1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,600 Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast, where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:17,600 goodness and modern-day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hinken. We have Yudith 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:23,840 Katan with us, and she and I met through Christian podcasters. It's a group in Facebook, 4 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,840 and the Lord led us to connect with one another, and she's just going to share what the Holy Spirit 5 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:35,760 laid on our heart. We hope that it's a blessing to somebody out there. We're going to ask you to 6 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:41,120 open us up with an opening prayer. Heavenly Father, I am so grateful to You, Lord Father, 7 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:47,040 that when I first came to know You, You invited me to be very close to You. And thank You, Father 8 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:54,160 God, that, Lord, You are inviting every single one of us throughout Christendom, wherever we are, 9 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:59,600 wherever we are, whichever stage we are, Heavenly Father, You are asking all of us to come really 10 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,640 near and close to You. And I thank You, Father, for that. I thank You for the opportunity to 11 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:11,360 reconnect with You wherever we are at. And I thank You for that in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. 12 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:21,360 It was 1985, so many years ago, and I was visiting Israel. I originally was Israel. I need to say that. 13 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:28,560 I was born in Israel on a kibbut. I grew up there. I did my military service. And then at the age of 14 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:35,120 22, I came over to England because I wanted to study English. I met my future husband in Israel, 15 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:41,600 and then I married and stayed, actually, in the UK. Hence, I am speaking English and not Hebrew 16 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:48,240 right now. In 1985, it was autumn. Roughly around about this time, I was visiting Israel, 17 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:55,760 just visiting my family, which I was doing every year. And I was very burdened. I had four years 18 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:01,760 of teaching in an English school where every month, I don't think, went wrong. And finally, 19 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:09,120 I decided to let go of my job. And I felt depressed. I felt down. And when I came to visit home, 20 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:15,680 I discovered that just about every member of my family was having a hard time. So let me begin 21 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:23,760 with a night when I was lying on my mother's sofa in a living room, really choked up and finding it 22 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,280 really hard to breathe because I was carrying the burden of the whole family. My mother was upset. 23 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:35,360 My father was in hospital. My brother was upset. My sister was upset. And I was really 24 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:42,560 burdened, is the word. And I wasn't able to sleep. And then in a flitting moment, I saw a huge 25 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:50,560 luminous cross hover over the length of my body. It came and then it went. And then I was able to 26 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:57,520 sleep. I was finally able to also weep. I sat behind my mother's house was a lovely little stream, 27 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:04,400 one of the streams that come from Mount Hermon. And I was sitting on the bench and I was weeping. 28 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:10,400 And I remember thinking, what were you thinking you were doing, taking the whole of the family upon 29 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:17,680 yourself? Father, I believe was beginning to teach me of his coming. The Jesus came to take 30 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:24,240 our burden away. And this is basically what he did. The cross came over me. The burden was lifted. 31 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,800 I did not become a believer straight away, but it's interesting that these were the thoughts in 32 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:35,840 my mind. I then left Israel and went back to the UK. And on the flight, I was listening to some 33 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:41,600 beautiful songs, a Hasidic songs. I don't know if anybody knows what they are. They're very touching, 34 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:49,520 heartfelt songs of Jewish who believe in God. And I was weeping. As the air started, a whole 35 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:56,080 series of visitations with the cross that just caused me to weep and weep and weep. And just 36 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:02,960 once my intellect was not interfering. I could feel, don't touch it, don't analyze. And I would walk, 37 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:10,560 I came back home to my hometown in England called Reading. And every time I walked by a church and I 38 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:17,360 saw a cross on a church steeple, I just would weep and weep. The cross would move towards me and I 39 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:25,760 would weep. And it was like weeks, months of weeping and weeping and not knowing what's going on. 40 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:32,160 Very, very important moment where it wasn't that I saw a clear cross. And I don't even remember 41 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:38,560 exactly where I was, but I always have a memory of it as being I was in front of the huge cosmic 42 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:46,560 sky. And all of a sudden, something opened my mind. And I saw the crucifixion. And I remember 43 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:54,400 thinking, Oh my goodness me, this must be true. What am I going to do? I am Jewish, I'm Israeli. 