WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.139 Can you say, Hopper's addendum? Hopper's addendum. 00:00:05.259 --> 00:00:10.220 That was good. I liked it. See, I believe that 00:00:10.220 --> 00:00:12.480 all the mysteries of the universe, all the answers 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:13.199 to life's questions can be found in a Spielberg film. I 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:15.240 was afraid for all my life. Why doesn't somebody 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.140 just shoot me in the head? Right up until the day 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:19.739 I knew my life was ending. You look bad. No man. 00:00:20.589 --> 00:00:23.449 You smell bad. I'm pretty fucking far from OK. Really I feel 00:00:23.609 --> 00:00:27.250 I'm sharing a very- Look at my shit. I had an affair- precious moment with you. 00:00:27.269 --> 00:00:29.370 There are no nations. There are no peoples. 00:00:29.370 --> 00:00:31.269 Are you threatening me, dick? You don't approve. 00:00:31.570 --> 00:00:34.090 Fake. Well, too bad. Totally fake. Did it seem 00:00:34.090 --> 00:00:35.950 fake? You look like a damn crackhead. When my 00:00:35.950 --> 00:00:37.630 best friend was bitten in half in front of me. I found this 00:00:37.630 --> 00:00:40.869 cover story personally embarrassing myself. Plenty of sausage and pepperonis. Everything 00:00:40.869 --> 00:00:43.189 but the little fishies. All right, here we are. 00:00:44.590 --> 00:00:47.170 This is the addendum for Hoppers. I hope you 00:00:47.170 --> 00:00:50.770 enjoyed The Fall of Pixar. It is March 19th, 00:00:50.770 --> 00:00:54.869 2026. So almost half a year since we had the 00:00:54.869 --> 00:00:57.890 conversation about everything up until Elio. 00:00:58.549 --> 00:01:02.670 And, yeah, a lot has changed. The world's been 00:01:02.670 --> 00:01:05.709 really crazy. And you can even say, like, a lot. 00:01:05.930 --> 00:01:08.049 The first and foremost most important thing that's 00:01:08.049 --> 00:01:11.709 changed is we've got a new Pixar movie. Yeah, 00:01:11.730 --> 00:01:14.609 we've got a new Pixar movie. And we're going 00:01:14.609 --> 00:01:17.420 to get another one in the summer. Like we said 00:01:17.420 --> 00:01:19.560 before, they released two movies a year. You 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.099 know, if you're not quick, there's going to be 00:01:22.099 --> 00:01:25.879 another one out soon enough. Actually, the other 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:28.000 thing I was going to say is that just yesterday, 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:34.560 Disney crowned their new CEO, Bob Iger, stepped 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.519 down. So that's the end of an era. You know, 00:01:38.540 --> 00:01:40.700 we didn't really talk too much about the overhead 00:01:40.700 --> 00:01:44.120 Disney structure, but Bob Iger's reign really 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:48.459 is like... the reign that oversaw the acquisition 00:01:48.459 --> 00:01:52.000 of everything that Disney now owns, right? I 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:56.120 think he became CEO in 2005 or something like 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.739 that. So one of his first things was absorbing 00:01:58.739 --> 00:02:01.879 Pixar. And then, as we know, they eventually 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:05.000 absorbed 20th Century Fox and they absorbed Marvel 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:09.240 and Lucasfilm and Discovery. I don't know, whatever. 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:12.659 Now you got all this branded content under the 00:02:12.659 --> 00:02:14.960 Disney umbrella. On their streaming channel, 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:17.180 it just kind of feels like the reign of Bob Iger 00:02:17.180 --> 00:02:21.000 sucked compared to the reign of Michael Eisner 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:24.280 before him, who oversaw the Disney renaissance, 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:27.500 like all those great movies from the late 80s 00:02:27.500 --> 00:02:31.479 and 90s that we love. A real changing of priority. 