boys don't just do that oh right there's an agenda there

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that's not that's not sure there's nothing in it about that yeah but the weird part too was like my

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brain was not computing because like in that moment I was infuriated because I wanted to

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tell him like to move his hand but I didn't want to cause a scene and then also I was trying to

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justify in my head like oh maybe he doesn't know what his hand is and anyway after that incident

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he had messaged me that evening and said something about like I'm sorry if my affection is ever too

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much for you I just don't know how to express it for someone so great as you and again like no husband

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should be saying this to someone who's not his wife like the things he would say to me were not

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appropriate but that was another thing that he was trying to like him and his he was deceiving

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his wife about too was trying to like break these boundaries of appropriateness between men and women

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because that was you know according to him like societal versus what's actually godly and boundaries

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are godly between men and women but yeah he totally was trying to pervert scripture that way and

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take things out of context and yeah so I he texted me about that and I I used it as opportunities

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help him that I did not feel comfortable with that and like we talked about earlier he kind of flipped

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the script and was saying oh like you know I actually didn't realize that that would make you

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uncomfortable you know and he he said the same thing like I didn't know that my hand was right there

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and of course I like believe yeah like he knew yeah but of course I you know it you know and that's

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called gaslighting when they try to make you think that something's not true when it is true and you

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know I had said something about like you know the Holy Spirit made me you know through their red flags

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and the warnings inside of me and he's like well maybe that wasn't the Holy Spirit maybe that was

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just your cultural upbringing and he's like but either way you know I'm really sorry and so after

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that it was interesting because obviously the wife kind of snapped out of it when this kind of came

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up but she never apologized to me for like oh I'm sorry my husband did this to you or she actually

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like approached me in conversation and told me how she noticed that her husband was not giving her

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enough attention which was true but also like I asked and which was silly of me I shouldn't have

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asked like what if there was anything I could do to not be in the way but she was like she's like no

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the only thing you can do is just be more grateful to my husband for what he does for you and you

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know at the moment like okay but in my head I'm like what am I ever ungrateful I think I've I never

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asked for anything it sounds like she was groomed as well and he's doing things in front of them

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because she already knew the plan I don't think she was as innocent at all I think she was on board

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with it interesting yeah it's it's so hard to know for sure because it's like I want to think the best

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but I think that you're right there could be there probably has to be some level of denial

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if she wasn't on board and a level of complicitness yeah exactly and this I mean especially when you

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have so many children and at this point from what I know they have eight so you know they're increasing

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and yeah I think that when you have so many children you have to just kind of go along with

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you know whatever your husband's doing because what are you going to do if you want to step away

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from your husband and you don't agree with what he's doing and he doesn't want to change because

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again she didn't work she didn't have an income so she was left alone so you know there's just

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so many facets involved but yeah after I spoke up about that things did shift a little bit

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and a few months later is when I moved out of their house but I did leave on a good note with them

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until about a year later was when I started telling my story because I don't want to lie about the

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fact that like stepping out and embracing my body was beneficial for my like self-esteem

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but the way that it like went about was not appropriate and like I should have I wish I

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had known better to not have done that in front of the children and in front of the dad and if I

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was like you said earlier it should have been something between the mom and me and like

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her speaking to me about it and it could have looked totally different but still have to

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what the enemy does right he he doesn't tempt us with evil he tempts us with good yeah no that

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or rather better and we heard recently that better is the enemy of good yeah that's so well said

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yeah for sure I know that the enemy wants to make things look appealing and you know but there's

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there's a sinister side to it and so yeah anyway so I was telling friends and family like my story

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of living with them because again I still in my mind I had a great experience and there was one

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person who wasn't really like a close friend of mine but she she's the first person who said like

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oh no that was not right like what he did was definitely wrong and he shouldn't have done that

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but you know of course I tried to justify I'm like no no no like I think that he had good

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intentions blah blah blah and she's like um no and so that kind of stuck with me and then that's

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when the lord I don't know if you guys have heard of this other podcast called cultish

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and they have two episodes called tactics of manipulators and I listened to those two episodes

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and I broke down in tears because it finally clicked and I finally had a framework for what

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happened and it made sense I'm like oh okay so he can like people do pretend to be good and

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they have an agenda so that was really eye-opening to me but this and I really empathize with people

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who do end up in cults because it shatters your world when you realize that oh this person actually

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doesn't care about me okay and maybe I'm not saying they didn't fully but there was definitely more a

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level of an agenda versus like it was twisted it was a broken love yeah exactly so yeah it hurts

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because you don't want to believe it and but then you keep seeing then you have like a different

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framework for viewing how everything unfolded so I could all these memories were coming up and

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obviously it would take hours to go into every little detail of what he did and said and I was

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like there's nothing here that was not manipulative everything here was to simply coerce me to do what

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he wanted me to do and yeah it took it took time and I eventually had a conversation with him about

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it and things exploded because he thought that I was gonna he implied that I I was going to like

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take things to court and accuse him of sexual harassment which I wasn't at first because I

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still wanted to believe the best and I just told them like I I told them simply like I think you

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guys are off base and I don't think this is correct but they didn't want to receive it so yeah it was

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really sad because I did end up losing relationship with the whole family but that also proved to me

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that I was right when I saw the truth of it all so sorry that was so long winded no no no that's

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all right and and it reminds me of have you ever heard taking the Lord's name in vain right and a

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lot of people they think it's when you say Jesus's name and inappropriate situations or you say God's

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name followed by this uncommon last name that most people like to use the d-word and that it's probably

