Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's
goodness in modern-day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hankins. Today we have
with us a special guest. He's back again for a second time. We have with us two-time world
champion Jeff Nugles, also three-time runner-up, and he's here back with another message from
the Holy Spirit, and he's going to open us up with an opening prayer, and you're going to be
blessed, and I just can't wait for the Holy Spirit to speak through him and us, and we just pray that
we're blessings. So with that, we'll have you open us up. All right, Lord, we just thank you and
praise you for another opportunity. We thank you, Lord, that we woke up this morning. We had breath
in our lungs, our feet were able to hit the floor to praise the name of Jesus. And Lord, I just thank
you for Josh and Shelley. I thank you that they opened up their home for this podcast. I thank you
for what you're doing with this podcast. And I pray, Lord, that you would bless them, my
late, bless this house. I pray a hedge of protection around this home and their son and Jesus' name.
And we thank you, Lord, for the opportunity once again to share the goodness of God. We just
thank you, Lord, because of what you've done on the cross, shedding the blood for the remission
of our sins. And we thank you, Lord, that it's by faith through your grace and mercy that we are
saved. So Lord, we just praise you once again and thank you for another opportunity to glorify
the name of Jesus. And we thank you in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. All right. So I just
want to thank Josh and Shelley for once again having me on this podcast. And I praise the Lord
for that. And if you would happen to go back to the first segment, I talked about how the Lord
brought me from death to being a world champion in the sport of long drive, which is basically just
hitting the golf ball further than anybody else in your age division. And so God, I was always an
athlete and love sports, basketball, baseball, all those types of things. And God used my passion,
my desire, even at the age I'm at right now, I'll be 63 in April. But at the age of 60,
I just got back into this sport after he healed my body and who becomes a professional athlete,
you know, at 59, 60 years old, but only a person that God's going to use for his glory.
So I thank the Lord that he is using me for his glory. He's opened up many doors, many avenues,
even since the last podcast, which I'm going to share in a moment, that how he is just opening
the doors that weren't open before. But because of what he's done through me and the healing process
of my body, just to recap from the first segment, you know, having diverticulitis, going septic,
the surgeons tell my wife and former pastor that I was given one hour to live. And they, of course,
took how to take all my organs on. And I was on a table for like nine hours. And they had to
climb up and put me back in. I spent a total of 22 days in the hospital. I had to have a colostomy
bag, but God reversed that. Praise the Lord for that. You know, it's always one thing about the
Lord, you know, it's not how many times you fail, but it's to get back up. You know, it says in 1st
John 1 9, if we confess our sins, that he's faithful and just to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
So no matter how many times you fall, God is there to pick you up. And it's just like, you know,
the surgeon said, he said, when I had the colostomy bag, he says, we will be able to do reversal.
So when you hear the word reversal, it just really just kind of gives you a hope knowing that, you
know, you can make it through no matter what. And I remember he told me I would have to go six months.
And that was the longest six months because I knew that I was, you know, how you're anxious for
something. And you know that something's about to come, you know, just like your dog. When you come
home from work and he's there and he's wagging his tail and he's anxious and he's happy because
you're there, you just thank God that, you know, that he's using an animal because sometimes, you
know, I'll come home from work and my wife's not sitting there, you know, hey, I'm all excited
that you're here, you know, he's home, he's home, you know, but with a dog, you know, God just uses
pets or whatever to let you know that there is a love, there is an expectation, there is a hope
out there. And so when I was going with that colostomy bag, I knew exactly how many times I'd
have to take it off my body, cleanse it, put it back on. And it's something like the process of
what God does with us, you know, he takes the dirty mess, he takes the sin, he takes all those things
and he cleans you up, you know. And so I thank God that I knew that when the six months was up,
that I was going to go back and a surgeon was going to be able to reverse and take that thing
off of my body. And so I just thank God that he was able to do that. So no matter who you are out
there, many times you might have fell or you might have fallen, know that God is there to pick you up,
he's there to cleanse you, and he's there with the precious blood of Jesus to wipe away all your sins,
you're made new and made whole. And I thank God that my body is back to being whole and my broken
back is healed. And like I said, God has taken all the healing that I needed to have my body in
order to become a professional athlete at the age of 59 years old. So I thank God for that.
