1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,160 Welcome to the God's Goodness Podcast, where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:18,000 goodness and modern-day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hankins. Today we have 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:24,480 with us a special guest. He's been with us before and his name is Ian Wreath and he was a blessing 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,840 in last season, season one. I thought he was going to be the first guest, but God had other plans. 5 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:38,160 And this season, season two, God wouldn't let this season go on without Ian. So while before he got 6 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:44,160 delayed because his episode needed to be released in December with heavenly messages, this time, 7 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:48,880 like I couldn't get any bookings and I'm like, who is the next one? Because I realized this timing 8 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:54,000 that God puts these guests in, like the order he puts them in, they are for such a time as this. 9 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:59,920 And I knew that once I booked the right next person, everyone else would fall in line. And after I 10 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:06,800 booked with Ian, two other bookings came like within minutes of after that. So this is exactly who we 11 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,080 needed to have with us today. And I hope you're blessed by it. And Ian's going to open us up with 12 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:19,360 an opening prayer. And before I forget, just mark it in your notes to listen to his episode from 13 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:25,200 last November. And then you might get a message from the Holy Spirit. So with that, we'll have Ian 14 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:33,840 open us up. Thank you, Shelley. Dear God, your name reveals your nature. When Moses asked you, 15 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:46,400 who shall I say sent me? You say, tell them I am who I am sent you. I am that I am sent you. 16 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:55,040 And it's your nature and your wonder is being and becoming itself. The one that always has been and 17 00:01:55,040 --> 00:02:07,520 always will be Alpha and Omega. Your story is at times our drama. But thank you for writing us into 18 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:14,480 your book and sharing us with each other so that the story that we're writing together and sharing 19 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:23,120 in together is a miracle and a miraculous one full of goodness, full of God. And we are on your 20 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:35,840 podcast and you're in heavenly high name. We pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you for that. So Ian was, Josh 21 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:41,200 doesn't know this yet, but he's about to find out. He's going to find out. So I was talking with Ian 22 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,800 he was going to share and then I was like, okay, I can see why God would want that next in the series. 23 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:52,000 So I'm sure it will all fall into place. So where would you like to get started? 24 00:02:53,120 --> 00:03:03,120 With a word. Okay. Trauma. Trauma. I think it's one of the most misunderstood words in 25 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:12,080 American, Western, especially Christianese vocabulary. It is just, it's very simple, 26 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:19,360 but it's very profound. You got the big T, the little T traumas. Yeah. And trauma is something 27 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:25,120 we all experience, but there's a lot of bad press and a lot of misinformation about what trauma is. 28 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:30,720 But trauma is also written into the story of Christianity. It's written into the story of 29 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:37,280 goodness and godliness and everything that is not that. And so trauma, I feel was on my heart. The 30 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,680 moment you asked me what to speak about or what might the message be trauma was right there. 31 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:49,680 And as God would have it, last night I released a whole bunch of it in preparation for this episode 32 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:56,640 with the help of a body of believers that I freshly met was brought into the fold of, 33 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:03,840 and they'll be mentioned in the podcast. But awesome. So with that trauma. So trauma and as I 34 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:12,880 understand it, and as I've come to experience it is separation. That's what it is. It's separation. 35 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:22,640 Trauma occurs when we have an experience in life that for that version of ourselves at that time 36 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:28,640 with our current resources and our current equipping and degree of support, all these things, 37 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:35,440 all the variables accounted for trauma is a pain that impacts us so deeply that we can't 38 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:44,240 actually bear up under it. It breaks us in that moment and our spirit, our soul and our self split. 39 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:54,160 And what happens is psychologically, and we could fragments our mind. And it creates a space where 40 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:03,200 because this pain is so much as a survival mechanism, our, we sort of had a, we have an out of body, 41 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:09,360 out of self experience, our self and soul tear apart. And in that space, pain is trapped. 42 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:16,720 And the significance of that is that pain does not leave unless and until it is touched. 43 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:24,080 And released and released and healed. But the problem with that is that when we experience this pain, 44 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:31,600 when we re experience it, we call that a trigger. And who wants to be triggered literally no one. 45 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:38,560 It's like, I want to have my motorcycles. I want to have my motorcycles. I want to have my motorcycles. 46 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:45,040 I want to have my day. I want to go, I'm at work. I'm in the midst of a podcast episode. I don't want 47 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,480 to be triggered. I don't have time to be triggered. That's the lies we tell ourselves, right? The 48 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:58,560 stories we tell ourselves. But trauma and in the Christian vocabulary, we have the word sin, 49 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:08,800 our hand and glove. They are hand and glove. And so when I say that, what I mean is, and here's a 50 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:15,120 little acronym, sin, way to understand it and the way that I've come to appreciate it is it's a 51 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:23,920 separation in the now from the complete love of God. And God is love. And so if you think about it, 52 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:32,720 whether on the micro or the macro, sin is a demonstration of separation from the love of 53 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:39,200 God that sustains us, that we live and move and have our being that we were created and molded 54 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:50,640 and made for. And unfortunately, in our short sightedness, we don't recognize that. We don't 55 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,600 recognize that fact that we don't recognize what's actually happening and how it unfolds. 