1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,080 Welcome to the God's Gunness podcast where our mission is to encourage and highlight 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,400 God's goodness in modern-day miracles. 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,080 We are your hosts, Josh and Shelly Hankins. 4 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:18,800 Today we have with us a special guest. 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,520 We have Charlie Roso with us today and he is going to share some things that the Holy 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,720 Spirit told him to share and we'll have him open us with an opening prayer. 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,760 Now this guest, let me just start off saying, is actually somebody, another person that 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,600 my husband knows better than I do. 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,560 So we're going to get to know Charlie a little bit better today and so now we'll have you 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,320 open us up with that opening prayer. 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:50,760 Lord God, thank you for today, allowing you to bring Shelley and Josh into my life, but 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,760 more importantly, allowing her to do such great things in what she's doing. 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,560 Remarkable thanks. 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,680 It's amazing to be part of something and truly to be honored to be here today, but more importantly, 15 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,840 Lord, thank you for blessing both of them and allowing them to bless others in their 16 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,160 lives to do what they really do. 17 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:16,600 Lord God, please guide us in the right path with your love and grace. 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,160 Again we do everything in your name. 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,160 Amen. 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,160 Amen. 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,200 So where would you like to start, Charlie? 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,720 First I would like to say thank you both for having me today. 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,120 I truly mean it, that it's an honor. 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,280 When you called me and asked me to come on your show and talk, I was very honored. 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,440 I've taken back. 26 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:41,480 You don't get that every day in my line of work, of course, for others that don't know. 27 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,480 I am the chief of police. 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,520 I'm a local police department near. 29 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,120 And to be part of this, to be able to speak to people about leadership and faith and how 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,920 that applies to me and many others goes way more than just my job. 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,840 It's everyday life. 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,720 You know that people sometimes just look at others and say, I need to follow somebody 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,840 or I need to look at somebody as the leader. 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,720 I think a lot of times they forget that they're a leader. 35 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,000 They're a leader at home as a mother or a father, husband and wife. 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,280 We lead every day and it's all in how we lead and what we do. 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,560 But I think the most important thing is no matter how you lead in life, it's how you 38 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,200 lead with your faith that gets you through the day because you're going to have good 39 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,400 days and bad days. 40 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:32,520 And I've had many of them and I can tell you that if I truly didn't have my faith, I honestly 41 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,160 believe I don't know how I would get through most of my days. 42 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,040 I get challenged a lot. 43 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,560 I might deal with some of them, the worst of the worst situations, the gruesome situations, 44 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,240 the things that most people will never see or have an impact on. 45 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:52,680 I watch my officers as myself over the years and it's hard as a leader to watch some of 46 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:58,400 your own people struggle and see some of the things that they see and watch the general 47 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,920 public not really understand that this is a huge effect on them. 48 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:08,280 They're struggling and they have to go back out and continuously do their job and do it 49 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,800 with a smile and try to move forward. 50 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,080 And I think as a leader for me, I have to be able to talk to them and touch them in 51 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,600 a way that it's not as I'm commanding them as a leader because that's a different type 52 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:22,600 of leader. 53 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:28,320 I think it's more I have to be a leader to be there to help them when they fall, to 54 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,320 be there for them to guide them. 55 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:37,480 I truly feel that what a true leader is, we're all servants at some point, but I think that 56 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,320 you have to act as a servant before you could even do anything. 57 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,320 And that's the truth. 58 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,960 I look at a lot of factors in my life, both personally and both professionally. 59 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:52,720 And if I truly didn't have my faith and guidance, I wouldn't be the person that I am today. 60 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,720 And that's the truth. 61 00:03:53,720 --> 00:04:01,480 And Jesus led by example and he had that servant-hearted leadership mentality led by example. 62 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:06,520 So you mentioned a leadership style of directing people and just telling them what to do. 63 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,880 But I've always associated that with being a boss, or you boss people around. 64 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,440 And so you're saying that the leadership of good leaders is actually someone who leads 65 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,680 by serving his people. 66 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,520 And the boss is the toxic. 67 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,240 I want to sit here and take credit for all you guys doing those hard work and blame you 68 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,880 when you don't get it right. 69 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,840 Whereas a leader would bolster his people, would be there to give them the credentials 70 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:33,480 when they did well and take the blame when they did poorly. 71 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,040 Just clarifying that's what we're... 72 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,400 I got that all buttoned up. 73 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,720 You know, you're 100% right. 74 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,240 A true leader is somebody that leads by example. 75 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,440 And you have to know how to lead from the front and the back. 76 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,200 Yet many times you have to know just in anything in life that sometimes you have to use all 77 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,440 the people around you and their attributes to say, hey, I need you to step up and do 78 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,000 your part and know as a leader that you have to step back. 79 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:01,320 But more importantly, you have to know that it's not about like you said, being the boss. 80 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:07,000 Is by bringing that mentality to the table to somebody, you lose them. 81 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,640 And true leaders should be mentoring the person they're with. 82 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:16,240 I'm trying to, an example using my line of work as a chief, I'm looking to mentor the 83 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:21,920 people below me to take my spot and them to mentor the people below me to take theirs 84 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:22,960 and so on and so forth. 85 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,160 And that's what a good leader does. 86 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,160 He doesn't try to take the credit for everything. 87 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,920 He doesn't want to be the best. 88 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,440 He wants to be able to do, in essence, I want whoever's leading. 