44 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,840 But it was very profound. There was no, there's no way I can't really even explain it. Barely 45 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:06,400 remember it, but it was so significant. It was a beautiful cosmic experience. And the only way I 46 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:12,800 did, I was able to explain it, I wrote it down as a poem. Is it okay if I read the poem? Sure. 47 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:22,560 So here it goes. Through a crack in the dawn of time, I saw a daunting paradox. His death on the 48 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:30,880 cross was the truth. Elusive and awesome, it stood, wrenching my heart with its presence. My tortured 49 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:36,720 soul was bleeding with an inexplicable yearning to be inside this experience of death. 50 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:44,400 Thislessly, I was drawn to the towering cross imprinted upon the curtains of my perception. 51 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:51,920 The world became meaningful through the suffering surrender alone. The dark cross upon my veiled 52 00:05:51,920 --> 00:06:00,800 self imprinted the kiss of sorrowing love and summoned me to its rest. So Father showed me even 53 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:07,840 today that actually me walking in this way of knowing the cross as the first introduction 54 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:14,320 to faith rather than some marvelous miracle, mind you, this is a marvelous miracle, is actually the 55 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:19,680 most profound and most meaningful thing that happened to me. And it was very close and it was 56 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:28,000 very intimate. I then still not believing as such. I then met somebody who came to do a job. It was 57 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,680 a carpenter. He was a Catholic, charismatic, and he spoke to me and he prophesied over me and he 58 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,120 said, the Lord is laid his hand upon you and the whole of your family. That didn't make me a believer 59 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:45,440 either. He was telling me that he and his wife do prayer counseling in their home. And I didn't 60 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:51,200 know what prayer counseling was, but I knew Father was drawing me there, you know, and he finished 61 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,080 his job and he went away. And for a long time, for five months, I thought, I'd like to go and see 62 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,560 these people. I'd like to go and see these people. And finally I picked up the phone and I went to 63 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:06,880 see them. And on the first meeting, he asked me, would you like to receive Jesus into your heart? 64 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,240 For the life of me, you might not know why I said yes. But I said yes. And at that moment, 65 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,600 I saw the luminous cross again, small in front of my face with Jesus on it. And I felt I was 66 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:25,520 surrounded by darkness. They prayed for me. I left and I dismissed the whole thing. Interestingly, 67 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:31,920 inside me, deep inside me, there was like a flame of joy surrounding my darkness, but a flame of 68 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:39,440 joy. And then I shared it with some friends, my poetry class mates. And the minute I shared it, 69 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,760 I think my faith started. So there's something about confessing your faith, yeah. 70 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:55,600 And then began a very, very close, very rapid as well, very quick and rapid close revelation of 71 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:03,200 Oh Christ in a whole range of ways. I went to see Tom and Dorin nine times. And they prayed for me 72 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,480 for inner healing, something to do with my memories with my mother. But this appeared to me in those 73 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:14,720 memories. And he affected those healings. I mean, I mean, I can't exactly go into all the details, 74 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,920 but I can only say that I remember one particular thing. When I always got scared, I felt really 75 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:25,680 scared of my mom. And I don't know, she probably rebuked me and I went and wept and wept and wept 76 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:31,440 and just wouldn't come out on my weeping. My father came to get me back. But it wasn't my father I 77 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:38,400 wanted. It was my mother I wanted. And she never came. So finally I got up and I went back into 78 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:44,240 from the bedroom to the living room. And my mother was sitting on the sofa. My father welcomed me, 79 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:50,400 but she wasn't able to look at me. And I stood in my memory. Okay, they're praying for me and I'm 80 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:58,160 in my memory. And in my memory, I see her and I experience condemnation and rejection feeling 81 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,400 I couldn't come for me. So I thought if she couldn't come to me, I must have done something 82 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:08,960 terrible. At that point, I saw Jesus and he stood right next to me with his gowns, long gowns, and 83 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:16,800 he picked me up. And he placed me. So I was about four or five, five maybe placed me on my mother's 84 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:23,920 lap. And I saw myself going backward and forward on my mother's lap really happy. My mom wasn't 85 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:30,720 happy, but I was happy. So I knew the Lord healed me of that condemnation. And you know, that was 86 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,600 the one particular memory I remember about nine times as many, there must have been many other 87 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:42,080 things that happened, which I cannot now remember. But that symbolizes it. Thereafter, the Holy Spirit 88 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:48,160 must have begun to lead me to the Bible straight away. Holy Spirit lead me and he was teaching me. 89 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,800 I opened up the Bible. I don't know how it happened. It's the Holy Spirit, you know, 90 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:59,200 I opened it up in so many places. And all of those places were about false religions and false prophets. 