Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's
goodness in modern-day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hankins. Today we have
with us a special guest. We met through TikTok and her name is Lisa Pugh and let me tell
you Lisa loves Jesus and Jesus loves Lisa and Lisa prayed and asked the Holy Spirit
on what she should share about today and we know that God speaks to everybody in every
episode. So we pray that you're blessed by this episode. We're going to have Lisa open
us up with an opening prayer and then we'll get into it.
Thank you so much. Let's pray. Dear Lord, I just thank you so much for the opportunity
to talk to my friend Shelley today, God. I thank you for the many ways that you bless
us and thank you that we are able to read and comprehend and hide your words in our
heart. God, I ask you today to just speak through us and touch the lives of those around us.
I thank you so much for the way that you will use this podcast to reach people and change
lives and change hearts. And I ask all these things in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Thank you
for that. Thank you. So where would you like to start, Lisa?
So after praying about it for a while and I actually had the opportunity to serve in
a newer women's ministry, which is crazy because I live kind of out in the country and there's
not a whole lot of things close to me, but this women's ministry actually opened up in
its 15 minutes from my house. Yes. And so it is a women's addiction recovery home. And
so it's a 12 month program and it's a smaller home out in the country and there's just some
good Jesus living people that opened it up. And I have had the opportunity to go there
once every week. They have me on their calendar and we sometimes we do some stretching and
light exercise things. And sometimes we just sit in a circle on the floor and talk about
what's going on and how God has blessed us. So I actually was able to share my thoughts
about what I was going to talk about today with them yesterday. Oh, great. And yes, it
was such a great conversation, but it's all about learning to surrender the control of
our minds and our emotions to the Holy Spirit. That's yes. You want to renew that month every
day. Yes. And you know, I think it's a whole lifelong process of learning to lay down different
parts of ourselves to fully surrender. And sometimes, you know, that's it's a lot of
times it's not just a one time thing, especially in my case, I've had I'm a planner and you
know, I think moms we do this. We like to have everything lined up just so and unfortunately
life doesn't usually line up with our plans. Yeah, sometimes we forgot we forget to tell
our husbands our plans. Yes. Yes. Wonder why he's not following the thing in my head.
The plan. I know. I know. And so, you know, I think I've had to learn that is, you know,
I just have to give all control. And one thing I've learned through this particular season
in life is that I may not be able to control what's going on around me or with people around
me, but I can control how I react to that. And that's only by allowing the Holy Spirit
to do that for me because it's not by my own strength because like if you know, if Lisa's
in charge of it usually doesn't go that well. So I need Jesus to come in and be like, Yeah,
let me handle that. For sure. Yes. And it's not like a daily thing. I was thinking it's
like it throughout the day to have the renewing of your mind because there's so many things
external factors that can get you off track and get you in a funk. Yes. And I've noticed
that too. And I've also noticed the Bible has some really good life principles. And
it's funny to me because like we study and we memorize scripture and like we know scripture.
And then when we actually apply it, we're like, Oh yeah. Wow. Look at that. You know,
yeah, it's kind of like a dull moment. You know, yeah, wisdom is knowledge applied. Yes.
And so I've learned that now. One thing I was thinking about is, you know, we are supposed
to emulate Jesus and we are supposed to surrender like he did. And he, you know, I think it's
in John might be in chapter 10 where he's saying like, you know, nobody took my life
from me. I laid it down. You know, he surrendered his life for our lives as a ransom for many.
So we in that same way have to model Jesus by surrendering all of us. And that, you know,
our thought life. I mean, a lot of times that's where the enemy comes in and tries to attack
is in our thought life. Plants of seeds. Yes. Exactly. Or, you know, tries to put like a
root of bitterness in, amplify an offense or, I mean, and those things like that's serious.
And then, you know, we as women, a lot of times are so much more emotional. True. And
you know, if you want to practice, you know, being a strong woman, you can kind of take
that on almost like a, like an anti biblical stance. Like I'm a woman. I don't need a man.
