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Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast, where our mission is to encourage as well as highlight

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God's goodness and modern-day miracles.

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We are your hosts, Josh and Shelly Hankins.

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Today I'd like to start off with giving props to the Holy Spirit.

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He's running all things in this podcast.

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He's leading me to all the right guests in the most amazing order.

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When you hear us speak, none of it is scripted.

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Right now I'm only reading from notes because I don't want to forget these thoughts that

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have been on my mind.

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So when you hear something, it's more than likely it's the first time we're hearing

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it as well.

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Now, the connections coming from this podcast are so amazing.

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It reminded me of our 27 months of no discernible income.

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We described the story in one of our first four episodes.

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I can't remember which one.

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But the short of it is, I was a stay-at-home mom and Josh was laid off from the gas industry.

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They have his feast or famine.

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But during those 27 months and one week, we didn't lose our house, utilities, nothing.

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God worked things together in the most interesting of ways and looking back, I wish I had written

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them down.

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Now, with that said, I'm starting to keep track of all the connections made from this

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podcast and I'll share it each year.

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I'm still working on how to present it visually besides just having a list.

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So that's one thing I'll be working on.

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Now talking about connections, it's wild how God works.

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I've said before and I'll say it again, life is about relationships.

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Relationships with one another, a relationship with the Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit.

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Now, today's guest actually knows Jim said we released his episode just yesterday and

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then past repeat.

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His episode is releasing next week and Leo Wisniewski, he was mentioned in Jim's episode.

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So you may actually know him too.

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He helped the Steelers win four Super Bowls in six years back in the day.

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And now he's doing more meaningful things for the kingdom and we're going to let him

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share what the Holy Spirit has led him to share.

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With that, we'd like to welcome John Colb to the show.

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We'll have him start things off with an opening prayer and then we'll get into it.

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So thanks for coming, John.

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Thank you.

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And when you said opening prayer, I thought, oh, wow, I was hoping we would do that.

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Great.

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Father, we know that all things come from your hand and that's including strength, the

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very life we live, the breath that you give us, knowledge, wisdom, understanding.

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It all comes from your hand and it's for your pleasure.

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And so Lord, we just pray that this would be a gift to you and a gift to those that

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we serve.

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In Jesus' name we ask, amen.

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Amen.

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So where would you like to start, John?

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Most people, you mentioned it already.

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I did.

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I had the opportunity to play in four Super Bowls.

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That was really hard to describe and that was over a period of 13 years with the Steelers

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and then after that I ended up coaching for 10 more.

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And again, it's not like I grew up milking cows.

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So I didn't want to milk cows the rest of my life and God gave me an opportunity to go

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to college on a football scholarship because it's hard to pay for college milk and cows.

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And so then I find I'm 44 years old.

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I've been with the Steelers 23 years.

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So that's over half my life.

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And all of a sudden, I don't know a single guy that's ever played.

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You mentioned Leo Wosniewski.

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Nobody says, oh, this is not funding anymore.

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I think I'll do something else.

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He would play another day, but at 35, I was 35, I played my last football game.

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So you could play every other week.

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You could play a couple more years.

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But what happens is you play a game on Sunday and then the next Sunday, you're still beat

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up from the previous game.

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And I was blessed.

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I got to coach for 10 years.

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And then Chuck retired and Bill Cowher came.

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And I actually did interview with Bill, but being around Chuck and it was just a different,

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I thought, OK, this won't work.

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And so I to quote Chuck, I thought I needed to get on with my life's work, but I wasn't

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sure what that was because I had been so intense on playing football and then coaching football.

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I had gone to grad school and so I was prepared.

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so mind and strength.

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I was prepared with my mind because I'd gone to school.

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So from that standpoint, but I wasn't really prepared with my soul, my heart.

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Your heart, God, that's our emotions.

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Pharaoh's heart was hardened by Moses.

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So I wasn't prepared with my heart.

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I wanted something that was challenging like football was.

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And what we're doing now with adventures and training with purpose, we have veterans that

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have been in combat.

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I've never been in combat.

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I've never had someone shoot at me.

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Most of us would remember Beirut Lebanon, 423 Marines were killed by a suicide bomber.

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One of those men that was in that blast, but wasn't killed, is one of the people that

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we work with.

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And we could go on talking about some of these men and what PTS really is.

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And the only thing that I found that heals that is God's Holy Spirit.

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So I've taken a long time to try to say this is way more challenging than playing against

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the Cleveland Browns or whoever you wanted, Cincinnati Bengals or something.

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I have a couple of Cleveland Browns fans that work with us and so I'm always kidding them

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about the Cleveland Brown trophy case.

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It's easy to dust.

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It's not a lot in a way.

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So you have some thoughts that you wanted to bring to the table?

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If you wanted to go into what the Holy Spirit led there?

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So I kind of alluded to it a while ago.

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When I was growing up in Oklahoma, when I did, the University of Oklahoma had won 47

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football games in a row.

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That's still a NCAA record.

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And Bud Wilkinson was the head football coach at the University of Oklahoma.

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On Sunday afternoons after church, there would be the Bud Wilkinson show.

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And so I'd always want to watch it because I was a little guy, but I was at the time

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I was in the fourth grade.

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I had never played football, just watched it.

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And this, you know, if you think back, most of us can think back to moments or words or

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sentences or questions that have impacted our life.

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So they asked Bud Wilkinson what his definition of football was.

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And here's what he said.

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He said, football is 40 young men running around on a football field desperately in need of

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rest, being washed by 40,000 people up in the stands, desperately in need of exercise.

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And that stuck with me.

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And so years later, as I grew and I came to Christ, you know, we have different definitions.

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What's a Christian?

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Well, in a way, that quote makes me think of what is a Christian?

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Am I a Christian that's in the stands or am I a Christian that's in the game?

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And when you think about the church, I think that whether people agree or disagree, this

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is what I see, you know.

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And I think even in revelations, when you look at, describes the church in revelations,

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I don't want to be the church of Leo to see it, for example.

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I don't want to have lost my first love.

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And I think sometimes today as Christians, we've lost our first love.

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As Jesus said, we're to be salt, we're to be light.

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And it's very scary because he says, you know, salt, if it's lost its flavor, it's good

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for nothing and it'll be thrown away.

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I don't think Jesus cracked jokes.

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I mean, I'm sure he did.

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But I don't think that's, yeah.

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And so those are things that when I read them, they're eye-opening statements and it makes

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you, so get it back to the game.

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It makes me think, okay, John, are you in the stands?

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Are you in the game?

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And if I'm in the game, if I'm in the game from a Christian standpoint, then what does

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that look like on a daily basis?

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What is my life like?

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And so for example, I train to play football.

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Do I train as a Christian?

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And so what is it that I need to do to grow as a Christian, to become more walking closer

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to the Lord as I would do that to grow as a football player, you know, or as an athlete?

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It's interesting that, you know, Jesus calls us to not be in the stands either.

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You know, if you look at the Great Commission, he says, go and make disciples of all nations.

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He doesn't say, hey, guys, I want to attract people to you and you guys just sit here and

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be comfortable and greet one another and love one another.

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And I believe that church is wonderful for fellowship, for worship, for a leaning and

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a support system.

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But there needs to be an action word to go with it, a go, and to serve him in a capacity

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other than sitting and waiting.

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And I agree with you all heartedly on that.

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You know what, to me, I'm Vietnam era.

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And I had our quarterback in high school was killed in Vietnam.

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And at his funeral, the pastor said, Benny Cole died for us.

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And I'm like, wait a minute, this pastor has been saying Jesus died for us.

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And I couldn't give you the difference.

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I couldn't have defined that.

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And a few months later, Johnny Tagman, another one of my teammates, was killed in Vietnam.

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And it was a different pastor this time.

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But sure enough, he said, Benny died for us.

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And so I'm thinking, OK, I really got to understand.

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I really got to investigate and see what this means.

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And then for me, that's what brought me to the Lord to understand that I'm a sinner and

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the penalty for sin is not eternal life, but the penalty for sin is death, because God

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is perfect and holy, holy, holy.

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And Jesus, there's a big word, propitiation.

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That is a big word.

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I thought you said you weren't smart.

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But yeah, but I had to understand, I had to study this.

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What is propitiation?

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It's what God is.

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The God that says, I am holy and the penalty for sin is death now pays that penalty.

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And he did it through his son.

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I have three sons.

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You can look at me and you can pretty much tell if I'm happy or sad based on how my sons

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If my sons are doing well, I'm a happy guy.

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It doesn't matter what happened to me.

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And so when I think about God in heaven watching his son being killed, crucified on a cross,

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and one of the verses I... For something he didn't even do?

