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Hi and welcome to the In The Cortex podcast.

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We are your hosts.

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I'm Poloma Garcia.

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And I am Danny Parakoni.

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And we're the founders of In The Cortex, an online community with programs that show

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people the tools that they need to change their lives, their brain reorganization, no

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medication, just movement.

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When you get your brain out of survival mode and regulate your nervous system, you start

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to live in the fun, logical part of the brain, the cortex.

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Subscribe today and learn how to live your best in the cortex life.

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And now, on to today's episode.

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And today we have an extra special Cortex moment.

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Every morning I do my brain work and I show cortex and I wash it every day.

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Okay.

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I don't have any more meltdowns, so skip the meltdown.

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I stop by my nanny house and I have super salt.

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Yeah, my hair is super long.

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It's like this.

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My mommy can brush my hair and I don't wind.

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Okay.

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When everybody says me to do something, I do it.

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I will ruin my cortex.

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Okay.

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Today, we're going to talk about how to spot a survival brain and what to do about it.

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So we're going to be making what might be making a real neuroscientist in a lab kind

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of cringe right now because we're going to break this down to make it make sense.

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Our goal here in the Cortex is to normalize brain reorganization and doing it from a space

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of really understanding the why behind what's going on in the brain.

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Exactly.

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So let's go over some of our ITC terms.

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When we talk about the ponds, remember if you've listened to some of our older episodes,

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we're talking about that anxiety, fight or flight reactive brain.

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When we talk about the mid brain, we're talking about the part of the brain that's more involved

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in our prioritization, organization, motivation and dopamine creation.

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That all rhymed.

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When we talk about the primitive brain or the survival brain in general, we're talking

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about all of that together along with our primitive reflexes and basically the whole

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structure of the brain and the brainstem that is designed to react and keep us alive.

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We talk a lot about survival mode, but we really want to dive into what does this actually

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mean in our daily life?

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We also share that survival mode is the same thing as saying a dysregulated nervous system

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or a lot of people notice the fight, flight, freeze response and we also have added in

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more recently the fawn response.

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So our goal here is to really break this down so you can understand what that looks like

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in day-to-day living, but ultimately to create more compassion in the world because we're

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all doing the best that we can.

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And there is so much more that we can do and that's what we're here to share with you

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at In the Cortex, but we really want you to understand what does this look like in day-to-day

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living so that way everyone can just kind of normalize that, hey, we're all operating

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from these things and there's no judgment or shame here, but we're just here to spread

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the word of this is what you can do about it and this is what it looks like.

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I think it's important to talk about survival mode and what it actually means, right?

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So it's our brain going into a reactive state where its only goal is to keep us alive.

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And so like we said in a different episode, if you're going to be run over by a car or

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if you're being chased by a saber-toothed tiger, that's great.

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You want that on.

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What happens is a lot of what's going on in our day-to-day life is not life or death.

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These are perceived threats.

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And so our nervous system and our brain is still learning how to adapt to those things,

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especially if our brain is underdeveloped, right?

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And so if we didn't get that movement in that first year of life.

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So that's how we're kind of tying this all together and why this, everything we're going

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to talk about in this podcast is about how it actually shows up in your day-to-day life.

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All of us are probably walking around with some sort of disorganization in our brain

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nowadays, right?

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And there's nothing wrong with that.

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The whole point is to share with people that there are so many things that you can do at

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home.

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So for example, you can go take our quiz.

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It's going to be linked in the show notes.

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You can also find it on our social media and our link in bio in all those places and on

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our website.

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And we suggest you do this before listening to the rest of the podcast because we are

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going to go through like the different neurological profiles that go with that first part of the

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brain, the pawns that I was talking about earlier, which is that anxiety survival mode

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brain, that reactive brain, right?

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And we ask that you take this quiz, you can take it for yourself.

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You can take it maybe for a child, a partner, a friend or ask them to take it.

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And we want to make sure that we're looking at ourselves in the mirror before we're going

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to go, you know, help out anybody, right?

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Cause we're here.