Would you say that faith, a part of that you would know, a tangible way of knowing that you had faith
would be your trusting God, believing God's promise in the getting up, right?
Yeah, yes. I mean, if it wasn't for faith, I'll tell you what, there was a time in a hospital,
I'm gonna be honest, because your flesh is always like, and the enemy's always trying to put a
thought in your head, you're not gonna be what you once were, you're not gonna be this athlete.
And I can remember I was in the hospital, I was so sick because I had that poison in my body,
and from being septic, and I was so sick. The nurse come in, I said, I even told her, I said,
look, just start pulling the plugs out, I don't even want to be here anymore. Then I remember,
they sent a lady down, some spiritual lady, and she was there, she was trying to talk to me about,
you know, everything's gonna be okay, just don't worry about it. But it was funny, I seen how lost
she was in her wording and not speaking about God, not speaking about Jesus, just trying to give me
a little pat on the back, it's gonna be okay. All of a sudden, the Spirit of God was in me,
because he said, he'd never leave you, nor forsake you. The Spirit of God just started
to rise in me, I started witnessing back to her, and then God was just using me to let her know
that, yes, there is a God in that, but I wasn't feeling good at the time, but my faith had started
to rise up, you know, and I just... See, my God's got this. He does, he did, and he did have it,
you know, even when the green gunk was coming out of my body and in the tubes, and you could see
in the container behind my bed, all the poison that was coming out, you know, and think about all
the sin that was in the world, but just one drop from Jesus took away the sin, you know, and like
you talked about Josh with the faith, if it wasn't for that inner faith, the Holy Spirit rising up,
you know, I don't think I could have made it. I don't know how people can make it in this day,
you know, without the Holy Spirit or God or having that hope, you know.
Well, they can't make it today without him, but God says that he blesses the righteous and
the unrighteous, right, and that's why we see people that don't have faith prosper, and we're
like, well, that's not fair, you know, I'm suffering and I love you, and because that's not for you,
that's not your message, that's not your struggle, that's not your testament, right. This is happens
for a reason. Exactly. You gotta remember, there's one of my favorite gospel songs is,
he's an on-time God. It was sung by Dottie Peoples, and one of the lines in that is,
he may not come when you want him, but he'll be there right on time, and that's how it is. We just
have to surrender ourselves and trust in God, and by faith, you'll see things happen, you know.
When you allow him, that's when he starts working, you know. One of the funniest things you could say,
saying I heard one time was, if you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans, you know. And,
you know, us being men, Josh, we're always like trying to fix it, we're trying to find a way to
make it work, but, you know, we want to always tackle the issue, and instead of just trusting in
God, you know, and let him take care of that situation. But I thank God that, you know, he,
like I said, he's been open indoors, and I was able to, two weeks ago, one of the major
convenience store chains, I'll just say, I'll give him a little commercial here, Sheets Corporation,
they asked me to come out and to do an exhibition, and I've never done one this big, you know. I'll
have people from church or whatever come and say, What's in an exhibition? They wanted me to come,
and because of me being a world, two-time world champion, they wanted me to come out and show
these men at this big golf fighting, the gifts, hitting a ball far, and talk about it. So here,
I had to do two sessions, one was 7.30 in the morning, which they didn't have a driving range
at this golf course, so trying to get a 62-year-old body warmed up at 7.30 in the morning, that takes
a lot of faith, you know, and a lot of trust. So I took my Flintstone vitamins and my Geratol,
because I'm young at heart, so the Flintstones are for that, and the Geratol is for the rest of
the body. But anyhow, I swung a little bit, and it turned out there was 120 men at the first session.