89 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,040 I want them to be better than me. 90 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,240 I want them to go on to do better things than me. 91 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:42,360 I want them to know what I had on the table, different than Pastor Pete passing the torch 92 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,160 over to Pastor Luke. 93 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:49,200 It's he's passing over what his legacy is to here, but now it's time for Pastor Luke 94 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,480 to take his turn to do what he needs to. 95 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,160 And I understand everybody has to do their own turn and do things different. 96 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,440 So I think that a true leader is exactly what Josh had said. 97 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,440 It's not a boss. 98 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,320 It's someone that knows how to lead and be a good servant as well. 99 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,520 I like how you mentioned it. 100 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,000 When you said it and described the good leader, I just kept thinking that's what a parent 101 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,160 should do is want their child to be better than them, to have more opportunities to be 102 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,720 better equipped for the decisions to make when they're older so that they have less 103 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:22,800 surprises that they are just in a better place physically, emotionally, spiritually than 104 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,800 you are. 105 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,480 Not making the same mistakes you did, even though they probably will because they will 106 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,600 probably want to learn the hard way like you did. 107 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Oh yeah, that's the only way I learned the hard way. 108 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,960 Yeah, no, I agree. 109 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:39,000 That's why I said good leaders are parents, they're brothers, they're sisters. 110 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 That's where it starts. 111 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,240 The mentoring starts at home. 112 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,120 I mean, like my oldest daughter, she looked my youngest one looks up to her. 113 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:51,280 So in some sense, she's leading her and bad examples can go down the wrong path. 114 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:56,240 So I think as a father, as a husband, I'm at home, I try to be the best leader, but 115 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:02,000 I work together with my family, I work together with them because I feel we all lead as a 116 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000 team together. 117 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,240 And at times she was ever in the group, maybe the person that needs to step up to be that 118 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,960 leader to go a little further. 119 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,600 But I think we all lead and mentor in different ways. 120 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:20,600 It reminds me, when I was in Mary Kate, they teach that when you help enough people rise 121 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,640 to the next level, they'll actually help you rise to the next level too. 122 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,680 So everyone gets to win when others are winning. 123 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,360 So how has faith and leadership and faith tied together? 124 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,160 How does that help you as a police chief? 125 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,840 How does that help you as a father? 126 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,200 How does that help you as a husband? 127 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:45,320 I think overall, being that I found my faith, it really is a testament when you're working 128 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,320 and we'll just use my line of work and then we'll talk about it at home. 129 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:54,160 But at work, most leaders, when things don't get done, it's immediately let's go to this 130 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,480 place, let's go the next route. 131 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:02,920 And I think I've always been that leader that wants to hear more about what's going 132 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:03,920 on. 133 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,400 But I think because of my faith, being able to understand that we all make mistakes and 134 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,880 we all go down the wrong path and we all have challenges in our life, that I implement what 135 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,160 I learn and what I read in the Bible to how I work. 136 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:24,120 And basically it builds the framework on the kind of character I am and essence to my officers. 137 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:30,880 And I think to them, they see that and they don't respect the fact that they have to go 138 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,960 down a certain way because nobody wants to have to listen to something, but they respect 139 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,680 me as a person. 140 00:08:36,680 --> 00:08:42,440 And in turn, they respect me as a leader because they know that if something goes wrong, I'm 141 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,880 going to be there at the beginning and I'm not leaving until the end. 142 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,240 And they know they can trust me to go into any battle. 143 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,800 And that's very important. 144 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,720 I think a boss is a boss by title. 145 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:55,720 That's what it is. 146 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,720 But when you have your colleagues and others that don't think kindly of you, that don't 147 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,240 like you. 148 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:07,120 And in essence, as a leader, you're not always going to have things that people agree with. 149 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:12,480 But I'm very open minded with all of my officers and I tell them, I want to hear what you have 150 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:13,480 to say. 151 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,440 I bring them in and talk to them and see what's going on. 152 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,320 I don't wait once a year to do it. 153 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,520 Every so many months I bring them in, how are you doing at home? 154 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,680 What's going on in your life? 155 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,040 Is there anything I can do to help you out? 156 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,460 I remember that these people that I'm working with aren't just servants at work, they're 157 00:09:29,460 --> 00:09:30,460 servants at home. 158 00:09:30,460 --> 00:09:33,920 I don't need them to just be able to do their job at home. 159 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,440 I want to make sure they're doing their job at home as well. 160 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,960 I want to make sure they're happy in both places. 161 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,480 So I do worry about my staff. 162 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:42,920 I do worry about them. 163 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:48,960 And at home, as a father, as a husband, my wife is very strong in her faith and she keeps 164 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,760 me going and she keeps me in check at times and says, hey look, we're veering off-bath 165 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,560 here on something and it brings me back to center. 166 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:01,720 So having that strong foundation at home, I believe you have to have the, if you're 167 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,760 at home, your wife or whoever you're with, but more for your wife, they've got to be 168 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,080 as strong in the faith as you because you need that level, that balance in the whole 169 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,560 dynamic or it just doesn't work. 170 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:15,920 They can see your blind spots, things you're not aware of. 171 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,280 You're like, oh wait, I'm messing up. 172 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Yeah, I mean, God calls the wife to be the helper, right? 173 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,280 And it's not a derogatory spot. 174 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,920 It's not a tertiary spot. 175 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,200 It's not a subservient spot, but it's a very key role, right? 176 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,280 He calls the wife to be a helper. 177 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,160 He calls the Holy Spirit as a helper. 