Can you say, Hopper's addendum? Hopper's addendum.
That was good. I liked it. See, I believe that
all the mysteries of the universe, all the answers
to life's questions can be found in a Spielberg film. I
was afraid for all my life. Why doesn't somebody
just shoot me in the head? Right up until the day
I knew my life was ending. You look bad. No man.
You smell bad. I'm pretty fucking far from OK. Really I feel
I'm sharing a very- Look at my shit. I had an affair- precious moment with you.
There are no nations. There are no peoples.
Are you threatening me, dick? You don't approve.
Fake. Well, too bad. Totally fake. Did it seem
fake? You look like a damn crackhead. When my
best friend was bitten in half in front of me. I found this
cover story personally embarrassing myself. Plenty of sausage and pepperonis. Everything
but the little fishies. All right, here we are.
This is the addendum for Hoppers. I hope you
enjoyed The Fall of Pixar. It is March 19th,
2026. So almost half a year since we had the
conversation about everything up until Elio.
And, yeah, a lot has changed. The world's been
really crazy. And you can even say, like, a lot.
The first and foremost most important thing that's
changed is we've got a new Pixar movie. Yeah,
we've got a new Pixar movie. And we're going
to get another one in the summer. Like we said
before, they released two movies a year. You
know, if you're not quick, there's going to be
another one out soon enough. Actually, the other
thing I was going to say is that just yesterday,
Disney crowned their new CEO, Bob Iger, stepped
down. So that's the end of an era. You know,
we didn't really talk too much about the overhead
Disney structure, but Bob Iger's reign really
is like... the reign that oversaw the acquisition
of everything that Disney now owns, right? I
think he became CEO in 2005 or something like
that. So one of his first things was absorbing
Pixar. And then, as we know, they eventually
absorbed 20th Century Fox and they absorbed Marvel
and Lucasfilm and Discovery. I don't know, whatever.
Now you got all this branded content under the
Disney umbrella. On their streaming channel,
it just kind of feels like the reign of Bob Iger
sucked compared to the reign of Michael Eisner
before him, who oversaw the Disney renaissance,
like all those great movies from the late 80s
and 90s that we love. A real changing of priority.
So yeah, we didn't really talk about how when
John Lasseter stepped down as the CCO of Pixar
in 2018, he was actually replaced by... a woman
as well, Jennifer Lee, she oversaw Walt Disney
Animation Studios when Frozen and Frozen 2 came
out. And she wrote and directed on both of those
movies. She was the first female director to
ever do a Walt Disney Animation Studios film.
And that happened like one year after the first
female director to do a Pixar with Brave, right?
So these things all align. And what else is interesting
is that Ed Catmull stepped down as president
of Walt Disney Animation Studios in 2019, one
year after she took over. The chief creative
officer of Walt Disney Animation Studios now
is Jared Bush, who was responsible in part for
Zootopia and Encanto. Right. And now Iger's being
replaced with basically the guy who is the head
of the theme park division. Like the guy who
was overseeing the also very successful expansion
of Walt Disney Parks to a global thing. There's
one in Japan now and stuff like that. So it's
clear what the incentive is. There are definitely
creative elements to the parks, don't get me
wrong. But it kind of seems like people like
John Lasseter are being edged out of the company
and people who make the company a lot of money.
in, like, you know, the theme park sector are
the ones who get to, like, control the vision
of the company going forward, you know? Right,
right, right. But that's the era to come, and
we'll see what happens. Right now we're witnessing
the dying days of the Eiger reign and the kind
of weird transitional period that happened at
Pixar and Walt Disney Animation Studios. So it's
been weird recently. Because, like, we said before
that Elio feels like a movie that was, like,
stripped of all of its woke energy or something
like that and um it feels very very aligned with
a lot of the concessions that walt disney was
making to trump after the election i mean bob
eiger was also in charge this whole time and
disney paid trump like a settlement for a lawsuit
he levied against them and then yeah there was
just a lot of controversies surrounding eiger
when like the writer strike was happening over
ai and him just being like These fucking writers
are just a bunch of unrealistic snowflakes because
they don't realize how bad the business is right
now and how hard it is to keep this all afloat,
which is true to one degree, but Iger also gets
a $27 million salary or something or whatever.
Right. But anyway, that's what Disney is. That's
what Pixar is now. That's the environment just
so devoid of creativity. really any care about
what they're doing to the culture. And it all
feels like boardroom decisions and a lot of hands
reaching into the pot, changing things, giving
notes. No cohesive vision created by a single
person or a brain trust. And we start to see
a lot of these movies that feel very morally
confused and unclear and searching but haven't
figured it out or like it was sabotaged. by people
that didn't want it to be clear. And I think
this all leads into Hoppers. For me, I kind of
felt like after getting out of Hoppers, I watched
like a weird nonlinear warfare psyop or something.
You know, like I just feel so conspiracy brained
and it feels really, really aligned with just
the media culture right now and just the brain
rot. And I kind of thought it was a good movie.
I sort of enjoyed it. I think it is one of the
better Pixar movies in a while. I don't really
know what that's saying. I mean, I can totally
agree with you there. I think I really enjoyed
this movie. I thought it was very funny. I thought
it was talking about a lot of stuff. And I think
it said a lot about a lot of stuff. But I also
do, man, I went and I saw it three times because
I was trying to figure out what this movie was
talking about. You know what I mean? Because
it has a lot of elements there. But I don't think
you're wrong that it does kind of feel like a
nonlinear warfare psyop of some kind where I
can't really figure out who is supposed to be,
I mean, like Israel, you know what I mean, in
this movie and whatnot. It's a whole movie about
occupations and, you know, people undermining
and straw men and things. Like, I don't know.
There's a lot of this weird, yeah, conspiracy
-minded stuff. But I couldn't quite figure out
what it was trying to say or if it was trying
to say something, if it ended up saying it in
the end or if, you know, it ended up like Ilio
being sort of castrated. If it is castrated,
it was castrated in a way that made it far more
interesting. Helio feels like empty and generic
and there's literally nothing there. This is
like a beautiful eunuch who can sing soprano.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was castrated
in the right way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this
movie actually does feel like a collection of
tropes too and a bunch of things that we've seen
before. I mean, it like, obviously at some point
in the writer's room, somebody was like, this
is Avatar. And they're like, okay, well, we'll
just have to say that in the movie. The original
idea was referred to as Penguin Avatar. penguin
avatar movie this was supposed to be about penguins
and it was penguin avatar that was that was the
base that's how they sold the idea so it wasn't
somebody in the writer's room being like this
is derivative it was like no they wanted to just
do penguin avatar and then it turned into beaver
avatar but they knew they were doing avatar that's
so disappointing that pretty much like gives
more evidence to your theory That they literally
were just kind of like, let's do that thing and
let's do this thing. Because that's what you
were saying about Lightyear and Elio. It's like
they know exactly what they're stealing from
and they're just doing that on purpose. Oh, totally.
