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Welcome to the God's goodness podcast where our mission is to encourage and highlight God's

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goodness and modern day miracles. We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hinkins. Today we have

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with us a special guest. We have Terry Black with us. We know where from church and the Holy

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Spirit said ask her. And so I did what he said to do because I don't know if you're like me,

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but if the Holy Spirit tells me to do something, he's like a little kid and he just keeps

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suggesting it and suggesting it and suggesting it until I do it. So I invited Terry to be on with us

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and today she's going to share some things the Holy Spirit had her letter to share and we'll have

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her open us with an opening prayer. Well, good morning or hello everybody. I'm excited to be a

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part of this and I want to thank you, Shelley and Josh for inviting me on and you're right about the

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Holy Spirit. It is like he is like a little child that when he tells you to do something, if you don't

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obey, it just sort of nudges on you and it just sort of gets on you. So thank you for obeying his

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leading and I'm excited about sharing with you as well. But let's begin by praying together and

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committing this time with the Lord. Heavenly Father, we just come before you and I thank you for this

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opportunity that we can share your goodness. Thank you Father for your goodness and thank you Father

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for Josh and Shelley and their commitment to share your goodness with those around us. And so Father,

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we just dedicate this time to you. Holy Spirit, we thank you for your presence. We thank you that

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you will be with our words, Father God, and we just commit this time to you for your glory and

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honor. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Thank you. Oh, so where would you like to start? Well, let's start

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with, first I was born in Butler County and I just wanted to share a little bit that I was raised

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in a Christian home but when I was 14, I made a dedication to accept Jesus in my heart, a real

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dedication in my life. And then fast forward, I was baptized at one of those Jesus festivals.

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And so I had my upbringing in Pennsylvania and I really wanted to make a dedication to my life,

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to Jesus in my life. And one of the things I found though, as a young child, as a young adult,

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was that I would ask God, what in the world God do you want me to be in my, you know, how can I

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serve you? And I never really got a light bulb moment, you know. I never got like, you're going

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to be a missionary or you're going to be a teacher or you're going to start a podcast.

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That's right. However, what God gave me was a Bible verse. And I was, when I first got the Bible

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verse, I was like, it doesn't make sense to me, Lord. But I felt like you had the Holy Spirit

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nudge you like to tell you to do something. And I felt the Holy Spirit say, this is your Bible

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verse. And this is how your life is going to revolve throughout your years. And I have to say,

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I'm not a young child, as you can tell, or a young adult. As a matter of fact, today,

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I celebrate my day of being on Medicare. That tells you how old I am. And so through all that time,

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I've been able to see ups and downs in my Christian law. But through it all, I had this Bible

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verse. So I'd like to share it if I could. Please, please. Okay. It's found in the book of Deuteronomy

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chapter 4 verse 10. And it says, especially the day you stood before the Lord your God at Orap,

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when the Lord said to me, assemble the people to me, and I will let them hear my words so that

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they may learn to fear me all the days they live in the land and that they may teach their children's

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children. Now, you might be going, what in the world does that verse mean to me? Well, the key word

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is assemble. Okay. And if you think about it, to assemble means to put together. It says to bring

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together. And you know, I thought, wow, God, that's my light bulb. That is the gift and talent that

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he gave me was to bring people together, to assemble people together for different events,

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for different projects. And so as I reflect on my life in college, I went to Penn State. But one

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of my jobs was I had to pull together a big event at Penn State with different volunteer

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organizations, you know, and I thought, well, okay, God, there we go. I'm getting to see maybe that's

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how I'm going to be, not a certain occupation, but a certain type of gifting, you know. And then

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fast forward, I didn't do it for a while. You know, I put it on the back burner, but in the world

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and the type of life that I did, like we went lived in Tennessee for a while in Franklin, Tennessee.

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And like you, the Holy Spirit nudged me and said to me, I wasn't sure what I was going to do. My

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kids were in school and and I was at a period of life where I wasn't sure what I wanted to do.

