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See, I believe that all the mysteries of the

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universe, all the answers to life's questions can be found in a Spielberg film.

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I’d been afraid for all of my life. Why doesn’t

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somebody just shoot me in the head? Right up

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until the day I knew my life was ending. You

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look bad. No, man. You smell bad. I'm pretty

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fucking far from OK. Really, I feel like I'm sharing

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a very— Look at my shit. I had an affair— Precious

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moment with you. There are no nations. There are

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no peoples. Are you threatening me, dick? You

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don't approve. Fake. Well, too bad. Totally fake.

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Did it seem fake— You look like a damn crackhead —

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When my best friend was bitten in half in front of me. I found

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The story I personally embarrassing myself. Plenty of sausage and pepperonis. Everything

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but the little fishies. Welcome to Everything

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But the Little Fishies. Welcome. I'm Evan. I'm

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Mike. And today we're going to get into the filmmaker

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Bernardo Berlucci, a couple of his epics, the

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first being 1900. Novecento. Novecento, yes.

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1976, the five -hour and 17 -minute epic. And

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then after that, we'll talk about The Last Emperor,

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which is his other epic from 1987. That one's

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nearly three hours, but yeah. It feels short

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in comparison. Feels short in comparison, yeah.

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As does pretty much everything. I think 1900's

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the longest one that I've seen. I mean, eliminating

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miniseries and whatnot. I think it's even longer

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than Until the End of the World. Yeah, I mean,

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I know we've looked this up before, like what

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are the longest movies? And, you know, depending

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on what you qualify, you know, there are movies

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that are days long and weeks long officially

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and shit like that. But if you really want to

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talk about just like a watchable piece of cinema

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that you could theoretically do in one day, this

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is probably like pushing the max. These are both

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kind of in the tradition of Gone with the Wind

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or something. It's that historical, epic sort

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of thing. I guess The Last Emperor less so because

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it's actually just a biopic. I mean, you're going

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to spend half your day at the cinema with an

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intermission so you can stretch your legs and

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use the bathroom and all that kind of stuff.

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And it's not slow cinema. It's not like a thing

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where the point is the length and the slowness

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or anything. It's just a conventional film that

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happens to be five hours and 17 minutes. Yeah,

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it's just a lot of movie. It tells a lot of story.

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It does a lot of characters. It has both micro

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and macro storytelling. So I guess that's just

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we're getting into 1900. But specifically 1900,

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I had a lot of thoughts after finishing this

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movie. I spent three nights watching it. You

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know, I didn't watch it in one sitting. All right,

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and this was your first time. Yeah, my first

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time watching it. I think the first night I did

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like two hours, then I watched another two hours

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the next night, and then like whatever the rest

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of it the third night. And I thought it was a

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really enjoyable way to watch the movie and digest

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it because like the movie has a kind of three

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-act system. It's very well made. And you're

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right, it's not slow cinema. It moves. It's very

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entertaining. It just almost is kind of three

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movies. Yeah, it almost is just kind of three

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movies, exactly. So you kind of start with...

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And it was released as two movies, right? Originally,

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the Italian version was the full version, released

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in two parts, part one and part two. And then

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the U .S. version was edited instead of the NC

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-17 one that the full cut would have been. This

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one was cut down to be an R -rated version, and

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it was 243 minutes long, so under four hours

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long. or about four hours long okay yeah i mean

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that makes sense um so the restored version was

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released in 93 with an nc -17 in the united states

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got you so the u .s the five hour is an nc -17

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that makes a lot of things clear because one

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thing i was thinking is like i couldn't really

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understand why this movie wasn't really mentioned

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in the same breath as like the godfather or other

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epics like the deer hunter lawrence of arabia

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or something like my initial impression is like

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i really like this movie i thought it was incredible

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i was like tempted to give it a perfect score

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after my first viewing the movie it was like

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very clear i was watching magic happen on the

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screen like an incredible deniro performance

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an incredible uh gerard day part two performance

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and whatever like really just like incredible

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artists on the screen and the practicality of

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it, the epicness of it, the amount of actors

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and extras and real production value, money on

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the screen, the length, the amount of film burned,

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just like the locations. I think there's even

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a pretty huge thank you note right at the beginning

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to the town. It's almost like what we were talking

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about with Zardoz where a production comes to

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a pretty small place and kind of like... really

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moves in so to speak but i don't know apparently

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at the time um that he was shooting 1900 around

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the corner pasolini was shooting sallow and um

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apparently the crews played uh played football

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against each other It was a crew -on -crew football

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game. And by football, I mean obviously soccer.

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That's pretty fun. That was a movie that we almost

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talked about within the context of this conversation.

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I think we almost paired 1900 with Salah, right?

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Yeah, I was thinking about it. But anyway, what

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you were saying about the release and everything,

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it probably does have a lot to do with the fact

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that this just got a sort of botched American

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release. You know, a lot of these movies, I feel

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like... Sure, I mean, same with Once Upon a Time

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in America, right? Exactly. These movies have

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to come up in the culture in a certain kind of

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way. Why isn't this talked about like The Godfather?

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No, exactly. I would say that 1900 and Once Upon

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a Time in America are almost, like, edgier in

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certain ways that most people can't handle. Like,

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what's weird is that, like, you know... Certainly,

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yeah, yeah, both. We have a way of accepting

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violence in a way that... easier than other things

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so people can like accept the deer hunter as

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a great one even though it has like some pretty

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awful disturbing violence in it that should be

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gut -wrenching but like you know 1900 has like

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little kid penis in it and like a lot of um i

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mean semi -erect too right Semi -erect. Yeah,

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like semi -erect little kid's penis. It's a little

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bizarre. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and I think,

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you know. Which, you know, you could just say

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is naturalism, right? Like it's just sort of,

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it's innocence on display. Yeah. If you look

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at every single Bertolucci movie, there tends

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to be this pattern, you know. Yeah. So it does,

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there's something inherently perverse about.

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Bertolucci. There is. He's not afraid to... His

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relationship with childhood. Sure. Bertolucci,

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like, I haven't seen as many of his films as

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you. I'm still getting into him, and it's taken

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me a while to kind of, like, appreciate him.

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I can't even remember, like, what other ones

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I've seen. Probably more than I think at this

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point. Last Anger you really loved, I'm pretty

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sure. Even more than I did. Yeah, yeah. I feel

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like the only movie of his I was aware of was

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Last Tango in Paris, but I eventually got around

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to seeing The Conformists and The Dreamers. Which

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also really pairs with this movie. you know,

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very directly. The conformist does. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. And, um, I saw La Luna, which was very

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uncomfortable for sure. Very kind of like, maybe

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my favorite. I fucking love that movie. This

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is sexuality. Like all of these very perverse.

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And I understand why people either don't like

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them or even have a problem with them exist.

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Like, you know what I mean? Like a lot of these

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movies seem to have like a pedophilic nature

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or like a inappropriate age relationship or,

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you know, even in La Luna's case, incest. And,

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um, rape like a lot of these things are in his

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movies and like but i mean but it's it's every

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single type of perversion or sexuality or something

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to the point where like yeah i almost like give

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him a pass or it's just kind of like oh of course

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he's creepy about that because he's like also

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creepy about like the grass and like everything

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you know what i mean like every single thing

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is something that makes bertolucci horny so like

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it's weird when like there's a kid on screen

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but like It's less weird when it's like Gerard

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Depardieu and Robert De Niro. And it's less weird

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when it's Dominic Sanda and you know what I mean?

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Well, you know how in 1900 there's the uncle

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character who's an artist and he's like taking

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those photographs of the naked boys or whatever.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. It's like, I feel

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like that's Bertolucci. You know, it's kind of

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like this thing of like, I'm a liberal and like

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I'm... I'm for the left and like the communists

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and whatever, but I'm also like kind of problematically

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liberal. Like my perversions and my inclinations

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all kind of pour out and I kind of have a like,

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you know, and he has a lot of money and whatever.

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Yeah. Yeah. But, but at the same time, like Bertolucci

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is a guy who is not trying to write a defense

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of his perversions. No. He's always examining

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and criticizing himself. That's the thing. Maybe

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he's indulging in his perversions in the making

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of these movies or whatever. The only sort of

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story I've heard in that respect that's negative

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is the Last Tango story, which... Yeah, where

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maybe the whole butter thing wasn't planned and

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kind of jumped on Maria Schneider. Right. I mean,

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she was cast in 1900 for a while, too, in Novacento,

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and then was fired and replaced with Stefania

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Sandrelli, who's my favorite, but I love her.

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Yeah, it was not like that was the end of their

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working relationship. I don't need to get into

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the defense of Bertolucci and her stories over

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the years or whatever. We've talked about this

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in other podcasts, like just problematic things

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happened in a very like loose liberal. free environment

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where like, you know, I think we might've said

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this in one of the Pixar episodes, but you take

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the good with the bad, essentially, if you're

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going to have like a very liberal, free environment,

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magic happens, all this really amazing stuff

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happens, but also problematic things happen too.

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And things slip through the cracks without accountability

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and whatever, you know? Right. But I mean, there's

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not stories about lack of accountability on 1900

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and there's not stories about lack of accountability

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on The Last Emperor or any of his other movies

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that really do kind of seem like they could be

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problematic. Like, you know what I mean? So the

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point is, I think that a lot of these are perverse.

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I guess there's like a bigger conversation to

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be had about this these days when it comes to

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just like art and especially displaying like,

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you know, new children in art or like how, you

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know, appropriate is to take like pictures of

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your children in the bath anymore or whatever.

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And maybe it was just like some cultural moment

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where that was okay. Like, I don't know. It's

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like, these things have gotten more like weird

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and tricky, you know? And there's like that Bill

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Burr thing where he's talking about how he loves

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kids, but if like, he just can't talk to them

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anymore. Cause he'd seem like a creep talking

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to kids like out at the park or whatever. And,

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um, when I look at a lot, like when I go into

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a museum and I look at a lot of art from like

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the early 1900s or like the late 19th century,

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you see a lot of naked kids and you see like

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nudity and you see like an acceptance of like

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a lot of animalistic things and violence and

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whatever, you know, like there seems to be like

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an acknowledgement of, um, the perversion of

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nature, or maybe it's not even a perversion.

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It's just like an acknowledgement of nature.

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And the perversion is more of the covering up

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or the not acknowledging of it or whatever. Like

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I found the seam, I found all the penis related

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scenes between the boys to be very innocent and

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very real and like absolutely something that

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boys. do right right right and like and something

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that you haven't seen the whole thing comes up

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like i think bertolucci's films are very like

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fine art in a way like i don't know how else

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to explain it they feel like movies that should

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be like hanging up in museums you know and they

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have like the timelessness and permanence of

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something painted from that time you know what

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i mean like there's something about it that's

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really really just like It is of a time that

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is not burdened by all these conservative ideals

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and whatever. There's an innocence to it that's

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beautiful that doesn't feel super perverted in

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the way that he portrays all these things, to

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me, in the way that you don't feel perverted

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looking at fine art. They also often start with

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a piece of art, right? Yeah, it starts with a

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piece of art of, I guess, presumably the older

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family, like the last generation or maybe the

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younger. I thought that was like a piece. It

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might be a piece, I don't know. Yeah, so it's

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Giuseppe Pellizza de Filippo's The Fourth Estate.

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It's an oil painting made between 1898 and 1901

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and depicts a moment during a labor strike when

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workers' representatives calmly and confidently

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stride out of a crowd to negotiate workers' rights.

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So it's a piece of communist art. But The Last

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Tango in Paris also starts with a piece of Francis

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Bacon as well. So at least both of those movies

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start with a piece of art. The Last Emperor does

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not, I don't think, does it? No, it does start

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with a montage of some Chinese imperialist art

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and architecture. Wow, okay. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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So yeah, the idea that these are movies that

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are to be hung in a museum, he's kind of specifically...

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referencing like that type of, you know, painting

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art. He is really dealing in that romantic period.

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I mean, I don't know if we call it romantic.

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It's not like literally the romantic period,

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but just like that, that is a time of great change.

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The end of the 19th century, the industrial revolution

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into the early 20th century. And, um, a lot of

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the movies of his I've seen, like he seems to

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be a very politically minded filmmaker. Um, he

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seems to often talk about fascism and socialism

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and definitely. Yeah. I mean, he started with

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Godard, right? Like he started as a, as a pupil

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of Godard's and it was with the conformist that

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he sort of left Godard, I think. Yeah. The conformist,

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which is a, it's a great movie, but it was not

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Godard style. Yeah. It was a departure from,

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from the sort of overt, you know, Well, it's

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what he would have called fascistic, its style,

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right? Like, it's seductive. It's beautiful.

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Like, they're very, like, the colors are lush.

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They look real. They're romantic. They're romantic.

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They look like paintings. Yeah, they're gorgeous.

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And, yeah, there is just, like, such an innocence

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to them. And it's interesting, too, because,

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like, a movie like 1900, I feel like I kind of

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get Bertolucci's political leanings, but 1900

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feels very fair in a lot of ways. Like, I know

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there is, like, there's no read of the movie

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that's, like, maybe there's some good to fascism

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or something. But, like, the tragedy of the movie

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is, like, De Niro's character, Alfredo, kind

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of allowing the fascism to take over. Like, we're

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not really surprised by Attila. He's basically

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Amon Goth. Yeah, I mean, to a certain extent,

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yeah. I mean, he shows, like, a very, very brutal,

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boorish side to fascism. Like the fact that he's

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like a guy who can climb up the ranks and like

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get any power at all because he's a total pathetic

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piece of shit. That's the thing that's really

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highlighted about his character is that like

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he exerts power in a way that's very, very like

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manic and crazy. And it makes him seem very,

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very terrifying. Like he like kills that cat

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by headbutting it into the wall. Very bizarre,

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but also very, like, okay, like, don't fuck with

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this guy then. Like, that's kind of, like, what

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the fuck? You know? And, like, the way he kills

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that child, too, so you have, like, that very

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fucked up pedophilic scene, which, like, he doesn't

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show it, but, like, you know that Attila and

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Regina, like, totally just, like, fuck that kid

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together. And, like, I don't know, they're so

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drunk on the adrenochrome that he, like, has

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to, like... swing the kid around. It's such a

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fucked up and weird scene, dude. That scene and

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the scene in The Conformist are both so disturbing

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and connected. He's such a guy that's got an

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auteur theory take where he has the same scene

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in all these different movies. It's basically

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the same scene, but way more intense than the

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thing that Game of Thrones just does at the end

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of the first episode. Yeah, it is. It's the first

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episode of Game of Thrones. took it from this

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exactly yeah it did or like martin did because

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he wrote it in the book or whatever but right

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it's way more intense and fucked up and very

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bizarre like the thing of just like swinging

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the kid around and smashing his head against

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the wall it's so fucking like after realizing

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that they raped this kid and he's like just trying

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to get away and he grabs him and then he like

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like baseball bats him against the wall like

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it is so like horrifyingly brutal and sick you

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know like i don't know there's something about

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that that was just like man dude does it go hard

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yeah it really does there's only like a couple

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of scenes like that that go that hard there's

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that scene in the you know little makeshift prison

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there during the silent republic kind of era

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but that's basically it there's not that much

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violence in the movie until i guess the end but

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that's just against the fascists No, but everything,

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everything in it feels like, cause like at the

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beginning you don't got violence, but you got

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like the literal nakedness of the children relationship.

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Everything feels intimate. Everything feels like

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real, but it's also kind of the most brutal and

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honest and in your face depiction of all these

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things. I mean, I think that's one of the most

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interesting things is how intimate it all feels.

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I mean, obviously this all takes place on one

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sort of farm and everybody does know each other,

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but like, that's, I don't know if you're, if

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you're going to tell the story of, you know,

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the son of the landowner and the son of the farmhand

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you'd think they'd be sort of at odds or something

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and the idea that no no they're just kind of

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in love with each other like is so much cooler

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like they like intimately know each other and

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have this deep loving connection that's super

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important for both of them and stuff and continues

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in the end eternally you know what i mean like

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the end is so great the ending is amazing yeah

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i'm with them pulling each other and whatnot,

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fighting. The ending really lends to a surreal,

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a surreal nature. It becomes French New Wave

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again. Yeah, it becomes French New Wave. Yeah,

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it's very, very surreal. He circles back. There's

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the point when Omo breaks the fourth wall and

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starts just like literally talking to the camera

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about the rising fascism and how you need to

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look out for blah, blah, blah. It's like, it

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just becomes a French New Wave film. Sure, I

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mean. Almost even like. Charlie Chaplin. Yeah,

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Chaplin, exactly. Yeah, machine men with machine

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hearts. Machine men with machine minds. Yeah,

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that's what's really interesting, too, is that

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we talk about films from this time as if there

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was some sort of awakening to the dehumanization

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and stuff like that that was going on, especially

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since the late 19th century, right? It's like,

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yeah, Chaplin was already talking about this

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in modern times. It was already very evident

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to the people going through it. And I feel like

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that narrative... It's like what was buried by

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the people who won out, the capitalists and the

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fascists and whatever. The connection of capitalism

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and fascism, the connection of industry and fascism.

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Yeah, this goes back to our conversation with

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Heavy about Willy Wonka and Schindler's List.

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The idea that World War II didn't really end.

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It's just that the power center of fascism kind

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of shifted. Which really is the idea that World

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War I didn't really end. And it's World War II

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and World War I were the same war that is still

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going on now. Well, it's like the idea that the

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wars have beginnings and ends. Like, I mean,

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basically we always live with the consequences

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of the war afterwards and nothing's ever truly

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settled, right? Like nothing's ever truly settled.

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It is just a momentary peace. Like we were talking

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about the Hoppers episode. Things change. That's

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one of the things I think is interesting about

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19... I'd really like to call it Novacento because

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I hate the title 1900. Yeah, 1900. Because it

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implies that it's about the year 1900. But it's

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about the early century. It's the new century.

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It's supposed to be 20th century. It's just that

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in Italian you call that 19 -cento. So if we

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called it... 19th century then it wouldn't sound

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right because that would mean the 1800s it's

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like but we want to call it novacento because

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it's 1900 like it's stupid they should just call

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it 20th century the move this is the movie that's

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called 20th century and it's like the perfect

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movie to be called that you know what i mean

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yeah i guess i guess the title 20th century is

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kind of like yeah i don't know like novacento

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means the century that starts with 1900 Yeah,

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exactly. Which is like, we call that the 20th

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century. Yeah, but it is also only about half

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the century. It only kind of goes up to like

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the 50s, I think. But I think that's the point,

00:21:06.019 --> 00:21:09.799
is like, it's the same thing still. Like, I mean,

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first of all, it was only 1976 when this came

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out. Yeah, it was only 1976. Yeah, exactly. This

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is recent memory for these people. Italians in

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the 70s, this is recent memory, all this stuff.

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So from the 70s perspective, this is the story

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of the 20th century. It really is crazy to think

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about how fast stuff changed and how it wasn't

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that long ago that entire families... That there

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were kings in Italy. There were people who owned

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entire families who tended their land. And what

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changed after World War I and after World War

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II and after... Not really that much, actually.

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Not really that much. Today, the Padrone lives,

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you know what I mean? No, yeah, the Padrone lives,

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man. Exactly. I mean, the end of this movie is

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so brutal. Dude, the Padrone lives, but the Padrone

00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:00.859
hates himself. Yeah. The Padrone lays his head

00:22:00.859 --> 00:22:04.380
on the track. Yeah, yeah. While the laborer laughs

00:22:04.380 --> 00:22:07.680
and drinks a bottle. watching him you know i

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mean almost just dying the same way that his

00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.920
dad died you know what i mean yeah his grandfather

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didn't they all commit suicide his dad nobody

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knows who his dad is he's just his dad is one

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of the other farmers his mom says of course i

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know because if i didn't who would and then everybody

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laughs i was talking about okay fucked by all

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the farmers No, no, no. I wasn't talking about

00:22:31.230 --> 00:22:34.069
Olmo. I was talking about Alfredo. Alfredo's

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grandfather was the padrone when he was born.

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Alfredo's grandfather hung himself in the barn.

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And then Alfredo's father took over. And I think

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he also died in the barn, but did he kill himself

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or did he get killed? Okay, he also killed himself.

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Basically, he's told that he collapsed in the

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barn, but that could be euphemism. You know what

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I mean? I remember that Alfredo... Either he

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died in the cow shed or he died in cow shit.