I mean, like that kind of thing. Like I, you know, and that's not a biblical way to approach
things because, you know, men are needed and women are needed. And even though we have
equal value, we do have different important roles. But, you know, I think a lot of that
can get misconstrued. A lot of like feminism can come in and say, I'm a woman, but I won't
show you my emotions or I won't, you know, do all these things. And that's really the
not, not the right way to look at it either. Right. Like in what way does that mean you're
you're a woman by stifling it? How does that define womanhood? Right. I know. And it's so
unhealthy, you know, I was thinking about this. So I watch a lot of sermons and things
on YouTube. And even when I'm just doing things around the house or, you know, I like to just
have something always playing in the background. And so, you know, I'll stop and write a note
if, if I hear something particularly that, you know, applies to me, but I saw something
that came up on my YouTube feed and I had not looked up this word and I had not searched
it or anything like it. And it came up and it said, Stoicism, how to be stoic. Okay.
So now, you know, there's lots of things that we can look at and listen to and read that
are do not glorify God. And sometimes I found myself in the pursuit of trying to understand
other points of view, you know, trying to listen to some of those things. And, and that's
okay, but also can be dangerous. Like you have to hold everything in light of scripture.
You know, so, but I said, huh, I'm going to click on this and see, you know, what they're
saying here. So there were all these like mantras or whatever that you were supposed
to tell yourself, not, not Christlike affirmations, but like worldly mantras, you know. And so
they would have things like, I will tell myself, I am in control of my thoughts and emotions.
I will tell myself, I am not scared of anyone. So, but I got to thinking about this and I
said, you know what? And you know how a lot of times the things in the world will have
some ounce of truth in them. But without the truth that is the real truth, which is the
word of God. And so I thought, well, you know what? We can be stoic in Christ by saying,
I'm not in control of my thoughts and emotions, but the Holy spirit that lives inside of me
is in control of my thoughts and emotions. And, you know, the Bible tells us we have
the mind of Christ in first Corinthians. And then where it says, I'm not scared of anyone.
So, okay, I'm not scared of anyone because God has not given me a spirit of fear. So,
it's not enough to claim these things because that's in our own strength. And there's no
power behind our own strength.
Right. When you add those words from the Bible and the Holy word of God, then it has that
power with that truth in it.
Yes, because I mean, the word of God is living and active. And that's where all those things
can become truth.
I was really glad that I looked at that because I was like, you know, that's what the world
will tell people to do, you know, is to almost, you know, I don't need anyone and I don't
need and I can do it all myself.
It makes them sound powerful, but without the word of God and that power behind the
word.
And see, that's not what I'm looking at when I hear that from my point of view. I hear
it lonely.
Yes, I can do it myself. Why would you want to?
Right?
Why don't you know better?
Exactly. And I think that comes from a place of hurt a lot of times, you know, and like
you said, lonely, because what it's done is it's probably, you know, people that have
said, well, you know, before people have tried to intimidate me or scare me and I will never
allow that to happen again.
So instead of guarding my heart, now I've closed my heart off. And that that creates
a whole other issue because, you know, there's always, you have to be able to love, you know,
and take that risk of not being loved back.
Right. Is that not biblical?
I mean, really, right?
If you had the Holy Spirit in space, but did not love, you would be bankrupt.
That is so true. You know, I thought about that before and I feel like that's the whole
when we can learn unconditional love of others, then we can truly see how God loves because,
you know, God loves so many people that don't love him, that curse his name, that worship
other gods, that never, that go about their everyday life, never considering him. And
yet he loves.
And so if we are able to ever know that kind of love, I mean, I think that's a gift. So
we're able to know that kind of love, but it does not come without hurt, you know.
But I would risk it. I mean, I have been able to see the love of God so much more clearly
since I've been able to love people that did not return love to me.