So they got to hear about my testimony, which I've shared, you know, with all the things that were
wrong with my body, but I said about all the things that God healed my body from, and the men
were amazed with that, you know, having a colostomy bag, four broken ribs, double hernia surgery,
broken back, and then I, you know, all that, and they were like, who's this guy? Why is he standing?
Why is there a giant poster of him, two world champion with a big belt, you know, world champion,
and they just couldn't believe it? And so I talked to him, and before I even could even hit a golf
ball, they were clapping, and you got 120 men that are just there to golf, and you know, basically
smoke cigars and drink beer, but God used me for that opportunity, and they were just really,
just paralyzed in a moment of me speaking and talking about God's goodness. So when I finally
got done talking, they clapped. I didn't hit a golf ball yet. I'm here to show them how to hit a
golf ball far, you know, and so they clapped, and it was basically the spirit of the Lord working,
because I was nervous, and my wife was praying for me to fell that I went out there with,
he was also praying for me at the time. You didn't look nervous. Huh? You didn't look nervous. I
was, I was, oh yeah, well, I was nervous about hitting the golf ball, but the talking part,
did you fail or did you crush it? Oh, well, I, well, we'll do that in the third episode. I'll let
you know what it, no. He failed. No, when it was fighting, one of the fears of a golfer in front
of everybody is to top the ball off the tee. Okay. Is that where you just like smack the top of it
and it just rolls off? Yeah, that's like, it doesn't even make it to the ladies tee, you know.
Like if you miss, that doesn't count as a stroke, but if you hit the ball in any way, does that count
as a stroke? Well, if you're making a tent to hit the golf ball, it's a stroke, whether you hit it
or not. Oh, geez. Yeah. So anyhow, I got done talking and I told them, I said, this is how we do
it. They give us six balls, they give us two minutes, it's six balls, and it has to be in a grid.
It's outside the grid, it doesn't count. So anyhow, when I get done talking, I said, okay,
gentlemen, I says, I need you to pray for me. There's 120 men, they heard my thing. I don't know
who's saved there, who's not saved there. So they laughed. Or we just got saved there. You don't know.
Right, exactly. Right. Because I'm going to share in a moment what happened with some of that. But
so they laughed at that. And I says, you know, pray that I don't top this first one off the thing.
So anyhow, I hit the first one and I hit it really good down on the left side. And to make a long
story short, I hit four out of six of the balls. The hole was actually 353 yards. Now, remind you,
I'm 62 years old. It's 730, well, about the quarter to eight in the morning. And I hit it just 20
yards short of the green with a couple of the balls. So God got all the glory that. And here are some
of the other videos that the gentleman that took that I would when I was speaking and hitting,
you could hear them talking and they're like, oh, I wish I could hit like that one of 62 years old.
I can't even do it now, you know, and they're like, amazing. Look at the launch angle of
six degree driver. And he's hitting the ball so high. I mean, God was just all in that. And like
he just said, she had sent Shelley some of the couple of videos and she said, we didn't look
nervous. I was, I'm more nervous now than I was in front of all the men, you know. But I, it's
got to be me. I wasn't there. Right. I apologize. If Josh and Shelley had been there, I don't think
I could hit a golf ball. I'd have just been so nervous, you know, but anyhow, so God got the
glory in the first session there. And then I went on at 1230. I had hit another in front of another
100 and 125 men. And I did the same thing. And then I actually even hit better in the second
session. Of course, I was warmed up and I hit five out of six right down the middle and which is
really believing in the sport. I even mentioned in the sport, a long drive, there's a lot, a lot of
men that go for six in a rounds, you know, they don't even get one in because they're swinging
as hard as they can. But God has blessed me that I have a swing. I don't swing all the way back
because of actually I pitched in college. So my golf right handed, but I throw left handed. So
I'm limited with how far back I can do my back swing. So I work on the power zone at the bottom.