I mean, there's face -off, right? Yeah, face
-off, man. Take their face off. Yeah, you take
their face off. Put this into this. You put this
into this. You put this into this. Yeah. Guys,
this is like Avatar. This is nothing like Avatar.
That's the thing. It feels like a Marvel thing.
I liked those moments a lot. I laughed out loud.
It does. It feels like a Marvel movie. It feels
really self -aware in a way that a lot of the
other ones don't. I can agree with that. Maybe
with the exception of seeing Red or turning Red.
I didn't like nearly as much, but like I understand
like that there is like a similar modernity and
self -awareness sort of, you know, ironic millennial
remove thing happening. Well, I mean, I thought
we determined that Turning Red was not self -aware,
that it speaks to the millennial condition, but
not in a self -critical. way you know like it's
embracing i just mean like the aware that you're
watching a movie thing like it's like this is
the part in the movie where this thing happens
and this is the part in the movie where like
it's it's playing with tropes in an ironic sort
of distanced way almost okay no that's like yeah
i know it's not self -aware with its morality
that it's essentially you know the morals of
jillane maxwell but i i do think it's It's kind
of ironically distance. I mean, I think in Hoppers,
the thing is, when I was watching it, unlike
Toy Story 4, where all these weird decisions
feel creepy and not thought through, everything
weird about Hoppers feels like they are aware
of what they're doing. They're aware of what
they're doing when she kills the butterfly. That
was a crazy fucking moment. That actually really
got me. I was like, I did not. Squished, yeah,
exactly. Although, does she say, I'm sorry I
killed your mom, though? Or does she say, I'm
sorry I squished your mom? Yes, she does. That's
the time that they don't say squished. I'm sorry
I killed your mom. Yeah, but let's not use euphemisms.
Let's call it what it really is, which I really
liked. Because I fucking hate this unalive bullshit.
People saying I unalived him. He got unalived.
Like, are you serious? Like, are you actually
serious? And I think it's amazing that they got
that through in a Disney movie because I've been
noticing in a lot of Disney movies recently how,
like, that note came through the fucking chain
at some point. Do not say killed. Do not say
death, die, murder. Do not say suicide. Whatever,
you know? Well, apparently... Apparently, in
the writing of the script, they had different
things. And sometimes they said killed, and sometimes
they said squished. And then they just decided,
no, no, let's just use squished for everything.
Once they establish it's squished, yeah. Yeah,
we just established squished means kill, and
then we just used squished. But they chose to
back off in the moment, or not back off, but
bear down or whatever, go hardcore in the I'm
sorry I killed your mom moment, which is a crazy
moment. Yeah, what I really like about that is
that I think a lot of this movie is about what
you're saying, that the city is kind of like,
fuck it, let's say it's Israel. The city is this
expanding colonization effort. Which city? The
human city or the beaver city? Because both of
them can easily be representative of Israel or
like, and I think that the beaver city is more,
you can make that more representative of the
Arab world with its many kings and monarchies
and sort of thing. But it's also like this small.
place of refugees that have all had to come here
to create this place that is like a high trust
society where everybody knows each other's names.
And like, I don't know, there's, there's, um,
that could be Japan. It's hard to be mad when
you're a part of the team. So it's all kind of
like this, this nationalism, fascist sort of
thing. Which I think applies to Israel pretty
well. But I guess you could apply it to any other.
I don't know. And it's communist because we're
all in this together. You know what I mean? And
you could look at the dam as a kibbutz. Well,
let me state one case before getting into the
muckiness of why you can't make any singular
case. Right, right, right. Like, if the city,
like, feels like Israel in the way that, like,
in the way it's depicted, where the highway goes
to nowhere, it just goes back on itself, and
it's, like, all self -serving. And it's not about
being connected to anything. It's about being
its kind of own little oasis in this wilderness,
in a way. That's, like, the vibe it has. And
the wilderness is, like, you know, they're basically
indifferent to it. And destroying this habitat
is basically, like, Not actually a big deal to
anyone in the city. Everyone's on board with
the mayor. Everyone thinks he's great. So if
he's Benjamin Netanyahu and he's bombing the
Palestinians after October 7th, most of Israel's
behind him. Right, but he also doesn't have to
bomb the Palestinians. He can just sort of make
their place uninhabitable through some other
means so that there's no cameras there. There's
something interesting about... the 4G towers
that they're putting in, which I think is a strange
part of the... Which is one of the reasons I
went back to this movie a couple of times, because
I was trying to figure out what the 4G towers
part of the movie was actually about when it
came to Israel and Palestine and the other elements
that this is kind of talking about, the CIA,
South America. It's psi warfare. It's like a
psi weapon. I mean, like, they've been using
those kind of sonic weapons in, like, crowd dispersal
and stuff like that recently. Right. So it's
just, like, a futuristic weapon that's, like,
the animals can't even, like, comprehend. You
know, it just, like, it just makes it uncomfortable
for them to even be in the environment they have
to leave. Right. And that way he doesn't need
to massacre a bunch of them when he builds over
their habitat, which is basically the expansion
of the West Bank. Which is also just like the
deportation before the actual concentration camps.
You know what I mean? It's getting rid of the
people instead of having to kill all of them.
You know what I mean? It's like, well, you push
them all, push them all, push them all until
they all end up in... you know, one spot and
it's like, oh, well, I guess we got to kill that
one spot. But, and that's the thing that's missing.
We're like, that's the thing that's missing where
the mayor isn't waging this kind of like propaganda
campaign about like the evil animals who are
going to destroy them or anything like that.
Like they're just completely indifferent to them.
Right. Right. And actually the only person who
cares is this girl. But let's not get into her
yet. The thing is like, I think what is interesting
is that because they destroy this habitat, there
is a refugee crisis that, like, makes the rest
of the animal kingdom more unstable, right? Because
now all these animals that are supposed to have
their own habitats now are living on top of each
other in England or in, like, the United States.
