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Hi, welcome back to the Cities Reimagined Podcast.

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The show where we discuss all kinds of aspects related to alternative urban futures.

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I'm your host, Johannes Riedler.

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You might be wondering about the intro song of this episode.

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The song is called This Day Is Mine by the band Boys Club and was released back in 2008.

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And my guest this week, Stefan Fugge, is not only an editor for the regional media in Carinthia,

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Austria, but he was also the frontman of the band Boys Club.

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And you will hear more about that, about our backgrounds in alternative music in the interview.

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This episode of the Cities Reimagined Podcast is about the role of local journalism for

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reimagining futures.

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Currently, we see that there's more and more media coverage on climate crisis, the biodiversity

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crisis and related anthropogenic topics in the media.

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However, a lot of the reporting on, for example, climate change scenarios and in how far the

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atmosphere will continue to warm if greenhouse gas emissions are not cut drastically are

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difficult for many people to grasp.

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And it seems to be abstract and oftentimes unrelatable to the everyday life of many.

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Studies show that highlighting the local impacts of climate change is motivational for many

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for behavior change and action.

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On the other side, when people perceive the effects of global crisis as distance and taking

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place somewhere else on the other side of the planet, for example, they might feel powerless

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and disengaged.

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For that reason, the news media can play an important role by framing stories in a manner

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that emphasizes the local perspectives alongside the global scale.

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But is that really the local media's task to do so and what skill sets and interests

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are required to do so?

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Over the last years, I've been talking and exchanging regularly with my good friend Stefan

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Fugger on urban development in Klangfurt and in Carinthia as such.

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Klangfurt is a city which is, I would say, not exactly known for doing things differently

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where there is little culture of shaping urban futures together, a little culture of co-creation

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and not many people seem to challenge the conventional paradigms.

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And it seems very difficult to change things and to steer things up over here.

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Stefan is an editor for the newspaper Regional Media Carinthia, which is a local newspaper

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and news outlet which reaches every household in the region as it gets shipped to every

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household freely.

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They also have a strong online presence in recent years.

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And Stefan increasingly covered very local stories related to climate change and interviewed

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a diverse range of people in the area who are concerned about urban development.

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We recorded the interview in August 2023 in Klangfurt.

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As I'm editing the interview now two days later, the region was hit by the heaviest rainfall

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ever recorded.

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The rain almost hasn't stopped in 48 hours, which caused officials to call for code red.

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And in some parts of the region, almost 300 liters of rainfall per square meter in just

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two days, which caused catastrophic floodings, landslides and avalanches of large masses

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of rocks.

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Streets and buildings have been destroyed and there are a couple of villages in the

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mountains which are completely cut off for days now.

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Nearly across the border to Slovenia, which is only some 30 kilometers from Klangfurt,

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the situation is looking even worse, including human casualties.

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And it's not just over yet.

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And it has a very dystopian feel to it, recording this intro and edit a podcast inside here

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while outside the sirens go off every other minute.

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So the effects of the climate crisis clearly are observable here in the region and it's

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only expected to get worse with rising CO2 levels.

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So it was time for me to sit down with Stefan and find out about the role of local media

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and local journalism in linking this very local effects and this highly complex state

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of human crisis caused by human activity.

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Hey Stefan, it's so nice to be here with you in a basement in Klangfurt.

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How are you doing?

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Oh, fine, thanks.

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I love being in a basement, especially this room with a lot of instruments.

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It reminds me of my youth and my younger days.

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We are in the south of Austria at the moment in a city called Klangfurt and I cannot imagine

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a better room to have this interview in with you.

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So we are very comfortable in a very humid and damp rehearsal room in a youth center

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in Klangfurt.

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Where actually 20 years ago this was a kind of infrastructure for the local punk rock

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and hardcore scene with a lot of concerts where people met and it was a kind of institutions.

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And I'm very happy that we got the key to this rehearsal space from my good friend Mike

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Galishnik from the band Dorkatron, which is really cool.

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And this is also, I have to say Stefan, we know each other for some 20 years due to this

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punk and hardcore scene, which was at its peak, I would say, in the early 2000s.

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And I think you contributed to that a lot by playing in a lot of bands at that time.

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That was at one Störcenter, Anymotion, later on Boys Club.

