1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,200 Welcome to the God's Goodness podcast, where our mission is to encourage as well as highlight 2 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,640 God's goodness and modern-day miracles. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,720 We are your hosts, Josh and Shelly Hankins. 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,840 Today we have with us a special guest. 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:25,580 You might know him from our church, and his name is Johnny Miller, and he is going to be 6 00:00:25,580 --> 00:00:30,880 sharing some things with us that the Holy Spirit has led him to, and we'll have him open 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,880 up with a little prayer. 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,880 Alright, thanks guys for having me. 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:34,880 I appreciate it. 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:35,880 Thanks for being here. 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:36,880 Awesome. 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,920 Yeah, so my hope, my goal for what we're about to do is that the people who are listening 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,440 would capture some fresh hope. 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,200 I feel like that's so critically important for this season. 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,720 So kind of the thoughts and the, you know, the path that I'll be sharing, it's all kind 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:51,960 of geared towards that. 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:57,280 Like how can whoever's listening walk away and being like, man, I know that God has my 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,840 future in mind and a good future, right? 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,240 So Lord, we thank you for your faithfulness. 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:08,000 We thank you that you give us a hope in a future, Lord, and that you're always in control. 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:13,080 And all throughout your word, Lord, there's all these amazing stories of people who, on 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,280 the journey, whatever their path may be, there's good times and bad times and highs and lows, 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,720 but the theme that rides through everything, Lord, is your faithfulness and that you have 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,840 our future in mind and is a hope in a future and it's good. 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,280 And we thank you for that. 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,280 Amen. 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,280 Amen. 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,880 So obviously that we were talking earlier, like the, I would say the theme of the whole 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,600 podcast is just people's stories. 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,240 I don't have any like crazy story like you guys have. 31 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,000 You guys have pretty good stories, right? 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,280 So, but I think in all of our lives, there are moments where we see God working through 33 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,520 things and ordering our steps and leading and guiding us. 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,280 And so I was thinking before as we were coming on, you know, I was going to come onto the 35 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,720 show like, what do I want to talk about? 36 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,800 And so what I really felt was in my heart to share with your audiences, if it was going 37 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,160 to be a sermon, I call it like from the promise to the palace, you know, and it's like the 38 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,640 story of Joseph. 39 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:14,880 And basically so many of us, I would say it's a universal theme, these stories that we find 40 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,960 in the Bible, whether it's the Moses story or the Joseph story, there's so many of these 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,960 stories that the reason they resonate with us is because they're universal truths, right? 42 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:30,760 And so like for, for so many of us, and I'll share some of my own story, but you know, 43 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,800 in that story of Joseph, there's this seed of a dream that he has, right? 44 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:36,800 It's a promise. 45 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:42,320 But then how does he end up going from, I'm the king of the world, you know, the Titanic 46 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,040 thing where he's on the balcony, right? 47 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,800 Well, to use the Titanic metaphor to being on the, hanging on the side of the door, right? 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:50,800 Like in the water, right? 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,240 And then why wouldn't she let him on the door, right? 50 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,720 Yeah, plenty of door. 51 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,720 Yeah, come on, man. 52 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,240 My groom, my groom, bro. 53 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:04,600 But yeah, so ultimately, you know, in my own life, I grew up in an amazing family Christian 54 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,600 home. 55 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:11,000 My dad was an entrepreneur, but he also was on staff at the church that we grew up at. 56 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:17,800 So I had this heritage of being in faith in Christianity, like my, from the beginning 57 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,720 church, whatever you want to say. 58 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,120 Now again, that could sound good, but I think to be honest, a lot of people that grow up 59 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,760 in church end up not in the church because there's a lot of baggage that can come with 60 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:29,880 that too. 61 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,040 So that's interesting. 62 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,880 Like that it cuts both ways, right? 63 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,640 So I know you guys have amazing stories of how you found God, maybe a little bit later, 64 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,400 but I just was always in this, like my whole life. 65 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:48,080 And even from like a young age, I just always knew that ministry and serving the bride or 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:53,040 the body of Christ, whatever you want to say, was going to be probably not only a part of 67 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,680 my life, but ultimately kind of as in this, I'll kind of get to this in the story, but 68 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,800 like where the convergence would happen, you know, where I would be like, Oh, I see 69 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:04,800 now. 70 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,400 And I think that's the beauty of these stories, whether it's our story or whether it's the 71 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,280 Joseph story or the David story, right? 72 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,520 There's always this time where you think, you know, how it's going to go. 73 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,440 And then it doesn't go that way, right? 74 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:18,440 The plot twist. 75 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:19,440 Yeah. 76 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,240 And then the beauty is like, it always ends up better, doesn't it? 77 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,520 It's like a better story. 78 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:25,520 It's deeper. 79 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:31,640 It's richer than just the linear path that you thought was going to be your path, right? 80 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,400 So yeah, I mean, again, I just, I grew up in all this. 81 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,400 Actually, it's pretty neat. 82 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,360 My great grandfather, he was also kind of very similar. 83 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:44,120 He was like an itinerant minister and basically also like an entrepreneur or business kind 84 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,200 of guy. 85 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,720 So everybody in my family's named Johnny, you know, it's like John, John, Johnny, you 86 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:55,120 know, so my dad, I'm junior, but I'm named after him, but his dad was John as well. 87 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,440 They just kind of swapped the middle name out. 88 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,240 Maybe I don't know why, but either way they got creative there, right? 89 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,520 But then my great grandfather, his name is the same as Johnny Miller. 90 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:11,280 And my parents gave me a card, a business card of his at one point when I was old enough 91 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:13,120 to like not lose it. 92 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,920 You got to watch when you get your kid stuff, right? 93 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:15,920 You give him something too early. 