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You know, most of us have been there. Thank you. And I was like, God, what are you wanting me to

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do? And he brought that verse back to me. And he's like, I want you to start a nonprofit. And I was

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like, I have no idea how to do this guy. But then he brought that verse and he said, trust me, and I

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will show you how to pull it all together. So I started this organization called Love the Dress,

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a prom dress swap and shop. And the idea was, is that if you donated a prom dress, because guess

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what girls just wear dresses one time, typically true story. And so thank you. Yeah. And so girls

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just wear their dresses one time and they want to get a new one. So my idea was, well, you donate

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a dress and you get one in exchange. Or if you don't have one, you can buy one for $25 because

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at dress shops, they have excess inventory, you know, they have to get new dresses every year.

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So and to use the different schools, well, lo and behold, I was like, God, I don't know how to do

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this. But you know, I trusted him and I obeyed him. And every step he really guided me. And the first

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year we'd started it, we had 70 girls and 200 dresses. Okay. And we had an Arter Church. This

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second year, we moved to a community college and we had over 200 girls and 500 dresses. And you know

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what? It's been 15 years, we no longer live in Tennessee, but the event is still going on. And

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it just shows how God has taken this verse that I've given as a young child and through the different

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times in my life that he has been able to show me how it all comes together. Another time,

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my husband worked for in touch ministries. It was Dr. Stanley's and he turned 70 years old.

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And we wanted to do a gala. And so again, the Lord was like, okay, Terry, I was on a team with another

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gal and we put a gala together for Dr. Stanley to honor him, bringing guests in from all around

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the country. And so again, he was faithful. He reminded me, assemble Terry, assemble the people

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because it takes a plan. It takes some strategy to pull people together. It just doesn't have

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hazard. And so it might not be, I wanted to encourage people that you may not have the gift

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of teaching or administration, but God gives us all gifts to fit into the body of Christ. And for

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me, he gave me that gift of assembling and pulling things together. It's honestly, it's hard for me

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to go to an event even today and sit there and go, well, what can I do to help play in this event or

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to make it more effective or how to provide it? It's just my nature that God has given. And

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I think that God gives us all those gifts. He gives you a gift, Shelley, and he gives you a gift,

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you know, Josh, and it's just trying to find what it is. And then in doing that, you see his goodness,

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you know, I know that when I do these events, I feel good. I know that I'm walking in what he's

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planned for me to do. I started a bus tour company. It's a Christian bus tour company called Real Life

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Adventure Tours. And nothing gives me more satisfaction to know that when I plan the event,

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from the beginning to the end of the bus trip, and I see people inspired and encouraged and

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knowing that they had a good time, because sidebar, I think Christians need to have fun, you know,

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and we need to enjoy each other and just enjoy all that God has blessed us with, that I know that

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I am walking in his goodness, you know, I'm walking in his plan for me. And so that's how I see my life

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first. And I would want to encourage anyone that you know what God does for me, he does for you as

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well, you know, it might not be where you get a light bulb moment, but I know if you ask him and

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you seek him, he will give you a verse and he will give you a plan about what you are to do and how

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you fit together in his body of Christ. So how frustrating was it, instead of him just being

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directly like you know other people have had, you know, I feel the same way sometimes, where God

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directs people, this is what I want you to do. This way what you do. And when you ask him, he says,

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I want you to read this. And that's it, I want you to hold on to that. And I want to be honest,

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when you read it, I had no idea how to apply that either. What does it mean? Yeah, like how do I use

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that in context? That's right. That's my life. What does that mean? That's right. And so how

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frustrating was it to get a message you didn't quite understand instead of the most direct,

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this is what I want you to do. Oh, it is frustrating. And it's not even like one time, it's ongoing,

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because, you know, in different seasons in your life, you want to know what God wants you to do,

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you know, you have these moments like, I mean, when my kids went to school, I was like, God,

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what is it what you want me to do? I mean, I'm a stay at home mom. Where's my fulfillment in that?

