Welcome to the God's goodness podcast where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's
goodness and modern day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hengans. Today we have
with us a special guest, Alina Delamadrid and she and I met on TikTok and she has a lot of cool
content. If you want to get closer to Jesus, she has like some history that she's learning about
and she shares it with you and it's really easily digestible and easy to understand. So anyway,
you'd be blessed to follow her on the social medias and she's gonna start us off with an
opening prayer though and thanks for being with us Alina. Thank you for having me and yeah,
I'm really happy to be here. So we'll just pray. Lord, I just thank you so much for allowing us to
meet and bringing us together as brothers and sisters in Christ and I just ask Lord that you
would be with us and guide this conversation and draw the listeners closer to you and everything
that they do. Let them know more of your heart and your love for them and yeah,
just start this conversation in the direction you want to go. Lord, in your name we pray. Amen. Amen.
So where would you like to start? I just wanted to really share my testimony and growing up Christian,
growing up in a Christian household and eventually kind of coming to this point where I don't want
to say deconstructed but that's kind of what happened because I think the connotation with
deconstruction comes with like leaving the faith which I never did but it was more of like a literal
sense of deconstructing what I believed and why I believed it and what it meant for my life. So yeah,
that's kind of the direction I want to go and there was a point where things just really crumbled
and I just learned to really trust in Jesus and look to him alone versus like man-made traditions
and legalism and all that. So yeah, I grew up going to church and I think my parents for that,
they're my whole family are believers and I grew up in a denomination called the Sundays of God and
so we you know went to church every Sunday and did church camp and I've always loved Jesus and I
that's something I'm very grateful for is that I've always had a relationship with him and not that
I didn't have like those moments of rebellion but I've always wanted to please him and always
wanted to of course like please my parents. So I had a good relationship in that sense with the Lord
and with my parents but honestly like I hated going to church growing up. I hated just like the
routine of it and I never felt connected at the church we were going to. So while I loved Jesus,
I didn't love church. So but eventually we did move to a different church when I was in high
school and it was much smaller and I think that's what I needed. I needed to be connected because
going to church growing up it was more like we attended versus being connected like the church
should be. So I was able to actually help with like the children's ministry and help on the worship
team and feel connected with like people and having personal relationships. So that really I
guess was a pivotal in my walk with God and as a believer because yeah it changed how I viewed
church at the time. So from there yeah I ended up going to a Christian college and it was once
again Assemblies of God which is the denomination of our first church and the reason why I'm
specific about that denomination is because while within Christianity there are hundreds of
thousands of different denominations you know some I feel like can kind of like miss a point on
the doctrine and then it affects how you act and how you kind of see the world as a believer and
what I noticed especially going to this college was there was just a really heavy emphasis on
just legalism and I know that most Christians can relate with that and I think that's oftentimes
what pushes Christians to deconstruct and oftentimes like sadly causes them to just completely
walk away from it. Yeah so being at that college there are just certain things where I started
to question like why are we doing this? Why you know why do we have to go to chapel every day and
then if we don't then you know we're we get like a sign or something so because on that was actually
one of the appeals of going to this college was just being able to go to chapel every day and
having so many opportunities to serve and like be part of prayer ministries and community serving
ministries but it almost became like this competition and socially like if you weren't
involved then you were kind of looked at by your peers as not as good of a Christian or you know
sometimes I feel like there is this impression that is that person even a Christian like they
would have this um this like rumor or gossip that just floated around so at the time like me and my
roommate were kind of she's one of my best friends and we we were just talking to each other about
this and like we're just feeling the weight of loving Jesus but feeling like a failure because
we just felt like we didn't measure up even though we were involved but it just became too much
with trying to work and trying to go to school and all those things right and the involvement
turning into a competition of sorts where are you putting Jesus first when you're trying to be
first exactly yeah that's that seems like a very unhealthy environment surrounded by the moniker of
Christ right right now you hit the nail on the head and on top of that you know there are just
just things like for example and don't get me wrong because I'm not against rules like rules
need to be in place but it would be kind of again replaced for the heart of the issue like for
example dress code was a really big thing and there was one time where I was walking into
chapel but was denied walking into chapel because my dress was quote unquote a little too short
