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Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast where our mission is to encourage as well as highlight

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God's goodness and modern-day miracles.

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We are your hosts, Josh and Shelley Hankins.

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Today we have a special treat for you.

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Now I mentioned before in my podcast that any time I talk to my friend Jen O'Donnell,

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she'll mention, oh, you might be interested in this or you might be interested in that

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and I'll take notes.

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And when I act upon the things, they're like golden nuggets.

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And one of the things she mentioned the other month, well, January, was Heather Shriver

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Burns and she is our guest today.

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And she, Heather is a top-notch woman and something you would be blessed by is her

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podcast.

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It's the Seek First CEO podcast and her introduction.

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It just pumps me up.

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So I mentioned it on, I did a video on social media.

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If you've ever followed along with my social media posts, one of the beginning videos this

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year was about the word of the year and Heather did a great podcast about what to do with your

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word of the year, how to get the word of the year.

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And it was just very powerful and, you know, I've never seen anybody talk about what to

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do and she did.

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So I shared a little bit about that.

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So that gave some of you an insight to what was coming.

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But her podcast is top-notch and like anything that she does, I want to be a part of because

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she has all this knowledge and most of it on social media, she's offering it for free.

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So I like to take advantage of free things.

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There's that saying, if it's free, it's for me.

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So, but with that, I just want to introduce Heather Shriver Burns with us and she's going

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to open us with an opening prayer and then let the Holy Spirit lead from there.

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So with that, thank you for having me.

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Yes, let's pray.

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Right, Father, I thank you so much for how good you are and for connecting us to each

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other, Lord, that the body of Christ is, although we don't even know each other, that we are

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united in your spirit.

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So God, we just pray that this episode glorifies and honors you, that it just speaks to the

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hearts that need to hear exactly what it is that you have for them.

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And so we thank you in advance for all that you're going to do through it in Jesus' name.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Now, I know that one of the things, not to direct you where to go, but one of the things

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that you had mentioned this year was your gifts.

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And you're another, the second life coach this year that has mentioned about working

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in your gifts.

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And it was also mentioned by Ian Wreath.

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And when you work in your gift, your gifting, God can put the super on your natural.

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And when I took those tests in the business tree, boot camp, boot camp, we did.

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Actually I was sick that week and I got to take part of the lives, but I took those tests,

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the two tests, it was the five fold ministry test and the gifts test.com.

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And wow, those were amazing.

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I was like, that is spot on because evangelist was the one that came up for me.

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And I was like, yeah, I would do want to bring Jesus to the light and make his stories famous.

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So I just love that.

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And you also mentioned that brain tries to keep us comfortable and safe.

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So I don't know where you want to go with all that.

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But this is the stuff that I've been personally working on and taking in this year.

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And then we have a small group of church that we're actually honing in on our gifts and we're

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going to be working on that too.

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So that was, I love how God's just working everything together.

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Carl has Godwings, right?

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It's like something that's already been on your heart and he's like, oh, let me show

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you it again from maybe from another angle that you haven't necessarily thought of or

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you didn't know.

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I grew up actually in a more traditional church, no spirit filled.

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It wasn't really, we didn't really talk about the Holy Spirit.

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And so as I have been in my own journey of discovering God on my own and my own miracles,

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literally of just life and healing, I've learned just the power of the Holy Spirit.

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And so those gifts are so important when we're fulfilling our calling.

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We need to know what those things are so that we can do the things.

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And like you said, he puts his super on our natural.

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Oh, yes, absolutely.

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And it is very important to know our gifts.

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And I believe that some gifts seem scarier to us than others because we're afraid that

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if we have a gift that's outward that people will mock us more than we have a gift that's

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inward where they don't know what we're doing for the kingdom.

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So I actually, the reason that I discovered the deeper the depths, you know, and I got

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one on this journey of just like, who is that God?

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Like, I mean, I've known Jesus my whole life was raised in a Christian home.

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So in 2018, I lost a business that was pretty much my whole life at the time.

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And I'm an entrepreneur.

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And so in 2018, lost this business and was just broken.

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This was like an eight figure business that my husband, I mean, just changed our family's

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life and overnight lost it at 27 weeks pregnant.

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And with our third job, and as I was going through healing, just seeking the Lord, like,

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why did you let this happen?

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And what did I do wrong?

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Asking a lot of those questions that we tend to ask when we go through very painful seasons.

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He met me in the Psalm 23 moment, like he met me in the valley.

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And I was at church one morning, and I was just worshiping and I was holding my newborn

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at the time.

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And this woman came up to me and she said, Hey, you know, I don't know you.

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She said, but I was just praying for you during worship and the Lord shared something with

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me.

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Can I can I share it with you?

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And, you know, in the meantime, I didn't know this was a newer church.

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We didn't know many people.

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Nobody knew I would just had gone through this, this, you know, loss.

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And I'm like, sure.

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And she said, Well, God showed me this picture of a broken heart.

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And he showed me this gigantic needle and she used her arms to like stretch him out

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wide.

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And she said, I just want you to know God wants you to know that he is weaving your heart

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back together in the places that are broken and that you will be stronger than ever before.

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And I was wrecked in the best of ways.

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I thought, wait, what God are you talking to?

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Like how do you how he sees me?

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And for the first time in my life, I've heard the verse that he knows the number of hairs

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in your head.

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I wept and wept like he literally sees me in my pain and he knows me and he cares enough

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to tell some stranger that I'm healing you.

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Like I see you and you're in the process of healing and that was my beginning pursuit

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of the more of God.

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And I think we can stop at the surface of salvation and that doesn't mean we're not saved, right?

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But there's so much more of who God is if we're hungry and we're curious and we want

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to go after it.

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And that really changed my life.

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And it was either 2018, 2019.

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It was all very blurry in that season.

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New baby, loss of everything.

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But my goodness, God is so good and he does see us.

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And maybe someone just needs to hear that.

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Maybe you're in a season of loss or pain and you're like, what is going on?

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And you're asking the Lord to understand why.

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But I just hope that you experience that.

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I call those marking moments.

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Those are those marking moments that I mean, somebody could tell me there is no God or

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somebody could tell me that, you know, something I'm like, I know that I know that I know that

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I want to know that I experienced that to the depths of my soul.

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And that is my experience with the Lord.

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And it has made me just fall in love with him even more.

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I think that's the key that a lot of Christians miss.

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They're safe in their salvation and they don't want to move out further because they're afraid

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of what that looks like, what that means.

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And ultimately, when you have an experience with Jesus, there is no going back.

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And I think a lot of Christians that are that are on the sidelines have not experienced

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Jesus in the way that those that have of whatever circumstance, because we sought the Lord and

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he and he answered, right?

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It wasn't just that he said, I'm choosing you and I'm choosing you and I'm choosing

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you know, not you behind you, that guy, right?

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That's not how God operates, right?

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He chose us because he knew we were choosing him back.

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He loved us first and give us every one of us this opportunity to come to the salvation

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with his.

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And he knows that there's the people that chose him back aren't comfortable with sitting

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in just the salvation box.

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There's so much more to life that he's given us the open air of freedom that Jesus provides

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that we are adopted as sons and daughters that we are commissioned to represent God

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Almighty.

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Like, wow.

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Wow.

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And and then he says, Hey guys, you wouldn't you guys do this?

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You're all going to die.

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They're going to kill you.

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You'll never be able to succeed.

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But I'm going to let my Holy Spirit in you and you will never fail.

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Yeah, it's too good to be true.

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Well, and I think of if she didn't use her spiritual gifts going back to the ones that

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might feel a little uncomfortable.

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She I'm a complete stranger to this woman for her to have the courage to come up to me

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and say, Hey, I don't know you, you know, but I have something to tell you that took

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courage and I am forever grateful that she stood out and she she was bold in in those

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gifts because that literally I've been able to thank her since then.

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We actually spoke at a conference not too long ago and I just honored her in that that

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had you not done that, I wouldn't be on the same trajectory that I'm sure God would have

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met me at some point and showed me those things because he wanted me to have that revelation.

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And that's one thing I always say, we don't need more information.

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We need revelation because that's what really brings that transformation of our heart.

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And so information is good, but if we get consumed with just the needing more of that,

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God wants the revelation for us so that it sinks in from the head to the heart.

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And then we live that out instead of just know it in our minds.

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How did that woman's act of faith help strengthen you knowing what it looked like to be courageous

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in the word?

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Yeah, well, I think in that season, I was just so wrecked like, I want to get to know this

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God, I want to know this Jesus, I want to know this Holy Spirit that spoke to her in

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that moment.

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And so I went on that journey.

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But as I have reflected back on my own healing journey and where I am now versus where I

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was, I'm like, God, if I can be a vessel for somebody else in that way, literally to change

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the trajectory of somebody's life to go deeper with you, like use me.

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And so I have been in those moments, whether it's on an airplane or in the store, you know,

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I'm like, Lord, Lord, use me.

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And if you have a word for somebody or whatever that if I can pray for somebody, you know,

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sometimes I think we want to have those big like, aha, but it could just be a small thing.