56 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,920 Yeah. And then so if you think about it, the things that we do out of a traumatic place, 57 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,520 especially if there are habits and patterns that have formed over time, like addiction, 58 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:19,040 for example, those things are a program. If you imagine you open up your phone or your 59 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:27,760 computer or your interface and you tap an app, initiates a program. And so habits and patterns 60 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:34,960 like that in our lives, they're no different. But a lot of times they form because of past pain. 61 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:42,640 So a past pain pushes us in a way that we we don't like, we can't stand, I don't want to be triggered, 62 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:51,120 right? And so we momentarily seek pleasure and avoid that pain. And then it patterns itself into 63 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,880 a problem and becomes a habit. And then continued separation. And continued separation. That's 64 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:04,640 exactly right. So the very thing that we need is to acknowledge, accept, and let the pain play out. 65 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:11,280 Process. And be with it, process it, and let love enter that space where once there was pain. 66 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,360 There's sometimes that you don't even know you had a trauma from something like trauma can be 67 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,960 from the womb as early as the womb. And this is something we learned with Laura Millican. And she 68 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:26,480 had a Splongna episode. And Splongna is Christian therapy and it helps you process this trauma. 69 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:32,320 And like it's unlike talk therapy, because you might not even know what the thing is causing you 70 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:39,200 this trigger. And it's like, why am I like this? And it helps you process it. And it's really cool 71 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,960 when they work through it with you and you realize and you think about it and go, man, 72 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:51,120 that's spot on. That's got to be exactly what it is for this. And I never even gave it two thoughts. 73 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,800 You know, why would I? Why would I correlate one to another? And I think that's what keeps us in 74 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:02,160 bondage to some of our trauma. Others, you know, like our typical male response is I can't be bothered 75 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,960 with an emotional response to this. So I'm just going to plow through it like a bison. And so 76 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,840 I think women should be easier at dealing with trauma because they're more in touch with their 77 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,320 emotions. But I don't believe that they are because they deny that there might be a problem. 78 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:24,560 And thus we have the male and female dynamic of problems and solutions and care and support and 79 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:31,600 everything that causes those to fall short, right, in our humaneness, in our imperfectness, 80 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,920 in our humaneness, we mess with that, we interrupt that, or we don't know how to cooperate with that, 81 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:43,680 which is really its perfect segue point because so trauma, right, trauma is a separation is caused 82 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:50,720 by pain. And it's, it also it cleaves deeply into the self to the point where we actually 83 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:58,640 disidentify with who we truly are at our core. So even the way that God made you and molded you, 84 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:05,840 the way that you fire and the way that you're wired, okay, this trauma actually tears you away 85 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:13,600 from your true identity. And perfect example would be from the biblical story of where Jesus was 86 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:23,120 tested after his baptism when he wanders off into the wilderness and is tested and tempted by Satan 87 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:30,000 in his weakness, right. Same waits till he's good and hungry 40 days and then he slithers his way 88 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:38,560 in there. But he always first and foremost attacks Jesus's identity if you are the Son of God, 89 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,400 dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, right. But he, but Jesus was so meek. He's like, I don't need to prove myself 90 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:51,200 to you. Well, he modeled for us what I was reminded of last night, which is it's in submission 91 00:10:51,200 --> 00:11:01,280 to God that we have remission of sin and separation and we're able to actually have the strength 92 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:08,400 and the fortitude with God's help to resist evil, to resist Satan, to resist darkness, and then 93 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:18,080 the darkness flees, then it's released, then it gives up. But only after we've submitted do we get 94 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:25,600 to see that remission. It's interesting. I can't wait to do the show notes for this. They're going 95 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:33,040 to be so powerful. Yes. And so, and just building on that, right, so a little tool for you is 96 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:42,480 anytime you say the word if, think about it, pause for a second because you're actually, 97 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:49,360 consciously or not, you're moving into a fearful, doubtful place. If is a little acronym, 98 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:56,320 little mini acronym, into fear. If you are the Son of God, Satan's attacking Jesus with fear. 99 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:03,920 If you are causing him to, if he buys into that lie, if he makes agreements with that doubt, 100 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:13,200 then he actually separates from history identity. But this is the same for us. If that is the case, 101 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:19,200 if, if this is who you say you are, if this is how God made you, if this is truly your name in 102 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:28,800 nature, if this is your character, then, but we're always bowing to a lower nature if we submit to 103 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:35,360 that doubt and that fear. We're always actually relinquishing our power, our authority, our 104 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:42,000 identity over to a lower nature when we buy into that lie of fear with if. It's like you're stepping 105 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:47,040 down from the throne. Like he puts you on the throne beside him and you're just like, oh, 106 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,680 I'm going to get off for a little bit. Yes. And it's, you know, when we're sealed in salvation, 107 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:56,160 that's where I'm going next, is we're, we're lifted from the pit and put in the palace. 108 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:06,640 We're put on the throne at the right hand with the Father, with Jesus. And that's our position 109 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:16,000 and our grace gift to do with it what we will. But if we submit to God's will, things go better for 110 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:23,360 us. For sure. I find. Oh yeah, look at us now. Look at us now. I mean, if, if you don't heal from 111 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,400 the trauma, it seems to me that we take a lot more strolls back to familiar and comfort in the pig's 112 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:35,920 dye or in the cell, the dungeon, wherever it is that we felt safe before we met Jesus. I feel 113 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:42,720 that we continually turn to that place until we trust him, until we believe in him. And now I'm 114 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,560 finding out trauma plays a large part in this as well. And I believe healing from that trauma would 115 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:54,800 help keep you from running back to that safe space of familiarity. It's not better. It's just comfortable 116 00:13:54,800 --> 00:14:00,400 because you know it. And how sad is that that you would run to a prison cell because you are 117 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:05,600 familiar that it brings you comfort because you know the walls, because you know the smells, 118 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,840 you know the drip in the corner, you know the spiders, you know the, you know, you know it. 119 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,960 It's so familiar, but it's not where you want to be. But it terrifies you to leave that place. 