94 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,160 It's like, oh, I threw that away, you know? 95 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,200 But it was really cool to see. 96 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,800 And it was basically like his name, which is my name, you know, and that he's, you know, 97 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,760 he was a minister of the gospel and, you know, this kind of stuff. 98 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,240 It's just really cool to see like this journey in this path. 99 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,200 Do you think that was like a seed, you know, seeing that maybe? 100 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:42,520 I saw that later, but I think just always being in it, put a seed in my heart, honestly, 101 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,800 to love the church because I know a lot of people, like I said earlier, they like grew 102 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,800 up in the church, they hate the church, but there was just always something in me. 103 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,440 And I think it's part of that whole seed, that like that dream, that the Joseph moment, 104 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,960 like something was in my heart for that. 105 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,120 And so, you know, then I did the usual stuff. 106 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,240 I mean, I was an idiot, like always no major trouble, but you know what I mean? 107 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,080 Like they were always teenager kind of thing and all that. 108 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,080 But I never strayed. 109 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,120 I never was like away from, I was never prodigal, whatever you want to say, you know? 110 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,360 It was just like, I'd have fun on Saturday night and I come to church on Sunday, you 111 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,360 know? 112 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,200 But then, you know, there are these times in all of our lives that mark us, right? 113 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:29,400 And so, when I was probably, I think I was basically like just getting into college. 114 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:36,000 So like either late teens or early 20s, there was this movement, there were these like hot 115 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,000 spots of what God was doing, you know, in America. 116 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,720 One was in Toronto, where there was like this move of God and they were, and at the time, 117 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,440 so this was like 90s, but there were, the thing, it was like when God started moving 118 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,880 people for whatever reason just decided they were going to have church like every day of 119 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,240 the year, right? 120 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,800 And then I think ultimately what we saw kind of as a fruit of that is that's not actually 121 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,040 reproducible and that's not long term like a lifestyle that you can live. 122 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,680 It's kind of like if you go on a diet, right? 123 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,800 You can go on a diet for a little bit, but if it's something like crazy where I only 124 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,360 eat chip tam and celery or whatever, you know, at some point. 125 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,840 Yeah, Adkins diet. 126 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:15,840 Yeah, right. 127 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:16,840 There you go. 128 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:17,840 That was a big one. 129 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,840 At some point you're going to go down. 130 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:19,840 Yeah, right. 131 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,240 And then as soon as you eat that first French fry, you're like, then it's over, right? 132 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,440 But so the other one that was in Florida was called Brownsville. 133 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,960 It was in Pensacola and I can just remember like my parents, they were always, and this 134 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,160 is one of the things that I know was like imparted to me like as a spiritual gift that 135 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,480 is like one of the defining things of who I am. 136 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,720 And especially when I'm doing like church stuff, it's just a hunger for God, like for 137 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,760 whatever reason, just like, I just want to be in his presence. 138 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,440 I don't want to go to, it's not, I want to be in church. 139 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,040 It's I want to be in his presence. 140 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,040 You know what I mean? 141 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,040 Like there's a difference. 142 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,040 It doesn't matter wherever you are. 143 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,040 Yeah. 144 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,040 It doesn't matter. 145 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,040 It's not a place you go to that you walk out your door. 146 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,040 There he is. 147 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,040 Well said. 148 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,040 You get in your car. 149 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,040 There he is. 150 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,040 You get to Walmart. 151 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,040 There he is. 152 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,040 Like you ever get like wrecked in the grocery store? 153 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,120 Like I'm not saying be a weirdo, but like every now and again, it's something like God 154 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,840 will just encounter you in the strangest place. 155 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:12,840 Oh man. 156 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:13,840 He gets me in the back of an ambulance all the time. 157 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:14,840 There you go. 158 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Yeah. 159 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:16,840 All the time. 160 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:17,840 Yeah, right. 161 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:18,840 But it's, it's crazy. 162 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:19,840 And it's one of those things. 163 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:25,960 It's like, I think one of the, if we can learn to always like be like looking, you know, 164 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,400 it's like that whole ask, seek, knock thing. 165 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,440 You know, like in the Hebrew, well, sorry, that's a Greek, I guess, New Testament, but 166 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,400 in the Greek, it's like, keep asking, keep seeking, keep knocking. 167 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,040 It's like a continual process, but it's like whatever you seek, you'll find, you know, 168 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,040 and if you're looking for God, and that's I think a big part of this podcast, right? 169 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,320 If you're looking for God's goodness, you're going to find it. 170 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,320 Absolutely. 171 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,520 It starts to, oh, I see it everywhere. 172 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:51,520 Right? 173 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,760 It's like whenever you buy the new car, right? 174 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,720 You never noticed that car, but all of a sudden you're like, Oh, there's another. 175 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,880 Like they call it the white Tesla syndrome, right? 176 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,200 You know, there's another white Tesla. 177 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,600 There's another white Tesla, right? 178 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,280 And I feel like that's how it is with God too, you know, when we start to focus, but 179 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,880 back to like the journey. 180 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,360 So my parents were just hungry and they were like, we just, we know, like, look, we're 181 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,920 good Christians and all this stuff, but like, there's got to be more. 182 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,360 Like what I see in the Bible is all this awesome stuff. 183 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,280 But what I see, like for the most part, what's happening, let's just say like our perspective 184 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:28,840 in the American church on a day to day, week to week on a Sunday is like, why is this amazing 185 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,720 and signs and wonders and, you know, whatever it might be, like, you know, go into the book 186 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:34,920 of acts, right? 187 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,560 And then what we see is kind of the, just not that, right? 188 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:42,360 So we found that there were these pockets and it still happens. 189 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,120 Like even the thing in Kentucky this past year with, right? 190 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,120 Right. 191 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,120 Yeah, that was amazing. 