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For something he didn't even do.

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And one of the verses I will... I probably come to him a little bit, but this is maybe

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a good time to bring it up.

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In Romans 12, 1, it says, I urge you by the mercies of God to offer your body as a living

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sacrifice, as Christ offered his body as a crucified sacrifice.

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And so a sacrifice, if I go back to the Levitical laws, is without blemish.

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Christ was without blemish.

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So what am I offering to the Lord?

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And as I look at this, I'm not called to be without blemish and perfect, but I'm called

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the word that it uses in Thessalonians is teleos, to be all that you can be.

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And I'm not trying to be a scholar, but I want to understand this, to be all that you

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And I think about it, there was a time when you talked about football, there was a time

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I could squat 700... My best squat was 710 pounds.

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And I did a 535 pound bench press.

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That's like three of me, just to put it in perspective.

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But so I can't do that anymore.

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But you can still do.

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But you're called to be what you can be.

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And so as Christians, as believers, do we, with every head bell and every eye closed,

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do we slip up our hand and know that we're saved and we're going to have it?

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Or do we say, okay, I'm going to listen to James and he said, you show me your faith

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without your works and I'll show you my faith with my works.

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And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I'm saved by works.

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I'm saying that, but he says, faith without works is useless.

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There's no life, there's no soul.

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Because there's no evidence of that faith if you're not acting out in it.

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So I guess what I've come to, because you don't just walk on the football field and

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play a game, you've got to train.

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You've got to train.

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Hard.

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You train hard.

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You train with everything.

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I am so close to my training partners, Larry Brown, for example.

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And that's one of the things I see kind of getting off the thing here, but I think it'll

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That's one of the things I see with our veterans, that they have trained, they've been in combat

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and then all of a sudden they're done.

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The suicide rate for former NFL players is 10 times the national average if you read Tony

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Lynch's book.

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Well, why is that?

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I think it's very similar to the fact that somewhere between 20 and 40 veterans in the

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United States take their own life every day.

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So what's the common denominator, I think, between football players and veterans?

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I think they have trained hard.

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They've been in a, they've had a purpose.

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They've had a mission.

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All of a sudden it's gone and they don't.

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And I had a coach used to say, you look like a blind dog in a meat house.

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So can you imagine a blind dog just sniffing me?

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You know, just sniffing around?

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You know, you're lost.

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You're bumping into things and we've lost that direction.

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So how do we find it?

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You know, and this is, with every head bowed and every eye closed, we slip up our hands

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and call ourselves a Christian.

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I think we need to open our eyes.

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You know, we've closed our eyes, slipped up our hand.

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Now open your eyes and let's get to work.

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Get on the battlefield.

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Get in the game.

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Get in the game.

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Yeah.

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It's more than just expressing a desire.

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You have to believe in your heart that this is what you want and you have to pursue a relationship.

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And you know, you mentioned training.

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You only train if you want to win, right?

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If you're kids and you're just playing a game, you don't care.

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There's no training involved.

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You just throw a ball back and forth because you don't care.

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So if you say you care about this, then you absolutely should train because you absolutely

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want to win.

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And you want to win souls for the kingdom.

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You want to win hearts.

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You want to win minds.

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You want to win everything you can get.

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You want to win glory for the father, right?

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You mentioned before, you know, be strong and courageous.

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The rock, the kazakh, you know, the spiritual war cry.

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And this is what we need to do is tighten up our knuckles and get into the fight.

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But with the purpose of winning and we can't possibly hope to if we haven't trained.

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And if we don't know the word, we haven't trained.

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If we don't know the hearts of men, we haven't trained.

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If we're not physically fit, how am I going to go and go that extra mile for somebody

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if I can't stand up on my own?

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And I, you know, I really love the message that you're going to bring with us today.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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That's well said.

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You know, there's one place in the Bible that it, I think most Americans would tell

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you God makes a mistake.

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And Paul writes it in Corinthians because in America we say it doesn't matter whether

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you win or lose.

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It's how you play the game.

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You were just talking about that.

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And that's what made me think of it.

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But the Bible doesn't say that.

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It says, don't you know that all those people running a race, they all run.

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And then it says, but only one person wins.

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And then it should say we should make a correction here for the Bible.

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Should say, doesn't matter whether you win or lose, but it doesn't say that until God

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changes his mind.

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We need to run to win.

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And it uses the Greek word and I'm not a scholar.

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I originally, my first Bible was in King James and I couldn't understand.

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I mean, these and the, okay.

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It's a tough one.

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Yeah.

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But I have a Bible now.

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I love it.

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It's a new American standard.

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It's a new language.

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It's a new language.

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And I can look up those numbers over the words and I can look up those numbers and I can

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see what the Greek word was.

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And where it says, don't you know that all those people running a race, only one person

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wins.

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And it says they, and the Greek word is spelled A-G-O-N-I-Z-O-M-A-I.

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So if we want to make something Greek, we just take a regular word and put O-M-A-I

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on it.

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So he's given us, how hard do we go?

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Well, to our agonizing.

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I think the reason the Pittsburgh Steelers over the years have been so popular in Pittsburgh,

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but also other places is because traditionally they're a team, a blue collar team in a blue

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collar town that's going to go out and give everything they have.

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We used to make fun of the Dallas Cowboys and their cheerleaders.

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Can you imagine, Pittsburgh Steelers would never, I mean, it's about, we're about playing

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football.

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We're about running down on kickoffs.

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We're about intercepting passes.

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We're about making tackles.

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We are not about cheerleaders and little white boots.

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No.

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Not about the showmanship.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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You get down to business.

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You get down to business.

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Yeah.

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So that's where I was a while ago.

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I was a little bit more focused on, I guess, do I want to be in the stands or do I want

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to be in the game?

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And if I want to be in the game, then I think you can still follow that same outline.

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I've got to prepare, you know, and then I prepare.

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So what are some of the things that we may prepare?

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I think over and over again, also the Bible, it's interesting that, you know, Moses is

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told by God three times to be strong and courageous.

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And when God says something three times, you know, he means it.

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And then when Moses hands over the reins to Joshua, he tells Joshua three times to be

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strong and courageous.

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So I think if I'm going to, if I'm going to take this seriously, I've got to start

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off, you know, again, we can use the football analogy, running down on the kickoff.

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You know, you're one guy running down there, but you got one guy with the football and

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10 other guys are trying to block you.

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And you don't know which one it is because they're crisscrossing and stuff.

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So most games that people watch in America, I guess golf's a little different.

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I haven't figured that game out, but most people watch.

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There's a kickoff kind of element in it.

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And with that in mind, one of my most, I don't know what the word is, but my, the verse,

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when I think of Jesus, it talks about Luke 9.51.

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It says, Jesus resolutely set his face to go to Jerusalem.

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That to me is a statement that asks a question.

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If Jesus resolutely set his face to go to Jerusalem, that's the statement.

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What's the question?

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Well, the question to me is, John, where's your face set?

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And it says in the Old Testament, I love this one.

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In fact, I passed repeat and I had a discussion on this one time.

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It says in Isaiah 50 verse seven, it says, therefore I have set my face like flint.

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Set my face like flint, therefore I shall not be ashamed.

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And so over and over again, I can, in the Bible, it says different places.

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Don't turn to the right or to the left.

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You sit, you know, you're setting your face straight.

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So to me, if I am, if I'm serious about my faith, if I'm serious about growing, then

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I don't want to be distracted.

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And there's so many ways today to be distracted.

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For sure.

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For sure.

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And I don't even need to go into those.

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But I can set, I need to set my face like flint.

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And what am I setting my face on?

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The Lord Jesus Christ.

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And what is he, what is his plan for my life?

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I can't be looking around like the blind dog in the meat house.

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I've got to be setting my face.

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Every day Lord show me and not looking around the direction.

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So you mentioned earlier adventures in training and you help veterans, predominantly, but

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not just veterans, obviously.

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Did you start with the will to help veterans?

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And if so, is it stemmed from growing up with some of your football teammates having died

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in Vietnam?

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Is that where your heart, like, you know, you give your heart to Jesus, but then something

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else is laid on your heart that, hey, these guys really went through a traumatic experience.

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And I know that Jesus can help because he's helped me.

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Yes.

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You know, I could, yeah, all of that.

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I mentioned about the veterans taking their own life and the football players.

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Tony Dungey was a teammate.

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Tony Dungey was also a roommate of mine.

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And so he went on from playing to coaching and he won a Super Bowl as a coach, which

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is pretty cool to play in a Super Bowl and coach a Super Bowl.

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And he's the one that talks about in his book that the suicide rate for former NFL players

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is 10 times the national average.