But you know what? It hurt and I didn't like it. But I would not trade it because God used
that to show me his love and to show and I know how much more he loves me because of
those things.
So even through the bad, you know, we see the goodness of God, which is what we're talking
about.
But just like you said, you know, things, I thought about this, things do come around
every day, all day long. They can come at us and through different forms and it's you
have to be on guard, right?
Because the devil does prowl like a roaring lion, you know. And so I think so many people,
I think take that as they should be scared of what might happen. And that's not the case.
Being aware is not being scared. It's just knowing that I have weapons that God has given
me to handle those things when they come up. And we know we're supposed to take our thoughts
captive.
But you know, I think sometimes it can stop there with people say, oh, you got to take
your thoughts captive, take your thoughts captive. But the next part of that is to make them
obedient to Christ.
Amen. One thing that I was thinking of is sometimes the devil won't come at you with
something that you'll know isn't good for you. He'll come in with something that's good,
that is not yet like great that God has for you. So Eve, she was tempted with something
that was good.
Right. Right. Right. She saw that it was good.
Yes. That's so true.
So you need to be very careful.
And that's why we need to be in the Word and why we need to talk to God because I use an
analogy that if I baked you a pie that was 99% pie, pumpkin pie, and 1% arsenic or 1%
whatever you would never put in your mouth. Right.
And I didn't tell you it at first and you get I gave you this pie. It's like a sermon
that you would hear. Right.
Right.
And after you're examining this pie, you deem it is not fit to eat even though it looks
good.
Mm hmm.
It's that discernment that we need. And if we don't have the scripture, we won't know
how to discern one thing from another because something will sound good. Like what you were
saying before, this that that affirmation that you were saying that was wrong.
That sounds good.
Right.
It sounds empowering. It sounds like it's helpful. But in fact, it's just isolating.
Yes. That's so true. And that's like, you know, that phrase that says the devil has
no new tricks because that's what he does is he takes something that that God intended
to be one way and he twists it. And there's enough truth in it. And so if people don't
really study their Bible, don't really know scripture, but only, you know, have heard
maybe bits and pieces of it and somebody else comes to them using that scripture. Well,
they don't know any different. So they're taking their word for it.
And you know, the Bible says that the devil is like a lion prowling around seeking to
whom he can consume. Right.
Yes.
And what does a lion do? It separates the weak from the herd, isolates them and then takes
them down.
Yes.
We're stronger together.
Yes. And you know what? Somebody, I heard somebody once say the devil is like a lion,
but he is not the lion, which is the line of Judah, you know, so it's always been a miserable
copy.
Yes, always. And it's a counterfeit of what, you know, you think about all those things
like like success and lust of the eyes, lust of flesh, pride of life, all those things
that the devil throws at people to convince them that that will be their happiness, that
that will be their identity is found in those things.
And it's just a fake. It's just a, you know, a weak fake of what the actual truth is. Like
I didn't realize and I know Shelling knows part of my testimony and I've been, I met
Jesus about eight years ago.
And before that, though, I was a career woman, I guess you would say, and I had always worked
and much of my identity was found in my work.
Well, fast forward and after legal problems came up from a job company that I worked for
and having to, I was criminally penalized for that.
So ever since then I have, I'm not able to even work in that field anymore. So it's like,
if Jesus had not met me and showed me what my true was, it would have been all wrapped
up in that. And I would be, you know, it'd be done.
So I think that that is, I mean, there's so many ways that that God is so good to have
met me before I even walked through any of that because he, you know, really showed me
what the truth was before I had to let the world tell me what the truth was, you know?
So I feel like that's so important. But the thing about the everyday stuff, and I know
you guys have heard this, the garbage in garbage out theory. Yeah. And so, you know, what we're
supposed to feed our minds with are the things that are true and honorable and respectable
and all those things that he talks about in Philippians. And so when I, if I catch my
mind deviating to something that is not one of those things, that's those thoughts that
I have to take captive and make obedient to Christ. Because if it doesn't fit in that
list of items, you know, it's, it's, that's where anxiety comes from. That's where worry
comes from. That's where, you know, you can dwell on an offense, but not if you're focused
on these things, which, which are, you know, instead of like, which are things that are
true and honorable. And we know that whatever our heart is full of is going to flow out.