91 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,280 So I was teaching me, I had to because one thing that I didn't mention is that I was 92 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:10,320 practicing transcendental meditation. I don't know if any of you know what that is, but it's 93 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:16,880 connected to Hinduism. And through the sessions with Tom and Doreen, I was delivered or the mantra 94 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:23,280 and Hinduism. I knew I was delivered because when they when Tom prayed, I was flung on the floor 95 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:31,120 and was free of that. And then the Holy Spirit led me into the into the Bible. It was remarkable, 96 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:41,440 really amazing. And then I felt very cherished and very held, acclaimed. In Christ, it's difficult to 97 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:48,000 explain even sometimes I even felt his tangible presence around me. Actually, I did. For the first 98 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:55,120 10 years of my walk of faith, I more than often most of the time felt his tangible presence around me. 99 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:01,680 His goodness is of his is the presence. There's nothing like it. And I'll never, the Lord said to 100 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:09,760 me, nothing else will ever satisfy you. And now, all those 38 years later, I feel, Heavenly Father, 101 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:17,040 I just need that presence again. From that place, right now, Father is really calling me to say to 102 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:25,200 all these people, come to me, come close to me, seek me. Intimacy with him is a number one priority. 103 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,440 There's a lot of people that chase worldly things and they don't realize the thing they're trying 104 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:35,280 to fill the hole with is Jesus. He's the one thing that can fill that hole, optimally. 105 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:40,400 Absolutely. It's absolutely incredible. And I went through thick and thin, loads of things. 106 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:46,160 I can say, Father's goodness to me in so many different ways. My husband is not a believer, 107 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,160 he was against my faith. So I walked through really hard times with that. 108 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:57,600 Father showed me that this was my God-given husband and we did everything we can to stay 109 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:05,280 together and we're still together and he's still not a believer. But all that time ago, 110 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:10,880 Father showed me that it will take a long time. It will be only the end of my life. 111 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,160 So I'm looking forward to it happening now. Many instances of his goodness. 112 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,840 Well, I have a question. 113 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,040 No, you ask me. 114 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:24,240 When you were seeing crosses everywhere, did you know what those were connected to? 115 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,240 Like what that ultimately meant or do you have that revealed to you? 116 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,920 I don't even remember. I didn't know anything about the Christian faith. 117 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,680 What I think, even though my marionine law was a Catholic, I don't think I had knowledge. 118 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:48,560 And I think so much at the level of my emotions and so much, I think Father deliberately masks 119 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:53,440 my knowledge side of things so that everything was so experiential. 120 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,920 Eventually I understood and I knew and I began to read the New Testament and I understood. 121 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:05,120 And there was so much more revelation of the meaning of the cross. 122 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:16,240 But it never came like a dogma. This is what I think. What I marvel at is how the Lord knew. 123 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:22,480 He knows me well. And he knew me, an emotional person. He worked with my emotions at that time 124 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,920 and almost prevented me from trying to analyze for a period, for a time, 125 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,880 which is really profound when you think of it because my husband wouldn't let me go to church. 126 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:42,000 I would go to prayer meetings in the daytime, but Father showed me abide by him, don't go to 127 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:47,280 church on Sunday. But he himself was teaching me, but I found fellowship. Nonetheless, I was 128 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:54,320 still educated by the church and by scripture and all the rest of it. I was not in the traditional 129 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:02,000 way. And to me, that really shows his personal goodness, meeting me where I needed to be met, 130 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,080 which is a good. So I don't know if that answers your question. 131 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:07,600 Yeah, that's good. 132 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,760 How old were you again when you converted? 133 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,480 33. Christ's age. I was 33 years old. 134 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,200 So were you taught a lot of Jewish history, Hebrew history? 135 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:28,400 Yes, because even though I grew up secular, every Jew, every Israeli has to learn about, 136 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,680 we learned the Old Testament, it's part of the school curricula. And the thing is interesting, 137 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:40,000 I loved particularly the prophets. And then the Lord has given me a prophetic sort of calling as 138 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:45,760 well. I come from a family who are real lovers of justice, every single one of us, mother, 139 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:51,920 father, brother and two other sisters. So it is kind of like in the remit. So of course, 140 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:58,720 I knew Jewish history. I knew one thing from my dad. My dad was not able to take on anything to do 141 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:05,280 with Christianity because of the Holocaust and because of the inquisitions. So that was like 142 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:10,640 a blockage to him. But he met with some Christian people who came and visited the kibbutz and 143 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:16,400 worked on the kibbutz and they prayed for him a lot, I discovered, on one of my visits. So it's 144 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:21,200 a mystery. Father shows me that sometimes he works with people in a non-traditional way, 145 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,240 you know, in a non-traditional Christian way. I sat with my father on one occasion, on one of my 146 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:33,200 visits on the living room sofa again, opened with Isaiah 53. And we were reading it together. 