1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,560 Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast, where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's 2 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:18,560 Goodness and modern-day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Jelly Hankins. Today we have with us 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:24,320 a special guest. We know him from church years ago when we went to a different church, and he 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:31,680 has this awesome organization, and it helps reach forgotten peoples in restricted and closed countries. 5 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:37,760 So countries that don't want Jesus, he goes. So I'll let him reveal as many details as he feels 6 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:44,640 comfortable with. But today we have with us Todd Matthews, and he's going to open this episode with 7 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,960 an opening prayer. Well, thanks so much, Jelly. Lord God, we just worship you this morning. We 8 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:57,520 thank you so much for the opportunity to be together and to just really give you glory for what you 9 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:03,040 do in our lives, what you do in our city, in our neighborhoods, Lord, what you do all around the world. 10 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,880 And we're just grateful, Father, this morning to be a small part of a big thing, Jesus, and that big 11 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:15,840 thing is your kingdom, your family, your work on earth that is really just a part of writing or 12 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:21,040 eternal history. And so we're so grateful, Father, we pray for each and every listener to this 13 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,560 podcast. Lord, would you bless them? Would you open their hearts? Would you open their 14 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,360 minds, Lord Jesus, this year, about what you are calling them to do in this world? 15 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,800 Lord, because we don't know how much time's left, but we know, Lord Jesus, that you are on the throne 16 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:40,720 today and forevermore. And so we give you glory and praise today in Jesus' mighty name. Amen. 17 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,560 Amen. Amen. Thank you so much for that. I appreciate that. 18 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,520 Now, while there are some people that have been on mission trips and they went for years, 19 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:57,360 and some people on our podcast as guests have made their life mission work, and some people just go 20 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:04,320 on random mission trips. And Todd is one of those people that made his life mission work. It revolves 21 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:12,560 around reaching out to people that most people don't even give a second thought to and even 22 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:20,000 knows other foreign languages to get into these countries where they don't want Jesus. And so 23 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:26,640 where would you like to start, Todd? I know you prayed about what to share and we'll let you start. 24 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Yeah. Well, I mean, we started from short-term trips. It was a short-term trip to Russia back in 25 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:43,600 1993. Maybe earlier than that, 92 maybe. What inspired you guys to do that? 26 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:50,800 Well, at that time, I was single. I didn't know my wife yet. I had gotten fired from a Christian 27 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:57,120 t-shirt company because they were doing some downsizing and some reorganization stuff. And 28 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,720 within two weeks, I found myself fully funded for a mission trip to Russia. It was like a total 29 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:10,960 surprise. Wow. But the thing that got me on that trip was it was a hockey missionary journey. So 30 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,800 like using hockey as the platform to get inside the former Soviet Union, the Iron Curtain, if you 31 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:23,440 will, had just came down about months before. And we went there as a total unrest. And we went there 32 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:29,120 to play hockey. And the hockey would gather these humongous crowds, you know, two and three thousand 33 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,160 people just to come to see these Americans and Canadians playing hockey against the Russians. 34 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,280 Wow. Yeah, in between periods, we'd preach the gospel. And during the days before the games and 35 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:45,760 stuff, we would go to orcineges and, you know, schools for children with special situations 36 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:52,400 and their lives and physical situations. And it was really just touching. But the thing that really 37 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,280 touched me the most on that trip was that there were people in the northern part of Russia, a place 38 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:03,280 called Romansk up in the Arctic Circle, a very remote area, terrible weather, obviously in the 39 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:10,240 Arctic Circle. They were just completely unreached to the gospel. And when we did like a street, open 40 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,440 air, kind of like worship and just, you know, like preaching, telling people about Jesus for the first 41 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,960 time, like people came to the Lord, you know, with tears, just crying. And I was kind of hooked at 42 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:26,720 that point because I saw people that had never heard Jesus before come to him and power and thought, 43 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:32,080 wow, there's just so many places where they haven't heard Jesus. And that kind of became just this 44 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:37,920 theme in my life that just began to like snowball where why should we have so many opportunities 45 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:44,080 to hear the gospel in the West and there's places that have never even heard the name of Jesus before. 