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Which one did it say? Because you said you watched

00:23:06.670 --> 00:23:09.650
it with subtitles, right? Well, I remember that

00:23:09.650 --> 00:23:12.670
Olmo said he died in the cow shed. When I watched

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it, I wasn't sure if he said in the cow shed

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or in cow shit because it sounds so similar,

00:23:15.869 --> 00:23:19.549
but I guess the subtitles say cow shit. But it's

00:23:19.549 --> 00:23:22.460
all about... Milk and blood and shit in the brain.

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Alfredo walks in on Olmo taking his father's

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gun out of the study or whatever. And then Alfredo's

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kind of just like, yeah, whatever. He doesn't

00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.660
need it. Yeah, he comes back for his dad's funeral.

00:23:33.980 --> 00:23:37.299
Yeah. And then Olmo's filling him in on where

00:23:37.299 --> 00:23:42.299
his wife went, that he has a daughter, and where

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Alfredo's father died, which was in the cow shed.

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But yeah, that's also and I think what's really

00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:51.059
interesting in that scene is that like he obviously

00:23:51.059 --> 00:23:53.059
cares more about Anita than he cared about his

00:23:53.059 --> 00:23:55.599
father. You know what I mean? But like he's coming

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back for his father's funeral, but he didn't

00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:01.660
know that Anita died in childbirth. Almost wife

00:24:01.660 --> 00:24:04.420
and his longtime friend. You know what I mean?

00:24:04.579 --> 00:24:06.460
Oh, yeah. There's something there about class,

00:24:06.460 --> 00:24:08.859
too, where it's like he has to come back for

00:24:08.859 --> 00:24:10.539
his dad's funeral, even though he like basically

00:24:10.539 --> 00:24:12.359
doesn't give a shit. And then he's like, well,

00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:13.740
is that your kid? And he's like, yeah. He's like,

00:24:13.819 --> 00:24:16.880
well. Where's Anita? And he's like, oh, she died

00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:19.400
in childbirth. And then he starts crying. And

00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:20.559
it's like, yeah, he's not going to cry like that

00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:22.900
for his asshole dad. You know what I mean? But

00:24:22.900 --> 00:24:26.440
he's also not going to come back because Anita

00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.259
died. You know? Oma wouldn't call him and tell

00:24:30.259 --> 00:24:32.079
him, come back, it's Anita's funeral. Like, that's

00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.079
just a class divide. It's weird. But it's also

00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.000
something that he's relegated to as well. Like,

00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:40.339
you know what I mean? Like, he's left out of

00:24:40.339 --> 00:24:42.960
the loop because he's rich as well. Like, it's

00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:46.539
weird. It's just... It's really heartbreaking

00:24:46.539 --> 00:24:51.880
in that scene. She dies off screen and we just

00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.460
find out about it. And she was the revolution.

00:24:54.940 --> 00:24:57.980
You know what I mean? And then that's when he's

00:24:57.980 --> 00:25:00.180
like, you've been away for a month. There's a

00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:02.420
lot of things you don't know. And he begs him

00:25:02.420 --> 00:25:05.099
to send Attila away. This is when he's like,

00:25:05.180 --> 00:25:07.839
there's still time. You have a chance. He's like,

00:25:07.940 --> 00:25:09.579
look, you're in charge now. You can do the right

00:25:09.579 --> 00:25:15.119
thing. And he's like... Maybe I will. He's like,

00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:17.200
it wouldn't do any good. These stocks are working

00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:18.839
for me right now, you know what I mean? It's

00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:23.119
like this is kind of, I'm not going to listen

00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:25.799
to you. He literally says, no, Mussolini won,

00:25:25.940 --> 00:25:27.700
which is one of the only mentions of Mussolini

00:25:27.700 --> 00:25:29.859
in this movie, I think. But he's just like, no,

00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.410
Mussolini won. There's a couple of them. He says

00:25:32.410 --> 00:25:36.029
long live Mussolini or something at the beginning.

00:25:36.250 --> 00:25:39.109
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He says Mussolini won. And

00:25:39.109 --> 00:25:40.589
so it's like, it's very like... He's mentioned

00:25:40.589 --> 00:25:43.230
the Duce a couple of times and stuff during the

00:25:43.230 --> 00:25:45.789
sailor sequence and stuff. That's why we can

00:25:45.789 --> 00:25:47.609
kind of get into just like how this movie is

00:25:47.609 --> 00:25:51.849
a very like lucid conversation about fascism

00:25:51.849 --> 00:25:55.630
and kind of like the takeover of fascism, how

00:25:55.630 --> 00:25:59.539
much it relies on... the sort of like ubiquity

00:25:59.539 --> 00:26:02.220
of the mindset, but how, but like kind of in

00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:05.079
this case, specifically how easy it is to get

00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:09.180
the upper class on the side of it that like part

00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:11.720
of like the reason fascism can work is because

00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.339
it ends up consolidating all the elite on its

00:26:15.339 --> 00:26:18.799
side. But it's also a populist thing. It's also

00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.200
like Attila is not an elite. You don't need to

00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.339
deny that one. It is both. Part of it is like

00:26:23.339 --> 00:26:25.079
how it can consolidate the elite because like

00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:27.460
compare it to everything that's happened. recently

00:26:27.460 --> 00:26:29.559
with trump or whatever like it's like the exact

00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.380
same playbook where you have a kind of like more

00:26:32.380 --> 00:26:35.420
of a cult of personality the elites don't buy

00:26:35.420 --> 00:26:38.619
it but they buy it no no exactly they don't buy

00:26:38.619 --> 00:26:40.640
into it but they buy it or whatever no they buy

00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.079
it yeah because it's like of financial interest

00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.720
or the believers like attila who are not elites

00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.160
no actually um the pejorne has control over him

00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.539
the whole movie right he theoretically has control

00:26:52.539 --> 00:26:55.509
well like the pejorne He's not really, yeah,

00:26:55.609 --> 00:26:58.190
exactly like, Alfredo's not really in control.

00:26:58.630 --> 00:27:01.650
Attila is, but whenever Alfredo's around, Attila

00:27:01.650 --> 00:27:04.609
has to obey his commands. Right. And there is

00:27:04.609 --> 00:27:07.509
just like, you know, I think basically most of

00:27:07.509 --> 00:27:10.410
the time Alfredo's commanding Attila. It's just

00:27:10.410 --> 00:27:13.369
like, he's just kind of like torturing him and

00:27:13.369 --> 00:27:17.410
expressing his frustration out on him instead

00:27:17.410 --> 00:27:19.569
of just like doing the hard thing of actually

00:27:19.569 --> 00:27:22.579
firing him and actually making any change. He

00:27:22.579 --> 00:27:25.640
sees Attila as this like thing in his life that

00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:29.140
causes all this like pain and conflict within

00:27:29.140 --> 00:27:31.859
him. You know what I mean? But like he can't

00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:34.160
do the brave thing of actually cutting him off

00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.559
and actually being part of the communist revolution

00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:40.849
or whatever and giving resources to that. It's

00:27:40.849 --> 00:27:43.089
very, yeah, it's weird. It's very weird and interesting,

00:27:43.170 --> 00:27:45.009
but, like, it also goes back to their childhood.

00:27:45.230 --> 00:27:47.230
Like, I think in the end it also says, like,

00:27:47.230 --> 00:27:50.170
yeah, Alfredo is a coward. It doesn't really

00:27:50.170 --> 00:27:53.130
matter that he, like, lays under the train. It

00:27:53.130 --> 00:27:55.329
doesn't really, like, prove anything. There's

00:27:55.329 --> 00:27:58.369
something the whole time about how, like, Olmo

00:27:58.369 --> 00:28:02.829
just knows Alfredo is a coward, you know? And

00:28:02.829 --> 00:28:05.130
he never disproves him. Like, they're basically

00:28:05.130 --> 00:28:09.160
the same people once they're adults. Alfredo

00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:13.619
has no courage to overcome the life that has

00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:18.240
been laid out for him. And a lot of that is the

00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.720
result of his class. Yeah, exactly. Not only

00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:25.440
his values and his personality and his interests.

00:28:25.779 --> 00:28:27.740
And one of my favorite parts of that, I think,

00:28:27.740 --> 00:28:31.579
is the Dominic Sanda aspect of the movie. Dominic

00:28:31.579 --> 00:28:33.759
Sande and Stefania Sandrelli. The modern woman.

00:28:33.980 --> 00:28:36.579
The whole modern woman part of the movie. Exactly.

00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:41.039
Anita, Anita. Yeah, Anita. It's Ada. There's

00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.940
Ada and there's Anita. Anita is Stefania Sandrelli

00:28:43.940 --> 00:28:47.359
and Ada is Dominic Sande. Dominic Sande is the

00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:49.420
modern woman. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.

00:28:49.950 --> 00:28:52.329
is, you know, the trad wife. She's communist,

00:28:52.509 --> 00:28:55.250
but, you know, she wants to get a man and get

00:28:55.250 --> 00:28:56.769
married and have children and whatnot, and she

00:28:56.769 --> 00:28:58.549
dies in childbirth. She's also intelligent and

00:28:58.549 --> 00:29:01.069
outspoken and politically aware and stuff. She,

00:29:01.130 --> 00:29:04.670
like, kind of does a lot of work in the movie.

00:29:04.789 --> 00:29:07.029
Like, I mean, she yells at people. Like, she

00:29:07.029 --> 00:29:09.690
yells at the fascists to their face. She's, like,

00:29:09.710 --> 00:29:12.109
one of the brave ones. Yeah. She's the bravest

00:29:12.109 --> 00:29:15.079
of the revolution. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's

00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:17.660
also a traditional sort of woman. You know what

00:29:17.660 --> 00:29:19.380
I mean? Yeah. And like the tribe wife thing of

00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:21.680
like being accepting of the sacrifices needed

00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.319
and not putting yourself first and whatever.

00:29:24.500 --> 00:29:27.799
Yeah. Like Ada is a very, very like, Ada is fucking

00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:31.180
weird, dude. She's like, she's a fucking manic

00:29:31.180 --> 00:29:33.559
pixie dream girl. She's kind of like a weird

00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.779
bipolar woman who like. And look, like you have

00:29:37.779 --> 00:29:41.059
to like, think about this, dude. Alfreda was

00:29:41.059 --> 00:29:44.980
born. Into a place with kings and jesters and

00:29:44.980 --> 00:29:48.480
shit. And now he's evolved so much that he wants

00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.299
a manic pixie dream girl. You know how much education

00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:53.880
that takes? You know how much money that takes

00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.420
and cocaine that takes to make that guy that

00:29:57.420 --> 00:30:01.220
sophisticated? Yeah, I know. He's a sophisticated

00:30:01.220 --> 00:30:04.380
man. He's such a sophisticated aristocrat that

00:30:04.380 --> 00:30:07.430
he wants to be with. Ada. Which is what we all

00:30:07.430 --> 00:30:09.569
now... That's why the Manic Pixie Dream Girl

00:30:09.569 --> 00:30:13.410
is a modern... That's a thing that is valued

00:30:13.410 --> 00:30:16.029
now. Maybe not now as much as... I don't know.

00:30:16.130 --> 00:30:18.529
We don't need to be making generalizations. It's

00:30:18.529 --> 00:30:20.089
a modern thing. But no, it's a modern archetype,

00:30:20.089 --> 00:30:23.890
Ada. She's a modern archetype, and it's the Barbie

00:30:23.890 --> 00:30:26.750
thing. There's something about Ada that... Ada

00:30:26.750 --> 00:30:30.029
represents the image of woman more now. I mean,

00:30:30.049 --> 00:30:32.250
I'm saying this as a man, but Ada represents

00:30:32.250 --> 00:30:35.799
woman more now than... Anita does. You might

00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.279
find plenty of Anita's around in this country.

00:30:38.539 --> 00:30:40.539
You know, like there's still, there's still plenty

00:30:40.539 --> 00:30:43.259
of Anita's, but like the cities are filled with

00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:47.259
odd immigrants. Yeah. They're immigrants. Anita's

00:30:47.259 --> 00:30:49.799
in this country are immigrants. I guess so. We

00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.940
got all the homegrown American whites. They're

00:30:52.940 --> 00:30:55.000
all odd as man. They don't want children. They

00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.079
want an opium. Well, they're trying to go to

00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.140
college. Yeah. They want to go to college and

00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:04.140
get a, get a boss girl job. That was interesting,

00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:07.519
too. It is interesting that the privileged life

00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.119
that Alfredo led turned him into basically, like,

00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.539
he's a sissy pants. He's not a man in the way

00:31:13.539 --> 00:31:16.099
that Olmo is. No. He's not an action -oriented

00:31:16.099 --> 00:31:19.099
guy. Not at all. He's lame, dude. He's a lame

00:31:19.099 --> 00:31:22.220
duck. And, like, Ada can just walk all over him.

00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.779
And he just thinks it's fascinating that, like...

00:31:25.950 --> 00:31:28.049
she would cause this type of a scene, isn't it?

00:31:28.089 --> 00:31:30.109
And it's like, that's like a piece of art to

00:31:30.109 --> 00:31:32.670
cause a scene like that in that way at that time.

00:31:32.730 --> 00:31:35.650
That's, that's high minded art. And it's like,

00:31:35.690 --> 00:31:37.589
I understand being the guy sitting back and being

00:31:37.589 --> 00:31:40.210
like, nah, she's amazing. Look at it. I know,

00:31:40.230 --> 00:31:42.430
but she has like, but she has like a, she has

00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:44.609
a disorder, but she's like a mentally ill person.

00:31:46.529 --> 00:31:49.420
She's got, she's got, yeah. she's like not a

00:31:49.420 --> 00:31:52.079
borderline personality disorder yeah she's borderline

00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.799
personality disorder exactly she's a BPD art

00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:57.799
hoe as they say she can't be real like she can't

00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:00.279
you don't actually know what her deal you know

00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.099
what I mean it's like it's insincere well she

00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:04.700
can eventually when she's just drunk Yeah, when

00:32:04.700 --> 00:32:07.059
she's drunk and on opium. And all she wants is

00:32:07.059 --> 00:32:09.339
just another drink. Actually, are we conflating

00:32:09.339 --> 00:32:12.059
movies? That's what that evolves into. You know

00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:14.480
what I mean? That's the end point of Alfredo

00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.200
and Ada's. This is very similar to The Last Emperor

00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.859
because his wife in The Last Emperor gets addicted

00:32:18.859 --> 00:32:22.009
to opium. Yeah, I know. It's the same. Ada's

00:32:22.009 --> 00:32:26.049
addiction is cocaine. I think it's mostly drinking,

00:32:26.190 --> 00:32:28.089
but I... Drinking, yeah, drinking and cocaine.

00:32:28.470 --> 00:32:30.549
Yeah. Cocaine definitely comes into the picture.

00:32:30.670 --> 00:32:31.869
I don't know if cocaine is as much of a problem

00:32:31.869 --> 00:32:33.950
at that point. I think it's mostly just... There's

00:32:33.950 --> 00:32:36.369
a scene where Alfredo and her do cocaine with

00:32:36.369 --> 00:32:38.690
Uncle... I know it's opium in The Last Emperor,

00:32:38.829 --> 00:32:41.069
and it's also opium in The Conformist. Is there

00:32:41.069 --> 00:32:42.710
not opium at all in 1900? I just watched The

00:32:42.710 --> 00:32:45.750
Last Emperor last night and watched 1900 the

00:32:45.750 --> 00:32:48.049
days before it, so it's kind of hard for me to

00:32:48.049 --> 00:32:50.839
remember if... It happened in both or if it was

00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.420
just one. But it definitely happened in The Conformist

00:32:53.420 --> 00:32:57.900
as well. So the idea of an Italian old lady being

00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:01.720
addicted to opium because her driver is giving

00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:04.420
her opium or whatever is a part of The Conformist,

00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.740
which is also a huge part of The Last Emperor.

00:33:07.940 --> 00:33:09.859
That doesn't happen in 1900, though. It has some

00:33:09.859 --> 00:33:12.960
big similarities to Ada's story. I don't think

00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.359
there's a person who gets murdered because they're

00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.720
sleeping with Ada or giving her drugs or something

00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.049
like that. Because it definitely happens in The

00:33:20.049 --> 00:33:22.450
Last Emperor where they kill the driver. Yeah,

00:33:22.509 --> 00:33:24.549
which apparently didn't happen in real life.

00:33:24.650 --> 00:33:27.150
That's one of the things that's changed, I think.

00:33:27.170 --> 00:33:30.069
He protected that guy who impregnated his wife.

00:33:30.069 --> 00:33:31.430
I feel like 1900 probably doesn't have... It

00:33:31.430 --> 00:33:34.009
did happen in The Conformist where the conformist's

00:33:34.009 --> 00:33:37.869
mother is addicted to opium because her driver...

00:33:38.329 --> 00:33:41.069
who's this Chinese guy is selling her opium and

00:33:41.069 --> 00:33:43.269
keeping her addicted and trying to live off of

00:33:43.269 --> 00:33:46.009
her and stuff. And then he gets the fascist to

00:33:46.009 --> 00:33:48.829
beat that guy up. His name is Trees, right? Or

00:33:48.829 --> 00:33:51.069
it's translated as Trees, but it's like Arbery.

00:33:51.910 --> 00:33:55.049
It's been even longer since I've seen The Conformist,

00:33:55.049 --> 00:33:57.529
but... The point is there's like a lot of these

00:33:57.529 --> 00:34:00.269
like things in Bertolucci's movies that really

00:34:00.269 --> 00:34:03.009
overlap. He's kind of one of these guys that

00:34:03.009 --> 00:34:06.289
like, like as much as De Palma or something,

00:34:06.450 --> 00:34:09.070
it's just like he has very... very specific things.

00:34:09.230 --> 00:34:11.550
No, totally. He has director's trademarks. He

00:34:11.550 --> 00:34:14.050
has vision. He's an auteur. That doesn't mean

00:34:14.050 --> 00:34:15.969
like he has a thing where it's like all of the

00:34:15.969 --> 00:34:18.969
mothers have to be kind of opium addicts in some

00:34:18.969 --> 00:34:21.570
way. Somebody has to get killed who also has

00:34:21.570 --> 00:34:23.989
to be a driver. Like, I don't know. There's like,

00:34:24.010 --> 00:34:26.329
there's a lot of these weird things that like

00:34:26.329 --> 00:34:29.389
don't really add up. It seems to be like coincidences

00:34:29.389 --> 00:34:33.190
over and over and over. Um, I mean, I don't want

00:34:33.190 --> 00:34:34.710
to get too much into the last emperor yet, I

00:34:34.710 --> 00:34:37.719
guess, but like one of the things, that both

00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:41.579
movies depict is the sort of like enslaved state

00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:45.519
of the woman in these like highly relationships,

00:34:45.820 --> 00:34:49.679
but also the men themselves are also slaves,

00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:51.960
especially in the last emperor. It's very highlighted

00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.780
that like the emperor himself is not a free man.

00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.099
And I think that's largely true in 1900. I think

00:34:58.099 --> 00:35:00.900
it is largely true of Alfredo as well. Yeah.

00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:04.849
I think that there are things happening outside

00:35:04.849 --> 00:35:09.289
politically, things with Alfredo's fortune and

00:35:09.289 --> 00:35:13.369
land and whatever that politically that he needs

00:35:13.369 --> 00:35:17.190
to not kick out Attila. I think that the movie

00:35:17.190 --> 00:35:21.969
implies that. I know that it seems to you that

00:35:21.969 --> 00:35:25.670
we could just get rid of Attila, Olmo, but it's

00:35:25.670 --> 00:35:30.469
not really that simple. I just don't think Olmo...