147 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:39,040 And we were getting excited about it together. Just for a moment. And then it was closed. 148 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,720 He didn't profess faith, but God told me that he belongs to him. 149 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:50,000 I think it's interesting that you grew up secular and were attracted to the prophets. 150 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:56,240 You know, the prophets that manifested the Spirit of God in the time before it was 151 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:03,360 freely given to all. And so I think that's really interesting that even though you weren't, 152 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,960 I guess, a believer of even God, that you were still drawn to his Word and through his miracles, 153 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:15,280 to his people. Yes, absolutely. That's so beautiful. I think I find that. And I was a seeker. I wanted 154 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,640 to know the truth. When my husband said to me, oh, no, it's just like, you know, that guy, 155 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,280 you know, the carpenter, he's just influenced. I said, no, no, no, you know that I'm not somebody 156 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:31,600 who gets influenced. If God is not just an idea that I took on an ideology that is interesting, 157 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:38,000 I said, if this is not true, I don't wish to know. So, you know, for me, I feel I'm passionate 158 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,280 about that. Father God, the Lord is real and is true and is good and is manifested in so many 159 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:49,360 different ways in my life and the life of so many people in even greater ways. What's unique to my 160 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:56,400 work with God is the whole issue of intimate closeness, being very, very personal, where there's 161 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:02,960 no distance, like as if we're soul to soul entwined. As he speaks with a still small voice, 162 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:09,680 and people only whisper because they're close. Yes. Yes. And any whisper, you can speak loudly. 163 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:16,640 We went to live in Brussels for a while. Me and my husband immediately in September 1985, 164 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:23,200 father spoke to me once audibly from heaven, promising me a child in his mother, I remember 165 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:29,360 trembling, thinking, oh, this is too much. And promising me the salvation of every member 166 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:36,160 of my Israeli family, mother, father, two sisters and brother. And father, and in one way also saying 167 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,840 to me, Andy, my husband will be with you. So, I know he will be saved. He grew up a Catholic, 168 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:50,160 but he rejected it. His father was a German Jew. And father promised me a child on the day that I 169 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:56,400 said to him, okay, Lord, father, if I never have children, that's okay, I just let go. I met you 170 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:02,640 and that's good enough. And that was after one more month and disappointment, and I was weeping 171 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:09,440 and weeping. And then I said, okay, I surrender. I let go of it. Never mind. At that moment, 172 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:14,000 my heart reached the Bible. And at that time, I wasn't versed in reading the Bible so much. 173 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:19,920 And again, it opened up in Therian Abram, Hannah and Samuel, Elizabeth and John the Baptist, 174 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:27,680 and Isaiah 54, Rejoice and Be Glad, O barren woman. So I said, are you promising me a child? 175 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:33,760 I felt, Lord, I don't understand the Isaiah 54. I understood it later. And after that, 176 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,560 he also spoke to me audibly. It was amazing. I've got it all written down. I took a pen and 177 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:43,680 paper and wrote down and regarding my father, when he got to my father, he showed me each one. 178 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:49,120 When he got to my father, I saw him sitting on an easy chair. I felt the Lord showing me that 179 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:54,880 denoting that my father was already belonged to him. My father was very special, but he was the 180 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:02,560 one person who did not ask Jesus into his heart that I know of. All the others did. But my father 181 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:09,840 was a very loving man, very compassionate, very generous, very generous spirit, a very Christlike 182 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:17,040 he was in all his dealings. And when father spoke to me about my father, he said, Eliyahu is Elijah, 183 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:23,280 that was my father's name, Eliyahu my son. He spoke of him as a very special person. 184 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:31,120 So I believe he was saved. So let me emphasize the fact of that personal meeting. And let me 185 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:37,760 emphasize the fact that father says, that's how I wanted all my children, very close, very personal. 