46 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,480 And so that kind of set us out on a mission. And then when I got back from that mission trip 47 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:57,280 to Russia, I met my wife, Michelle, a youth group. And we both kind of just set up the course of 48 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:07,600 our lives to do mission work. And so in 1990, fast forward to 1999, we had been through like, 49 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:13,360 you know, the Bible school and getting married and having our first kid and all that stuff. And then 50 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,000 we launched out and we went to, and I'm not going to say the name of the nation, but I'm going to 51 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:26,320 give you listeners just a lot of hints on which nation it is. We went to the nation at that time 52 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:32,400 and up until very recently, it was the most populous nation in the world. And again, a nation that's 53 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:39,120 under the same ideology that Russia was under before the Iron Curtain came down. And so and to 54 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:45,680 this day, they still are a carmous nation. And so we moved there and we cut our teeth and missions 55 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:52,320 there, literally go into places that we had read and studied about that had no contact with any 56 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:58,000 Christian organization, any church, any non-mentionary, just anything that completely unreachable and 57 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:05,520 unengaged. And we'd go into these villages and, you know, set up the Jesus film and show the Jesus 58 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,520 film to people. And it was the first time they ever heard the name of Jesus. I'd say, have you ever 59 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:15,600 heard of Jesus before? People would say, who's that? Is that your uncle? And another lady said, 60 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,240 to me, I don't know what type of a thing you're talking about. She didn't know about what I think 61 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,200 she she knew I was talking about a noun. But she didn't know I was talking about a person, 62 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:30,240 place, anything. She had no idea what type of a thing I was talking about. This is our to understand 63 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:36,720 and comprehend. Yeah, absolutely. They haven't heard of this thing. Yeah. Jesus. We're used to 64 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:42,480 in the West, we're used to, you know, people know Jesus and what the cross kind of represents, 65 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,120 or not in the Ten Commandments or whatever, whatever basic background people might have. 66 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,920 But there there's nothing like you mentioned Moses, Noah, or whatever. There's nothing. 67 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:59,440 So we started with preaching with the Jesus film and there's massive response. And many times it was, 68 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,560 it was just accompanied by the power of God to, you know, where people were just repenting with 69 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:10,240 tears and just, you know, just coming before Jesus, some physical healings and just this openness. 70 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:16,160 But then inevitably every single time what would happen was the government would come in and they 71 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,520 would just kind of squelch, just squash everything that got started. And we kind of realized after 72 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,920 a while that we had to be more incognito, more kind of under the radar than coming out of this big 73 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:31,680 production, this big movie screen, and, you know, blasting this film to 100, 150, 200 people or whatever 74 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:39,600 at a time. And we had to just, you know, look for the man or the woman of peace. And that's 75 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,920 going to become a key principle in missions. And later, many people have begun to write about this. 76 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:51,120 That like finding the person of peace is just, is so key. And that principle translates anywhere. 77 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,560 If you want to reach a family somewhere, you want to reach a neighbor, you want to reach 78 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:02,240 someone at work, you just ask God for the person of peace. Who that person is, that's going to 79 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:08,080 welcome you, that's going to listen to you, and it's going to give you, give you time. And oftentimes 80 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:13,920 that person of peace leads to whole households being saved. Like for example, in the book of Acts, 81 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:20,400 Cornelius, or also in the book of Acts, the jailer there when Timothy and sorry, Paul and Silas were 82 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:26,640 in jail, and the whole jailer and his whole household got saved. Yeah, like this man of 83 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,120 peace process, and Jesus had something along those lines too. And I think Luke chapter 10 or 84 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:36,640 whatnot, when he sent the seventy out recent apostles out of the time. So if the person, 85 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,600 like we find the man of peace, that's the term. And so we moved more into that. This was all basically 86 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,280 the leading of the Holy Spirit, because this stuff wasn't out yet in like missions books and, 87 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:54,560 you know, strategies and theologies and or whatnot. Yeah. And so we found people of peace and key 88 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:59,920 villages. And then we began to build into them. And then they began to build into others. And then 89 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:06,000 that began to move at a, at a pace that was sustainable over over the course of years. 90 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:12,320 Like a ripple effect. Yeah. So not like a wave or a tidal wave effect. I would probably want to 91 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:19,120 emphasize that because it's it's like a slow coming kingdom sometime. Right. And, you know, of 92 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,920 course, we all want the methods and the fast ways and everybody thinks it's easy anyway overseas. 93 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:29,520 But it's not it's it's it's there's a receptiveness and the harvest is plentiful. 94 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,960 But the work to get that harvest. That's a tricky part. 95 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:40,320 A lot different. And the physical examples right there and how the land is like here in the states, 96 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,600 we've got planes and planes and planes of fields that we can just put a big old harvester, 97 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,120 you know, John Deere thing on and and make the harvest harvest, you know, with a thousand times 98 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,080 more efficient see than say in in other country we're talking about the user's chopsticks. 99 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,840 Like they have they have terraced fields and each field is a lot more work to maintain to keep it 100 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,640 level. You know, with mudslides come and just knock the whole field down to build the field yet. 101 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:14,480 And each field is so small because it's terraced up the mountain side. It can only be plowed, 102 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:19,760 harvested and, you know, planted by hand. Well, so even though the harvest is plentiful, 103 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:27,120 there's still a lot of hard work involved in doing that. And so as we began to reach the unreached and 104 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:33,760 just making an impact, we also noticed things like, you know, one of the village and hey, why 105 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,080 why do these kids have like blonde hair? You know, they have they have some like, you know, 106 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:44,000 American dude that came through here and spread a seed or something or what's going on. Yeah. 107 