00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.440
cares about those considerations it's not like

00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:36.719
personal like olmo doesn't lose anything by winning

00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.239
that's the point of being part of the socialist

00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.500
and fighting he's part of the laborers and they've

00:35:40.500 --> 00:35:42.880
been fucked over for a really long time and it's

00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:44.559
just getting worse too i think that's an interesting

00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.019
thing the movie points out too is that the padrone

00:35:47.019 --> 00:35:50.960
at the beginning feels much more in touch with

00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:52.679
the laborers like he feels like a guy who he

00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.719
visits them he talks to them he knows their names

00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:56.780
that's the whole thing there's a kind of thing

00:35:56.780 --> 00:35:59.000
about thing of the movie yeah there's a kind

00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:03.179
of like Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, exactly. There's

00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:05.960
such a friendliness to him. His and Sterling

00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.619
Hayden's, when he's trying to, he's like, have

00:36:08.619 --> 00:36:10.340
a drink with me. And Sterling Hayden's like,

00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:12.219
no, we have to cut this field. And then he's

00:36:12.219 --> 00:36:14.619
like, he has to put the drink in front of the

00:36:14.619 --> 00:36:17.019
cut so that he can't cut the field. And he's

00:36:17.019 --> 00:36:19.340
like, all right, let's have a drink. Yeah, Sterling

00:36:19.340 --> 00:36:21.480
Hayden is great. In that he never really can

00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:26.050
win. sterling hayden's like respect you know

00:36:26.050 --> 00:36:28.590
what i mean he actually does respect sterling

00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:31.250
sterling hayden but sterling hayden doesn't respect

00:36:31.250 --> 00:36:35.050
him yeah exactly and like he knows that you know

00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:38.409
but he wants him to just i mean kind of like

00:36:38.409 --> 00:36:41.909
his kind of like his fucking son yeah his grandson

00:36:41.909 --> 00:36:44.610
you know and even though they're friends or whatever

00:36:44.610 --> 00:36:48.050
it's like there's there's not respect between

00:36:48.050 --> 00:36:52.340
or like ormo does not respect alfredo He loves

00:36:52.340 --> 00:36:54.320
him. No, but he doesn't respect him. He thinks

00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.360
he's a coward. He's always shown that he doesn't

00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:58.800
respect him. He shouldn't. He shouldn't respect

00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.500
him. Yeah, he shouldn't. Exactly. He's a little

00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:04.840
bitch. But at the same time, I think in the end,

00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:08.519
when we have almost, you know, communist takeover

00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.420
and whatever, we see how sort of ill -fated that

00:37:11.420 --> 00:37:14.019
is, too. Yeah. It's just kind of like, oh, no,

00:37:14.139 --> 00:37:16.659
you're being liberated. We're taking all your

00:37:16.659 --> 00:37:20.579
guns and the padrone lives. Idiots. Yeah, yeah,

00:37:20.579 --> 00:37:22.039
yeah. They're going to let you be a bunch of

00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.139
communists. You've lost a war. It's not going

00:37:24.139 --> 00:37:25.760
to be good for a while. Well, it is also so local,

00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:27.440
right? Like you said, they're fighting for their

00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:29.960
own land. They're fighting this smaller battle.

00:37:30.590 --> 00:37:32.230
that's like indicative of this larger battle

00:37:32.230 --> 00:37:35.070
going on between the fascists and the socialists

00:37:35.070 --> 00:37:38.329
and the landowners. It wasn't even like a kingdom

00:37:38.329 --> 00:37:41.690
until like 50 years before that or something.

00:37:41.789 --> 00:37:44.650
It's like, it wasn't even like a united idea.

00:37:44.849 --> 00:37:46.630
Like, I don't know, you know, like this is all

00:37:46.630 --> 00:37:49.570
very new. And so like, yeah, like this is generations

00:37:49.570 --> 00:37:52.130
of people who have worked this land and generations

00:37:52.130 --> 00:37:55.710
of people who have owned this land. That's people

00:37:55.710 --> 00:37:58.349
haven't left, you know, until like world war

00:37:58.349 --> 00:38:01.530
one. And that's why World War I then changes

00:38:01.530 --> 00:38:04.690
everything. You know what I mean? People returning

00:38:04.690 --> 00:38:06.909
from that and then industrialization that had

00:38:06.909 --> 00:38:09.230
to contribute to that and everything. Yeah, yeah,

00:38:09.389 --> 00:38:11.889
yeah. And then, yeah, obviously the rise of fascism

00:38:11.889 --> 00:38:14.909
after World War I. Well, I think that the times

00:38:14.909 --> 00:38:17.550
we've been living in sometimes give us the impression

00:38:17.550 --> 00:38:20.010
that people have always been very nationalistic

00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:25.150
and have seen human society and the structure

00:38:25.150 --> 00:38:29.260
of it in terms of having similarity. That it

00:38:29.260 --> 00:38:31.780
should be, and this is also what Heavy was talking

00:38:31.780 --> 00:38:33.960
about in our Chandler's List episode, but the

00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.300
idea that the state is inherently genocidal.

00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.800
There's something where it needs homogeny. People

00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.199
need to believe the same things. And there needs

00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:44.840
to be this idea that we're all one and that we're

00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:49.760
not this vast array of differences and diversities

00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:53.800
or whatever. But Hannah Arendt writes about totalitarianism.

00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.480
She lays out the point that a lot of this stuff

00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:59.820
was new, kind of like you're saying. It's hard

00:38:59.820 --> 00:39:02.980
to imagine a time where people weren't held together

00:39:02.980 --> 00:39:05.260
by some kind of ideology or something, but maybe

00:39:05.260 --> 00:39:07.940
the actual truth of the past is that we were

00:39:07.940 --> 00:39:10.900
much better at dealing with diversity and ecological

00:39:10.900 --> 00:39:13.420
balance and the fact that the world was just

00:39:13.420 --> 00:39:15.760
filled with a lot of difference and surprises

00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.559
and whatever. And inequality. And inequality

00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:20.519
and whatever. Yeah, all this stuff was a part

00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.130
of the natural world. And that it was actually

00:39:23.130 --> 00:39:25.570
kind of a new thing that emerged at the end of

00:39:25.570 --> 00:39:28.389
the 19th century, early 20th century, this idea

00:39:28.389 --> 00:39:31.090
of oneness and unity and that people weren't

00:39:31.090 --> 00:39:33.789
diverse and that like they could all fall under

00:39:33.789 --> 00:39:36.389
some kind of umbrella that would be a people

00:39:36.389 --> 00:39:39.429
or a state or whatever. And that seems wrong

00:39:39.429 --> 00:39:41.269
because there were empires before that and stuff

00:39:41.269 --> 00:39:43.650
like that. But like empires could never turn

00:39:43.650 --> 00:39:47.429
half of the globe into what they were. That's

00:39:47.429 --> 00:39:50.269
not how empires worked. You know, it wasn't about

00:39:50.269 --> 00:39:54.659
like. making everybody one ideological thing

00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:57.000
or something it was just about assimilation and

00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.840
fusion i guess just a like sharing of cultures

00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:02.739
and like these places all change but it's not

00:40:02.739 --> 00:40:04.920
like they change one way or the other they just

00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.940
become a new thing i don't know it's just like

00:40:07.940 --> 00:40:10.099
it's interesting to think about fascism as a

00:40:10.099 --> 00:40:12.719
modern force and like thinking about its connection

00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.840
to capitalism and its connection to industrialization

00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.320
What I think is the thing that this movie does

00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:21.920
the best for me. The machines showing up, dude.

00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:25.159
Yeah, the machines show up, dude. The fucking

00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:28.300
machines show up. And who's psyched about it?

00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:30.300
Who's fucking psyched about the machine? Exactly,

00:40:30.500 --> 00:40:35.460
dude. It's Attila. To me, that's just the main

00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:37.940
thing. It's just kind of like, this is a movie

00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:40.820
about like when machines show up, what type of

00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:43.300
people are psyched about it? What type of people

00:40:43.300 --> 00:40:46.179
benefit off of it? And like, what type of people

00:40:46.179 --> 00:40:49.800
are eliminated in that process? Dude, the scene,

00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:51.480
that's like one of the first scenes where Attila

00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.300
talks and it's like his character introduction,

00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.840
but it makes him so horrifying. Right off the

00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:58.320
bat, he's like, yes, we all need our grain. We

00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.239
all need our share of grain, but the machine

00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.639
needs its share too. It's like, I was just like,

00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:06.420
dude. And I mean, at that point, he's coming

00:41:06.420 --> 00:41:11.039
to the workers as like a fellow worker. You know

00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:12.320
what I mean? Like, I'm not an aristocrat. I'm

00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.159
one of you. This will make it easier. Yeah, exactly.

00:41:15.699 --> 00:41:18.099
He's wearing their clothes. Every worker needs

00:41:18.099 --> 00:41:20.739
his grain. These need their grain, too. And blah,

00:41:20.780 --> 00:41:23.840
blah, blah. Actually, it starts before that with

00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:27.409
his father. um with alfredo's father is is psyched

00:41:27.409 --> 00:41:31.170
about the first red machines the tractors and

00:41:31.170 --> 00:41:34.550
he actually has the conversation with sterling

00:41:34.550 --> 00:41:38.369
hayden leo you're right yeah leo is like yeah

00:41:38.369 --> 00:41:40.369
but look look at all this stuff left on the ground

00:41:40.369 --> 00:41:43.809
and he's like yeah well you know you know and

00:41:43.809 --> 00:41:46.210
it's just like yeah yeah like this does like

00:41:46.210 --> 00:41:50.530
70 of the job but like we don't have to pay for

00:41:50.530 --> 00:41:54.070
any of you so maybe we're doing a far worse job

00:41:54.070 --> 00:41:55.949
and being more wasteful and whatever, but like,

00:41:55.969 --> 00:41:59.590
also we can kill you. You know what I mean? It's

00:41:59.590 --> 00:42:03.010
like, but also like you're eliminated. So there,

00:42:03.090 --> 00:42:05.889
that, that benefits me as like the person who's

00:42:05.889 --> 00:42:07.670
living off of, well, I don't need to live off

00:42:07.670 --> 00:42:10.190
of you anymore. I can just, it's, it's just,

00:42:10.210 --> 00:42:13.110
it's so gross. And it's like, yeah, no, it's

00:42:13.110 --> 00:42:16.190
not doing even as good of a job as the farm hands.

00:42:16.510 --> 00:42:18.869
You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's the same

00:42:18.869 --> 00:42:22.719
as AI. Like that's to me. And before like, We've

00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.239
talked about, like, I feel like AI is something

00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.400
that, like, you can talk about how horrible it

00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.119
is or you can talk about how good it is. And

00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:31.119
either way, it's an advertisement for AI. And

00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.179
I'm a person who wants to shrug at AI because

00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:34.739
it doesn't do that good of a job. But to me,

00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:36.000
it's like, no, no, no. Actually, part of the

00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.500
point is it doesn't need to do that good of a

00:42:38.500 --> 00:42:40.820
job. It actually needs to only do 70 % of the

00:42:40.820 --> 00:42:44.159
job. Everything can continue to decrease in quality

00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:48.079
as long as you also eliminate people. Like, that's

00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.920
the thing. It's the inshitification, as they're

00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:53.820
calling it. inherently evil about it is that

00:42:53.820 --> 00:42:55.920
it's been that way since the beginning. It's

00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:59.119
inherently genocidal. And that's the process

00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:00.420
of technology. And that's to me the thing is

00:43:00.420 --> 00:43:02.500
like this movie is a political movie in that

00:43:02.500 --> 00:43:04.179
it's talking about the rise of fascism in Italy

00:43:04.179 --> 00:43:07.179
or whatever. But really it's just about the process

00:43:07.179 --> 00:43:10.179
of industrialization and what that does to humanity

00:43:10.179 --> 00:43:12.719
and the types of people who like it and the types

00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.980
of people who don't. Yeah, in 1900s Italy, it

00:43:15.980 --> 00:43:17.960
was pretty clear that those people were fascists.

00:43:18.500 --> 00:43:20.380
They're one and the same. Isn't that the point,

00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:22.920
man? Machine men with machine hearts and machine

00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.519
minds. Yeah, yeah, of course. That was the whole

00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.719
point, is that these things are one and the same.

00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.059
It's like the idea that we can have progress,

00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.199
like technological progress, without the fascism.

00:43:34.969 --> 00:43:37.090
that's like this utopian dream, right? And people

00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:39.050
still hold onto that, you know? And I think there

00:43:39.050 --> 00:43:40.869
like could still be truth to that. You know,

00:43:40.929 --> 00:43:43.150
it's like, I think people are holding onto that

00:43:43.150 --> 00:43:45.110
less and less. I think now they're just going

00:43:45.110 --> 00:43:46.949
like, no, no, no, we're a fascist. It doesn't

00:43:46.949 --> 00:43:49.010
matter anymore. No, exactly. Because it's like,

00:43:49.090 --> 00:43:51.070
well, look how, look how easily it went that

00:43:51.070 --> 00:43:54.710
direction. Look how quickly open AI went from

00:43:54.710 --> 00:43:57.969
a utopian open source vision to this totally.

00:43:58.939 --> 00:44:01.380
lockdown private enterprise. Like, it's just

00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:04.400
kind of like, wow, that happened fast. Like there's

00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.360
no effort to, and it really is too. It's, it's

00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.039
because they're all fucking Alfredo's dude. They're

00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:12.539
all people who are just like, yeah, what good

00:44:12.539 --> 00:44:15.340
would it do? And like Mussolini's in charge anyway,

00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.320
like Trump's in charge. So like why, you know

00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.039
what I mean? It's like exact same shit. Yeah.

00:44:20.670 --> 00:44:22.349
I mean, some of them are Alfredo. I mean, there's

00:44:22.349 --> 00:44:24.170
also a lot of Attila's out there. No, there's

00:44:24.170 --> 00:44:27.190
Attila's and Alfredo's. A few good people are

00:44:27.190 --> 00:44:30.090
Alfredo's. Yeah, exactly. And they're just shitty.

00:44:30.449 --> 00:44:32.449
Like, if you're not a monster, you're just a

00:44:32.449 --> 00:44:34.510
shitty person. You're bad at being a person.

00:44:34.829 --> 00:44:37.469
But these are the two people. There's not really

00:44:37.469 --> 00:44:39.250
a lot of Olmos right now. There's not really

00:44:39.250 --> 00:44:41.670
a lot of Olmos, you know. There's not a lot of

00:44:41.670 --> 00:44:44.230
Olmos. Maybe they'll start rising up, you know.

00:44:45.369 --> 00:44:47.610
I mean, I think that in order to create Olmos,

00:44:47.769 --> 00:44:51.650
man, you need them to struggle and farm the land.

00:44:52.710 --> 00:44:56.230
And if they don't work, yeah, right. I'm a fucking

00:44:56.230 --> 00:45:00.409
Alfredo. All of us in America are fucking Alfredos.

00:45:00.429 --> 00:45:03.469
No, you're right. Me, most of all. No, you're

00:45:03.469 --> 00:45:05.809
right. You're right. Even poor people in this

00:45:05.809 --> 00:45:08.070
country are like, most poor people in this country

00:45:08.070 --> 00:45:10.230
are just homeless or something. They're not creating

00:45:10.230 --> 00:45:13.619
products. for the country they're just not productive

00:45:13.619 --> 00:45:15.360
they're not doing anything they're considered

00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.239
like waste by the system sure it's like all these

00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:20.300
people who actually create value and have jobs

00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:22.000
all these desk jobs like there was like enough

00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.679
of a like payback for long enough in this country

00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:26.360
that people didn't feel like they were being

00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:28.650
just horribly oppressed. Like it's very clear

00:45:28.650 --> 00:45:30.429
that things are just getting worse for the workers

00:45:30.429 --> 00:45:32.750
in this movie that like what they're getting

00:45:32.750 --> 00:45:35.309
under the Burt Lancaster is like far better than

00:45:35.309 --> 00:45:37.510
what they're getting under his son. And like

00:45:37.510 --> 00:45:40.829
the difference in scenes between like him coming

00:45:40.829 --> 00:45:42.630
out and celebrating and giving them all alcohol

00:45:42.630 --> 00:45:44.590
to celebrate the birth of these children and

00:45:44.590 --> 00:45:47.849
whatever. And then his fucking son coming out

00:45:47.849 --> 00:45:51.170
and being like, oh, you lost half because of

00:45:51.170 --> 00:45:53.909
this act of God. Well, I guess you get paid half

00:45:53.909 --> 00:45:55.889
then. It's like, well, we don't get paid more

00:45:55.889 --> 00:45:58.050
when we harvest more. It's like, oh, you know,

00:45:58.070 --> 00:46:00.269
just because you said that, I want your ear.

00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.179
It's just so insane, dude. Like, it is so insane.

00:46:04.420 --> 00:46:06.300
He didn't say I want you. The guy gave him the

00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:07.519
ear. No, the guy gave him the ear. And warned

00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:09.880
the argument. And that's fucking being a man

00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:12.820
in a way that is not alive anymore. And then

00:46:12.820 --> 00:46:15.280
he goes home and gives his children, like, a

00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.480
couple pieces of cornbread. Polenta. And they

00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:21.199
rub it on the piece of salami that hangs and

00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.119
they get a little grease. A little bit of like,

00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.719
it's like a fish that's hanging there or something.

00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:28.679
Yeah, a dead fish maybe. Then the little girl's

00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:30.239
like, I'm still hungry. And he's like, listen

00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.760
to me, child, and you will forget hunger. And

00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:36.139
starts playing his ocarina. That's how you make

00:46:36.139 --> 00:46:40.610
an omo, you know? Going up like that. Not growing

00:46:40.610 --> 00:46:44.070
up fucking poor going to McDonald's and not having

00:46:44.070 --> 00:46:46.150
a job. You know what I mean? It's not the same

00:46:46.150 --> 00:46:49.289
thing. No, not at all, man. There isn't an opportunity

00:46:49.289 --> 00:46:53.030
to live a healthy enough life, I don't know,

00:46:53.110 --> 00:46:56.349
to be at home. It's all Alfredus. Yeah, dude,

00:46:56.409 --> 00:46:58.429
at least in this country. The Olmos are over

00:46:58.429 --> 00:47:00.989
in Palestine. The Olmos are over in Iran. The

00:47:00.989 --> 00:47:03.469
Olmos are over in places that are getting fucking

00:47:03.469 --> 00:47:07.130
hammered by fascists. Us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

00:47:07.130 --> 00:47:10.400
sad, dude. It's really sad. There's a lot of

00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:12.380
other stuff going on in this movie. You know

00:47:12.380 --> 00:47:14.179
what I mean? It'd be really hard to really cover

00:47:14.179 --> 00:47:16.920
everything. Well, the other part I want to talk

00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.559
about would probably be the end slash beginning

00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.340
segment of the movie, the sort of communist propaganda

00:47:23.340 --> 00:47:28.000
act. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I mean,

00:47:28.019 --> 00:47:31.039
it is interesting. It is one of those movies

00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.239
that starts at the end or near the end and then

00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.940
goes back. It's really interesting, too, because

00:47:36.940 --> 00:47:40.860
in the beginning you see, regina and attila running

00:47:40.860 --> 00:47:43.420
away and like he gets pitchforked or whatever

00:47:43.420 --> 00:47:47.820
so like i guess it doesn't end well for them

00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:49.559
like it's interesting that like they show that

00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.780
up front yeah yeah and i guess you don't really

00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:53.800
know exactly what happens but you kind of assume

00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:55.420
like oh well they got them they're gonna kill

00:47:55.420 --> 00:47:58.079
them and that is mostly true i love that it's

00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.800
just sort of these idyllic angelic female farmhands

00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:07.610
who are like all pitchforking It's pretty great.

00:48:07.750 --> 00:48:09.650
It's so, like, romantic. But then, yeah, it goes

00:48:09.650 --> 00:48:10.869
back to the beginning, tells a little story,

00:48:11.030 --> 00:48:12.829
and then we get here. And there's also the kid

00:48:12.829 --> 00:48:16.809
who's pointing the gun at Alfredo. Right. Holding

00:48:16.809 --> 00:48:19.030
him hostage or whatever. Right. And, yeah, so

00:48:19.030 --> 00:48:20.349
we get back to that point, and then it moves.

00:48:20.409 --> 00:48:21.829
It's like the Forrest Gump thing, where it gets

00:48:21.829 --> 00:48:23.130
to that point, and then it moves a little bit

00:48:23.130 --> 00:48:27.269
forward. Right. And we see. The feather on the

00:48:27.269 --> 00:48:34.280
wind is. Yeah, yeah. I'm stabbing it. but no

00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.000
yeah they decide not to kill alfredo like there's

00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.659
this kind of thing like he's a living proof of

00:48:38.659 --> 00:48:41.940
the death of the padrone it's a weird like obviously

00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:45.679
argument for yeah it's a weird romantic argument

00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.280
for not killing this guy's friend yeah alfredo

00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:51.400
like there is also that moment right like we

00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.059
talked about the child getting murdered but not

00:48:53.059 --> 00:48:55.260
really the whole this is sort of the big moment

00:48:55.260 --> 00:48:58.579
of betrayal where alfredo doesn't stand up for

00:48:58.579 --> 00:49:01.829
olmo And Oma only kind of gets out of it because,

00:49:01.929 --> 00:49:04.469
like, some other guy says he was the murderer.

00:49:04.769 --> 00:49:06.510
Right. And it just kind of gets all, like— And

00:49:06.510 --> 00:49:08.650
then shows up years later. Yeah, shows up years

00:49:08.650 --> 00:49:10.670
later. It's like if there's a big gap in time

00:49:10.670 --> 00:49:12.110
there and that guy shows up and he's like, oh,

00:49:12.130 --> 00:49:14.230
yeah, I was in prison for that thing I said.