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How does that fit in with with this, you know, so for me, I was involved in mops, or we homeschooled

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somewhat. So I got involved in that. So those little moments, the assembling or putting things

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together, but it didn't go without frustration. It just, you know, and like, as my kids got older,

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and then they were gone, it was like, okay, Lord, I would love to have a moment where you do a light

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bulb, you know, and there were times in which one time in particular, I felt God told me to do

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something, you know, how I just really felt the Holy Spirit. And I was like, okay, God, I am going

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all out. I really feel that this is something that you want me to do. And so I went, I went to another

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state, and I went and I worked in this particular position, and it didn't work out. I thought I

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failed, you know, I thought, God, I thought I heard from you. I thought, Lord, you wanted me to do

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this and it didn't work out. And the Lord reminded me that I was looking at things too narrow-minded,

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you know, I was just looking at the circumstance, I was looking at it from the perspective of,

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yeah, it didn't work out, but my purpose is bigger than that, you know, and I don't always see the

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bigger purpose, but then that's where I have to trust it. He loves me, and then he's a good God,

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and that he can deal with my frustration, you know, I mean, I can just say this, I blew it,

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I think, and he's, and he was like, you didn't blow it, it all is going to come together,

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but you're just focusing on the failure, but not on me, you know, not on trusting that somehow it

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didn't turn out the way you wanted. But I know what is best for you, and you have to trust me in

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me in figuring this out, you know, so that was the time of real frustration and thinking,

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I, and I come back and I'm like, okay, God, I'm not sure I never, for me, when people said they

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had a specific door, I never had one door, I had many doors, and I just would say, okay, Lord,

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I'm going to go through this door and trust you that if it's not the right door, that you're going

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to shut it for me, you know, and so that's sort of how my life went, I never went one way, and the

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time I did go one way, it didn't work out the way I thought it would, but God had better plans than

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that, but I hope I answered your question. Absolutely. Okay. And I think it's neat to

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piece it together and try to discern what God's thought process was, right, so it seems to me,

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like, some people don't get the divine purpose light bulb moment, like, oh, yeah, this is clearly

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what I need to do, like they're looking at the thing in their hand, they look over there, and they

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just put it together, right? I think the reason why some of us don't have that is because God trusts

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us to keep faith when we don't have all the answers, right, and it shows as a testimony to other people

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that this person has faith without anything to hold on to, right? And I think that gives some

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people hope, and I'm hoping it reaches somebody today that sometimes God is working through you,

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and it's a struggle, like you are on the struggle bus, and it doesn't seem like you have an answer,

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it doesn't seem like you have a purpose, it doesn't seem like you have a direction,

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but you do, and God has already seen to it, long before He created you, He's seen to it, and

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you trust that you're going to have faith in Him and walk the path without knowing.

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Right, absolutely. Without, the only thing you know is that He loves you, and then He's been

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faithful, you know, and so I rely on the past of His faithfulness to keep me

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faith-filled for today. Does that make sense? And I think that's why you don't get the light bulbs.

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Probably so. Because He knows you're going to do it anyway. Well, I, you know...

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It doesn't need to do that. We've been in ministry for 30 some years, and so we've had many opportunities,

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and we've seen different good things and not so good things in ministry, and above all,

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I really feel one of the things Dr. Stanley, his one of his sayings, he would say, is,

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obey God and leave all the consequences to Him, and that really resonates, you know, because as

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going back to what you shared at the very beginning, you know, that the Holy Spirit nudges you, so you

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have to obey Him, and then you just got to trust that you obeyed, and then God's got to,

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God has to follow through in the consequences, and it's, you may not like the consequences,

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you may not want, know what they are, but you know that there are, there's good consequences,

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because He loves us, you know, and that sometimes I think, especially as you're getting older in