178 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,160 Jesus as a helper. 179 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,120 God himself calls himself a helper. 180 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,520 So like your wife is right up there with the Holy Trinity as far as what God thinks you 181 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,520 need with help. 182 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:47,720 Do you find that because of your job, because of the things that you see, that makes a huge 183 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,600 impact sometimes on the faith that your wife has to help bolster? 184 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,280 Like you see some things you're like, man, your wife has to build you back up in the 185 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,120 faith because of your job. 186 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,120 Oh, absolutely. 187 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,200 I would have to say that my wife is definitely by rock for sure. 188 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:07,400 She, she's always, she's the first one to, to get me going and then she'll be the first 189 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,920 one to call me out on something too. 190 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,200 She'll tell me, Hey, look, this is not right. 191 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,120 And I think a lot of times, even when I'm questioning certain things, maybe I'm dealing 192 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,120 with it. 193 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,960 I might run into a work that sometimes she helps me come back to center and say, you 194 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,000 know what, you might want to relook at this again. 195 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,880 I think you're, you might not have given yourself enough time to look over the situation, but 196 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,600 you might be acting too on the impulse here. 197 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,480 You might need a minute and a lot of times she'll, of course, the fact is that she'll 198 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,400 want to do prayer time. 199 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,960 She's going to want to bring me in for prayer. 200 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,080 She's on the prayer team here at the church and she's just pray on it. 201 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,720 Let's talk about it. 202 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:47,480 And I can tell you that it's never failed that if I seem to step off path or something 203 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,440 gets challenged, I look at her and she, she gets me back on path again to say, Hey, look, 204 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,840 let's revisit this again. 205 00:11:53,840 --> 00:12:00,440 So yes, my wife is a very key person in my life and I don't know where I would be without 206 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:01,440 her. 207 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:02,440 That's for sure. 208 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,000 And the grace of God, I thank him every day that, that he brought her to me because without, 209 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,360 without him, I wouldn't have her. 210 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,240 It sounds like without her, you wouldn't be here either. 211 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,240 That's true. 212 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:16,080 She's the, that's, she's the one that actually got us to where we were here today. 213 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,320 She pushed us in the right direction and everything else fell right where it needed to be. 214 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,320 Yeah. 215 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,440 She's, she's very important to my life. 216 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,320 God is number one, but my wife is number two and my kids are right there with her. 217 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,200 She's just an amazing woman, an outstanding person. 218 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,360 Incredible. 219 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:39,880 So what is the most influential thing that God has called you to share about leadership 220 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,680 with us? 221 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:48,120 I think the most influential thing that God's taught me about leadership is that we're all 222 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:55,200 human and that no time and no time do I have the right nor anybody else have the right 223 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,600 to judge anybody. 224 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,280 It's not my place to judge anybody. 225 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:04,720 In my line of work, yes, we see what's black and white, someone commits a crime or whatever 226 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,320 it is. 227 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:12,840 My job is to enforce the law, but my job isn't to judge the person for their actions. 228 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,040 That's not my place. 229 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,640 That's only God's. 230 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:23,560 And I think so many leaders that aren't real leaders, maybe just bosses, as we would say 231 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:33,360 Josh, but I would say that most leaders that act in certain ways tend to judge. 232 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,520 They're going to pass judgment because they're in charge or they're the boss and this is 233 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:38,640 what we got. 234 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,560 And I think a lot of times you're not looking at it for face value. 235 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:50,680 You're not doing your due diligence because a good leader will go the extra mile for anybody 236 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:53,360 to see what they're made of. 237 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,120 We also know there's times that unfortunately, depending on the circumstances that things 238 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:03,880 do happen where people have to be removed from their jobs or wherever else, but those 239 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,720 are why there's set roles and guidelines that you follow at work and those things too, but 240 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,440 I'll never judge somebody. 241 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:17,040 I think that's where my faith is very strong is that I'm not going to judge you or anybody 242 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,800 because it's just not my place to or will I ever. 243 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,320 Has that ever been hard for you to not judge? 244 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:29,040 Every day, every single day that I go to work and watch what goes on there, the things that 245 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:35,400 we go through and people want action, they want to know what you think. 246 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:40,040 They want to know your opinions and the meetings that I go to, a lot of them want that as well. 247 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:45,480 And it's very hard because I have to be open minded when I speak and let them know that, 248 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,560 hey, look, you know, that sometimes you don't want to hear the horse truth, but I'm not 249 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,960 going to judge this person even though we know what the person did or what's going on. 250 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,600 I'm not going to judge them. 251 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:02,440 A lot of times when I bring my faith or my opinion on faith into that matter or into 252 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:09,160 that room, I do get a lot of negative feedback sometimes because people were like, hold on 253 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,120 here, where are you going with this? 254 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,600 And I just always explain I'm not going anywhere with this. 255 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,600 All I'm simply saying is that- 256 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,280 Don't get sued for your opinion. 257 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,280 Right. 258 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:26,680 All I'm saying is that I know the good book and I work on it every single day and I know 259 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:31,600 what I know and I'm not telling you that you have to do the same, but I'm not going to 260 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,440 judge somebody based on what we have here. 261 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,600 That's not my job. 262 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,680 Nor is it anybody's job for that matter. 263 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:40,960 But I think that's a challenge. 