00:49:14.769 --> 00:49:16.690
Yeah, he's like, it didn't matter. I didn't live

00:49:16.690 --> 00:49:19.510
wherever. Yeah, prison, prison or whatever. Yeah,

00:49:19.530 --> 00:49:21.329
it doesn't matter. But, yeah, that is the moment

00:49:21.329 --> 00:49:24.829
of betrayal and also just the refusal to fire

00:49:24.829 --> 00:49:27.289
Attila, truly join their side in a significant

00:49:27.289 --> 00:49:29.659
way. I mean, it's interesting that, like, you

00:49:29.659 --> 00:49:32.739
know, Olmo is, like, drifting away even before

00:49:32.739 --> 00:49:35.179
the betrayal. But, you know, he doesn't really,

00:49:35.260 --> 00:49:38.019
like, go to the wedding. And he's kind of just,

00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.480
like, doing his normal shit. He's hunting. And

00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.679
Alfredo's, like... It seems like he's not invited.

00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:44.940
Well, Alfredo says, like, I didn't think you

00:49:44.940 --> 00:49:46.760
were going to come or whatever. Like, it seemed

00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:48.880
like Alfredo expected him to come. Like, he didn't

00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:50.320
need to be invited or something. I don't know.

00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:52.360
Maybe it's just, yeah, I guess it's too high

00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:56.400
class an event. You can't invite him. Right.

00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:58.460
There seems to be, there's, there's just like

00:49:58.460 --> 00:50:01.360
this inherent divide there that like, there's,

00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.159
there's often like things like that in the movie.

00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:04.679
They're like, this is just a little weird. Like,

00:50:04.699 --> 00:50:06.179
it doesn't really make sense. It's like, oh no,

00:50:06.260 --> 00:50:09.260
it does make sense in the, in the context of

00:50:09.260 --> 00:50:12.920
like, this guy was born the owner of this other

00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.019
guy. Like, you know? Yeah, exactly. He owns him.

00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:19.639
And so like, that makes this relationship weird.

00:50:19.980 --> 00:50:22.199
Like, it's not that it's, you know, not well

00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.579
written. It's just like, that's the weird thing.

00:50:25.099 --> 00:50:26.860
I guess that really is the weird thing. It's

00:50:26.860 --> 00:50:30.260
almost like the master in some ways. There is

00:50:30.260 --> 00:50:34.139
the master -servant relationship thing and the

00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:37.679
complexity of being in love with each other.

00:50:37.780 --> 00:50:40.940
The master loving the servant and vice versa.

00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:43.619
It's a very, very interesting thing to explore.

00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:47.420
Because it's fundamentally an examination of

00:50:47.420 --> 00:50:50.639
the nature of power and just how power exists

00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.559
in all relationships. It's not like somebody's

00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:57.300
always going to be dominating over someone else

00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:00.380
in every aspect, but there are just certain personality

00:51:00.380 --> 00:51:03.239
traits that trump other ones. Or circumstances.

00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.659
Or circumstances where one person often has to

00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:09.820
sacrifice more than the other in a lot of relationships.

00:51:09.820 --> 00:51:13.019
It's hard to find a very... even that's like

00:51:13.019 --> 00:51:14.599
part of what's difficult about our relationships

00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.860
is like it's hard to find an even keel of give

00:51:17.860 --> 00:51:21.059
and take and like it's only when you have this

00:51:21.059 --> 00:51:23.420
perfect equilibrium that you can't say somebody

00:51:23.420 --> 00:51:26.440
is a master or a servant anymore but like once

00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:29.920
the scale tips you have a clear relationship

00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.619
of power you have a clear power dynamic where

00:51:32.619 --> 00:51:34.820
one person has more power than the other this

00:51:34.820 --> 00:51:37.179
is obviously a story where like the amount of

00:51:37.179 --> 00:51:39.800
power the landowner has just grows and grows

00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:42.800
and the amount of power that the worker has recedes

00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.960
which leads to a revolutionary spirit among the

00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.039
workers and it's like that power imbalance is

00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:50.840
always like that's going to destroy any relationship

00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:53.360
right like you can't really have like it's an

00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.960
abusive relationship you can't have like even

00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:57.880
if somebody is like tilling the land and somebody

00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.420
is the head you know just like running the operation

00:52:00.420 --> 00:52:02.920
the political part of it or whatever it is like

00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.260
there has to be an acknowledgement of that like

00:52:05.260 --> 00:52:07.059
that these things are in synergy and they need

00:52:07.059 --> 00:52:10.119
one another and if you're only kind of giving

00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.239
resources and energy to one part of it and not

00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:14.940
the other then that thing dissolves like you

00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:17.360
do need the workers like yeah i understand they're

00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.480
replaceable but they're just as replaceable as

00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.340
the padrone like all this stuff is like the padrone

00:52:22.340 --> 00:52:24.599
is absolutely replaceable and and bert lancaster

00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.179
like uh knew that you know what i mean it's all

00:52:27.179 --> 00:52:29.340
milk and shit that's the thing like whereas i

00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:33.400
don't know that sterling hayden really was replaceable

00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:37.420
Like Leo. He was not replaced by better men necessarily.

00:52:38.380 --> 00:52:40.199
That's true. Burt Lancaster was not replaced

00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:41.840
by better. You're right. You're right. That's

00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.460
the thing. You're right. He had respect for the

00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:46.619
thing enough that he did bring something to the

00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:49.420
table. Yeah, exactly. But he also, what about

00:52:49.420 --> 00:52:53.219
him molesting Link from The Legend of Zelda?

00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.380
You're talking about the elder, Burt Lancaster?

00:52:55.579 --> 00:52:59.559
Yeah, yeah. Molesting Link? Like the girl. Yeah.

00:52:59.820 --> 00:53:01.739
That's an interesting scene. That's an interesting

00:53:01.739 --> 00:53:05.380
scene because it's like very, very like rapey

00:53:05.380 --> 00:53:07.579
and weird, but it's like kept light because.

00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:11.599
he chooses to do it in a way where the girl is

00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:13.280
not threatened at all. And like, she's almost

00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.059
kind of like too oblivious and like she can grab

00:53:16.059 --> 00:53:17.880
his penis and not feel like, I don't know what

00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:19.699
the hell is animal or something like, like what

00:53:19.699 --> 00:53:23.199
the hell even is this? Like, yeah, yeah. She's

00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.980
not, she's not really fully human or something.

00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.539
It's weird. It is weird. Cause he also says like,

00:53:28.579 --> 00:53:30.940
go tell them that, you know, the Padrona is dead.

00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:33.059
And then she goes back and then like, apparently

00:53:33.059 --> 00:53:35.880
it dawns on her while she's dancing to tell them

00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.340
that the Padrona is dead. Like in the middle,

00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.420
it's so surreal. It is very surreal, yeah. It

00:53:40.420 --> 00:53:43.719
feels like intentionally unrealistic or something.

00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:45.340
There's something super surreal about it. Well,

00:53:45.340 --> 00:53:45.940
there's a lot of surreal elements about the movie.

00:53:45.940 --> 00:53:48.679
Similar, I think, to the molestation in The Conformist

00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:52.019
that feels similarly surreal. Sure. If you remember

00:53:52.019 --> 00:53:54.000
the molestation situation in The Conformist is

00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:57.619
the guy gives him a gun and then, like, makes

00:53:57.619 --> 00:54:01.920
him shoot him. Yeah. It's like, it's super weird.

00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:04.599
Like, and doesn't, it's like, it's a, it's, it's

00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:06.900
like a way of talking about like a guy making

00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:09.239
you come or something. And it's like, and he's

00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.880
using a gun and violence and sexuality and this

00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:14.300
thing that doesn't quite add up. There's something

00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:17.679
weird and creepy. Yeah. But I, I really like

00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.360
these weird, creepy Bertolucci scenes. Like I

00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.239
think about them. I think they're interesting

00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:25.440
and they feel like. There's something real to

00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:27.559
them or something. It feels like him trying to

00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:30.639
confess something. You know what I mean? About

00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:33.139
his childhood or something. I don't know. But

00:54:33.139 --> 00:54:35.019
a lot of his movies feel that way. Yeah. Some

00:54:35.019 --> 00:54:37.860
weird stuff went down. But yeah, other than that

00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:40.539
situation, he brought a lot to the table. But

00:54:40.539 --> 00:54:43.039
I think that, you know, Bertolucci does undermine

00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:47.079
all of his potential angelicness by having him

00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:49.719
like molested, like obviously like what, 12 or

00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.019
13 year old girl. Yeah. And this is also in...

00:54:53.019 --> 00:54:55.139
He also doesn't go through with it and then kills

00:54:55.139 --> 00:54:57.579
himself. So is it something that he did often?

00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:00.079
Or is it something that he thought of doing and

00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.780
then killed himself for thinking of doing and

00:55:02.780 --> 00:55:04.559
didn't quite do? Like, you know what I mean?

00:55:04.780 --> 00:55:08.760
Yeah, exactly. And this ties very much with The

00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.360
Last Emperor, which, would you want to get into

00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:13.380
that now? Yeah, sure. Well, the other thing I

00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:15.000
wanted to think about was the relationship this

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.949
movie has to communism. And the way that sort

00:55:17.949 --> 00:55:20.969
of the Sterling Hayden character and all of the

00:55:20.969 --> 00:55:23.349
farmhands have this sort of communist ideology.

00:55:24.250 --> 00:55:26.750
And in the end, when they feel like they've won,

00:55:26.829 --> 00:55:30.250
we have this sort of idyllic vision of like a

00:55:30.250 --> 00:55:32.670
communist takeover of this farm. And then it's

00:55:32.670 --> 00:55:35.329
like, well, no, it's a false promise. It's not

00:55:35.329 --> 00:55:37.670
going to go that way. But there is this sort

00:55:37.670 --> 00:55:41.929
of like very sunny view of communism kind of

00:55:41.929 --> 00:55:45.360
presented. I think almost like... over -the -top

00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:48.719
-ly romantically. And I think that it is undermined

00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:51.800
by the sort of brutality with which they treat

00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.300
Regina and Attila. Not that they don't deserve

00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:57.539
it, but there's something interesting about these

00:55:57.539 --> 00:55:59.559
guys sitting around talking about their ideology

00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.599
and communism and whatever, while there's a woman

00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:06.539
screaming in the background to save her dying

00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:08.579
husband, and then they just kind of shoot him

00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:11.019
and then cut her hair. It's like there's this...

00:56:11.710 --> 00:56:14.710
total because that is barbaric inhuman like thing

00:56:14.710 --> 00:56:16.429
that's like no we know that they deserve this

00:56:16.429 --> 00:56:20.469
but also doesn't it taint the romance of this

00:56:20.469 --> 00:56:24.269
beautiful vision to like feature that kind of

00:56:24.269 --> 00:56:27.750
so ugly and brutally there are more just ways

00:56:27.750 --> 00:56:30.250
and humane ways they could deal with that like

00:56:30.250 --> 00:56:32.869
they are not really pushed to that violence for

00:56:32.869 --> 00:56:36.269
any like that's not necessary violence it's very

00:56:36.269 --> 00:56:40.369
vengeful Yeah. I mean, the way that they treat

00:56:40.369 --> 00:56:43.570
them like chattel and whatever and dehumanize

00:56:43.570 --> 00:56:46.750
them as they're dying, I think. But that dehumanizes

00:56:46.750 --> 00:56:48.690
them as well. You know, like we've said before

00:56:48.690 --> 00:56:51.429
about like the Nazis and stuff is. Right. They

00:56:51.429 --> 00:56:53.750
become dehumanized because of the way they're

00:56:53.750 --> 00:56:56.010
treating them too. And like, I know it's like

00:56:56.010 --> 00:56:59.480
a left sticking point because. There is always

00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:01.380
going to kind of be this conflict about the necessity

00:57:01.380 --> 00:57:04.340
of violence and when it's okay to use it and

00:57:04.340 --> 00:57:07.739
what is being humane and do you just accept we're

00:57:07.739 --> 00:57:11.780
all animals and is that justice? This is discussed

00:57:11.780 --> 00:57:14.639
in Hateful Eight, you know, frontier justice

00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:18.159
and state justice and which one has the more

00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.539
potential to be an abuse of justice and whatever.

00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:23.760
But I think it's a purge, you know what I mean?

00:57:23.820 --> 00:57:25.760
It is a purge, but, like, regardless of how you

00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:28.179
feel about it, I mean, regardless of what it

00:57:28.179 --> 00:57:30.679
actually is, I just think you're right that that

00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:33.460
moment feels kind of gross. There's not really,

00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:35.920
like, a, um, you don't feel, like, really good

00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:38.380
about that. Which, maybe that's the thing, because,

00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:41.920
like, there's something about the beginning when

00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.559
you don't know them yet. You know what I mean?

00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.219
They, like, run out there, they stab them or

00:57:46.219 --> 00:57:48.739
whatever. It's honestly, like, more fun than

00:57:48.739 --> 00:57:51.340
later when you see it again. Or something, you

00:57:51.340 --> 00:57:52.980
know what I mean? Like, there's, like, there's

00:57:52.980 --> 00:57:54.239
something about, like, I don't really know what's

00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:55.760
going on here, but this is kind of hilarious.

00:57:55.980 --> 00:57:59.179
Like, this guy must deserve it. Like, I don't

00:57:59.179 --> 00:58:00.139
know what the fuck is, you know what I mean?

00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.219
It's also, like, they don't know that they're

00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:05.840
killing them for the raping of the kid and stuff.

00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:10.300
Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's the stuff that happens

00:58:10.300 --> 00:58:12.420
in the prison at the end where he's actually

00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:14.639
just killing people. No, yeah, he's just killing

00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.820
people, but... It's really not until that very

00:58:17.820 --> 00:58:20.139
end sequence, though, the whistling sequence,

00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.599
that's amazing, where he actually does start

00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:28.079
doing real harm to the workers. Because the kid

00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:31.539
that they kill is a bourgeoisie kid. Yeah, yeah,

00:58:31.579 --> 00:58:34.019
yeah. And a lot of the other people that they're

00:58:34.019 --> 00:58:36.860
attacking are the other bourgeoisie people. It's

00:58:36.860 --> 00:58:39.019
just that what he's doing is keeping down the

00:58:39.019 --> 00:58:42.360
farmers and stuff. And it's not until... That

00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:47.260
very late period that he really is kind of indistinguishably

00:58:47.260 --> 00:58:50.019
killing people. Totally. Yeah, absolutely. He

00:58:50.019 --> 00:58:52.380
loses it. He becomes a total mad dog. So it makes

00:58:52.380 --> 00:58:54.679
sense that this justice would happen or whatever.

00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:57.559
It is what it is. It's animalistic. It's nature.

00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.559
And he just goads him on. He accepts it. He admits

00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:04.460
to his murders. He admits to killing everybody

00:59:04.460 --> 00:59:06.980
that he killed. Then he has that great line where

00:59:06.980 --> 00:59:10.420
he says, Regina, our children will... harvest

00:59:10.420 --> 00:59:14.079
the seeds we planted yeah exactly it was like

00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:18.280
such a cynical end of this movie i think really

00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:21.099
because that's well what happens after that is

00:59:21.099 --> 00:59:23.760
like yeah he gets shot then the revolution has

00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.840
to give up all their guns and then Then fucking

00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:29.599
Italy's in shambles for a long time, basically.

00:59:29.780 --> 00:59:31.719
Things did not get better for these people, I'm

00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:35.119
sure. Like, the Padrone probably things got better

00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:37.760
for everybody else. Yeah, man, I mean, World

00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:41.199
War I was very destructive for Italy, and that's

00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:43.760
why they became fascistic. That's, like, what

00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.239
led... One of the many elements that led to the

00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.780
fascistic takeover was the destruction from World

00:59:48.780 --> 00:59:52.860
War I. Right, of course. And, like... but also

00:59:52.860 --> 00:59:55.960
it's simply a process of modernization like because

00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:59.099
before world war one they they were just kingdoms

00:59:59.099 --> 01:00:01.280
and became like the kingdom of italy and stuff

01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:04.019
like they were it was not a modern plate i mean

01:00:04.019 --> 01:00:06.139
we talked about this in the tenant episode but

01:00:06.139 --> 01:00:09.619
like those wars just became a chance for the

01:00:09.619 --> 01:00:12.360
fascistic power centers to gain power and control

01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:14.860
over more things. That was, like, they were opportunities

01:00:14.860 --> 01:00:19.300
for, like, these political entities to marry

01:00:19.300 --> 01:00:23.219
with the capitalistic entities and do that by

01:00:23.219 --> 01:00:26.699
harvesting the hatred, anger, and desperation

01:00:26.699 --> 01:00:29.199
of the population in, like, desperate times.

01:00:29.500 --> 01:00:32.019
Yeah, the frustration. Yeah, exactly. And it's

01:00:32.019 --> 01:00:35.539
very easy to weaponize people. um, make neighbors

01:00:35.539 --> 01:00:38.039
fight. It's also just like, it's crazy how this

01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:39.800
stuff kind of just happens over and over again.

01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:42.380
Like, I feel like we're in fucking groundhog's

01:00:42.380 --> 01:00:44.300
day. Like recently I've been feeling that too,

01:00:44.380 --> 01:00:46.440
about all like the Iran war stuff. Cause it's

01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:48.579
just like, we're like, we're like stuck in a

01:00:48.579 --> 01:00:51.679
weird ceasefire. That's not a ceasefire where

01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:54.079
like, you know, our president kind of just says

01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:56.099
something every week to like calm the markets

01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:58.679
and rinse and repeat. And it's like, what's actually

01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:00.280
happening. What's progressive. Like when does

01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:03.320
reality catch up with like, what's happening

01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:04.980
in the media you know i mean it's also weird

01:01:04.980 --> 01:01:07.320
like everything just feels so and then everything

01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:10.719
feels like a big repetition of other like a dumber

01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:12.840
more watered -down version of other conflicts

01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:15.500
and just you know it's like was this just like

01:01:15.500 --> 01:01:18.619
yeah the stupidest self versus tragedy than his

01:01:18.619 --> 01:01:21.079
force it's hard to even know like who benefits

01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.300
from this one or like what the power like what

01:01:23.300 --> 01:01:26.880
was the intent of the power shift as opposed

01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:28.800
to the reality of it and we just like don't know

01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:30.869
any of that yet And like, what will the actual

01:01:30.869 --> 01:01:34.230
story be? Because like we said, did fascism really

01:01:34.230 --> 01:01:37.210
get defeated in World War II? No. So when we

01:01:37.210 --> 01:01:41.730
talk about like the end of World War II and that

01:01:41.730 --> 01:01:43.469
this is like the start of World War III or something,

01:01:43.510 --> 01:01:45.250
like, isn't this kind of just like the continuation

01:01:45.250 --> 01:01:49.949
of values that were established by powerful states?

01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.480
in the early 1900s you know states that value

01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:58.440
like progress of technology and science as long

01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:00.780
as it benefits those in power and allows them

01:02:00.780 --> 01:02:04.960
to cut out more and more workers like yeah it's

01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:06.679
just fucking it's still the landowners versus

01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.449
the workers And that's been such a fucking conversation

01:02:09.449 --> 01:02:11.769
recently with the AI and just like, you know,

01:02:11.789 --> 01:02:13.349
how many people are losing jobs? Just like how

01:02:13.349 --> 01:02:15.730
fucked these graduates are right now. Just like

01:02:15.730 --> 01:02:19.190
being sold the promise of like, you can do code.

01:02:19.230 --> 01:02:21.309
Like there's a future. There's a pot of gold

01:02:21.309 --> 01:02:22.829
at the end of this rainbow. And then getting

01:02:22.829 --> 01:02:25.550
out to the job market, it's like how many fucking

01:02:25.550 --> 01:02:28.809
generate, like how many fucking classes of kids

01:02:28.809 --> 01:02:30.769
now have come out into a job market? That's just

01:02:30.769 --> 01:02:33.190
like. Cause this happened to us too. We went

01:02:33.190 --> 01:02:34.530
out to the job market and then the recession

01:02:34.530 --> 01:02:36.489
happened and shit. And it's just like, dude,

01:02:36.530 --> 01:02:39.250
it's like, there's no, there's no, like nothing

01:02:39.250 --> 01:02:41.389
is stable. So you can't like, I don't know what

01:02:41.389 --> 01:02:43.989
I'm going to tell my kid. He should do, you know?