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Yeah, it's challenged me to, you know, we freely give, we freely receive.

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So we want to freely give that to other people.

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How shocked are you looking at the old you in the disbelief of someone coming up to you

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to being that is your personality now that that is who God called you to be.

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And not just that, but you stepped into that and you were willing to say, Hey, what can

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I do for you?

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What can I do for you through through me?

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What can God do for you?

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Yeah, I think about so my entrepreneurial journey has been a lot about sharing the Lord.

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And I think that's originally what people were other believers were like, Oh, wait, she

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is talking about Jesus and business like we can do that.

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And so I feel like that's been kind of a common theme for about a decade for me, but then

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insert this really, those spiritual gifts that I've had, I just didn't know I had, I

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didn't know how to activate them.

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I didn't know that I could activate them.

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I didn't really know that there was the more right.

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And then I think that's where it's been.

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But if I could go back to like the 20 year old that knew Jesus, but was definitely a

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prodigal and you know, I was like going to church on Sundays, but definitely not living

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like a Christian on the weekends going, you know, maybe hung over on Sunday morning, but

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I made it.

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And I just think about if she would have had that boldness in her twenties, how many other

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friends could she have led to the Lord?

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And I think, man, like God has always pursued me.

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He has been after me my whole life.

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And I'm just so grateful for that.

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And yeah, there's like, I wish I would have known.

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And I think that's as a mom of three, you know, I want my kids to encounter the Lord,

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not just no information about him.

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Like, it's great to know scripture.

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Obviously, that's part of the journey and write it on our hearts.

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We don't forget it.

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But I want my children to encounter the living God so that they can have those marking moments

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way before I did and really have that empowerment to be the hands and feet of Jesus.

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Our son had one of those moments where he got to know you want to tell her about that.

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So when he was born, he exhibited different traits than normal people.

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He acted as though he was autistic.

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I want to preface that even though I spoke.

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And as he got older, he started exhibiting different mannerisms like he couldn't touch

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metal.

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Like he couldn't do certain things.

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So he'd have to use a shirt to do it because he said he didn't like the smell.

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It turns out that he was lying the whole time because he was hiding something else.

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OCD.

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And when he turned 10, it flared up so badly.

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I'm a researcher.

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So I started researching it right away and figuring out what was going on.

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And they said it two times in someone's life.

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They have bad flare ups.

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So the CD in 10 was one of them.

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And I was like, oh my goodness.

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It was so bad.

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He would wash his hands.

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His hands would be red.

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It looked like he washed them so much that it looked like he was wearing red gloves.

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Oh yeah, they were literally chafing.

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And he was in pain.

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He couldn't eat certain things.

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If he he would put things out by pressing it down with both hands.

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And if it wasn't just right, he would do it again and again and again until he gets so

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frustrated.

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It looked like he was possessed by demons.

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He would rile and just contort his body.

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And it was just horrible.

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And I'm going to admit this here, but if anyway, see me in person, I won't.

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But I'd be in the basement sometimes doing laundry and I'd just cry about it.

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And it just broke my heart that that's not who God gave me.

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That he saved him from so much before that.

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And it bothered me like that.

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After a little while, you know, I prayed for him.

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He had suffered and suffered and suffered.

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And I felt hopeless.

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And I don't know why prayer wasn't the first thought that came to my mind.

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But when he did and I prayed for him and I was about halfway through it and she heard

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she was doing dishes or cooking something and she came in from the kitchen.

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That's how oblivious I was to what she was doing.

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I was just in the moment and she was there at the end of the prayer.

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And when I finished, he was healed in that moment, in that hour.

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He had never gone back.

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He's never had an issue.

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And it was so real that I had PTSD for weeks because of it where I was expecting I would

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do something and he would have an issue.

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Or if he had an actual normal mental issue with something, emotional response to something

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that is normal, but it looked like a trigger for the mouse.

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I'm thinking here it is every single time.

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It was a rough go.

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But he got to experience the healing power of God like I did years before.

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I was healed.

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It was 17 years of chronic neck and shoulder pain.

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And the last day I had it, I was in tears and I was just in so much pain that like I

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had been put on muscle relaxers, painkillers for this pain.

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And it was just so bad that I was like, I can't take this anymore.

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And Josh and Nathan laid hands and it was 2015 and it was healed that day and it's never

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been back.

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So like when you experience it, it's just another level.

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It is.

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Yeah.

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Now I want to go back to you had mentioned about activating your gifts.

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Can you talk more about that?

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Oh man.

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Because some people might not have like, I see I have these gifts, but like how do I

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like activate them?

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Yeah.

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I think awareness is always the first part, right?

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Just understanding what they are.

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I think also it's being around people who are practicing those.

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It's, it's, I think a lot of the times it's like we observe and then it's, oh, like, like

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the person her name's Jerry who gave me a word of knowledge, right?

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I'm like, you know, but for me it was, I want to be around people who are actually doing

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those things.

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I think that's why it's so important in the church that we have spiritual moms and dads.

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We have these mothers and fathers who are nurturing us in that.

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So I think it really, it's prayer.

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It's asking the Lord, Lord help me, show me, teach me, right?

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There's a ton of resources and we can read books, but again, the information isn't always,

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information is good, right?

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But it's not always the thing that puts us in that moment.

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It's on it.

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Right.

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And I think like you were saying those scary moments where, you know, you just feel it in

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your gut or your heart and you're like, oh, you're really asking me to do this.

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And I think a lot of those times are just little like, okay, I want you to do so much

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more, but can you do it here?

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And can you give me your yes right now, even though it's uncomfortable, because that's

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just that small trust and doing it.

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So I think when it's praying about it, just asking the Lord, like, give me opportunities,

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show me how it would lead me to the right tools, people, resources.

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But often it's just that small step.

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It's not anything crazy big, right?

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It's those little things that maybe God says, go pray for that person.

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You know, at a Starbucks or go ask them, you know, what they need, like whatever.

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It could just be such a, for me, it's been small things that it's really me just saying

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yes to God.

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Yeah.

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I think I have to share this.

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So you shared a couple of testimonies about your, your, your son.

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So my wife, three, and my youngest had, he hit his tooth on, I don't know what, but one

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day I was like looking at his tooth and he was, he's just five.

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So they're all baby teeth still.

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And his tooth was like turning purple and I'm like, like you Googling, like researching,

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like what is going on with his tooth?

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Well, we had read that if it gets impact, like if there's so much impact on it, sometimes

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the tooth will like die.

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And I thought, oh my God, these are his baby teeth.

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I don't want him to walk around like, and this, he was three at the time.

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He's going to have no tooth.

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I don't want a fake tooth and a three year old and all the things.

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And so I prayed over him and a day later, his tooth was back to white.

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No way.

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And that, as we said, I mean, and I think, you know, there's those, you know, there's

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those big things and you might think a tooth is little.

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God cares about the tooth.

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You know, I'm in my brain.

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I'm processing as a mom, what are we going to have to do?

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Take him to a, you know, a child, a pediatric dentist, he's going to have to have surgery,

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like, oh my goodness.

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And it's like, like you said, why didn't I think of prayer first?

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And often we don't because logic wants to, we want to fix things where we want to be

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safe.

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We want to feel comfortable.

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And when we're uncomfortable, even if it's somebody else's stuff that we're dealing

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with, we just want to fix it.

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And prayer is, and that's just a good reminder to me to like go to prayer.

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We have in our house.

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So we just moved into our home last summer and the address is, I won't give you the full

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address, but the number is 403.

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And the Lord often speaks to me just unique ways.

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And I was like, what does that number mean?

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Like I feel like there's significance in it.

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So I looked it up and on, you know, when you go to a website and it says like 403, like

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no access.

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And the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, this home, there's no access to the enemy.

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And no weapons formed against your home or prospering.

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And so the Lord gave me this phrase and maybe those of you listening just want to speak life

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over your home.

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But we have a sign I had at custom made and it says, this is the house of miracle signs

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and wonders.

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The presence of the Lord is evident here.

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And I've been praying that like Lord, I really want this house to be a house of miracle

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signs and wonders that the presence of your living God is here.

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So again, that goes back to my kids experiencing that here and now that they get to do at the

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episodes on podcast in the future and get to share about God and he is still in the

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miracle working business.

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Whether it's, you know, the skin, the hands, the brain, your tooth, like God, your heart,

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God cares.

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Well, he knows the best way to reach us.

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And he knows what is so important in our hearts that maybe triviled someone else is a way

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for him to connect with us at such a level that we never forget what he has done for

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us.

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And we're not good at being God, right?

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I don't know if this is true.

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We're publicly accurate, but I like to imagine that the fear that we feel before we pray

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for something is the enemy projecting his fear upon us.

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And whether it's true or not, to me, is irrelevant.

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I will always imagine that I'm making him uncomfortable when I step out in faith and

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do something that I feel fearful of.

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And because it seems like the closer you get to doing it, the more fear you have, right?