264 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,600 Josh, for so many people I work with because they figure that we're the judge and the jury 265 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,240 when we know it is what it is. 266 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:53,840 And I think that gives them a very wrong perspective for law enforcement because we're not that. 267 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,880 We have to enforce laws and that's what we do. 268 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:03,080 Judges do their judging based upon the laws and that's where things get a little varied 269 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,760 because they're put there for a reason to get bad people maybe off the streets so they 270 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:08,760 don't hurt others. 271 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,280 But at the end of the day, my ultimate thing isn't to judge anybody. 272 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:19,520 I know for my job in EMS that TV shows can make a false expectation for the people that 273 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:20,520 you serve. 274 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Do you find that's true with TV shows and media that paints a false idea of what a police 275 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,960 officer should represent, what a police officer does represent and how a police officer is 276 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,080 supposed to conduct themselves? 277 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:40,240 I think the TV shows, they have enough advisors on there that they're either LE personnel 278 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,880 that try to teach the individuals and I've worked with them in the past with various 279 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,040 things and sometimes if they don't like the shot or the way it looks, they have to change 280 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,840 it to give the dynamic a little bit more of an effect for people to watch. 281 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,760 So some of the stuff is realistic, some of it's not, but I get why they're doing that 282 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,520 but ask for the media now. 283 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:00,640 That's a whole other situation. 284 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,920 I think that I would really like to see a different bridge between law enforcement and 285 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:05,920 the media. 286 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,920 They paint a bad picture sometimes because if they don't get the answers they want when 287 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:15,200 they want, they just draw their own conclusion and I think a lot of times a lot of the media 288 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,720 just doesn't realize we can't give them all the information right now. 289 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,360 We're still researching things, we're still conducting information, we're still doing 290 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:25,440 a lot of things but the media, it's numbers to them. 291 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:30,480 It's all about how much can we get it out before this news channel or this station or 292 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,760 this whoever, it's sometimes I think that it's just like any other job. 293 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,240 You have good reporters and you got not so good reporters. 294 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,040 The good reporters will wait it out and work with you to the end because they want to get 295 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,480 the right story out there and others it's just about the ratings and the numbers and 296 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,760 they really don't sometimes care about what departments or officers or whoever it is that 297 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:56,080 they heard along the way because some of the things they report I won't say is untrue 298 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,240 but it's not all of the truth. 299 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:04,880 And those are challenges that we face and I work with our media outlets all the time 300 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,320 and I'm blessed that we do have them because they're there to help us with many other things. 301 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,360 So it's a challenge. 302 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:15,880 I won't lie to both of you, it's a challenge that I think law enforcement as a whole. 303 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,120 It's every day something we deal with in the media has a perspective I think sometimes on 304 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:24,160 the way we do things but we're trying to change that. 305 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:29,000 I really think that by the grace of God I think that down the road things will change 306 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,640 and the ones I work with do seem like they care. 307 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,320 Did you always have a faith when you were a police officer? 308 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,120 Did you as a kid, did you find Jesus while you were work? 309 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:41,120 Was there a moment that happened? 310 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,480 You're like, wow, I really need Jesus? 311 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,440 When did you find the faith through this? 312 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,640 No, I didn't always have my faith. 313 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,040 I was a young kid or a young officer. 314 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,200 I was like everybody else. 315 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:57,680 I wanted to go out and I just did whatever and had a good time and it worked and went 316 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:03,000 out like everybody else and probably went to the bars and clubs and lived a life like 317 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,920 most people do that don't live within their faith. 318 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,280 Lose your faith along the way with many things. 319 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:16,040 Many years back my oldest son's mother passed away from an incident and I was really tested 320 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,040 by that. 321 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:22,120 I think on the job I was tested because you just lose everything when you lose somebody 322 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:26,880 like that and that was back in 2011, I believe 2012. 323 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,640 And at this point I had a girl that I was dating and she had a three-year-old son at 324 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:37,360 the time and there was an accident that happened and she was taken from me and there were a 325 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:38,360 lot of un... 326 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:40,320 So your wife and a girlfriend? 327 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,120 No, I didn't get married. 328 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:48,160 I've been married about seven years now but this happened back in 2011. 329 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,160 I think it was, yeah, real 2011. 330 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:56,360 So she had a three-year-old and I adopted him when she passed away from this accident. 331 00:19:56,360 --> 00:20:01,240 It was challenging this first couple of years because I was battling with my faith a great 332 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,400 deal because like anybody would and it was later, I want to say probably just a couple 333 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:12,280 of years back that a good friend of mine, Dave Kalamazko, he was a police officer, came 334 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,280 in later in life. 335 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,600 He was probably in his, I want to say in his fifties, coming as a police officer which 336 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:23,320 is very unheard of and he worked in an agency local to mine and he only worked about a year 337 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,320 or two. 338 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,720 He was a police officer and a police officer in the pre-jure. 339 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:32,360 And Dave very strong in his faith and he just latched on to me and he just kept on telling 340 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:35,160 me, you've got to get you back to where I need you to be. 341 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:40,440 And he got me back, I think, to where I needed to be in my faith and it laid the groundwork 342 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,680 with me and my wife. 343 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:47,240 I met my wife of course already and we were together but like any other marriage or trials 344 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:54,040 and things along the way in life, then Dave really made an impact on me and my wife already 345 00:20:54,040 --> 00:21:01,600 found her faith and she just, that just was a good pour over with her and him and I just, 346 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,480 it led me in the right direction and right after that I want to say I became the chief 347 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:12,720 of police of one of the agencies and it was just a remarkable honor to be able to go back 348 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:19,200 to a department that I started at and be able to do what I'm doing because I was so strong 349 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,840 in my faith at that point that I realized that now anything's possible. 