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life, I'm older than y'all, right, and there's probably... I don't know, I might be the healers

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with this table. No, no, no, I told you I start Medicare today, and I just think sometimes when

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we get to retirement age, or when you get older, you wonder about your purpose in life, you wonder,

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God, you know, where is your goodness, where is, what is going on for me, and we forget that God

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is no respecter of age, no respecter of person, and so what He shares when you're a young girl

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still applies to when I'm an older girl, or old woman, and I think that we need to remember that

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He loves us, His plan is always for us, for our good, you know, even when we're 80, I mean,

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heavens, Moses started His big plan of Exodus when He was 80, you know, and so God is, He is working

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through our different seasons of life, definitely, you know, so that is something that encourages me,

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and I hope that encourages anybody out there who's wondering, God has a plan, God has a purpose,

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He does, and it might not be like a lightbulb moment, but you can trust in the open door,

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and as you walk through an open door, He will either open, keep opening it, or He'll shut it,

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and then you'll go to a different door, or maybe there'll be a window that you'll go through,

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but He is always faithful to take a step-by-step moment with you, definitely step-by-step, so

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that's what's exciting for me. And you mentioned Moses, I'm going to bring you up too,

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eight years old, he's full-on Exodus at this point, he has had a lightbulb moment with God,

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but he's had it beyond the lightbulb, but he was the lightbulb, his face was shining bright from

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just the glory of God, right, and he's still messed up. Yes, you're right. And so you don't

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rely on God directly saying something to you, and your life is turned around, that's not how He

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operates, right, He still gives us that free will, He still lets us be who He created us to be,

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but we still have every opportunity to tell Him, no, what I'm going to do it my way,

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I urge you not to, I urge you to do it His way, He really has a good plan for us,

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plans for us to prosper and not to destroy us, right, He is good, but if you have not had that

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lightbulb moment, it's okay, and if you are struggling through your purpose, that's okay too,

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you can't mess it up. You can mess up, and God won't let you mess up His purpose for you, He will

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not let you deviate from His path, because He already knows it, when He laid it out. Well,

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if you're committed to serving Him, He's got your back, even if we do mess up, like, I've done,

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He is always very faithful to love me back, and He heals, and He's faithful, I mean, I've seen this

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faithfulness in healings, and I've seen this faithfulness in providing for us financially,

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and just in miracles of restoration and reconciliation, I've seen that, and it just

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requires us to be obedient, and that's hard to do, and we mess up. Man, His love is never ending,

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and never feeling, isn't it? It really is, it's just, He's a great God, and there's no other place

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I'd rather be than here in His presence. And so, do you still work with the church? I know that you

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guys are very close to South Hills Assembly. Oh, well. Do you still do things with assembling and

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helping people in South Hills Assembly? Is that what you're even at in the South Hills Church?

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Well, I still have my bus tour company. We just go on bus trips, Christian bus trips,

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where we plan to inspire and encourage fellow believers to be together and have fun. We are

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having a discipleship program called Finishing Strong, that we want to disciple people. It's one

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thing to have salvation experienced, to accept Jesus as your Savior. But then there's the next step,

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is understanding and growing in your salvation, and that is something that we're also have been

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involved in. I mean, the Lord's been gracious. I met Dawn. We both were students at Regent University,

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and we both worked at CBN for a number of years, and then he worked at INSP, Inspiration Network,

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for that. And then we moved to Intouch Ministries, and we've had different opportunities to work with

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a lot of great ministries. And Cornerstone Television, we worked there for a number of years. And so,

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now the Lord has provided an opportunity for us to work together and work on our own ministries

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together. So, we're grateful for that too. That's neat. I'm glad that you're grateful. Yes, very

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grateful. That's neat. I love hearing that you're still serving the purpose. You're still serving

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the Bible verse that he is giving you. Yes, I think, yeah, maybe that should go on my tombstone.