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So to me, my brain's like, this has got to be making him uncomfortable because he doesn't

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want us to realize what we can do through Christ.

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He doesn't want us to love Jesus more.

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He doesn't want us to share that love of Jesus with someone else.

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He wants to stop that and he's trying to project his fear on us.

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And so I like this mom's like, you're not going to like this.

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I'm going to do it.

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Yeah, I love that concept.

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Yeah, because our words are powerful, right?

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And our prayers are powerful, even if they're not answered right away.

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There's still power behind it because that's what Jesus paid the price for, that we have

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power and authority and we can use our mouths.

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And so we can use it against us or we can use it for us or against others or for others.

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There was also something you talked about how we are in Genesis, God created man.

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Like he said, let us create man in our image.

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And it's three parts.

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It's the God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit.

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And then just like he's three parts, we're three parts.

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Do you want to talk more about that?

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Yeah, so we're made in his image, right?

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So there's the body, right?

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And then there's our soul and that's what the enemy's after.

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That's what God is after.

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I love the quote by Charles Spurgeon.

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It says, I might butcher it a little bit, but essentially it's how precious a soul is that

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both the enemy and God are after it because God, like that's what he wants is our soul.

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And I think, you know, people have their own opinions about what the soul is, but I believe

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it's your mind, it's your will, it's your emotions.

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It's where you're operating from.

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And then of course we have our spirit.

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And as believers, when we get our new spirit, we are supposed to be spirit led, but because

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we're humans and we operate from our soul really, which is our subconscious, our non-conscious,

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it's our mind.

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And then we make 80 to 90% of our decisions daily based off of what we believe there.

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So we can have a wrestling of being spirit led or being led by our soul.

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And that can be, that can be a challenge.

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And I agree 100% that human beings are threefold as well.

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100% that, you know, the Hebrews called this old and a fish or the throat because it's

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what gave the body life.

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And the body without it is just a hunk of flesh on the ground.

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And the spirit is what gives it the spark of God to gives us that drive that hunger for

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him because we are spirit filled beings were spirit created things.

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And if you don't seek God, you're going to seek something else spiritual.

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And if God says that he is the only God and I believe him, what else out there is spiritual

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that you're going to?

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That's a scary thought.

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Because we're wired for that.

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We're wired for that connection and that more.

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And so, right, like you said, and that's what the enemy takes advantage of that.

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Whereas if we're easily distracted or easily deceived and sometimes it can even, you know,

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that might feel good, but it's not the true.

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The true Holy Spirit.

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Yeah.

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I remember, and this is going to make some Oprah fans angry, but I remember a long time

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ago that she was bragging about being a spiritual person, but she never named Jesus and her

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spirituality in that specific section.

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And I thought, that's not something I would brag about.

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I'm a spiritual person.

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I believe in spirits.

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Like, yeah, I do, but I'm not a spiritual person.

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I am a Godly person.

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I'm a God fearing man.

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And that doesn't mean I fear that God is going to destroy me at any moment, which he could.

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It's just that I love him and I know that he loves me and I want to live a life for him.

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I want to be a living sacrifice for him.

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I was at Roman 12.

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12 too.

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12 too.

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And I'm not real.

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I don't remember Bible versions.

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We don't have to know the address.

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We can still hang out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, no, no.

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I got that.

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Yeah.

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I've always been bad at that.

467
00:24:30,540 --> 00:24:31,540
I always quote Jesus.

468
00:24:31,540 --> 00:24:32,540
Like, did he say it's written in Isaiah?

469
00:24:32,540 --> 00:24:33,540
No, he did not.

470
00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:34,540
That's right.

471
00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:35,540
Yeah.

472
00:24:35,540 --> 00:24:37,340
Well, demons, demons believed in Jesus too, right?

473
00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:41,780
So they were like, who are it's, you know, they knew who he was.

474
00:24:41,780 --> 00:24:46,020
And so, yeah, the spiritual realm is a whole other thing.

475
00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:50,260
And I think because we are so right, we're living in the here now.

476
00:24:50,260 --> 00:24:55,380
Sometimes we can forget how the now and here is a is a byproduct of what's happening in

477
00:24:55,380 --> 00:24:56,980
the spiritual realm.

478
00:24:56,980 --> 00:24:58,420
And that's where our prayers go, right?

479
00:24:58,420 --> 00:25:00,180
That's why our words are so important.

480
00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:02,940
I agree 100%.

481
00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:06,500
And oftentimes we mismanage our spirit.

482
00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:09,920
We mismanage our flesh.

483
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,980
And as a result, our soul suffers.

484
00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:18,860
And you know, God is not focused like on the legalism aspect of the rules, right?

485
00:25:18,860 --> 00:25:23,860
So we 613 laws basically just to show us that we can't live under the law when you needed

486
00:25:23,860 --> 00:25:24,980
to save here.

487
00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:29,820
But the 10 commandments aren't the same as a moral laws, basic human law, right?

488
00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:33,740
That's what you guys need to do to be just humans, how I created you to be.

489
00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:37,140
And it's not because he doesn't want us to have fun.

490
00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:39,500
It's not that he doesn't want us to do things.

491
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:41,980
It's not that he doesn't want us to experience life to its fullest.

492
00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:43,540
It's that he doesn't want us hurt.

493
00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:44,540
And when I...

494
00:25:44,540 --> 00:25:45,860
I think of him like baby gates, right?

495
00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:50,260
Like when you have a baby starting to crawl or starting to walk or cruise, right?

496
00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:52,660
Where do you put them in the little playpen?

497
00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:53,660
Why?

498
00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:55,420
So that they don't get hurt.

499
00:25:55,420 --> 00:25:57,260
Not to not have fun.

500
00:25:57,260 --> 00:26:01,220
But because you as a parent know what are the boundaries that are going to set them

501
00:26:01,220 --> 00:26:02,220
up for success.

502
00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:06,460
And when you want what your neighbor has, how are you living your fullest life?

503
00:26:06,460 --> 00:26:09,740
When you disobey your parents, how are you living your fullest life?

504
00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:13,140
When you're committing adultery, how are you living your fullest life?

505
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:15,580
And so God knows us better than...

506
00:26:15,580 --> 00:26:20,420
Most people, they don't look at the 10 commandments the way that God intended them.

507
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:23,420
And they look at it as a series of rules of what not to do.

508
00:26:23,420 --> 00:26:26,780
I mean, it's okay if that's your rudimentary understanding of it.

509
00:26:26,780 --> 00:26:30,940
But there's so much more that God has intended through the 10 commandments for us.

510
00:26:30,940 --> 00:26:31,940
There's so much more...

511
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:32,940
Yeah, to do.

512
00:26:32,940 --> 00:26:36,380
You know, remember the Sabbath and keep it holy, right?

513
00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:37,860
Put no other God before me.

514
00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:41,340
I think it's that have to mentality like, oh, I have to or I can't.

515
00:26:41,340 --> 00:26:42,340
I need to.

516
00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:43,340
I should.

517
00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:44,340
Well, no, it's we get to.

518
00:26:44,340 --> 00:26:48,900
We get to follow those boundaries because I'm choosing to do those things.

519
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:54,220
I want to honor the Lord in those because I think he's a good father and I trust that

520
00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:56,300
he knows better than I do, right?

521
00:26:56,300 --> 00:27:01,300
And so I think it's that pressure filled that feeling held back like, oh, I have to.

522
00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:02,300
These are rules, right?

523
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:03,660
As opposed to the bat.

524
00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:06,340
These are just loving boundaries that the Lord gives us.

525
00:27:06,340 --> 00:27:08,060
Happy little guidelines.

526
00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:12,900
I like to ask people if you could get rid of any of the 10 commandments, which one do

527
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:13,900
you get rid of?

528
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:14,900
That's a good question.

529
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:17,100
And oftentimes, most people don't even know the 10 commandments.

530
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:18,300
You know, like four or five of them.

531
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:21,380
They only go to the El Shalom at murders and such and like, which would you...

532
00:27:21,380 --> 00:27:22,380
Is it okay to murder?

533
00:27:22,380 --> 00:27:23,380
No.

534
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:25,020
Is it okay to covet your neighbor's luck?

535
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:26,020
No.

536
00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:27,420
So, which one would you get rid of?

537
00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:28,420
None of them?

538
00:27:28,420 --> 00:27:32,180
So, you guys hate this God that you don't know because he's telling you what you have

539
00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:35,020
to do and you're doing it anyway.

540
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:38,740
I don't understand why you feel like this is something he's forcing on you when you

541
00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:42,180
already know morally because he created the moral law.

542
00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:43,180
He's the moral law giver.

543
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:48,100
You know, if it was up to me, I'm only going to do what's good for me and my family.

544
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:50,860
And anything that you do for your family is good.

545
00:27:50,860 --> 00:27:54,780
But if what you do for your family conflicts with my family, then you're evil to me and

546
00:27:54,780 --> 00:27:56,740
I'm evil to you.