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But also you organized a lot of concerts yourself with Modeshow collectives and you actually

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run the coolest club in town back then, the Running Sushi Indie Club, which somehow put

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Klangfurt on the map internationally when it comes to the scene, I would say.

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How did being part of this DIY, do-it-yourself ethic or this culture at that time, very

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political subculture shape you and how does it shape your work today?

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Thanks for the roses and thanks for the reminder of the good old times.

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I think it's always dangerous to live in the past.

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So it's great that we are here and we are right now here in a place, in a rehearsal

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place and I think it's very symbolic.

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Three years ago, I was here to report about the change.

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If you think upstairs, there was a concert room, which is now a room for fitness.

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So they changed the whole setting, the space which was a space for punks, metalheads, for

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young bands is gone and now the youth is not interested in concerts anymore, so they made

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a fitness room.

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So it shows that the youth is really interested in being healthy, being in good shape, which

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is a good thing.

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But I think it's also a sign of the time.

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We had this really strong community.

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We had a lot of fun and we had this thinking that we can change something and we can be

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active and create something.

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I think it's always about creating something and that you realize that you can change something.

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How matter where you come from, I come from a middle family and you don't have to be rich

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to organize concerts.

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You can do it and you can publish a record.

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You can do it.

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You just have to be creative and to want it.

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I totally agree.

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And I think this early 2000s was really, at least in Klagenfurt, this was a very special

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time in a way where there were so many people involved in the scene which somehow contributed

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to it and somehow felt empowered to just try things out and experience with things.

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I think it was great.

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What I still take from that time is that you meet someone and you respect him and his opinion,

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that you meet eye on eye and you argue about something, that you have different opinions

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but you still want to just talk and have a good time.

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Today we talk about something else.

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We could do a podcast easily on that time as well and it probably would have some entertaining

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40 episodes, I would say.

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But today we talk about something else and that is very local journalism.

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Can you tell us a little bit about your work in local journalism?

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How is your job, your daily job?

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What do you do?

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Okay.

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My daily job is to report about local news.

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I'm not interested in international news so what Russia is doing doesn't matter to me

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but I can bring an example.

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When the war started against Ukraine, I had this interview with a young woman from

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Ukraine.

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She came to Kerensia and I had an interview with her, how she felt, how the war started

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and it was a very emotional story and I was really touched.

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And so I felt even if you're in Kerensia, in a really safe place and you think you're

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not a war reporter, I'm just a simple journalist, can interview someone who saw this war, who

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felt this war and who experienced this war.

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It was really strange and terrifying.

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It might be the role of good local journalism, if you will, if you break down this very global

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event, where the world is heading to a very local level.

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You just said that by what is going on in Ukraine and Russia, how that translates into

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a very safe place in Kerensia.

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What are the effects, what are the stories behind this global crisis and war to the local

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level in Klagenfurt.

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Climate change has arrived in Europe and especially also in this region so there's almost nobody

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who doesn't see the effects of climate change unless they live under a rock, I would say.

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And how do you perceive these changes in this region, these effects of climate change, biodiversity

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crisis, all these kind of changes in the atmosphere and in the global ecology, how do you perceive

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that?

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Just yesterday I had an interview with an operator of a campsite near Lake Vertasee.

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During heavy rain the roads become impassable.

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It's not a threatening situation but it's rather unpleasant.

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So the guy told me the people are not very amused about this.

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Kids find it funny that the streets are full of water.

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So he wants to ask the politicians, the responsible people, what can they do that it doesn't happen

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again.

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Okay?

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So the heavy rain is resulting, has a negative effect.

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This is a sign of soil sealing and this is really an important topic.

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In my opinion Klagenfurt or the politicians are not aware of these dangers.

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They have to react.

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They have something in common.

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They want to change it but it's too slowly.

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The climate is changing faster than the laws are coming.

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Do you perceive in your work that there is an increasing awareness of these kind of connections?

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For example what you just described, the soil sealing and increased risk of flooding and

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also is there an awareness among not only politicians but in society as such that climate

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change is really going to affect this region and central Europe as well?

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In my opinion as far as I can see it politicians are more aware of it and it doesn't matter

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from which party they come from.

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Whether it's left wing or right wing or middle.

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Poland is part of the EU mission, the 100 climate neutral smart cities so they have

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this tool which is really great.