192 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,120 Yeah, right. 193 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,240 And so it's weird, isn't it? 194 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:54,120 But like what I see, like when I look through the history of America, because I've been 195 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,360 kind of studying like, I love histories, right? 196 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:05,040 So I'm always like, but I've been lately studying moves of God in America, because I honestly, 197 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:10,680 like my perspective is this, like without a, without the Holy spirit, there is no change. 198 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:15,520 Like you can bootstrap it, you can like bite the bullet, you can do everything you want 199 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:16,520 to do. 200 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,840 There's so many people that like, whether it's an addiction, they're trying to break 201 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,160 or whether it's just, I want to be a better dad, whatever it is, right? 202 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,720 There's so many people that, yeah, okay. 203 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,040 And I'm all about Tony Robbins and self-help and John Maxwell and leadership and personal 204 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,760 development and, you know, I can name them all, right? 205 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:39,880 But there's always that thing where it's like, I keep falling short, but the Holy spirit 206 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,760 is the thing that brings the change, that brings the breakthrough. 207 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,720 And so like, just like the Great Awakening or the Second Great Awakening or the Jesus 208 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,560 Movement, there was this thing happening and my parents were like, we want the real deal, 209 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:54,560 right? 210 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:55,560 So we, it was crazy. 211 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:59,480 We like went on vacation to church, you know what I'm like, what's wrong with us, right? 212 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:04,360 But like, so we drove down to Florida and I can remember vividly when we were getting 213 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:09,200 close, my mother's always been like very prophetic and like, she could like open up the phone 214 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,000 book and like get like a prophetic word, you know what I'm saying? 215 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,240 Like, oh, well, this is Smith plus whatever you get the point. 216 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,920 Like she's just kind of was always geared that way. 217 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,840 But I can remember when we were, we were driving there, she said, we're getting close. 218 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:24,840 And we're like, what do you mean? 219 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,920 She's like, I can feel like the presence of God. 220 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:28,920 And it was weird. 221 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,520 And if you have ever been in a situation like this where like, it's whether it's a church 222 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,880 service or the back of an ambulance or whatever, there's this thing that like, I don't know 223 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:43,560 what it is, but I know every person has that tuning fork in them, you just are like, there's 224 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:45,040 something else going on here. 225 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,840 Like it's like the Moses burning bush thing, like I got to turn aside, it wasn't that the 226 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,800 bush was on fire because they were probably catching on fire all the time in the desert, 227 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:54,800 right? 228 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,920 There was something different about that one, right? 229 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:03,040 And so that was a marking moment for me, you know, so you have this history of me growing 230 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:08,320 up and seeing a my parents in business and entrepreneurship and then B, seeing them in 231 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,560 ministry. 232 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:14,160 And then I would say, even, you know, there's always these journeys and you know, I've had 233 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,440 other stupid moments where I like, oops, shouldn't have done that. 234 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:24,400 But like in that moment, in that season where we were, where we would go to these God encounters 235 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,440 for lack of a better way to say it, that marked me. 236 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:32,920 So then fast forward, got out of college and then Erica and I were married. 237 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,040 So this past year we've been married for 21 years. 238 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,040 So we got. 239 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,040 Congratulations. 240 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,040 Yeah, absolutely. 241 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Congratulations. 242 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,040 I think you get to that point where you're just like, all right, you know me, I know 243 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,920 you, you know, and it just gets better and better. 244 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,440 You know, there's always those times in the marriage. 245 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,440 Absolutely. 246 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,840 You don't have that in the first five. 247 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:49,840 No, right. 248 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:50,840 Yeah. 249 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:51,840 Right. 250 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:52,840 So, and I always was like, oh, I guess this is good. 251 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,040 But you know, it turns out she wasn't always terribly happy with things, but, but you know, 252 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,040 she put up with me. 253 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,480 She trained me, right? 254 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:04,920 But all that to say, we got out of school and didn't really, I knew like ministry was 255 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:13,080 a part of what I was supposed to be doing, but I also felt this weird draw to like business, 256 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,080 you know. 257 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,400 And so we got married and just we ended up, we were working in different places and all 258 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,960 the time, the whole time we were like, there were a couple of different throughout this 259 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:29,080 period between our twenties and our thirties where we were on staff at other churches in 260 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,680 this area that, you know, there are large churches that you would know the names if 261 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:33,680 I told them. 262 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:38,000 But so we're always kind of in this thing where we're doing both, right? 263 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,040 And I'm always like, Lord, why can't you just let me just pick one? 264 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,800 Like, I don't want to be, I feel like I'm double minded here. 265 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,680 I feel like I want to do X, but you want me to do Y and I never could figure this part 266 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:51,000 out, right? 267 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:58,160 And so fast forward, I was working in this place and they got acquired by a national 268 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,840 company, like a Fortune 500 publicly traded company that I had already worked for. 269 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,000 And I hated the place because I'm not a big like corporate guy. 270 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:11,720 I'm a bad robot, you know, like I'm a terrible employee, but I'm like a great owner or leader 271 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,600 or whatever, right? 272 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:19,000 And so I was like, well, we're going to just start doing our own thing. 273 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,920 So we started doing it and basically it was real estate development. 274 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,560 And it's weird because again, back to the, to the Joseph story, like I thought when we 275 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,640 started that, that it was going to be one thing. 276 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,720 I thought it was going to be like, oh, we're going to build some McMansions, you know, that 277 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,720 kind of stuff. 278 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,440 Because that was what I had come out of in the real estate part of it, that kind of construction 279 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:39,440 part of it. 280 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:45,640 And then over the course of 10 years, what I've seen in that business realm is that 281 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:51,600 Holy Spirit kind of moved us from doing some of this to doing some of that until ultimately 282 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:57,720 like, I started to get wisdom and clarity on the path that he had for me and everybody's 283 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,720 got a different journey. 