And anyhow, they're amazed at how far I could hit the ball just, you know, with the swing that I
have. But with that short swing, you take out of a lot of air and, you know, too far back, the wrist
and all those types of things. I know I'm talking golf stuff now, but anyhow, hopefully. Sounds to make
sense. Yeah. So anyhow. I think it's interesting that God used you based off of an infirmity,
right? So you were injured playing a different sport, so it limited how you could play golf.
And he used it to maximum efficacy, right? He used it to his potential, not yours.
And like you could not have done it without have gone through a trial before that was completely
unrelated, that you could never have guessed would have come out of it. Exactly. Exactly. Right.
God worked with, here's one thing you gotta learn about God. You can't put him in a box and God's
not limited. So he'll take whatever you think is limited and he'll make it unlimited. My golf swing
is very limited, but the power that he taught me how to have everything, the power at the bottom
and everything working at the bottom of my swing, the smash factor, the launch angle to spend all
those types of things that goes into this. There's a lot of, it's not just hitting a ball far, but
learning how to hit a ball far. It's just like when you first get saved, you're excited and you
just want everybody to get saved, but you really don't know scriptures and all that yet, right?
Well, it's just like somebody just trying to hit a golf ball and hitting it far. They'll have no idea
what they're doing yet, but they're excited they could hit a golf ball. It might go far, but it's
in somebody's house or it's in a woods. Yeah, can they do it again correctly? Exactly. Can you do
that same shot again? Or you might top it off the tee and flub it completely. Right, exactly. Which
which many new Christians also do. Right. And understand this, I've topped many off the tee,
but I'm going to tell you right now, ever since I've come back, I started back when I think it was
15 or 16 years old after all my entries in that, I've not topped one off the tee because God gave
me a way that my swing in that, that it's not all erratic, it's not all over the place. And
you can still get that spiritually too. You know, God, He said He directs our pathways. So if you're
going over here, over there trying to search this out and, and you know, maybe I go to this church
over here because of this or I'll go to this church over here and you're wandering all around,
but God will tell you, this is where I want you to be. This is where you're going to learn. This
is where you're going to grow. And it's the same thing I had with my golf swing. I was limited,
but God made the swing unlimited. You know, there's professional long drivers, they swing
and their swings all the way back behind their head almost the club almost touches the ground.
I even told them, I said, look, one of the big names, I won't say his name, but they knew who
I was talking about. I says, I don't swing like that gentleman. He's like 28 years old. He's the
number one for his age. I says, I don't swing like him. I said, if I tried to swing like him,
I'm 62 years old. If I tried to swing like him, I said, there'd be a spleen over there,
there'd be a kidney over there. My spine would be back there somewhere. I said, God, Jesus me for
the capacity that of the 62 year old body that he's getting the best he can get out of 62 year old
body. Now, yes, I train, I work out, I do all that. And just like, you know, when you first become
saved and a newborn and a Lord, you just don't go out and start evangelizing and your dictions are
all broken, all those types of things. You've got to study the Word of God. You've got to listen to
the Word of God. You got to get around the fellowship of believers because there's like my wife always
says, there's no lone star Christians out there. The Bible says, don't forsake the assembly of the
brethren. And it also says iron sharpens iron. I learned how to hit a ball far because I'd watch
other videos of people that were the best. And I took what they were using and I use it for the
capacity that God has given me for my abilities. So same thing. If you want to learn how to walk in
a spirit and ways of the Lord, you know, listen to some of the great creatures and teachers and
that type of thing, but also, but you got to learn it for yourself. You got to read the Word of God.