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The whole point of this episode is to learn how to spot a disorganized brain, a brain

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that's in survival mode, but we are in survival mode ourselves.

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It's going to be a little bit harder, you know, to help anybody else.

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So we're all about putting on the oxygen mask before helping others.

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So first go ahead and get an idea of what your brain profile is and then come back to

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the podcast so we can go over them.

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And don't be totally shocked and surprised if you're, or even feeling bad about yourself

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if you're like, Oh my gosh, I just got the results of hot mess express.

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Because I will be very much relating to those people who have those results because that

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was me.

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And that's as Danny, by the way, talking.

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So go ahead and check it out.

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Now we're going to break down the movement piece because our biggest thing here is understanding

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that the way that you move is exactly connected to what is showing up with your results and

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the ones that you just took the quiz for.

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So the movement part, this is fun.

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You can try this out now.

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You can have somebody record you.

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You can have someone watch you and give you the feedback.

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But again, it's humbling.

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It's a very uncomfortable feeling at first because you're like, wow, we're humans.

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We're supposed to be on our feet all the time.

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Why would I get back on my belly?

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That's so weird and so awkward.

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I am not a baby and we're not calling you babies.

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But once you start doing these movements with us and all of our members can attest to this,

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it's just this natural thing that we all just gravitate to.

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So that's our goal here in the cortex is to normalize, laying on your belly and moving

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across the floor even though it feels so weird.

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So we feel comfortable and like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I just did that.

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It felt so weird at first, but then it started feeling really right and like what my body

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needed.

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Yes.

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So here's how you're going to check out where your brain is.

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And remember, we're only focusing on the pawns.

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This is when a baby is developing this part of the brain from zero to five months of life.

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So you're going to lie on your belly and you're going to move across the room.

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It's best to do one slick flooring.

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It's really hard to do on carpet, but if you're in a pinch, you can go ahead and try it just

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to kind of see what your body wants to do.

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And you have to keep your hands in front of you.

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Your chest is down on the floor.

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Your belly is down on the floor.

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And the key part here is move your body any way you want to get across the floor.

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So as you're doing that movement, the person who's watching you or you yourself can tune

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into what does my body naturally want to do?

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Do I naturally have both of my hands moving in front of me at the same time?

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Is my right hand going first and then my left hand is coming after and it's alternating?

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Do I have both of my legs wanting to bend and push?

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And this is kind of giving too much information away on these movements.

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But we want you to tune into what is your body wanting to do.

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So we don't want to give it all away because it is important that you do the movement that's

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natural and so much of our society is so concreted in what's right and having to be a perfectionist

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and oh, there's nothing wrong with me.

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But this is where we get really raw and real here at In The Cortex and we really want you

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to do what felt natural for you.

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Yeah, and Tag us in your videos, if you made a video, tag us on Instagram if you're a brave

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soul, we have so many people that tag us in their videos on TikTok.

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And so we'll stitch your video and we'll do a little assessment and kind of tell you what

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that means for your brain.

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But the reason Danny's talking about not like overthinking about the way that you're moving

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is because these movements are completely reflexive.

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These are movements that babies are naturally designed to do, right?

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When a baby is on their belly, you don't have to like teach them to move their arm and then

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their leg and this and that to start creeping.

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This is called creeping by the way the movement we're doing.

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So that's what we're trying to do is to get you away from that logical part of your brain

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that's always trying to analyze everything and do everything perfectly, which like we've

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all been there and just let your body move the way it naturally does.

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And so that's how we're going to get into a little bit of that along with the quiz.

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I was going to tell us more about your brain, about anybody that's listening or anybody

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you know, because this is all about spotting the brain, right?

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The disorganized brain out in the wild.

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We want to know when people are in survival because we want to know how can we help them

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out and how can we, you know, keep things as calm as possible.

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And if you're listening to that, to this, you probably understand that feeling.

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So the first and I guess the least developed brain profile is what we call in the quiz,

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the hot mess express.

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And all of our results on the quiz are meant to be funny just to take it lightly because

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once again, we understand that the challenges associated with a disorganized brain can be

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so, so hard, almost debilitating to a certain point.