120 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,920 It terrifies you to walk into the open love of God that he's provided us in this world, to step out 121 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:26,160 into true freedom. And I would love to figure out how to fix that for everybody so that we don't 122 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:33,280 keep running back to that cave. Well, here's a clue. Speaking to that, right? And you're so 123 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:41,600 right when you say we go back to that place, retreat to a place that is familiar, that is, 124 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,080 at one time, we perceived it as safe or safer than the danger that's going on. 125 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,400 Yeah, it's like the Israelites. We want to go back to slavery instead of being free and going to the 126 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,000 Promised Land. Right, because it's what they knew. Yeah, yeah, they didn't have any idea. It's what they 127 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:00,800 experienced. The glory. Right. They could have been living in. Right. And so- But God's still provided, 128 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:07,760 even in their disobedience and their eh. They were just like groaning and they're like- 129 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:13,920 There were a couple of corrections along the way. Yeah. And you notice, when I shared my testimony 130 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:22,560 last time, I've had several inflection points since then and continuing onward. It's almost like 131 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:28,400 God gave me one collapsed vision and message for my life that would take my whole life to impact. 132 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:34,320 And one of the things I'm realizing per your comment, it acts activating an insight, 133 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,520 like when I was in hell and I was seeing this prison cells that I've talked about and if you 134 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:45,200 haven't tuned into it, go check out my episode. To assume you will serve back in November of 135 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,760 23. And I chose, let me tell you- Or December. It didn't mean it was simple or that it was easy, 136 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:57,040 but I chose. I made my choice, right? But when I was in that place of the pit and the 137 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:04,800 culmination of human suffering and separation from the love of God that we describe and we 138 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:12,880 characterize and articulate as hell. When I was in this place, I looked at the other souls that were 139 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:18,240 trapped there and they were in prison cells. They were torture chambers. They were being tortured 140 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:27,200 by the low, the demonic, the dark, the awful things. The doors were not locked. 141 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:37,920 Were they open? Not open, but a jar. They could have been pushed open. They could have been pushed 142 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:44,160 open and walked out of. They were not in any way confined or locked into that place. They were not 143 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:51,920 sealed into that place. The door was left ajar. The prison was not locked. It reminds me of that one 144 00:16:51,920 --> 00:17:01,120 Lindy Lundy video about the, um, you can walk out. Oh, Eric Ludi. Ludi. Eric Ludi. He had a, 145 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,240 like a 10 minute, 11 minute gospel. You know what is the gospel and that's part of it was 146 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:12,160 the door to the prison cell is open. Like walk out. You know, feel the freedom, feel the open air 147 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:17,440 upon you. And too many of us are cozy in there. You know that we have accepted Jesus as our savior 148 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:24,400 and that's a powerful thing. That Jesus died for us and most Christians stay there. Sit on that and 149 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:31,200 don't like what purpose are you fulfilling there? Like not God's. You're saying that I want this, 150 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:36,720 but I want it on my terms. And I think God's okay with that. I think he's okay with that. And he's 151 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:42,560 going to use who he's going to use and you're only going to sit there as long as he lets you sit there. 152 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,920 Right? And if you sit there your whole life, then that's what God wanted you to do, that you were 153 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,000 an inspiration to someone somewhere that you're unaware of. But that's up to him. That's his 154 00:17:52,000 --> 00:18:05,280 glorious burden. And it is. So one correction I would invite for conversation is that that place 155 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:15,200 of sin and separation and safety and trauma infused, trauma bonded place of familiarity, right? 156 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:22,400 It's blocking our blessing, but there's a very practical reason as to why. This is so, so God. 157 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:28,240 This is so God to do this, right? Making human beings. He gave us in our humaneness, 158 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:36,880 certain human needs. And guess what? We have three sets, six total contradictory human needs. 159 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:44,960 And one of them, the one of the two juxtaposed two sides of the same coin, one layer of them 160 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:53,840 is the need for certainty. And it's contrast and it's contradicted with the need for variety, 161 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,720 variety in our experience, its sense of adventure. Because if you think about it, those two things 162 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:04,160 are diametrically opposed. You have this certainty, I know that I know that I know this is certain, 163 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:09,200 this is true. I crave this, I crave this anchor in my life to keep me from drifting out at sea, 164 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:18,400 right? But then we have this invitation and call to adventure that life offers us. Sometimes in 165 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:25,440 the small daily ways, sometimes we seek newness of experience in trivial ways. Sometimes it's big, 166 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:33,120 grand gestures of goodness that God will offer. Sometimes it's an invitation to go on a journey 167 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:39,440 and leave all sense of certainty and surrender to all that will come with the journey and the 168 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:46,320 trials and tribulations that are surely waiting for you along the road. But you're going to be okay. 169 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:51,760 But even in our humanists, we have these contradictory needs. It's ridiculous. Think about it. So 170 00:19:51,760 --> 00:20:03,200 my point to you, Josh, is that it's a deception to buy into the idea that we're safe in that place. 171 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:12,960 As you know, it's a very dangerous place to stay in that place of familiarity, perceived, 172 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:21,520 comfort, felt, sense of false safety or security. It's hard to grow there. It's hard to grow there 173 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:29,520 because you can't go there. You're taken there. You're dragged. It's a safe place by name only. 174 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,120 By name only. You're only there because it's familiar. You're familiar with the coldness. 175 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:37,920 You're familiar with the attacks. You're familiar with the aggressors. You're familiar with every 176 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:43,120 aspect of it. And so it feels safe because you feel like you have some control, which is also 177 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:48,960 crazy because you have zero control. Zero. Zero. The only thing you would lose is your 178 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,840 illusion of control. The only thing to lose is the illusion of control. 