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:34.379 So yeah, we didn't really talk about how when 00:02:34.379 --> 00:02:37.620 John Lasseter stepped down as the CCO of Pixar 00:02:37.620 --> 00:02:42.110 in 2018, he was actually replaced by... a woman 00:02:42.110 --> 00:02:46.750 as well, Jennifer Lee, she oversaw Walt Disney 00:02:46.750 --> 00:02:50.330 Animation Studios when Frozen and Frozen 2 came 00:02:50.330 --> 00:02:54.469 out. And she wrote and directed on both of those 00:02:54.469 --> 00:02:57.349 movies. She was the first female director to 00:02:57.349 --> 00:03:00.770 ever do a Walt Disney Animation Studios film. 00:03:01.330 --> 00:03:03.969 And that happened like one year after the first 00:03:03.969 --> 00:03:07.949 female director to do a Pixar with Brave, right? 00:03:08.030 --> 00:03:12.340 So these things all align. And what else is interesting 00:03:12.340 --> 00:03:15.159 is that Ed Catmull stepped down as president 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:18.879 of Walt Disney Animation Studios in 2019, one 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:21.860 year after she took over. The chief creative 00:03:21.860 --> 00:03:24.520 officer of Walt Disney Animation Studios now 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:27.780 is Jared Bush, who was responsible in part for 00:03:27.780 --> 00:03:33.659 Zootopia and Encanto. Right. And now Iger's being 00:03:33.659 --> 00:03:36.340 replaced with basically the guy who is the head 00:03:36.340 --> 00:03:40.240 of the theme park division. Like the guy who 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:44.879 was overseeing the also very successful expansion 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:48.020 of Walt Disney Parks to a global thing. There's 00:03:48.020 --> 00:03:50.759 one in Japan now and stuff like that. So it's 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.599 clear what the incentive is. There are definitely 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.539 creative elements to the parks, don't get me 00:03:55.539 --> 00:04:00.680 wrong. But it kind of seems like people like 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:02.639 John Lasseter are being edged out of the company 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:05.860 and people who make the company a lot of money. 00:04:06.349 --> 00:04:09.289 in, like, you know, the theme park sector are 00:04:09.289 --> 00:04:11.289 the ones who get to, like, control the vision 00:04:11.289 --> 00:04:13.669 of the company going forward, you know? Right, 00:04:13.729 --> 00:04:16.910 right, right. But that's the era to come, and 00:04:16.910 --> 00:04:18.850 we'll see what happens. Right now we're witnessing 00:04:18.850 --> 00:04:23.509 the dying days of the Eiger reign and the kind 00:04:23.509 --> 00:04:26.029 of weird transitional period that happened at 00:04:26.029 --> 00:04:29.589 Pixar and Walt Disney Animation Studios. So it's 00:04:29.589 --> 00:04:31.790 been weird recently. Because, like, we said before 00:04:31.790 --> 00:04:34.610 that Elio feels like a movie that was, like, 00:04:34.970 --> 00:04:37.509 stripped of all of its woke energy or something 00:04:37.509 --> 00:04:41.949 like that and um it feels very very aligned with 00:04:41.949 --> 00:04:43.970 a lot of the concessions that walt disney was 00:04:43.970 --> 00:04:47.709 making to trump after the election i mean bob 00:04:47.709 --> 00:04:50.509 eiger was also in charge this whole time and 00:04:50.509 --> 00:04:53.850 disney paid trump like a settlement for a lawsuit 00:04:53.850 --> 00:04:56.490 he levied against them and then yeah there was 00:04:56.490 --> 00:04:58.990 just a lot of controversies surrounding eiger 00:04:58.990 --> 00:05:01.670 when like the writer strike was happening over 00:05:01.670 --> 00:05:06.000 ai and him just being like These fucking writers 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.639 are just a bunch of unrealistic snowflakes because 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:11.819 they don't realize how bad the business is right 00:05:11.819 --> 00:05:15.819 now and how hard it is to keep this all afloat, 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:19.139 which is true to one degree, but Iger also gets 00:05:19.139 --> 00:05:22.180 a $27 million salary or something or whatever. 