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What do you think? It's just an odd one. Nobody ever gets it, except unless you understand that,

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wait, assemble. I was like, wait a minute, that takes some time and effort. People might usually

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think, oh, are you a teacher? And I'm like, well... I'm an assembler. Yeah, I'm an assembler. That is

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a weird thing. But see, God uses all kinds of things. He uses all kinds of signs. And he used

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you because he knew you'd get it. If he'd have given me that word, I'd have said, I know.

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Well, you got another one? Yeah, I know. Isn't that true? I mean, it's really... It's just how

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God knows each of us so individually and how he can uniquely use our gifts and talents that nobody

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else... It's like, you can't do what I can do and vice versa, right? Oh yeah, not even close.

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I'm not an assembler. Not even close. But you're great as a podcast host. Both of you are. Thank you.

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I'm more of a show monkey. That's really what it is. I just bang the symbols together and

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serve my wife and the Lord. Oh, I don't know about that. Well, so, you know, I used to joke with her

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about how I hate doing this. Right. It was God told her to do it. I'm just here because she's

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my wife. And she's like, no, I don't like you to do that. I said, all right, so I stopped. I

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just internalized it. But I just told myself, one day I had a revelation. I was going to the

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kitchen and God's like, you realize that when you're married, two people are one, right? I was like,

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so as soon as I acknowledged that thought, then it occurred to me that he asked her, but he asked

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us both. Right. That's right. That's right. He just talked to the one that was going to listen

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about it and get it done. That's a good point. That's a good point. That's how it was with

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Cornerstone. And that really changed my heart around on it. That's great. I am. This is what

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God called me to do. I'm just, you just couldn't ask me directly because I'm an idiot, but he knows

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that she would listen. See, I'm like, this is a great idea. That's what we're going to do.

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I know that's similar when Don was on TV, he would say, you need to come on. And I would be like,

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oh no, I can't do what I never did it. And like you, you know, you fight, but then I did end up

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saying, okay, I'll do it. And I enjoyed it. It was really a lot of fun. So it is, I like the,

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how you mentioned that to become one and we work together on that. Definitely.

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Yeah. It was a revelation I discovered a long time ago after I did a 40 day fast.

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Okay. And then she got prompted after I did it to do a fast. She said, will you fast with me?

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And I'm like, I don't know. You wouldn't fast with me. And, and so I said, yes. And I said,

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how long? And she said, I don't know. And so the next morning I asked her, have you ever thought

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about it yet? She said four days. And I was like, four, that's nothing. I did 40. What's four? And

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then I walked in the kitchen. The kitchen is literally where God gives me most of his messages.

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Okay. In the kitchen. And that's when he told me the first time that two flesh becomes one.

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And it's, you know, but it's one person. But because of it, a marriage is exponentially more

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powerful than being single. Okay. Yeah. Because you are, you know, a certain group of people.

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And so that's why the enemy wants to separate it so bad. And that's why it was four days to show me

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that four times 10, you know, exponentially, literally exponentially more powerful when you

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are together. So it's like a 40 man element with us to like, like military, but if the enemy can

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break as a part, he's only got an after one injured person. And it's a lot easier for him to tear

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down a single person. That's why he hates marriages because we're way more powerful together than we

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are apart. That's great. That's great. A team effort. We need to make sure we keep that. The

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hate married people, you are a platoon size element to the enemy. Just you two. That's great. Yes.

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That's why Job's wife couldn't be touched because they were one. Oh, if you think that that way,

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you're like, Oh, right. You can do whatever you want. You can't hurt Job. Well, his wife wasn't

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harmed. No, she wasn't. That's true. That's very insightful. I think that is yes. It does.