And that's the garbage in garbage out thing. So it is a lot about what goes in. And not
only, I mean, you know, that's what we listen to what we, what we look at. And like you
said, Shelley, it doesn't have to be something overtly bad. But it can be something that
we, or just something that takes the place of God or takes the place of putting him first.
Even our children, even a Bible study, even, you know, something like that, we can go get
so caught up in activities, even though those are good activities. But are we having that
closeness that God desires?
This reminds me of our first guest of season two. He was also on a track of doing things
in a certain field, but with eight arrests in a single year, he was not able to get a
job in that position that he was going to college for. And God showed up in a way that
no one would have seen coming. And now he's an evangelist that travels the world. And
so I'm just, you know, like, I think of that when I think of your story, because like you
can't go in that field. So it's kind of like a redirection to something even better.
Yeah, probably.
And I feel like I always felt like God was saying to me, you know, like you did that
and you got some valuable, you know, experience and things that I developed in you during
that time. But now that time is done. And you're going to take that and use it for whatever's
next.
And I did.
This is stepping stone building blocks.
Yes. Yes. And I'm appreciative for that because, you know, I did, I was in sales. And so I
was able to, you know, develop relationships with people. And now I do believe since the
very first moment that I was saved that I was going to be in ministry in some form. And
so that has happened on small scales, you know, so far in just everyday life things.
But I believe that everything that I have walked through in the different seasons is
preparing me for that. And, you know, I did, I was listening to another one of the pastors
and he said that the closer, the more sanctified you become because, you know, that's a whole
process in a cell.
Yeah.
And not a one time event.
Very similar.
Yes. The more sanctified that you become, the stronger your mind becomes and the stronger
your thought life becomes. Because if you think about it, if God doesn't want to call
you into ministry or even in your everyday career or wherever you're going to be in,
to get you to be the person that he wants you to be. And in order to effectively lead
other people to Jesus, you are going to, you know, you have to be able to let the Holy
Spirit be the one that guides all those interactions.
For sure.
You know, I can't, I can't say, and you have to, this is also what I've learned is that
the people that can be the same person that they are in church, at home, at the ballpark,
at the grocery store, those are the people that have allowed the Holy Spirit to do work
in them.
Because I don't have to turn on a different voice when I go to this place and I don't
have to act a different way when I go to this place. But I've embraced who God wants me
to be. And so, and that's what I always have told my kids too about telling my story, because
they have never, my kids have all heard my whole story. And they've always been proud
of me for the way that I've told it, because I don't carry any shame with it. And that
is only because of the Holy Spirit's working in my life, because of course, it's full of
things that I could be shameful for. I could carry shame for. But they have always been
so proud of me because they're like, Mom, you just, you know, tell everybody what actually
happened and you don't, you know, sugarcoat anything and you don't. And I told them, the
more you allow the light in to your life, to your story, then the enemy doesn't have
a chance to expose anything like you've already exposed it. It's already in the light.
Right.
And so nobody can hold that against you because you know, the enemy will try to hold your
past against you, you know, but God, God, he canceled that out.
Yes. Yes. And so that's really where I've been in this whole new season, a different
season of my life. I've actually was able to study for an Alabama real estate exam and
I passed my exam.
Congratulations.
I thank you. And so I've already have a broker that has said that, you know, I should work
with her and, and now I don't know if that is something that will be a career, a lifelong
career. I don't know if that is to, you know, move me to the next place where there will
be a ministry opportunity. I don't know. And, and you know what? I don't have to know, but
you'll be meeting a lot of people doing it.