179 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,400 Profound. What? We could, these mics cannot be dropped. Praise God for that. But we could drop 180 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,720 a mic on that moment right there. I mean, that's, that's powerful. Thank you for that. That's really 181 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:16,000 good. Wow. So I'm stepping back for a moment. I want to invite you two to come into the conversation 182 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,200 a little more because I don't, this is not me talking to many kind of thing. This is a conversation. 183 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:29,920 That's fine. In your experience with your own personal trauma, how hard was it? You said last 184 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:36,800 night you had a moment. How hard was it to let go of the things of which you held on so tightly, 185 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:42,800 consciously or unconsciously, that you deemed was the worthy? And I'm putting quotation marks 186 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:50,560 with my fingers. You all can't see it. You're safe place. Thank you. There were moments. Okay. 187 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:57,360 It was, it was profound. There was moments of release and relief and deliverance. And I fought 188 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:05,840 that, not consciously, but I fought that. I fought to receive it. I fought to open up to it. And it 189 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,880 was even in that moment and even in this moment, I'm being shown something else about it. Where 190 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:23,520 out of a traumatic place, I mistook an identity, a characteristic of myself, to be me, but it was 191 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:34,960 not me and it was never me. And that is the spirit of striving. And I have since a traumatic moment 192 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:41,120 happened, maybe we go there, maybe we don't. I'll share what's on my heart to share, but 193 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:50,640 since that moment and repeatedly since then, I've leaned into an aspect of what I thought to be my 194 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:59,680 personality, but I was actually in spiritual bondage. I was in a prison that I was choosing to sit in, 195 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:05,600 but I didn't know that I wasn't. It's usually the way it goes. It's usually the way it goes. And I 196 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:12,960 quoted Carl Jung as I do often that until the unconscious becomes conscious in your life, 197 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,720 it will control and direct your life and you'll call it fate. And then my adaptation to that quote 198 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:25,120 is, as long as the unconscious stays unconscious in your life, it will control and direct your life, 199 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,360 we'll call it God's will and we'll blame God for the results or the lack thereof. 200 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,240 We'll blame God for the lack of change, the lack of healing. We'll burden him, we'll say it's your 201 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:44,560 fault, pointing the finger, pride. We don't know what we don't know until we have this revelation 202 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,600 from God. And it's usually in the, like, I don't know, whatever you want to do, God moments that 203 00:23:49,600 --> 00:24:00,720 he gives us that. I have another question. In this process, how much of it was held on to by your 204 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:06,720 psyche, by your ego, by yourself? How much was it held on to because of generational curses? 205 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,240 Right? How much have you, has your family invited in that you were born, we're all born in this 206 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:18,240 and but how many are specifically tailored to you that when you suffer to trauma and have a deeper 207 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,200 bite, right? It really latched on because I know some people, you know, they struggle with addictions, 208 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,120 but addictions are different. Why is somebody alcoholic? Why is somebody porn addict? Why is 209 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:32,160 somebody into this or into that? Right? Because they're traumatized in different ways. But is 210 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,760 it generational curse that helps lock these things in? And it is. And it definitely is. And that gives 211 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:44,240 it teeth. It makes them stick longer and bite harder. It really does. And, you know, last night, 212 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:50,560 I was prayed over, I was anointed, I was all kinds of deliverance and support and just, you know, 213 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:57,840 people gathering around to just to show me the love and support of God. 214 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,080 It's incredible. That's awesome. And the feeling you feel right now is nothing compared to what 215 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,480 you're going to feel when you're before His presence, right? The awesomeness that you're 216 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,560 feeling, the overwhelming love of God that you can tell, I can see it on your face, 217 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,880 is nothing compared to when you're actually basking in His glory. It's going to be so incredible. 218 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,560 And I can't even conceptualize it, not even remotely. And you can't. I tried to do it on 219 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:33,360 that prior episode. I tried to unpack and articulate the glory that awaits us in that heavenly place 220 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:42,400 and space. But it's words do not suffice. It is truly an ineffable, undescribable, beyond human 221 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:49,520 conception of understanding to grasp that. And even for the 10 seconds or 10 minutes, whatever 222 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:58,480 I got, it was enough to turn the tide in my life and flip the boat and throw me in the water that is 223 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,760 God, the ocean of God's presence and the invitation that He brings us into. 224 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,360 Ten minutes of God pouring into you is enough for a lifetime. 225 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,800 Yeah, it was more than enough. It was more than enough. And that's another... 226 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:20,480 So it's crazy. Speaking of generational curses, to speak to that, and the invitations that come 227 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:29,760 into our family lines, bloodlines, our spiritual DNA, and our generations of our lineage and legacy 228 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:40,000 are confounded and confused and stricken by these awful things. And the crazy thing is, it's a... 229 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:47,920 And I'm reminded of this last night. I had a long extended break from battling the forces of darkness 230 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:55,120 in my daylight, okay? But last night I got a fresh reminder of the power and the potency of the 231 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:00,880 principalities that are at war, not with our flesh. They could care less. They're at war with our 232 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:07,360 spirit. They're trying to take the glory. They're trying to steal the show. They're trying to 233 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:18,880 oppress us in rare cases, possess us, and take full control where God is not granted sovereignty 234 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:25,920 and where we are poor stewards of that in our life. And for me, there was generational curses 235 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:36,080 multiple, but fatherlessness is a big one. My father and... Well, me, my father and father before 236 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,880 him, lots of fatherlessness. And that's a serious wound. The father wound is really powerful, very 237 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,400 deep for a lot of people as we know and... Especially for men, I believe. Yes, yes. And 238 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,720 it's crazy because what was invited into this place of pain and trauma in my life was a stack 239 00:27:53,920 --> 00:28:00,880 of