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They promote this tool but I don't think they do it fast enough.

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And you don't have to forget the citizen.

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The citizen also has a lot of responsibilities and ways of acting and changing.

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As far as I see the citizen is not aware of it.

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Yeah, what you just described, just for those who are not very familiar with this EU mission,

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so the EU mission on climate neutral cities is 100 cities across Europe have been selected

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to who have a high ambition to become climate neutral by 2030 which is like in seven years.

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And it's very challenging or a very ambitious target I would say.

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I would totally agree that it's essential to take the people, the residents and whoever

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uses the city aboard of this transformation because in the end it touches everybody's

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life.

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But do you have some ideas how you could break that, not you personally but how that could

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be, how citizens or residents could be made more aware of this need to change towards

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or transform towards climate neutrality and how that connects in the end also to this

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extreme weather events which we see at the moment?

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That's a really hard question.

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Right now citizens are too lame and they are not willing to change their lives so it's

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very uncomfortable to leave their car at home and use the bicycle.

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I do it for myself so I don't accept myself from this.

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I'm also very lame.

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I think the best practice shows how the mindset is still missing is that we have this project

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where the street to the station apart of 60 meters from this street was closed for cars.

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Politicians didn't make it to convince the people that this is space, that this is valuable

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space where they can dance, where they can hang around, where they just have a cup of

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coffee.

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They had tables where people could work.

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The people had this chance but they didn't realize the chance.

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Nowadays I have more this outside looking in look onto Klagenfurt so I don't get the

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details.

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I just see a little bit what is happening and what is changing and how the ambitions

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change and what is happening in the public space.

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But what I think is missing often times, not only in Klagenfurt, is a common vision, a

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common goal which is co-created with the people living in the city.

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We want to achieve this and this will be great for our city.

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Having a plan, going in a certain direction and taking everybody or whoever wants to be

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on board, there will always be people who will not be on board and that's fine.

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That's democracy.

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But co-creating something with the people, common vision where you can work towards.

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Do you have some ideas how urban development can be communicated better to residents and

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how they can be taken on board of this process?

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That's really a hard question.

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I can tell you that the politicians of the city Klagenfurt presented an urban development

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concept.

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They have this concept which is called urban development concept 2025, which is in two

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years.

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So, I guess people are willing to change but they don't understand.

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They don't get the message how to create a positive effect for the city.

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Yesterday we had this news about a star.

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Everybody knows him.

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But I can see that it didn't resonate so well.

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Did not many people open the story?

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It wasn't very successful.

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Two hours after that I published an article on our Facebook site about an IT company.

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They are planning to rebuild a location which is more than 200 years old.

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They said they don't want a new building on the Green Meadow.

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They want an old building.

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Four buildings have monument protection.

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They are really in catastrophic shape.

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I saw that a lot of people resonated to this article.

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So we reached more than 10,000 people with this article.

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So I see that people are interested in how can resources be reduced.

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Because when this company goes this way, they don't have to consume so many resources.

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We know all that resources.

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So many resources are wasted from the building.

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I think this is a good way.

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A modern company shows us there is a way and that you can reconstruct old buildings.

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I think this is a very good example.

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This building, I think it was from the monarchy.

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A horse stable and storage for the food for the horses, if I remember correctly.

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And it has been vacant for 17 years.

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Homeless people lived there.

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They destroyed a lot of infrastructure.

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But he has his plan.

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But it's great because also the fact that so many people opened the stories shows that

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they're interested in what is happening in their immediate surrounding.

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So they're more interested in the redevelopment of this building than on Prince being on vacation

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in the city.

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And this also translates to what you said earlier that there is this climate crisis

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and the effects of the climate crisis.

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And I think this is a very interesting point to how local media can make this connection

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between these global effects which somehow materialize in a very local space and what

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can be done.

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How can you redevelop vacant buildings in a way that they consume less resources, less

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space, less green space and so on?

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It's really, really, I think it's the politicians, they have to bring the message better in.

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The concept is great, but nobody understands this concept.

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You have to be an urban developer.

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You have to be just like you.

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You are into these kind of stories.

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But the citizen doesn't know it.

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They just want to see how they can make ends meet.

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What do you think is the role of local media to reimagine cities and region and overcome

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this non-sustainable status quo?