even though like from an objective standard I was totally fine it was because like the literal
inch or like centimeter was off so stuff like that where they would be hyper legalistic and yeah
it just it kind of just created an environment of feeling like this disconnect from the heart
of God and his love yeah it sounds like it could be very challenging like what are we even doing
here like God wouldn't stop me from coming to him why are you stopping me yeah exactly exactly
right so stuff like that but it's kind of part of when I look at my story as a Christian I feel
like this was kind of in the storyline of the conflict and this resolution that quote unquote
came in was this family that I started babysitting for and they had actually also been a part of
the Sambles of God and they kind of saw the same things they saw how legalism just like over
over took the heart of the of being a Christian and specifically like at their church it was a
mega church and there's just a lot of like focus on money and members versus actual people so they
ended up leaving and started a house church and so once I met them it was almost like I saw it as
like a god thing like oh this is fate that I met this family who also has maintained their faith
and like stayed true to the Lord but they left like the institution and like all the man made laws
and you know rules so it was very appealing and of course they were very very kind to me so yeah
from this direction I just kind of want to talk about or I want to like segue into the topic of
spiritual abuse because I've noticed that and I've you know listened to plenty of other testimonies
where people who are in a vulnerable state like I was because I'm questioning or having doubts and
trying to decipher what's true and what's not and what's of God and what's of man that's a very
like vulnerable place to be because then people who are looking to manipulate will take advantage of
that and so to kind of get to the end of the story before I go through the details this family or
specifically like the dad I think that he saw that vulnerability in me and kind of use that as a way
to abuse me so anyway long story short I ended up working for them full time after graduating from
college and moved in with them and with spiritual abuse it starts off with a lot of grooming and
for me it's really important to talk about this because I didn't know that this was possible and
I know it sounds like naive but I was naive I didn't know that like people could be manipulative and
could be looking out for themselves but under the guise that they care about you and so one
ways that spiritual abuse or just in general manipulation happens is through love bombing
and grooming and so we make you seem like you're the most important person in the world and we'll
give you expensive gifts and make you think that you're very special to them and that's what that
family did to me and at first it felt like it felt very sincere and I think that's where the
deception comes in with manipulation is it's it has to feel sincere otherwise you can see through
it and it felt like too much to handle almost at first like they they would give me like a Christmas
bonus of like a hundred dollars just you know for babysitting and one of the things once I moved in
with them the dad sent me on a thousand dollar shopping spree so things like that yeah and
it just kind of like progressed that way where sometimes it'd be too much to
like I wanted to be kind and accept the gifts but it felt it felt strange it felt like this is too
much but obviously I thought it was kind of a place of care and love what I noticed is that with
spiritual abuse then they have like a leverage on you once they have showered you with gifts and
love and all these things so yeah with that it just it progressed into a lot of like well God
is telling me to tell you XYZ and so that's where the spiritual aspect comes in is that they become
like the the trumpet for God and like the voice piece for him for you and you know when I was just
babysitting with the family it wasn't like this but it was after I moved in with them and this was
actually during COVID so I was like major lockdown I was basically like an echo chamber with them
living with them working for them as a part well full-time but part-time mani because they had
six children at seven no six children at the time wow and she was pregnant yeah so no wonder she
had some help yes yeah so and you're doing church with them too everything with them yes
every literally everything eating dinner with them too so even when I was like not working
I was still with them and so I became very very close to them which was also very easy for the
manipulation to happen because you like whenever you're with someone all the time you become very
close with them of course so yeah and I started to notice that the dad was pressuring me to it's
kind of a long story to explain but him and his wife on their like deconstruction journey had a lot
of like bitterness towards the church and especially with like modest evils and the wife she didn't
wear a bra around in the house which you know I didn't really have a problem with especially
since she had young children breastfeeding but um the dad was then pressuring me to also
not feel like I have to wear a bra which was a very strange and specific thing
um but he wanted he was using this in the rise of freedom and like stepping away from manmade
church quote unquote traditions and that this is this is like a societal thing and
God wants us to be free and like not have really concerned for for like our body when it's not
necessary or like covering our body when it's not necessary so that's pretty creepy like
like if if he was sincere why didn't he have his wife approach you exactly and and you know