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:51,280 And then we learned to know it's not that it's a malnutrition. And so then you begin to see needs 108 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,880 that people have that you really can't turn your eye to. It would just be completely neglectful, 109 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:03,200 you know, the book of Proverbs is to not neglect the needs of the poor. And so we would see these 110 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,920 needs that like we felt like we could do some. So we begin to, you know, just simple things to 111 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:13,920 distribute vitamins and to try and help with nutrition, try to help with different projects 112 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,480 that would help them with clean water, just things that would help improve their life. 113 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:24,000 And those things and would help as well to, you know, obviously to promote the gospel. And so we 114 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:33,200 actually came to learn later that 80% of the world's unreached are poor. And so there was this like, 115 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,960 wow, there's this kind of like, not either or mentality that came to us, but both and like we 116 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:47,120 would want to see the spiritual need met first and foremost, but the physical need. If we could do 117 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:52,560 something about it, we're going to do something about it. And that led to one of our ministries, 118 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:58,880 which is in leprosy colonies, one of the guys that we had led to the Lord in an unreached 119 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:05,600 people group. He was the first person to come to faith. And he went through literally hell 120 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:13,040 with persecution. The government was after him, his family and everybody rejected him. This guy 121 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,400 couldn't find a wife for anything because they're just like, you're this stranger, you're just weird 122 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:25,280 because of his faith in Christ, because he's the only one. And he had remembered after he was 123 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:30,880 learned about the kingdom, and he was reading the word and filled with God's spirit. He basically said, 124 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:38,880 I grew up a mile away from a leprosy colony. And these people were quarantined in this place. And 125 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,000 we were told by our parents growing up never to go there, never to talk to anybody, never to drink 126 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,480 the water that flows down from their streams, never to eat the fruit of their trees. And of course, 127 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,360 they never touch anyone. And you know how we're told as kids like, hey, don't cross the street 128 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:58,560 without looking both ways or don't talk to a stranger or don't take candy from a stranger. 129 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,480 Well, this guy was told all these warnings about a leprosy colony. It was right up, you know, a 130 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:11,520 mile from his, from his home village up on a pyre up on the mountain. And he said, I feel like Jesus 131 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:18,560 is calling me there. And we were like, whoa, like, you know, first of all, like leprosy is 132 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:23,440 the same thing that we're talking about in the Bible. So he goes, we would think that's still around. 133 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:30,720 Yeah, exactly. And so, so he goes and he finds, you know, people with just deplorable conditions, 134 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:36,240 you know, hands and feet, you know, you know, been eroded off or whatever, and even eyelids where 135 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,760 people can't even blink their eyes because their eyelids are gone. It's just so much crazy stuff, 136 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:47,040 but they were so full of joy and they were actually quite receptive to the gospel. And so we've, 137 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,840 he started basically, you know, one of the biggest ministries to leprosy colonies in that 138 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:57,680 country that that's there now. And I think just, you know, probably in the past month, 139 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:02,800 they've probably been about 20 different leprosy colonies doing relief work and medical work and 140 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,760 projects of, you know, just improvement and development type of nature, all while, all while 141 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:14,400 nurturing disciples and baptizing believers and planting leprosy churches. And what was so beautiful 142 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:19,920 about that story was that he started all that while he was under persecution. And it was almost 143 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,560 like, well, you know, when life gives you lemonade, or sorry, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade, 144 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:30,640 he was like, you know, this is all I could do. And he did it. And on the flip side, things turned 145 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:36,080 around in his village in hometown and more believers came to the Lord and then they don't look so crazy. 146 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,040 And then multiply, multiply the disciples amongst his tribe now. Of course, they're still, 147 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,360 they're still persecuted that, you know, the police regularly visit regularly, threaten the 148 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,920 religious bureau does the same thing in certain family members, you know, are just completely 149 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:55,680 embarrassed by because it obviously affects their, you know, their status and society or whatever. 150 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,640 Even they even take different benefits from it. These are all agricultural people. So they take 151 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,920 different land stipends and seed provisions. They confiscate all that from the believers. 152 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,800 They even built, built new houses. The current president there wants to build favor amongst the 153 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:16,880 poor class. And so he has built new houses for them, but the Christians didn't get them. 154 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,800 And it's like, man, I'm like, they're suffering, suffering, but they've got the peace and the 155 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:30,000 joy of the Lord. And so during this whole time with, you know, with what was going on in China, 156 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,520 we also were being invited to different leadership gatherings throughout Asia. 157 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,600 And we were meeting just these incredible, like other worldly people and, you know, 158 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:47,280 people that made me feel like, man, I'm just, I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing so much for the 159 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:53,440 king. And I learned not to be condemned by it, but to say, Hey, what can we do? We can be inspired. 