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:25.759 Right. But anyway, that's what Disney is. That's 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.040 what Pixar is now. That's the environment just 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:33.089 so devoid of creativity. really any care about 00:05:33.089 --> 00:05:35.430 what they're doing to the culture. And it all 00:05:35.430 --> 00:05:38.769 feels like boardroom decisions and a lot of hands 00:05:38.769 --> 00:05:41.850 reaching into the pot, changing things, giving 00:05:41.850 --> 00:05:45.769 notes. No cohesive vision created by a single 00:05:45.769 --> 00:05:48.629 person or a brain trust. And we start to see 00:05:48.629 --> 00:05:50.389 a lot of these movies that feel very morally 00:05:50.389 --> 00:05:55.290 confused and unclear and searching but haven't 00:05:55.290 --> 00:05:59.790 figured it out or like it was sabotaged. by people 00:05:59.790 --> 00:06:02.949 that didn't want it to be clear. And I think 00:06:02.949 --> 00:06:05.670 this all leads into Hoppers. For me, I kind of 00:06:05.670 --> 00:06:08.110 felt like after getting out of Hoppers, I watched 00:06:08.110 --> 00:06:12.730 like a weird nonlinear warfare psyop or something. 00:06:12.889 --> 00:06:15.670 You know, like I just feel so conspiracy brained 00:06:15.670 --> 00:06:18.170 and it feels really, really aligned with just 00:06:18.170 --> 00:06:20.629 the media culture right now and just the brain 00:06:20.629 --> 00:06:23.129 rot. And I kind of thought it was a good movie. 00:06:23.170 --> 00:06:25.910 I sort of enjoyed it. I think it is one of the 00:06:25.910 --> 00:06:28.060 better Pixar movies in a while. I don't really 00:06:28.060 --> 00:06:30.459 know what that's saying. I mean, I can totally 00:06:30.459 --> 00:06:33.439 agree with you there. I think I really enjoyed 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:37.040 this movie. I thought it was very funny. I thought 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:40.800 it was talking about a lot of stuff. And I think 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:43.819 it said a lot about a lot of stuff. But I also 00:06:43.819 --> 00:06:46.980 do, man, I went and I saw it three times because 00:06:46.980 --> 00:06:50.279 I was trying to figure out what this movie was 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:53.420 talking about. You know what I mean? Because 00:06:53.420 --> 00:06:57.790 it has a lot of elements there. But I don't think 00:06:57.790 --> 00:06:59.350 you're wrong that it does kind of feel like a 00:06:59.350 --> 00:07:03.290 nonlinear warfare psyop of some kind where I 00:07:03.290 --> 00:07:07.629 can't really figure out who is supposed to be, 00:07:07.790 --> 00:07:11.870 I mean, like Israel, you know what I mean, in 00:07:11.870 --> 00:07:13.790 this movie and whatnot. It's a whole movie about 00:07:13.790 --> 00:07:18.850 occupations and, you know, people undermining 00:07:18.850 --> 00:07:22.149 and straw men and things. Like, I don't know. 00:07:22.189 --> 00:07:24.829 There's a lot of this weird, yeah, conspiracy 00:07:24.829 --> 00:07:28.100 -minded stuff. But I couldn't quite figure out 00:07:28.100 --> 00:07:33.319 what it was trying to say or if it was trying 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.920 to say something, if it ended up saying it in 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:40.579 the end or if, you know, it ended up like Ilio 00:07:40.579 --> 00:07:46.459 being sort of castrated. If it is castrated, 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.579 it was castrated in a way that made it far more 00:07:50.579 --> 00:07:53.699 interesting. Helio feels like empty and generic 00:07:53.699 --> 00:07:54.860 and there's literally nothing there. This is 00:07:54.860 --> 00:07:56.839 like a beautiful eunuch who can sing soprano. 00:07:57.540 --> 00:07:59.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was castrated 00:07:59.540 --> 00:08:02.279 in the right way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.500 movie actually does feel like a collection of 00:08:04.500 --> 00:08:06.439 tropes too and a bunch of things that we've seen 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:09.000 before. I mean, it like, obviously at some point 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.339 in the writer's room, somebody was like, this 00:08:11.339 --> 00:08:13.259 is Avatar. And they're like, okay, well, we'll 00:08:13.259 --> 00:08:15.939 just have to say that in the movie. The original 00:08:15.939 --> 00:08:20.920 idea was referred to as Penguin Avatar. penguin 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:23.319 avatar movie this was supposed to be about penguins 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.959 and it was penguin avatar that was that was the 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:29.160 base that's how they sold the idea so it wasn't 