Right, they have to share their kingdoms. Yeah,
they have to share their kingdoms. And they're,
like, trying to do this, like, the king's trying
to do this, like, Ken Kesey, like, everybody
do their own thing kind of vibe. But it's like,
dude, bears got to eat. And that is one of the
weird elements of this movie is this is an anthropomorphic
animal movie where they acknowledge animals eat
each other. And the character actually getting
introduced to the world at first is her stopping
the bear from eating that beaver and the beaver
being mad at her about it too. And like, it's
just like you broke a contract. And so it's,
oh, wow. So the animal world in this movie is
actually like based on rules and laws that they
have like agreed on as a society to like live
together in harmony, but accept the like brutality
that is needed. No, no, no. But the rules, the
rules, the pond rules are introduced by the beaver
in order to control this refugee crisis. That's
the thing. The pond rules don't exist just in
nature, nature. I don't think. I've watched this
a couple of times and tried to figure this out.
This doesn't really make sense. But the pond
rules, I think, are introduced as a way to control
this overpopulation problem, the fact that all
these animals are living on top of each other.
Yeah, but she states the obvious, which is that
the pond rules don't make any sense and they
contradict each other. It's an acknowledgment
that the pond rules are basically just the old
rules, which is that there aren't rules because
you can't have rules that contradict each other.
You can't give rights to the bears and the thing
that the bears eat. You can't say we're all in
this together while also saying, but yeah, we
can eat you. And that is like making a statement
that there are just like animal, like that certain
humans, if this is all humans and different like
nationalities and people live in different biomes
and have different needs or whatever. The idea
that like there are bears and there are mice,
like the idea that there are people who are going
to get swallowed up and there are people who
are going to eat and whatever, you know, there
is like a hierarchy and there's a pecking order.
And it's like, kind of acknowledging that reality
order in this movie i think is violence it is
and essentially that's the only pecking order
um is violence and it faces that violence and
has the main character violently kill a character
yeah and like apologize for it and whatnot but
then also in the end we kill that character that
she apologizes to and we all laugh and Like,
you know what I mean? It's like very morally
on the side of violence in a way that I've never
seen in a kids movie before. We were talking
about in A Bug's Life, there's a lot of violence,
but like, it's not, this is like the Saving Private
Ryan thing where it's like, this is like a specific,
like the moral of the movie is violence and the
rule of, violence to like, and there is sacrifice
and there's things and whatever, but like, I
don't really agree, man. A lot of this movie
is focused on teaching that. I don't really agree.
I think, I think the moral of the movie is that
violence just leads to escalation, which leads
to more destruction. And like, ultimately people
have to work together to solve their differences.
I think that's the ultimate moral. The violence
is actually, the people wouldn't have stopped
building that bridge unless there was a revolution.
The violence is necessitated by the building
of the bridge. If it wasn't the violence, then
the humans would continue on unfettered. It's
because they attacked the mayor. And yeah, they
can't kill the mayor in this movie, obviously,
because it's a kid's movie and whatnot. But it's
because the mayor is being attacked and it causes
all of this destruction. It causes these fires
and these things, whatever. And then the mayor's
like, okay, you saved me. Like you had compassion
for me in the moment when you could have actually
destroyed the city. Instead, you let us keep
the city. So we'll let you keep the wood. Like
there's a, there's a like, they come to a peace
after a war. I got you. I got you. So I'm going
to agree with you that, yeah. So at first it's
more of like, it's more of like what they're
doing in one battle after another. They're like
subverting the empire by breaking some shit.
Which is like, you know, freeing prisoners. In
this case, it's destroying the speakers so that
they can rehabitate. I don't know. So they can
come back to the... Move back in. So they can
move back in. And then that escalates because
the humans retaliate and put even more of those
things up. Because they're already infringed
on the borders and... Yeah, yeah, yeah. They
blow up the dam and whatever. And they think
that they're entitled to this settlement by birthright.
Yeah, so it is after that war, you know, the
animals come after all the humans, and then the
final thing with, like, the show and whatever,
and the little Heimlich, evil Heimlich, that
possesses the mayor, or it's the robot mayor
body or whatever, and it's like, that's a...
Just real quick, when he's being reborn... And
they're in the hospital, and you see him being
reborn, all the animals surrounding him, and
he's coming out of the thing. I don't know what
movie that's referencing. What movie is that
referencing? Because it's something satanic,
obviously. Yeah, yeah. I'm not as much of a horror
movie guy. I don't know the things. It reminds
me of Rosemary's Baby, but I'm sure that's like,
I don't know. There's really creepy vibes in
this movie, man. There's really creepy vibes
in this movie. I think before we get to all that,
let's just talk about Mabel because we haven't
yet. I think what's interesting about her is
she incites the violence and then regrets it,
right? Is that she, through her activism, she
like creates the escalation because she tries
to like identify with the animals by wearing,
by being an infiltrator and wearing their skin
and pretending she's one of them like a fucking,
like an ally. However, her actions are not wrong.
Her actions are not wrong. Because, Because if
it wasn't for her, the humans would just keep
taking over. That's true. It's not a thing that's
balanced so that we actually can learn the lesson
here. She's like, yeah, she's kind of making
a mistake and whatever, but also her mistake,
which leads to this violence, which leads to
this war and blah, blah, blah, is the only way
that you could actually... save the thing that
is just being killed by these people like you
know what i mean so it is kind of like a thing
of like even these indefensible things like are
necessary sure sure you know what i mean but
i do think she's a traitor to her kind in some
ways like in this movie of course she's a traitor
to her kind yeah she's a traitor to humankind
in the war of humans versus animals in this movie
at least The thing that she is trying to save,
she's literally the only one who cares about,
and she's the only one who cares about it because
of personal reasons. She's not an activist who's
going out there fighting all these big causes.
She's fighting for this really personal thing,
just saving this one tiny thing in the corner
of my world. In her backyard. In her backyard.
And that's kind of cool in a way because it's
actually more conservative in a way. She wants
to conserve this thing that's been there her
whole life. That reminds her of her grandma.
It's traditional. But she embodies this sort
of non -binary stereotype or some shit. I don't
think she was non -binary. Was she? I mean, no.
She's a girl in the movie or whatever. I'm just
saying she's androgynous. She's tomboyish. I
don't know how you define these things anymore
in the cultural context. But she's not played
as that. I think that's just part of the thing.
This is a movie where they... you know, created
a main character and they decided to make her
a girl because they need to have more girl main
characters and things and whatever. Like it is,
it is a part of the like post, you know, notes
day paradigm. If you see the crowd of the kids
in the class, there's like a kid in a wheelchair.