01:02:44.510 --> 01:02:46.309
And like, he's going to be instilled with so

01:02:46.309 --> 01:02:49.369
much more radical leftist, anti -establishment,

01:02:49.369 --> 01:02:52.809
anti -fascist and capitalist views than I probably

01:02:52.809 --> 01:02:55.469
was. Not because I want to. Communist with holes

01:02:55.469 --> 01:02:57.829
in his pocket. Yeah. Yeah. So he can jerk off

01:02:57.829 --> 01:03:04.130
without anyone knowing. It's the double meaning,

01:03:04.289 --> 01:03:07.170
yeah. Yeah, the double meaning, exactly. Anyway,

01:03:07.849 --> 01:03:09.889
done with my rant. You want to take a quick break

01:03:09.889 --> 01:03:14.190
before we move on to The Last Emperor? Uh, sure.

01:03:18.969 --> 01:03:22.230
Milk and shit in the brain. Machines are like

01:03:22.230 --> 01:03:26.730
pills. Pals full of milk and shit. They share

01:03:26.730 --> 01:03:30.429
a great time. Milk and shit in the brain. They

01:03:30.429 --> 01:03:48.980
need All righty. The Last Emperor. Yeah, we were

01:03:48.980 --> 01:03:54.559
on the communism point. And obviously that is

01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:57.719
a connection between both movies. I mean, what's

01:03:57.719 --> 01:03:59.739
interesting is like, I guess I don't know a lot

01:03:59.739 --> 01:04:02.610
about Chinese history or the rise of communism

01:04:02.610 --> 01:04:06.090
in China. Mao. Mao. Yeah, exactly. But like,

01:04:06.110 --> 01:04:08.010
obviously that's like what the movie ends with,

01:04:08.050 --> 01:04:09.949
right? Is Mao and the people marching through

01:04:09.949 --> 01:04:12.730
the streets with the little red book and maybe

01:04:12.730 --> 01:04:15.000
not ends with it. But this is another movie that

01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:18.239
kind of like is bookended like 1900 where it

01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:20.900
starts close to the end of the story with the

01:04:20.900 --> 01:04:23.920
emperor as a prisoner, you know, and he's a traitor.

01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.739
Very much reduced to just like a normal man among

01:04:26.739 --> 01:04:28.599
one of the other prisoners and there's not really

01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:30.739
anything different about him. He's anonymous.

01:04:31.139 --> 01:04:33.380
He's anonymous. And then he tries to commit suicide

01:04:33.380 --> 01:04:36.610
in a bathroom. He's not anonymous at that point.

01:04:36.630 --> 01:04:38.710
Later he's anonymous. They know who he is, which

01:04:38.710 --> 01:04:41.230
I wasn't sure if they did or not. But once you

01:04:41.230 --> 01:04:42.750
figure out that they know who he is and that

01:04:42.750 --> 01:04:45.409
obviously didn't factor in at all, that's really

01:04:45.409 --> 01:04:48.670
wild. You're like, oh, okay. They know who this

01:04:48.670 --> 01:04:51.409
guy is. Just one of the people. It's awesome.

01:04:52.130 --> 01:04:56.110
It's very ideological. It's very like if you

01:04:56.110 --> 01:04:59.869
let college students run things. You know what

01:04:59.869 --> 01:05:02.750
I mean? No, for sure. But also, you know, it

01:05:02.750 --> 01:05:05.599
makes sense in the new world. The authority of

01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:08.679
the emperor and the empire being questioned.

01:05:08.739 --> 01:05:11.860
And just like fascism rose up in Italy, communism

01:05:11.860 --> 01:05:15.539
rose up in China for very similar reasons. Modernization.

01:05:15.940 --> 01:05:18.940
Yeah. Yeah, most of that is modernization. And

01:05:18.940 --> 01:05:22.639
so, I mean, both of these are totalitarian ideologies

01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:25.199
and both the result of modernization, I think.

01:05:25.300 --> 01:05:27.630
Just like... just a couple of different ways

01:05:27.630 --> 01:05:29.829
of looking at it or like, yeah, if you like a

01:05:29.829 --> 01:05:32.969
couple of different ways of responding to modernization,

01:05:32.969 --> 01:05:36.269
because yeah, I guess like, I don't know. That's

01:05:36.269 --> 01:05:38.190
the thing is like, I feel like the conversation

01:05:38.190 --> 01:05:41.949
of fascism and socialism was much more present

01:05:41.949 --> 01:05:47.250
in 1900 than it is in the last emperor. What's

01:05:47.250 --> 01:05:48.849
interesting about the last emperor is it's like

01:05:48.849 --> 01:05:52.489
very small compared to 1900. It's an epic. Like

01:05:52.489 --> 01:05:54.849
it falls. That also, it's to me again, it's like,

01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:57.539
The 1900 is the story of what happens on this

01:05:57.539 --> 01:06:00.639
one kind of protected farm. You know what I mean?

01:06:00.659 --> 01:06:02.280
There's no war happening there. Exactly, yeah,

01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:05.539
yeah. And it's got the same fucking big red walls.

01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:08.420
You know what I mean? Remember when they have

01:06:08.420 --> 01:06:10.679
to paint the walls again at the end of 1900?

01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.000
And they're like, get the red, more red, cover

01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.280
the fascist logos. And it's like the exact same

01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:19.320
red as the walls of the temple. Yeah, yeah. I

01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:22.039
do think it's interesting how in 1900 the smallness

01:06:22.039 --> 01:06:24.909
is interesting as well. where they are rebelling

01:06:24.909 --> 01:06:26.750
against the hand that feeds them. They're kind

01:06:26.750 --> 01:06:30.429
of striking and rebelling against this small

01:06:30.429 --> 01:06:34.369
group of Padronis. But I guess in 1900, it begins

01:06:34.369 --> 01:06:37.230
to expand, and their little local thing becomes

01:06:37.230 --> 01:06:39.690
a little bit more part of a bigger thing, because

01:06:39.690 --> 01:06:41.250
that's also kind of what's happening with the

01:06:41.250 --> 01:06:44.349
Padronis as well. The Padronis are also having

01:06:44.349 --> 01:06:46.769
their Bilderberg meeting in the church where

01:06:46.769 --> 01:06:48.469
they get together, and they're all like, we're

01:06:48.469 --> 01:06:50.340
just going to work together, right? To make sure

01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:52.019
that, because we all need this work of rebellion

01:06:52.019 --> 01:06:54.000
to be suppressed. And yeah, I don't think you

01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:55.880
see as much of that in The Last Emperor, but

01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:59.579
I do think both stories are small, but they imply

01:06:59.579 --> 01:07:02.480
bigger things. I think there's a good deal of

01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:04.639
that in The Last Emperor, too. It's just sort

01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:09.420
of hidden from Puyi. I think he's much like Alfredo.

01:07:09.500 --> 01:07:13.280
He's in this extremely privileged place. Far

01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:15.760
more than Alfredo, obviously. Yeah, yeah. And

01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:19.380
that kind of defines his personality and his

01:07:19.380 --> 01:07:22.079
interests. I mean, he is more, like the thing

01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:25.659
that's highlighted, I like the Peter O'Toole's

01:07:25.659 --> 01:07:28.480
in this movie. Yeah, yeah. And he's like the

01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:32.059
British guy who comes in to like teach. Scottish.

01:07:32.619 --> 01:07:34.780
Oh, sorry. Yeah, he's a Scottish guy who like

01:07:34.780 --> 01:07:39.639
comes in to teach Puyi some culture. I mean,

01:07:39.659 --> 01:07:41.019
those are some of the most fun scenes in the

01:07:41.019 --> 01:07:44.289
movie. Puyi is a very enjoyable character at

01:07:44.289 --> 01:07:45.710
the beginning when he's young, and he gets more

01:07:45.710 --> 01:07:47.949
and more miserable and insufferable as the movie

01:07:47.949 --> 01:07:51.170
goes on. Yeah, but I don't know, man. He's pretty

01:07:51.170 --> 01:07:53.809
shitty, too. He's just happy because he's being

01:07:53.809 --> 01:07:56.429
spoiled when he's young. No, no, he's funny.

01:07:56.429 --> 01:07:58.809
He's pretty young when he makes his... He's always

01:07:58.809 --> 01:08:01.309
a piece of shit. Puyi is kind of not a likable

01:08:01.309 --> 01:08:04.329
character as a person. But he makes the eunuch

01:08:04.329 --> 01:08:07.570
drink the ink when he's young. Yeah, it's shitty.

01:08:07.750 --> 01:08:10.070
He's a shitty person. But it's fun. It's a fun

01:08:10.070 --> 01:08:13.050
scene. That probably killed him, right? Maybe.

01:08:13.909 --> 01:08:16.970
Possibly. I don't know. Apparently one of the

01:08:16.970 --> 01:08:19.329
things that this movie just doesn't emphasize

01:08:19.329 --> 01:08:25.369
or really underreports even is how brutal he

01:08:25.369 --> 01:08:27.569
was, especially when he was really young, just

01:08:27.569 --> 01:08:32.609
having eunuchs beaten for fun and really enjoyed

01:08:32.609 --> 01:08:35.699
the torture of people, apparently. They should

01:08:35.699 --> 01:08:37.279
have just gone all the way because I found him

01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:39.359
really unlikable. The thing is, I still think

01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.319
that's gotten across in the scene where he makes

01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:44.859
the guy drink the ink. That's brutal. Oh, that's

01:08:44.859 --> 01:08:47.220
fucked, dude. He's probably going to die, yeah.

01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:51.020
That probably encapsulates as much of my memory

01:08:51.020 --> 01:08:53.420
of the movie as it does that guy's memory of

01:08:53.420 --> 01:08:54.979
his life. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, that's

01:08:54.979 --> 01:08:56.460
fucked up, dude. It's powerful enough that it

01:08:56.460 --> 01:08:59.479
can stand in for all of the torture of all of

01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:02.539
the people. That I'm sure he did do, you know?

01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:05.739
It's implied because, you know, you can see just

01:09:05.739 --> 01:09:08.479
like how he treats them in front of guests. He's

01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:10.779
like, he's trying to impress the other kid with

01:09:10.779 --> 01:09:13.180
like what he can do and what power is because

01:09:13.180 --> 01:09:15.420
the kid's like questioning his power and saying,

01:09:15.420 --> 01:09:16.640
you're not really the emperor anymore, which

01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:18.840
is like technically true. But they hid that from

01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:21.000
him. That's the whole thing. Apparently it was

01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:25.520
along with his like discovery that he was sort

01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.979
of. imprisoned and not the emperor that he increasingly

01:09:28.979 --> 01:09:32.699
was more uh sadistic yeah that makes sense um

01:09:32.699 --> 01:09:36.000
according to some sources i don't know you know

01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.039
but yeah yeah i mean that makes sense but it

01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:42.739
really is like he is a pretty great representation

01:09:42.739 --> 01:09:46.100
of a victim who is a monster right like you can't

01:09:46.100 --> 01:09:48.899
really justify his actions who he is his personality

01:09:48.899 --> 01:09:51.359
but like but he's not really an adult either

01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:54.689
yeah yeah Like he did bad things and all that,

01:09:54.750 --> 01:09:57.770
but like he's never, he's not Olmo. You know

01:09:57.770 --> 01:09:59.989
what I mean? No, exactly. He's never really,

01:10:00.090 --> 01:10:03.850
he's never lived in a real world. Yeah. He's

01:10:03.850 --> 01:10:06.810
like an Alfredo. He never developed. Yeah, it's

01:10:06.810 --> 01:10:09.329
like he's not socialized. He doesn't really like,

01:10:09.409 --> 01:10:12.229
yeah. And to me, like watching this movie recently,

01:10:12.430 --> 01:10:14.689
like it just really stands out to me. They're

01:10:14.689 --> 01:10:17.699
like, oh man, Puyi is like kind of. all of us

01:10:17.699 --> 01:10:20.199
like in the west you know what i mean at least

01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:21.579
in america where it's just kind of like we've

01:10:21.579 --> 01:10:24.640
got this sort of isolation from all of its collapsing

01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:28.520
around us you know what i mean and like this

01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:31.539
idea of ourselves that we're holding on to is

01:10:31.539 --> 01:10:34.680
kind of just a farce to like make us feel okay

01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:37.439
with all of these things that are being i don't

01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:39.500
know stripped away like it's There's something

01:10:39.500 --> 01:10:41.939
about The Last Emperor that really resonates

01:10:41.939 --> 01:10:45.380
with me. And I think also with 1900. It's these

01:10:45.380 --> 01:10:49.380
real tidal shifts of cultures, things. And to

01:10:49.380 --> 01:10:54.239
me, it really resonates to be on the farm, supposedly

01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:57.239
isolated from that shift or in the Forbidden

01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:01.340
City. Like you're being stripped of power and

01:11:01.340 --> 01:11:04.239
your country is being sold. And like, you know

01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:06.039
what I mean? Like by the end of this movie, he's

01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:07.979
just hanging out with the Japanese who are the

01:11:07.979 --> 01:11:11.260
people that are actually at the time doing like

01:11:11.260 --> 01:11:13.800
the rape of Nanking or whatever. Like, you know

01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:16.159
what I mean? It's actually the type of atrocities

01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:18.079
they're pulling off is like, they're just like,

01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:20.529
they're just. guys competing to see how many

01:11:20.529 --> 01:11:24.130
heads they can cut off and people just like raping

01:11:24.130 --> 01:11:26.609
and killing people like one after the next, after

01:11:26.609 --> 01:11:29.529
the next. They were brutal. It's very well known

01:11:29.529 --> 01:11:32.649
and documented that they were brutal. Yeah. The

01:11:32.649 --> 01:11:36.069
most brutal in the almost ancient. It's really,

01:11:36.130 --> 01:11:37.970
that's a very interesting part of the story is

01:11:37.970 --> 01:11:40.470
the, cause you know, that like, you know, did

01:11:40.470 --> 01:11:43.590
a little bit of light research on just. Cause

01:11:43.590 --> 01:11:45.229
I was like, wanting to know like, what, where

01:11:45.229 --> 01:11:47.029
does this even happen in time? And it's like,

01:11:47.130 --> 01:11:49.810
okay, so this is the end of the King, the King

01:11:49.810 --> 01:11:53.390
dynasty or the King dynasty, which basically

01:11:53.390 --> 01:11:57.149
like controlled China for most of its pre -modern

01:11:57.149 --> 01:11:59.449
existence or whatever, you know? So it's interesting

01:11:59.449 --> 01:12:02.109
to see a movie right now about the end of an

01:12:02.109 --> 01:12:06.310
empire, about the dying days of, something that

01:12:06.310 --> 01:12:08.710
had influence and identity. And yeah, that it

01:12:08.710 --> 01:12:11.050
is like, it's basically already ended when Puyi

01:12:11.050 --> 01:12:13.090
is born. No, I know. But like, he's being hid

01:12:13.090 --> 01:12:15.149
from the fact that it's changed and still being

01:12:15.149 --> 01:12:18.029
sold this idea that things are the way they were.

01:12:18.189 --> 01:12:20.810
And like, he's the king. Yeah. And so, yeah,

01:12:20.850 --> 01:12:22.250
you're right. Like that really resonates right

01:12:22.250 --> 01:12:25.350
now. Like watching this while seeing the decline

01:12:25.350 --> 01:12:28.289
of the American empire and just like the behavior

01:12:28.289 --> 01:12:30.609
of Trump as a child and all this kind of stuff.

01:12:30.609 --> 01:12:33.880
And this really just maladjusted. thing that

01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:38.300
is the rot of america kind of like the chickens

01:12:38.300 --> 01:12:40.819
coming home to roost or whatever that like it's

01:12:40.819 --> 01:12:43.220
happened in so many societies before so many

01:12:43.220 --> 01:12:45.840
empires and cultures affluent cultures but like

01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:48.880
trump feels just as shielded from it all as like

01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:50.920
the average person does like he also feels like

01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:52.560
a person who just like doesn't really know what's

01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.479
going on He is a, like, king who doesn't really

01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:57.399
have as much. Like, I know this gives him more,

01:12:57.520 --> 01:12:59.880
you know, like, I think he's a big boy. He's

01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:02.159
responsible for decisions he makes. But, like,

01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:04.460
the kid in this movie, like, does he even make

01:13:04.460 --> 01:13:06.239
decisions? Is there any political thing he's

01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:08.479
privy to? The movie doesn't actually ever, like,

01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:13.420
show him. He wants to make reforms. Yeah. But

01:13:13.420 --> 01:13:15.939
he wants to reform the Forbidden City. Like,

01:13:15.939 --> 01:13:20.479
he's already not in charge of China. Yeah, he

01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:22.479
wants to reform the Forbidden City and the prison

01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:25.189
that he's been put in. or whatever so it's like

01:13:25.189 --> 01:13:27.270
is that trump right now like the only thing you

01:13:27.270 --> 01:13:30.010
could do is like build a ballroom like i want

01:13:30.010 --> 01:13:33.289
some reform and it's uh it's gonna be a ballroom

01:13:33.289 --> 01:13:36.250
that i build here with like a state of the art

01:13:36.250 --> 01:13:38.130
you know it's just like it's stupid it's like

01:13:38.130 --> 01:13:40.170
it is like very what's actually happening in

01:13:40.170 --> 01:13:43.569
china is you know there's like several changes

01:13:43.569 --> 01:13:46.029
of power you know outside the walls you just

01:13:46.029 --> 01:13:48.750
basically just hear explosions happening and

01:13:48.750 --> 01:13:51.100
whatever but it's like Yeah, there's other people

01:13:51.100 --> 01:13:53.020
who are actually running the show. It's just

01:13:53.020 --> 01:13:57.560
that, like, he's the emperor. Yeah, puppet emperor,

01:13:57.739 --> 01:14:00.680
which he's referred to as, especially retrospectively.

01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:03.479
He has no respect. He grows up and just becomes

01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:05.739
more and more powerless until he's actually just

01:14:05.739 --> 01:14:07.779
like one of the, yeah, just a nobody. Until he's

01:14:07.779 --> 01:14:10.819
actually just dissolved into Maoist communist

01:14:10.819 --> 01:14:13.779
China. It's true. He becomes a communist. He's

01:14:13.779 --> 01:14:16.840
just dissolved. He just becomes a citizen, a

01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:19.739
nameless. faceless citizen and that to me is

01:14:19.739 --> 01:14:22.680
so romantic like it's so it's weird because it

01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:25.880
also like feels oppressive and fascistic and

01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:28.659
like it's aesthetically displeasing you know

01:14:28.659 --> 01:14:31.880
what i mean totally yeah the communist takeover

01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:34.760
that he goes through but it also it almost again

01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:37.000
it feels almost like communist propaganda again

01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:40.159
where it's like it does feel like it's good for

01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:44.079
him you know yeah the really all puy really needed

01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:47.720
was to just be uh fruit salesman or whatever

01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:51.420
in some faceless chinese town i'm trying to look

01:14:51.420 --> 01:14:53.340
at that right now because that's like i'm blanking

01:14:53.340 --> 01:14:56.380
a little bit i'm like he's like i guess at the

01:14:56.380 --> 01:14:59.100
end he's a botanist he's a botanist yeah yeah

01:14:59.100 --> 01:15:01.199
sure he's like taking care of he's like taking

01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:03.319
care of some plants yeah i don't know that's

01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:06.939
what he always needed to be he's a lowly botanist

01:15:06.939 --> 01:15:10.520
he's wearing his gray he's wearing his gray work

01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:12.659
clothes you have that like imagine scene where

01:15:12.659 --> 01:15:15.489
he's like talking to that kid He's like, oh yeah,

01:15:15.609 --> 01:15:17.510
I used to be the last, I was the last emperor

01:15:17.510 --> 01:15:21.750
of China. Here, look at my cricket. Yeah, exactly.

01:15:22.529 --> 01:15:27.750
It's like overly romantic. And so, yeah, it goes

01:15:27.750 --> 01:15:29.890
all the way into the 60s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He

01:15:29.890 --> 01:15:35.170
lives until like 60, what? Seven? 67, yeah. I

01:15:35.170 --> 01:15:36.970
think that's in the last, the last words of the

01:15:36.970 --> 01:15:38.670
movie is like, he was the last emperor of China

01:15:38.670 --> 01:15:41.800
and he died in 1967. He gets power again for

01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:44.560
a moment. The Japanese, like, reestablish him

01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:47.039
as a puppet emperor again. Yeah, but this is

01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:50.159
the leader of Manchuria, which, like, was a puppet

01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:52.140
empire so that they could loot Manchuria, the

01:15:52.140 --> 01:15:53.579
Japanese could loot Manchuria. Exactly, yeah,

01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:56.810
yeah. But that's also because he's being handled.