he gives us some like real Jim Jones kind of feel right he didn't have a lot of people but he had
the one person like don't drink his kool-aid yep yeah for sure and something I kind of want to
backtrack with that just for context is like when it comes to like being a believer I'm so adamant
about fellowship and like gathering with our believers for this reason because they even though
they had house church they would talk about how people would come to their house church but then
they would leave and they would always point fingers at the people who left as if they did
something wrong and they left but they never they never like saw that maybe they were the problem
sometimes it's hard to see that you're the common denominator yeah it's me I'm the problem
yeah and you know I of course because I love this family and you know was in their innermost
circle and thought the very best of them it was hard for me to see at the time that oh they might
have been the problem so with that yeah going back to accountability I think that's you know
what's missing and lacking especially just in any cult like situation like you brought up Jim Jones
there is like one man or one person who takes the stage and is able to control and manipulate a
lot of people because no one's like counteracting him and usually with manipulators even if you do
counteract them then they get rid of you are able to manipulate you again so you think you're the
problem yes exactly they'll flip the script accuse you of the things that you're accusing them of
exactly we should have very often in politics oh yeah oh yeah for sure yep so yeah which is
interesting because when you really like break down manipulators in general it's like oh that's
what salesmen do oh that's what politicians do like there's an actual structure to manipulation
where it's like a science that somehow it's like the same pattern over and over again so yeah so
with that um yeah the psychological thing trying to think where I left off oh yeah so with accountability
and he was pressuring me to kind of follow in his wife's footsteps and do what she did because
she was able to quote unquote like let go of all the legalism and man mate tradition because
you know she's stepped out in like the modest or push the boundaries of the modesty standards and so
with that on Wednesday nights at the house we would have prayers or prayer nights and
those you know for me were fruitful but it was weird because almost every single time the dad would
have a word for me from the Lord and or like an image come to his mind and it was usually like this
image of something that was but was not yet like a caterpillar that was in a cocoon that wasn't quite
yet a butterfly or like a flower that was closed and was struggling to open so kind of like implying
that there was something that I needed to do to become like my full self and yeah yeah so it was
like this self actualization saying where he would imply like oh you need to you know take a step out
in faith in order to become this person or thing that you need to be and once again going back to
manipulators is that when they want something from you they'll make you feel like you're deficient
in something and because at the time like I was happy with who I was that I started to feel insecure
with oh maybe I'm I'm not who I should be and he would compare me a lot to his wife and say like oh
you and her you remind me so much of her before she became who she is now like you're kind of like
this shell that needs to break open and you could be just like her and isn't my wife amazing like
that she's so perfect don't you want to be like her so there is this comparison and of course because
I looked up to her right it was weird because like logically I knew that I was fine who I am and like
I don't want to be like her but because I love them and respected them I'm like yeah like I was
kind of manipulating myself with like yeah wait I do want to be like her so anyway it took months
but eventually you know through stuff like that where it was not explicit but very implicit with
those prayer nights and like visions had he had for me that I decided to like okay maybe my next
step is I do need to like take off my bra and not wear it underneath my clothes and just be comfortable
in my skin but that was almost like a checklist for him to move on to the next boundary which then
led to like it was summertime they had a pool and his wife I know I know it's gonna sound so crazy and so
like from the outside perspective obvious that this is wrong but with all the circumstances
it was hard not to see it or hard to see it yeah when you're in it it's different
right yeah there's like a veil so she would swim nude during the summer and without any qualms just
like take out take off your clothes and jump in the pool in front of the kids and there was one
other family that would come for house church I just wanted a family and they had already kind of
manipulated them too so like the wife and that family also was like in the same boat but what was
weird is like the men didn't swim nude so like when I look back I'm like oh it's very clear that
there was an agenda here for you know the men's sake and yeah so long story short the manipulation
and I guess I want to say coercion from the the father led me to feel the pressure to swim
me too so I ended up doing that and it just kept snowballing until he he would make advances and
start saying more like things like oh you know you're so beautiful but he would say these things in
front of his wife and family to make it not weird but it was still weird like you'd say oh you know
you're you're so beautiful and you're you know you're stepping out more and who god wants you to be
and yeah it just at the time even though it felt weird and it felt very uncomfortable I felt like