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Isn't it? Need help? God uses marriages, how he uses you individually for his goodness,

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you know, and for his plan and all comes together. And I don't want to make sure I mention how we

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don't just buy small beginnings either. You know, like, I wanted to mention to that, it might just

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for folks that are listening, you might be gone. I'm not sure, you know, I'm just starting out

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whatever in married couple or as an individual listening to God and trying to obey him. It might

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just be making a phone call to somebody like God told you to do this or going up to somebody. I mean,

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because I realized that, you know, when God tells you to do something good and you wonder if it's

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really God, well, you got to trust that it's God because Satan really wouldn't want you to bless

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somebody, you know. And so I think that you'll want to make sure that you just encourage if someone,

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if God gives you that Holy Spirit tells you to do something, please do it, you know. And I think

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as you start continuing listening to those little steps, what he's faithful, he rewards those with

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small and then you get more and more responsibilities and he continues, it's like training a baby,

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you know, as they grow and they grow, they get more independence or they get more understanding

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and knowledge and wisdom of what God has called you to do as a married couple, as, as an individual

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person, you know, we start and then we continue to grow and grow as we learn to listen to the

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Holy Spirit and guide by what he tells you to do because he has something, he always has

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something good in store for us every day. Absolutely. But usually revelation only comes

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after you take one step at a time and then he'll give you a little bit more. It's like experience,

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you get it right after you really needed it. That's good. That's good. So I guess it's all

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has to do with we have to take the first step, you know, and that's just that's sometimes scary,

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you know, and it might be the time you don't know what you're doing, right? Absolutely. And

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it happened to me. I didn't know what I was doing, but I knew that God had told me to do something.

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And so I just had to trust I had to obey and blown the hold, he would open the doors and

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from either doing love the dress or when I worked at CBN, we've worked, there was a conference

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department and I was responsible for pulling together conferences from pulling together

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speakers and doing all that kind of elements, you know, he was always faithful, even when you

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don't feel like you are adequate, he provides the way and he provides the connections. It might

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sound so basic, but it really is true that if you take that step of obedience, he always meets you,

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he's faithful in it. So good. And things will just fall into line and into place and they'll

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come easy because if you have to work at it, like one thing I had to learn with this podcast was if

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I thought I was going to invite somebody and they were going to be on, I learned not to work so hard

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to schedule somebody. If it was meant to be, they'll reply to me and they'll schedule when it was

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meant to be scheduled. And it was just releasing that, you know, just sometimes you got to let it go

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and whatever happens happens and then you're like, oh, that's why it happened that way.

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Like with our one guest, Ian Reath, he has an episode, Choose Whom You Will Serve and I thought

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he was going to be our first guest because it was a conversation with him that led me to this idea

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the next day of why don't you know the podcast. And God was like, nope, he's going to be, you know,

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later on in the podcast. And when his episode released, it was in December and it was so neat

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because we had recorded another episode and these two episodes were talking about heaven.

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had two episodes dealing with heaven. And so it just I was like, that's why Ian wasn't the first

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guest. Right. So it's all for a reason. That's right. And it's, but it requires a step. Yeah,

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just let go and let go. Yes. And we say that a lot, but it's really true guys. I think following

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God is a lot like being a fat guy in a gym. Really? Well, let me get to the point. And so

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do tell both of them come from a place where you need to make a change, right? You need a lifestyle

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change. One of it. You're not living healthy. If you don't have God, you're not living healthy.

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If you're, if you're overly overweight, you're not living healthy. And so you didn't get fat over

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night. It took a culmination years. You didn't learn to be a disobedient rebel against God

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overnight either. Yeah, it took years to develop who you are in the society. And so it's not going

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to be fixed overnight. So just like the gym, you got to start slow. Yes. Just like your relationship

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with God, you got to start slow. You got to start speaking to me. You have to start making an effort

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to say that I want to communicate with you and stick to it. 20 years into it, just like you're

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20 years through the gym, you're going to have lots of changes. Yes, you're going to feel good.

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It's going to be a lot harder for you to slip off because of those changes. It's going to be a lot

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harder for you to say, you know what, I think I will have that ice cream or I will have that.