I could watch videos of somebody hitting a golf ball all day long, but that's not going to teach
me unless I practice, you know. So thank God for what he's doing. And like I said, he opened that
door that opportunity. He's also opened up some doors for some preaching opportunities. That's
the number one thing, you know, golf and using me for a capacity of the sport thing is fine, but
I was asked twice, preach at a church. My wife was asked to sing there also. So he's opened up that
door. Matter of fact, we preached at a church two weeks ago. And I was also the emcee, the master
ceremonies. I had double duty that day at the church. But you know, the pastor called me and says,
is that fine? Somebody canceled out. I said, wherever you need me, you know, whatever you need.
We're, you know, we're just here to be servants of the Lord. The only thing I wish that, you know,
my parents, especially my dad, could have said they love to watch me play sports. And unfortunately,
they went home with the Lord, you know, who knows if, but someday they'll be able to share what God
has done in my life, you know, we'll be able to all meet up in heaven and what a day that will be,
you know, I can't I'm looking forward to that. And I do. I thank Shelly and you, Josh, for this
opportunity once again. And I thank God for my wife, you know, she's sitting over to the right
here smiling. She's passing me notes and little love notes with the hearts on them, you know,
and I thank God for that. She's an amazing woman of God. And if you have an opportunity, listen
to her podcast again, what and just know that God can work through any marriage. We tease one time,
says, you know, we have our disagreements. We call them, you know, intense fellowships.
I love that. I actually use that phrase today and make sure everyone know they got it from the
Newkals. Yeah, that's the intense fellowshiping. We've had our intense fellowships. But do you
know what? After 30 years, it's funny in the beginning, there was a lot of intense fellowships
because we live in an apartment getting used to it. Yeah, well, yeah, you know, I just, well,
I got wife here on the right side now. So I don't hear everything as clearly as I used to.
But I remember we first got married and we live in an apartment and there's a scripture in the
Bible that's on it. This isn't my wife. I'm just saying there's a scripture in the Bible says,
if you're in a room with a cataclysm, what good will misses go up onto the rooftop, you know,
so we'd have a rooftop apartment. But God gave me wisdom. I work construction. And so I
just put earplugs in my ears. And we would, you know, she'd go back in an apartment. I couldn't
hear anymore because you got none of the enemy will use, you know, words and words hurt, you know,
so and they got me wisdom with that. And we would separate for half hour or whatever. But the spirit
of God was able to work on both of us. And then next thing you know, half hour, 45 minutes later,
we'd apologize, we hug and kiss, all that to say that was all in the beginning. But I'll tell you
what, the intense fellowships, they've really faded off big time, especially my wife is so into
the word now, listens to a lot and a great preacher's reads a lot more. She's had such a change in
her life. I mean, I, I admire her that, you know, with the way she reads and ability she's carrying
herself now. And I just pray that God keeps using me that way also and keeps us still in the word
and me and that I could testify the great things that he's continuously doing in my life and,
in my wife's life. You know, the enemy does try to break up marriages. He tries to shatter it.
And I've shared before how married couples exponentially more powerful than a single person.
Right. But then I had heard something a while ago. I don't know where I heard it from. So forgive me.
But it was that Jesus sent people out two by twos everywhere, not just to the towns, but like,
hey, go go to this town and get this donkey for me, like everything. Get this room for me. He sent
everyone two by twos except one time. And that was Judas when he sent him to betray him. He said,
go do what you have to do. Right. This is the only time he didn't do it when he was being betrayed.
So there is an importance of having multiple people when you evangelize, when you're in marriage,
when you're doing other things, because you need someone in your closet, you need someone,
your prayer closet, that's what I mean. You need someone in your corner. You need someone that is
willing to intercede and pray for you. You need someone to literally roll up their sleeves and
help you fight the spiritual battle at your side. And there's no better person that God is playing
for this than your spouse. That's right. That's right. Because the Bible says we're one consent
of thousand of flight, two consent, 10,000 of flight. So the prayers of the husband and wife
together is just, you know, they just, they don't just hit the ceiling. They reach heaven.