160 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:59,760 We can be inspired by it. We could help them. There's nothing to compare, but it's like, hey, 161 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:07,040 and let's add fuel to the fire. And so we had an international fellowship there in that country 162 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:13,520 with a lot of people. And they had the fellowship grew to about 300 different families and, you 163 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,280 know, people were in and out. So there's thousands of people in and out over the over the years. 164 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,640 And all of them were mainly like missionaries and, you know, like profit directors and different 165 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:29,360 things like that. And they, after a while, they dispersed the different nations. And of course, 166 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:36,000 the big disbursement came almost a diaspora, if you will, it came with persecution and then 167 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,440 COVID kind of finished it. We're just going home with all sorts of forward missionaries and workers 168 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:47,200 out in the local church and the house churches again, had to go underground to which they, 169 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,680 that's where they are right now currently. And so a lot of these missionaries went to other 170 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:57,200 countries too. So suddenly we found ourselves with all of these like trusted relationships all 171 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:04,000 throughout Asia, the Middle East, and just doing incredible things. And so we felt the Lord told 172 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:12,720 us to incorporate his feet international as a way to help to add fuel to the fire to what God's 173 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,080 doing. And amongst all these people that we know that are just trusted faithful co workers, 174 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:24,160 you know, and so for example, there's a couple we just visited last week, my wife and I were in 175 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:31,680 Myanmar. And this couple is rescuing girls from traffic situations. They're rescuing workers 176 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:38,400 that are forced to work in scam centers. You know, you get those like texts and phone calls or like 177 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:46,480 friend requests on Facebook, but people you don't even know that no mutual friends whatsoever. 178 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:52,080 And you know, who are these people, you know, yeah, maybe they try and let in with like pictures of 179 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,880 pretty women, but really it's like a scamster behind it. That's trying to get your money and 180 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:04,480 they have these full on scam centers in Myanmar. And these scam centers are run by Chinese mafia. 181 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:10,160 They've got guards everywhere with guns. And if they basically say they're hiring these college 182 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,280 graduates, college graduates, they hire them, they put them in this place, they never pay them, 183 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:21,760 they confiscate their ID. And at gunpoint, they make them scam people. And so sometimes when you 184 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,320 get those texts, you could think and pray that, Hey, somebody's on the other side of that. That's 185 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:32,000 probably being forced into some type of like modern day slave labor. And so we just went to that 186 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,280 work, which is a big project that his feet international has, where we're helping rescue 187 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:45,040 women from the sexual trafficking stuff and men from these scam centers. But then also they're 188 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:50,720 reaching people in the slums and they've seen 3000 people come to Jesus in the past year. Wow. 189 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,680 And so like stuff like that places like these nameless, faceless people, 190 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,080 you know, everybody's heard about the big, big organizations and everybody knows you could 191 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:05,360 sponsor a child through this one, or you can, you know, send a shoebox from that one or whatever. 192 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:10,640 But like there's actually nameless, faceless people on the ground. They kind of make all those 193 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:16,400 connections for all that stuff to happen anyway. But they, they are there serving and they sometimes 194 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:24,960 they need some oil. They need encourage for sure. And again, these are trusted, trusted people. 195 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,000 You know, we're working with that. Just one example, we've got the same thing. I mean, his 196 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:34,800 feet international has a board member. It's working in Turkey. And when the earthquake hit 197 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,280 there last year, they put on a major relief effort. And of course, we were able to help raise some 198 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:44,240 money for that relief effort. And people came to the Lord and raised all of that. And so that's 199 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:50,880 kind of like the quick synopsis of what has happened with, you know, with his feet international. 200 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:57,120 And like all of its miraculous, all of it has like New Testament kind of like vibes to it. 201 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:04,080 For sure. You know, like all the way around, for example, one of the big things that helped us to 202 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,720 get past the persecution and begin to accumulate believers and client churches amongst the 203 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:15,120 the people group where the leprosy ministry started was deliverance. You know, people were just 204 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:22,000 bound up and all sorts of spirit worship for millennia. For millennia, then they begin to 205 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:27,040 meet Jesus. And some of that stuff falls off. Some of that stuff needs cast out. And then 206 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:32,080 neighbors and different people that know them take notice. A lot of times like the healing 207 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:38,160 is kind of tied into some sort of spiritual demonic situation too, in that context. 208 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:44,480 For example, one lady was just a super influential lady. She's business woman. And she was bound, 209 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:50,160 she herself said she was delivered from 70 different demons. And we were there for some 210 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:56,080 of that deliverance that came out in more than one episode, if you know, but anyhow, 211 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:02,400 she was sick and dying. And her non believing husband heard about Christians who had power 212 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:10,480 over this type of stuff. And she took them to see them. And that's where she met Jesus. 