284 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:05,480 But it was like, I'm supposed to focus on multifamily, which are like apartment projects, 285 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,480 right? 286 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,200 So this will all tie together. 287 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,800 So while we're doing that at the same time, we decided, Erica and I decided like with 288 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:13,960 some friends. 289 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,320 We didn't really know at the time it was going to be a church, but we were going to start 290 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,160 like some type of like thing and it became ultimately a church. 291 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,280 Our heart was always like, this is a big part of my heart for the church was always like, 292 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:33,240 I'm tired of seeing people just show up on Sunday and sit in a pew and like, they're 293 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,520 just punching the card. 294 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:41,360 I want to see like an expression where every single person, if they have a heart that they 295 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:47,760 want to start a podcast, like how can they be equipped and empowered to take the dream 296 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,680 in their heart and to take that and to take it out and do it? 297 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:59,080 Not just like for the world or for a buck, but like for a calling for a worship, you 298 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,960 know, hey, Lord, this is my acceptable act of worship, right? 299 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,280 And so we started doing that and the whole idea behind it, which is a big part of my 300 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,040 philosophy when it comes to the church. 301 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,320 And I think church kind of has a name with baggage, you know, so lately I've actually, 302 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,240 I've heard some other people saying this, but eklatia, which is the word in the Greek, 303 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,360 which is in the Bible when it says, you know, the church, right? 304 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,920 So like, what is the eklatia? 305 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,360 What is the body of Christ? 306 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:31,840 You know, and again, what I've seen just in this whole being in this game, in this thing, 307 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:37,840 my whole life is like so many times we have this model that we've taken from the world 308 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,560 that we've tried to bring into the church, which is like, I'm the leader and here's my 309 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,720 vision and you need to come under my vision and serve my vision. 310 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,880 And then we wonder why people are like, man, I'm not feeling this, right? 311 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,840 It's because that's not the way the kingdom works. 312 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,960 So like in the culture that we've had in the church, especially in America for the last 313 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,680 like 100 years, it's a pastor culture, pastoral culture is what I would say. 314 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:08,160 So basically like you come to the church and the man of God comes and like he gives you 315 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,480 the word and he gives you and he prays for you. 316 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,720 And if you need a prayer, you come to him and if you need, he would you come to him. 317 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,360 And if you, you need counseling, you come to him. 318 00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:20,880 But if you read in the New Testament, that's not how Jesus did it, right? 319 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:26,040 And I shared this on a Sunday a while back, but it's like, Jesus didn't feed the 5000. 320 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,600 The disciples did. 321 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,360 He gave them the bread and was like, go feed them. 322 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:35,720 And so when you look at New Testament culture, it's actually, it works the other way. 323 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,720 It's upside down. 324 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,200 The leader is the servant who's there that says, what's your heart? 325 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,200 All right. 326 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,000 Now, how do I help you accomplish that? 327 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,080 And so I'll kind of like start to tie this together. 328 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,560 So was it like a home church that you guys? 329 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:49,560 No. 330 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,560 So it kind of started there. 331 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,200 It started as a home church and the whole heartbeat behind it was like, how do we equip 332 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,520 people to like live life? 333 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,040 And there was a lot of lessons to it. 334 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,040 Yeah. 335 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,040 And multiplication. 336 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:06,560 Now, what you said right there is that is the key to the kingdom, everything. 337 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:07,560 That's the whole deal. 338 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:12,680 Like Jesus actually says, when he's telling the parable of the sower, he says this, if 339 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:18,680 you don't understand this parable, you don't understand the whole rest of the game. 340 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,920 Everything else is locked because it's all about multiplication. 341 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:21,920 Yeah. 342 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,760 You need to invest in things that are faithful and the multiply. 343 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:25,760 Love it. 344 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,260 I think it's proverbs. 345 00:18:27,260 --> 00:18:28,260 It's from seed time money. 346 00:18:28,260 --> 00:18:29,260 Anyway, go ahead. 347 00:18:29,260 --> 00:18:30,260 Yeah. 348 00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:32,400 So again, let's talk about that for a second. 349 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,520 Listen, this could be a three hour podcast. 350 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,520 If you want to guide the ship a little bit, that's fine. 351 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:41,320 Well, I was making a joke, but the point is you can kind of guide us where you're feeling, 352 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,080 but multiplication starts in the beginning. 353 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,520 That's Genesis 126. 354 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,320 Be fruitful, multiply. 355 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,480 But all that to say, what I've seen growing up is this upside down thing that's not the 356 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,840 kingdom, which is like come under this vision and serve it. 357 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,120 And then like, if you're a good little boy or girl, you know, you get a pat on the back 358 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:02,680 but the kingdom works like this. 359 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:03,760 Everybody here is equipped. 360 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,320 It's a priesthood of all believers. 361 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,400 That's why a lot of times from the front on Sunday, like when you hear me, I'll say, 362 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,600 Hey, put your hand up if you need prayer. 363 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,200 And then now if you see somebody with their hand up, put your hand on their shoulder and 364 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,200 pray for them. 365 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,200 Why? 366 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,880 Because that's how the kingdom works. 367 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,800 It's supposed to be activation and that leads to multiplication, you know? 368 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:32,160 And so all that to say on the path, what I've seen in the last probably like year or two, 369 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,520 because you know, you come on these Joseph journeys, right? 370 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,400 Where you're like, Lord, I thought you promised me this. 371 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,640 And then you said I was going to rule and all my brothers are going to bow down to me 372 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,680 like this, the Joseph story, right? 373 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:44,680 But now here I am. 374 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,240 Why have I been in Potiphar's house serving for years? 375 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,080 Why have I been in the prison? 