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And so I guess to try to pin that around, one of the things that actually literally

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makes me angry and I don't know how to, other than through Christ, but I worked in orthopedic

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offices.

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And anybody here needs their hip replaced or their knee replaced, I can do it.

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I've seen enough of them.

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Okay.

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And you know, and I'll save you a lot of money.

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But what I saw happening and what got me to where we're at is that we would do a knee

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replacement or a hip replacement.

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And 12 weeks later, the insurance company, their insurance would say, okay, you're done.

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And so they would quit treating the doctor would say, okay, you're done.

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And I would go because I'm working with this lady and I'd go into the office and say, but

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she can't get off a toilet seat.

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We did a hip replacement.

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We're supposed to help her and she can't get off a toilet seat.

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She can't go downstairs.

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So how did we help her?

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Well, insurance says she's done.

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She can bend her knee 115 degrees.

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So she's done.

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But the word that we use usually is the word functional.

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So you measure 115 degrees.

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Okay.

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So that's a number.

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But if you can't get off a toilet seat and you can't go downstairs, you're essentially

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a prisoner in your own house.

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You're not functional.

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You're not functional.

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And so I saw that repeatedly over and over again.

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And particularly as people got older.

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And so we started this nonprofit is called Adventures in Training with a Purpose.

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And I love those words.

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Adventure means I don't know how it's going to turn out.

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It's definitely an adventure with God.

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It's definitely an adventure with God.

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We have to raise funds for this.

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And it's tough.

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And somebody said the other day, man, you need a really big donor so that you don't have

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to work on raising funds.

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And I went, yeah, no, no, because we did have a big donor for a little while.

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And you know how much I prayed when I had that big donor?

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I didn't need to pray because I had his check coming in.

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But then when that stopped, man, I pray constantly.

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Yeah, we're your Lord, man.

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If you don't come through, we're in trouble.

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So I pray constantly.

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So the people that we work with started out mostly with physical problems that their insurance

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had was done.

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And yet they needed to be functional.

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They needed, you want to have a life.

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You want to be able to walk.

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You need to be able to climb stairs, ride a bicycle.

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My sons are all into kayaking and rock climbing.

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You need to be able to do those things.

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And if you can't, then your life is limited.

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So adventure means I don't know how it's going to turn out.

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Training, sometimes people will say to me, are you a therapist?

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And I go, no.

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And I didn't go to Pittsburgh Steel or Therapy Camp.

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We went to training camp.

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And after my first year in Rocky Blire was shot, and I was in, put me in the Army National

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Guard, I didn't go to basic therapy camp at Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

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We went to basic training.

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And then we shot how it serves.

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That wasn't therapy.

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So what we need to do from either a physical standpoint or a spiritual standpoint, we

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need to make that connection that we're constantly having.

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We need to be training.

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We need to be training and growing.

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So adventure is in training with a purpose.

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And that's where I was going with the military a while ago, because why do the veterans take

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their own life?

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They're on a mission.

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And then the next thing, they're home, and they don't have that mission, and they don't

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have that group of men around them.

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They're by themselves.

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They're isolated.

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Why is it the suicide rate for former NFL players is 10 times the national average?

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Because you've got a game.

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You've got a group of men.

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You're on a mission.

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You want to win a Super Bowl.

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You're getting ready for training camp.

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You're training for training camp.

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You've got those men around you, and then all of a sudden, you don't.

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And you don't know how to deal with that.

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And so you've lost that purpose.

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So our program is called Adventures in Training with a Purpose.

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And it started out with military.

481
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So we have people that are not military.

482
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,560
Right now, I think I have six people that are amputees.

483
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,520
We have people that are paralyzed.

484
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,240
A lot of our people, most of them have what you call chronic conditions.

485
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,160
And the chronic condition means it's not getting better anytime soon.

486
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,280
And so if you're an amputee, how do you go downstairs?

487
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,240
How do you get upstairs?

488
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,080
How do you get around in weather like this?

489
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,240
And so we're working with people to help them climb stairs.

490
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:51,520
But the most amazing, coolest part to me is, I think, the verse I said a while ago in Romans,

491
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,280
I urge you, brothers, by the mercies of God to offer your body as a living sacrifice.

492
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:02,640
And don't be conformed, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

493
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,040
That is a biblical statement. Acts 17-28 says,

494
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,640
And now may the God of peace himself sanctify, sit you apart, may your spirit and your mind

495
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,840
and your body be teleos, all that they can be.

496
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,800
So he's talking about three parts, our spirit, our mind, and our body there, and that they

497
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,360
work together.

498
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:31,360
I have exercise, science, kinesiology, college textbooks that say things like neurogenesis

499
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,360
is the hottest topic in neuroscience today.

500
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,240
And I understand you're having a neuroscience case, so maybe you want to talk about that.

501
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,920
But neurogenesis is something we didn't even know about.

502
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,640
You know who knew about it?

503
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,840
Dr. Liu knew about it 2,000 years ago.

504
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,680
But we just discovered it about seven years ago.

505
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:58,840
And neurogenesis is the creation in our brains of new neurons.

506
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,640
How does that happen through movement?

507
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,080
I hope I connected those thoughts together.

508
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,360
You talk about the Shamad, the love of the Lord your God with all your heart, with all

509
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,320
your soul, with all your strength, with all your might.

510
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:17,600
And so, obviously we've discussed your heart, your feelings, your indomitable will towards

511
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,800
God, hopefully your indomitable will towards God, your soul, which gives your flesh the

512
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,800
life.

513
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,880
So if your soul leaves you, your body is just done.

514
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:33,360
And so your training camp seems, it's focusing on the strength aspect of the loving of the

515
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,200
Lord with everything.

516
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,480
And do you think that there's an application that we can use that it doesn't necessarily

517
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,240
have to be adventures and training with a purpose, but it could be for everyday Christians

518
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,600
that go to church to help them practice their strength because this is something Jesus told

519
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,600
us to do.

520
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,240
This is like a quasi-commandment from Jesus.

521
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,120
If I'm going to love the Lord my God, here's how he's breaking it down in this little outline

522
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,400
that he's doing this, that this is how you do it.

523
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,960
How would a guy like me learn to use strength to serve the kingdom?

524
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,080
How would strength, how does that tie into it?

525
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,480
Can you share on that?

526
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,720
That's a great question.

527
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,120
And first off, I think you nailed it.

528
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,920
I don't think God says this is multiple choice.

529
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,080
Okay, love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

530
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,640
Okay, let me take heart for 25, soul for 25.

531
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,120
You know, no.

532
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,480
He said all of those, and I think that's what you were saying a while ago.

533
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:43,720
And so to try to answer your question, so how do I love the Lord with all my strength is

534
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,760
I have to look at, well, how did I love the Lord with all my heart?

535
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,760
Okay.

536
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:55,040
So spiritually, there are things like Bible study, fellowship with other believers,

537
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,600
going to church, worshiping, prayer, all of those things.

538
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,680
If I want to grow in the Lord, I want to put those into my life.

539
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,080
So then how do I do this strength part?

540
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,520
So I think that's what your question was.

541
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,440
And God made us, and it's really neat physically, He made us in three dimensions.

542
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,440
Okay.

543
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:24,200
So one of them is what, we have three energy systems.

544
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,040
We have, I call it just a walking energy system.

545
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,000
It's called aerobic.

546
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,720
You know, and my wife confuses this.

547
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,120
She thinks aerobic means she puts her leotards on, and she goes out with her friends, and

548
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,920
they put some music on, and they dance around to the music.

549
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,680
Well, that is aerobic, but you don't have to have the leotards on.

550
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,560
So if I'm taking a walk.

551
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,560
Thank goodness.

552
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Yeah.

553
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,960
So if I'm taking a walk, that's aerobic work.

554
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,840
If I'm riding my bicycle, that is aerobic.

555
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,040
And it, it strengthens my heart and lungs.

556
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,120
That's the fact.

557
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,560
But there's also various biomarkers.

558
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:15,040
One of them is called atrial naturitic peptide, atrial naturitic peptide.

559
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,080
So atrial would suggest it's produced in the heart.

560
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,520
And when you take a walk and you're, are riding your bike, then your body starts producing

561
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,280
this A and P atrial naturitic peptide.

562
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,680
And when it circulates in the blood and it hits your brain, your brain produces a substance

563
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,640
called dopamine and serotonin.

564
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,960
That stuff makes me happy.

565
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,960
Yeah.

566
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,200
So what is dopamine and serotonin?

567
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,120
That's your feel good hormones.

568
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,040
So somebody says, oh, I went for a walk.

569
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,040
I came back.