213 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,400 And she was delivered. And then the healing came because the deliverance came first. 214 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:22,080 Nothing sense. Yeah. So all that stuff. Now, I don't have any magic formula for listeners as far as 215 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:28,080 anything other than just faith and obedience to see, you know, to see the miraculous happen. 216 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,480 And everybody looks for kind of somewhat somewhat of a step or a module or a slum. 217 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,600 It's really just faith and obedience and one step at a time too. 218 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:44,480 Exactly. Exactly. So I feel like it just rambled on for like 20 minutes or something. 219 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,160 Do you guys have any questions or is everything that you think you're your listeners would really 220 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:55,200 want to hear? So I have a question. Have you had any close calls like really close calls? 221 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,120 Are we talking like being arrested or are we talking like death? 222 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:07,520 I would think either. Right. They're being arrested might lead to the one defending where you are. 223 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:16,400 Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, tons of close calls on the road. We're talking like, 224 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:22,080 like serious roads that are like just these cliff, like these roads on the side of a mountain. 225 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,720 Like, like I've seen a lot of them on Facebook reels or YouTube reels or whatever where 226 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,120 they show deliveries being made. And like we've been on a lot of those roads. 227 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,680 And you know, a truck comes flying around the quarter and almost like runs us off the road. 228 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:43,840 That happened like all the time. We were on a mud slide once and we just had to drive as fast as we 229 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,400 could and four wheel drive just to keep up from the mud sliding down at the river below. 230 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,440 And it was like this raging storm. And the Lord's hand was just always, 231 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,080 you know, always there, always one step ahead of things. You know, we dealt with different 232 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,000 illnesses and different things like that. And the Lord was always faithful to bring healing. 233 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:11,120 The arrest thing that we've been detained, I think about six times in the nation that uses 234 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:23,600 chopsticks. And that was man, just not really, huh, I really felt like my life was threatened there, 235 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,840 but the threat was being kicked out of the country and then banned from coming back yet. 236 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:35,360 And that was really a horrifying thought for foreigners. They really didn't do anything 237 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:40,240 other than kick us out or, you know, or detain us or warn us and those types of things. 238 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:47,440 And that's what happened to us. Now, what I've come to realize since that time is that when 239 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:54,240 the local government are the ones that get to you first, they kind of want to put out the fire 240 00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:00,960 before the higher ups come in from like, say the provincial level or the, or God forbid, the 241 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:08,240 national level. Because when the, when the national level security, public security department comes 242 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:14,400 in, and it's kind of like the FBI or the CIA or whatever, they actually have jurisdiction over 243 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,320 the ones under them that are, they're not just like separate enemies. Like we think of them as 244 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,120 separate enemies here, share of departments as the local police, then there's the state police, 245 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:28,560 and then blah, blah, blah. But there's a hierarchy there. If they come in, it just, it totally shames 246 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:34,480 them. So we've been blessed that the local and provincial government has not been willing to, 247 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:41,600 you know, like let that information out of the bag of the national government because that's 248 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:47,680 where it gets really, really bad. And we've seen tons of friends that have been kicked out of the 249 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:55,040 country and, and I mean, my one friend was 75 years old. He was teaching about 50 pastors, 250 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,560 and they literally blew the doors down. Wow. It's like some sort of movie scene. 251 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,880 They blew the door and came in a little overkill. Wow. 252 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:11,520 Dory squad guys to arrest some old man teaching the Bible and about 50, you know, 253 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,800 local pastors learning from that old man's wisdom. I feel like that's not what they were afraid of. 254 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:22,240 I think they, they know Jesus. That's what they were afraid of. And that is an incredible point 255 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:28,400 because they know that they are afraid of what they've seen happen already in that nation. 256 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:34,400 They're afraid that if the people united, then they have a big, a big problem. 257 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,880 Hmm. And uh, where they're wrong is that like an underground house church. 258 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,080 We're not trying to like overthrow the government. 259 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:48,640 Right. Like there's no revolutionary kind of like tones in it. The revolution is embedded 260 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,640 in Jesus and his kingdom itself. For personal freedom. 261 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:57,440 It reminds me of when Jesus came, like the higher ups thought he was going to overthrow them. 262 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,640 And he's like, no, that's not what I'm here to do. 263 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,680 Right. Right. Not yet. 264 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,640 Right. Right. But I mean, when that one comes, it's going to be everybody all at once. 265 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,720 And that'll be a wonderful time to watch certain people panic while other people praise. 266 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:17,920 Amen. 267 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,080 Yeah. 268 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:20,960 Be cool, Jay. 269 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,720 Yeah, that's amazing. 