376 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:54,160 But the reality is he did not know that God's destiny was much bigger than that dream. 377 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,000 And that's how it is for all of us. 378 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,640 And it's like, you thought it was one thing, but it was so much bigger and so much more 379 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,480 full and so much more vibrant. 380 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,960 It was like black and white, like the Wizard of Oz, you know what I mean? 381 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,600 It was black and white and suddenly it's color. 382 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,800 And so Joseph goes through from the promise, right? 383 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,520 Then he ends up in the prison, right? 384 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,240 But he ends up, the prison is the open door that took him to the palace. 385 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,840 And like, listen, this is a little bit of a sermon here that I'm preaching now, right? 386 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,360 All right, get the organ out. 387 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:28,080 Like, look, like there's people listening today that are like, why am I in the prison? 388 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,240 Like, Lord, you told me I was going to be wealthy and unbroke. 389 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,960 You told me I was going to live to be a hundred and the doctor said I'm going to die or whatever 390 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:36,960 it might be. 391 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,320 You said I was going to have a beautiful family and suddenly we're on the rocks and... 392 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,320 Right. 393 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,320 Who do you choose to trust? 394 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,760 Do I trust this person who told me this? 395 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,120 Do I trust my lifestyle or do I trust what God's promise is for me? 396 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:48,120 Love it. 397 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:49,120 Yeah. 398 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:55,040 So we all have to make a decision, see when we run into the prison or we're... 399 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,320 They're all in the Bible, right? 400 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,080 Like when you're Elijah and God says, go tell Ahab and he's like, no, no, I'm good. 401 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,080 You know, even the sermon, he's like, I can't remember who comes to Elijah, but he's one 402 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,760 of the boys and he's like, I can't go back to Ahab. 403 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,520 He'll kill me if he knows that. 404 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,240 So there's all these moments where you're like, I don't get this. 405 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,720 But then ultimately, like, you have to make a decision there. 406 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,360 Do I give up on the seed? 407 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:22,800 Do I give up on this little sapling, this thing that God promised me? 408 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,920 Oh, that wasn't God. 409 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,920 You know? 410 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,360 Or do I say, hey, I'm not going to change my theology. 411 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:34,640 I'm going to stick with this until the situation changes. 412 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,200 But that's the hard moment, isn't it? 413 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,200 Right. 414 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,200 Yeah. 415 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,200 Nowhere does it say that Joseph rebuked God. 416 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,000 Nowhere does it say Joseph was in prison. 417 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,720 He's asking why, but he's not saying, nope, we're done. 418 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,720 Right. 419 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,720 He's like, we're no longer... 420 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,720 It's the Joseph... 421 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:48,720 He's like, you're going to put me in, right? 422 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,720 Absolutely. 423 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,440 He says, all right, well, I'm going to water this little tree. 424 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,440 I'm going to go take care of this. 425 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,960 I'm going to make the best of my moment. 426 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:54,960 Right? 427 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:55,960 Yes. 428 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,520 And God found him in that hole because he knew where he was the whole time and said, 429 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,400 all right, now is the time. 430 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,400 Yup. 431 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,240 Well, and that's a big biblical theme, right? 432 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,440 It's always about the fullness of time. 433 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,400 And so many people, like whether it's you guys, whether it's me, whether it's people 434 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,640 listening, why don't I have this Lord? 435 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:12,920 Well, here's the issue. 436 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,600 You don't have it yet for two reasons. 437 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,520 One, because it's not the fullness of time. 438 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,920 Two, because the preparation so that you can steward the thing that God has called you 439 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,040 to isn't done. 440 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:29,920 Because I always say it this way, like God has to put his super on your natural. 441 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,680 But if your natural can't carry the weight because you haven't developed it, like if 442 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,920 you go to the gym and you haven't been there in five years and you put three wheels on 443 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,040 that baby and you're like, I'm going to squat this man. 444 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,040 I'm the man. 445 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,040 You're going to end up on your butt, right? 446 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,040 You're going to end up with me in the back of an ambulance. 447 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,040 There you go. 448 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,040 That's right. 449 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:54,240 So, but it's the preparation that creates in you the ability to carry the thing that 450 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,240 you're called to. 451 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,240 That's good. 452 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,320 And that's the thing we all, because we want it, man. 453 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,320 This is our culture, right? 454 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,320 We want it right away. 455 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,320 I want it every time. 456 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:02,320 The microwave, man. 457 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,320 A big, I bet you a way. 458 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,320 You know. 459 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,320 You know. 460 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,320 Nathan loves that big case. 461 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,320 But yeah, it's funny. 462 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,000 We live in the tyranny of the urgency. 463 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,440 That's obviously the enemy that has produced a society has produced a way of thinking that 464 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,680 wants immediate results to the things. 465 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,040 You know, why do we have a microwave? 466 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,640 Because we couldn't wait for the oven, right? 467 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,640 Right? 468 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:24,640 Well, why do we have the air fryer? 469 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,680 Because it's better than a microwave and it's still faster than the oven, right? 470 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,800 So we live as slaves to tyranny of the urgency. 471 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,800 And when you develop your relationship with Jesus, you start understanding to be still 472 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:36,960 in no. 473 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,520 And you start understanding what you were speaking about, strengthening your spiritual 474 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,480 muscles so that you can take on the load of the super to your natural. 475 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,520 And so that's when you're perfected in the time. 476 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:51,840 And the longer you are on this earth in God's love, the easier that is to understand. 477 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,920 But even young Christians flounder with it sometimes because, you know, it's like, you 478 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,560 know, Lord, it's getting a little close, man. 479 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:57,560 It's getting a little close. 