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But that's why we like to give it a little bit of levity and make it fun because the

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truth is this is life.

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We got to live it.

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And this is, you know, we have so many tools that we can use.

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And it's honestly not fun to get the hot mess express breakdown.

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That was me.

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I was a hot mess express.

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I was literally the person that just did everything with such an energy attached that

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people just like looked at me with like the head cock to the side, like, is she okay?

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Is she doing okay?

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And this is no.

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Yeah, right.

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And the answer was no, I am a complete mess.

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Like everything that ever from the minute I wake up in the morning to the minute I go

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to bed at night was just like chaos in between.

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And it wasn't that I wasn't a high functioning person able to do things.

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It just everything was so much harder than it needed to be.

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I was late all the time.

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It was all the things, even though I was able to do so much in life, I was working so much

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harder than I needed to.

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And that's really how we can look at this is are you working harder than you need to.

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So the hot mess express people are working over time.

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Everything that's happening for them is literally coming into them and that survival brain is

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interpreting every stimulus as survival.

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So for example, I'm late to work.

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Oh my gosh, it's survival time.

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I have to cut people off.

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I have to zoom through this light.

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I have to go as frantically as I possibly can.

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And in the process of being that person trying to get on time, number one, you're not getting

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any closer to being at your deadline on time.

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But what you are doing is probably spilling your coffee on your lap or creating some road

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rage situations on the road and then you're sweating and then you just show up to shovel.

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That was 100% me.

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So this person when they get on the floor, they sometimes just can't even move and they

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go, wait, move, huh?

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How?

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They cannot figure out how do I move from point A to point B across the room?

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And then if there are people like you, could be athletes, they can be super coordinated

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and like move all the time, right?

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Like you can be very, very coordinated in your day to day life and then you get on the

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floor and you're like, what?

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I do not know what to do right now.

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And that's what's so crazy.

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So this is not talking about your intelligence.

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This is not talking about anything that's like really you.

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It's just how is your brain wired?

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That's really the key part here.

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So that was me.

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I could not move.

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And if I did move, it was like, it was as if I had no lower half to my body, literally

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pulling myself with both of my hands across the floor.

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So I had no lower body engagement.

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And this comes in different forms too.

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Sometimes people put their feet up in the air.

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Sometimes they do this like squirmy thing and then they take their hands down by their

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side and they're by their hips and they're trying to like shuffle themselves forward.

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So we see a lot of variation within it.

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But ultimately it's the person who's just like unable to figure out how to move.

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So if that was you on the quiz, you just got on the floor.

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Did that connect?

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Did that resonate with you?

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And so then after that, we have the medium we missy, which is kind of when you have one

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It can be the left or the right leg.

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And these are people who do have a little bit more of that foundation, right?

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In the ponds.

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If they have two things on their plate, if there's a deadline and then suddenly something's

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going on in their personal life, or they are hungry or tired or anything else that's kind

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of interrupting whatever they're meant to focus on, that's when they're going to start

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to also go into that fight, flight, freeze mode, right?

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And so the reaction is often the same, it just might be a bit of like turned down a little

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bit, right?

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So they might not be raging for four hours and being like totally, totally like, ah,

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super angry about something, but they will still be the people who are feeling that anxiety.

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They're feeling that reaction.

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And ultimately, actually, this, what this is about is you're reacting rather than responding

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to the world, right?

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Like things that are happening.

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It's just go your brain and your body is going.

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And sometimes you look back and you're like, oh, I didn't mean to, why did I do that?

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That was mean or that was, you know, maybe not the most myself that I've ever responded

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to something.

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And so that probably happens often to these first two profiles.

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No, Danny.

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For sure.

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And I look at it as like, what's your threshold for handling stress?

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So if you are totally understanding, you're like, oh, you just let's set out some of the

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things that I experienced in my day to day life.

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It just means that your threshold, your bandwidth for being able to get through all the things

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that life brings you is very limited.

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And so that's why you go to reaction mode because your brain is going, uh-oh, it's time

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to survive.