350 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,920 And there was no limitations at this point because I went from where I was like many 351 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,880 others to where I'm at now and I just, I knew that it was all by faith. 352 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,200 So it really was. 353 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,160 How did Dave know to pour into you? 354 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,320 How did Dave know that you were the guy that needed a mentor? 355 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,800 How did Dave know that you had a connection with Jesus that needed repair? 356 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,440 Like how did he know? 357 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:52,040 It was so funny because when I would talk to Dave and he was one of those, crops are 358 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,240 very rare that he would go out and he would be mentoring people on the street. 359 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,120 Like he would, on every call, he would try to find a way to whatever and he was just 360 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:04,320 a remarkable man and he would always tell me, you got to get strong in your faith. 361 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,520 Charlie said, you got to. 362 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,520 He goes, it's the backbone of everything. 363 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,080 And he'd look at me and I'd tell him what's going on in my life and various things and 364 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,600 he's, we got to get you back up there. 365 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,640 He goes, once you get there and he goes, I'm telling you, you're going to find out that 366 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,360 it's, he, what he always told me, you're going to find out it's easy selling at that point. 367 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:25,960 He goes, because once you get in, he says, anything's possible. 368 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,960 He says, you're going to deal with so many trials and so many tribulations in your life. 369 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,640 He goes, you're going to deal with so many things. 370 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,360 He says, and I can tell you, I've been all over the world and he was. 371 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:38,640 He was been, that I can't, he's been to various countries, to Israel. 372 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,560 He's preached all over the world and he had no, really no reason to really come into law 373 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,560 enforcement. 374 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,560 He just wanted to do it and when he came in, he says, I asked him, I said, why did you 375 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,960 want to come into this line of work? 376 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,920 He says, it's just like anybody else to help people, but I want to be able to get out there 377 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,800 in the streets and help people a little bit different from a police standpoint. 378 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,800 And I didn't really get that till I seen him in action. 379 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:08,360 And I remember I seen him the one day on a call in a neighborhood that maybe it's not 380 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:09,560 too kind to others. 381 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,360 And I remember him saying to me, we're going to save some of these people, watch. 382 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:19,440 And I remember I looked over at him and I'm like, oh, that's a pretty bold statement. 383 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,840 And I just watched him in action, how he was and just talking to people and I'm mentoring 384 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,800 them and just basically talking about the good word. 385 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:33,880 And I'm thinking, and everybody's listening, they're like taking in, like he got their 386 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,880 attention. 387 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,120 And I'm like, these kids are some of the ones we were dealing with are some of the worst 388 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:42,000 of the neighborhoods and he's actually got their attention. 389 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,040 And I'm thinking, wow, like he's got something here. 390 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:53,040 Like I've worked 20 some years in the job and I don't think I've ever had people look 391 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,320 at me like that. 392 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,440 And I knew at that point this guy is a special guy. 393 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,600 Like I need to sit with him. 394 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,600 I need to talk with him. 395 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,600 Copy the rate, Kat. 396 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,920 I got to absorb what he's saying to me because he's got it and he did. 397 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,640 And because of him, he made my faith stronger, but he helped me with so many other things 398 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,640 as well. 399 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,960 And I just think that God puts people in your life for reasons. 400 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,960 Absolutely. 401 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,960 And he did. 402 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,960 Absolutely. 403 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Sounds like Dave is one of those people. 404 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,960 That's why I was asking. 405 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,360 It sounds like this is something God needed you to have, right? 406 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:29,080 Because of all the partners of all the people he could have worked with, right? 407 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,240 The one person that was so receptive that now you're a police chief, now you're married 408 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:38,720 is someone that grounds you back in the faith after you get to see some horrific things. 409 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,800 And in EMS, I probably see half of the horrific things that you do because we don't get involved 410 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,080 in the violent stuff, right? 411 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,720 But we do get involved in the medical stuff and police are on scene for those as well. 412 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,400 And you got distraught family. 413 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:57,520 You've got all sorts of weird situations that can't be described in any other way except 414 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:05,680 horrific and to go home and have that person to ground you is significant. 415 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,480 So God has provided you a grounding. 416 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,920 God has provided you a means to increase your faith by having an example, right? 417 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,120 What was that one phrase? 418 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:19,480 It's go out and preach the gospel and follow those fails, use your words, right? 419 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,160 So this guy is being Jesus to the neighborhood and he caught their attention. 420 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,480 But it sounds like he caught yours too. 421 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,840 He most certainly did. 422 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,360 And I for one am very grateful that you are here now because of the actions of your wife, 423 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:37,720 the actions of Dave, because it allows, because in order for all this to happen, you had to 424 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,480 have had Jesus in your life somewhere, right? 425 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,680 So you let him in once and he never let out. 426 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,200 Like he kept his foot in the door even when he tried to shut me in it. 427 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,920 And then he allowed other people to get in your life so that door is not wide open in 428 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,040 him. 429 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,400 And I'm just very happy that you're here. 430 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,880 I'm very happy that you are an effective member at our church, that you're an effective man, 431 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,280 our man for a men's ministry. 432 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,920 I think I'm really, really happy to know you. 433 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,200 And it's not because I want you to give me a ticket or anything. 