demonic oppression, a stack. Last night we went through a hierarchy of oppression 240 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:11,200 on my life, on my family line. It's incredible. And I was in utter... Not disbelief, because I 241 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,000 believed it. It was happening. I was experiencing it. I didn't have any room for doubt. There was no 242 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:29,760 if. It was happening. Okay? I was astounded at the calling out of entities named the casting out 243 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:36,880 and the casting down of these powers and oppression over my life. These forces of an 244 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:43,520 agents of darkness that are operating behind the scenes, unconscious, removed just far enough away 245 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:51,840 to be absent, seemingly so, but just close enough to influence, just close enough to taint and to 246 00:28:51,840 --> 00:29:02,480 corrupt and to infuse lies and strife and struggle into my journey. And it's crazy because none of it 247 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:10,240 was a me problem. None of it was my father's or their father's problem. The problem is pain. 248 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,240 The problem is pain. The problem is separation. It creates a gap. And as I said, when this trauma 249 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:25,440 happens, our soul and self-split and in that gap, evil finds a way to find its way into that place 250 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:31,120 if we're allowing it. And a lot of times trauma happens mostly in our little life, 251 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:36,800 mostly in our developmental years, where we don't have the resources or the wherewithal to push back 252 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:43,440 against it, to fight it, to recognize it, to be aware of it. And so in that place of ignorance, 253 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,320 of just not knowing and not having the wisdom, not having the awareness and the tools and the 254 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:58,320 support, evil finds a way to get in there and wreak some havoc. And so with that, it causes us problems 255 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:06,720 in our life. It leads to patterns in our life and earlier addiction was brought up and I contend with 256 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:14,720 the modern take on addiction and the interventions that are available because we're never addicted 257 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:21,440 to the thing. It's never the alcohol. It's never the pornography. It is never the food. It is never 258 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:28,480 the person in a codependent situation. It's never the physical thing. It's the feeling. It's the 259 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:36,000 feeling and underneath of that, it's what drives us to seek the feeling. We're brought into a low 260 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:42,560 place. We're brought into a painful place. And so we seek a salve. We're seeking a relief. We're 261 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,840 seeking a lift. We just want to lift. We just want some help in that place. But what we think is 262 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:53,920 going to help never does it, never delivers or never satisfies its temporary. And so in that place 263 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,840 of pain, in that place of being pushed by the pain, we seek pleasure. We avoid and we push down, 264 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:07,120 we repress and suppress the pain. It patterns itself into a problem in our life and then the 265 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,720 habits form around that and package that and seal that and lock that in our flesh and our body. 266 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,760 And it's a ripple effect. That's the problem with desire is once you have it, you realize it was 267 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,760 the wanting that was what drove you. It wasn't the once you have it like, okay, how many people 268 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,360 have given up on something once they have it? It was the wanting and not the having. In other words, 269 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:35,760 it was lack that drove us to that place hoping to get lucky, hoping something would work out, 270 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:41,440 hoping something would stick. It reminds me of Matthew 633, but first seek first the kingdom of 271 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,240 God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added to you. So He'll give you exactly 272 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,040 what's going to fill that hole and that's basically Him. I heard a pastor talk about the 273 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:58,880 Garden of Eden and how what the devil tempted us was lack, right? He tempted us with what he said 274 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,600 we were lacking. And this I forget the name of this guy. So if you Google whoever said this, 275 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,520 that's the guy who said it. And they had to walk past to get to the center of the garden where 276 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:15,200 this tree was, they had to walk past abundance to either the tree of which they were lacking. 277 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,960 That is the downfall of us is that we continue to seek that where we're lacking and walk past 278 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:30,000 the abundance that is all around us. So I want to invite some conversation around salvation 279 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,480 because again I think it's a very misunderstood thing and you highlighted at Josh earlier when 280 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:43,440 you spoke to how we can get our, we could punch our salvation card, we could make agreements, 281 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,120 we can let Jesus in, let God into our lives and accept that and receive that and but then we 282 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,480 can sit down with that and I think that's a problem that a lot of people face where 283 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,280 for whatever reason we don't we don't walk in that, we don't continue to grow in that, 284 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,240 we don't continue to receive more of that. They lack the discipleship. 285 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:10,880 Or they lack belief. They believe that it could be for them. They believe that that God could 286 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:17,280 really see worth in them. They could really love them. They could really share His kingdom with them 287 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,000 because when I look at the horrible things I've done, I look at the horrible life I have, 288 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:31,760 could there be such a being so great, so magnanimous, so outwardly almighty, creator of everything, 289 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,160 could this being that can hold the universe in the palm of hand still regard me? 290 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,160 It is biblical but how hard is it for us to believe that we are the apple of His eye? 291 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,440 Right? That He didn't just create us as a project. It wasn't just some side thing like hey, 292 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,880 like in a video game, Nathan would play because we're not a side quest. We're the main objective. 293 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:59,360 He literally created us relationship with Him. Like at the end of the day, He is like a kid on 294 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,320 Christmas morning for the day of the rapture when all His people are there and He gets to have 295 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:13,440 everybody that loves Him in His presence. Imagine how excited He is for us and we just are obliterated 296 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:23,040 by our own self-worth. We are. And even what you said there, I think is a, I don't know, I think, 297 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:38,000 I know is a systematic deception. Meaning there's a system built in place to attack what you just 298 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:44,640 put forth. And it's crazy how deep it goes and I've been pulling on that string for quite a while 299 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:54,080 just to see where it would lead. But God says, can't speak for God, let me just step back. 300 00:34:54,080 --> 00:35:03,600 The scripture says God makes it rain on the righteous and the wicked. God's love is not 301 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:15,360 just for those who love Him. Think about it. God's love is for all. God is love in fullness, 302 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:22,720 in person, beyond personification, beyond what we can understand as complete or whole or perfect. 