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:30.439 somebody in the writer's room being like this 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:32.279 is derivative it was like no they wanted to just 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:34.919 do penguin avatar and then it turned into beaver 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.419 avatar but they knew they were doing avatar that's 00:08:38.419 --> 00:08:41.559 so disappointing that pretty much like gives 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:44.240 more evidence to your theory That they literally 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:46.639 were just kind of like, let's do that thing and 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:47.879 let's do this thing. Because that's what you 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.700 were saying about Lightyear and Elio. It's like 00:08:50.700 --> 00:08:55.559 they know exactly what they're stealing from 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:59.320 and they're just doing that on purpose. Oh, totally. 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.940 I mean, there's face -off, right? Yeah, face 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:07.000 -off, man. Take their face off. Yeah, you take 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:09.659 their face off. Put this into this. You put this 00:09:09.659 --> 00:09:15.889 into this. You put this into this. Yeah. Guys, 00:09:16.009 --> 00:09:18.250 this is like Avatar. This is nothing like Avatar. 00:09:18.870 --> 00:09:21.850 That's the thing. It feels like a Marvel thing. 00:09:21.850 --> 00:09:24.509 I liked those moments a lot. I laughed out loud. 00:09:25.710 --> 00:09:27.529 It does. It feels like a Marvel movie. It feels 00:09:27.529 --> 00:09:29.350 really self -aware in a way that a lot of the 00:09:29.350 --> 00:09:31.669 other ones don't. I can agree with that. Maybe 00:09:31.669 --> 00:09:35.610 with the exception of seeing Red or turning Red. 00:09:36.750 --> 00:09:39.929 I didn't like nearly as much, but like I understand 00:09:39.929 --> 00:09:43.690 like that there is like a similar modernity and 00:09:43.690 --> 00:09:49.529 self -awareness sort of, you know, ironic millennial 00:09:49.529 --> 00:09:52.990 remove thing happening. Well, I mean, I thought 00:09:52.990 --> 00:09:56.210 we determined that Turning Red was not self -aware, 00:09:56.309 --> 00:09:59.690 that it speaks to the millennial condition, but 00:09:59.690 --> 00:10:03.259 not in a self -critical. way you know like it's 00:10:03.259 --> 00:10:06.460 embracing i just mean like the aware that you're 00:10:06.460 --> 00:10:08.779 watching a movie thing like it's like this is 00:10:08.779 --> 00:10:10.279 the part in the movie where this thing happens 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:11.899 and this is the part in the movie where like 00:10:11.899 --> 00:10:15.299 it's it's playing with tropes in an ironic sort 00:10:15.299 --> 00:10:18.899 of distanced way almost okay no that's like yeah 00:10:18.899 --> 00:10:21.179 i know it's not self -aware with its morality 00:10:21.179 --> 00:10:24.700 that it's essentially you know the morals of 00:10:24.700 --> 00:10:28.169 jillane maxwell but i i do think it's It's kind 00:10:28.169 --> 00:10:31.169 of ironically distance. I mean, I think in Hoppers, 00:10:31.169 --> 00:10:34.049 the thing is, when I was watching it, unlike 00:10:34.049 --> 00:10:36.129 Toy Story 4, where all these weird decisions 00:10:36.129 --> 00:10:38.610 feel creepy and not thought through, everything 00:10:38.610 --> 00:10:42.629 weird about Hoppers feels like they are aware 00:10:42.629 --> 00:10:45.830 of what they're doing. They're aware of what 00:10:45.830 --> 00:10:52.110 they're doing when she kills the butterfly. That 00:10:52.110 --> 00:10:55.799 was a crazy fucking moment. That actually really 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.899 got me. I was like, I did not. Squished, yeah, 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:02.480 exactly. Although, does she say, I'm sorry I 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:04.279 killed your mom, though? Or does she say, I'm 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:05.679 sorry I squished your mom? Yes, she does. That's 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:07.899 the time that they don't say squished. I'm sorry 00:11:07.899 --> 00:11:11.259 I killed your mom. Yeah, but let's not use euphemisms. 