434 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,200 I get out plenty of them. 435 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,920 You know, I'm asking you now we get out of them, but it's, it's. 436 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,920 I'm the one who needs your help. 437 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:17,160 It's literally if you were not a police chief, you would still be Charlie and Charlie is a 438 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,520 man of God. 439 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,960 And you might be a little farther in your faith if you were a police chief because you wouldn't 440 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,080 have as many things holding you back. 441 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,720 As funny as that sound, it's a difficult thing. 442 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,600 And I'm just really personally very glad to know you. 443 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,240 I'm very personally glad that I get to see you. 444 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,280 And I'm always relieved when I see you because I know that you're well. 445 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,680 I know that when I see you that all is well. 446 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,440 And it's a very comforting feeling. 447 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,160 Like when the wife is waiting up all night for her husband to come home from work. 448 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,480 So I see you in church on Sunday. 449 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,480 I'm like, yes, he made it another week because your job isn't as easy as mine. 450 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,360 And, and granted, I'm not saying my job is easy, but yours is harder. 451 00:26:53,360 --> 00:27:01,120 I have a long shot and the, because of media coverage, because of the way they like to paint 452 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,640 things, people don't go out of their way to be mean to me when I'm driving an ambulance. 453 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:06,640 Right. 454 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,280 If they were mean to me, it's just because they're a jerk anyway, but people will go 455 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,800 out of their way to be mean to law enforcement. 456 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,800 I've seen it. 457 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,280 I've seen it at people's houses. 458 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,480 I've seen it other places. 459 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:22,400 So for you to have the desire to continue to serve in a community that, and it's not 460 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,480 all of them, right? 461 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,640 It's not everybody, but it only takes one person to give you a bad day. 462 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,520 And so I am really proud that you continue to serve your community, that you continue 463 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:38,440 to strive to allow Jesus to love in and through you, even though sometimes it may not happen, 464 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,000 but you strive for it. 465 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:45,520 I'm very happy to know that your wife is your grounding rod, that she is your lightning 466 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,520 rod. 467 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,120 So when you have that day that's just like nothing else, that she takes that from you, 468 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:51,120 right? 469 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:56,080 I'm very happy that you had a mentor that was like Paul the apostle for you, right? 470 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,440 Like he's out there preaching the word and you're like dumbfounded looking at this guy, 471 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,600 watching all these hardened kids, dumbfounded looking at this guy. 472 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,240 I think it is so amazing the things that God is doing in your life. 473 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,160 And I can't wait to see what else he's going to do. 474 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,800 And I have one of your children in the children's ministry at this church. 475 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,600 And let me tell you, your child is a blessing. 476 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,600 Thank you. 477 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,160 It's just full of life, funny, obedient, right? 478 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,720 It's just a treat to have your child in class. 479 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,560 And the granted it's only once a month, but I couldn't take it anymore. 480 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,720 We all have our limits. 481 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,280 Yeah, some people can't do it at all like me. 482 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,520 I'm so humbled guys that I have you both and many others in my life. 483 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,400 And I really honestly can tell you that it wasn't for the people that I met in my life, 484 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,560 the people that have guided me in my life, the people that have been there for me in 485 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,560 my life. 486 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,520 I know that's all through God. 487 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,920 And like I said before, I'm not passing judgment on anybody. 488 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:02,320 But what I can tell you is that just sometimes being tested every day on various things, 489 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,960 I realized that it's part of what I am and who I am and what I do. 490 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:13,760 And staying humbled and being appreciative for the things that I have, being grateful 491 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,920 for where I'm at is a lot. 492 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:22,720 Being able to get up and go to work and be able to get up and be strong in my faith, 493 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,160 be able to get up knowing that the area that I'm around is a safe place to be. 494 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,600 I know many don't have that, a roof over my head, many other things. 495 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,440 I'm blessed for everything in my life and all the challenges that get thrown my way. 496 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,360 I know that others that I work with aren't so blessed. 497 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,960 And that's why I try to bring that faith in, planting that mustard seed in at work because 498 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,040 I know our wellness is the one that gets challenged the most. 499 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,720 Clearly, it always worries my wife to see many others. 500 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,800 We have the highest statistics for everything. 501 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,040 We have the highest suicide, highest drug use, the highest divorce rate. 502 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,320 We have the highest of every category. 503 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,440 And that's because the stress is so high. 504 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,160 So I do worry about the people that work with me and many others because you just don't 505 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,480 know what's going on in someone's life all the time. 506 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,520 And that's why I said, that's why you can't pass the judgment because you don't know 507 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,120 what's going on in someone's head. 508 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,760 And that's why I try to strive to get them wellness training, wellness help. 509 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,880 I think a lot of them, it's getting them in their faith because that in itself could be 510 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,080 wellness enough to get you back to center. 511 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,080 I'm not saying that's always going to be the case for everybody. 512 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,080 That's big to me. 513 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,080 It's important. 514 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,160 When I go into work, I don't just check in. 515 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:44,120 I can't speak for others, but I'm not one of those guys that just checks in and that's 516 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,120 it. 517 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,120 You don't see me for the day. 518 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,000 I'm involved in all of my workers' lives. 519 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,200 I know what's going on. 520 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,760 I'm involved in the department. 521 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,080 I'm involved in my family. 522 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,640 I'm involved in everything in my church, my community. 523 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,840 I'm involved because I want to be there to help. 524 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,080 I want to be there for them because that's what we're really here for. 525 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,920 We're here to help each other. 