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This one stressor is equivalent to my life being in a true life or death situation.

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And this is the key part.

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It's distorted.

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It's not reality.

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And that's why people would look at me in with like their head cocked to the side and

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be like, is she okay?

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Like that's so not what just happened.

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And how many times have we been in those situations where we're hanging out with people?

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We all experience the same stimulus and we all react and respond differently.

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And some people are like over extreme, like a spider crawls on them and they like flail

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around and they're like a hot mess and everyone's just standing there staring at them like,

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wow, that must have been really intense for you.

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And it's true because every person only knows their own profile.

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You only know what you feel like.

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You don't actually, you can't actually go and experience what it feels like to be in

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other people's shoes, you can emphasize as best you can, but you really don't know what

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they're experiencing.

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So that's the key part is understanding that everyone is truly experiencing these things

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at a very real level, but there's a massive distortion happening.

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And then when you get further along this scale here, so as we look at the threshold getting

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more able to handle what's happening in life, we have the next category, which is mildly

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messy.

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And this is what we call the 50%ers.

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These are the people who probably have two legs going and they're able to move across

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the floor.

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I'd say they'd still be getting worked up.

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It's still challenging for their system, but they actually have an understanding of how

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do I move from point A to point B across the room.

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And they are the ones that are able to handle one, two, maybe three things at once before

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they completely fall apart.

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And those, those depend on the stressors.

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So if you're someone who's like, Oh, I've got kids, I have a presentation at work.

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And then all of a sudden a kid gets sick.

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That's like, boom, I'm out.

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I can't deal with this.

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This is too much for my system.

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And then they're screaming and yelling and shortness and you've all experienced that.

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So that's the mildly messy category.

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And the last one is the little messy, which is actually where I started out this journey

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of brain reorganization where you probably are like, Oh, I'm fine.

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I'm not like that at all.

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I don't react ever.

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And actually, once you look at it, you're like, Oh, wait, yes, I do.

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And so a lot of the time when you have, this is like a 75% development.

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So most of the time you actually do have it under control, but what happens, at least

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what I have experienced.

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And what we see in a lot of our members is that there's like an underlying piece of you

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that's always in that fight or flight mode, right?

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So for example, for me, and this is something that I have started to notice very recently

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because we, Danny and I decided to restart our own program from beginnings.

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And I haven't changed feeling these crazy changes in myself and not, I guess I hadn't

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really noticed a lot of behaviors that were very, very much pawns, fight or flight behaviors,

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right?

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So for example, a lot of controlling a lot of like wanting everything to be in exact

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in an exact order and an exact way to happen in a certain time, even like with food, for

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example, it has to be the exact thing that I wanted to eat.

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If not, I'm not going to eat it, right?

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Or if somebody's going to come to my house, I need to know exactly what, when they're

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coming, who else is coming, like anything that's like out of what I planned is not,

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is not, not something I was okay with, right?

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And so I was able to kind of take most of the stressors in my day to day life very calmly.

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And I still am.

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But I didn't notice that it was still part of me that was holding onto also a lot of

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perfectionist tendencies.

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So that's that control piece, right?

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And for a lot of people, it's this, but for other people, it shows up more as disengaging,

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right?

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So, oh, I just don't like to do that.

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Oh, that's just not my thing.

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We all have these moments and we're, we're, we find those compensations, but really it's

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still your brain being like, I know that if I go into that situation where things are

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not fully controlled, where everything's not perfect, my brain's not going to like it.

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And I'm not going to be okay.

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So that's kind of like the way that we figure out how to deal with it.

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So honestly, the people that have the 75 to even the 100% development are really good

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at compensating.

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And a lot of us have figured out the methods that work to not put ourselves in that fight

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or flight mode as often.

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We oftentimes get asked, well, does anyone have a 100% development in any parts of this?

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And the answer is yes, but most people aren't seeking us out.

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Number one, if they don't have any of these challenges, because they're like, that doesn't

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apply to me.