01:15:57.029 --> 01:15:59.970
He's also got that supposed cousin who's his

01:15:59.970 --> 01:16:03.250
handler who comes in and gets his wife addicted

01:16:03.250 --> 01:16:07.029
to the opium and starts eating her pussy and

01:16:07.029 --> 01:16:10.289
turning everybody on him. You know what I mean?

01:16:10.390 --> 01:16:14.310
He gets destroyed by his handler, his Japanese

01:16:14.310 --> 01:16:18.250
handler, to sell his country out to the Japanese,

01:16:18.529 --> 01:16:22.170
which again resonates with America. Not so much

01:16:22.170 --> 01:16:25.750
the Japanese. Yeah, and he refuses to sign the

01:16:25.750 --> 01:16:29.369
paperwork that will make... You know what I mean?

01:16:29.789 --> 01:16:32.369
It's almost like the scene Atlas Shrugged. Yeah,

01:16:32.369 --> 01:16:34.189
the scene from The Victim. Yeah, where you have

01:16:34.189 --> 01:16:36.529
to give consent to your destruction. In Atlas

01:16:36.529 --> 01:16:37.869
Shrugged, it's like, no, that's the one thing

01:16:37.869 --> 01:16:40.189
I won't do. You'll have to do it by force. I'm

01:16:40.189 --> 01:16:41.529
not going to give consent to what you're doing.

01:16:41.729 --> 01:16:46.369
But he refuses to sign the thing. He makes a

01:16:46.369 --> 01:16:48.850
big stand and speech where everybody walks out

01:16:48.850 --> 01:16:51.800
on. And then they, like, come to him while he's

01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:54.460
at dinner and, like... And they're like, yeah,

01:16:54.460 --> 01:16:56.300
we know your wife got fucked by somebody else.

01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:58.500
Exactly. Like, they just, like, we know your

01:16:58.500 --> 01:17:00.279
wife got fucked by somebody else and then he

01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:05.020
signs it. It's, like, so pathetic. Yeah. Yeah.

01:17:05.659 --> 01:17:09.260
And then they just destroy it. They abort the

01:17:09.260 --> 01:17:12.239
kid and then she's just addicted to opiums and

01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:14.720
destroyed for the rest of the movie. Mm -hmm.

01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:17.979
Because... Yeah, the Japanese did that to her

01:17:17.979 --> 01:17:21.619
like they did to tons of Chinese. Yeah. I really

01:17:21.619 --> 01:17:23.880
like that shot where they're all waiting for

01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:26.859
the streetlight. This is like a new thing. They're

01:17:26.859 --> 01:17:29.420
all so obedient of it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:29.420 --> 01:17:32.600
The light that turns red and then they go? Yeah,

01:17:32.619 --> 01:17:33.880
yeah, yeah. It's a green light and then it turns

01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:34.779
red and they all go. It's green, yellow, red?

01:17:34.939 --> 01:17:38.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that because they're communists?

01:17:39.180 --> 01:17:43.060
Yeah, exactly. It's so weird, dude. America turns

01:17:43.060 --> 01:17:45.340
communist. Do we have to switch all of the lights?

01:17:45.460 --> 01:17:48.279
Is that the first step to becoming, turning red?

01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:52.899
Turning red. Turning red. Oh boy. But anyway,

01:17:53.020 --> 01:17:54.939
that's the end of the movie where like they're

01:17:54.939 --> 01:17:57.060
looking at the light. It turns red. He's like

01:17:57.060 --> 01:17:59.810
the botanist. He's like shopping for. i don't

01:17:59.810 --> 01:18:01.710
know corn or something and then like then the

01:18:01.710 --> 01:18:04.250
parade goes by the reds and the pictures of mao

01:18:04.250 --> 01:18:06.189
and all that yeah i mean there's tons of red

01:18:06.189 --> 01:18:08.430
flags at the end of 1900 too if you remember

01:18:08.430 --> 01:18:11.909
red flags until the 60s but also that's the thing

01:18:11.909 --> 01:18:13.829
though is like that's the scene that's the part

01:18:13.829 --> 01:18:17.109
where um he recognizes that man who was kind

01:18:17.109 --> 01:18:19.840
to him when he was a prisoner He's wearing like

01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:21.539
a dunce cap or whatever. And this is another

01:18:21.539 --> 01:18:24.399
imagined sequence because essentially if you

01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:26.779
saw these people being berated in China and then

01:18:26.779 --> 01:18:29.460
you like stepped in and they would just be like,

01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:31.180
all right, you're one of them. And that'd be

01:18:31.180 --> 01:18:33.720
it. So people would literally just like watch

01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:36.439
their fathers being beaten to death and like

01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:38.739
have to yell and point and laugh at him while

01:18:38.739 --> 01:18:40.500
they killed their family members in front of

01:18:40.500 --> 01:18:42.119
them. That was actually my thought watching that

01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:44.119
scene where I was kind of like, I really thought

01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:45.710
they were just going to arrest him. And they

01:18:45.710 --> 01:18:47.909
don't. The reason, the reason the screenwriter

01:18:47.909 --> 01:18:50.229
says that he did that basically for, you know,

01:18:50.250 --> 01:18:52.630
emotional screenwriting reason, like, you know

01:18:52.630 --> 01:18:54.409
what I mean? It's like, he wanted to show obviously

01:18:54.409 --> 01:18:57.029
that the emperor liked that guy in the end. And

01:18:57.029 --> 01:18:58.869
he's like, no, no. Why is a good guy getting

01:18:58.869 --> 01:19:00.810
taken out? It's like, well, because these purges

01:19:00.810 --> 01:19:02.710
have to just think there's a constant, I don't,

01:19:02.729 --> 01:19:04.770
I don't know what exactly is being represented

01:19:04.770 --> 01:19:07.270
in that, which purge of which thing or whatever,

01:19:07.369 --> 01:19:09.310
but it's like, that's how communism works. It's

01:19:09.310 --> 01:19:11.329
just like a constant culling of the herd and

01:19:11.329 --> 01:19:12.949
whatever. And so like, yeah, the guy who was

01:19:12.949 --> 01:19:15.239
in charge of you at the thing is now. like and

01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.779
all the people who were who have him imprisoned

01:19:17.779 --> 01:19:19.180
and whatever and they're like yelling at him

01:19:19.180 --> 01:19:21.100
confess confess whatever they're all like fucking

01:19:21.100 --> 01:19:25.060
19 years old they're all like kids it's the next

01:19:25.060 --> 01:19:27.279
generation it's like every the next generation

01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:28.659
is obviously gonna be like yeah well that last

01:19:28.659 --> 01:19:30.960
one was evil and like fuck all of you who were

01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:32.819
in charge then and actually you should go to

01:19:32.819 --> 01:19:35.380
jail and you'll be the ones and like that's it's

01:19:35.380 --> 01:19:38.060
the the constant turnover yeah and then isn't

01:19:38.060 --> 01:19:40.640
the actual like ending ending like it goes even

01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:43.680
farther in the future he goes to his home he

01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:45.260
goes to the temple and he's like i used to live

01:19:45.260 --> 01:19:46.640
here i used to be the emperor he shows the kid

01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:48.539
a thing but then the last shot is like the other

01:19:48.539 --> 01:19:50.399
imagined sequence because apparently he'd never

01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:52.699
returned to the temple but yeah but then the

01:19:52.699 --> 01:19:54.619
last shot is actually like even farther in the

01:19:54.619 --> 01:19:57.140
future where it's now like a museum and there's

01:19:57.140 --> 01:19:59.180
like tourists there yeah it's modern day yeah

01:19:59.180 --> 01:20:01.680
yeah that girl comes in with a blow horn playing

01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:07.640
yankee doodle yeah yeah exactly he was the last

01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:11.880
emperor of China and he died in 1967 it's a nuts

01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:16.000
ending it's like very anticlimactic but after

01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:19.560
this weird kind of magical realism thing that

01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:24.380
is so cheesy after such a like non -magical realism

01:20:24.380 --> 01:20:26.720
movie like you know what i mean yeah it's really

01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:29.619
weird and again like that resonates i think with

01:20:29.619 --> 01:20:32.060
the end of 1900 where sure yeah yeah there's

01:20:32.060 --> 01:20:35.460
something so romantic about this thing but he's

01:20:35.460 --> 01:20:37.380
also under my i don't know there's something

01:20:37.380 --> 01:20:38.819
there's something about the godardness of it

01:20:38.819 --> 01:20:40.000
too there's something about his relationship

01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:43.859
to movies that are you know seducing you versus

01:20:43.859 --> 01:20:47.739
overtly dictating to you um and the whole french

01:20:47.739 --> 01:20:51.010
new waveness of his sort of career i don't have

01:20:51.010 --> 01:20:52.729
an opinion on the king dynasty and the communist

01:20:52.729 --> 01:20:55.329
takeover it's like i wonder if like i mean the

01:20:55.329 --> 01:20:58.029
dynasty lasted a very long time so i don't know

01:20:58.029 --> 01:21:00.289
so there's like there always seems to be arguments

01:21:00.289 --> 01:21:02.710
to be made for like the traditional way things

01:21:02.710 --> 01:21:05.130
were ruled and how sustainable they were and

01:21:05.130 --> 01:21:07.170
how long things lasted but like i guess that

01:21:07.170 --> 01:21:10.310
was also a world that wasn't like this is what

01:21:10.310 --> 01:21:12.550
happens if they were to modernize yeah exactly

01:21:12.550 --> 01:21:16.210
there is no other world where where you modernize

01:21:16.210 --> 01:21:20.750
and have kings like you have to either eliminate

01:21:20.750 --> 01:21:23.949
the worker or the worker has to take over. You

01:21:23.949 --> 01:21:26.310
know what I mean? Yeah. That seems to be the

01:21:26.310 --> 01:21:30.279
inevitable thing. We're like... The workers have

01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:32.560
to own it or you have to take out the workers.

01:21:32.739 --> 01:21:37.340
You can no longer be in an equilibrium with the

01:21:37.340 --> 01:21:40.699
worker and the owner and the master and the slave.

01:21:40.859 --> 01:21:43.539
That's done in modernism. Yeah, because what

01:21:43.539 --> 01:21:46.899
neither movie states is necessary. It doesn't

01:21:46.899 --> 01:21:49.960
necessarily say that the status quo was better

01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:52.720
before things changed. Maybe it was better. I

01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:54.960
don't know. Maybe it was better, but it wasn't

01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:58.300
perfect, right? I mean, he definitely highlights

01:21:58.300 --> 01:22:02.100
problems and cruelty of those times, but he also

01:22:02.100 --> 01:22:05.039
does paint it as romantically as he paints everything

01:22:05.039 --> 01:22:09.039
else. That's the thing. All of the ideas he just

01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:11.079
seems totally seduced by, as much as he seems

01:22:11.079 --> 01:22:13.640
totally seduced by everybody and super horny

01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:16.039
for everybody all the time. Everything is as

01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:18.319
romantic as possible all the time. Yeah, for

01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:21.989
sure. And we didn't even get to the music, but,

01:22:22.029 --> 01:22:25.270
like, Morconi does the music of 1900, which is,

01:22:25.289 --> 01:22:27.670
like... One of his best scores. Yeah, dude, it's

01:22:27.670 --> 01:22:31.270
great. But The Last Emperor, too. Yeah, I mean,

01:22:31.310 --> 01:22:33.750
David Byrne's a part of it, but there's also...

01:22:33.750 --> 01:22:35.529
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is it? There's a Chinese

01:22:35.529 --> 01:22:38.350
composer and, yeah, three people or something,

01:22:38.510 --> 01:22:42.029
but... Yeah, combination, but... But, yeah, I

01:22:42.029 --> 01:22:46.020
don't know, man. Like... Yeah, there really isn't

01:22:46.020 --> 01:22:48.439
an Olmo in this movie, right? It does feel way

01:22:48.439 --> 01:22:50.779
more on the Alfredo side of things, but he's

01:22:50.779 --> 01:22:55.319
even more imprisoned than Alfredo was. When Peter

01:22:55.319 --> 01:23:00.060
O'Toole comes in, it's said explicitly he's a

01:23:00.060 --> 01:23:02.979
prisoner in his own home, and he can't even leave.

01:23:03.060 --> 01:23:04.460
He can't really have a connection to anything.

01:23:04.859 --> 01:23:08.359
It's all about maintaining this illusion in this

01:23:08.359 --> 01:23:11.850
isolated... bubble and yeah like going back to

01:23:11.850 --> 01:23:13.909
what you said about like this resonating yeah

01:23:13.909 --> 01:23:16.550
like many millennials were born and raised in

01:23:16.550 --> 01:23:18.829
a time when things were pretty prosperous and

01:23:18.829 --> 01:23:21.510
they were sort of promised that things were going

01:23:21.510 --> 01:23:23.750
to be really good and that like you know like

01:23:23.750 --> 01:23:27.189
america was on top of things and we had our shit

01:23:27.189 --> 01:23:29.069
together basically you know like there they really

01:23:29.069 --> 01:23:31.069
was i remember this feeling i remember this idea

01:23:31.069 --> 01:23:34.439
is like oh man we're america and like we have

01:23:34.439 --> 01:23:36.819
power globally and like there are lots of riches

01:23:36.819 --> 01:23:39.359
to go around and there's opportunity and people

01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:41.939
are coming here to find opportunity that we have

01:23:41.939 --> 01:23:44.340
moral superiority and we deserve to lead the

01:23:44.340 --> 01:23:47.500
world and just realizing as you grow older that

01:23:47.500 --> 01:23:49.779
it's all kind of a lie and it's all there's like

01:23:49.779 --> 01:23:52.579
a facade there's a rot that's been growing for

01:23:52.579 --> 01:23:54.939
a long time that you were shielded from and right

01:23:54.939 --> 01:23:56.739
that like maybe even started before you were

01:23:56.739 --> 01:23:59.960
born yeah that did honestly the battle was already

01:23:59.960 --> 01:24:01.979
lost before you were born and then it's like

01:24:01.979 --> 01:24:05.130
exactly why were you promising this shit but

01:24:05.130 --> 01:24:07.210
people weren't getting behind it yet because

01:24:07.210 --> 01:24:10.350
like the rhetoric follows the reality right it's

01:24:10.350 --> 01:24:13.189
like the reality has to become really real before

01:24:13.189 --> 01:24:16.170
the rhetoric can match it you know like everybody

01:24:16.170 --> 01:24:19.010
has to be feeling it and um that's when it can

01:24:19.010 --> 01:24:22.130
kind of become part of the popular cultistness

01:24:22.130 --> 01:24:24.029
and lead to revolution and change and all this

01:24:24.029 --> 01:24:27.189
kind of stuff like capitalism has been really

01:24:27.189 --> 01:24:31.680
good at anesthetizing people And things can get

01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:33.819
pretty bad without people doing shit about it.

01:24:33.899 --> 01:24:36.819
But the isolation is the biggest weapon of all,

01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:39.520
just making sure people can't unify and that

01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:42.539
there aren't communities or there isn't the ability

01:24:42.539 --> 01:24:46.319
to organize in any way. But then, yeah, even

01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:49.920
if you did organize, what do you build in replacement

01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:52.720
of what you tear down? And that's the kind of

01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:55.840
fallacy of the communism being any better than

01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:58.630
the fascism or whatever, right? but yeah essentially

01:24:58.630 --> 01:25:01.789
we were all sold this lie and then like we realized

01:25:01.789 --> 01:25:03.590
that like you know we all like i said before

01:25:03.590 --> 01:25:06.510
you know graduating out into the recession we

01:25:06.510 --> 01:25:08.829
also had 9 -11 when we were like you know in

01:25:08.829 --> 01:25:10.770
middle school or something like that that was

01:25:10.770 --> 01:25:12.869
a big shock and kind of like oh wow there's like

01:25:12.869 --> 01:25:15.989
stuff going on and i don't really why this happened

01:25:15.989 --> 01:25:17.909
you know what i mean a kind of wake -up call

01:25:17.909 --> 01:25:22.029
moment and the recession and covid and yada yada

01:25:22.029 --> 01:25:23.939
yada and there's just been like really, really

01:25:23.939 --> 01:25:27.039
bad politicians. And yeah, we've just seen this

01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:28.619
decline. It just seems to become more and more

01:25:28.619 --> 01:25:31.579
evident as time goes on. And it is because of

01:25:31.579 --> 01:25:34.939
these oligarchs who actually don't care about

01:25:34.939 --> 01:25:37.420
this country because they're global elite people.

01:25:37.619 --> 01:25:39.119
You know what I mean? They're all just like doing

01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:41.640
their global elite business bullshit. And like,

01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:43.939
it doesn't, what's the, what's the line? Like,

01:25:43.939 --> 01:25:47.359
he says the forbidden city had become a theater

01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:49.420
without an audience. So why did the actors remain

01:25:49.420 --> 01:25:52.039
on the stage? It was only to steal the scenery

01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:55.789
piece by piece. And like, then they, you know,

01:25:55.789 --> 01:25:59.369
set the, the storeroom on fire or whatever to,

01:25:59.409 --> 01:26:02.369
to hide how much they had stolen and blah, blah,

01:26:02.390 --> 01:26:05.289
blah. Yeah. Because like he actually, that's

01:26:05.289 --> 01:26:07.949
what's happening is. Even the eunuchs are just

01:26:07.949 --> 01:26:10.329
looting the Forbidden City. It's a sinking ship.

01:26:10.329 --> 01:26:13.689
No, they don't have an idea of a Chinese emperor.

01:26:14.090 --> 01:26:17.250
Even the guys who cut their dicks off or their

01:26:17.250 --> 01:26:20.489
balls off to sacrifice their lives for this guy

01:26:20.489 --> 01:26:22.069
or whatever, they still don't believe in him

01:26:22.069 --> 01:26:24.390
more than they believe in capitalism or whatever,

01:26:24.569 --> 01:26:27.270
or communism, whatever it is. No, they're just

01:26:27.270 --> 01:26:30.149
play -acting, yeah. They're looting. No, yeah,

01:26:30.229 --> 01:26:34.270
and that also really just reminds me of... What's

01:26:34.270 --> 01:26:36.489
going on right now is that we just do have a

01:26:36.489 --> 01:26:38.869
bunch of looters in our government, people who

01:26:38.869 --> 01:26:42.609
don't care about this country. They can go anywhere,

01:26:42.689 --> 01:26:44.729
live anywhere, and they have allies around the

01:26:44.729 --> 01:26:47.569
world, and it's just a whole, like, elite world

01:26:47.569 --> 01:26:48.989
they exist in that has nothing to do with the

01:26:48.989 --> 01:26:50.550
rest of us, and they're just cutting us all out.

01:26:50.649 --> 01:26:52.350
All right, so just loot the forbidden city that

01:26:52.350 --> 01:26:56.770
is, you know, America. Yeah, exactly. And eventually

01:26:56.770 --> 01:26:58.750
rise to global power elsewhere. And, yeah, like,

01:26:58.789 --> 01:27:01.210
I guess in this, like, in, you know, Trump is

01:27:01.210 --> 01:27:03.250
one of the looters himself. I guess in this story,

01:27:03.369 --> 01:27:07.390
the emperor is kind of a victim. All this has

01:27:07.390 --> 01:27:10.609
been hidden from him. And yeah, it is a story

01:27:10.609 --> 01:27:14.119
of his powerlessness. try to change things or

01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:17.140
like as he matures he thinks like oh well he

01:27:17.140 --> 01:27:19.840
needs more agency but also he's just like brought

01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:23.319
a lot he's given his values by you know his japanese

01:27:23.319 --> 01:27:25.939
handler too well that's much later that's much

01:27:25.939 --> 01:27:28.399
later they're desecrating the graves of our ancestors

01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:30.859
so they're the bad ones so like fuck the chinese

01:27:30.859 --> 01:27:33.720
let's join the japanese and it's like okay, yeah,

01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:36.920
let's sell out my people because this girl told

01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:39.039
me they're desecrating the graves of the ancestors

01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:41.380
that I never met and don't care about. You know

01:27:41.380 --> 01:27:43.939
what I mean? Yeah, exactly. He's given his values

01:27:43.939 --> 01:27:45.800
by these other people too. At least some of them

01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:49.579
came from Reginald Johnson, but a lot of them

01:27:49.579 --> 01:27:53.420
just come from the party and whatever, the powers

01:27:53.420 --> 01:27:55.579
that be, people outside of his, people who are

01:27:55.579 --> 01:27:58.779
looting his own power structure. Yeah, Peter

01:27:58.779 --> 01:28:02.220
O'Toole's character is, He's trying to instill

01:28:02.220 --> 01:28:04.819
some Western values onto him. Right. And he tries

01:28:04.819 --> 01:28:06.819
to get him to leave to come to the British embassy

01:28:06.819 --> 01:28:11.340
in the end, too. But for some reason, he's caught

01:28:11.340 --> 01:28:15.579
by the Russians. But I think it's largely because

01:28:15.579 --> 01:28:18.960
he's handled by the people who are handling him.