303 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:30,880 God is love. And if love is truly love, then love does not pre-select who love loves. 304 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:40,800 Love is period. Love is for all period. Even for those. There's no discrimination. There's no 305 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,640 racism or racism involved in love. Okay, it is pure and it is undultrated. It is true and it is 306 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:53,440 complete. The problem is not whether or not God loves us, whether or not God receives us. 307 00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:02,640 It's the problem is whether or not we receive God. And that's salvation. Salvation writes salve, 308 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:14,800 salway, be well with you, peace. Salvation is healing for the soul. And Jesus' name is not Jesus, 309 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:24,480 it's Yeshua, Yahushua, Mahebaru language. Josh. He's at the table. We got a Yahushua with us 310 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:36,160 right now. And that name means God is salvation. God is salvation. But I wonder how much tribulation 311 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,360 is unconsciously called into a person's life because their personification of who provides the 312 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:54,000 salvation. Jesus is lifted to a place that Jesus never claimed. When we make Jesus the end 313 00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:06,000 and the sole source, we get mixed up because Jesus is the door. Jesus is the gate. Jesus is the 314 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,880 brand and the way of branding you with this seal of salvation. Like a purification straw. 315 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,960 A purification. You're going outdoorsy and you're drinking from the creek with your little 316 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:23,520 purification straw. You wouldn't do it without it, would you? No. No. But I think what happens is 317 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:32,080 people overlook God for Jesus. It's the weirdest thing in the world. Jesus, and I looked in the 318 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,560 scripture yesterday. It's because I wanted to come correct. I wanted to check myself at the door. 319 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,320 And I'm checking my ego. I am. I promise. I promise not to be too bold, but just bold enough 320 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:52,080 to say, why is it that Jesus never directly claimed Godship? Why is it that when asked, 321 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,920 are you the king of the Jews? And he returns the question to Pilate or returns the submission, 322 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:06,800 you say that I am. He deflected. Why? Because he's trying to draw attention to, in his 323 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:14,800 conceptualization is the Father, the Almighty, the Alpha and Omega, the overseer of overseers, 324 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:22,400 the king of kings, the capital C creator. Jesus was just trying to be a signpost to point the way. 325 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,560 Well, there's many inferences, right? Don't call me good for there's none good but my Father, 326 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:34,000 right? Why would Jesus say that? Now, Jesus, you know, wouldn't want to take away that Jesus is 327 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,840 the Son of God, that Jesus is God in the flesh, right? He is the conduit of which God uses to 328 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:47,200 model what we need to be. But Jesus himself says, if you ask my Father in my name, it will be given 329 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:54,160 on to you, right? That God is still the sovereign of that Trinity and that Jesus is Lord, but God 330 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,840 is God Almighty. And it is confusing when you consider if they are one and the same. And at 331 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:05,920 the same time, they're very distinctly different. And I do believe a lot of people pray more to Jesus 332 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,720 than they do to God and they forget that he is the one. He is the waymaker, that he is the miracle, 333 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,960 he's the miracle maker, right? Jesus created miracles because of God, right? He prayed, 334 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,560 he would talk to God even though he is him, right? That's him. He would still bring his life to prayer, 335 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:28,960 he would still submit to the will of God, right? And God told Jesus, no, right? Hey, if this could 336 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,920 be passed for me, have this cut passed for me and he didn't get an answer or he did and they 337 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,760 didn't write it down, but that he had asked three times and he still went to the cross, what do 338 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:44,480 you think God's answer was? No, I need this to be you. And he did it. And that is the example we 339 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,240 should have as our relationship with God is I come to God and he says, I still need you to do the 340 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:55,680 hard thing. Okay, you will come into my glory. I promise you, but you need to do this hard thing. 341 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,480 Mm-hmm. Right, well, Lord, I don't really want to do it, but you will be done. Perfect. And then 342 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,320 tomorrow, Lord, I don't really want to do this, but you will be done. Perfect. Your heart still 343 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,680 aligned with mine. Yes. You're allowed to not like the idea. You're allowed to not like the situation. 344 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,480 You're allowed to not like what's going on, but you are not allowed to be disobedient. Yeah, 345 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,120 you need that obedience. But he still gives us grace for it. And he knew that if in those times 346 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,840 that we are, and he'll give us another test, he'll keep testing us until we pass. And then we have 347 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:31,760 another test. So quick thought. We have a Yeshua. We have a Yahushua at the table. God is salvation. 348 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:42,720 You have a Jonathan, Jonathan at the table. God is gracious. And then we have Michelle at the table. 349 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:53,280 Question mark. Who is like God? We have this triangulation of unpacking, you know, the more 350 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,240 the deeper meat and meaning behind the word salvation and how, how we receive it, how we 351 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:04,480 can accept it, how we can be accepted into and brought into this place of kingdom stewardship 352 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:13,280 and ownership and leadership. And it's insane because I can't help but, you know, marvel at the 353 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,640 story that's unfolding right before us in this conversation. Like, it's so good. It's got to be 354 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:25,360 God. It's so good. It's got to be God. There's just an extra O in there for the, oh, it's, 355 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:32,560 yeah, it is. And earlier you brought this up, Josh, the people wrestle with their belief. 356 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:40,480 And the thing about belief is you'll be living what you believe, even if you'd be lying. 