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I'm asking this question because we know that there is not any more information deficit

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on climate change.

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Nobody knows basically that we need to transform.

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How can local journalism spread knowledge and also inspiring stories of change and transformation

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to a larger audience?

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That's a really good question and perhaps you get something wrong.

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I don't see myself as someone who wants to influence someone else.

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That's not my role.

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As a media we have to publish stories which are interesting to read.

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But I think you kind of do.

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You bring these inspiring stories.

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You get them out there.

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I can tell you a lot of examples.

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We already talked about this before we recorded this.

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I was at a press conference to the urban development concept.

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After that I wanted to make a photo with the two politicians and it was a really great

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space under the trees.

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But it was hard to make a photo because there were so many cars parking there.

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And so I wrote this in the first sentence so that everybody sees that the city is not

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ready to reduce the car.

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And we have this concept but we are not ready.

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We have to change.

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And I absolutely love that line of yours to this article.

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Do you think local media should be more critical when reporting about local news and local

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urban development projects?

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Of course.

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That's our responsibility.

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I have to admit that sometimes we, especially me, are not too critical.

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I have this example.

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There is this rural community.

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We know that in small villages stores are closing.

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People move away.

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So I heard about a new building project.

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I found out that it was a supermarket.

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But the supermarket was not located in the center of the village.

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It was five kilometers away.

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I didn't get it.

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I asked the mayor why is this new supermarket five kilometers away?

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He said it's fine.

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Yeah, these ideas.

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I don't know.

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It is the situation where you show like, okay, the city or the town has an ambition but what

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they are doing is the complete opposite of implementing that vision.

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I think there's a lot of time this is happening, especially when you think about zones and

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space which is sealed.

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They don't want it but in fact they do it.

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I totally agree with you.

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I think it would be great or is an important aspect of local media to show these contradictions

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what is between visions and reality.

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I find that a very fascinating and interesting aspect of what you just said, task of local

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media.

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Not only bringing the stories but actually making these connections between different

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new segments and developments.

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But of course it also requires from whoever is writing the stories to make these links

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and be aware of this great larger picture maybe in which these stories are embedded

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in.

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And also you have to be an expert in rezoning.

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You have to be an expert in how zones are developed and which laws are at hand there.

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So this is not an easy thing.

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Sure.

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It's hard.

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We have a lot of times we have this topic about rezoning.

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You can't rezone an area if there is a zone for building infrastructure.

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It is.

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You can't bring it back.

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So first politicians, some are starting to rethink.

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They see the value from space because I think 30 years ago, 40 years ago they were like

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we have to rezone so many spaces.

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But nowadays they are starting slowly to realize which.

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I think so too and I think it will only come, at least that's my hope.

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I'm an optimist so I hope they recognize that sooner than later that by changing zoning,

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especially in this region which has suburbanization of every small town, eats into the landscape

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like cancer.

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It is really crazy here I would say.

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Which triggers all these other effects like the dependency on cars and a lot of other

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problems related to that.

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Where do you see local media go from here?

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What is the vision for your work on the newspaper for the next 10 years?

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Local media can do one thing.

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They can bring topics into discourse.

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They can make people talk about something.

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They can make people regard something.

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I think that's our role.

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To show the possibilities, to show new ways.

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New ways, how can we change the world, how can we change the city.

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For me I'm really interested in how the city is changing and how a city or a rural area

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can change in a positive way.

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Coming back to our punk and hardcore background, I really have the feeling that the subculture

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we were part of in the early 2000s was banning boundaries.

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There was such an active scene and an ecosystem really where many people contributed in one

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way or the other and put this small and very sleepy town on the map nationally and internationally

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when it comes to punk and hardcore.

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How do you perceive the role of Klangfurt culturally in a region which is very reactionist,

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traditional and I would also say not too welcoming for change and transformation.

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I would love to see a spirit again like the one we had in the early 2000s where it seemed

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like anything is possible at least in the subculture.

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You just experiment, you inspire other people, you get your classmates into this and you

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have something to strive and to work out on the go.

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I think these days are over and we have to accept it.

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But as far as I can see the youth, they are very interested and they are very emotional

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and they are very clever and they want to change some things.

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But I think they are, I can't explain it.

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Perhaps they are afraid.