That's why the word of God also says we're two or three are gathered in his name,
you know, that he's in the midst. So I thank God he's in the midst right now. And, and once again,
I want to thank Shelly and, and Josh here for having me come back and just share a little bit
about, you know, what God's still continuously. And I just pray that you guys just continuously
get blessed. I know the Lord's favors on both of your lives and your son's life and even the three
dogs up there that were howling away. I think I was the whole way guess. They might, who knows,
they might have been on their, their hind legs with their paws up in the air, praising the Lord,
you know. Well, our middle dog does, she'll lay on her back or her side and she'll put her front
feet together and she'll just move her hands like she's praying and she'll even tuck her, her nose
into her hands or folded hands. It is so adorable to watch her do it. She's so sweet. And she'll,
and you can interrupt her like, are you praying and she'll just look at you and then she'll just
keep going. Perfect. And so I know that's not, you know, I mean, I don't know that, but I'm assuming
it's not really what it looks like it is, but it's still as cute and it reminds us that God is
present, that God has given us everything, right, from our dogs to the shirt on our backs, to our
spouse, to this equipment that we have right here. Like none of this has been done that God did not
provide, right? None of it. And I'm just so humbled to have the presence of a long drive champion in
our house today that I can call him friend, right? To this woman that said he fell in love with because
he saw her worshiping. And when I first came to that church, I saw her worshiping and I knew there
was something worthy of love in her, right? And so it's such an amazing dynamic that you guys are
together that you have faced the hardships that you have faced by being a biracial couple, right?
That can't be easy on either side. And it should be. There shouldn't be a problem. There shouldn't
be an issue with it. And I'm sorry that you guys had to deal with certain things your whole life.
But I really believe that as a couple, it has only made you stronger, only made you more powerful and
the Lord only made you more resilient to the enemy. And I just really admire both of you for what you
do, not just your golfing and not just your evangelizing, but in every activity you do,
you do together and you do it for the Lord. Amen. That's right. Yes, we do. We just love the Lord.
And it's like being a biracial couple, it's people want to hear our story. You know, we're,
I mean, so God uses, you know, anybody or anything and he uses us just, they didn't want to hear our
story or want to hear our background. And like I said, golf is just a small part of what God can
use anybody for, you know, use that for my like, but I just want to encourage anybody out there to
know that you have a gift. Every one of us has a gift. And when you get saved, God wants to use
whatever you have for his glory. And when you turn it over to him, you'll see not only does God get
glorified, but you'll start to get blessings. I'm not talking monetary things that can happen,
but I'm talking about real quick, I'm telling you to power God, my car was having troubles. It's
timing chain and it was going to be over $2,000 to get it fixed. This was about a year ago.
And, you know, we didn't have the money, but we have faith. And I'm just going to say this real
quickly. So our pastor at church, he said, he's trying to find a mechanic in this and that for
us reasonable to get the timing chain fixed in our car. And I just jokingly said, hey pastor,
why don't you just lay hands on the hood of this car and tell Commandess Engine to work, you know.
And this is Pastor Rick who has been on with us. This is Pastor Pete. Oh, Pete. Okay. Yeah. Pastor
Rick would do it too, but he totally did this before it was somebody else's car. Oh, really? Yeah.
Okay. Well, Pastor Pete did this one. He just put both his hands on the hood of my car. And because
what happens when I would start the car, it would rattle really bad for like 30 seconds. I mean,
and I took it to the mechanic says, yeah, your timing chain's gone. So anyhow,
Pastor Pete, he went and laid hands on the hood of my car right in the church. And he says, I come
in his vehicle to start working, right? In Jesus' name. It's all he did. Simple prayer. And he walked
away, you know, and this was over a year ago. Well, the noise rattling went away. And I still
not had to have to put a timing chain on that runs perfect. So I mean, people might think,
oh, I'm telling you, there's, there's many, many stories. God, that's what we say. We can't limit
God. You know, he's still alive. He's still sitting on the throne. And he thrives in our
desperation, right? Because this is where we meet him the most. And that car was a lifeline for you.