357 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:49,760 And we live, it's like, if someone makes agreement with an idea, makes an agreement with a belief, 358 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:57,200 the test is in the walk, the test is in the step, the test is in the walking that out, right? So 359 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:05,040 when we believe God, first of all, let's back up for even from there. Who could believe? Who could 360 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:11,520 believe how good God is? Who could believe how good salvation is that it's free 99? 361 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:19,280 It's, it's like, there's no cost. Well, we'll get to that part. But there's no restriction, 362 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:25,760 no discrimination, no racism, no racism about it. It's a free gift. That's the message of my life. 363 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:31,920 Everything on my body right now, by the way, was given to me. Every article of clothing was given 364 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:38,080 to me. My life was given back to me, I almost threw it away. But God met me in that place 365 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:46,080 and showed me some meat and meaning behind the word salvation that I could experience. I had the, 366 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:53,120 I was in the lap of luxury of the father of fathers and king of kings. And I got to taste and see, 367 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:59,120 I got to experience, I was given that so that I could share it, I learned that later, right? But 368 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:06,640 I was given that because it's too good that I wouldn't have believed it. We struggled with, if we 369 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:12,480 can't believe it, we won't see it and we won't receive it. That's the thing. That's the rub. And 370 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:20,320 so, you know, consider the cause of rebellion that is the atheist, the, the not to goddess, 371 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:29,600 right? God is so good and we look at the world that's not entirely good and we can't, in our 372 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:37,200 humaneness, in our reason, in our philosophy, in our psychology reconcile those things. And so, 373 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:45,120 the idea that prospect the offer of salvation by grace, the salvation is a gift of healing for 374 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:53,920 the soul from God, direct line from all that is and all that is love and all that is good. 375 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:03,040 We can't, in our humaneness reconcile with that. And I said to God, as God is standing before me, 376 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:16,640 in the spirit, you came to me. I said that out of my humanness, out of my disbelief, of my low, 377 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:24,320 low, low view of my own worth and value in his sight. That's where that came from. And so, 378 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:32,400 we believe ourselves to be unqualified to receive the goodness that is salvation as a free gift. 379 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:38,720 We can't conceptualize or bring ourselves to the revelation of the truth of that. 380 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:46,880 It's too much. That's why people wrestle with God. That's why his people are Yisra'el. That's why we 381 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:55,360 contend and we wrestle with even just the idea of that, approaching that thought, to even entertain 382 00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:03,280 the thought and let it nestle in our heart. I can't do it. Even the act of receiving salvation 383 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:12,400 is an act of God. We participate. We allow. We cosine that. But we don't even initiate that. 384 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:19,040 It's like, dang, I have a small role in this part to play, but I have a role. You have a role. 385 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,920 You're listening to this. You have a role to play. Then it's not small to God. It's not. 386 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,320 He didn't create you for a small part. It's great for his kingdom. It serves him. It 387 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:33,360 serves his glory and it serves the people he created. So, it reminds me of the story of the 388 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,880 prodigal son and how the father meets the son, right? Because the son's coming back. I'm not 389 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:44,400 worth anything. Maybe my dad will have me work and he feeds him better than I'm being fed and 390 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,360 he maybe he'll let me have it because of who I am. Maybe he'll remember me. And not only does 391 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,480 he remember me, he meets him halfway. The guy probably reeked of pig sty and was probably not 392 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,720 clean and he's kissing him and he's putting a ring on his finger and he's redressing him. He's 393 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:03,040 having this big party and then it leaves at that and he goes and talks to the brother that's sulking 394 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:09,120 but we never hear what the brother was thinking that was just redeemed, right? And I think that is 395 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:14,880 for our part to think about that this man probably could not believe what he was hearing from his 396 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,360 father, his own father who he's lived with this whole life and he still thinks with this penic heart, 397 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,320 right? This idea that I deserve to pay penance for what I've done. I deserve punishment still 398 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:32,160 even though I'm back at my father's house. I still deserve this horrible, horrible life to be 399 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,960 bestowed upon me because I squandered what my father has given me. I knew what I had. I gave it up 400 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:44,400 and now I'm back to serve for him and he's having none of it and it's a struggle that we all face 401 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,600 that we have a hard time assessing our self-worth because of our sin, because of our our misdeeds, 402 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,480 because of how we've mistywered what God has given us and when he accepts us we have a hard time 403 00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:01,440 stepping the fact that we are fully accepted, that Jesus paid for us fully, that we are welcoming 404 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:07,520 God's house fully. There isn't like a down payment that was paid. Yeah, no contingency contract. 405 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,880 There isn't monthly payments. There isn't interest. There isn't anything else to it. You were accepted 406 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:19,920 fully into it and your self-worth doesn't matter, right? What you feel about yourself is irrelevant 407 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,240 because God has accepted you and you can go ahead and kick yourself in the butt all day long but 408 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:28,640 it's not going to change the fact that you've been accepted into the house of God and that he 409 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,920 wants you there and the only person beating you up is now you and the enemy of course is going to 410 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,880 taunt you. Oh, it's always an inside job. Yeah, well, hold on. In us to work against ourselves. I am 411 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:45,200 the problem. Right. And once we learn that we are fully accepted, once we can accept that we're 412 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:51,360 fully accepted then the lies of the enemy get weaker and weaker, get softer and softer. You 413 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,880 bounce off that shield of faith. But that's a process that he doesn't talk about in the 414 00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:00,320 Part of the Son is accepting the fact that and it has to come every day, right? I woke up in my room 415 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,680 and not in the servants quarters. I was fed by the servants. I didn't feed my family, right? So every 416 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:11,840 day I'm experiencing the truth that I've been accepted, right? And it's really hard for me 417 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:19,040 to accept what I'm living in is truth, that this is a fact that God has accepted me and I am not 418 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,880 where I should be. That to me is pretty profound. It's incredibly profound and we live what we 419 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,480 believe even if it's a lie until we encounter the truth. And then we learn, I mean, then we have to 420 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:36,080 learn the process of living that and that's that's something of stewardship and discipleship and 421 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:42,080 submission and surrender and grace upon grace upon notification. Oh yeah, and purification. 