547
00:27:56,740 --> 00:28:01,220
So that's why it's no good for a human being to be in charge of moral law because we only

548
00:28:01,220 --> 00:28:02,900
look out for ourselves.

549
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:06,660
And so we needed a moral law giver and that's where God comes in for us and that's where

550
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:08,780
the 10 commandments like this is your moral law.

551
00:28:08,780 --> 00:28:13,500
This is your compass to be good to each other so you don't hurt and you don't hurt each

552
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:20,100
other and to have a relationship with him, you know, within the first four.

553
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:23,500
I see your head, your gears are turning over there.

554
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:29,460
I often bring like, oh, that reminds me of and just in the back of my mind, I'm like,

555
00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:31,300
just heaven is our home.

556
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:32,540
Earth is our assignment.

557
00:28:32,540 --> 00:28:38,300
You know, like just what are you here to do that was going through my mind in this episode

558
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:39,300
for some reason.

559
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:40,300
Yeah.

560
00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:46,060
And I mean, and it's really him bringing us bringing having to earth right now and the

561
00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:47,500
new Jerusalem, right?

562
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:49,420
It's just about a restoration process.

563
00:28:49,420 --> 00:28:54,580
And I, the closer we can get to our original design where God, you know, did it, that's

564
00:28:54,580 --> 00:28:56,260
what God created us for originally.

565
00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:59,860
That's how we'll fulfill our calling better and better if we can get into alignment with

566
00:28:59,860 --> 00:29:05,020
that truth and see ourselves as the original plan that God had for us.

567
00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:09,260
And that's hard for us to do sometimes when we are under lamentations.

568
00:29:09,260 --> 00:29:13,540
Like when you came to the church, that woman poured into you, what God had poured into

569
00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:18,340
her and you were saying earlier about, you know, why is this happening?

570
00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:19,860
What did I do wrong?

571
00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:21,980
And I don't think those are poor questions to ask.

572
00:29:21,980 --> 00:29:24,220
I believe that you should ask God these questions.

573
00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:25,700
I believe that you can be mad at God.

574
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:28,260
I believe that you can be sad and upset with him.

575
00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:35,260
So when you were done lamenting, you remember who he is and who's you are and that you change

576
00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:37,340
your why is this happening to?

577
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:38,780
What do you want me to do through this?

578
00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:43,900
I'll tell you how can I serve you in this capacity now that you've removed this other

579
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:44,900
one?

580
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:45,900
What avenue do you want me to go down?

581
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:51,580
When I pursue what you need me to pursue in light of what has happened.

582
00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:53,660
And it's really about him and it's okay to cry.

583
00:29:53,660 --> 00:29:54,660
It's okay to be upset.

584
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:55,660
It's okay to lament.

585
00:29:55,660 --> 00:29:58,500
It's okay to say why me, right?

586
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:02,380
Because we are still human and we are still very selfish when it comes to certain things.

587
00:30:02,380 --> 00:30:07,300
As long as we remember that he's got something better for us that he didn't make us, he didn't

588
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:11,620
create us to go so far and then say, bye.

589
00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:12,620
See you later.

590
00:30:12,620 --> 00:30:13,620
Good luck.

591
00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:16,660
Thank you for that little shoulder tap.

592
00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:17,780
It's not who he is.

593
00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:21,420
He didn't get you this far, only to have brought you this far.

594
00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:26,860
And it's hard for us to remember when we're stuck in the sadness, stuck in the situation,

595
00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:30,220
stuck in the anger, stuck in the unforgiveness.

596
00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:35,220
But when we allow that to come through, we allow that healing in and we are able to move

597
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:38,460
forward with a greater understanding of his purpose for us.

598
00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:40,820
And that is a very key component for us to do.

599
00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:44,220
And a set of us wallowing forever, never, never.

600
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:45,220
Or stuffing it, right?

601
00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:49,540
Because I think that's what a lot of the times there's shame around feelings because, well,

602
00:30:49,540 --> 00:30:53,220
if we know that God is good and he's going to turn all things to good, we can think,

603
00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:57,740
well, we just try to muster up that like a fake faith almost or this fake.

604
00:30:57,740 --> 00:31:02,820
Yeah, that's one of the things I really help a lot of my clients do is I, to create a safe

605
00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:07,620
place for them to be honest because I work with leaders and leaders have to be leaders,

606
00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:08,620
right?

607
00:31:08,620 --> 00:31:11,420
And I don't have the people who they're serving, right?

608
00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:15,260
They have this certain level of what they know.

609
00:31:15,260 --> 00:31:18,780
And that's one of the things I always tell them that your feelings are like a check engine

610
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:19,780
light.

611
00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:23,940
They're just trying to tell you, pop open the hood, like take a look and like look under

612
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:26,100
there, get curious around what's going on.

613
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:27,900
Why do you feel that way?

614
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:29,460
And then again, that's to be honest.

615
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:34,420
But I talk a lot about that depending on your earthly relationship with your father will

616
00:31:34,420 --> 00:31:38,500
always really highly impact your heavenly relationship.

617
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:43,420
And so perhaps maybe you grew up in a home where when you had emotionally, you know,

618
00:31:43,420 --> 00:31:48,860
I think I'm my youngest, my young, my two youngest are very, very fiery and it's going

619
00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:53,100
to serve them so well one day, but they are, they're, they're much more emotional than

620
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,260
my oldest.

621
00:31:54,260 --> 00:32:01,060
And you know, it's like, if I can't handle my emotions and I can't handle theirs.

622
00:32:01,060 --> 00:32:05,500
And so if you grew up in a home where your emotions were not welcomed and that was go

623
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:09,060
to your room or quit, quit crying, you know, I'll give you something to cry about.

624
00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:10,060
Right?

625
00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:11,060
Yeah.

626
00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:12,060
How many of us grew up with that?

627
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:15,020
That, that can give us that, oh, my feelings are bad.

628
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:18,820
When I hear what you're saying, it's like, no, your feelings are actually good.

629
00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:19,820
Jesus.

630
00:32:19,820 --> 00:32:24,220
I mean, come on, we see him expressing his feelings regarding a 70s, like the, I mean,

631
00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:27,540
all throughout scripture, but that's the one time I think he was so honest with God.

632
00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:31,020
And he asked, do I have to like, if I don't have to, if this doesn't have to be my

633
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:35,140
cup, like take it away, but yeah.

634
00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:37,660
And so it's okay to say like, I don't like this.

635
00:32:37,660 --> 00:32:39,020
I don't like this situation.

636
00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:40,020
I don't like this story.

637
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:45,140
I don't like this, what, what I've gone through and God's like, okay, I can do something

638
00:32:45,140 --> 00:32:46,140
with that.

639
00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:47,580
I can, I can still meet you in that.

640
00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:51,180
And so that's the first part is being honest about our feelings.

641
00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:53,220
I'm glad you brought that up.

642
00:32:53,220 --> 00:33:00,060
You know, it's, it alludes to, does God hear me when I pray and did he answer me?

643
00:33:00,060 --> 00:33:02,180
And he always answers us.

644
00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:04,300
Sometimes it's not yet.

645
00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:07,900
Sometimes it's absolutely sometimes in all good time.

646
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:09,580
Sometimes it's no.

647
00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:13,820
He told Jesus without us reading it in scripture, no three times.

648
00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:14,900
Right.

649
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,100
Can you pass this cup for me?

650
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:20,060
And he had to ask again, what does that mean God's answer was?

651
00:33:20,060 --> 00:33:23,220
No, he told Jesus, no.

652
00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:25,820
And what I love about that too, it just kind of hit me as we said it.

653
00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:28,380
I'm like, and Jesus asked again.

654
00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:32,420
And so how many times maybe you are praying for a miracle, maybe you are praying for something

655
00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:36,660
and ask again, like it's okay to ask again.

656
00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:39,780
And again, he might come back with the same answer, right?

657
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:45,300
But you can be persistent in asking the Lord, like he's not going to thank you around grateful

658
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:50,620
or how dare you ask me, you know, I always say, I love Christmas time when we get the

659
00:33:50,620 --> 00:33:52,820
catalogs and the kids get to circle all the things.

660
00:33:52,820 --> 00:33:57,740
And God used that as a story for me as I've done a lot of healing with my relationship

661
00:33:57,740 --> 00:34:02,580
with with my heavenly father and just learning like really his true nature and character

662
00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:05,460
to be loving and kind and nurturing.

663
00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:11,500
And so it's like, I think he wants us to look at that book and have permission to say what

664
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:12,500
we want.

665
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,180
Does he give us everything?

666
00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:15,180
No.

667
00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:16,180
Right.

668
00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:19,220
So when my kids, I give them a marker and I give them a target catalog and I say, well,

669
00:34:19,220 --> 00:34:20,220
tell me what you want.

670
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:23,180
And they circle all these crazy things, some things they already have some things.

671
00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:25,100
I'm like, that is for a baby.

672
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:26,100
You wouldn't like that.

673
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:28,140
You're a 15 year old, you're not even there yet.