570
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,360
I feel so good.

571
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:54,800
Yes, you actually do feel good because you were, your heart was beating.

572
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,760
You were actually producing that biomarker.

573
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,520
I just think that's so cool.

574
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:05,440
But then there's other ones and they work, a lot of them work on what we call sensory

575
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,640
integration.

576
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,520
So what's sensory integration?

577
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,440
Well, what are our senses?

578
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,240
What's the sense?

579
00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:19,080
Is the sense hearing is a sense touch feel is a sense.

580
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:27,480
So when I am combining all of those senses, that triggers other biomarkers and they have

581
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:34,480
funny names like vascular endothelial growth factor, fiber blast growth factor one and

582
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,480
two.

583
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,600
And there's a whole bunch of them.

584
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:45,920
And so, but they are created, our body produces those when we're active and we're doing sensory

585
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,880
integration type of activities.

586
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:57,480
Like in our, in our facility, we have a little climbing wall and it's kind of horizontal.

587
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,560
And I have on the rocks on the wall, some of them are red, some of them are white, some

588
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,880
of them are different colors.

589
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,680
And so you've got to climb from one area to the next.

590
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:17,720
And if you want to, I mean, you don't even need to get over two feet high, a foot high.

591
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,880
But you've got to kind of reverse engineer the climb.

592
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,760
You've got to look and say, okay, if I got on this third white rock, if I've got my right

593
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,320
hand on that rock, then I got to reach over with my left hand.

594
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:36,080
I won't be able to get the next step, so I got a reverse climb it to think it through.

595
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,720
How am I going to get there?

596
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:44,840
It's a physical strength part, but it's also kind of a reverse engineering mental part.

597
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,760
One of the saddest things that's happened to me in the last three years is losing a

598
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,640
teammate, Tonshilkan, to ALS.

599
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,960
And that's a nasty disease.

600
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,200
That's a nasty disease.

601
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,200
But guess what?

602
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:04,480
Ten days, ten days before he died, he was still climbing that wall.

603
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,960
So I don't want to hear somebody say, oh, I can't do that because I'll come, I'll get

604
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,960
my club out because that's not a, no, ten days.

605
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:21,120
I mean, that was part of, he kept trying to train to the very end and he was having, he

606
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,480
was really struggling cognitively with stuff.

607
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,960
And this was part of the training, trying to figure out where to put his hand.

608
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,000
So sensory integration is that kind of thing.

609
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,960
Craig Wolfley's wife, Craig Wolfley played guard for the Steelers next to me.

610
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,280
I played tackle.

611
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,320
His wife teaches boxing combinations.

612
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:49,800
Now we're not out there beating each other up, but she has light of life mission.

613
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,760
Men come one day, the women come the next.

614
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,440
Light of life is a great organization.

615
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,520
They help people that are struggling with various addictions and they come in and they

616
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,720
do the training and sensory integration.

617
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:10,840
So Fay teaches these boxing combinations and what you're actually doing, she's got these

618
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:18,680
focus mitts on, she holds them up and you, there's various punches that you have to use

619
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,720
to hit the mitt.

620
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:23,040
And so it's a sensory integration kind of thing.

621
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,040
Sounds like a blast.

622
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,040
It is.

623
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,040
That we really have fun.

624
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,040
Yeah.

625
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,920
And we do stuff, then you can do it with music and she'll do steps with music and stuff with

626
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,440
it.

627
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,880
If you really want to have fun, come watch me try it because I'm not, it's like my feet

628
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,280
don't, but those are all sensory integration.

629
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,920
So what are you using?

630
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,200
You're using your ears because you hear the beat of the music.

631
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:55,360
You've got to plan and see where the focus mitt are and then you've got to, with your

632
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,760
arms and with your feet, you've got to be able to have everything in the right place

633
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,760
to make those connections.

634
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,040
It makes a difference.

635
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,720
And it's, there's tons of research.

636
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:14,280
If your listeners are interested, Google eight adventures in training with the purpose and

637
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,160
you'll, you can see more about it.

638
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:23,240
But that is really, to me, an awesome thing because what do we want to do today when we

639
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,560
struggle will give me a pill to fix this?

640
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:33,720
Well, a lot of our struggles can be fixed and improved if we start moving.

641
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:35,200
I hardly believe that.

642
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,200
Yeah.

643
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,080
Movement and the right nutrition.

644
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,080
There doctors aren't trying and I'm not trying to throw shade at doctors, but doctors aren't

645
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,280
trying actively to heal patients.

646
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:53,920
They're trying to band aid over symptoms and so that you can feel better, but feeling better

647
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,600
doesn't necessarily get rid of the problem.

648
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,800
And so I could take something to take away the pain from a cut, but it doesn't mean my

649
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,040
cuts healed.

650
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:06,080
And so it's better, I think, to have a little bit of pain because that's your body's natural

651
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,120
response to say, don't do that and then work through that pain until that pain gets less

652
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,720
and less and less.

653
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,800
And I work as an EMT.

654
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,160
I work in a...

655
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,680
Well, that's right down your head.

656
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,680
You know what I'm talking about.

657
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,680
You ought to be doing...

658
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,680
You ought to be...

659
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,120
Yeah, you ought to be teaching this.

660
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,120
Yeah.

661
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:32,040
I have done many a lift assist for a 60-year-old person that can't get off the floor at 60.

662
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,200
And I've done others where I've had a 104-year-old lady that finally fell and broke her hip

663
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,940
and didn't want to go to the hospital, right?

664
00:39:39,940 --> 00:39:46,440
Because she was active for 104 years and because she kept moving, she could keep moving.

665
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,240
And the 60-year-old, because they didn't keep moving, they couldn't keep moving.

666
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:56,560
And I can't stress enough how emphatic I am in what you're saying and the belief system

667
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,320
I have with what you're saying that it is real.

668
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,440
Being mobile will last you your life.

669
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,640
And if you're immobile, that will also last you your life, which will be shorter.

670
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,840
And by stretching, by moving, by doing things...

671
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,280
I didn't know about the endorphins that get released and such when you go for a nice walk.

672
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,400
That's nice because that's a motivator, right?

673
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,400
So who wants to do this?

674
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,280
Well, if you knew that you were going to be happy because you did it, right?

675
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,000
You may not be happy in the process, you know?

676
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,080
But I think once you get halfway through and your blood starts pumping, you'll get happier.

677
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,880
And then when you're done, I was in the military as well.

678
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,360
And I remember doing a two-mile run and just being feeling great at the end.

679
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,040
You had that like that runner's high, they called it.

680
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,880
And you know, it explains a lot when you say that, hey, you're serotonin, you're dopamine,

681
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,000
it's like firing and like a brain is rewarding me for this exertion.

682
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,640
It says thank you.

683
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,800
Yes, it's thanking you because your mind is a part of your body, right?

684
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,800
And so because your mind is a part of your body, it does reward you for giving it the

685
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,080
physical activity that it needs to get the blood flow with the oxygen and everything

686
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,680
it needs to continue to grow and expand and fire off the synapses we're supposed to be

687
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,920
in order to regrow neurons, to remap places that are damaged from other things.

688
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,960
I think that's such an incredible concept as well that we're just not coming back around

689
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,000
full circle to this neuro-regrowth, right?

690
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Neurogenesis and what a concept.

691
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,080
Say, hey, look, I'm paralyzed from the waist down and so I'm practicing certain things

692
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:36,120
and I'm training my brain to take a different route to these spots instead of the spot that's

693
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,560
not working from.

694
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,360
And all of a sudden people are seeing results.

695
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,800
Yeah, that's a wonderful thing.

696
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,200
And it just shows just how impressive God was when he made us that.

697
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,680
Yeah, these bodies are pretty frail compared to the hard things in the world that we created

698
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,200
in it, like cars and bullets and things.

699
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,320
And our bodies are very frail compared to those things.

700
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:01,240
But God still made a way for these bodies to be such supreme machines, right?

701
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:02,680
Well, that just blows my mind.

702
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:09,040
Another thing I just thought of it, you mentioned like these three things, the heart, the soul

703
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,960
and the body as being like these three things.

704
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,680
And I could think like, what else is these three things?

705
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,200
Well, there's God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

706
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,960
And they almost tie directly to these same three things.

707
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,880
Because almost when he says, hey, I built you in my image, I created you in my image,

708
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,000
this is a huge piece of what he's talking about.

709
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,040
He doesn't mean that God is walking around looking like me, right?

710
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Or a guy with a beard and the white robes and the cool hair and the fiery eyes.

711
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,920
And God is this being that is beyond comprehension, right?

712
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,120
Which is kind of like a soul, something that's beyond comprehension.