That's right. And because I trust God and you know what? He has opened a door. He's
like cracked the door open a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more.
And I've just stepped out in faith every time he's revealed a step to me and he's blessed
it. And so that's what I have to hold on to right now. But I am grateful even though like
this is the whole, probably the past year has been, it has been a difficult time for
me to learn how to surrender my mind and motion. So I know that God has used this time to make
that stronger. So I'm grateful for that. But like I said, it's like with any other thing
that we walk through and, and you know how it says in James about trials, you know, and
trials produce perseverance and perseverance character. And so I know that these things
are for my good. And now I'm seeing that they are working for my good. But it sometimes
takes coming out on the other side before you can see how you can trust that it will
be good. Yeah. But a lot of times you can't see just how. Yeah. But hard to see the other
side of the forest when you're standing in the fire. Exactly. Exactly. And Shelly, I
know like some of them, you've probably seen some of the videos that I had done before.
And I'm real passionate about having right relationships with people. So about having
good family relationships, a good marriage, marital relationship, a good, you know, and
managing all the different people that we come into contact with and managing as best
we can because it's really not a possible thing. But that is difficult. A lot of the
times, because people are different and not everyone has the same level of, you know,
people are different, different in their walks. And not everybody is going to be at the same
place in every area that you're in. And so I think it's about being able to recognize
where people are and not taking any of that personally. And, you know, especially like
we just had Thanksgiving, right? So I know probably I know several people, friends of
mine that I talked to that were actually dreading being around a lot of their family just because
there's always so much chaos. And there's always, you know, and I feel like that, you
know, usually there's some kind of family something going on. Drama. Yeah. And so but
that can, you know, if you sit around and think about that, like that can make you anxious,
that can make you not spend the day giving the Lord thanks for all the things that he's
done, but just holding on to that anxiety, like, you know, and how am I going to respond
to that? And I think that's where a lot of mine was is I want to respond like Jesus would
respond. But I also don't want to be a doormat. And I also don't want to internalize these
things. I want to these things, this character and this development that God has done during
these different seasons. I don't want to allow the enemy to try to demolish any of that,
you know, like, I appreciate all the habits and stuff. Right. Exactly. And you know, that's
what he does. Like the devil tries to get us out of character. And it's like God's
developing this character, like he's forging it in the fire. And then the devil's over
here trying to be like, let me just bring you right back in there. And I think for me,
I finally was like, no, like that's it. I'm tired of, you know, you trying to do this,
like I'm the person God wants me to be. And if I I'm not going to return evil for evil.
I'm going to going to overcome evil with good. And you know, when it comes to that point,
we can either overcome or we can be overcome. And God wants us to be overcomers. So yeah,
vectors instead of victims. Yes. And so that's it. Now it is not easy to
know. I mean, I will tell you that like I've had to but but that's where Josh, like you
were saying, like people have to know their Bible because what's happened like in those
circumstances now is I will actually have those some of these verses playing in my mind
as I'm having these interactions. And so I'm like, Oh, I have the mind of Christ. I'm
not going to repay evil for evil. I'm, you know, I'm going to bless those that curse
me. I mean, you know, so it's like these things. And when when the Holy Spirit is louder than
our own thoughts, then that is a great thing. Praise God. Yeah, praise God. So I'm like,
yes, just let me take hold of that because we have to be we're called to be peacemakers,
but we're not called to be peacekeepers. So I had to really think about that. Like, you
know, a lot of times we can and me I'm I hate conflict. Okay, so I like everybody to get
along. I like everything to be smooth. You know, if somebody has a problem, I want to
go patch it up real quick. And so conflict is not my my fun place. But I realized that
a lot of times if someone sins against us, and you don't like conflict, then you kind
of try to like put a bandaid on it. And really what that does is it it keeps God from doing
something in that situation. Like it's almost like, you know, how you can enable bad behavior
in children. Yes, by stepping in and not letting them experience any consequences. Look at
society right now. Right. We have almost an entire generation and a half that have not
experienced consequences. Right. And what does that mean? It's just so destructive.