I was doing what I was supposed to be doing I felt like I was obeying God and they were very heavy
on like talking about you know like rejecting legalism but embracing faith but the way that
they embraced faith was to do these things that God is asking them to do and looking back I'm like
was this God or was this yourself or was this actually maybe a different spirit that was leading
you guys to do these things so yeah with that it it just definitely wasn't the Holy Spirit leading
them oh yeah for sure for sure and which is kind of scary because when I look at you know now that
it's been almost four years since I was living with them I'm able to kind of see better like how
I how the dad or husband he was able to deceive his wife because he is still kind of unclear but
like was he deceived or was does he know that he was deceiving and I think it's both I think that
he was deceived enough to like you know how to manipulate and then continue deceiving so yeah
it's kind of sad to like think back in the wife situation because she I mean she's gonna do what
her husband tells her to do and obviously it's it's difficult when you like you have a paradigm
shift and like even if someone were to tell her like you know this was wrong she's not gonna see it
because of her attachment to her husband and everything involved which is why you should love
Jesus first so that attachment isn't blinding you exactly yeah and going back to like loving Jesus
first it was interesting because they they seemed to have a close relationship with Jesus but what
I've noticed is that they grossly took scripture out of context and at the time I read my Bible a
lot but I felt like I wasn't equipped enough to like on that things that they would say or like
then using scripture out of context so after I think one great thing that God did with that situation
is it increased my love for the word and like really understanding it in context because
that's what quotes will do or you know with spiritual abuse they'll take the Bible and just
pick and pull what they want to fit their agenda like the Bible is a two-edged sword and it can be
used the right way in the proper way with rightly dividing and understanding scripture or it can
be used as a weapon and that's what they did but yeah so just to kind of sum up the story with them
it eventually progressed where like the dad made a move on me and it was weird because it was in
front of his family and it wasn't like it was very benign in the sense that like it was wrong enough
that like I knew it was wrong he had touched my my thigh like we were sitting down placed his hand
on my inner thigh and just like left it there and was like caressing my thigh but again in front of
his family so after that I got a spoiler boy boys don't just do that oh right there's an agenda there
that's not that's not sure there's nothing in it about that yeah but the weird part too was like my
brain was not computing because like in that moment I was infuriated because I wanted to
tell him like to move his hand but I didn't want to cause a scene and then also I was trying to
justify in my head like oh maybe he doesn't know what his hand is and anyway after that incident
he had messaged me that evening and said something about like I'm sorry if my affection is ever too
much for you I just don't know how to express it for someone so great as you and again like no husband
should be saying this to someone who's not his wife like the things he would say to me were not
appropriate but that was another thing that he was trying to like him and his he was deceiving
his wife about too was trying to like break these boundaries of appropriateness between men and women
because that was you know according to him like societal versus what's actually godly and boundaries
are godly between men and women but yeah he totally was trying to pervert scripture that way and
take things out of context and yeah so I he texted me about that and I I used it as opportunities
help him that I did not feel comfortable with that and like we talked about earlier he kind of flipped
the script and was saying oh like you know I actually didn't realize that that would make you
uncomfortable you know and he he said the same thing like I didn't know that my hand was right there
and of course I like believe yeah like he knew yeah but of course I you know it you know and that's
called gaslighting when they try to make you think that something's not true when it is true and you
know I had said something about like you know the Holy Spirit made me you know through their red flags
and the warnings inside of me and he's like well maybe that wasn't the Holy Spirit maybe that was
just your cultural upbringing and he's like but either way you know I'm really sorry and so after
that it was interesting because obviously the wife kind of snapped out of it when this kind of came
up but she never apologized to me for like oh I'm sorry my husband did this to you or she actually
like approached me in conversation and told me how she noticed that her husband was not giving her
enough attention which was true but also like I asked and which was silly of me I shouldn't have
asked like what if there was anything I could do to not be in the way but she was like she's like no
the only thing you can do is just be more grateful to my husband for what he does for you and you
know at the moment like okay but in my head I'm like what am I ever ungrateful I think I've I never
asked for anything it sounds like she was groomed as well and he's doing things in front of them
because she already knew the plan I don't think she was as innocent at all I think she was on board
with it interesting yeah it's it's so hard to know for sure because it's like I want to think the best
but I think that you're right there could be there probably has to be some level of denial