00:11:11.259 --> 00:11:13.039 Let's call it what it really is, which I really 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:16.419 liked. Because I fucking hate this unalive bullshit. 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:20.100 People saying I unalived him. He got unalived. 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.679 Like, are you serious? Like, are you actually 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:27.179 serious? And I think it's amazing that they got 00:11:27.179 --> 00:11:29.799 that through in a Disney movie because I've been 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:31.820 noticing in a lot of Disney movies recently how, 00:11:32.019 --> 00:11:34.960 like, that note came through the fucking chain 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:38.039 at some point. Do not say killed. Do not say 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.779 death, die, murder. Do not say suicide. Whatever, 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:45.120 you know? Well, apparently... Apparently, in 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:47.379 the writing of the script, they had different 00:11:47.379 --> 00:11:49.919 things. And sometimes they said killed, and sometimes 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:52.740 they said squished. And then they just decided, 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:54.779 no, no, let's just use squished for everything. 00:11:56.059 --> 00:11:59.179 Once they establish it's squished, yeah. Yeah, 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.720 we just established squished means kill, and 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:04.759 then we just used squished. But they chose to 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:07.240 back off in the moment, or not back off, but 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.620 bear down or whatever, go hardcore in the I'm 00:12:10.620 --> 00:12:15.200 sorry I killed your mom moment, which is a crazy 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.559 moment. Yeah, what I really like about that is 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:21.500 that I think a lot of this movie is about what 00:12:21.500 --> 00:12:23.340 you're saying, that the city is kind of like, 00:12:23.419 --> 00:12:26.000 fuck it, let's say it's Israel. The city is this 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:30.440 expanding colonization effort. Which city? The 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:34.220 human city or the beaver city? Because both of 00:12:34.220 --> 00:12:37.240 them can easily be representative of Israel or 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.779 like, and I think that the beaver city is more, 00:12:40.899 --> 00:12:44.080 you can make that more representative of the 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:48.720 Arab world with its many kings and monarchies 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:51.980 and sort of thing. But it's also like this small. 00:12:52.570 --> 00:12:56.269 place of refugees that have all had to come here 00:12:56.269 --> 00:12:58.690 to create this place that is like a high trust 00:12:58.690 --> 00:13:00.590 society where everybody knows each other's names. 00:13:00.730 --> 00:13:03.789 And like, I don't know, there's, there's, um, 00:13:04.090 --> 00:13:07.049 that could be Japan. It's hard to be mad when 00:13:07.049 --> 00:13:09.070 you're a part of the team. So it's all kind of 00:13:09.070 --> 00:13:12.909 like this, this nationalism, fascist sort of 00:13:12.909 --> 00:13:16.120 thing. Which I think applies to Israel pretty 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:17.480 well. But I guess you could apply it to any other. 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.580 I don't know. And it's communist because we're 00:13:20.580 --> 00:13:22.340 all in this together. You know what I mean? And 00:13:22.340 --> 00:13:25.600 you could look at the dam as a kibbutz. Well, 00:13:25.620 --> 00:13:29.820 let me state one case before getting into the 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:32.200 muckiness of why you can't make any singular 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:35.019 case. Right, right, right. Like, if the city, 00:13:35.019 --> 00:13:38.399 like, feels like Israel in the way that, like, 00:13:38.460 --> 00:13:40.279 in the way it's depicted, where the highway goes 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:42.159 