Yes. And so I feel like so, you know, you think about that and you think it, like to
me, I was thinking, well, that's extreme. That's only in extreme circumstances, like
if someone's an addict or something. But it's really not it's an it can be an everyday
things because, you know, God says, like, it's his to avenge is not, you know, we're
not the one that's supposed to make things right. Now, we are just supposed to love
like Jesus, stay in our Christ like character, not let these things pollute our hearts and
minds. And God will deal with the rest of it. But only if we can say, this is not my battle,
you know, so we can get out of God's way because he's really good at being God. Yes. We're
not. Yes. He's a lot better at it than I could ever imagine to be. Exactly. Exactly. So I
had to remind myself of that because I think I was, you know how you can justify things
by think saying that that they're good. So I would be like, well, I'm just trying to
make sure everybody's happy and I'm just trying to, you know, keep the peace and I don't, you
know, I want everybody to be comfortable and I want every and so it was out of a I felt
like it was out of a good place that I was doing it, but it still wasn't my place to
do it. Yeah, sometimes our relationships could actually be stronger if we base the conflict
head on and say, hey, this made me feel some type of way. Yeah. And then work through it
instead of just, you know, putting that bandaid over it. Yes. And I think that's what God
wants us to do. And I think for sure that was one of my lessons because I don't like
conflict so much. And, you know, I felt like God was saying like, I get it, but I need
you to be able to be okay with it, you know? Yeah. You know, and I still don't like it,
but now I'm more okay with it because I think it conflict it God's way is not the world's
conflict either. You know, so I don't have to, you know, come at you, but I can speak
the truth in love, which is counter cultural if you think about it, because people don't
don't address people like that if they have an issue. They don't say, hey, do you think
we should we could sit down and talk about this because I really, you know, I care about
you and I want to know where you're coming from. I mean, like people don't handle things
like that. They'll end up ghosting each other and you're like, what happened? Right? Or
like the whole cancel culture that we've been in, you know, I mean, people can love somebody
one day and hate them the next. I mean, depending on the mood of your peers, right? Exactly.
And people are so easily influenced, you know? Yeah. Well, I mean, we all eat lies when our
hearts are hungry. Oh, you're so you're so right. And a lot of hearts are starving. So,
you know, absolutely, absolutely. You know, God created us as spiritual beings. And if
we're not seeking him, we're seeking something else spiritually. Exactly. And I mean, so
it's one or the other. Right. I tried to tell somebody that the other day, I mean, it might
have been my middle child, I have three children, but I was telling her, you know, there's only
two sides, like, you know, there's not like, maybe I'm a little bit with God and maybe
I mean, you know, it's it's pretty black and white if you look at it, you know. But a lot
of people don't look at it like that. But I know we're close on time. I wanted to tell
you this though, one of the things that so I don't know if you guys have heard of the
freedom curriculum. Yeah, I have not. Okay. Well, so it's a small group curriculum that
my church does. And I've actually been into the small groups and I co led one of the
groups in the spring. But it's basically about how you can get freedom, you know, the things
maybe that have been like strongholds in your life and and all these different things. And
then at the end, we have this amazing conference. And, you know, it might be people that have
dealt with like trauma in their lives or like different areas. But one of the things that
is a whole we have a whole book and it teaches us through 12 or 13 weeks. And one of the
things the main themes, which reminded me of it whenever I was thinking about talking
to you guys today, one of the things that we said was choices lead and feelings follow.
Because we you can't lead with your feelings. I mean, you know, and our feelings are more
of an alert system, but they're not always the truth. So feelings are here for us to
enhance our lives in positive and negative ways, just to help like a flavor like salt
in our own life. But they're not they're not supposed to be our radar for navigating life.
No, just another sense to feel life and experience life so that God has given us his happiness.