There's like every single, like, you know what
I mean? Every, this class is the most diverse
possible representational thing. And yeah, she's
a girl, even though like. She might as well be
a boy. Like it doesn't matter, but I'm okay with
that. Like I just, you know, and the only white
man is the mayor who's kind of the villain. And
I think that's another thing, but like the movie
in the end also doesn't want you to feel like
he's the villain, you know, like he's kind of
like just caught up in this too. I mean, like
I said, that whole entire city is in love with
him. He's very popular. And like, he's creating
this thing for their infrastructure that they're
all going to really enjoy. And there's one person
who's upset about this, like, glade. But, like,
that's a thing. That's all just in their world.
Like, that's not considering the things that
you are harming, which is this ecosystem and
these animals. And eventually that will come
back to bite you if you mess with it enough.
Right. And it's like it's her personal lashing
out that allows the saving of that whole ecosystem
that also is connected to the human ecosystem
and blah, blah, blah, and saves the world. But
it is. It is like she's lashing out. Yeah. For
personal reasons. And she's annoying and whatever.
I mean, I didn't find her annoying, but I mean,
she's supposed to be annoying. I mean, I thought
it was a well -run. I thought like her dynamic
with the mayor was funny. Like, I don't know.
Like it's a pretty small movie and doesn't really
get to like mucky with his characters or like
relationships and plot lines. Like it all makes,
it's all really smooth as far as like a movie
with a plot and like the motivations and stuff.
I think where it gets really, really, mucky is
all this stuff that feels creepy that's in it
and all these like dark themes and stuff that
like and all these things that feel the darkest
of any pixar so far like it might be the darkest
of any pixar it's weird dude i mean maybe maybe
like wally and some of the like up like these
are sadder movies and whatnot but this is a movie
that's talking about like you know sometimes
it's good to hate sometimes it's good to kill
like you know what i mean it's like it's a really
like and to me it feels like it's like we were
talking about the transition during toy story
3 saying like this isn't for millennials anymore
this is for gen z you know what i mean like uh
what's the what's the what's the generation after
gen z gen alpha alpha so maybe this is the one
for alpha where it's like yo you guys Your parents
and your parents' parents, they were all a bunch
of pussies. You need to be able to go out there
and kill and eat the flesh of your enemies and
hate them with your whole soul. Let it flow through
you. And, like, that's the only, like, you know
what I mean? It really feels like it's saying
something very different than the types of things
that they would say to millennials. And also
very different from the, like, just girl power
sort of political screeds of the Gen Z period.
This Gen Alpha thing is scary. Yeah, dude. Sometimes
I think, like, my son is destined to – it's hard
to know how to put this, but, like, sometimes
I feel, looking at him now, that, like, he is
not made for this world, that he's made for a
different world in the future that hasn't come
yet. It's, like, really hard to explain because
I just don't think this world is going to be
here anymore. You're just Sarah Connering it.
I got you. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, man, I agree,
but that's why I also think this feels like a
predictive programming Psyhub thing. Like, I
think there's something – Really dark and weird
about how it feels like it's psychologically
manipulating you in some way. It's like, yo,
when China comes in here on the ground, you guys
need to be able to kill them without remorse.
It's like, what's the... Red Dawn, you know what
I mean? It felt like Red Dawn a little bit. I
still think it's a little unclear how much this
particular war in the movie... affects anybody
outside of the mabel and the mayor and the animals
like i know there's that crowd of people there
at the end but like did it get telegraphed to
them that they were like about to have their
heads blown up and that they were i i thought
i thought it did yeah because there's there's
the one there's a really funny like cut to the
guy in the crowd who's like i don't think that's
the mayor no i know you're right he kind of does
telegraph it to them You're right. And after
that point, it's like, okay, well they know that
they're like, and then it creates an explosion.
Like they make sure that it's not just like a
spark that causes the fire. It's like the robot
literally just blows up and creates an explosion,
which is like that aesthetic is interesting and
then creates this big fire. But then, you know,
the big fire, it's like, I guess the war created
the fire, but also like, I just think what's
weird about it is that like, The animals don't
recognize the enemy without Mabel's help. And
then she directs their anger at the mayor, not
even humanity as a whole. She just says like,
you have to get Jerry, you know? And that's like,
they don't like swarm the whole city or something.
Like they just specifically go after Jerry, which
leads to one of the most absurd visual gags in
the entire fucking thing. Or maybe in all of
Pixar, which is the fucking shark. I loved it.
You hated it? No, no, no. I'm saying it's absurd.
I'm saying it's one of the most absurd fucking
things I've ever seen. Like it's just. Yeah,
no, I, when they, when, but it starts with the,
the birds all diving under the water and stuff
with this like, you know, drum roll. It was like,
it was such a, it was very cinematic. It was
very fun. It was also surprising. It was really
like, that was, that was creative and surprising
and weird. Apex Predator. Yeah. Yeah. And that
was a moment that felt very Pixar. In a movie
that like really often did not feel Pixar, like
that I felt like was a Pixar moment, you know?
Definitely. No, I agree, man. Like, um, and it's,
and it's, what's weird is that this is made by,
um, people who are like relatively unexpected.
Like, I mean the director, Daniel Chong, that's
his name, right? Yeah. So he, he apparently did
storyboards or something. I think he was a storyboard
artist on, um, inside out, but also he had his
own cartoon network show. Yeah. We bear bears.
We bear bears, which I've watched a couple of
episodes of, and I don't really understand. what
makes this show unique or anything like, you
know what I mean? It's, it kind of feels like,
but he also wrote this with one of the writers
of Luca. Yeah. So, but those are the, like, that's
the only, the only real connection these creatives
have to earlier Pixar projects are like, yes,
Dan was trying to do storyboards and this guy
did some writing work on Luca and whatever. And,
and, but it did kind of seem to me like a project
that was hiring out again. Like as opposed to
just, you know, promoting somebody internal or
just finding some girl and asking, do you want
to be a director? And then giving it to her instead,
like they found a guy who had his own TV show
and then a spinoff TV show and then a movie based
on that TV show. Like, and he kind of was a creative,
you know, lead of this thing that is, there's
an auteur. behind it like or at least there's
a singular vision behind it you know what i mean
in a like no man this one's this one is like
like i think there are messy elements to it but
i think uh overall it's a really clean tight
movie like uh it's a very clear vision to it
it's really thematically consistent it's tonally
consistent yeah i would say yeah totally consistent
definitely Um, I don't know that it has any moral
consistency, but it also embraces a lack of moral
consistency. No, it embraces, it embraces ambiguity,
which is pretty great. Yeah. Cause I, cause I
do think like in some ways it has its cake and
eats it too. Like a lot of kids movies that try
to tackle big, tough ideas. Um, like when I just,
what was it that I just watched that was like
the Bill Murray one. osmosis jones osmosis jones
because that i mean that it also reminded me
of osmosis jones another very violent kids movie
with actual killing in it um yeah i i that was
talking more about the body and the immune system
and cancer i don't really know that osmosis jones
is supposed to be a kids movie but what i mean
it was a pg -13 i mean it's like it's pretty
adult and it's themed it looks like it's pg osmosis
jones is a pg movie i just looked it up But it
doesn't matter. It's dark. But I'm probably thinking
of an earlier Pixar movie that we talked about.