270 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:28,720 I never even gave it a thought that the people scamming people are being forced to do so. 271 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,120 Like I never crossed my mind. 272 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,720 Yeah. Yeah. So on this, uh, on this last trip, Michelle and I, we sat down with 273 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,560 eight brothers from Ethiopia and some of them Christians, I believe of like, you know, 274 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,520 maybe like the Coptic line or, you know, Orthodox kind of like line. 275 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:54,320 And so they were told there's a job for them in Bangkok. They went there in Bangkok. They said, 276 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,480 uh, well, our office is filled here. We need to take you to Northern Thailand. 277 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:05,040 And, you know, right on the border of Myanmar and, and there's work up there. 278 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,040 They get them up there. And then they, at that point, they kidnapped them. They took them in. 279 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,520 And these guys, every one of them testified to very similar stories. 280 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:20,400 And in the scam center, if they do not produce, and they produce by basically just gaining trust. 281 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,560 And then the biggest scam is, is the cryptocurrency. 282 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,960 And they gain trust if they're continually relating to people and gaining trust and, 283 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:36,880 and making progress with like getting, receiving texts and emails back with, then they'll be fed. 284 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,920 If they don't produce, if they don't produce any of those results, they don't feed them. 285 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,200 They beat them. They make them stand in a corner for 24 hours. 286 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,040 I mean, my wife and I were just in shock and in tears, hearing what these, what these young men went through. 287 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,320 And these guys are, they're just beautiful, beautiful young men. 288 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:00,480 You know, one of them had a dream that this woman was going to come to them and rescue them. 289 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,320 It was the, our partner. He had dreamed of it before it happened. 290 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:11,280 And they, in the one place that the Lord sent like a panic over the Chinese mafia. 291 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,240 And they just let everybody go and they just, they just shut down the scam center. 292 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,280 Wow. 293 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,800 I was just thinking, how, how do you free these people? 294 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,040 And then there's some, there's some escapes. There's some escapes that happen. 295 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:30,720 So they basically just, they track their moves when they're transporting people 296 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,000 because they have to act like it's all normal. So when they're transporting people, there's, 297 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,720 they're not like, they don't have the AKs out or 298 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,880 they just, they're just transporting them in cars. Sometimes they put them in taxis and regular hotels. 299 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,520 Over the night. So it's, it's in the transportation where they can grab some people. 300 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,880 And sometimes if a family member makes a big enough stir, if they can figure out kind of like, 301 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,600 at least in the general area of where they are, they can cause some panic and they might, 302 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,760 they might release someone. I don't think that they're trying to kill a lot of people, 303 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,920 but I don't think they have a real big regard for life anyhow. It's just they don't, 304 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,000 they don't want to get caught. And so, yeah. So these guys, 305 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,960 now they're kind of in a situation where Myanmar will look at them, the government of Myanmar will 306 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:28,560 look at them as illegal citizens, illegal aliens, if you will, in that country who are working illegally 307 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:36,160 and they first investigate them long before they recognize their, you know, kind of like what they 308 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:44,000 were victims of. So they're just stuck. And so that's what our ministry does is keeps them in a safe 309 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:51,120 house and keeps them, you know, keeps them fed, gives them a job. They do work with different 310 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,280 others, jewelry making that, that the trafficked women do. And then the men help with some of that 311 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:03,920 stuff with sales and whatnot. They do microgreens and different gardening stuff. 312 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,760 Yeah, so they have something to do. But the cool thing is, is that they've all, all eight of those 313 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:16,800 guys met the Lord as in a way that they never did before. And they're kind of traditional 314 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,760 churches that they might have experienced in Ethiopia. That's just one country that they 315 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:27,520 take advantage of it. There's people from all over the world, more scam centers. And the one thing 316 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:34,960 that was crazy to me was that there was like, there's a 14 year old kid who had been taken advantage 317 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:42,720 of and he was from China. These are Chinese people that are run this thing. It's like they're, 318 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:49,920 they're like, you know, they're even praying on their own people. Just evil, you know. 319 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,280 So. 320 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:58,320 Well, another question for you. You mentioned working with lepers. 321 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,360 How close of proximity were you to these people that has a stigma going all the way back to the 322 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:13,760 Bible and beyond? The name of the disease that they have is called Hansen's disease. It seems to be 323 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:21,920 very similar to what was in biblical times, but leprosy could have meant, you know, like not to 324 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,960 hype things up to just kind of be very conservative without we look at it. Leprosy could have been 325 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:35,760 referencing any skin condition back in biblical times. So, you know, like for bad cases to 326 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:41,200 surrises all the way to, but you would think they might be able to discern between, you know, rashes 327 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,680 and eczema and whatnot versus. Or, you know, any impurity on the skin might have been enough. 328 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,640 Yeah. Yeah, it might have been enough to need like the ceremonial cleansing or whatnot. 