526 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,840 And when we lose sight of that, then I think we have a big problem. 527 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,600 There's days I'm not going to be my best and that's why I need the others around you. 528 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,920 The other day, I will go back the other day when I came into church. 529 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:16,920 I wasn't at my best. 530 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,360 I'm going through some family things with my mom and that. 531 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,560 And Josh seen it. 532 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,840 He's seen it as, hey, you don't seem like yourself today. 533 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,120 And I said, hey, I'm going through some things. 534 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,160 He came over and just gave me a hug and I'd say, but you modify, say a prayer for you. 535 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,160 And I said, absolutely. 536 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,480 And then my mom came in, it's a battling breast cancer and we prayed on her too. 537 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,240 It's things like that make the difference. 538 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,440 It's the little things we do in life that people don't realize that are the biggest 539 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,840 impact in my in a day. 540 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,960 So that little act of what you did was so, it meant so much to me. 541 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,080 Josh, it really did because people don't do that a lot anymore. 542 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,480 Those are important things to me. 543 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,400 So that's why I am blessed that I have people like you and Josh in my life because that's 544 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,800 what sometimes gets you through today. 545 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:06,560 You're not always my wife, but I believe it's the people you surround yourself around. 546 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,160 That leads me to my question. 547 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,880 I was thinking of Josh listened to the Holy Spirit and it prompted him to do something. 548 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,320 He took action. 549 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,320 And there was a story that you shared at the men's breakfast that I heard a little bit 550 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,560 about and I was hoping that you could share it with the audience. 551 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,880 I know it doesn't have to do with leadership, but it does deal with leading rather following 552 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,720 the Holy Spirit and his promptings. 553 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,680 And there was a time where you felt compelled to check on this house. 554 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,680 Yes. 555 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,400 There was a, sorry, I let that slip. 556 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,400 There was a situation. 557 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,400 It's a cool story. 558 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,160 Actually many years ago on a department that I'm with, that was the chief, believe it 559 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,160 or not. 560 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,560 I worked with him many years ago and believe it or not, I want to say maybe it might have 561 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,320 been Christmas Eve in the morning or it might have been Christmas day in the morning. 562 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,080 I think it was Christmas day in the morning. 563 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,240 And it was a house that was not far from where the station was. 564 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,440 And there was a call from, I believe it was the family member that lived in maybe California 565 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,360 or Florida and wanted to do a wellness check. 566 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,800 Now we get a lot of those calls. 567 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,960 People will call you, look in, the medics will be there, there's nothing shelling, you 568 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:14,960 just leave. 569 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:15,960 The doors are locked. 570 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,480 It doesn't look like there's any issues. 571 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,800 You're not going to break the door down unless it's absolutely necessary. 572 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,640 So I remember it was pretty cold out. 573 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,600 So it was out on the roadways all around the house and I remember walking around the house 574 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,840 and it was an older style house and clearly you guys can see I'm not the tallest person 575 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,840 in the world. 576 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,840 So some of the windows on the side, I can look in the best I could. 577 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,680 And I remember I walked around the house and I came to the front and I'm like, all right, 578 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,840 there's really nothing showing. 579 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,840 It's no different. 580 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,360 I called in and I'm clear I'm back on the road. 581 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,360 I'm available. 582 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,480 So I started to drive down the road a little bit, not much. 583 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,560 I remember I just stopped and I said, maybe I'll just do one more check. 584 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,560 It's Christmas. 585 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,360 Let me go back and just to make sure. 586 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,320 So I went back, I walked around the house again, still nothing. 587 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,200 I remember I was standing on the right side of the house and I remember there was an old, 588 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,920 you guys remember, there's old wooden salt boxes. 589 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,680 I remember the ones you lift up, you put salt in, there were like old wooden salt boxes 590 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,960 where they used to keep salt in. 591 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,920 And I was like, there's a window right there. 592 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,400 Maybe I'll just jump on top of that salt box and I'll look in the window. 593 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,960 So I remember I looked in the window and I could see the doorway. 594 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,960 Okay. 595 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,280 And I didn't see much and I'm like, I don't really see anything. 596 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,640 I remember I'm trying to look the best I can with my hands and it's freezing out. 597 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:43,480 And I looked in and all I can see very vaguely was I think I see the back of a foot. 598 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,880 I'm like, no, that's not what it is. 599 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,880 I looked it again. 600 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,400 I remember I said to myself, man, is this, there's someone in there. 601 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:56,560 And then as I said that, I can see the foot move and I'm like, that's someone's foot. 602 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,320 Someone's down on the floor, I think. 603 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,960 I remember I called back on the radio. 604 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,080 I said, before I said, I'm going to be back out checking on the house again. 605 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,080 I came to the front. 606 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,400 I said, and at that time I think we just had our own dispatch. 607 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,400 I don't think it was not about one. 608 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,640 That was just a normal dispatch. 609 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,400 And I said to him, I said, I'm back out at the front door. 610 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,000 I think there's someone inside. 611 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 I seen a foot. 612 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,600 I'm going to take the door in. 613 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,800 The medics were already arriving on scene. 614 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,600 I kicked the door in and we went in. 615 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:31,080 There was an elderly man that was laying on the floor feet away from a phone, but he 616 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,480 couldn't get to it. 617 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,080 And he was there for over a day, maybe a little longer. 