But this really should have been PG -13. No?
If they said killing instead of squishing the
whole time, it would have been PG -13, right?
I don't know. Then they could have said fuck
twice. I just don't know where the line is on
that now. That's what I was going to say about
this unalived thing in Disney movies. I don't
know how prevalent it is. Wait, do they say it
in Disney movies? I thought this was just an
internet, like, avoiding the algorithm thing.
No, no, I don't mean it. And then, like, now
Gen Z kids say it. No, I don't mean them saying
literally unalive, but finding a different word
for kill. I just watched Tron Ares, and that's
a movie where, like, people get killed, but they
just say deleted, you know? Right. Like, in Tron
Ares, like, just like in the other ones, the
humans can go into the digital world, so. There's
a thing where, like, she gets sucked into the
digital world and then, like, the bad guy tries
to, like, kill her in the digital world so that
she'll die in the real world. And, you know,
it's just basic fucking Matrix conversation again.
Right. Just like, if I get deleted here, do I
get deleted out there? You know what I mean?
Right. It's just like, dude, like, no one would
say that. Yeah. But that's why I think this movie
gets some credit for saying, I'm sorry, I killed
your mom. No, I know, but it chooses to do away
with the euphemism, to turn the squished into
kill, because I think that's important. I think
her, when she riles up the colony to go squish
Jerry, and then she squishes Butterfly Mom, who
looks basically exactly like the butterfly in
A Bug's Life, I think that's a moment she regrets,
and she watches the acceleration and escalation
of the mistakes she made, and that's... that
sucks. And then in the end, she's just trying
to like do better. Just like in the moment, she's
trying not to like, she's not projecting anymore.
She's not trying to like blame or like, I think
it's just like the letting go of the agenda at
that point. And just trying to like be the best
person you can moment to moment and not like
let anything in the past, you know, like she's
realized, Oh, I don't want to kill Jerry. Like
I wanted a more diplomatic resolution to this,
but that didn't happen. And now this has gotten
completely out of control. And it's like important
that in the end, her and Jerry work together
to make it right. You know, I don't know if that's
super real. Like, I don't know if that's really
what would happen ever. Like, I think that's
a very wishful thinking idea that the, I don't
know, protester and the politician will like
make good after the disaster. But maybe you're
right. Maybe just a disaster needs to happen
for those people to shake hands and be like,
let's try to be better. Yeah, you just need to
hold your enemy's life in your hands. And then
show mercy. And show mercy, yeah. I pardon you.
Yes, yes, exactly. So let's get into the conspiracy
stuff because one thing that I thought was interesting
is not only in this movie, but a bunch of Pixar
movies, especially in the late years, do this
doppelganger thing, do this like... person wearing
a mask thing like kagamusha thing yeah like i
don't know there's something creepy about it
now there's something really weird about the
um the mayor robot not only is that that actually
just an insanely terrifying character and his
movements and the voice and everything like it's
actually jim carrey yeah the jim carrey thing
is what was coming to mind i'm not trying to
say anything man i'm not trying to be like this
definitely they made this before that i made
ilia before that or whatever but like this idea
that like people get replaced or that, like,
people have doubles and stuff like that has been
floating around for a while, you know? Yeah,
it started popping back up, I think, during the
Trump -Hillary election. Yeah, exactly. People
were saying there was Hillary suits and stuff.
Yeah, that Hillary was sick and that she had
been missing for a couple of days and blah, blah,
blah. And then after this one week that she had
been replaced and it was all fake Hillary after
that point or something. Yeah, I remember these
popping back up. It was way back then. And it
has not gone away since then. Now it's just much
more, much more. I mean, we're seeing Epsteins
all over the place now. Yeah, there's fake Epstein.
There's fake Ghislaine. There's fake Jim Carrey.
There's fake. Kanye. Fake Ghislaine is pretty
convincing. Fake Ghislaine is actually pretty
convincing. That doesn't look like her. It's
really weird. She does not look at all the same.
Did someone break her face? Maybe she hasn't
been up keeping her plastic surgery or whatever.
And the Jim Carrey, you know, hey. You know what
could be with Ghislaine Maxwell? She's not eating
the babies anymore. She's not taking the adrenochrome.
Yeah, I mean, that's possible. But all of these
people may just have had their adrenochrome supply
cut off. Yeah, that's possible. You know what
I mean? Like, once Epstein goes down, you've
got to find another guy to blend up your babies.
It's Ozempic at that point. Jim Carrey may not
have found that guy in time, and then his face
started blowing up again. Who knows? Who knows
which of these people are eating babies and which
ones are actually the good guys. I have to say,
though, that the Jim Carrey one really spooked
me, man. yeah it's really spooky um like not
it's not it's not even like just reading headlines
or like conspiracy theory posts it's just like
watching the video of the speech watching every
video of that night because i also i think there's
something uncanny about like plastic surgery
in general now um that like and the other thing
i think is really weird it's like it's like the
fact that ai happened at a certain point. We
can no longer tell whether the videos we see
are real or not. It's like now that plastic surgery
has gotten to a certain point, we don't know
whether or not somebody's wearing a mask. You
know what I mean? Because like now that we've
normalized people walking around looking like
they have masks as faces. I think both of those
things go hand in hand. I think the most like,
I think the most logical explanation for what
happened to Jim Carrey, because something happened
to him. Something changed. If that is Jim Carrey.
That's what's spooky about it. Something happened.
Something changed. But the most logical thing
is that the dude stopped making movies a while
ago. He's in retirement. He has a new lease on
life because he has this new girlfriend. Maybe
he's just happy for once and on some medication
and not in this existential depression and decided
that he wants plastic surgery even though he's
not in movies anymore. that is the one that's
just weird. Like he's rubber face. His face has
always been like, he has a billion dollar face.