674
00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:32,580
So as a mom and my husband, we look at that and we're like, oh, right.

675
00:34:32,580 --> 00:34:36,940
And so we don't necessarily just buy them all those things, but I love that my kids

676
00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:40,260
feel free enough to say that's what they want.

677
00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:42,340
And God was like, that's how I look at you.

678
00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:44,740
You can ask me for anything that you want.

679
00:34:44,740 --> 00:34:48,460
And I'm good enough to know like what's right for you.

680
00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:51,660
And you know, I think about on Christmas morning, are my kids sad?

681
00:34:51,660 --> 00:34:53,300
Like are they completely disappointed?

682
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:54,300
No.

683
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,380
They're so excited for what they got.

684
00:34:56,380 --> 00:35:00,580
And I think so often we can forget we are God's children.

685
00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:05,020
And he looks at us that same way that often we look at our kids and we can move into that

686
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:09,780
adult role and life happens and pressure and all these things and we forget, wait, we're

687
00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:11,500
God's children too.

688
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:16,020
And no matter how old we get, you know, you have kids, we have kids, it doesn't matter

689
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:17,140
how they get.

690
00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:21,620
When they come to you hurting, when they come to you sad, they're still your baby, right?

691
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:22,980
They like a grown man.

692
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:28,780
I'm 48 and if my son was 20 something and he's like, Dad, I need you.

693
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:30,580
Come here, baby boy, right?

694
00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:31,580
It's immediate.

695
00:35:31,580 --> 00:35:35,340
So why would we think God would look at us any differently if he created us with these

696
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:36,340
emotions?

697
00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:41,500
If he created us with this yearning for our children, why would he be worse than us?

698
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,580
We already know he's better than us in every capacity.

699
00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:44,700
He can love better than us.

700
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:47,380
He can do everything better than us.

701
00:35:47,380 --> 00:35:50,820
We can even understand the level of love that he can provide.

702
00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:52,420
That's how far beyond it.

703
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:54,460
And I know how much I love my kids.

704
00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:58,380
Trying to imagine that he loves me more blows my mind.

705
00:35:58,380 --> 00:35:59,380
Yeah.

706
00:35:59,380 --> 00:36:03,500
And as a mom, especially after the past few years worrying, you know, I started to get

707
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:05,940
into this, oh God, why did you allow me to have three kids?

708
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:07,540
Like I don't want them to go through this.

709
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:10,780
I don't want them to go and God was like, wait a second, I love your babies more than

710
00:36:10,780 --> 00:36:11,780
you do.

711
00:36:11,780 --> 00:36:12,780
I'm like, no, you do?

712
00:36:12,780 --> 00:36:14,380
He's like, yes, I do.

713
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:15,580
I love them.

714
00:36:15,580 --> 00:36:17,220
They're my kids too, right?

715
00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:19,300
And I have good, good plans for them.

716
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:23,620
And that just changed this, that shifted my heart and my mind and get out of worry and

717
00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:28,100
fear and get into expectation that they were made for such a time as this.

718
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:32,300
We've had many of the same thoughts when my son was getting older and I looked back at

719
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:33,300
him and his older sister.

720
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:37,340
I'm thinking, what was I thinking having kids in a world like this?

721
00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:40,100
And I had a fear and doubt and worry.

722
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:45,100
And then I came to God in prayer and he basically told me that he allowed them to be born in

723
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:46,580
a time such as this.

724
00:36:46,580 --> 00:36:49,940
That he has nothing but goodness for them.

725
00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:55,220
And if he wants them here, and who am I to say what they're going to do for him?

726
00:36:55,220 --> 00:36:57,620
Who am I to get in the way of God's plans?

727
00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:58,620
Right?

728
00:36:58,620 --> 00:37:00,140
And they may suffer and they will suffer.

729
00:37:00,140 --> 00:37:02,540
They're going to be human beings, like what they are human beings, but they're going to

730
00:37:02,540 --> 00:37:05,020
be productive human beings in society.

731
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:08,020
They're going to stumble and they're going to fail and they're going to get hurt and

732
00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:11,620
they're going to have dumb things happen and they're going to do dumb things and they're

733
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:12,620
going to grow.

734
00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:16,740
And that's a hard concept as a parent to look at your baby child and looking like, oh, they're

735
00:37:16,740 --> 00:37:22,460
just so sweet that one day they're going to do something stupid, like really stupid that's

736
00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:26,700
going to cause them consequences, real consequences.

737
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:30,460
And they're going to learn who Jesus is through an experience that I can't provide.

738
00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:31,460
Right?

739
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:35,140
So my son is healed with OCD, but does that mean that he understands the magnitude of

740
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:36,420
what happened to him?

741
00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:40,540
So I don't know if he still needs more of an experience with Jesus to help tie it together.

742
00:37:40,540 --> 00:37:44,740
I don't know how God's going to reach him, but I know that he will.

743
00:37:44,740 --> 00:37:45,900
Yeah.

744
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:47,860
I was reading this book this year.

745
00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:51,220
It's called Healed by Gail T. Taylor.

746
00:37:51,220 --> 00:37:55,180
And these ladies had been, well, this lady went from planning her funeral to planning

747
00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:57,700
her future and she had MS.

748
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:59,180
I think it was MS.

749
00:37:59,180 --> 00:38:00,180
Oh, look at me.

750
00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:01,180
I don't read.

751
00:38:01,180 --> 00:38:05,420
Anyway, she had a disease that they said was incurable and she was cured of it.

752
00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:10,300
And of course the doctors say, oh, she's in remission, but we know better.

753
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:15,700
And one of the many stories in her story was she was part of this prayer group and they

754
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:20,700
had been praying for this one woman who was in a wheelchair for over a year because of

755
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:24,100
like a stroke or something happened to the pastor's wife.

756
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:28,020
And they, God told her to pray one more time.

757
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:33,300
And so they all gathered around this woman's house and they prayed around her for an hour

758
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:35,940
and she got out of the wheelchair that day.

759
00:38:35,940 --> 00:38:39,820
So they just, you know, they didn't give up because if they had given up, she would have

760
00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:42,820
been stuck there, you know, for how much longer until...

761
00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:44,980
So it's like interesting.

762
00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:48,740
I think as you go on through life, sometimes we can forget how good God is.

763
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:52,020
And as you shared that story, I'm like, oh my gosh, well, I had an autoimmune disease.

764
00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:59,260
I was diagnosed in 2017, was in the height of my career and I was so stressed out.

765
00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:03,300
So from the outside appearance, everything looked wonderful traveling the world, speaking

766
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,180
on stages, you know, all the success.

767
00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:11,140
And my insides were like so stressed that my body was reacting to that level of stress.

768
00:39:11,140 --> 00:39:15,740
And so I was diagnosed with autoimmune disease, told I was never, it was incurable, same thing.

769
00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:18,100
And that I would be on medication for the rest of my life.

770
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,260
And I did not accept that.

771
00:39:20,260 --> 00:39:21,260
Absolutely not.

772
00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:22,940
That is not God's plan for me.

773
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:26,900
And I'm not, you know, of course there's the, this could turn into cancer and I'm like,

774
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:30,340
oh my goodness, I have three children and all, you know, all your brain starts to go in all

775
00:39:30,340 --> 00:39:31,340
those places.

776
00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:37,780
And I just believed and belief is such a big key to being a believer, literally, no one

777
00:39:37,780 --> 00:39:41,460
intended, but it's like, belief is important.

778
00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:45,060
And I am healed of that 100% have not had any symptoms of that.

779
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:46,740
I have, I never took medication.

780
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:50,660
I pursued Jesus and some natural solutions.

781
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:55,460
And within about a year, I have had zero symptoms of it.

782
00:39:55,460 --> 00:40:00,140
And I mean, you sharing the story of that one, like, oh my gosh, I'm a walking miracle

783
00:40:00,140 --> 00:40:01,140
too.

784
00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:02,140
I'm a walking miracle.

785
00:40:02,140 --> 00:40:03,140
Jesus.

786
00:40:03,140 --> 00:40:04,140
Look at me.

787
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:09,540
Jesus did heal me and man, I think, you know, as we journey along with the Lord, whether

788
00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:15,060
it's the tooth or my body, like he is still in the miracle working business.

789
00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:19,740
And my goodness, we can, we can sometimes even forget the goodness of God.

790
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:21,020
So thanks for reminding me about it.

791
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:22,020
Yeah.

792
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:25,180
It's like, we have that, there's also a book called the third heaven authority by Mike

793
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:26,340
Thompson.

794
00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:33,260
He talks about the his, when he was taught about the third heaven, he was in this prayer,

795
00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:34,760
they were praying over the city.

796
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,940
They were going to have like a conference or something for a few days.

797
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:42,220
And he had this out of body experience where he was taken up out of his body through the

798
00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:45,260
building over the city, up over the world.

799
00:40:45,260 --> 00:40:51,020
And then like he was next to the throne and in the throne room and he was looking down.