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And number two, we do see, we have seen a couple of brains that have a 100% development, but

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like we mentioned in other episodes, we're living different lives than we ever have lived

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before.

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So the uptick in survival mode is huge.

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We have seen a drastic increase in the responses across the planet now of how people are interpreting

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information.

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Many of you are somebody who is experiencing that, that just all resonated with you.

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Don't forget to tag us in your video, send them to us.

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And really quick, we're just covering the pawns part of the brain, that one part of

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the profile of zero to five months of life.

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We will talk about in another episode, the midbrain, the primitive reflexes and the subconscious

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beliefs.

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Remember the midbrains, the filter, the organizational brain, the reflexes, those are the automatic

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instinctual movements designed to keep you alive in your first year to two years of life.

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And then our subconscious beliefs, those beautiful things, they just follow us everywhere we

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go and something that we have to identify and look at.

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So if none of that creeping stuff made sense to you, don't worry, stay tuned.

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We're coming back for more information on the things I just listed.

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So now we're going to talk about-

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But it might have made sense for somebody to know.

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It doesn't have to be just for you, right?

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So that's what we're going to talk about now.

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And so now here's a big thing and this is something that we get tagged so much on social

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media is what do you do now with somebody who's in their survival brain?

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And we see this all across social media channels where people are losing their minds on going

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to a restaurant, the order got wrong.

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This just happened to me the other day.

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I was at a furniture store and a guy walked up to me, my fiance and then the person helping

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us and he just raged and everyone just sat there stunned and was like, wait, what just

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happened? Why is he so upset?

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Cause he had a weight, something like that.

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It was something like his brain was obviously in that space of taking in information in

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an incorrect way and he went to survival mode.

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And really quick, when we're in that mode, there is no logic available.

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He's in full reaction, full, you know, go for it.

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And we'll talk about that in a second, but there's no logic.

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There's no talking through something.

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There's no looking at the bigger picture, right?

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You're in that moment and all you can see is what's right exactly in front of you and

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what you're feeling coming from your body and your, you know, all the adrenaline is pumping

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through your veins.

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And then people say, what, oh, just calm down.

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And you're like, oh, gee, I didn't think to calm down when I'm in the state, right?

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And then that's when someone usually picks something up and shucks it out your head.

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Like somebody told me the other day, they were telling their friend like, oh, you know,

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she was getting really stressed out.

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So I told her, you know, it seems like you stress out really easily.

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She's like, okay.

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Or someone tells you just like, let's just take a deep breath.

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And when you're in those moments, that's what a lot of the tools in the world are today

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is like, take a deep breath, count to 10, name two things you see, name two things you

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smell, name two things you hear.

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That has to turn into just this habit when it happens.

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Our work in the cortex is helping your brain stay regulated so it doesn't have to go to

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that place.

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So this is really important.

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When you just went and did all those movements, the way you move will share where the brain

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goes.

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So as your brain figures out a more efficient way to move across the floor, that's now a

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sign you have the ability to now just pause and do all these things without having to

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think about it.

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That's such an important piece, but not everyone's fully regulated.

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We know that first.

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And so if you spot a pawns and you see someone dysregulated, if you see that survival mode

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happening in person, number one thing is check in with yourself.

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Are you calm?

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Are you feeling activated?

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Do you need to walk away from the situation because it's turning something on in you?

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And we already know two pawns turns into a brawl.

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So we need to make sure that if you're noticing that and you just walk away and it's, you

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know, just go take care of you, calm yourself down.

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Then you're going to check them.

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Are they how enraged to they seem, right?

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Because remember with you engage you enrage.

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So that's where you want to decide.

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Do I want to get into this or am I not going to?

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Oftentimes the answer is no.

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So what we do is what we suggest is just don't engage with them.

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If this is a small thing, especially when you're talking, for example, with kids, if

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it's a small thing, you can usually still talk to them about it, right?

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If they're still not super upset, but once the person is very, very, very dysregulated

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and they're screaming, they're crying, they're throwing things, whatever that might be for

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each person, boredom is the best way to get back into your cortex.