186 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:43,360 According to your character, obviously he meets everybody according to who they are and their 187 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:47,760 purpose. And that's to me, that's so beautiful. And I feel passionate about it. He's actually 188 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:54,080 called me now to coach, oh, I quarreled with him enough about this. I said, Lord, you can't, 189 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,560 that's what he called me to do. He wants me to reach out to people and for people if they need, 190 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,600 if they have problems. He showed me all the problems. I went through all the problems. I went 191 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:09,520 into, I've been in the desert now for about 20 years. So the marvel of that constant presence 192 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,000 is not quite in the same place. But father said to me, I'm putting you in the desert. 193 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,840 My body is in the desert. You need to feel how it, what it feels like. And he's been teaching me 194 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,040 about the obstacles, the unbelief, the doubt, the feeling of distance from God that different people 195 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:31,040 are going through. And he taught me how to hear his voice in the desert. So, you know, there's a 196 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:37,040 certain way in which we can connect with God even when we feel things are dry and in hard times. So 197 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:42,400 there's, there's been a lot of training like that in my life, in my life in God. And now he says, 198 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:51,280 I'd love you to guide and coach individuals or willing to be coached in that way of coming near 199 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,880 me. And the way he does it is that's not what I do. In my sessions, what normally happens is the 200 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:02,480 intervenes. So we'll come in by spirit, the Holy Spirit will come in with a word for the person, 201 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:08,960 personally. My way with people I am working with is very personal. It's just, you know, it's part 202 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:14,480 of my background as well. And it's beautiful. Or you'll come up with a song, you know, all of a 203 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:19,920 sudden there's a song coming up. And it's wonderful. It's just the way the Holy Spirit works is amazing 204 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:25,760 to meet each person's need. I would have blessing for God to come to you when you weren't expecting 205 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:31,280 it. And he kept, he kept knocking and knocking, which is what we're supposed to do. We're going to 206 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:37,920 seek him and knock. Matthew 633 says, but seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, 207 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:43,360 and all these things shall be added to you. God wants us to have that relationship with him 208 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:48,720 and get to know him, not just pray and then be done with it. He wants you to get to know him 209 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:57,680 and be like Jesus. And clearly he pursues us, right? We love him because he first loved us. 210 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:03,760 Yes. And he clearly, clearly pursues us. And you saw it firsthand that he was pursuing you. 211 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:10,160 Yes. Yes. And Father also led it to my heart. I usually go after people as well. I'm a bit more 212 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:16,640 mature now and sort of like I'm less, I'm less ferocious, you know, I'm a bit gentler, you know. 213 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:22,240 And he taught me how to be gentle as well, because Israelis are not pikes and ones gentle. 214 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:30,080 But yeah, no, to say the least, but I'm honed by the British, you know, I've been here 40 years. 215 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:38,080 But the Lord gave me the definitive scripture relating to the whole coaching thing is, 216 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:46,000 come unto me, all ye who are burdened and heavy laden, and I shall give you rest. It's beautiful, 217 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,920 you know. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Judith. I appreciate your time and your stories 218 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:57,920 and your testimony. And I love how God chased you down and then he's still chasing after your husband 219 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:04,160 as well. Absolutely. And both the daughters are believers, which is beautiful. All they had to do 220 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,560 is ask Jesus to come and live in their heart. And Father God took care of the rest because I 221 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:14,160 couldn't take him to church. That's so good. So listen, if you haven't asked Jesus into your heart, 222 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:20,960 today's the day, make it today and just say, Jesus, come into my heart. You know, I don't 223 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:26,960 understand everything, but I believe that you died for my sins and he rose again and he is the only 224 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,360 way to heaven. We just ask that you build that relationship with him, get to know him, be open, 225 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:36,560 look for him in the little things because he will show up. And let me tell you, he's not going to 226 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,520 disappoint. And then once you do invite him into your heart, we encourage you to get plugged in 227 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,080 with the body of believers. You know, it doesn't have to be church, church, but just let the Holy 228 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:52,800 Spirit guide you to fellowship with other believers. And God will direct all your steps and the way 229 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,280 that he weaves everything together is just a really cool story that you'll be able to tell. 230 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:03,280 And also, we have a fundraising campaign that we are using the funds to keep the podcast going. 231 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,440 So if you'd like to help us keep it going, that would be wonderful. There's a few different links 232 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,920 in the about section that you can give. And we would greatly appreciate the help. And don't 233 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:19,840 forget to share this with a friend and we'll talk to you next time.