800
00:40:51,020 --> 00:40:56,180
And he had passed by these colored dots and then more colored dots and they were representations

801
00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:57,940
of demons.

802
00:40:57,940 --> 00:41:00,260
And then demons over those demons.

803
00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:07,380
And he was taught to pray with the third heaven authority that you have power to speak over

804
00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:13,500
the situation, not speaking from inside it, but over it next to the throne in the throne

805
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:14,500
room.

806
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:18,140
And you just speak that because our words have the power of life and death.

807
00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:24,460
And so he was, you know, speaking confusion into the ranks of the demons and chaos among

808
00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:25,460
them.

809
00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:30,420
So they're, you know, they're evil plans, wouldn't prosper.

810
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:33,060
And I have yet to finish the book, but it was so good.

811
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:37,220
I did a couple videos on social media reading it.

812
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:38,740
And it's just really powerful.

813
00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:41,900
We had to remind her we are seated in heavenly places, right?

814
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:47,820
But how often do we not believe that or not feel that or not think that?

815
00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:49,060
Because we're in here now.

816
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:52,060
I mean, we read about it in Daniel, right?

817
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:58,380
So when the angel comes to interpret the dreams for Daniel, he was delayed because he was

818
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:59,740
fighting with the prince of Persia.

819
00:41:59,740 --> 00:42:05,300
Do you think an angel was fighting with an actual person or the entity that was in charge

820
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:07,540
of the region of Persia?

821
00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:08,540
Right?

822
00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:10,260
Like, why would an angel waste his time?

823
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:12,980
Like, you know, I'm a little bit tougher than you guys.

824
00:42:12,980 --> 00:42:16,620
And yeah, if you've actually seen the real images of angels or what they think they like,

825
00:42:16,620 --> 00:42:19,740
right, we kind of think like, I know growing up, I thought they were just like, you know,

826
00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:20,740
the wings.

827
00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:24,580
You see the ones when you look at the biblical scripture and you're like, holy moly holding

828
00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:25,580
swords.

829
00:42:25,580 --> 00:42:30,820
You know, when God sends Gabriel to Egypt, did he like have a hard time with that?

830
00:42:30,820 --> 00:42:31,900
No.

831
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:34,460
When he sends angels, do they have a hard time?

832
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:35,460
No.

833
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:37,580
So why would he be delayed by one guy?

834
00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:41,580
And then you mentioned earlier that you just believed so much that this wasn't what was

835
00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:42,580
for you.

836
00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:45,700
And it reminded me of the woman with the issue of blood.

837
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:49,740
And I'm thinking, you know, of all the times that people came to Jesus, they asked him

838
00:42:49,740 --> 00:42:52,780
to heal him, they asked him to heal him, they asked him to heal him and he healed them.

839
00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:54,140
They were made well.

840
00:42:54,140 --> 00:42:59,860
But when she reached out in faith and touched his robe, she was made whole.

841
00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:02,060
And it's not just healing, right?

842
00:43:02,060 --> 00:43:03,060
It's whole.

843
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:07,380
And so when we ask God for these miracles and he provides, we get that miracle, we get

844
00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:09,500
that healing, we get that experience.

845
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:13,940
But when we seek Jesus with our whole heart, with the belief that he can restore, we are

846
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:14,940
made whole.

847
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:17,700
And I think that's a huge difference.

848
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:18,780
And I'm not saying you're wrong.

849
00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:23,300
If you haven't, I'm just saying that that's a key for you to seek the Lord because he

850
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:25,060
will make you whole.

851
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:28,300
Whatever the issue is, it doesn't have to be a physical abnormality.

852
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:30,500
It doesn't have to be a mental breakdown.

853
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:34,420
It could be anything because God is not limited by our imagination.

854
00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:36,140
I just want to add in there.

855
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:37,140
That's really good.

856
00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:39,340
Yeah, just just one touch, right?

857
00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:43,980
If we were seeking him that much, just one touch to believe that that was enough.

858
00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:44,980
That's powerful.

859
00:43:44,980 --> 00:43:50,380
He's made in his image and he's the Creator, so we just need to tap into our imaginations

860
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:53,500
and get creative, praise and big prayers.

861
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:58,100
Yeah, yeah, nothing is too big.

862
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:00,660
Somebody probably laughed at us sometimes when we say something like, God, this is a

863
00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:01,660
big one.

864
00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:02,660
He's like, I'll bet.

865
00:44:02,660 --> 00:44:03,660
Go help me hear it.

866
00:44:03,660 --> 00:44:04,660
Is that all you got?

867
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:05,660
Oh, little guy.

868
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:08,100
He ever read the book of the prayer of J-Buzz?

869
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:13,860
Okay, so it's, it comes out of like the one verse that's stuck in chronicles that is like

870
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:15,780
more than all the boring stuff.

871
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:18,540
I forgive me, Lord, it's not all boring, it's all purpose.

872
00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:22,740
But the prayer of J-Buzz, he says, bless me indeed, increase my territory, be with me

873
00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:25,620
all every step of the way and keep the enemy far, far away from me.

874
00:44:25,620 --> 00:44:30,700
So there's this book about it and what he shares is that when you go into heaven, it's

875
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:34,460
a story about if you were to go to heaven and God would show you everything that he

876
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:37,180
has for you, but because you didn't pray for it, you didn't get it.

877
00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:42,020
So there was like warehouse of all these un, basically like unopened prayers, unopened

878
00:44:42,020 --> 00:44:45,820
boxes and because we didn't ask, ask, seek, knock, right?

879
00:44:45,820 --> 00:44:49,940
That's I mean, he tells us, ask, seek, not believe, have faith for what you haven't experienced

880
00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:50,940
yet.

881
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:51,940
But that reminded me of that book.

882
00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:54,580
So I'm like, how many things does God want to give us?

883
00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:56,980
Like we think the big thing is the big thing.

884
00:44:56,980 --> 00:44:58,500
And he's like, not really.

885
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:00,540
Like I have so much more for you.

886
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:03,580
That's something God has been speaking to me recently is that there's more where that

887
00:45:03,580 --> 00:45:05,300
came from.

888
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:09,340
There's more where that came from because we can live in such a scarcity mindset or like,

889
00:45:09,340 --> 00:45:11,300
again, our brains are wired to be.

890
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:12,300
We want to be safe.

891
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:13,900
We want to feel comfortable, safe.

892
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:15,700
We just need to stay in our little bubble.

893
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:20,460
And so the Lord has just been speaking that to me as, you know, I had my own issues, right?

894
00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:22,020
And the Lord's like, there's more where that came from.

895
00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:26,660
So I don't know who that can bless, but whatever God has already done for you, there's more

896
00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:28,100
where that came from.

897
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:34,420
We can continue to seek and knock and believe and being content in the now, right?

898
00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:39,700
Finding satisfaction and joy in that, in the now, while we're still believing for the more.

899
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:41,420
And I know that can be challenging.

900
00:45:41,420 --> 00:45:44,860
It can be easier said than done, you know, to be satisfied.

901
00:45:44,860 --> 00:45:45,860
For sure.

902
00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:46,860
For sure.

903
00:45:46,860 --> 00:45:48,300
You know, that's, we're humans.

904
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,660
We want that immediate gratification and we don't get it.

905
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:51,660
We get sour.

906
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:56,100
How many non-Christians or former Christians are mad at God?

907
00:45:56,100 --> 00:46:00,420
Not because of God doing anything, but because of poor representation by his children.

908
00:46:00,420 --> 00:46:04,420
And you know, you're in comments on your videos like, well, you know, 25,000 kids are sick

909
00:46:04,420 --> 00:46:06,380
and die and where's God in that?

910
00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:09,660
I was like, God didn't cause those kids to get sick and dead.

911
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:10,660
We did.

912
00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:11,660
Good point.

913
00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:12,660
He's not.

914
00:46:12,660 --> 00:46:13,660
He's not in that.

915
00:46:13,660 --> 00:46:14,660
Kids got cancer at four.

916
00:46:14,660 --> 00:46:16,740
Well, who's the one that decided to make everything the carcinogens?

917
00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:18,300
Is that his fault or is that our fault?

918
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:22,820
Like, when are we going to take responsibility for our part in this?

919
00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:23,820
Right?

920
00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:26,860
We don't want to give him any credit for any of the good things in the world, but only

921
00:46:26,860 --> 00:46:29,020
want to blame him when things aren't going right.

922
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:34,980
I think that is a paltry excuse to use that if you really feel that God is harming people

923
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:39,300
deliberately because he's unjust, because he's not good, because he's sadistic, whatever,

924
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:40,300
tell him.

925
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:41,300
Tell him yourself.

926
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:42,300
Right?

927
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:46,020
Because clearly you believe in him because you think he's doing this to them.

928
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:47,020
Tell him yourself.

929
00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:48,380
I don't mind.

930
00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:50,380
My job isn't to convert you.

931
00:46:50,380 --> 00:46:52,900
My job is to make disciples of all nations.

932
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:55,660
I'm not going to condemn you on something I think you're doing wrong.