713
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,240
And then you have Jesus, who is the body, right?

714
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,040
Jesus, physical aspiration of God so that we can actually put a tangible look that we

715
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,480
can touch, taste, feel, hug, feel the love come from.

716
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,120
Jesus is this physical manifestation of God, right?

717
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,240
And then you have like the heart, which is the Holy Spirit.

718
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,040
You know, this is something that helps run everything.

719
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,440
And I think that's such a wonderful correlation.

720
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,880
I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner.

721
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,080
Between the Shema and God himself.

722
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,600
And you know, we like to call it the Trinity and you know, these other buzzwords that aren't

723
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,400
in the Bible, but we have to make something to make sense for us.

724
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,240
But the fact is the fact that God is a triplet and so are we.

725
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,240
Right.

726
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,240
Yeah, it is neat.

727
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,920
And you mentioned what you were talking about a while ago.

728
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:40,800
Neurogenesis is our body actually creates new neurons, neuroplasticity.

729
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,160
You mentioned that you didn't use the word neuroplasticity, but that's where something

730
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,880
happened neurologically at the bridges out.

731
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,720
We're going down the road, the bridges out.

732
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,960
Oops, can't go down this way.

733
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,240
Neuroplasticity is that neuron finds another way around.

734
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:59,240
How does it happen?

735
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,880
It does not happen sitting still.

736
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:07,640
It happens through movement and that movement with the sensory integration, as you were

737
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:15,120
talking about using the sound that you might be moving to a rhythm, using the sight.

738
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,440
That I might be with like face, buck, seen hitting, focus, myths.

739
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,440
I'm so excited.

740
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,640
I fell off my mountain mountain bike three weeks ago twice.

741
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,120
I got one of those fat tired mountain bikes and why would you be excited about that?

742
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:34,360
Well, because at my age, most people probably aren't riding mountain bikes.

743
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,720
Or getting back up after they fall.

744
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:44,560
Yeah, yeah, but I did and I only got about 50 yards to fell off again.

745
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:50,800
There's one particular place that's pretty steep and I still struggle getting up and

746
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:51,800
down that.

747
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:58,080
But those are the challenges when you're doing something that requires balance.

748
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,400
It requires strength.

749
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Requires sensory integration.

750
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:09,880
Listen to a sound as a rhythm, a vision, moving targets.

751
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,120
All those things keep us healthy and grow us.

752
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:22,440
The thing that I don't understand is if God is real, one of the hardest things for me

753
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,280
to learn to pray and prayers.

754
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:32,400
Another one is Paul writes that I might know him and the power of his resurrection.

755
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,120
Okay, let me back up.

756
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,720
Paul writes that I might know him.

757
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:38,720
Check.

758
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:39,720
I'll take that one.

759
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:40,720
Yep.

760
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,360
I want to know him and the power of his resurrection.

761
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,360
You betcha.

762
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,880
And when I die, I'm heaven bound.

763
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:47,880
Yep.

764
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,200
And then the third one is, we talk about threes and the fellowship of his suffering.

765
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,120
Oh, does that one come with it?

766
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:02,640
So being conformed to his image, it goes on to say, and conform to his death.

767
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,680
And I used to try to pray that.

768
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,600
Okay, Lord, Paul writes, whatever things were gained to me, those things I have counted

769
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,960
as loss, more than that, I count all things to be lost and feel the surpassing value of

770
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,160
knowing Christ Jesus, my Lord.

771
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,840
And then he says, for whom I have lost all things.

772
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:28,400
Paul, he was a Pharisee of the Pharisees, all that stuff, and he lost it all.

773
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,400
And I thought, man, that's an awesome prayer.

774
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,040
And I couldn't pray that prayer.

775
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,680
And I'm talking about months and months and months, just struggling with this, to come

776
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:45,000
to the point that I could say, okay, Lord, sure, take it.

777
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,560
Am I required to say that, to be a Christian?

778
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:49,560
No.

779
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,760
But am I required to say that that I might know him?

780
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,920
And what's that word, no?

781
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:04,040
I mean, well, it's the same word that it says Abraham knew Sarah.

782
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,040
And then intimately.

783
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,520
Intimately, yeah.

784
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,320
He didn't walk in the tent and say, oh, hi, Abraham.

785
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,320
Hi, sir.

786
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,640
This is Abraham here.

787
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,640
No, he knew her intimately.

788
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,640
Yeah.

789
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,560
Do you really want to know God intimately?

790
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,840
Then you've got to do all of it.

791
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:21,840
Well, I agree.

792
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,960
I've been telling lots of people, many times when I share with about Jesus that he wants

793
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,160
an intimate relationship with Jesus.

794
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,400
And that's why we pray things.

795
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,720
That's why we confess things to him.

796
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:33,040
That's why we tell him what's on our heart.

797
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,600
Because he knows, so why do we tell him?

798
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,160
Because what we're doing is we're saying that I feel trusting enough with you, that I feel

799
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,680
safe enough with you, that I love you enough to let you know from me personally what's

800
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,840
going on.

801
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,720
And that is an intimate conversation.

802
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,560
And that's what he wants to hear from us.

803
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,000
Of course, he already knows.

804
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,120
He knew before he created you that you were going to do this at a certain point.

805
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,800
He knew that you were going to stumble.

806
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,960
So when you come to him, you're saying that I want to open up an intimate dialogue with

807
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:08,360
you by trusting you with my heart, by telling you that I have not been faithful with yours.

808
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,080
And this is a really good place to be for that.

809
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:16,680
And I really like how you are so focused with your ministry, with the adventures and training

810
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,000
with a purpose on strengthening people.

811
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,480
It comes, the mind and the soul is entwined with it, but mostly it's the strength of the

812
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,880
body that you're working on with this rehabilitation.

813
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,360
And I think it's just so funny that God oftentimes, not every time, but oftentimes plays to our

814
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,760
strengths.

815
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:42,120
And you're a dairy farming lineman for a professional football team that was at one point, were

816
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,560
the strongest man in the NFL?

817
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,360
Well, they had a, yeah.

818
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,360
Well, we did.

819
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,360
They had three or four years.

820
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:55,160
They had, it was pretty cool because Terry Bradshaw gets to throw touchdown passes.

821
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,760
Stallworth gets to catch him, Franco gets to run 4,000 yards.

822
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,400
What's the lineman do?

823
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,600
Well, you get the pass block.

824
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,600
You get to run block.

825
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,280
You get flat noses.

826
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,280
Okay?

827
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:17,800
And so they would have these, while the last few years I was playing, these World Strongmen,

828
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,360
or yeah, they had that one too, but they had the NFL Strongman contest.

829
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:26,520
And it was fun to compete in that because you kind of got to step up a little bit if

830
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,520
you could.

831
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,960
And again, it's just so neat how God said, so you're a strong guy, huh?

832
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,960
Right?

833
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,200
And you're a dairy farmer, which means you're built different than a city kid every day.

834
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,200
Right?

835
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,960
And then you're an alignment for football where these people aren't small people.

836
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,960
Right?

837
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,240
You're pushing people into the dirt that are bigger than me.

838
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,400
And some of them you do with these and some of them it's a struggle.

839
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,400
Right?

840
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,520
Some of them might push you down.

841
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,520
Right?

842
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,840
But God put on your heart this strength.

843
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,440
And I don't know if you're aware of the correlation to it, but I just think it's so great how

844
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,840
you're answering the call, the gifts he's given you from birth, from the life that he

845
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,560
has laid out before you that you've said yes to, to the ministry that he's called before

846
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,520
you, that you've also said yes to, all correlates to the same strength of which he's blessed

847
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:15,520
you with.

848
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,960
And I think that's just tremendous.

849
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:17,960
I really love.

850
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,560
I love your heart behind it.

851
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,480
I love your enthusiasm for it.

852
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,680
I love your knowledge about it.

853
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,000
And now you kept, you know, you started off with, I'm not a real smart guy.

854
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,040
It's like you're, you're a lot smarter than I thought a dairy farming lineman would be.

855
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,160
I'm gonna be honest with you.

856
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,280
And so it's, you're, you're a very impressive person and I don't watch football.

857
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,480
I don't, I don't know a lot of it.

858
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,960
So when, when you first came here with Pastor Pete on that men's breakfast, he's like,

859
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,880
John Colbert, I don't know who that is.

860
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,880
Right?

861
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,880
That's great.

862
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,680
I mean, I've heard of, I've heard of Tunchilkin.

863
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:54,200
I've heard of, you know, Franco Harris, but Bradshaw, you know, I don't know anybody else.

864
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,840
Like I was a bears fan growing up because I did, I grew up in Vegas.