422 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:49,680 But the fundamental lie, though, that people believe that they've already bought paid for, 423 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,280 paid in full, paid with interest, down payment monthly payments, all the payments, okay, the lie 424 00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:05,360 is actually that we could somehow be separate, truly from the love of God. It can't be done 425 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:14,320 because you were created in and out of and through love. As was I, as was those that we love, right? 426 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,000 And God's love knows no bounds. There's no boundaries. There's no break point. 427 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:27,200 There's no short point, but there is a choice point. The choice point is to accept that sometimes 428 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,240 daily until we get the fullness of the message and we start to live the truth 429 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,960 that actually has the power to set us free from the bondage we're in. But the lie, though, 430 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:45,280 don't miss it. The lie is that we could somehow be separated from the love of God because it can't 431 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:56,480 be done. But we can gloss over that, walk past the abundance, and go to the tree and partake of the 432 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:06,560 fruit of lie that is the belief that we're somehow separate from God. But Jesus and those like Him 433 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:14,800 and learn to walk like Him are beacons of light and hope that point the way and the destination is 434 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:21,280 always full and final. And it's the Father. It's the love of God Almighty. It's the love of 435 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:29,760 capital C Creator. And coming into harmony and agreement with that, which is that is being 436 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:37,200 and becoming itself. The I am that I am, the I am whom I am, the great I am. It's coming into 437 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:43,920 agreement with that I am, that name and nature, that all truth and all realness and all revelation 438 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:54,480 is revealed for us personally, for us communally, and for us ultimately. And that is a scratch of 439 00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:02,240 the surface of the message of how good God is and how good salvation is. It's so good. We can't even 440 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:08,720 believe it, but it's not a scam. It's the best thing on offer. It's the best thing on offer. 441 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:14,400 It's free 99. You just sign up. No, they don't even ask for your contact. 442 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,640 And ever since the particulate fruit of good and evil, right? We have a hard time believing it's 443 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:26,560 not a scam. Right. We have a hard time believing anything too good to be true is a lie. But God 444 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:35,360 is way too good to be true. And yet it's true. And yet here he is. Yes, right, right, right. So good. 445 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:42,560 I was thinking back to, you don't know this yet, Ian, but the episode before you was Joseph 446 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:50,320 Chacon from Ghana, and he was talking about how to live a better life. And one of the ways that we 447 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:59,760 can lead a better life is dealing with that drama and building that relationship with Jesus. And I 448 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,520 just wanted to do a little segue. And you know, if you haven't received Jesus into your heart, 449 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:12,320 I just want to leave you in a little prayer. We learned from season two, episode one of the 450 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:18,320 gospel winning script. And it just invites you into the kingdom. And I just wanted to share that with 451 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,200 you. Let me quickly share with you what the Holy Bible reads. It reads, for all have sinned and 452 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,720 come short of the glory of God and for the wages of sin is death. But the gift of God is eternal life 453 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:34,560 through Jesus Christ our Lord. The Bible also reads, for whosoever shall call upon the name of the 454 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,520 Lord shall be saved. And you're whosoever, right? Of course you are. All of us are. 455 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,960 Well, I'm going to say a quick prayer for you. Lord bless this listener and their family with 456 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,000 long and healthy lives. Jesus, make yourself real to them and do a quick work in their life. 457 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,600 If they haven't received Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, I pray that they do so now. 458 00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,480 Listener, if you would like to receive the gift that God has for you today, say this after me with 459 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:08,720 your heart and lips out loud. Dear Lord Jesus, come into my heart. Forgive me of my sin. Wash 460 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:17,840 me and cleanse me. Set me free. Jesus, thank you that you died for me. I believe that you are risen 461 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:24,080 from the dead and that you're coming back again for me. Fill me with the Holy Spirit. 462 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:31,360 Give me a passion for the lost. Hunger for the things of God and a holy 463 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:40,320 boldness to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm saved. I'm born again. I'm forgiven. 464 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:47,600 And I'm on my way to heaven because I have Jesus in my heart. Now, as minister of the gospel of 465 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:53,760 Jesus Christ, I tell you today that you and all of your sins are forgiven. Always remember to run 466 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,920 to God and not from God because he loves you and he has a great plan for your life. 467 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,480 I, listener, I want to invite you to find a local church, let the Holy Spirit lead you, 468 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:10,800 and go to that church, go to the pastor and the prayer team and say, hey, I received Jesus 469 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,840 into my heart and I need help on what to do next. Jesus wants that relationship with you. 470 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:23,360 The Father, he really, really wants you to know his kingdom and we're just inviting you into that 471 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:29,840 today because God and Jesus can change everything. So let the Holy Spirit speak to you. I pray that 472 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,520 you had someone come to your mind and you can share this episode with them and this podcast 473 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:42,320 and just build that relationship with Jesus because he wants that better life for you and 474 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:50,400 he wants you to be free. If this podcast has blessed you, we ask that you can make 475 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:56,320 a donation or a prayer and there's links on various ways to donate in the about section 476 00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:21,120 of the podcast and we would greatly appreciate the help. All right, with that, we'll talk to you next time.