933
00:46:55,660 --> 00:46:59,140
My job is to have you guys have them eating and talking about yourself.

934
00:46:59,140 --> 00:47:02,740
You're born a certain kind of way, like in a certain kind of person.

935
00:47:02,740 --> 00:47:04,180
I don't care.

936
00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:05,180
Take it up with Jesus.

937
00:47:05,180 --> 00:47:06,500
You think he made you that way?

938
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:08,340
Tell him, hey, Jesus, I don't think I'm broken.

939
00:47:08,340 --> 00:47:10,580
I think you made me this way.

940
00:47:10,580 --> 00:47:11,580
That's your conversation.

941
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:13,540
I step out.

942
00:47:13,540 --> 00:47:16,380
If you want to learn more about the word, come call me.

943
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:18,420
You want to learn more about what Jesus meant at Sir.

944
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:19,420
Let's talk.

945
00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:20,420
You want to pray together?

946
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:21,420
I'm in.

947
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:24,020
But if you want to blame God for everything that's wrong in the world, that's between

948
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:25,020
you and God.

949
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:28,340
Just like when I want to blame him for stupid stuff that he didn't do wrong, but I just

950
00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:30,140
want to blame him because you've got to blame someone.

951
00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:31,140
Yeah, logic.

952
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:32,380
I don't involve people.

953
00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:34,380
Logic wants to make sense, right?

954
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:39,100
Because as humans, we want to know that that makes sense.

955
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:45,420
We seek logic so much that we forget that things are spiritual, right?

956
00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:47,140
There are things that are spiritual.

957
00:47:47,140 --> 00:47:52,940
If we're not seeking spiritual truth and wisdom in that, we can get stuck in this cycle of,

958
00:47:52,940 --> 00:47:53,940
right?

959
00:47:53,940 --> 00:47:54,940
Everyone's wired differently, right?

960
00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:58,500
My oldest is very, he has an engineering brain.

961
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:00,500
He needs to understand how things work.

962
00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:03,900
At a very young age, he would take cars apart and observe it.

963
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:04,900
I'm just fun.

964
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:05,900
I just want to have a good time.

965
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:07,780
I couldn't care less how it's put together.

966
00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:09,380
I'm like, let's just do it.

967
00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:14,900
It's been so fun to watch his personality, but he really feels the need to understand

968
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:16,820
how things, and I have the gift of faith.

969
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:17,900
That's one of my spiritual gifts.

970
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:20,220
So to me, I'm like, no, it's good.

971
00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:24,140
But my son does need, but logic is good and it's beautiful and God gave it to us.

972
00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:26,780
It's to help us remain safe.

973
00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:32,780
But we can get so stuck in that, because we want to make it make sense.

974
00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:37,500
And again, we forget that we're living the spiritual world, right?

975
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:39,620
So yeah, I love that.

976
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:41,780
I'm grateful that God puts a caveat.

977
00:48:41,780 --> 00:48:43,580
Because I'm like your son.

978
00:48:43,580 --> 00:48:47,460
I need to know how things are made, how things work, why things do things.

979
00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:51,140
He caused me many problems when I was in the Navy, because this is this.

980
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:53,300
Why is this this?

981
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:54,300
Because it is.

982
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:56,820
Or they tell me, because, okay, well, why is that?

983
00:48:56,820 --> 00:48:57,820
And then why is that?

984
00:48:57,820 --> 00:48:59,940
And we go right down that rabbit trail.

985
00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:05,140
And so I'm very grateful that God says that his ways are beyond our ways, that his understanding

986
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:06,700
is not our understanding.

987
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:11,260
And so when he calls us to trust him, when he calls us to live in a loving relationship

988
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:14,380
with him, we don't have to understand it.

989
00:49:14,380 --> 00:49:17,140
We don't have to come to the table saying, God, I have all the answers.

990
00:49:17,140 --> 00:49:18,140
I'm ready.

991
00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:21,500
You know, you know, and you don't need the answers.

992
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:22,500
All you need is me.

993
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:23,860
And I think is a heart for me.

994
00:49:23,860 --> 00:49:27,540
When you can surrender that, that's what makes the journey fun.

995
00:49:27,540 --> 00:49:32,460
And it's like, so I love the verse, deep calls to deep.

996
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:37,060
And essentially, I feel like that's how the Lord has given me that for my life, that there's

997
00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:39,300
that goes kind of back to what he's been telling me recently.

998
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:40,300
There's more where that came from.

999
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:41,300
Do you want to come out?

1000
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:42,780
Do you want to come out of the boat a little bit more?

1001
00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:43,780
Like, there's more.

1002
00:49:43,780 --> 00:49:46,660
I'll take you deeper if you're willing to trust me.

1003
00:49:46,660 --> 00:49:47,740
And it takes trust.

1004
00:49:47,740 --> 00:49:50,180
And I think, I think trust is God's love language.

1005
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:54,620
I think that's where he's like, I want you to trust me.

1006
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:57,820
And when you show me that you do, I'll show you the more.

1007
00:49:57,820 --> 00:49:59,300
Sure, that makes a lot of sense.

1008
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:03,700
You know, you think about the original sin, the fall of Adam and Eve and the pride that

1009
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:08,220
they took thinking they could be like God really involved trust, right?

1010
00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:10,020
They said, God, I don't believe you.

1011
00:50:10,020 --> 00:50:12,420
I don't believe that you're the best for us.

1012
00:50:12,420 --> 00:50:18,140
This guy over here, you know, this thing, whatever it is, said that we could do this.

1013
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:20,060
And so I think you lied.

1014
00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:24,580
So I saw the fruit is good, good for me, good for consumption, good for my husband.

1015
00:50:24,580 --> 00:50:27,220
Good for the garden, good for everything.

1016
00:50:27,220 --> 00:50:31,780
And that user cannot be trusted, which is a ludicrous concept, right?

1017
00:50:31,780 --> 00:50:36,860
And so ever since the very fall of man, God has only ever been trying to regain his character,

1018
00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:42,580
to defend his character and to let us know that he's never been anything other than honest,

1019
00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:48,300
true, full of integrity, full of character, and most of all, full of love.

1020
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:49,300
Yeah.

1021
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:53,940
And I think as you read the Bible, right, that's like the revelation.

1022
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:57,740
You can kind of see the like aha moments of Moses and Abraham.

1023
00:50:57,740 --> 00:51:01,140
And then it comes to Jesus and we've got the New Testament and here it is.

1024
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:05,100
It's like, aha, like he is God in flesh.

1025
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:09,580
And I know sometimes I can get confused about Old Testament and like, oh man, that seems

1026
00:51:09,580 --> 00:51:10,580
horrible.

1027
00:51:10,580 --> 00:51:11,580
Like you did that.

1028
00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:14,220
And you know, like the things I don't really want to read to my kids yet.

1029
00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:17,220
Cause I'm like, you might need to be a little bit older to like have this.

1030
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:20,860
But I'm always like, you know what Heather, just as I just simplify for myself, go back

1031
00:51:20,860 --> 00:51:23,820
to the New Testament and did Jesus do it?

1032
00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:26,460
Like was that, is that what Jesus reflected?

1033
00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:29,300
Because that's how we can, I mean, that's easy for me to settle on that.

1034
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:31,740
I'm like, okay, what was Jesus's character and nature?

1035
00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:35,700
Cause he only did what the father told him to do and he only, he reflected that.

1036
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:39,380
So anyone wrestling with his God really good?

1037
00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:41,820
I mean, we have those questions when we read the Bible, right?

1038
00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:44,060
Oh, that does not seem good.

1039
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:47,380
He turned her into a pillar of salt, like what?

1040
00:51:47,380 --> 00:51:52,140
But we can always look for Jesus and what did he do?

1041
00:51:52,140 --> 00:51:55,380
And that's to me just a, okay, I can exhale.

1042
00:51:55,380 --> 00:51:58,500
Well, it's again, it goes to our level of understanding.

1043
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:02,500
You know, you mentioned Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt.

1044
00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:08,060
How do we know how detrimental her longing to be where she was would have affected Lot

1045
00:52:08,060 --> 00:52:09,420
and his family in the future.

1046
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:12,260
We don't know what was laid out ahead of them.

1047
00:52:12,260 --> 00:52:17,860
So it may seem like a cruel and unusual thing, but to God, he may have just saved generations

1048
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:21,140
and so that his plan could succeed because she would have derailed it.

1049
00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:23,620
Lot would have listened to his wife as he should have.

1050
00:52:23,620 --> 00:52:28,180
So he just took her out of the equation because she had that longing to look back, the longing

1051
00:52:28,180 --> 00:52:30,660
to miss what she had left, which to me is crazy too.

1052
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:32,660
Cause like, cause you were okay with that.

1053
00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:35,260
That's not okay, you know, whatever.

1054
00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:39,060
You know, it's not that it was, you know, the lifestyle or anything is that, you know,

1055
00:52:39,060 --> 00:52:43,140
literally when the angels showed up, they came to the door and wanted to take them and

1056
00:52:43,140 --> 00:52:45,780
accost them and do things with these people because they were new.