865
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,640
We didn't have a team then.

866
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,520
And I just picked at random and I was a front runner at four and the bears were doing pretty

867
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:04,520
good when I was four.

868
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,440
And, you know, you had Mike Singletary and you had the sweetness Walter Peyton.

869
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,600
I was like, these guys are great.

870
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,600
I love these guys.

871
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,600
I knew nothing about any other team.

872
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,960
And so I, my limit of football is very limited.

873
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:24,240
So the fact that you are a four time winning Super Bowl champion means so little to me

874
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:28,160
in, in, in respect to what you're doing for God's kingdom.

875
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,160
Right?

876
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,040
I am so impressed with you for what you're doing for him.

877
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,800
I am so impressed with you for your heart for him.

878
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,520
I'm so impressed with you and I'm, I'm proud of you for the work that you're doing because

879
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,800
I know it isn't always easy.

880
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,480
In fact, I know it's downright hard to serve him in a lot of instances and I think you

881
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,400
were just a tremendously amazing person because of it.

882
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,920
I don't want to discount what you've done for the Steelers.

883
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,040
I'm just saying that that part of your life doesn't matter to me as much as what you're

884
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,360
doing for the kingdom matters to me.

885
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,440
And I think that you are, I think you're just a tremendous human being.

886
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,960
You've got a heart for God.

887
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:05,960
You're smart.

888
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:06,960
You're well thought out.

889
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,720
You're physically fit for your age.

890
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:11,920
You're probably more physically fit than I am.

891
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,920
Right?

892
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,840
I'm, I'm but like a linebacker for the cheesecake factory.

893
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:22,280
You know, you, you are just an impressive man of God and a mighty man of God and we

894
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,200
don't have enough of those.

895
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:29,800
And so I really appreciate what you do for the kingdom and I appreciate your amats, your

896
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:35,880
spiritual headlong into what God has called you to do without regard of what safety, whatever,

897
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:42,600
knowing that God has your back and I wish that more people would follow your lead that

898
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:47,160
you could through this podcast, through your ministry, that more people would take this

899
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:53,640
as a coaching element so that they would also do exactly what you do and follow God with

900
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,720
the spiritual hoodspot, you know, this rock kazakh, this, this be strong and courageous,

901
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:02,240
this I don't, I'm not afraid of failure because my God will carry me.

902
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:03,240
Exactly.

903
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:04,240
Yeah.

904
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:05,240
I'm just so impressed by you.

905
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:13,120
There is a judgment, you know, we've been judged when we, but when Revelations talks

906
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:18,920
about when we come to him, you know, and I don't even know if that's, but that shouldn't

907
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:29,080
be, that shouldn't be the reason that were to me that we want to, you know, you play

908
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,400
a football game, you want to play well.

909
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,800
You mentioned the while ago playing.

910
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:43,440
I played 26 women, no, 29 football games against Alvin Batea, the Houston Oilers, 13 years,

911
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,520
twice a year, that's 26 and then three times in the playoffs.

912
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:54,000
Man, those were physical games and you just didn't want to win.

913
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,160
You wanted to make it hurt.

914
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,480
You don't want to hurt somebody, but you want to make it hurt.

915
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,680
If that makes you want them to look forward the next time they see you.

916
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,640
And so you're giving everything that you've got.

917
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:13,280
And so to me, the analogy is, do I do this because of what I mentioned a while ago, because

918
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:19,080
there is going to be a judgment and Jesus is going to ask, what did you do with what

919
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,680
I have given you?

920
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,960
Because the Bible talks about we've all been given gifts.

921
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,080
What did you do with those gifts?

922
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,720
Did I do it because of that?

923
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:32,240
Or did I do it because I love you, Lord?

924
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:37,800
And I'm not going to try and sing here for people, but there's a song, I love you, Lord.

925
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:48,120
Because you just love Jesus that He would, because nobody here, nobody in the world knows

926
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,080
my heart.

927
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,880
Man, it is just like the Bible says.

928
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:59,160
So no, there's a verse that says, we command that I am, who will set me free from the body

929
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,160
of this death?

930
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:05,520
For the things I know I should do, I don't do, and do the things I don't want to do.

931
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,480
Man I am the president of that club.

932
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,000
I'm a faithful member.

933
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
Yeah.

934
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,560
And God loves me in spite of that.

935
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,160
So that's got to be the motivation.

936
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,120
Last Sunday in church, Pastor John Nunez is our pastor.

937
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:25,000
He gave an example, he's talking about prayer, but I think it fits what we're talking about

938
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,000
now.

939
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:31,000
And when he was first married and his wife and him, they were at a restaurant and there

940
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,680
was no salt on the table.

941
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,960
And so he asked the wanker if he would get some salt.

942
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:42,600
And the wanker's like, oh, so annoyed that he had to run and get some salt.

943
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,240
And his wife's kicking him under the table.

944
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:50,200
You could have just not eaten, just eat it without the salt.

945
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:57,040
And anyway, the message that he was trying to make is come to God, and we're not just

946
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,040
asking for salt.

947
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:04,720
We're asking, you know, he's not annoyed that I would even ask him for salt.

948
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:05,720
And he loves us.

949
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:12,240
And so I'm thinking about the God that loves me and wants me to come to him for salt and

950
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:18,160
for the very meat and potatoes and heart of everything.

951
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,520
Wow.

952
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:25,560
So nothing I can do in terms of love would be enough for what he's already done.

953
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:26,560
That's so great.

954
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,960
You know, I shared a story.

955
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,840
My wife does a lot of social media now that she's started the podcast and whenever she

956
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,680
did a TikTok video and she asked me to share something on it.

957
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,760
It's the only time I've ever been on a TikTok video, you know, I'm elusive.

958
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,800
And so my time is not valuable.

959
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:43,960
It's just I'm elusive.

960
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,960
And so I'm going to share what I shared then because I think it fits as well.

961
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,120
And I was taking my son to bed late.

962
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,520
I'd let him stay up to watch the show and he was maybe three and a half somewhere in

963
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,520
there.

964
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:57,520
He was young.

965
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:58,520
He's 12 now.

966
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,800
And so I was carrying the bed and as I was walking down the hall, I thought it doesn't

967
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,280
matter if he was bad that day.

968
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,280
Yep.

969
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,040
And it doesn't matter if he was good that day.

970
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,160
It was my it was my my pleasure to carry him.

971
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,960
I felt so much love for this boy that it didn't matter what he did and it didn't matter how

972
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:16,960
he behaved.

973
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,240
But because he was my son and because I loved him because he was my son, it was my absolute

974
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,440
pleasure to take him to bed and I enjoyed it.

975
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,200
And God never lets me off the hook with just one little thing.

976
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,200
He shared that with me.

977
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,640
And as I got to the top of the stairs, he shared another little nugget with me.

978
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,760
He didn't say it out loud, but you know, it comes to my mind.

979
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,560
And if it's a really good thought about him, I know it came from him.

980
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:37,560
Yep.

981
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,120
And so as I got to the top of the steps, I realized that that's how he wants us to come

982
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,120
to him.

983
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,320
He wants us to love him not because he healed us, not because he blessed us, not because

984
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,360
he gave us an easy day, not because he gave us a hard day, but because he is the father.

985
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,720
And so that's a direct relation of like he teaches me so much with my kid.

986
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,240
And so I think that really just ties into what you were saying that, you know, don't

987
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,560
be afraid to ask him for the salt.

988
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:02,560
Right.

989
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,840
He doesn't matter what you did.

990
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,120
He wants to he wants to serve.

991
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,120
He wants to love you.

992
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,600
He wants you to be close to him.

993
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,280
And that's the point.

994
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:17,440
We got to do football camps in Israel with Israeli soldiers a few years ago, four or five.

995
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,600
And then some tough son of a gun.

996
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,600
Wow.

997
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,880
We have to be there.

998
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:23,880
Yeah.

999
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:24,880
You got to be.

1000
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:25,960
Nobody likes him.

1001
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:31,240
But anyway, there were so many things that impacted me because I told him when they asked

1002
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,640
me if I had go, I wanted to be there.

1003
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,360
I wanted to take me to some of the places and they did.

1004
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,960
And if you have time, I can tell you about that.

1005
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,200
But one of the most impactful things, what you just said about your son, we're getting

1006
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:50,280
off the plane and there is a little boy, little Jewish boy.

1007
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:55,520
He's got the little yarmulke hat and he's not very big and he's with his mom and they're

1008
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:01,680
right in front of me as we get off the plane and he gets into the terminal and he sees

1009
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:09,320
his dad and he starts running to his dad and he's going, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba.