if she wasn't on board and a level of complicitness yeah exactly and this I mean especially when you
have so many children and at this point from what I know they have eight so you know they're increasing
and yeah I think that when you have so many children you have to just kind of go along with
you know whatever your husband's doing because what are you going to do if you want to step away
from your husband and you don't agree with what he's doing and he doesn't want to change because
again she didn't work she didn't have an income so she was left alone so you know there's just
so many facets involved but yeah after I spoke up about that things did shift a little bit
and a few months later is when I moved out of their house but I did leave on a good note with them
until about a year later was when I started telling my story because I don't want to lie about the
fact that like stepping out and embracing my body was beneficial for my like self-esteem
but the way that it like went about was not appropriate and like I should have I wish I
had known better to not have done that in front of the children and in front of the dad and if I
was like you said earlier it should have been something between the mom and me and like
her speaking to me about it and it could have looked totally different but still have to
what the enemy does right he he doesn't tempt us with evil he tempts us with good yeah no that
or rather better and we heard recently that better is the enemy of good yeah that's so well said
yeah for sure I know that the enemy wants to make things look appealing and you know but there's
there's a sinister side to it and so yeah anyway so I was telling friends and family like my story
of living with them because again I still in my mind I had a great experience and there was one
person who wasn't really like a close friend of mine but she she's the first person who said like
oh no that was not right like what he did was definitely wrong and he shouldn't have done that
but you know of course I tried to justify I'm like no no no like I think that he had good
intentions blah blah blah and she's like um no and so that kind of stuck with me and then that's
when the lord I don't know if you guys have heard of this other podcast called cultish
and they have two episodes called tactics of manipulators and I listened to those two episodes
and I broke down in tears because it finally clicked and I finally had a framework for what
happened and it made sense I'm like oh okay so he can like people do pretend to be good and
they have an agenda so that was really eye-opening to me but this and I really empathize with people
who do end up in cults because it shatters your world when you realize that oh this person actually
doesn't care about me okay and maybe I'm not saying they didn't fully but there was definitely more a
level of an agenda versus like it was twisted it was a broken love yeah exactly so yeah it hurts
because you don't want to believe it and but then you keep seeing then you have like a different
framework for viewing how everything unfolded so I could all these memories were coming up and
obviously it would take hours to go into every little detail of what he did and said and I was
like there's nothing here that was not manipulative everything here was to simply coerce me to do what
he wanted me to do and yeah it took it took time and I eventually had a conversation with him about
it and things exploded because he thought that I was gonna he implied that I I was going to like
take things to court and accuse him of sexual harassment which I wasn't at first because I
still wanted to believe the best and I just told them like I I told them simply like I think you
guys are off base and I don't think this is correct but they didn't want to receive it so yeah it was
really sad because I did end up losing relationship with the whole family but that also proved to me
that I was right when I saw the truth of it all so sorry that was so long winded no no no that's
all right and and it reminds me of have you ever heard taking the Lord's name in vain right and a
lot of people they think it's when you say Jesus's name and inappropriate situations or you say God's
name followed by this uncommon last name that most people like to use the d-word and that it's probably
part of it in a little bit but I think the greater scope of using his name in vain is when you do
evil things and you say it's in the name of God I think that is taking his name in vain I think
that is what he looks at us and says mm-hmm you're gonna suffer for hurting my children in my name
you're gonna suffer for this and it's you're right I had a prophetic song and you know just
reminding me that Jesus keeping the score he's keeping the score you don't have to harbor any
ill will you don't have to harbor you got to waste any energy on unforgiveness because Jesus is
keeping the score yeah no I'm so glad you said that too because you know for a long time I felt
I felt really hurt and there was no way for me to like I don't want to say retaliate but like
like for example like it just it's hard to like leave on an a note of thinking that the kids are
probably being told lies about me because I had I had wonderful relationships with the children
and now they have a twisted perspective and I have no idea what the parents are saying so
it's taken me a long time to like just come to peace with like God will reveal all ironically I
had a dream and this so this last interaction I'd had with them where I since we didn't we
didn't live in the same city anymore it was through email and I had a dream and I I believe this is
like one of the very few God dreams like from God and in the dream the children came up to me and
they said Alina like we know the truth we know everything that happens but we can't speak about