That's always been his bread and butter. And
so like, if he's retired, he doesn't need plastic
surgery. He can age naturally. You know what
I mean? Like why does he need plastic? And if
he was still working, why would he need plastic
surgery? All those things are antithetical to
the person we knew him as, that he presented
as, the person who seemed authentically that.
But he also said, I have the Peter Sellers disease,
essentially. I'm not Jim Carrey. I can be anyone.
So who the fuck knows, man? And also, people
who are on medication can talk that way. And
their personalities can be adjusted in a way
that is like that. Maybe his new girlfriend is
his handler, and she just gave him a pill regimen
and convinced him to do all this stuff. It'd
be easier to give somebody a handler than to
kill them and like create a clone of them, whatever.
You know, like there's a lot of easier ways to
control people. Totally. But I just do think
that's been a theme, man. Like even if you're
not literally replaced, like the idea that like
a spirit has possessed you, the idea that that
person is not the person they were anymore, like
they've changed. Right. The idea of creating,
you know, because in Elio, it's like creating
the doppelganger that like makes a sister happier
than the original did because the original is
a real person with like flaws and like all this
like complexity, whereas the clone is just like
this thing that does exactly what she wants and
then she's happy, you know? Right. And that's
the vibe Jim Carrey gave off is someone who was
like trying to make everybody happy. I don't
know. Because basically Jim Carrey had a knack
of giving speeches that were also pretty revealing.
Everyone's diving through all the speeches over
the years and all the cryptic stuff he was saying
in there that felt like dog whistles to signal
to Epstein and all kinds of creepy shit that
was happening in the industry. Right, but that's
also just true of everything that we used to
believe when we were 16 too. If you watched any
conspiracy videos back in 2007, you had the similar
views that like, and you could, yeah, like be
like, yeah, and this, these people are in control
or these people are eating babies. And there's
an international pedophile rings that are, you
know, it's like that turned out to be true. It
doesn't like, it doesn't mean that you knew anything
about that stuff. Like I didn't know any more
than anybody else about any of that stuff. I
just watched conspiracy videos. It's quite possible
that Jim Carrey also didn't know any more than
anybody about any of that stuff. I think there
would be a difference between me getting into
that conspiracy and making a public statement
about how I thought all that stuff was true and
Jim Carrey doing it because he's actually in
the industry and is like a high value asset in
the industry who had to have come into contact
with some of the highest reaches of power. and
like possibly get invited into the back room
at the diddy parties whatever you know it's like
it's these people orbited it whether they liked
it or not and when they saw what was there they
realized that they had to keep it a secret otherwise
it was over for them maybe not just for their
career but maybe for their life you know a lot
of people think justin bieber was whistleblowing
about this in his music videos and stuff because
all that stuff, like all the pizza stuff, you
know, all the pizza iconography. And he was basically
a kid that was sold to fucking P Diddy, like
as a conservatorship or whatever. Like, you know
what I mean? Like this stuff is fucked up, dude.
Like there's human trafficking going on in Hollywood.
There's like children. Epstein was like raising
babies that didn't have birth certificates so
they could eat them and shit. Like, you know
what I mean? Like. The dark is fucked up most
shit imaginable. And the idea that there weren't
people who knew this was going on when it was
happening actively in the 90s, like Jim Carrey,
who I believe is a good person, honestly. I think
he's the kind of person who would be like, well,
this breaks everything. He just feels like the
industry drove him crazy. And then he became
like, I don't know, just feels like something
that... you i mean it's like almost like he was
existing in the fog of war but before any of
us you know like being in hollywood is like what's
real who's a friend what's even like you know
what i mean sure yeah but i do think in the end
all this stuff is like it's become the fog of
war basically like you can't you don't know if
jim carrey is alive or dead You don't know if
Charlie Kirk is alive or dead. You don't know
if Benjamin Netanyahu is alive or dead. You don't
know if he's acting that way because he's a robot
or because he's drugged. You don't know if his
face looks that way because he was convinced
to get plastic surgery or because somebody else
is wearing his face. Yeah, exactly. And it doesn't
matter which one it is because a drugged Jim
Carrey versus a Jim Carrey impersonator is the
same thing. Yeah. And I think that's what I mean.
It's an asset of the government that is in control
of them. And this gets back to the psyop nature
of hoppers where it doesn't answer questions.
It creates more. of a fog of war and then leaves
you with this nice propagandic feeling that like
the sides can come together over a common decency
at some point um but yeah i mean to clean up
the fires that were the war between the two of
them like but it's an uneasy p i mean like this
is it to me the ending of hoppers feels like
the end of akira that we were talking about like
the manga was just kind of like yeah there's
peace for now but like the fucking un is going
to be back like what do you kick them out of
your town but like the un they're they're going
to be back you're going to like and then they're
going to make these things it's going to it's
going to keep going you're like this is a a temporary
uh uh uneasy peace between two people two tribes
that are diametrically opposed Because ultimately
the city will need to expand. Because the rules
are – there are no pond rules because there is
no harmony. It's kind of like they're all washed
over by Machines of Loving Grace sort of underlying
message there that there is no balance of nature,
right? Like nature is not and never has been
something that existed in balance. It's all –
you know, forest fires and glacial, you know,
it's all disasters and tornadoes and constant
change and flux and, you know, species die out
and species invade. And it's not just because
of people that have thrown this off balance.
There is no pond rules. It's just kind of the
violence. And that's the only, and this piece
between humanity and the animals at the end of
this movie, like, That's just another, like,
well, we've got peace. That's another pond rule.
But it's like, yeah, well, until the people want
to eat you, like, or until you want to eat them,
like, or whatever. There is no peace. All there
is is violence. That's the only rule. Yeah, that's
why I really dislike this idea that everything,
like, breaks even, like, everything kind of equals
out. Because, like, well, I mean, things didn't
equal out for the Palestinians, man. I mean,
like, things didn't equal out for the Dodo. Like,
they're never coming back, you know? Right. It's
like if things even out in a universal sense,
I don't give a shit because that doesn't mean
I win. That doesn't give any creature on this
earth the right to existence or to win. I mean,
Mike Huckabee said the quiet part out loud in
his interview with Tucker where he said because
Tucker basically drilled him to the stump defending
his ideology on Israel's right to not exist per
se but have their land. And the right to take
more land is like, he says at some point, like
he's arguing this all the time, that it's like
a biblical right, which is crazy on its face.
Well, I mean, the country Israel, just to name
your own country Israel is a crazy utopian idea.