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Perhaps they are not angry enough.

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I miss something, some kind of anger.

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Aggressive anger because punk and hardcore is very aggressive.

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It's full of anger and this is a power you can take and this fascinates me from my youngest

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days on.

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As far as I can see the youth nowadays is very comfortable.

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Perhaps they are a little bit too comfortable and they should feel this anger.

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Bringing that back to climate crisis and biodiversity and that kind of discussion that there is

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a lot of climate anxiety increasingly, especially in young people who feel robbed of their future

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potentially.

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That brings us back somehow to, at least to me, to very local newspaper reporting.

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Because you break down again what we discussed already, these global trends, these challenges

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into very local ground.

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Because climate anxiety often comes with feeling hopeless and feeling not knowing what strings

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to pull and how to connect to a certain topic.

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But local media can break it down to young people or also older people to make it somehow

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tangible, to somehow make it in Germany, I would say, ungräfbar.

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It's also our, when we talk about the future, how can we reach young people and how, I just

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want to tell young people that they can write us.

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Every young citizen can write me an email and say there's something going wrong.

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And you're a father of two, right?

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How angry are your kids in general?

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My kids are not angry at all.

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I think they're very interested.

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They are interested in climate change.

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They're interested in politicians.

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What age are they in now?

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Eleven and thirteen.

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You know, with the older one, I love to watch tip.

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Tip, yeah.

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That's the national news on TV.

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And when something about politicians is coming, my older son is really, really, it's exciting

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for him.

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Yeah, that's cool.

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That brings us to the last question of today.

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And I would say almost the most important question of this interview.

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What are the top three punk and hardcore songs to change the world?

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Okay, it's really, really hard for me.

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Okay, the first one is Black Flag, Rise Above.

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Yes.

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The second, I would say it's a Dead Kennedy song because Cello Piafra, for me, is such

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a smart guy.

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When I read about him and his opinions, it also changed me.

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I think it's Holiday in Cambodia.

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And the third one is a cover version.

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I love Sick of It All, We Stand Alone.

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And they cover Betray from Minor Threat.

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It's hard for me to just mention one song, but I love whole albums.

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I think this We Stand Alone, Sick of It All album is so great because it's this anger

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I was talking about, this positive anger which can create something.

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Yeah, that's great.

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Thank you so much, Stefan, for your time and willingness to talk to me in this very damp

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rehearsal space.

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It's really cool.

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Thank you so much.

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If you feel angry about something in Klagenfurt, send an email to Stefan.

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He might take it.

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Don't be shy.

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He might take it up.

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Thank you so much.

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I say thank you.

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That was my chat with Stefan Fugger from Regionale Media in Carinthia.

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If you liked this episode, please subscribe to the series Rematch podcast to not miss

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any shows in the future.

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I would absolutely love to hear from you.

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Please get in touch with me via the Cities Rematch and social media channels or via email.

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That is johannes at anthropocene.city.

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To play you out of this episode, here's another song by one of Stefan's projects.

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This one is by Der Schwarze Spam and the song is called A Ministry of Reconciliation.

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I highly recommend that you check out the other work of Stefan, also of the band Boys

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Club.

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Besides many things, Klagenfurt is known for its very notorious dark, gray and foggy

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winters.

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So if you ever happen to be in the city between, let's say, mid-October, end of October and

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mid-February and you walk the streets and it's foggy, make sure you listen to Der Schwarze

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Spam because I think it captures the feeling you get from walking the streets perfectly.

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This was all for today.

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I hope you enjoyed the episode.

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It has been produced, edited and recorded by myself, Jannis Riegler, and I hope to catch

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you soon.

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Don't look into my eyes.

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I have come to see darkness.

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Don't look into my eyes.

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I feel sorrow.

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I am selfish.

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Don't look into my eyes.

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I have come to see darkness.

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Don't look into my eyes.

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I'll tell you lies ain't it fun?

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And I know what I've done.

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Don't look into my eyes.

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I'll tell you lies ain't it fun?

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And I know what I've done.

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Don't look into my eyes.

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I'll tell you lies ain't it fun?

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And I know what I've done.

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Don't look into my eyes.

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I'll tell you lies in the fog and I know what I've done

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Don't look into my eyes

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I'll tell you lies in the fog and I know what I've done