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You know, go on it today. Today is a good day for me to go for a run. I'll feel like, I don't want

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that. Right. Because I know what I want. That's right. And it's the same thing of following Jesus.

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Like, do you want that? Like, I could have that, but it might slow my walk with him a little. Right.

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And that walk is coupled with prayer and like Yal said, fasting and the word and being in

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fellowship with other people and just all of that together where we're focused on serving him.

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You know, that's where we want to be sold out for him and to believe that God, you've got our

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purpose and even if I'm not sure always what it is, I'm just going to believe you to be faithful,

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as always in that too. He'll show us and continue every day. I'll take that step.

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And if you think you're going to mess up God's plans, you're not that powerful.

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He's got it covered. Yes. He's calculated it. That's right. He does. He does have it covered,

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isn't it? Sometimes I wonder who our battle is. I mean, it is. Are we thinking that we're bigger

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than God is, you know, and we're not. You're right, Charlie. We are not bigger than God.

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It's just easier for us to understand who God is when we put him in parameters that we can

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understand and define. And our parameters are going to have weaknesses because we're people.

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Jesus, right? If he sent himself, he would all just be burned with this holiness. He can't even

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be within it. So he sends a human being as God in the flesh so that we had something we could

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actually understand. And so he is, thank God, very gracious to meet us at our level instead of

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demanding that we rise to his level. How much harder do you think that would be? Right, absolutely.

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I mean, I was even thinking, you know, when Jesus rose up from the grave, you know, and the women

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came to the grave, I had this aha moment that Jesus, you know, he didn't need to be present.

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You know, he showed up for Mary, you know. I was like, Jesus is so powerful and so big,

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but he loves us so much that he desired that Mary and those women, they saw Jesus in person,

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they touched him and I thought, Lord, you really love us so much that you know, in the midst of our

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weaknesses, in the midst of our feeble bodies, that we need your presence, we need your touch,

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and you're powerful and you're all knowing and you're all present. But you know, like you were

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saying, Josh, that Jesus came as a man and he came to us and he desires us and he knows our

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humanity and how we are so short of understanding and comprehending of his love, but his love is

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so much greater that he comes to us and we just need to be willing to come to him all the time.

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Oh yeah, I think of Jesus walking the Emmaus road, you know, on the day of his return and

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those knuckleheads walking with him had no clue. That's right. And he was so gracious to them and

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literally just told them who he was from the very beginning till that moment and they still couldn't

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catch on, but they liked him so they invited him in and then they figured it out. Yeah,

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they were like, weren't our hearts warmed with his words? So it's just, you know, when you're in

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his presence, your life has changed, you know, that just happens, you know. So it's a very sort of

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going back from guess what, God still has that plane for you, but his presence is powerful.

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Yes, absolutely. Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I think it's important that like you, not everybody has

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those light bulb moments. Yeah. And sometimes it takes a little discernment and sometimes it takes

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a lot of prayer and just back and forth speaking with God about what it is. But I promise that if

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you keep asking and you keep knocking, he will open the door for you. He does. He will let you

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know. And if you don't get it, like if you didn't get it, he sent another message. Right. That he

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knew that you would get because he knows what you'll get. That's, and he, and we also, not to forget

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that he gives us gifts and talents, you know. So I mean, it's just part of who you are. I mean,

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like my being is like, I like to organize things. So it just makes sense that I like to plan stuff.

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And you all like to speak and you like to plan these, you know, God gives you those talents.

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I like to talk. You like to talk. I mean, so God wouldn't give somebody who did not like to talk

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the gift of being a podcaster, you know. That just doesn't help God works. And so I think along

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with not the light bulb moments, but understanding how God makes us all unique that all fits together.