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So if you stop engaging, eventually they'll come down, right?

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And that's the number one thing because you want to take care of yourself as well, right?

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And getting into that pause, heated argument, trying to calm down, trying to get them, you

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know, touching them and talking to them and trying to get them to calm down, quote unquote,

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is only going to make it worse in the moment.

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So if you're able to remove yourself from the situation, we highly suggest that you

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do that in that case, right?

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When the person is just like really on a different level.

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For sure.

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You cannot be bored and in survival mode at the same time.

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That's really important to know because your brain is looking for the threat, it's looking

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for the adrenaline rush.

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And if it's not there, then your brain just clicks back into cortex mode.

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So parents.

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I know I've been there.

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Like whenever I would have like a tantrum and I was little and they're like, go to your

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room and then 10 minutes later, you forget what it was all about.

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You're like, hey mom, by the way, blah, blah, blah.

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They're like, what is going on with you?

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It's like you forgot right about what happened.

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It's true.

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And honestly, like when you calm yourself down and you got, we have in the show notes

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in a couple of episodes back about doing a brain hookup.

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That is the best way to calm your system down when you see dysregulation happening around

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you, put yourself into a brain hookup and then help calm your system.

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And that's another thing too is you can actually see the physiological changes in a person

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when they go to survival mode.

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Their eyes dilate, you can see the reddening of the skin.

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They're sweating.

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You can see their demeanor change.

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You can just see that like breathing shift into like they're shifting in their chest

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and they're breathing really heavily.

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So that is a really obvious sign that we're in survival mode.

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The next thing we always suggest is when we see someone in that state, we offer a question

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with two options because you have to be in your cortex in order to answer a question.

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You cannot, and that's literally what the brain does, it kicks it into the cortex because

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now it has to process the thought of what's happening.

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If the person's already super dysregulated throwing things across the room, screaming,

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slamming doors, that's not a time to ask the questions.

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That's the time to stay calm.

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If you can tell they're starting to feel uncomfortable and like, ooh, you can feel that feeling coming

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in, that's the time to grab them right before they go any further deep into that survival

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brain.

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Hey, do you want to go out for a walk?

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Hey, do you want to take your jacket with you or do you want to wear it?

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And that's very big and like the love and logic parenting is like offering the two options,

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giving them the choice.

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So they have the autonomy to choose, but then ultimately you're giving that parameter of

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how to answer versus an open-ended question, which is just like, how are you feeling?

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They're like, I don't know.

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I'm feeling I'm upset.

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I'm uncomfortable.

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I don't know.

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I can't answer that.

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So give them something to focus on.

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Yeah.

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And that can be the same thing for adults because with an adult, if you see that they're starting

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to get upset, for example, let's say you're, you're driving somewhere and you missed the

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exit or you took the wrong exit and they're starting to get upset, you can ask them, do

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you think I should take the next one or should we just keep going and see if we can find a

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U-turn and like ask them to participate with you in the problem solving.

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And what you're really doing is helping them understand that there are solutions because

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once again, sometimes the pawns can only see what's right in front of it.

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Right.

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And it's not able and what's wrong and it's not able to zoom out and be like, oh, it's

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actually not the end of the world, we'll just take the next one.

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Right.

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Or that's just one example, but it can be for anything.

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A hundred percent.

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And Paloma and I often, I often share from like the kid's perspective and parenting perspective

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and Paloma always comes in as like, but adults need this too because there's so many dysregulatory

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adults that are like, oh my gosh, a hundred percent.

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So and on that note, if you are working with a child, if you are the parent or if you're

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a teacher or caregiver and you have a child, the best thing to do when you see them going

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into their pawns is to get right in front of them and offer some tactile feedback.

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That means putting your hands on their shoulders.

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You're speaking from a calm space and you're right in front of them.

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When a pawns is really underdeveloped, that means like the hot mess, express people.

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If you are behind them, you don't exist because again, the brain is looking for what's in

508
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,240
front of it, threat, threat, threat, where you at.

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If you're behind me, you don't exist.