Right. And so he met you where you where you needed him most in your desperation.
He thrives and living in that area for us, because that's the area we mostly go to him,
which is sad, right? We surrender mostly in our in our frailty. And I think it would benefit us
if we also remembered him mostly in our times of abundance. Right? Like, hey, I woke up this
morning next to this beautiful woman, my kids still asleep. I can stretch, you know, like,
there's no hurry. I can just smell in the air and, and just enjoy what you've done for me. And,
and that's where we need to start our day. And it doesn't mean he's not there for us. It's a learning
process as we go through. But as we get older and wiser, as some people whose table are, you learn
things with that wisdom. You learn what fights thought to have. You learn how to pray. You learn
how good God is in the morning and how good God is in the evening and everywhere in between. And
it's something that you can have the attitude of gratitude. They say, you know, the Christianese,
where we really come to him with a Thanksgiving heart and he really appreciates our presence with
him. Right? We forget that God wants to spend eternity with us. Right? It's not just we want
to be with Jesus. He, like, he made us for him, for eternity. Like, when he made you in your
mother's womb, he said, this is for life. This is for keeps. This is for eternity. I want you.
That's why I put you there. Right. And if everybody on earth came to that realization,
there would be a lot more people converting and being disciples without a doubt. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Amen. I could hear the pastor coming through when you're making a sermon out of everyday
things. Yeah. Oh, me? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's just that's how God works. You know, well,
you look at Jesus, he did all the, he did parables, you know, so they would understand. And I mean,
I've done so many different types of sermons. And, you know, I had one that was called on fire,
in a fire and fired up. It was about the life of David, you know, he was on fire when he was young.
He slayed, you know, the Goliath with the stone. And then he got one thing you don't want to do is
get complacent. And he got a little complacent. And he looked at his kingdom and he saw, oh,
you look at this vast kingdom I have. And, you know, and he had with Bathsheba the fall. So he
was back in a fire, you know, and then of course, Nathan, a prophet come along and he basically
said, David, you're the man that David realized the things that he was doing. And he repented of it.
And then all of a sudden, now you got David who's back on fire again, you know, so, and he repented.
And then what did God say about David? After all the things he'd done, it was a murder, a liar,
a adulterer, a betrayer, God told him, don't take the census. He took the census. He did all those
things. But when he got it right, you know, he saw 15 ones says, he says, cleanse me with Hissa,
create within me a pure heart. So David who started on fire, he went into the fire. But God,
when you're in a fire, you understand, you're in a process, you're in a refining, you know,
the drought comes up and God scrapes that off. And he makes you brand new. And then David realized
that he was back on fire for God, he repented of it. And what did God later on say? He said,
he's a man after my own heart. You know, and I just thank God, I just want to be a man after God's
own heart. Love that you mentioned the refiner's fire and the shuffling off of the impurities.
Do you know when the silver Smith knew when he was done with refining it, when he could see his
reflection in it? Wow. And that's the importance of that. You can see the reflection, whose reflection
is David having? God's. That's why he was a man after his own heart again. Wow. That's awesome.
Thank you so much for being with us. And you guys have to come on an episode together and talk about
what the Holy Spirit tells you, because you got a lot of stories to pull from. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
we're good back and forth. Yeah. We've had some a back and forth. We're pretty good at it, you know.
That'll be fun. I love my wife. She's sitting there on the right. She's laughing right now at me,
but I thank God for her. She's my soulmate. I believe it. We've been through a lot, and I said
we've been married for 30 years now. And it's not only through the grace and God that we're still
here. We've got a roof over our head. We've got food on the table, and we've got a card at the
timing chain's been healed. So we've prayed the Lord for that. And we've got three grandkids. We've
had two dogs, cats, canaries, birds, all those types of things. But I thank God. Now it's just me
and the wife and the Holy Ghost. Goals. We ask that this episode has blessed you, that you share it
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