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part of it in a little bit but I think the greater scope of using his name in vain is when you do

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evil things and you say it's in the name of God I think that is taking his name in vain I think

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that is what he looks at us and says mm-hmm you're gonna suffer for hurting my children in my name

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you're gonna suffer for this and it's you're right I had a prophetic song and you know just

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reminding me that Jesus keeping the score he's keeping the score you don't have to harbor any

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ill will you don't have to harbor you got to waste any energy on unforgiveness because Jesus is

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keeping the score yeah no I'm so glad you said that too because you know for a long time I felt

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I felt really hurt and there was no way for me to like I don't want to say retaliate but like

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like for example like it just it's hard to like leave on an a note of thinking that the kids are

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probably being told lies about me because I had I had wonderful relationships with the children

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and now they have a twisted perspective and I have no idea what the parents are saying so

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it's taken me a long time to like just come to peace with like God will reveal all ironically I

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had a dream and this so this last interaction I'd had with them where I since we didn't we

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didn't live in the same city anymore it was through email and I had a dream and I I believe this is

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like one of the very few God dreams like from God and in the dream the children came up to me and

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they said Alina like we know the truth we know everything that happens but we can't speak about

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it right now because mom and dad are in the room and then the mom comes in and she gives me the

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cold shoulder and then the dad comes in and he has like this aura of shame and like he knows that

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he was long and but doesn't want to like admit it and so when I woke up from that dream I received

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like the final email from them or our last interaction and it confirmed to me that like

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I was still doubting at the time like what am I wrong about all this but it for sure confirmed

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to me that no like this this was true that there really was manipulation and but also I can trust

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that God will reveal the truth and he like he said he'll he keeps the score I don't have to

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and I don't have to vindicate myself I don't have to try to prove myself or make things right on my

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end because that'll be his job but yeah I wanted to kind of finish with saying like after that I

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felt very like broken because I didn't know who to trust I didn't know what to trust and

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understandably yeah like I it was sounds funny because I mean I was 22 or 21 and I feel like

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that's kind of late in life to learn that you can't trust everybody but you know I grew up with

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an loving family so I grew up like thinking the best of everybody but it was it was a lot of us like

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that yeah yeah I was kind of sad to realize like oh I can't trust everybody but yeah it brought me to

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honestly like I was kind of afraid to read my bible too like I I still kept the faith but I

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I was afraid of my own interpretation because I thought well if I could be manipulated who's

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to say I can't be manipulated again and shortly after that though was when I met Matt and

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God used Matt's my husband for listeners and that's God used him in a great way to kind of

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resolidify what it means to have or to have faith alone in Christ and just he's the one who like

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really helps me study the word and like gain context and know how to study it for context and

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yeah since then I feel so strengthened and encouraged and like I wish I could be this person

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who I am now and go back into that situation and like relive it but with the confidence I have now

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of faith alone in Christ alone and not allow like this deception temple because you know their

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perspective of salvation too was that their idea of faith was not faking Christ alone it was faith in

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being obedience and this like for example I can mean if I wasn't obedient to what God was telling

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me to do then was I really saved that's how they were seeing it and yeah obedience is is a large part

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of how our relationship with God is but it is not about our salvation because he's the only way

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is through Jesus not a part of obedience unto death that's that's what we do because we want to grow

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closer exactly that's his love language so if I want to show God love I'm obedient right that's

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because I'm cultivating that relationship right and you know I've just kind of put this the pieces

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together right now but I think that because I grew up in this denomination assembly of God

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there's a lot of emphasis like I talked about on legalism and obedience in the sense of like

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the the do's and don'ts and so I already had that foundation that like kind of wrong foundation

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in my head of like oh I need to be a good Christian but there it was like the same or the different

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side of the same coin with them it had less to do with like the legalistic things but more to do with

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like well God is saying do this but like from their whatever spirit they were listening to or just

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their own head so ironically it was the same works-based mentality but just from a different

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perspective so yeah I'm just so thankful that God brought me out of that but at the same time

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I know that he allowed me to go through that so that I could have this

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a like experience to know what manipulation is and to then share it with others because like I

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said I didn't know what it looked like and then b obviously to just love God more and love Jesus

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more because it's all about him and what he's done for us nothing that we can do for our salvation

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and his love is so great so deep so wide but yeah and it's it's growing my love for the word of God

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now to just know it more and more and more to not be deceived so yeah wow what a story

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yeah I'm sorry that it was so long but no no it was good very multi-concerned yeah it had a lot to

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it and you know it's incredible that we aren't naive and yet somehow we are naive when it comes to

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people that we let in through a common door right so they love Jesus you love Jesus so it was why

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would they hurt you why would they be that person you know why would you like even if you were raised

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on the street you would have fallen for something like that yeah yeah yeah I think that's an important

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point to make that like just because someone claims the name of Jesus or says that they're

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Christian it's still important to like discern what do they actually believe about Jesus

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and you know what you know comes down to the belief for sure yeah well thank you for taking

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your the time out of your day to share this with us I hope that it God leads this to the right person

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they might be actually in the middle of it right now and they might be having an aha moment like

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wait a minute here this seems really similar and maybe they could snap them out of it yeah yeah and

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then for even for those who like never or haven't gone through a situation like this or never will

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I think what comes down to is like it's so easy it goes to show like how easy it is to be deceived

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if you aren't like very secure in a your salvation through faith alone in crexilla and in the word so

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I'm always advocating like read the word read the word don't be don't be misled

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yeah thank you for having me and and for letting me share this yeah well we're gonna put the link

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