329 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,920 But there certainly were lepers in biblical times because they've traced this disease. 330 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,960 It's been a disease that's very difficult to eradicate. It's a disease that's easy to treat 331 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,480 now. You know, like a course of like six weeks worth of antibiotics and then a follow-up course. 332 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:14,320 It's a different type of medicine. What the disease does is it kills the nerves. 333 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:24,960 And when they get a cut, they don't realize it's infected. It just begins to ulcerate the skin 334 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:31,280 and not heal. And then eventually the fingers go and the hands go and the same thing with the feet 335 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,840 and the lower legs. It just like the whole skin just kind of like becomes like hamburger. 336 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,760 It's very, very uncomfortable to like look at and whatnot. But, uh, 337 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,960 And they're in no pain. 338 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:50,960 So they aren't in any pain. As far as I understand, it's just that it gets infected and 339 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,440 ulcerated and it just begins to rot from there. So like if they're up too close against the fire, 340 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:03,440 they don't realize that they got murdered. And that particular disease was around 341 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,640 around in biblical times. So there certainly would have been some people with Hansen's disease 342 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:18,720 that were in the category of lepers. Now, if you wait too long to get treated for this Hansen's disease, 343 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:25,280 are there permanent side effects? Like do you always have permanent nervous system damage? 344 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,880 Or would you begin to feel again? Yeah, though, that's exactly, no, no, no, it's done if you don't 345 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:38,400 treat it. Your nerves are done with, and that's what the problem was. Like so these leprosy colonies, 346 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,720 they didn't have the medicine or they couldn't afford the medicine. And so they put them on these 347 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:49,280 mountaintop quarantined, you know, villages. And I've been in dozens of them and they're 348 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,480 normally in places that are so remote, so hard to get to. It's like the message is so clear, 349 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,480 like we don't want you around anybody. But how contagious is it? 350 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:05,840 Okay, so it, my understanding is that there's probably only a couple percent, a small percentage of 351 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:12,960 the population that are susceptible to it. You know, most of us are immune systems could kick it. 352 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:20,480 But there is that small percentage and that small percentage is enough to be just a life changer for 353 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:28,960 those that do get it. And there are different treatments as far as like vaccinations or whatnot. 354 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:35,600 But because most lepers have been treated now, or if you do recognize that you have it, 355 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:42,320 get those medicines right away. It's very simple, very simple to take care of. And then like you 356 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:49,280 said, the permanent damage isn't there. And that's the problem is that many people just didn't get the 357 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:58,480 treatment in time and it had done too much damage. And, you know, so just the deformities and the 358 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,280 nerve damage is already done. How you ever witnessed any miracles 359 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:11,200 among the community of the lepers? We have some healings. It wasn't for the leprosy. 360 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:19,360 Okay. Like we haven't seen, you know, like a leper's hand grow back or, you know, those things that 361 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:24,320 we would love to see, of course. There's a restorative type of things. But of course, 362 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,640 the spirit of God has come up, lepers and healed them of different elements and diseases and whatnot. 363 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,960 I love getting your newsletters each month. It's pretty cool. I don't know why I keep remembering 364 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:45,680 the pack of cigarettes with that guy. It's coming to my mind, but I don't remember the details. 365 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:53,280 Is it worthy of telling on the podcast? Forget. I apologize. Well, yeah, it's pretty... 366 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:59,920 It was worthy of putting it in the newsletter. So, yeah. So we thought it was kind of a cool story 367 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:06,640 because we were doing the recording, the voiceover for the Jesus film in a tribal language. And the 368 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:12,320 team there in the nation, you know, they had to do it in secret. And so they had to get locked into 369 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,280 a hotel room floor. You know, it was all set up with the recording equipment. That's simple stuff. 370 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,320 Nothing super complicated. So they had to be locked into that place. I think it was three, 371 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,360 maybe four days, you know, for the recording. And so the one guy that was one of those voiceover 372 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,240 actors, he stuffed his pockets full, I think two or three packs of cigarettes. 373 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:38,240 And he went in and started recording and he realized he didn't smoke any of the cigarettes in order 374 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:46,560 to have the desire to. And he just stopped smoking right into the recording of the Jesus 375 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,360 film. And every time I'm back in touch with those people, I was just back in that nation 376 00:36:52,880 --> 00:37:00,400 about three weeks ago. And that guy's doing good and not smoking. I love it. This is what 377 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:06,160 they're scared of. The power. They're scared of this power that they know is with this name of Jesus. 378 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,360 And that's why I think so many people are receptive to it over there is because they don't, 379 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,840 like the government doesn't want people to have that hope. And they're receptive to that hope 380 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:23,680 because they are, it's hard to come by over there, it sounds like. Yeah. Yeah, they just, they know, 381 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:31,440 and there's, you know, there's all these demonic powers behind all sorts of stuff that happens 382 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:38,400 and the government and all that. So. Yeah, we're intimately familiar with it, 383 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,880 considering that's, you know, where the enemy would take root in everybody's government. 