it right now because mom and dad are in the room and then the mom comes in and she gives me the
cold shoulder and then the dad comes in and he has like this aura of shame and like he knows that
he was long and but doesn't want to like admit it and so when I woke up from that dream I received
like the final email from them or our last interaction and it confirmed to me that like
I was still doubting at the time like what am I wrong about all this but it for sure confirmed
to me that no like this this was true that there really was manipulation and but also I can trust
that God will reveal the truth and he like he said he'll he keeps the score I don't have to
and I don't have to vindicate myself I don't have to try to prove myself or make things right on my
end because that'll be his job but yeah I wanted to kind of finish with saying like after that I
felt very like broken because I didn't know who to trust I didn't know what to trust and
understandably yeah like I it was sounds funny because I mean I was 22 or 21 and I feel like
that's kind of late in life to learn that you can't trust everybody but you know I grew up with
an loving family so I grew up like thinking the best of everybody but it was it was a lot of us like
that yeah yeah I was kind of sad to realize like oh I can't trust everybody but yeah it brought me to
honestly like I was kind of afraid to read my bible too like I I still kept the faith but I
I was afraid of my own interpretation because I thought well if I could be manipulated who's
to say I can't be manipulated again and shortly after that though was when I met Matt and
God used Matt's my husband for listeners and that's God used him in a great way to kind of
resolidify what it means to have or to have faith alone in Christ and just he's the one who like
really helps me study the word and like gain context and know how to study it for context and
yeah since then I feel so strengthened and encouraged and like I wish I could be this person
who I am now and go back into that situation and like relive it but with the confidence I have now
of faith alone in Christ alone and not allow like this deception temple because you know their
perspective of salvation too was that their idea of faith was not faking Christ alone it was faith in
being obedience and this like for example I can mean if I wasn't obedient to what God was telling
me to do then was I really saved that's how they were seeing it and yeah obedience is is a large part
of how our relationship with God is but it is not about our salvation because he's the only way
is through Jesus not a part of obedience unto death that's that's what we do because we want to grow
closer exactly that's his love language so if I want to show God love I'm obedient right that's
because I'm cultivating that relationship right and you know I've just kind of put this the pieces
together right now but I think that because I grew up in this denomination assembly of God
there's a lot of emphasis like I talked about on legalism and obedience in the sense of like
the the do's and don'ts and so I already had that foundation that like kind of wrong foundation
in my head of like oh I need to be a good Christian but there it was like the same or the different
side of the same coin with them it had less to do with like the legalistic things but more to do with
like well God is saying do this but like from their whatever spirit they were listening to or just
their own head so ironically it was the same works-based mentality but just from a different
perspective so yeah I'm just so thankful that God brought me out of that but at the same time
I know that he allowed me to go through that so that I could have this
a like experience to know what manipulation is and to then share it with others because like I
said I didn't know what it looked like and then b obviously to just love God more and love Jesus
more because it's all about him and what he's done for us nothing that we can do for our salvation
and his love is so great so deep so wide but yeah and it's it's growing my love for the word of God
now to just know it more and more and more to not be deceived so yeah wow what a story
yeah I'm sorry that it was so long but no no it was good very multi-concerned yeah it had a lot to
it and you know it's incredible that we aren't naive and yet somehow we are naive when it comes to
people that we let in through a common door right so they love Jesus you love Jesus so it was why
would they hurt you why would they be that person you know why would you like even if you were raised
on the street you would have fallen for something like that yeah yeah yeah I think that's an important
point to make that like just because someone claims the name of Jesus or says that they're
Christian it's still important to like discern what do they actually believe about Jesus
and you know what you know comes down to the belief for sure yeah well thank you for taking
your the time out of your day to share this with us I hope that it God leads this to the right person
they might be actually in the middle of it right now and they might be having an aha moment like
wait a minute here this seems really similar and maybe they could snap them out of it yeah yeah and
then for even for those who like never or haven't gone through a situation like this or never will
I think what comes down to is like it's so easy it goes to show like how easy it is to be deceived
if you aren't like very secure in a your salvation through faith alone in crexilla and in the word so
I'm always advocating like read the word read the word don't be don't be misled
yeah thank you for having me and and for letting me share this yeah well we're gonna put the link
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