480 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,600 And some of us need reminders. 481 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,600 Constantly. 482 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,600 Yeah. 483 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,120 I'm a key one that needs reminders because I forget quick. 484 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:04,120 Yeah, we all do. 485 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,560 I'm like Peter, I'd be right on that water and then I'd be right in it. 486 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,560 Yeah. 487 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,680 Because, you know, whoops, I forgot. 488 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,680 Just like that. 489 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,600 I heard, now this isn't my idea. 490 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:17,640 This is Randy Clark said this, but you know, in this, the story where Jesus is on the shore 491 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,960 after the resurrection and Peter says, it's the Lord. 492 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,120 And he jumps back in the water. 493 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,600 He puts his clothes on first, then he gets in the water. 494 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,280 Now, again, this is brilliant, but like this is Randy Clark's thought, not mine, but he's 495 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,520 like, I think the reason that Peter put his clothes on first is because he expected to 496 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,600 walk on water when he went that time, you know, and I just love that because that is, 497 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,960 it's the testing of your faith. 498 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,720 That's James one that brings about perseverance, you know, all these things like without that 499 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:50,040 moment where you're in the prison, without the David moment where you're running around 500 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:55,200 from Saul, without all those things, you don't become who you're supposed to be. 501 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,960 And so like on my own journey, just like you guys have your journey, what's cool now. 502 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:04,800 I finally, you know, like when you're on the road and you're driving, say you're going 503 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,120 like on that commercial, are we at the ocean yet? 504 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,120 You know what I mean? 505 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,640 And then you come over the horizon and suddenly you're like, there's the ocean, right? 506 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,280 I'm just now at the point of my journey. 507 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,760 It's called convergence, right? 508 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,840 Where all the things that you didn't even know about that God was doing, it are coming 509 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:22,840 together. 510 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,280 It's kind of like the opposite of the whole two roads, letting the woods, you know, the 511 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:31,200 frostbomb, you know, it's like all these roads, all roads lead to Rome, right? 512 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,640 It's like everything coming together. 513 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,040 That's Romans eight, by the way, right? 514 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,920 He's going to take all the stuff and make it work for you. 515 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:44,040 And so what I'm seeing now, which is really brilliant and amazing is all the business 516 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,720 acumen and savvy and like all the experience that I would have never got, whether it's 517 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:57,240 from being in front of like local county boards or, you know, municipal boards, all, you know, 518 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:04,120 all these places of government, all the financial, you know, thinking and processing and all 519 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:09,160 those things on business, managing hundreds of people, all this kind of stuff, right? 520 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,400 That's converging. 521 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:16,840 But then I see all of a sudden like how the desire of my heart, like to build the body 522 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,440 of Christ, right? 523 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,920 That was always like, how does that work? 524 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,120 Lord, you keep telling me I'm supposed to do this business stuff. 525 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:24,880 I don't get it. 526 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,400 I want to do this, but you're telling me to do that. 527 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,400 All I want to do is just be with your people and build your kingdom, build your church. 528 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:37,240 Now all of a sudden I'm like, oh, I needed all those pieces to bring to the church. 529 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:42,000 And it's really cool because now I'm in a position where even like next weekend I'll 530 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:48,960 be traveling, but I'm going to be consulting with a pretty large church organization with 531 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:56,840 like a lot of campuses on leadership development, on how to create generational wealth, because 532 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,360 that's the thing the church doesn't get. 533 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,920 Like we don't think strategically in the church. 534 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,400 We're always just about a lot of churches eat their, eat their seed as bread. 535 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,720 You know, like we don't think multi-generationally. 536 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,680 We don't think a hundred years out. 537 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,640 God thinks eternally and we can't even think past the next year, right? 538 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,640 But so it's cool. 539 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,720 So I'll be taking all this stuff that I was like, God, this is such a waste of my time. 540 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,200 This is why am I doing this? 541 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,760 Like, and I'm going to bring all this back to where my heart has always been, back to 542 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,680 the people, back to the church, back to the Ecclesia. 543 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,360 And so I see this awesome, beautiful convergence of like, for me, that whole, oh, like I'm 544 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,600 not in the palace yet, right? 545 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,160 But the, what was it? 546 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,520 The wine maker, right? 547 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,840 No, he, yeah, the, the cup bearer got whacked. 548 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,320 Was it the baker? 549 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,520 The baker got whacked. 550 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,520 Okay. 551 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,520 Bare remembered him. 552 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,520 Yeah. 553 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,520 So there you go. 554 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,520 So the baker got whacked. 555 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,520 Took a whole year. 556 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,520 Oh, thanks for remembering. 557 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,520 By the way, it's because he wasn't supposed to remember because Joseph wasn't done simmering. 558 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,520 Right? 559 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,440 He was still, he was still on low, you know, and, and coming to a boil and, and he's being 560 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,920 stirred and then when it was time has come, his time had come. 561 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,760 You needed that extra year. 562 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,320 And so like, whether it's the Joseph journey, whether it's the journey that I find myself 563 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:19,520 on where I'm like, Oh, cause suddenly the, the cup bearer calls, Hey, we need you. 564 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,960 Like I just remembered there's a guy that already knows this stuff, right? 565 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,520 So the cup bearer from me called, right? 566 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,200 And so it's beautiful to start to see like, Oh, I see this, the plan of God, like that 567 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,400 I couldn't see until I came over the horizon. 568 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,920 And I was like, there it is. 569 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,920 There's the ocean. 570 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,920 There's the thing. 571 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,920 And so like the people, you know, listening to this podcast, right? 572 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:46,200 It's like all the way through this journey, if you will be faithful, if you'll continue 573 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,320 to just every day, get up, just Lord, I know what you call me to, I'm going to be the best 574 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,320 version of myself. 