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It's important to keep in mind though, if you have somebody who has like tactile sensitivities,

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of course, don't touch somebody that doesn't like being touched if you know that about

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them already, but you can also do that like Denny's saying with an adult.

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Make sure you're standing there and they understand that you're here with them, right?

514
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Because if they're starting to get to that point where they're dysregulated, what usually

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happens?

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If they get to that super, super triggered state that we were talking about earlier, people

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usually kind of get away from them, right?

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So once you start to sense it at a lower level, if you say, hey, I'm here, I'm not going to

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leave because this is probably something they've experienced since they were little.

520
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I have a huge reaction, I have a huge tantrum and everybody leaves.

521
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So that's what I've learned to do, right?

522
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Right.

523
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You push people away.

524
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That brings me to a point.

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It's not here in our notes, but it just made me think of it.

526
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And it's such a major important thing is co-regulation, right?

527
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So when you're calm, you can help someone regulate.

528
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And that's what we're saying here, but there's also just a simple thing of giving someone

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a hug.

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So many times when my four-year-old was having big feelings and big emotions and having a

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survival moment, I would just go up and pick her up and hug her.

532
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And she would at first try to fight it a little bit, and then ultimately she just melt in

533
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my arms.

534
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And we were actually just reading something about the primitive reflexes and how all of

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the grasping reflexes are designed so that babies understand and start to relate touch

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to nurture, caring, safety, food, right?

537
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Like everything that's going to keep them alive, right?

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That's why our skin is intimately connected to our nervous system.

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Just knowing the stuff that we just talked about today is going to help you manage somebody

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or help somebody get through that moment or even just know how to react, right?

541
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Or how to respond, I should say, when you see that somebody's in that fight, flight,

542
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freeze, even fawn mode.

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In the end, the one thing that's actually going to help it so it doesn't keep happening

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is creeping and crawling and reorganizing your brain.

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We keep coming back to this because it truly is the one thing that's going to create lasting

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change.

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And so that's our message here is to help people understand themselves and understand

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people around them.

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And that's where that's how you're going to be able to meet people where they are and

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meet people where you are, right?

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Not have these expectations for yourself that you're supposed to operate in a certain way

552
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when maybe you start to learn about this and you start to do the creep and do the quiz

553
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,760
and you're like, wait, my central nervous system is super dysregulated.

554
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Why do I have these expectations for myself that I have to be at this like calm, stable

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00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,720
state all the time?

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You got to hold space for yourself as well and use some of these tools on yourself, right?

557
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While you're getting that brain reorganization in.

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And I think the biggest part too is now that you start to gain the awareness of what's

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happening within yourself, the world around you, now you can start to discern like what

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is helping you?

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Are you enjoying the patterns you're in?

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Are you seeing that the habits that you do day to day are helping you become your best

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00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,160
and most authentic self?

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Or are you like, I really want to break this pattern.

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I really want to get out of this.

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This is a big piece too is like when we go into relationships, especially if you just

567
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took the quiz, you're like, oh my gosh, my spouse is a job mess express.

568
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,480
I've got to get him to do this.

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00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,880
It's like, no, you can't.

570
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,360
You can never force someone else to do this work.

571
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We tried.

572
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,360
Yeah.

573
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,360
That is true.

574
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,000
We have tried very hard and guess what?

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00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,640
We got nowhere with it.

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So the part is, is like you look at it, okay, that's you, but what can I now go do to take

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care of me?

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I thank everybody for listening.

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Please follow us on social media and tag us in your videos.

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We love getting videos of people creeping and crawling.

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00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,320
It's super fun.

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00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,320
We can give you a little bit of feedback of what's going on in your brain.

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00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,320
We started to get some questions from some of our followers on Instagram about things

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00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,160
they want to listen to on the podcast.

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So if that's you, please reach out.

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We really want to help everybody, you know, spread the word.

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Like we always say, we want us to spread the word.

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The brain can change.

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Please follow us.

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And guess what?

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Yes, we are.

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And yeah, that's it.

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Thanks for being here and we'll see you next time.

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Bye.

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Thank you.

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