01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:21.640
And they keep him there as the king because in

01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:23.720
the West, he's just a person. Yeah, exactly.

01:28:24.380 --> 01:28:26.779
I think he really kind of sucks the whole movie.

01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:29.500
He's not really a character. The only reason

01:28:29.500 --> 01:28:31.279
you can empathize with him is because you understand

01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:33.739
why he is that way, because he hasn't really

01:28:33.739 --> 01:28:38.159
had a choice. He is a kind of victim, but that

01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:40.300
doesn't make him very likable. It doesn't really

01:28:40.300 --> 01:28:42.300
overcome any of that, and he just continues to

01:28:42.300 --> 01:28:44.539
be sort of cruel and selfish and ego -driven

01:28:44.539 --> 01:28:49.159
and never uses his power or status to make any

01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:51.119
real change. I think a lot of that's the result

01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:54.539
of his... Yeah, he's just too privileged. Just

01:28:54.539 --> 01:28:58.359
like Alfredo. Exactly, yeah, yeah. When he gets

01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:00.279
put in prison, he's like, I've never been separated

01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:02.000
from my family before. He's like, well, you better

01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:04.220
get used to it. The whole thing where he's spying

01:29:04.220 --> 01:29:06.439
through the keyhole, and even though he's in

01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:09.800
prison, he still has servants. He's like, I can't

01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:12.380
even, you can't do anything for yourself. You've

01:29:12.380 --> 01:29:15.489
never washed yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't

01:29:15.489 --> 01:29:18.229
know how to tie his shoes. Yeah, can you drive?

01:29:18.470 --> 01:29:19.829
Like, I've had this thought about Trump before,

01:29:19.909 --> 01:29:21.430
too. Like, I wonder if Trump can even drive.

01:29:21.609 --> 01:29:22.949
Like, he's probably been chauffeured around his

01:29:22.949 --> 01:29:24.890
whole life. And it's, like, weird. Like, when

01:29:24.890 --> 01:29:26.390
you think about these things, where it's like,

01:29:26.390 --> 01:29:28.850
what is actual privilege? Like, being waited

01:29:28.850 --> 01:29:32.069
on hand and foot? The movie doesn't present that

01:29:32.069 --> 01:29:34.529
lifestyle as anything. But there is a rot that

01:29:34.529 --> 01:29:36.850
that causes. Yeah, there's a rot that causes.

01:29:37.529 --> 01:29:40.529
This is where, like, the communist sort of part

01:29:40.529 --> 01:29:42.609
of the movie kind of... See, maybe communism

01:29:42.609 --> 01:29:45.069
is good because it will just, like, level the

01:29:45.069 --> 01:29:48.510
playing field. Right, right. I mean, part of

01:29:48.510 --> 01:29:52.489
it is that the bourgeoisie are not happy being

01:29:52.489 --> 01:29:54.310
the bourgeoisie. You know what I mean? Like,

01:29:54.329 --> 01:29:56.470
that's part of the thing in both of these movies

01:29:56.470 --> 01:29:59.170
that I think is interesting. It's because of

01:29:59.170 --> 01:30:02.850
the rise of modernism and the fall of the bourgeoisie

01:30:02.850 --> 01:30:04.529
class that they're a part of and blah, blah,

01:30:04.550 --> 01:30:07.810
blah. But... Also, all of the modernism that's

01:30:07.810 --> 01:30:09.869
introduced in 1900, the painting that they're

01:30:09.869 --> 01:30:11.850
looking at, the surrealism of the painting and

01:30:11.850 --> 01:30:16.170
the whatever, like their erotic photography or

01:30:16.170 --> 01:30:20.029
the music or the new woman and stuff like all

01:30:20.029 --> 01:30:22.810
that. What does that actually contribute? These

01:30:22.810 --> 01:30:27.670
kind of empty, sad people that don't, you know

01:30:27.670 --> 01:30:30.529
what I mean? Versus the Olmos. And that's similarly

01:30:30.529 --> 01:30:32.170
explored in The Last Emperor where it's like,

01:30:32.250 --> 01:30:36.430
dude, the privilege of... That life is, yeah,

01:30:36.569 --> 01:30:38.489
there are guys smelling his poop every morning

01:30:38.489 --> 01:30:40.909
to make sure it smells right. Like, every single

01:30:40.909 --> 01:30:44.850
thing is, you know. Oh, shout out to the scene

01:30:44.850 --> 01:30:47.489
where they massage the asshole of the horse.

01:30:47.590 --> 01:30:50.369
Oh, yeah, 1900. Yeah, to get the fresh poop.

01:30:50.569 --> 01:30:53.029
He's like, this is a beautiful pile of poop.

01:30:53.470 --> 01:30:57.369
And they, like, shove it in his face. The blood

01:30:57.369 --> 01:31:01.670
and cum and milk and shit. Yeah, dude, yeah.

01:31:02.170 --> 01:31:05.750
Yeah. It's something else. I love it, dude. I

01:31:05.750 --> 01:31:10.029
love it. 1900 is like... It's sweaty. You can

01:31:10.029 --> 01:31:13.189
smell it. It's messy. It's a messy movie. It's

01:31:13.189 --> 01:31:16.689
life. It's life. The Last Emperor actually shows

01:31:16.689 --> 01:31:19.449
the much more conservative thing because in 1900,

01:31:19.710 --> 01:31:21.829
even though they're the aristocrats, they live

01:31:21.829 --> 01:31:24.670
in a very dirty world. That's, like, very close

01:31:24.670 --> 01:31:27.529
to the dirtiness of reality. Like, they get to

01:31:27.529 --> 01:31:29.310
go inside and live in their nice house, sit in

01:31:29.310 --> 01:31:30.970
their nice furniture, drink their milk out of

01:31:30.970 --> 01:31:33.289
nice saucers or whatever, but the ugliness of

01:31:33.289 --> 01:31:35.550
what provides that is right there. And that,

01:31:35.590 --> 01:31:38.590
like, can be humanizing for maybe the older pejones

01:31:38.590 --> 01:31:41.369
who are, like, actually built this thing or understand

01:31:41.369 --> 01:31:43.170
it or whatever, like, have relationships with

01:31:43.170 --> 01:31:45.170
these workers, but then it just gets passed down

01:31:45.170 --> 01:31:46.729
to people who have, like, no understanding. They

01:31:46.729 --> 01:31:48.289
just have the privilege. They were born and raised

01:31:48.289 --> 01:31:50.770
on the privilege, and they actually can't push

01:31:50.770 --> 01:31:53.829
this thing forward. They can only exploit it.

01:31:53.930 --> 01:31:56.609
We didn't even talk. Was it passed down? Like,

01:31:56.630 --> 01:31:59.069
why did they have to rewrite that will to give

01:31:59.069 --> 01:32:01.489
it to Alfredo's father? He just never wrote it.

01:32:01.569 --> 01:32:03.449
He just never wrote it. Yeah. That's just crazy.

01:32:03.449 --> 01:32:05.550
He never wrote it. Well, you think that maybe

01:32:05.550 --> 01:32:07.869
he like didn't leave it to him or something like,

01:32:07.869 --> 01:32:09.529
you know what I mean? I don't know. That is an

01:32:09.529 --> 01:32:11.609
interesting scene where they have to pretend

01:32:11.609 --> 01:32:13.770
that he's still alive and that he's reading out

01:32:13.770 --> 01:32:16.149
the will. Right. Like, why didn't he have the

01:32:16.149 --> 01:32:19.779
will written out? Who was he planning to give

01:32:19.779 --> 01:32:22.300
it to? And I guess the law wasn't such that it

01:32:22.300 --> 01:32:24.319
would be automatically given to his next of kin.

01:32:25.119 --> 01:32:28.279
Was the problem that he is the father of Olmo

01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:33.699
and that he came first and so he was the owner

01:32:33.699 --> 01:32:35.560
of the land and it was for Olmo or something?

01:32:35.680 --> 01:32:37.979
You know what I mean? I don't know. Yeah, I don't

01:32:37.979 --> 01:32:40.760
think it's something like that. Who knows? I

01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:43.460
mean, clearly he's fucking girls on the ranch.

01:32:43.579 --> 01:32:45.579
Like maybe that is something he does. He's like,

01:32:45.619 --> 01:32:47.579
I can't get it up anymore. I can't do what I

01:32:47.579 --> 01:32:50.760
used to do. Like, you know, they're dancing around

01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:54.140
out there doing their fertility ritual and they're

01:32:54.140 --> 01:32:56.800
all going to be fucking like rabbits later. There's

01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:58.539
no way he hasn't taken advantage of this thing

01:32:58.539 --> 01:33:00.619
many times before or whatever. And it's like,

01:33:00.659 --> 01:33:04.380
maybe he did fuck Olmo's mom and whatever. Like,

01:33:04.420 --> 01:33:06.579
I don't know. Who knows, man? It's possible.

01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:10.100
Sure. Sure. But yeah, I mean, if he was, if he

01:33:10.100 --> 01:33:12.960
was a bastard of the Pajone, then. But I mean,

01:33:12.979 --> 01:33:16.560
also in The Last Emperor, like his birth is weird

01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:19.279
too, because you see him just be handed to this

01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:21.859
woman and she's like, you're her mother now.

01:33:21.939 --> 01:33:24.239
And then his real mother disappears and like

01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:27.039
isn't in the Forbidden City until you hear that

01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:29.920
she died because she ate a ball of opium. Well,

01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:32.220
he gets reintroduced to her before that, but

01:33:32.220 --> 01:33:35.329
there's no like. There's nothing that happens.

01:33:35.750 --> 01:33:38.270
That's true, he does. And his wet nurse slash

01:33:38.270 --> 01:33:41.449
his songbird or whatever he calls her. No, no,

01:33:41.449 --> 01:33:44.470
no. His butterfly. His butterfly. She gets taken

01:33:44.470 --> 01:33:46.550
away from him. That's one of the best lines.

01:33:46.850 --> 01:33:52.430
She's not my wet nurse. She's my butterfly. That's

01:33:52.430 --> 01:33:54.350
such a Bertolucci, dude. It's like, let's just

01:33:54.350 --> 01:33:56.989
get a child to suck on tits and then talk about

01:33:56.989 --> 01:33:59.750
who he's in love with. This beautiful woman.

01:33:59.810 --> 01:34:01.649
Like, it's very weird. Yeah, who's older than

01:34:01.649 --> 01:34:04.489
him. And, like, perverted. And in a PG -13 movie

01:34:04.489 --> 01:34:07.329
that has tits and child penis. That was all very

01:34:07.329 --> 01:34:09.689
La Luna as well, for sure. But she's not his

01:34:09.689 --> 01:34:12.310
literal mom. Though, I don't know. Yeah. It's,

01:34:12.329 --> 01:34:13.529
like, uncomfortable stuff to deal with. Also,

01:34:13.550 --> 01:34:16.229
apparently there's a lot of speculation that

01:34:16.229 --> 01:34:20.729
Puyi, in reality, was actually gay. Oh. Oh, yeah.

01:34:20.770 --> 01:34:24.550
Or at least that sexuality with women was not

01:34:24.550 --> 01:34:30.100
one of... the wives or whatever said that he

01:34:30.100 --> 01:34:34.520
only had sex twice in his adult life or something

01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:37.659
like i don't know there's like speculation on

01:34:37.659 --> 01:34:40.300
his sexuality and whatnot and i think it's interesting

01:34:40.300 --> 01:34:43.890
the way that the movie just like has him I don't

01:34:43.890 --> 01:34:45.869
know. He has that like anonymous sex with the

01:34:45.869 --> 01:34:48.210
two girls at the same time where he says that

01:34:48.210 --> 01:34:51.369
the eunuchs taught him this game. Yeah. Yeah.

01:34:51.409 --> 01:34:53.850
The eunuchs taught me this game. I try to figure

01:34:53.850 --> 01:34:56.770
out who's who. It feels very like Brave New World

01:34:56.770 --> 01:35:00.310
where like sexuality is something that you get

01:35:00.310 --> 01:35:03.640
out as a child. Yeah. And it's like. They have

01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:06.199
kids' orgies and stuff in the Brave New World

01:35:06.199 --> 01:35:07.840
and blah, blah, blah, so that adults are like,

01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:09.939
oh, that's just kids' shit. Like, we're beyond

01:35:09.939 --> 01:35:12.779
the sexuality aspect of life because... Yeah,

01:35:12.859 --> 01:35:14.979
exactly. That makes sense. Because they were

01:35:14.979 --> 01:35:17.239
molested in the way that the state wanted them

01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:19.819
to be molested to make them conditioned. Yeah,

01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:23.279
it's bizarre. But his sexuality remains like

01:35:23.279 --> 01:35:26.279
a sort of bizarre subject that I think is probably

01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:29.500
what attracted Bertolucci to the movie is like

01:35:29.500 --> 01:35:33.609
thinking about his childhood. and all this sexuality

01:35:33.609 --> 01:35:36.489
stuff and the two wives and the whatever. That's

01:35:36.489 --> 01:35:38.710
true. It's like, what even defines his sexuality?

01:35:39.310 --> 01:35:41.510
And like, yeah, he's very weird. He's like, he

01:35:41.510 --> 01:35:44.609
almost seems like he's an asexual or something.

01:35:44.989 --> 01:35:46.670
He doesn't feel like a very, he doesn't feel

01:35:46.670 --> 01:35:48.210
like a sexual being. I do love when he's, you

01:35:48.210 --> 01:35:50.470
know, like 13 years old and he's got the 17 year

01:35:50.470 --> 01:35:53.470
old, uh, older girl just kissing on him. And

01:35:53.470 --> 01:35:55.149
he's like, Oh yeah, actually this works. I mean,

01:35:55.170 --> 01:35:57.869
I'm into this. Well, yeah, but that's also, I

01:35:57.869 --> 01:35:59.649
don't like this wife. She sucks. And then it's

01:35:59.649 --> 01:36:02.180
like, Oh wait, A 17 -year -old girl can impress

01:36:02.180 --> 01:36:03.340
a 13 -year -old boy very easily. That's also

01:36:03.340 --> 01:36:05.579
part of an arranged marriage, though. They're

01:36:05.579 --> 01:36:08.220
showing him these cards. Yeah, yeah, I love it.

01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:09.819
Like, there's this girl, and there's this girl,

01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:12.739
and she's 12, and she's 15, and whatever. I think

01:36:12.739 --> 01:36:16.039
the girl he gets is the oldest one, like 17 or

01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:18.739
something. Right, but then he also gets a 12

01:36:18.739 --> 01:36:20.869
-year -old. Then he also gets a 12 year old as

01:36:20.869 --> 01:36:23.649
his like concubine. Yeah. He has both of them.

01:36:23.710 --> 01:36:26.229
Cause he's 14 or something. And I think that

01:36:26.229 --> 01:36:28.630
Bertolucci on the commentary says that he like

01:36:28.630 --> 01:36:31.369
exaggerated those age gaps or something. I don't

01:36:31.369 --> 01:36:34.310
know exactly. Oh really? Like maybe the first

01:36:34.310 --> 01:36:36.789
time they had sex, he was older or something

01:36:36.789 --> 01:36:38.829
like that. Like I don't exactly remember the

01:36:38.829 --> 01:36:41.409
thing, but there's some slight exaggeration of

01:36:41.409 --> 01:36:45.189
that age gap situation too. Yeah. For basically

01:36:45.189 --> 01:36:49.210
kink effect. Like I think a lot of it, um, when

01:36:49.210 --> 01:36:51.369
it comes to Bertolucci is it'll be more sensual

01:36:51.369 --> 01:36:54.550
and weird if it what if she is a lot older and

01:36:54.550 --> 01:36:56.850
he just like doesn't really know and all he's

01:36:56.850 --> 01:37:02.010
done is been with a bunch of eunuchs so oh what

01:37:02.010 --> 01:37:03.529
would that be like of course that would be so

01:37:03.529 --> 01:37:06.250
interesting to Bertolucci yeah exactly exactly

01:37:06.250 --> 01:37:12.039
it's just two boys Just a hole -in -the -pocket

01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:14.739
communist. It's a PG -13 movie, and it's very,

01:37:14.779 --> 01:37:17.699
like, horny for a PG -13 movie. I mean, actually,

01:37:17.859 --> 01:37:19.640
you know, I wouldn't even say it's, like, the

01:37:19.640 --> 01:37:21.880
characters are not really, but the movie is.

01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:26.939
You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. I guess

01:37:26.939 --> 01:37:28.420
just as, like, we haven't talked about the visuals

01:37:28.420 --> 01:37:30.439
much at all. Like, I guess I said, like, Brutalooch

01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:32.659
is very colorful, very romantic, very painterly.

01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:34.859
But the scene where they're having sex under

01:37:34.859 --> 01:37:39.130
the silk blanket is pretty awesome. I don't know.

01:37:39.210 --> 01:37:42.170
There's so many visual moments in this movie

01:37:42.170 --> 01:37:45.250
that are very, very beautiful, almost more so

01:37:45.250 --> 01:37:47.869
than 1900. I like when she covers him with the

01:37:47.869 --> 01:37:50.250
kisses, though, with all the lipstick marks and

01:37:50.250 --> 01:37:51.289
stuff. That's very weird and sensual. That's

01:37:51.289 --> 01:37:52.850
when he's first introduced to her, I'm pretty

01:37:52.850 --> 01:37:55.010
sure. And that's what I was going to say. She's

01:37:55.010 --> 01:37:57.029
like, well, look at my face, see what you think.

01:37:57.170 --> 01:37:59.630
And he really approves of her face, I guess.

01:37:59.970 --> 01:38:02.090
She takes it off, and he's like, oh, yeah, I

01:38:02.090 --> 01:38:05.689
can do this. This is fine. But I thought that

01:38:05.689 --> 01:38:09.000
this one has a funny face. I don't know if that

01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:11.380
was her. He's looking at the pictures? Yeah,

01:38:11.399 --> 01:38:12.479
I think that's when he's looking at the pictures.

01:38:13.460 --> 01:38:15.659
Talking about the modernism, though, another

01:38:15.659 --> 01:38:17.880
detail I really liked in this movie is how they're

01:38:17.880 --> 01:38:20.279
really disapproving of him getting spectacles.

01:38:20.979 --> 01:38:22.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, I like that

01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:24.920
moment. And that's also a Western thing, because

01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:27.380
Peter O'Toole's advocating for him to get spectacles.

01:38:28.060 --> 01:38:29.720
Pretends that he's going to go blind if he doesn't

01:38:29.720 --> 01:38:33.619
get them. Yeah, he's going to go blind. And they're

01:38:33.619 --> 01:38:35.659
just like, dude, I don't care. He's like, you

01:38:35.659 --> 01:38:37.560
don't care if he goes blind because you don't

01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:39.680
want him to see. It's like a crazy double meaning,

01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:41.500
I guess. But you don't want him to know that

01:38:41.500 --> 01:38:44.399
you're stealing shit. And then that is when the

01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:47.199
store catches fire and all that stuff. Yeah,

01:38:47.199 --> 01:38:49.600
which is we had to hide this shit that they've

01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:52.619
been stealing. But I mean, he's also, like I

01:38:52.619 --> 01:38:54.439
was saying, he's not even entitled to any of

01:38:54.439 --> 01:38:57.380
this. It's so bizarre that he's just a kid that

01:38:57.380 --> 01:39:01.199
was put in a place that is being looted and he's

01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.630
supposedly... The king? Because it's not like

01:39:04.630 --> 01:39:07.189
the queen was his mom or anything, you know?

01:39:08.210 --> 01:39:11.149
There's some connection to the royal blood or

01:39:11.149 --> 01:39:13.329
whatever enough that this member of this family

01:39:13.329 --> 01:39:15.909
was chosen or whatever. But like, I don't know.