618 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,440 They weren't sure. 619 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,280 And the house was an ice box. 620 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,960 It was freezing in there. 621 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,600 And I can hear the messages on the machine. 622 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,640 The old recording machine failing. 623 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,640 There's Colin. 624 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,640 Hey, is there anybody there? 625 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,640 Pick up. 626 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,640 Is there anybody there? 627 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,640 Pick up. 628 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,640 Anybody there? 629 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,640 Pick them. 630 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,640 Just kept calling and calling. 631 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,640 He just couldn't get to the phone. 632 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,640 It's like that commercial help. 633 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,640 I'm calling and I can't go. 634 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,640 Right. 635 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,640 So he was literally right there. 636 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,880 And I remember the medic at the time looked over me and said, they got him prepped up 637 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,880 in the ambulance. 638 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,880 He was on his way. 639 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,120 And this was one of many incidents in my career that I can remember. 640 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,400 And I remember him saying to me, he didn't have much time, but the radio was going. 641 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,960 He wouldn't have made it. 642 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,560 And I remember saying to myself, wow, that's why we do it. 643 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,680 It's moments like this that make it all worthwhile. 644 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,920 All the complaints and all the yelling and all the things. 645 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,520 Like you had said earlier, Josh, it's like when I hear something good come down the pike 646 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,520 about my gosh or say, do something, I let him know. 647 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,520 Like I put it out there. 648 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:33,960 Like I make a big deal out of it because it is those things that are big because it's 649 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,240 all the other stuff. 650 00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,240 Yeah. 651 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,840 And it was by truly looking back, it was the grace of God that allowed me to think, hey, 652 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,840 you know what? 653 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,800 You need to go back there. 654 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,800 There have been many times throughout my career, personally in it at work where I should have 655 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,240 went left and went right and so on. 656 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:52,920 It was just him guiding me. 657 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,080 Just him being in back and me telling me this isn't your path. 658 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,880 People, when I was overseas at Afghanistan training, he got me home. 659 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,000 And I know that everything I do, I know is a challenge every day when I go in. 660 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,240 I know Monday morning when I go back into work, it'll be a challenge of things and problems 661 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:14,880 and complaints, but I look at them as opportunities. 662 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,760 It's opportunities that one of those issues, whatever, I might be able to turn into something 663 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,360 positive. 664 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,320 It's a win for me always. 665 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,960 And that's what gives me the ability to be so blessed and humble is that I know that I 666 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,640 have an opportunity every single day to maybe make an impact on someone's life. 667 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,280 And just happens to be in the position that I'm at sometimes, I get a little further reach 668 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,920 and I appreciate that. 669 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,360 And God put me there. 670 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,040 I also know that He can take me from there. 671 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,840 So I take advantage of who I have around me, if that makes sense. 672 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,120 Yeah, it makes perfect sense. 673 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,160 He is faithful for a little, being in charge of a little, but he is faithful with a lot, 674 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,960 is in charge of a lot. 675 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,680 And you have this position and you're faithful for a lot and you're going to be in charge 676 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:00,680 of a lot. 677 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,520 And when you start dropping the ball on that, then he's going to take it away. 678 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,320 But it doesn't sound like you're anywhere close to that yet. 679 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,120 It sounds like you're really leaning into him. 680 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,080 I know that not every day is a perfect day. 681 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:17,280 I know that not every day you are the best representation of what you could be because 682 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,800 I work in emergency services too. 683 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:25,200 And I know that some days are more challenging than others, but I'm very glad that you know 684 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,200 who is the Father. 685 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,840 I'm very glad that you know who the Son is. 686 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,800 I'm very glad you know that you are Spirit-filled. 687 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,280 It really does make a difference. 688 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,920 Do you have anything else you want to share with us today? 689 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,760 Well, I wanted to read a passage that I had, but I wanted to make sure I got the right 690 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,760 one and just two parts here. 691 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,480 It's Matthew 20 verses 25 to 28, but I'll just highlight it. 692 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:54,560 It says, Jesus tells His disciples that leaders should not exercise authority over people. 693 00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:01,520 Instead, whoever wants to become great must lower himself to be a servant. 694 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:10,640 Leaders realize that serving others is the only way to lead with a pure heart, free of 695 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,040 pride and prejudice. 696 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,400 And I think about that because God stewards us. 697 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,160 He gives us the gifts to what we have to do. 698 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:24,200 I do believe that we have the opportunity to influence many in our lives. 699 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,400 So I think that just by keeping that in mind allows me to keep doing what I'm doing every 700 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,400 day. 701 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,760 And all I plan on doing is one step at a time and helping one person at a time. 702 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,480 And wherever that leads me, I'm okay with. 703 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,800 There's some good guidelines to go by for sure. 704 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,160 Thank you for being with us and sharing your perspective and your stories. 705 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,160 I appreciate that. 706 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,040 And I hope the listener appreciated it as well. 707 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,520 If you found this to be a blessing, we hope that you share it with others. 708 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,640 And don't forget to rate the podcast so it can go out to more people. 709 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,840 And also we have a fundraising campaign to help with the audio expenses. 710 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,040 And if you go to GibsonGo.com and look up God's Goodness podcast, you can give there 711 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,400 or reach out to me. 712 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,800 And we also have other ways you can get. 713 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:29,920 And with that, we'll talk to you next time.