It's like, oh, yes. We're talking science fiction
then. If you're calling yourself Israel. Then
what are we talking about? You think you're going
to be Israel? You mean from the Bible? Yeah,
everything is comically named and logoed. Apple
is like a bite out of the apple of the Garden
of Eden. Amazon is a smirk and whatever. It's
like if you wanted to create a sci -fi dystopian
novel where like – The Holocaust striped pajamas
on the Disney logo. The blue stripes. They retired
that one. No, but yeah, back to Mike Huckabee.
He was essentially making the argument the whole
time that Israel had this ancient biblical right
or whatever that the land was promised to them,
even though, yeah, it's like, well, we can just
name our country Israel, like you said, and then
we'll have that biblical right. But then at one
point, Tucker pushes him so hard in regards to
another people, like a Palestinian or someone
else, or the Irish or something, or being like,
do they have the right to their land? And then
he says, well, if they can defend it. And he's
like, what do you mean? If they can defend it?
You just said that they have a right to this
land, regardless of whether they can defend it.
So some people have to defend their land, and
some people just have rights to it. You know
what I mean? But I don't know if Mike Huckabee
is wrong. I kind of think the reality is actually
the borders and countries, like all these nation
states, peoples, it literally is about whether
or not you can defend it. That kind of is the
only thing. It's the rule of the – that's pond
rules. Yeah, it's pond rules. Like that's the
last – We're all in this together. Don't worry.
Just like – But like, I'll kill you if you come
over here. So the pond rules are our society
and all the rules and laws that are just like,
don't make any sense are contradictory. Yeah.
And I think that, yeah, this movie is accepting
that kind of concept. I think it's postmodern.
Like, yeah, but I do think there is no good or
bad and there is no morality and there is no
anything really. It's just sort of, they come
up with a word called pond rules, you know? Yeah.
And I do think it is interesting that the city
is not explored very much, but I do think it's
interesting that everything you see from the
city is that, like, this is a unified people.
The city is unified, and they're not infighting,
even though they're all diverse. But the animal
world is all fighting, you know. But they still
have politics. That's the thing. It's like it's
not just pawn rules, man. There is that council.
Like, there is politics. There's, like, a leader
to every kingdom. Pawn rules are the kings. King
George's thing. Yeah, sure. It's not about, it's
not about like the, the, the entire world. It's
like just the pond, like that they've all had
to move to. And he's the king of the mammals,
but he's thinking of the mammals at that pond
because the mammals can't exist anywhere else.
Cause the people have taken everywhere else.
Yeah. I was under the impression that that council
was bigger than that pond. Like that council
doesn't live there at the pond. No, I know. I
know. But I think all the mammals are there.
And, like, the birds get involved and they pull
a shark out of the water, which is, like, the
biggest apex. Like, they make the world feel
really small as if, like, all the kings of the
animal kingdom come into one place of the entire
planet. Like, yeah. That's why, like, the human
king can be a mayor of a town and stuff. I think
we have to assume that this is a smaller kingdom.
But, like, it's not the whole world. I'm pretty
sure George is king of the humans, too. When
it comes to the science fiction elements of this
and the world -building elements, I think it
is a bit thin. Well, I just mean, I think the
fact that the rulers are literally designated
by little crowns and that the beaver is the king
of the mammals, he's the king of that pond and
he's the king of the mammals for some reason.
Right. And it seems like, but it seems like he's
like the weakest rung on the totem pole when
it comes to the council. Like the butterfly is
the one who's speaking the most. That's because
he doesn't believe in violence. Yeah. But, um,
they're not exactly advocating violence either.
The insects are in control of that council. You
know why? Why? They're very brutal. I wanted
to be the first insect politician. It is really
funny that the insects get outed as being, like,
the more nefarious group for some reason. And
we're okay with killing them. I think part of
it's because, like, we are, as humans, okay with
killing them, at least in the Western world that
this movie is coming out in. And so they decided
that was okay in a way that, like, yeah, obviously
if, like, our main character, like, killed a
dog. Or, like, you know, a deer or, you know,
a fish even. Like, we would feel bad. Well, it's
funny about it because Mabel is a human. And
it is, like, she kills her because it's, like,
a reflex. It's not even, like, it's literally,
like, George Clooney shooting Brad Pitt in Burn
After Reading or whatever. Like, it's just kind
of, like, it's just, like, a reflex. And she's,
like, didn't even think twice about it and, like,
only realizes what happens, like, after she did
it and whatever. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. And
she does it out of being scared, essentially.
But it did also, I'll tell you, it also did resonate
to me right now with our war with Iran to kind
of have like this thing of like, oh, shit. So
now the insects are led by a guy whose mom we
just killed in front of him. And then we're like,
oops, sorry, guys. Like, you know what I mean?
Yeah. But honestly, I think like. what you were
saying before that you could just completely
reverse the roles makes a lot of sense too, because
if you think about what, everything that's happened
with Iran right now, like, let's just say the
butterfly queen is Trump. Like, let's say that,
you know, the insects have like dominance and
the larger population, they have control over
more of the ecosystem. So they get to call the
shots and the other ones are kind of like deferring
to her. And then Mabel, is like coming in there
to beg Trump to attack Iran, which is the human
city. Um, that is like, which is, which is encroaching
a little bit on Israel, right? Like, I guess,
but like not, I mean, they're not literally doing
that, but like Israel always greater Israel project.
It's encroaching on, yeah, there's still other
living people in the middle East and that's a
problem for Israel. Right. So, yeah, exactly.
Iran is just the first domino that has to fall.
But yeah, we don't even know if Netanyahu is
alive. And he doesn't have a double going around
with the mask. They just did some AI videos that
Google and Instagram are saying were confirmed
real videos. But that does not seem very legit.
So yeah, all truth and reality is broken down.
And I do think that is all reflected in this
movie. The other thing I thought was really interesting
is I think this is the movie. that like really
tongue in cheek leans into grand Pixar theory
stuff. Like, did you notice the board? Did you
notice the board? Of course. Yeah. Yeah. So this
device explains how you put a human mind into
a car, how you put a human mind into a toy, how
you put a human mind, you know, whatever. Like
it's, and I think it's all just a joke. Like,
I think they're playing with that joke of conspiracy
and connecting all these things and how it's
not, it's meaningless. Like how that's. None
of that is, like, actually there. But, like,
I feel like the majority of videos that are going
to get made about hoppers or Pixar. It's going
to be about, like, how many references there
were. Because there are a lot of other references,
too. There were so many references in this one,
dude. Like, it was insane. And I was like, but
that's also like that's the thing. This is what
this movie is working with. It's working with
the super diverse crowds and the female main
character and the evil white man. And it's doing
all of these like references to other Pixar movies
and stuff. So it's like it's it's all of the
things that are like a problem in the, you know,
Gen Z Pixar era. But I think that he uses all
those to a good. purpose like i i don't i like
the main character i don't care that that crowd
is like ridiculously diverse like it doesn't
that's just like it's fine um i don't care there's
no white men in the movie except for the one
bad guy like i like you know what i mean like
all these things like it's it's fine you have
to do this to make it a pixar movie do that and
like that will make it successful so that hopefully
we can then make it fun too or like you know
what i mean which i think really feels like the
focus of the movie is just like kind of let's
try and make a fun one that doesn't like suck
There's been so much just like boring Pixar garbage.