1057
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:49,900
Like that's a level of barbarism that is not seen in most places.

1058
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:52,260
Like, Hey, we know you got guests sent them out.

1059
00:52:52,260 --> 00:52:53,260
We want them on the table.

1060
00:52:53,260 --> 00:52:56,780
I get, no, he nuts.

1061
00:52:56,780 --> 00:52:58,860
And so it's not just about certain debauchery.

1062
00:52:58,860 --> 00:53:02,300
It's about the level of which they were comfortable with it.

1063
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:05,300
And so, you know, the, oh, the bears that ate the children.

1064
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:08,940
I hear that one all the time, you know, and God did this or, you know, he killed every

1065
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:11,980
man, woman and child in Jericho, right?

1066
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:13,860
And God is a hateful, vengeful God.

1067
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:16,180
And it's like, well, first of all, God didn't kill any of those people.

1068
00:53:16,180 --> 00:53:17,500
He saw them and get more.

1069
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:18,500
Sure.

1070
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:20,500
And so, he killed Jericho.

1071
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:21,860
That was his people who did under his orders, right?

1072
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:26,540
So it's still basically him doing it, but we don't understand the level of why we don't

1073
00:53:26,540 --> 00:53:28,260
understand what was going on.

1074
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:31,860
We don't understand that these people would never, ever, ever, ever, ever in a million

1075
00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:35,300
years, ever turn in worship God.

1076
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:38,940
And the one person who did was the one person whose family was saved, right?

1077
00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:44,820
The one person who recognized him as the God of Israel was the one person that became Israel,

1078
00:53:44,820 --> 00:53:45,940
right?

1079
00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:48,740
And she became part of the family just by believing in him.

1080
00:53:48,740 --> 00:53:50,660
And God alludes to that later, right?

1081
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:52,780
Jesus talks about, don't worry about genealogy.

1082
00:53:52,780 --> 00:53:56,580
He says, hey, you may think you're Abraham's seed, but you're not.

1083
00:53:56,580 --> 00:53:59,100
If you believe in me, you're Abraham's seed.

1084
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:02,540
Even if you come from his lineage, it doesn't matter to me, right?

1085
00:54:02,540 --> 00:54:07,420
So if you're a Gentile, you're basically Israel, so long as you believe in Jesus.

1086
00:54:07,420 --> 00:54:10,460
And that's why when I hear things like, hey, we support Israel, I do.

1087
00:54:10,460 --> 00:54:11,460
I love Israel.

1088
00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:12,460
I support Israel.

1089
00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:13,460
But we are Israel as well.

1090
00:54:13,460 --> 00:54:14,460
Right.

1091
00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:15,460
Amen.

1092
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:17,900
And that goes back to that belief, right?

1093
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:19,500
Do we believe, right?

1094
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:25,340
So yeah, is it a literal location or is it more figuratively we as the body of Christ,

1095
00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:26,340
right?

1096
00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:31,340
Who has accepted and proclaimed Jesus to be our Lord and Savior.

1097
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:32,340
Yeah.

1098
00:54:32,340 --> 00:54:33,340
This has been great.

1099
00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:35,140
I'm so excited to have you with us today.

1100
00:54:35,140 --> 00:54:36,620
Well, thank you for having me.

1101
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:37,620
It's been fun.

1102
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:38,620
It's been a good conversation.

1103
00:54:38,620 --> 00:54:41,340
We went to all different places, which has been super fun.

1104
00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:42,340
I've heard a lot about you.

1105
00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:43,740
I've never met you until today.

1106
00:54:43,740 --> 00:54:46,980
I can't make them listen to a podcast of yours.

1107
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:48,780
Well, it's better in person anyway.

1108
00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:50,140
So obviously, obviously.

1109
00:54:50,140 --> 00:54:54,940
And I am so stoked that we have come to the same realizations on so many things from

1110
00:54:54,940 --> 00:54:59,980
clearly different paths, from clearly different backgrounds, from clearly different demographics,

1111
00:54:59,980 --> 00:55:02,300
from clearly different gender aspects, right?

1112
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:06,260
Like, I've never known who's loved to be loved by a father as a daughter.

1113
00:55:06,260 --> 00:55:10,060
And you've never known as loved as a son by far, right?

1114
00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:16,820
And yet you came to, I mean, almost marrying a lot of the way I've understood Jesus.

1115
00:55:16,820 --> 00:55:17,900
And I think that's phenomenal.

1116
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:18,900
I love seeing that.

1117
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:21,420
And like, every time you're saying something, oh, my gosh, and you said something, I'm looking

1118
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:23,740
at him like, I see that all the time, right?

1119
00:55:23,740 --> 00:55:25,100
And it was so amazing.

1120
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:29,300
Like I've always said, your relationship with your father is directly dependent on your

1121
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:30,780
relationship with your earthly father.

1122
00:55:30,780 --> 00:55:34,180
So if you felt conditional love, you're going to think God is conditional love.

1123
00:55:34,180 --> 00:55:37,700
If you felt that you're not seeing or your emotions don't matter, you're not going to

1124
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:38,700
go to God with your emotions.

1125
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:40,420
You're not going to go to God like you've been seen.

1126
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:42,420
Like, I've been saying that for years.

1127
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:44,420
I was like, right here.

1128
00:55:44,420 --> 00:55:45,420
Yes.

1129
00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:49,220
I felt so excited that literally, I'm not going to put a percentage up because I don't

1130
00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:50,740
know, but it's high.

1131
00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:55,900
It's definitely the 90th percentile that we agreed on things that came to the same conclusion.

1132
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:56,900
And it's, it's just...

1133
00:55:56,900 --> 00:55:57,900
That's the Holy Spirit.

1134
00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:00,460
Or maybe being united in spirit and truth.

1135
00:56:00,460 --> 00:56:03,580
And we are united in spirit and truth.

1136
00:56:03,580 --> 00:56:09,220
Because that's how good his, he is, that he wants the body of Christ connected.

1137
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:13,780
And I think that personally is something that he has been working in my heart and to show

1138
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:18,340
me the importance of for all of us to fulfill our assignments here, we have to function

1139
00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:19,620
together as the body.

1140
00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:21,260
God, Jesus is the head, right?

1141
00:56:21,260 --> 00:56:24,900
And we all function differently, but our spirits are what's the same, right?

1142
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:26,740
You're, like you said, you're that engineering brain.

1143
00:56:26,740 --> 00:56:28,260
I am not.

1144
00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:31,100
But we can serve each other and so we can compliment each other.

1145
00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:35,580
And so when we can be united in spirit and truth, man, just think about how much more

1146
00:56:35,580 --> 00:56:36,980
the church can do.

1147
00:56:36,980 --> 00:56:42,220
It goes along with our church's mission is one body.

1148
00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:45,060
And I don't have it memorized, but it's, it's good.

1149
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:46,060
So you did not come prepared.

1150
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:47,060
We'll touch you.

1151
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:48,060
Stay tuned.

1152
00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:49,060
One body.

1153
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:50,060
But it is if we really are.

1154
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:54,100
And I think, you know, whether it's the denomination or the eschatology belief or, I mean, we can,

1155
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:57,460
we can argue on a lot of different things or not agree.

1156
00:56:57,460 --> 00:57:04,500
But if we could just agree that we are one body and yes, I think that is, that is my

1157
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:09,300
heart to help the body heal, the body of Christ heal.

1158
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:14,100
That's I'm specifically called to serve believers because how can we be the hands and feet of

1159
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,380
Jesus if we're the ones hurting?

1160
00:57:16,380 --> 00:57:20,380
And I do think that there's just a lot of work to be done in believers hearts and minds

1161
00:57:20,380 --> 00:57:22,660
to get back into alignment with who is God.

1162
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:23,660
He is good.

1163
00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:25,980
He's loving because you can't give what you haven't received.

1164
00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:29,780
And if you haven't received the love of God, you can't give it.

1165
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:30,780
And that's it.

1166
00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:36,540
That may we receive that love and encounter it and experience it so that we can then give

1167
00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:38,740
that to other people.

1168
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:40,100
It's been great conversation.

1169
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:41,260
I love it.

1170
00:57:41,260 --> 00:57:45,340
And if this episode has been a blessing to you, we ask that you pass it along.

1171
00:57:45,340 --> 00:57:50,900
So far we are in 19 countries and we're hoping to get into more countries and even the United

1172
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:54,420
States so or in 30 states so far.

1173
00:57:54,420 --> 00:57:57,900
So if you know someone that this could be an encouragement to we ask that you pass it

1174
00:57:57,900 --> 00:57:58,900
along.

1175
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:03,980
And also we have a fundraising campaign to help with the audio expenses because that

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does not bring us joy and we outsource that.

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So if you go to givestandgo.com and look up God's goodness podcast, you can find us there

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and we would appreciate the help.

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And with that, we'll talk to you next time.