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I think it's important to have that Bible verse to hold on to that to ground you throughout the

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years too. Right. So if you have that Bible verse that just keeps popping up and popping up here and

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there, that might be your Bible verse. You might want to hold on to that, even though it doesn't

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make any sense to most people. It doesn't. I know. It's not funny. It does make sense. And it's just

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funny how whatever for so many years I come back to it, you know, when I'm wondering, okay, God,

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what is it that you want me to do next? It just, it gives me comfort. So it causes me to look for

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opportunities that I can see God at work. I didn't know you had done all of this stuff. That's amazing.

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Oh, it's been fun. Well, as I said, many years, I'm in the mature area of life now.

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See, I think that in your 40s, you're just getting started because you've learned to not care about

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what people think. You just care a lot less about that. So you have all these experiences under your

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belt and your 40s. And then you're like, oh, anyway, I just think a lot of people accomplish more

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after their 40s. So if you don't have anything going on in your 20s or 30s, you're just getting

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warmed up. That's right. It's just an uphill, right? Yeah. So when you're in your 60s, wait,

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here we go. And the 70s. So I think that the best is yet to come. Right? It doesn't mean God won't

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use you when you're 13 either. No, you're right. So if you're a poor shepherd boy or just a village

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girl and you visit it by angels, it doesn't mean God cannot use you when you're younger.

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That's right. God has, you know, he says before we were in our mother's womb, he planned our days,

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all of our days were written for us. That's in Psalm 139. And so God has our days recorded. He has

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our days planned. And so it's, you know, when you're 13 or nine or 70 years old, there is a plan for

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you. And there is a purpose for each of us, regardless of our age, regardless of the season

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in life that we're in, whether you're from diapers or retirement, whatever way, whatever you go,

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diapers with children and retirement guide. Diapers and both ends. There is. I was going to say that.

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And I thought, Oh, is that proper to say? I don't know. I'm working in a mess. It's proper.

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How do you keep it real here? Good. You know, I understand if that's you and you have a loss

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of dignity, don't be because they're doing the alternative is a lot less dignity. So,

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knowing that I know of whatever judge you. I know, we'll judge you and I know a lot of

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her horrible people, not just Christians, because of what I do. And even they wouldn't judge you.

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Wow. So, we went everywhere on this podcast. We sure did. Yeah, we did. This was fun. Thank you

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for coming on with us. Well, thank you for inviting me and thank you for allowing me to share some of

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my story with you. I really appreciate it and hope that it encourages someone along the way that

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they will know that God has a plan, God has a purpose and He is a good God that always has

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our best in mind for us. And it may not look obvious. No, obviously. It may not be an obvious

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plan, but God has one for you. Yeah, yeah, seeking it out. Do you have anything else you wanted to

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insert? Well, I'm excited that I entering a season about being a grand mom. I want grand

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mom about that. Yeah, I'm an officially Gigi. I've been, that's my name I've been called. So, we have

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a two-year-old grandson and then we have one coming in July. How fun. Another grand baby. So,

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I'm excited about that. And then we have a granddaughter that's nine. So, this is a new face

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for me. So, I'm enjoying it very much now. Good. Very good. I'm so glad I got to know you better.

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Thank you. And I look forward to hanging out with you maybe at the ladies event next week.

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find out and then if you need help, just comment and I'll help you out. I don't know if I should

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say this, but one of the things I was able to start was called the Woman of Valor for Cornerstone

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Television when you were there. And I just was hoping that women that are listening that they

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will, I don't know, my heart is for women and just to know how precious they are in the sight of God

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and that they're to be uplifted and loved and that God thinks that they're special. And I just

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wanted to let them know we had a television program dedicated to special women of valor

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at the time we were there. And we honored women who exemplified the character of Ruth, you know,

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Ruth who demonstrated loyalty and she demonstrated her care and her character and how she cared for

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those around her. And so, I just, I don't know whether I should share that, but I just wanted

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to give an add a boy or add a girl out to a lot of the women out there. Awesome. Thank you. Also,

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can be encouraged. And with that, we'll talk to you next time.