384 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,400 It's easiest way to manipulate people away from wholesome values and towards a different agenda. 385 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,560 Yeah. Right. Right. I can see that in our country for sure. 386 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:07,600 Yep. Maybe Jesus. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for sharing that with us. And can you 387 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,280 share with people how they can give if they want to help with the cause? Oh, yeah, sure. Great. 388 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:23,360 Thank you for that opportunity. So you could check out our website at hisfeet.com. So h-i-s-f-e-e-t.com. 389 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,160 And you could see, you know, that there are different ministries and different opportunities. 390 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:35,440 We do post what's called urgent needs. And these are the things that we're pushing to get funded ASAP. 391 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,680 And there's different things like rescues and kids camp and different things that are all timely. 392 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:49,280 And so you can, yeah, you can check that out at hisfeet.com. And anybody can email me at 393 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:56,080 Todd at hisfeet.com if you wanted to just directly talk to me. And then we'll set up some sort of 394 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:02,560 meeting or phone call or whatnot. And yeah, that'd be great. Awesome. And what are your immediate 395 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:09,680 needs? What are you working on now? So right now, we're, it's kind of twofold. We're really beginning 396 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:15,680 to push the need because we're just in Myanmar. And there's so much need there for the rescues of 397 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:22,640 both sexually trafficked and the scam center guys. Because the more exposure these scam centers get, 398 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,240 there's more people that get stuck in limbo from there. And actually, the Chinese government actually 399 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:33,440 does not want these scam centers in existence because they, it really makes China look bad. 400 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,760 Nobody wants them in existence. 401 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:42,640 Nobody wants them in existence. Yeah. Except the people making money. 402 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:51,760 Yeah. And I'd love you select thugs anyhow. And then it's camp season again. And so we send some 403 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:58,000 of the most marginalized kids in the world to summer camp, whether they have a great opportunity to 404 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,440 hear about Jesus and these restricted nations. Yeah, governments think that it's for English camp 405 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:10,320 or it's for just a regular summer camp. But they're all infused with every staff member being a Christian 406 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:16,480 and every program having a biblical meaning. And they always have some sort of finale where they just, 407 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:25,280 hit them with the gospel. And that's leprosy descendants of leprosy victims. Those kids live 408 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,880 with a ton of stigma even though they don't have a disease themselves. Just they're just told us 409 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,440 be stayed away from society because it's just a stigma that does more damage than even the 410 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,720 nerve damage. Wow. You know, when it comes to leprosy. So we send the leprosy kids to camp, 411 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:46,640 we're sending, and the Philippines were sending Bajal children to camp or the Bajal people are 412 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,840 the most marginalized people group in Southeast Asian and the Philippines even admitted by the 413 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:58,960 Philippine government. And we're sending Bajal kids to camp and just to give them an opportunity 414 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,600 to meet Jesus. They're mainly from like a Muslim background and work there. Just 415 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,640 seeing some real breakthrough. And so we got camp seasons right here right now. 416 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,160 And we still have some deficit there where we're going to get some kids sent to camp. It's normally 417 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,200 40 to $50 to send the kid to camp, you know, for three to four days. And it's just a great life 418 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,160 changing experience for them. And then every one of our programs has a follow up thing where 419 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:30,720 they're just working with these kids all year round and get them incorporated into just the life of 420 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:40,000 Christ. Sounds like you're very busy. To say the least. I never know where to expect you if you're 421 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,320 going to be in the States or if you're going to be in another country. I don't know. I feel like we 422 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:51,760 try to connect for like, was it like half a year? Yeah, months. Get on this. Yeah, I'm like, it'll 423 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:58,800 happen when it's about to. Yeah, this will. Perfect timing. Yeah. And this will air in like a month. 424 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:06,720 So yeah, it'll be good. That's great. So I will put a link to your website in the show description. 425 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:13,200 And that that'll make it easy for people to give and connect with you. And I appreciate you coming 426 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:18,240 on and sharing about that because it reminded me of the one episode we had with Wendy Lawson. She 427 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:24,880 was in a time magazine when the smugglers were working for Jesus and she would Jesus bomb 428 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:32,160 little towns with the little tracks each night. They spread Jesus that way back in the day. So 429 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,720 it just, you know, reminds me it can be dangerous work when we know we're there and not getting caught. 430 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:43,840 And so we appreciate the work that you do to spread the word and all that hope and encouragement 431 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,640 that you give to these people. It's just really cool to hear about. And I knew that the cigarette 432 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:55,040 story was cool and I just forgot about it, but the Holy Spirit kept saying, hey, cigarette story. 433 00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,360 So I'm glad you shared that. Yeah, I'm glad you got that one. Awesome. Well, 434 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:07,760 listener, I hope you enjoyed this episode and we pray that you share it with a friend. And if you'd 435 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:13,360 like to give to the cause for the God's goodness podcast and the audio editing, there's a link 436 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:19,280 in the about section and you can give there. And with that, we'll talk to you next time.