It's way more than just trying to have fun. I
don't know. But it was fun. I thought it was
a pretty fun movie. Yeah. I don't know. It was
very funny, I think, in a way that I've missed.
I mostly agree. And I guess, yeah, there was
a lot of humor in Turning Red, too, but I just
think it was so overshadowed by its like wall
-to -wall pedophilia. I only saw Turning Red
once, and I forgot most of it after watching
it. That one just didn't really stick with me.
I didn't really have a lot of feelings about
it. Literally, I just kind of felt like, well,
that one was not for me. This one's for little
girls, little Zoomer girls. It's just a different
time. I think everything you said is legit about
it. There's something weird about it. these other
movies just continue to reinforce that view of
that movie because like everything. And honestly,
I feel like hoppers in a way is almost like addressing
this. Like it's almost addressing the weird,
messy, creepy, like psyoppy nature of all the
movies, but like doing it in a way that actually
feels self conscious for once. And like, it's
actually doing that on purpose instead of it
being like, a weird problematic decision that
they didn't think through or whatever. Right.
Like they, they, like they thought through the
decision to have the speakers with the audio
warfare, like the colonization metaphors or like
the idea of killing the matriarch and like the
traumas of war and tit for tat warfare and whatever,
you know what I mean? Like, like it's a clear
that all these things were thought about and
like put in the movie on purpose and then made
like ambiguous and interesting. Cause like we've
originally John Hamm's character was wearing
a star of David the whole time. And they took
that out to me. He is a blue and white. Yeah.
Yeah. Um, but yeah, we've, we've gone over an
hour, man. Like, uh, this was an interesting
Pixar movie. The only other, the only other thing
I wanted to chat about was, uh, before the movie,
I saw the trailer for toy story five. Have you
watched this yet? I did just watch it. Um, any
thoughts? Before we close. I gotta tell you,
I was really disappointed about one thing. They
really sidelined my favorite character. Bo Peep.
How it's very clear that he's just going to be
pulled back into their adventure and she's not
coming with him. I actually was like, wait, was
Bo Peep not even in that trailer at all? She
was in one shot. She's in one shot from behind.
You see over her shoulder in one shot. I love
it, dude. This movie will make me happy. Where
it's like, oh, I guess he's out there with Bo
Peep at the beginning of the movie and he has
to come back. This movie will make me really
happy. I hope he comes back and says, bitch was
crazy, just like we said he would. Because that's
what it fucking looks like, man. It looks like
he's called back in. And it looks like Jesse
has the main character energy now. Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe. It looks like Jesse has the main character
energy and she has to call Woody back. I like
the idea that Jesse runs the room and not Dolly
too, right? It feels like they're going to just
erase Toy Story 4 in a lot of ways. It really
looks like an eraser of Toy Story 4 trailer,
which made me happy. I think the plot that it's
doing is the only plot that it could do at this
point. And it seems to be doing it pretty on
the nose, which could suck or could be good.
I have no idea. But I'll tell you, erasing Toy
Story 4 really gives me some hope. That's all.
It made me feel good that there was no Bo Peep.
Even if Toy Story 5 is good, the trilogy is the
trilogy. Oh, of course. And there can still just
be an entertaining Toy Story movie every once
in a while because they've already broken it.
And so it's like, whatever, man. I'm looking
forward to it, honestly. And I like the idea
of tech being the bad guy at this time. I think
this is just the thing kids need to hear. I think
it's coming too late. I think this idea would
have been actually well -timed if it came out
when Toy Story 4 did. Right. That's when this
needed to happen. But they needed to take a while
for the girls to have their rise and fall. Yeah.
And as long as the ending isn't some kind of
way to... justify tech or they come together
or whatever like i would really like it if uh
woody and buzz just like broke that screen like
burning down silicon valley yeah just like breaking
that screen man you know maybe they will break
the screen that gets replaced that's the other
funny thing it's here is like maybe that happens
in the movie but like tech can be replaced in
a way that those those toys can't maybe buzz
can be replaced but woody can't be replaced as
easily and whatever Unless you go to Japan. I
like that he's bald and wearing a poncho. He
has kind of a Clint Eastwood thing going. Man
with no name. And, yeah, I mean, a few lines
in the trailer. I mean, I liked the Woody line
about, like, you know, toys are for playing,
but tech's for everything. And the thing, like,
I'm glad they're fighting again at the end of
the trailer. It's like, oh, you're going to bring
back some of the Woody -Buzz rivalry kind of
dynamics? Okay. That'll be nostalgic. We'll see.
We'll see. You know, I don't have high hopes,
really, but... I don't really. I do feel like
it seems like a different era. This movie and
that trailer seem to me to be not from the same,
I don't know, coup that took over after they
kicked out Lasseter. It seems to be kind of that
kingdom rose and fell and now we're on. This
movie didn't have to tell us any sort of message
about. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's using
the diverse crowds, it's using the things, but
it doesn't really matter. It's like, okay, well,
that's just the language we use. I don't know.
You know what I mean? It wasn't annoying and
preachy in that way. No, man. But largely because
it was either fascist or confused. Yeah, I mean,
I'm still confused about it, but I think that's
going to make it fun to talk about and more interesting
in the years to come. most of these other ones
that have come out so an elio yeah so it's interesting
it's like you know this we called this elemental
we called this the fall of pixar um but hoppers
like you know maybe maybe god willing it's the
beginning of a better age of pixar although the
slate is looking pretty disappointing right now
because it's basically all sequels except for
got to it may not be a new era we'll see maybe
the final you know death but like i'm still down
for incredibles 3 Oh, yeah, of course. Well,
you know, Brad Bird can do whatever he wants.
Yeah, yeah. I'll go see it. But I don't know,
man. Would you say that's that, Mattress Man?
That's that. Thank you.