575 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,440 Like, you know, even every Sunday when I'm on my way here to church, I'm like, Lord, 576 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,280 I'm on my way to give the best that I have to your bride. 577 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,880 I'm on my way to serve your body, whatever you want me to do. 578 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,040 You just, I'm here to be your hands and feet. 579 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,280 But when you do that every day, it's not just what you do once, right? 580 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,360 It's the every single day that builds character that builds your life. 581 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,360 That's the key. 582 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,560 I think that you were speaking earlier about not all churches have this and you, and you 583 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:24,800 sought this and your family sought this, that comfort breeds complacency. 584 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,080 And you cannot grow if you're complacent. 585 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,040 You become content with the meagerness that you have. 586 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,200 You miss out on the finest things that God asked to offer you that you could do if you 587 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,800 would just step out, that you just make small movements, you know, especially if you go 588 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,760 back to the weightlifting thing, don't start big. 589 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,080 Start walking down the aisle. 590 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,600 Yeah, don't start around a marathon. 591 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,200 Start shaking someone's hands. 592 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,400 Start praising Jesus a little louder, you know, put your hands in the air, pray for 593 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,160 the person next to you, you know. 594 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,320 Don't have that complacency in your heart. 595 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,440 Seek him with your whole heart. 596 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,920 Like us, I can't imagine not seeking him. 597 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,960 I've prayed prayers where I prayed that he would kill me. 598 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,800 Not literally, but the fleshy part of me so that the spirit can shine so that he can shine 599 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,800 through me. 600 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,800 Like, Lord, I am in the way. 601 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,960 Like, you need to kill me. 602 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,960 Yeah. 603 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,360 Like, you need to put this body to death. 604 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,560 Like I am just shaming you. 605 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,480 I am spinning my wheels and doing my own thing. 606 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,920 You need to kill this body. 607 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,920 Yeah. 608 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,680 And, you know, I've had people that say, hey, I need patience. 609 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,680 Pray for it. 610 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:24,840 Well, then he'll test me. 611 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,840 Let him. 612 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,840 That's what you want. 613 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,840 Yes, you're going to be tested. 614 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:28,840 That's going to happen. 615 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,360 That's how you, that's how you refine something. 616 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,360 Yeah. 617 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,440 I don't understand why you would shy away from that. 618 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,200 That's what I found too is God always does his sneaky work during worship, right? 619 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,440 Because you're like, oh, Lord, I love you. 620 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,400 Lord, I give you my heart. 621 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,400 You know what? 622 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,280 You know, you're praying all these dangerous prayers and then all of a sudden later you're 623 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,080 like, why am I going through this? 624 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,120 You know, because you prayed it, bro. 625 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,400 Like you ask God. 626 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,400 Yeah. 627 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,640 You're like, I'm over again in this song. 628 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,640 That's what you want. 629 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,080 I just, I give it all to you. 630 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,680 No, Lord, you took it all away, right? 631 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,200 But yeah, no, it's funny. 632 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,080 I always like the joke because it's like, it's kind of like in life too. 633 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,920 You know, you put the music on, you know, oh, this is the best time ever, you know? 634 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,960 But like all kidding aside, like not, not to be crass, but like that's where God does 635 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,400 put the seed into you. 636 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,560 That's where he, in those moments where you're, you're like, Lord, I give it all to you. 637 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,560 I'm just open. 638 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,040 I want to be, I want to serve you. 639 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,040 I love you. 640 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,040 I give you my heart. 641 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,320 And I know that the Church is, this is the great commandment, but like it's beautiful 642 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,120 because in those moments, that's where he's like, he puts that whatever that dream is, 643 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,040 that's when he puts it in your heart. 644 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,360 And then it starts the process, right? 645 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,040 And it's just like, it's just always that the thing I love about God is this, he can 646 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,280 do miracles, right? 647 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,460 You see him all through the Bible. 648 00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:42,920 We hear about him in church. 649 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,880 If I'm being honest, we should be doing a better job of talking about the miracles. 650 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,880 All of us should. 651 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,880 Well, now we're trying. 652 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,480 No, no, all of us, you know, but yeah, that's part of this podcast, right? 653 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,480 Yes. 654 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,720 I, Sam was mentioning that they used to have a bulletin board and they would post miracles 655 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,520 that have happened and blessings. 656 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,520 Yeah. 657 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,400 I told Pastor Pete, we should bring that back because people could actually see and read 658 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,080 and be encouraged that way. 659 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,080 Yeah. 660 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,080 That's beautiful. 661 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,080 Yeah. 662 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,360 So what I love though about the miracle is God can do that, right? 663 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,040 But he works through process. 664 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,860 So he's able to do a miracle, right? 665 00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:22,640 But his nature is process. 666 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880 And I love that because it's always, if you look, it's always the seed. 667 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,480 He's always gentle with us, gently guiding us. 668 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,480 Yeah. 669 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,480 It's like, no, no, no, not that way this way. 670 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,480 Yeah. 671 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,280 And you don't feel it like that maybe like just like, you don't feel your hair grow, 672 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,120 like the seed grows, you know? 673 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,920 When you continue to, like it's like what it says about Mary, she, she treasured these 674 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:41,920 things in her heart. 675 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,080 When you take that thing and you protect it and you, you bring it back to the Lord again, 676 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,720 that's like 1st Timothy 1, 18, right, take these things that were spoken over you and 677 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,040 keep bringing them back to the Lord, you know? 678 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,800 But like, you don't feel it growing, but then the next thing you know, 10 years down the 679 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,400 road, you, you just turn around here like, wow, this is a story. 