01:39:16.310 --> 01:39:20.090
It is really weird. It is suspect. I don't really

01:39:20.090 --> 01:39:25.380
get that either. Who was his mom? Well, the woman,

01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:28.600
the previous empress that apparently killed the

01:39:28.600 --> 01:39:32.199
previous emperor because he was trying to do

01:39:32.199 --> 01:39:35.319
reforms, which is what, what's his name? Peter

01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:38.119
O'Toole says. Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, that's true.

01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:44.420
But then she probably chose Puyi in order to

01:39:44.420 --> 01:39:47.319
like have a child there so that there wouldn't

01:39:47.319 --> 01:39:50.420
be reform. Like so that the person that followed

01:39:50.420 --> 01:39:53.960
her. wouldn't immediately reform things yeah

01:39:53.960 --> 01:39:56.399
change things that she like yeah basically they

01:39:56.399 --> 01:39:58.039
just yeah it was a puppet they put him there

01:39:58.039 --> 01:39:59.979
because they knew it would be easy to control

01:39:59.979 --> 01:40:03.039
yeah just be a puppet if you have a yeah king

01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:06.300
or emperor who doesn't have any vision or any

01:40:06.300 --> 01:40:08.840
like doesn't even understand what they're in

01:40:08.840 --> 01:40:11.600
charge of yeah exactly except for the values

01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:14.079
that you give him and the things and the few

01:40:14.079 --> 01:40:17.250
things that he has which is like He's heterosexual

01:40:17.250 --> 01:40:20.329
or homosexual, and he can, you know, appease

01:40:20.329 --> 01:40:23.310
that. And he's a sadist, so he can torture his

01:40:23.310 --> 01:40:26.909
eunuchs. And, like, he's hungry, like, so he

01:40:26.909 --> 01:40:29.609
can appreciate luxuries like food and, you know,

01:40:29.649 --> 01:40:33.270
whatever. But other than, like, base things,

01:40:33.430 --> 01:40:36.329
his values and, like, who he even considers his

01:40:36.329 --> 01:40:38.770
country or his people, like, those are kind of

01:40:38.770 --> 01:40:41.609
up for debate. I don't know. It's weird to me

01:40:41.609 --> 01:40:44.470
that he feels connected to this dynasty at all

01:40:44.470 --> 01:40:47.979
as somebody who's not. There's no blood to the

01:40:47.979 --> 01:40:49.960
person that appointed him. So he actually is

01:40:49.960 --> 01:40:52.300
like a representation of just the death of that

01:40:52.300 --> 01:40:54.159
whole entire thing because he's not even really

01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:57.109
that thing. It's just like a farce. Right. And

01:40:57.109 --> 01:41:00.189
he's just a creation of the people who already

01:41:00.189 --> 01:41:02.350
took over that. And they, and they, and they

01:41:02.350 --> 01:41:04.109
all know it's a forest, like the people who are

01:41:04.109 --> 01:41:06.270
looting and all the units and they control it.

01:41:06.289 --> 01:41:09.149
And he has no actual agency and can't really

01:41:09.149 --> 01:41:11.930
make any decisions and can't go outside. Right.

01:41:12.010 --> 01:41:14.010
There's that flashback moment too, where he like,

01:41:14.130 --> 01:41:17.149
when he's older and he says like, open the gates

01:41:17.149 --> 01:41:20.390
when he's like chasing after his wife who gets

01:41:20.390 --> 01:41:24.439
taken. Right. Yeah, man. I mean, it's such a

01:41:24.439 --> 01:41:26.319
tragic story, and he's, like, a really tragic

01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:28.520
character, but he also, like, is never allowed

01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:30.880
to grow a personality or identity you can actually,

01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:33.300
like, understand in a way or, like, identify

01:41:33.300 --> 01:41:35.359
with. Like, it's so weird. Like, he's such a,

01:41:35.380 --> 01:41:39.100
like, weird alien for most of the movie. Yeah.

01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:42.819
You know, a man is whatever room he is in or

01:41:42.819 --> 01:41:45.779
whatever. It's the external locus of identity,

01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:48.340
Eastern thing. And even though Peter O'Toole

01:41:48.340 --> 01:41:51.170
is, like... Not the individual. peter o'toole's

01:41:51.170 --> 01:41:53.189
heart's in the right place but like he's also

01:41:53.189 --> 01:41:55.409
just a dude who's like projecting his own kind

01:41:55.409 --> 01:41:57.909
of ideologies and plans for this case like he's

01:41:57.909 --> 01:41:59.609
the loneliest boy in the world he's the only

01:41:59.609 --> 01:42:02.069
one who can't go outside and it's like i'm trying

01:42:02.069 --> 01:42:04.010
to be reasonable here and it's like well we don't

01:42:04.010 --> 01:42:06.670
really care dude because we're making money and

01:42:06.670 --> 01:42:09.130
we got all the food we need and like we're just

01:42:09.130 --> 01:42:11.890
trying to keep this thing together you think

01:42:11.890 --> 01:42:15.109
that's what like all the people um on zora ranch

01:42:15.109 --> 01:42:17.449
are doing right now who are still like maintaining

01:42:17.449 --> 01:42:20.829
the epstein estate even though he's gone What,

01:42:20.829 --> 01:42:22.789
up the street from you? Yeah, up the street from

01:42:22.789 --> 01:42:25.489
me. What are they doing up there? You've been

01:42:25.489 --> 01:42:27.710
going by Zorro Ranch? I mean, people have been

01:42:27.710 --> 01:42:29.069
investigating it and stuff. You've been paying

01:42:29.069 --> 01:42:30.649
a visit? No, I haven't made a visit. But they

01:42:30.649 --> 01:42:32.529
were doing construction there and stuff. Things

01:42:32.529 --> 01:42:36.189
have been going on there post -death. I have

01:42:36.189 --> 01:42:38.250
no idea, man. But it's very bizarre that there

01:42:38.250 --> 01:42:43.470
are certain people who die and their thing doesn't

01:42:43.470 --> 01:42:47.020
really die with them. It has to be managed. And,

01:42:47.020 --> 01:42:49.039
like, I don't know. You don't need, like, a puppet

01:42:49.039 --> 01:42:52.479
Epstein or whatever, but, like, it kind of feels

01:42:52.479 --> 01:42:55.340
like, you know, an empire is dying. It almost

01:42:55.340 --> 01:42:57.640
doesn't matter who's in control of it. Like,

01:42:57.640 --> 01:43:00.439
it's being looted. Like, the ship is going down.

01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:04.199
Yeah, I don't know, man. It's a republic with

01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:07.319
a president. Also, is that just, like, an interim

01:43:07.319 --> 01:43:09.579
period? So, like, the empire falls and it becomes

01:43:09.579 --> 01:43:11.699
a republic with a president, but then it becomes...

01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:14.560
A communist state? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. There's

01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:17.640
like several... Lots of turmoil. I'm not super

01:43:17.640 --> 01:43:20.140
versed or whatever, but there's several years

01:43:20.140 --> 01:43:23.539
of changing power between lots of different guys

01:43:23.539 --> 01:43:26.079
and blah, blah, blah. But the communist state

01:43:26.079 --> 01:43:28.199
is post -World War II, which makes sense, right?

01:43:28.399 --> 01:43:31.819
Because the Japanese have a momentary expansion

01:43:31.819 --> 01:43:36.500
of their empire into Manchuria and all that shit,

01:43:36.579 --> 01:43:38.979
but they lose the war. That's the other thing,

01:43:39.020 --> 01:43:41.220
too, is that the one -armed guy... You know,

01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:43.760
the Japanese, like, I can't remember if he's,

01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:45.739
like, the president or, like, just the guy who's,

01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:48.680
like, the spokesman, but he, like, ends up killing

01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:52.840
himself upon hearing the news of the... Yeah.

01:43:53.180 --> 01:43:55.600
And I guess he's the guy that his girl is working

01:43:55.600 --> 01:43:59.939
with, doing the double agent. Yep. His handler.

01:44:00.020 --> 01:44:03.579
His handler. Damned if you do and damned if you

01:44:03.579 --> 01:44:07.949
don't. But yeah, it's a good movie. I definitely

01:44:07.949 --> 01:44:09.489
thought it was a little bit more like, I thought

01:44:09.489 --> 01:44:14.430
1900 was so much fun to watch. Last Emperor has

01:44:14.430 --> 01:44:17.050
a bit more of a, like, I don't know, it has a

01:44:17.050 --> 01:44:18.989
bit more of like a third act slog or something

01:44:18.989 --> 01:44:20.729
where things get a little bit miserable and you're

01:44:20.729 --> 01:44:24.250
just kind of like, man. Yeah. I mean, when he's

01:44:24.250 --> 01:44:26.630
dealing with the Japanese and his wife's just

01:44:26.630 --> 01:44:29.010
eating flowers. Yeah, she's crying and eating

01:44:29.010 --> 01:44:30.649
flowers. And then gets knocked off by her driver

01:44:30.649 --> 01:44:32.869
and then gets forced to board. And he's like,

01:44:32.930 --> 01:44:34.550
you're an empress. Don't you know what that means?

01:44:34.670 --> 01:44:36.989
It's like, what the fuck? What the fuck are you

01:44:36.989 --> 01:44:39.630
doing, you idiot? I'm an empress. You're an emperor.

01:44:39.890 --> 01:44:42.189
Are you fucking retarded? Like, when are you

01:44:42.189 --> 01:44:44.489
going to fucking? But also, that's literally

01:44:44.489 --> 01:44:47.170
all he's ever been. Exactly, dude. He's not been

01:44:47.170 --> 01:44:49.130
outside. Like, he's the only person that you

01:44:49.130 --> 01:44:51.539
could kind of understand is like. Oh, wait, he's

01:44:51.539 --> 01:44:54.199
not doing this for clout. He's doing this because

01:44:54.199 --> 01:44:57.140
that's what being a person is. Exactly. You know

01:44:57.140 --> 01:44:59.359
what I mean? Exactly. He's like, this is what

01:44:59.359 --> 01:45:01.279
I'm supposed to do. To me, like, that honestly,

01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:04.899
like, that has so much to do with America. You

01:45:04.899 --> 01:45:08.279
know what I mean? It's only because of his bizarre

01:45:08.279 --> 01:45:12.119
privilege that you could justify, like, the insanity

01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:16.430
of the way that he's behaving. it makes no actual

01:45:16.430 --> 01:45:20.210
sense logically or any, like you're clearly being

01:45:20.210 --> 01:45:23.029
put up as a puppet by people who are like going

01:45:23.029 --> 01:45:27.649
to literally use your people as like meat. Like,

01:45:27.710 --> 01:45:30.050
you know what I mean? It's like the least honorable

01:45:30.050 --> 01:45:33.470
possible. It's, it's a Havara agreement or something.

01:45:33.909 --> 01:45:38.869
And it's indefensible. It's just indefensible.

01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:42.060
And he should be able to see that, but it's just

01:45:42.060 --> 01:45:44.680
the fact that he's been brought up in a way where

01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:47.840
the whole purpose is to not let him see that,

01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:50.880
that he can continue to make this mistake. Yeah,

01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:53.020
and that does feel like very end of empire shit.

01:45:53.060 --> 01:45:55.399
It's almost weird that you almost could have

01:45:55.399 --> 01:45:57.920
predicted it when it comes to America in the

01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:00.800
90s. You almost could have predicted that this

01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:03.340
was like a dying gasp. Things weren't actually

01:46:03.340 --> 01:46:07.039
getting better. This is just like the last gasp

01:46:07.039 --> 01:46:09.970
of an empire. And after this, it's just kind

01:46:09.970 --> 01:46:13.529
of like decline, you know, because basically

01:46:13.529 --> 01:46:16.810
the Pandora's box is open that allows this thing

01:46:16.810 --> 01:46:20.069
just be looted by oligarchs without accountability.

01:46:20.869 --> 01:46:22.569
And it's just going to drive it into the fucking

01:46:22.569 --> 01:46:23.850
ground. And it's like, yeah, I don't know how

01:46:23.850 --> 01:46:25.850
it survives that. It does move on. It changes.

01:46:26.189 --> 01:46:28.090
But America is going to continue to be around

01:46:28.090 --> 01:46:30.529
or whatever. Just like England's still around

01:46:30.529 --> 01:46:32.409
and Russia's still around. I don't know, man.

01:46:32.489 --> 01:46:36.750
That revolution may be coming. The question is

01:46:36.750 --> 01:46:40.189
just if it lasts. But America, we haven't had

01:46:40.189 --> 01:46:42.810
that. We had the American Revolution, sure. I'm

01:46:42.810 --> 01:46:45.930
saying, man, we have something coming, and this

01:46:45.930 --> 01:46:48.270
might be the beginning of it, the end of this

01:46:48.270 --> 01:46:51.909
empire and a new way for our country. But I think

01:46:51.909 --> 01:46:53.350
something will change. We'll become a different

01:46:53.350 --> 01:46:56.149
country. Maybe we do become a more socialist

01:46:56.149 --> 01:46:58.270
country or whatever. I have no idea. But the

01:46:58.270 --> 01:47:01.050
point is it will change. It's kind of just part

01:47:01.050 --> 01:47:04.279
of history. It's just what needs to happen. It's

01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:06.100
part of this kind of progression of events that

01:47:06.100 --> 01:47:08.439
we see mirrored throughout history and in these

01:47:08.439 --> 01:47:11.279
movies and whatever. Just like what happens when

01:47:11.279 --> 01:47:14.659
things become so out of balance and things become

01:47:14.659 --> 01:47:18.420
so exploitative. Something's got to give eventually.

01:47:18.640 --> 01:47:21.079
So there could be a lot of pain. There could

01:47:21.079 --> 01:47:23.300
be a lot of destruction. And there already is.

01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:26.979
We are also fortunate that even if we see global

01:47:26.979 --> 01:47:29.680
decline, the damage that's been done already

01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:33.550
has led to. Gas prices over $4 that we're probably

01:47:33.550 --> 01:47:36.909
going to see for a year. But we still like only

01:47:36.909 --> 01:47:39.350
get that kind of, you know, like there's going

01:47:39.350 --> 01:47:42.090
to be like mass famine in Africa and like there's

01:47:42.090 --> 01:47:44.109
going to be tons of death in the year to come

01:47:44.109 --> 01:47:47.449
because of the war and the supply chains that

01:47:47.449 --> 01:47:49.470
have dried up and the energy crisis that's happening

01:47:49.470 --> 01:47:51.810
in so many countries now. Sure, but that's just

01:47:51.810 --> 01:47:54.449
like the machine guns that we'll overhear while

01:47:54.449 --> 01:47:56.550
we're playing tennis. Exactly, exactly. And so

01:47:56.550 --> 01:47:59.569
we still, we are still this emperor. We are still

01:47:59.569 --> 01:48:01.920
this child emperor. And I think that's the thing.

01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:04.079
We're more somewhere in the middle of the story.

01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:06.880
We're not the baby anymore. you know, we've realized

01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:09.020
the lie. And I think we're in that stage in the

01:48:09.020 --> 01:48:11.300
middle of his journey where we're trying to make

01:48:11.300 --> 01:48:14.500
demands and we're trying to ask for reform. We're

01:48:14.500 --> 01:48:18.119
just torturing. We're just like torturing. Eunuchs.

01:48:18.579 --> 01:48:21.640
Yeah. Our eunuchs and our wives. Yeah. We'll

01:48:21.640 --> 01:48:23.539
just torture them for a while. Because I think

01:48:23.539 --> 01:48:25.479
most Americans are still hoping out for the big

01:48:25.479 --> 01:48:28.600
win. Most Americas will sell out to like get

01:48:28.600 --> 01:48:31.180
the empire back and to get riches back. And like

01:48:31.180 --> 01:48:33.180
most America doesn't care about destroying some

01:48:33.180 --> 01:48:35.550
third world country. If it means there, bank

01:48:35.550 --> 01:48:37.529
account's going to be bigger and their 401ks

01:48:37.529 --> 01:48:40.689
are going to grow or whatever it is, man. Manchuria

01:48:40.689 --> 01:48:42.829
is not a third world country. I'm sorry. Manchuria

01:48:42.829 --> 01:48:47.590
is part of China. I'm sorry. We're giving Texas

01:48:47.590 --> 01:48:51.770
to China. I'm talking about China in the context

01:48:51.770 --> 01:48:54.109
of this movie, but yes, China now is not a third

01:48:54.109 --> 01:48:55.920
world country. I'm sorry, I'm talking about more

01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:58.979
like we are willing to maybe destroy Iran if

01:48:58.979 --> 01:49:01.260
that will lead to – not even that. That's not

01:49:01.260 --> 01:49:02.800
even a third world country anymore. But like

01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:05.479
that's the thing. It's like if somehow things

01:49:05.479 --> 01:49:07.979
got better because we were destroying other countries,

01:49:08.039 --> 01:49:09.500
people in this country wouldn't give a shit.

01:49:10.310 --> 01:49:13.149
It's only because the people who produce things

01:49:13.149 --> 01:49:14.949
in this country don't see anything coming back

01:49:14.949 --> 01:49:17.970
to them and instead spent on pointless fucking

01:49:17.970 --> 01:49:21.869
bullshit that doesn't affect anyone's fucking

01:49:21.869 --> 01:49:24.510
lives here. It just gets to a point where it's

01:49:24.510 --> 01:49:26.869
like the oligarchy class is out of control. You

01:49:26.869 --> 01:49:28.850
guys don't think about us at all. Trump even

01:49:28.850 --> 01:49:30.750
actually literally said that the other week where

01:49:30.750 --> 01:49:33.869
it's like, do the American people even come into

01:49:33.869 --> 01:49:35.489
your consideration when you're making these decisions?

01:49:35.489 --> 01:49:36.810
He's like, no, I don't think about them at all.

01:49:38.989 --> 01:49:45.529
Okay, Don Draper. He was trying to say that nothing

01:49:45.529 --> 01:49:48.630
is more important than the nuclear weapon that

01:49:48.630 --> 01:49:51.750
I imagined. Yeah, but that's stupid bullshit.

01:49:51.930 --> 01:49:56.470
That's not a real thing. It's fighting the boogeyman.

01:49:58.710 --> 01:50:01.390
But anyway, I don't know, man. Both very, very

01:50:01.390 --> 01:50:04.109
fucking interesting movies. Both very enjoyable

01:50:04.109 --> 01:50:05.930
to watch. I don't know if you have anything more.

01:50:06.810 --> 01:50:09.510
No, I just, I really, the reason I really wanted

01:50:09.510 --> 01:50:11.569
a pair of these was both of their sort of visions

01:50:11.569 --> 01:50:18.449
of this sort of after the wave, you know what

01:50:18.449 --> 01:50:21.869
I mean? Where you've got, yeah, the sort of little

01:50:21.869 --> 01:50:23.930
communist revolution at the end of 1900, and

01:50:23.930 --> 01:50:26.869
you've got their big communist revolution at

01:50:26.869 --> 01:50:30.010
the end of The Last Emperor. Which are happening

01:50:30.010 --> 01:50:32.529
around the same time, chronologically. I feel

01:50:32.529 --> 01:50:36.359
like that's happening, like, to us soon. No,

01:50:36.359 --> 01:50:38.159
I think you're right, man. I think you're right.

01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:39.619
I don't know if it's going to be a communist

01:50:39.619 --> 01:50:43.460
one necessarily or whatever, but like these things

01:50:43.460 --> 01:50:46.140
of like, oh, wait, this thing that's been playing

01:50:46.140 --> 01:50:49.079
out, like it's all going to be judged. Yeah,

01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:51.859
exactly. And not by, you know, the Lord and Savior

01:50:51.859 --> 01:50:55.199
on the day of judgment, but like maybe by your

01:50:55.199 --> 01:50:59.479
peers. I mean, there's something coming. Yeah.

01:50:59.579 --> 01:51:02.699
Maybe it is just an ideal that we're hoping that

01:51:02.699 --> 01:51:05.119
that'll happen. Just like we're hoping that the

01:51:05.119 --> 01:51:07.180
day of judgment will happen and that God is real.

01:51:07.260 --> 01:51:09.460
I think it'll be the same as it ever was, where

01:51:09.460 --> 01:51:11.439
there's going to be an awakening and there will

01:51:11.439 --> 01:51:16.880
be turmoil, and it will lead to maybe a peace

01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:19.319
for a little while, but the pejorne is still

01:51:19.319 --> 01:51:22.859
alive, man. The pejorne lives. The pejorne lives.

01:51:22.859 --> 01:51:30.619
The pejorne always lives. Well. I don't know.

01:51:30.659 --> 01:51:32.260
I'd say that's that mattress, man. That's that.

01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:35.500
That's that. Thank you.