1010
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:14,200
Now for you guys, maybe that doesn't mean anything, but think about it.

1011
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:22,720
In Romans eight, it talks about that God loves us so much that we can call him Abba

1012
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:27,280
Father and Abba means daddy.

1013
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:34,720
And I never really, I ain't going to call it daddy, but then I heard that little Jewish

1014
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:43,680
boy call his father Abba, Abba, Abba with all this enthusiasm and love.

1015
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,800
And I went, okay, I think I get it now.

1016
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:54,760
I think I get it that we can love him so much and he wants us to call him daddy.

1017
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,360
He's not annoyed if I ask for salt.

1018
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,280
Yeah, we call him Papa a lot in the house.

1019
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,920
It's our English version of the Hebrew Abba.

1020
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:12,480
And we've done it for as long as my son's been alive and so he calls me Papa sometimes,

1021
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,920
especially if you want something.

1022
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,040
Otherwise, it's dad, don't do that.

1023
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,440
Dad, quit being, be serious.

1024
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,040
Most times I'm like, Papa, guess what?

1025
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,040
And it's so endearing.

1026
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,680
I never thought I'd be a Papa.

1027
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,520
It's because of the language we use when we talk to God and he has such a pure soul at

1028
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:32,120
his age that he also shares in the Papa and he correlates it.

1029
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:37,240
So I see a lot of themes coming along with your experiences and my experiences.

1030
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,040
I just really think that's great as well because I think it helps reinforce to anybody

1031
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,760
listing doesn't matter what you've done.

1032
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,400
It doesn't matter where you are.

1033
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,160
Jesus never said, hey, I want you to clean your room before you talk to me.

1034
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,800
He said, we're all sinners, right?

1035
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,360
We're all sinners of the false and the glory of God.

1036
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,200
So even in our sin, he sent his only son for us while we were still sinners, right?

1037
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:06,600
And so we oftentimes think that we need to have a tightly run, squeaky clean, navel vessel

1038
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:07,600
of a ship.

1039
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:12,320
And most of the time we've got a leaky dingy with a bed sheet for a sale.

1040
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,800
And God is not asking anything from us except our heart.

1041
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,760
He's not asking anything from us except our heart.

1042
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:23,000
And when we give him our heart, he rewards us with multiple blessings.

1043
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,360
He rewards us with grace.

1044
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,200
He rewards us with mercy.

1045
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:32,480
And through those things, because of it, once we identify his love for us, we start doing

1046
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,040
those works for him, right?

1047
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,640
Not because we think we're impressing him, but because it's the natural disposition of

1048
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,760
our heart that's turned towards him.

1049
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:46,000
And I think this is a great theme for people and I hope they understand that mess up, it's

1050
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,160
going to happen, but don't be afraid to come to the Father.

1051
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,160
Don't be afraid to cry out to Jesus.

1052
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:56,520
Don't be afraid to wallow in yourself while you talk to the Holy Spirit and say, oh, I

1053
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,560
just did it again and I don't want to.

1054
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,040
And the Holy Spirit is like, yeah, I got you.

1055
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,400
I'm speaking to the Father right now and groans that you can't even understand because

1056
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,840
he knows your heart and I know your heart because I am in you.

1057
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,440
So thank you so much for sharing.

1058
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,720
Now, don't you have, isn't this a family affair too?

1059
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,520
Your family is involved with the.

1060
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:17,520
It is.

1061
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:18,880
Yeah, thanks for that.

1062
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,000
Yeah, thanks for asking that.

1063
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:27,160
My wife comes and she does the scheduling and the bookkeeping and stuff like that.

1064
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,560
And she also promotes herself as my boss.

1065
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,240
You know, well, you need to do that.

1066
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,800
Well, you know, and I know that you guys.

1067
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,560
We can talk about some of us have the administration.

1068
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,040
Yeah, I'm kind of, I worked hard in grad school.

1069
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,520
That was some hard stuff.

1070
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,440
And yet she can tell me, well, you know, you ought to be doing such a, you know, and I'm

1071
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,200
like looking at her.

1072
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,320
But then the other, the other part of it is, and I'm proud.

1073
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,960
I like I said, I have three sons.

1074
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,640
My youngest son Caleb works with us on a daily basis.

1075
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,720
And he has taken, when I say adventures in training with the purpose, if you look at

1076
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:09,200
our emblem, there is someone 21 says, I'll lift my eyes to the mountains.

1077
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,720
Where's my help come from?

1078
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,000
It's a rhetorical question.

1079
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,040
And so one time we were climbing a mountain.

1080
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:24,240
And when I got back down, I took a picture of the mountain from the bottom.

1081
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,800
And there was a cross made out of snow in the mountain.

1082
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:35,640
And I climbed through that cross and I didn't recognize the cross when I was 14,000 feet

1083
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,040
up high.

1084
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:44,320
So when we started this nonprofit, our emblem or whatever, our logo, that's the word I'm

1085
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,400
trying to think of.

1086
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:51,320
The logo has a man climbing a mountain with a cross right there in front of him.

1087
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,840
So someone 21 says, I'll lift my eyes to the mountains from where does my help come?

1088
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,600
My help comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth.

1089
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:03,480
So my son Caleb works with us and he's right.

1090
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,160
He takes people they've climbed.

1091
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,960
I've climbed Mount Kilimanjaro once.

1092
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,120
They've taken our people up four times.

1093
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:12,880
We've done the Grand Canyon.

1094
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,680
We do white, like I said, we do the whitewater kayaking.

1095
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,880
So we're training with a purpose.

1096
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,520
And the purpose is what's the mountain represent?

1097
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:30,560
Well, Romans 12 says to offer your body as a living sacrifice and don't be conformed.

1098
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,320
We mentioned that a while ago.

1099
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:39,560
J.T. Thomas, one of my teammates said, if you take the word challenge, C-H-A-L-L-E-N-G

1100
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:45,920
challenge, take the word, take the letters L-L-E out.

1101
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,440
You got change.

1102
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:56,840
And so I really like that because change without challenge, it's like changing your underwear.

1103
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,840
You're the same guy.

1104
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,920
But when you do something that brings about a challenge, that's what I think that means

1105
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:08,840
in that Romans 12, one, because it renews us.

1106
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:19,440
So God created us to be, live, move, and in him we live, we move, and we exist.

1107
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,960
That's what he made us to do.

1108
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,600
And the other one, yeah, thank you.

1109
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,200
That's my youngest son.

1110
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:33,560
My middle son is a strength coach at WVU and trains wrestlers and stuff at West Virginia

1111
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:34,720
University.

1112
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:40,600
My oldest son, really proud of all my sons, my oldest son has muscular dystrophy.

1113
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:46,720
He may have been the best wrestler of the group, but as he got into high school, he

1114
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,200
got skinnier and skinnier.

1115
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:52,080
And I thought it was because he was pulling weight for wrestling.

1116
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,480
Turns out he has muscular dystrophy.

1117
01:05:54,480 --> 01:06:01,440
And I remember the day he was diagnosed and I said, probably cold, but I said, boy, man,

1118
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:07,000
you got to find something you can do from a wheelchair because he had about a year left

1119
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,000
before he's in a wheelchair today.

1120
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,960
Has been for 35 years.

1121
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:20,000
And he continues to, his body continues to, to, to, to teary-aid.

1122
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,000
So what did he do?

1123
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,920
He went and he, he went back to school.

1124
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:31,440
He has a PhD in psychology and he's written three books and he started on his fourth one.

1125
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,280
And he's written a book called The Psychology of God.

1126
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:35,760
You can get them on Amazon.

1127
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:42,040
Eric Cobb, he's written a book called Human Mind and the Human Soul, where he talks about

1128
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,160
those things we were just talking about.

1129
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:50,760
Now our soul and our love the Lord with all your heart, strength, mind and soul.

1130
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,000
And I would really recommend them.

1131
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,360
But if you're in a hurry, you don't want to read this book because, you know, he's a

1132
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,360
PhD.

1133
01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,360
I'm not.

1134
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,720
It's like trying to read a King James version.

1135
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:01,720
Yeah.

1136
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,240
You have to decide for everything.

1137
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,240
Yeah.

1138
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,280
But if you really want to grow, if you really want to understand what we've been talking

1139
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,680
about, he's done tremendous research.

1140
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:17,440
And the cool thing about it is he combines what does the Bible say and people say, well,

1141
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,240
science says the Bible's not you.

1142
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:25,000
No, when you look at it, no, there's no discrepancy, you know, and that's what you'll see in this

1143
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,000
book.

1144
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,000
So good.

1145
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,080
Well, thank you for being with us.

1146
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,080
This is great.