680 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,400 That happened. 681 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,480 This is a God size story. 682 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,320 And the other thing I would say just so like, if the thing that you're aspiring to, you 683 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,200 can do on your own, you're not dreaming big enough. 684 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,240 Like God, it says, you know, like that the power that raised Jesus from the dead is in 685 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,240 us. 686 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,520 Like if God put that deposit into us, like you shouldn't be dreaming of the thing that 687 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,520 you can do yourself. 688 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,600 Oh, I just want to use, just to use car, Lord, and an apartment, you know? 689 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:33,000 I'm using that as a metaphor, but like dream big, dream God size dreams that like, if God 690 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,600 doesn't show up, it ain't going to happen because those are the moments where you're 691 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,520 just, you find yourself in a miracle. 692 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,240 You find your, your faith is stretched and you've grown and, and you've become the thing 693 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,080 that you dreamt that seed and that's the path. 694 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,400 It's a good work. 695 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,400 It's awesome. 696 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,400 Yeah. 697 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,400 Awesome. 698 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,400 I love the way you phrase things. 699 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,400 I love the way that you put things together and analogies. 700 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,400 I appreciate it when you're on stage, you did the same thing. 701 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,840 This is, this is, this cat can think out of the box, you know what I mean? 702 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,360 And I really appreciate that because it, it lightens the load. 703 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,160 I think it makes more people pay attention. 704 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,160 Yeah. 705 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,560 When you bring something across that they actually have to think about, not something 706 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,120 that's an automatic like, mm-hmm. 707 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,120 Amen. 708 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,120 Yeah. 709 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,120 They go, wait, what did he say? 710 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,120 Yeah, yeah. 711 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,120 All right. 712 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,120 Yeah. 713 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,120 I appreciate you. 714 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,280 I appreciate what you do. 715 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,160 It's nice to finally meet you officially. 716 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,160 Yeah. 717 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,680 Long time watcher, first time talk. 718 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,480 That sounds creepy, right? 719 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,480 I've been watching you a lot for the past couple of years once you know. 720 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,960 Sounds really wrong. 721 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,880 It's a, you know, I really, I really like worshipping with you. 722 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,040 I love your heart behind it. 723 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,280 I love, you know, I'm not a Pentecostal at heart and, and I'm not a hooting and hollerer. 724 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,840 I don't hooting holler at, at sporting events either. 725 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,840 Just not who I am. 726 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,840 Yeah. 727 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,840 Right. 728 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,840 I got you. 729 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,840 But I love watching his people worship. 730 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:45,840 Yeah. 731 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,840 I love watching. 732 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,840 I love when I see people. 733 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:48,840 I don't know why. 734 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,840 I just love seeing them love on him. 735 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:50,840 Yeah. 736 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,840 And, and it just feels really good to me. 737 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,840 Yeah. 738 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,840 It does. 739 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:54,840 Absolutely. 740 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,840 Yeah. 741 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,840 Absolutely. 742 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,840 I love it so much. 743 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,200 I think I say it like literally every week to people, someone in this building, but 744 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,720 it's like teamwork makes a dream work without what you do, without what you do. 745 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:09,520 Like all of us there, even the person who thinks, oh, I just came to just sit there, 746 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,720 you know, at the end of the day, like what, when they raise their hand, it might have 747 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:17,000 moved your heart, you know, so like it is a beautiful thing where we all need each other. 748 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000 It's that body. 749 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:24,160 And when we, when we come together, that's why I love again, the church, like it's Jesus 750 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,160 chose it. 751 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,440 We didn't make it up. 752 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,600 Jesus made this. 753 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,040 And he said, this is my body on the earth. 754 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,320 And I love it too. 755 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,320 God's crazy. 756 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,320 He doesn't have a second string. 757 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,320 He doesn't have a backup plan. 758 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,200 He's not like, hey, angels, get ready. 759 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,360 These guys are really messing up right now. 760 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,880 He somehow is just so confident in us. 761 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:42,880 It's beautiful. 762 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,880 But again, it's when we come together. 763 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,080 Well, you kind of cheat because he knows the end. 764 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,080 That's true. 765 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,080 Right. 766 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,640 So yeah, it is confidence because in the very beginning, he knew what the end looked 767 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,640 like. 768 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,140 He's got all kinds of backup plans. 769 00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:56,240 He's the author and benefactor of all humankind that he knows. 770 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:57,240 He knows what's up. 771 00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:00,000 He's accounted for our stupidity and dumb choices. 772 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,520 When he put me in my mother's room, he said, that boy's going to be a dummy for a while. 773 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,520 He's going to have to be tough. 774 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,840 He put a lot of extra choices and then chances in there for me too, but he made me super 775 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,440 tough because he's not a good learner. 776 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,560 I like it. 777 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,320 So here we are. 778 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,600 So thank you so much for being with us. 779 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,800 If this podcast episode has been a blessing, we are grateful for that. 780 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,480 And we pray that you would share it with others. 781 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,720 And also we have a fundraising campaign to help with expenses such as the editing of 782 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:30,720 the audio. 783 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:31,720 Yeah, yeah, not a joy. 784 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:32,720 We know it's worth that. 785 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:33,720 Yes. 786 00:36:33,720 --> 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