That's not a bad one. She always clearly given by God. Right. And so these are these are
gifts of God to help us cope as being humans. Yes. But you know, it's when people make decisions
based on feelings or you know, yeah, that's what we're in dangerous territory. Yes, we
are. And feelings will betray us. Oh, they will so much. I mean, the heart, you know,
the hearts to see full above all things. That's one of those. It all kind of ties into this
thing. Because it's our hearts, our minds, our emotions that all have to be submitted.
Absolutely. Yep. But that's I have learned this lesson. I've walked through it. It's
amazing how I don't believe in coincidence and nothing is the accident. But it's amazing
how many of these different things that we talked about, I talked about with you guys
today have shown up various forms that have all been related. So so I know that was something
a lesson that I needed. And it's really helped me. It really has. God is very good at weaving
the tapestry of all our lives together and closely and those of us that follow closer
to him, I think are more aware of some of the pattern because we see some of the people
repeating patterns and we're like, Hey, we're in the same area of the tapestry at this moment
in our lives and it may not be that way 10 years from now, but right now it is. Yes,
I totally agree with that. And I mean, I have been so especially for the last month, I have
been and I would watch like documentaries and stuff. I'm not saying I watched any bad
shows or anything, but but I've noticed more of I didn't really say, Hey, I'm not going
to watch that anymore. But all of a sudden I just didn't and I would just be listening
to worship music or I would but I've been like God has been so good to put me I've been
in such like this. I've been in the presence of God like nonstop for a month. And I'm like,
why do I not live my whole life like this? Because it's so good.
The flesh is weak, even though the spirit is willing. It doesn't take much for your
flesh to say, Oh, Penny, Oh, squirrel, candy.
And sometimes your flesh is more malicious than that. It's not so innocently. You stumble
sometimes your flesh desires or crave something so horrible because the enemy is whispering
into you and we can't crack your spirit because that's where the Holy Spirit lives. Right.
But he can crack your flesh and cause these polls and these urges that are hard to resist
or that you might be in the middle of when you're tired and didn't realize you're in
the middle of it and go, Oh man, I was supposed to not do that.
Yes. Yes. You're so right. But then I'm like, you know, what I like how we can acknowledge
when we're in like a close relationship or having like a special time. But you know what
I don't want to do is I don't want to move out into the next season and leave this behind
or or or minimize it because it's so good. Like I want to stay here.
But yeah, it's been so good. I've learned a lot about this and I know that it is it's
a journey. It's not like, okay, I've learned it. Now I'm good. I'm going to check that
off. Yeah, he'll evolve it into something else. Yes, he will. And I'll, you know, keep
learning and growing in. But I think that's whole. I think God can do so much with our
surrender. So we have to find those areas that we are still holding on to. And it's
not sometimes it's not really easy to pick out, you know, but the more we can be in his
presence and the more we can study his word and in pray, you know, prayer is so special
and so powerful. And the more we can do those things, then I think that we will be able,
it's like it's easier to lay it down. So I'm grateful for it.
I'm grateful you got to share this with everybody because I'm sure somebody when we release
this, somebody will be going through this and they'll be like, this is exactly what
I needed to hear. Yes, I hope so. And you know, I know that God allows us to walk through
things and teaches us lessons so that we like the Bible says we're ready to, you know, walk
with somebody else through that. They have to comfort them. Yes. And so I'm glad that
he chooses to use us for that. Well, he can't unless we're open to be used by him. You're
right. He means that obedient heart. Yes. And so if you feel called by God, know that you
are you have that obedient heart. Yes, amen. I'm thankful for it. Well, thank you for being
with us, Lisa and sharing this little testimony that you've been working on. And I look forward
to the next things that God does. Yes, me too. And I can't wait to tell you guys all
about it. That'll be great. And then we'll have you back on to share some more stuff.
Yes, that'll be awesome. Thank you. Awesome. Well, if this episode has been a blessing
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