1147
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,360
You've been tremendous.

1148
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,480
I love your sons are wrestlers and not football players.

1149
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,360
I just want to throw that little thing in there.

1150
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,360
I think they look to you.

1151
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,120
It's like, I don't want to know it's like that or something.

1152
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,080
You know what's funny you said that because Caleb, the youngest one said, dad, he said,

1153
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,240
I don't know what I want to do.

1154
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,280
If I play football, I'll get a nose like yours.

1155
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:54,120
And if I wrestle, I'll get ears like Tanner and Eric.

1156
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:59,680
So he ended up wrestling and he's got the worst cauliflower ears that of all three of

1157
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:00,680
the boys.

1158
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,920
You didn't want the most.

1159
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:03,920
Yeah.

1160
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,320
I heard that you didn't you didn't think you were going to play for the Steelers as

1161
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:08,320
well.

1162
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,320
Yeah.

1163
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,080
I think that's funny.

1164
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:15,760
My sophomore year in college, we beat the University of Oklahoma, which was a big deal.

1165
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,400
In Oklahoma, everybody's Baptist.

1166
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:19,680
Everybody's Republican.

1167
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,720
Where they divide is are you Oklahoma State or are you Oklahoma?

1168
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:24,720
And that's fierce.

1169
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:25,720
Yeah, it is fierce.

1170
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:26,720
It's very fierce.

1171
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:31,400
And so while I was in college, we beat the University of Oklahoma my sophomore year,

1172
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,760
which would been we hadn't beaten them in anyway, decades.

1173
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,840
And it was a big deal.

1174
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:44,960
And two days, three days later, I got a letter from the San Diego Chargers and said that

1175
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,160
they saw the game and they were going to be scouting me.

1176
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:53,600
And then a few days later, a couple of weeks later, I got some more letters, started getting

1177
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,120
phone calls.

1178
01:08:55,120 --> 01:09:02,000
By the day of the draft, three years later, I had heard from every single NFL team except

1179
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,240
the Steelers.

1180
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,080
And people would say, well, where do you think you're going to go?

1181
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,440
And I would say, well, I don't know.

1182
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:08,440
I just know one thing.

1183
01:09:08,440 --> 01:09:11,200
I won't be going to the Steelers.

1184
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:18,240
And I told enough people that the day of the draft, I thought the draft took, you know,

1185
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,080
choosing in the backyard.

1186
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:21,320
You know, you play backyards.

1187
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,320
Right, right.

1188
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:23,320
I got Tim.

1189
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:24,320
I got Billy.

1190
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:25,320
Yeah, yeah.

1191
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:26,320
The whole thing takes five minutes.

1192
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:27,320
Well, it doesn't.

1193
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,960
The first round takes an hour and a half, you know.

1194
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,360
And so it was, you know, they told me to stay by the phone in the morning.

1195
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:36,920
And now it's noon.

1196
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:37,920
And I said, oh, he's called.

1197
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,680
I said, oh my, I didn't get drafted.

1198
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,440
My world has come to an end.

1199
01:09:44,440 --> 01:09:45,440
I didn't know what to do.

1200
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:47,000
What am I going to do?

1201
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,560
All my plans are messed up.

1202
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:56,720
And so that night, well, so finally the Steelers called.

1203
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:06,640
And I thought it was my friends putting some guy named Rooney up to calling me.

1204
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:11,400
Because Mr. Rooney, you know, he was probably, even when I was drafted 70 years old, he was

1205
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,640
like, John, you know, that's how Rooney started.

1206
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,040
Yes, this is our Rooney.

1207
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,440
And I'm all right.

1208
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:28,560
And I was really rude because I was so hurt and disappointed that I hadn't been drafted.

1209
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:36,080
And for one of my friends to put some old man up to calling me and telling me from Pittsburgh,

1210
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,920
that was beyond the one team you knew you weren't going.

1211
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,200
The one team I knew I wasn't going to.

1212
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:46,480
And so, you know, I was just devastated.

1213
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:52,320
And that night then, you know, I thought, well, I'll turn on the news, the sports and

1214
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:53,320
find out.

1215
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:54,640
Did you hang up on him?

1216
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:55,640
Yeah.

1217
01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:00,960
So then, yeah, I hung up on him because I thought, yeah, I thought this was a joke.

1218
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:07,200
So that night, I turned on the TV because I wanted to see where some of my friends,

1219
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,040
my roommate, well, anyway, my roommate.

1220
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:16,160
So I turned on the TV and sure enough, it says, Terry Brown going to the Minnesota Vikings.

1221
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,240
That was my roommate in the third round.

1222
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,360
And John Colb going to the Pittsburgh Steelers in the third round.

1223
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:29,520
And I'm like, gosh, that really was, that was really, oh my gosh, whoops.

1224
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,120
Now what do you do?

1225
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,360
Because you were just rude.

1226
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:38,720
So the next morning, the next morning, the first thing I called and I'm going, Mr. Rooney,

1227
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:44,080
this John, I'm sorry that I was, and he, he left.

1228
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:50,040
And, and so what was neat, three months later, four months, whatever it was, when the Steelers

1229
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:57,200
fly me to training camp, guess who was waiting for me to get out of the car when they picked

1230
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,840
me up at their port?

1231
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,760
Mr. Rooney.

1232
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,280
And I'll just never forget that.

1233
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:08,720
That is how classy all the Rooney, the whole family, that, that, you know, the Roonies

1234
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:14,800
are first class Chuck, no, the whole coaching thing staff, first class.

1235
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,960
And it's been that way, Mike Tomlin, first class.

1236
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,080
Steelers seem to be a pretty classy team compared to some others that we've seen, showboaters

1237
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,080
and whatnot.

1238
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,080
Yeah.

1239
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:30,720
And that was just my first experience with them and again, class all the way top to bottom.

1240
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:31,720
That's awesome.

1241
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:32,720
That's funny.

1242
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:33,720
Yeah.

1243
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,720
I'm not going to the Steelers.

1244
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:36,720
Yeah.

1245
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:37,720
Nice try.

1246
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:38,880
You're going to try and make it work.

1247
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,160
Try a team I thought was going to recruit me in the first place.

1248
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,560
If you had called sooner in the day, you wouldn't have thought it was a joke, maybe.

1249
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:45,560
Yeah.

1250
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:46,560
Yeah.

1251
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,440
But I didn't know how long the draft took.

1252
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:49,440
Okay.

1253
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:53,840
Because if they think at that time there was 2016's, but you've got the first two or

1254
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:59,280
three rounds, because I was involved in the draft later as coach.

1255
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,960
And I remember, for example, when we drafted Gabriel Vera, I was coaching the defensive

1256
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:11,320
line and we're looking, you know, you've got 20 minutes or 30 minutes to make your choice.

1257
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:18,520
And every team, you went to 19 minutes and 30 some seconds because you studied this guys,

1258
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:25,520
but then you're calling the guy, you're calling the, well, who's his agent?

1259
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,280
So why would you care about the agent?

1260
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:33,720
Well, if certain agents, you may not get the guy in training camp till training camp's

1261
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:34,720
over.

1262
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,440
Well, then he's probably not going to help you that much that first year.

1263
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:44,320
You know, what is this agent that's typically out for himself or is he out for the player?

1264
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,600
So a lot of things come into play with it.

1265
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,200
Which is silly, you think if you're out for the player, you are out for yourself.

1266
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,200
Right?

1267
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,920
If you do what's best for your player, then you'll get more players and you'll have more.

1268
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,400
You're back to the world again.

1269
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,800
You know, how's the world work?

1270
01:13:58,800 --> 01:13:59,800
Yeah, it's crazy.

1271
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,920
Well, I appreciate your time.

1272
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,800
I love your stories.

1273
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,440
I love hearing about your ministry.

1274
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:09,240
Thank you for sharing your son's books.

1275
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,440
Thank you for sharing yourself with us.

1276
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:14,200
And really enjoyed speaking with you.

1277
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,840
And I'd love to hear from you again.

1278
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:16,840
I would love it.

1279
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,840
Yeah, we'll pick it up right here then.

1280
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,640
Oh yeah, perfect.

1281
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,680
And with that, thank you for listening.

1282
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:28,480
And we actually have something, a bonus feature in the works and the Holy Spirit is working

1283
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:33,320
on the details and I'm waiting for the download of what that is going to entail.

1284
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,680
But besides, you know, the story of our guest, we'll just have that and we don't know how

1285
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,040
often it'll be, but we're working out that.

1286
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:45,760
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1287
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:52,880
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1288
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,240
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1289
01:14:56,240 --> 01:15:02,200
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1290
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:19,560
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