to nowhere, it just goes back on itself, and 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:44.500 it's, like, all self -serving. And it's not about 00:13:44.500 --> 00:13:46.519 being connected to anything. It's about being 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:49.960 its kind of own little oasis in this wilderness, 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:53.320 in a way. That's, like, the vibe it has. And 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:57.379 the wilderness is, like, you know, they're basically 00:13:57.379 --> 00:14:00.639 indifferent to it. And destroying this habitat 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:04.179 is basically, like, Not actually a big deal to 00:14:04.179 --> 00:14:06.100 anyone in the city. Everyone's on board with 00:14:06.100 --> 00:14:08.100 the mayor. Everyone thinks he's great. So if 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:12.480 he's Benjamin Netanyahu and he's bombing the 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:16.039 Palestinians after October 7th, most of Israel's 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:19.700 behind him. Right, but he also doesn't have to 00:14:19.700 --> 00:14:22.179 bomb the Palestinians. He can just sort of make 00:14:22.179 --> 00:14:26.059 their place uninhabitable through some other 00:14:26.059 --> 00:14:30.240 means so that there's no cameras there. There's 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.870 something interesting about... the 4G towers 00:14:33.870 --> 00:14:36.570 that they're putting in, which I think is a strange 00:14:36.570 --> 00:14:39.190 part of the... Which is one of the reasons I 00:14:39.190 --> 00:14:40.450 went back to this movie a couple of times, because 00:14:40.450 --> 00:14:42.629 I was trying to figure out what the 4G towers 00:14:42.629 --> 00:14:47.509 part of the movie was actually about when it 00:14:47.509 --> 00:14:50.549 came to Israel and Palestine and the other elements 00:14:50.549 --> 00:14:52.309 that this is kind of talking about, the CIA, 00:14:52.470 --> 00:14:55.269 South America. It's psi warfare. It's like a 00:14:55.269 --> 00:14:57.809 psi weapon. I mean, like, they've been using 00:14:57.809 --> 00:15:00.629 those kind of sonic weapons in, like, crowd dispersal 00:15:00.629 --> 00:15:04.429 and stuff like that recently. Right. So it's 00:15:04.429 --> 00:15:06.590 just, like, a futuristic weapon that's, like, 00:15:06.669 --> 00:15:09.669 the animals can't even, like, comprehend. You 00:15:09.669 --> 00:15:11.309 know, it just, like, it just makes it uncomfortable 00:15:11.309 --> 00:15:13.450 for them to even be in the environment they have 00:15:13.450 --> 00:15:17.009 to leave. Right. And that way he doesn't need 00:15:17.009 --> 00:15:19.090 to massacre a bunch of them when he builds over 00:15:19.090 --> 00:15:21.370 their habitat, which is basically the expansion 00:15:21.370 --> 00:15:24.639 of the West Bank. Which is also just like the 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:30.259 deportation before the actual concentration camps. 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:31.840 You know what I mean? It's getting rid of the 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:33.940 people instead of having to kill all of them. 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:35.539 You know what I mean? It's like, well, you push 00:15:35.539 --> 00:15:37.100 them all, push them all, push them all until 00:15:37.100 --> 00:15:39.799 they all end up in... you know, one spot and 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:41.240 it's like, oh, well, I guess we got to kill that 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.720 one spot. But, and that's the thing that's missing. 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:45.379 We're like, that's the thing that's missing where 00:15:45.379 --> 00:15:47.879 the mayor isn't waging this kind of like propaganda 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:50.779 campaign about like the evil animals who are 00:15:50.779 --> 00:15:52.159 going to destroy them or anything like that. 00:15:52.179 --> 00:15:53.720 Like they're just completely indifferent to them. 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:57.440 Right. Right. And actually the only person who 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:01.159 cares is this girl. But let's not get into her 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.179 yet. The thing is like, I think what is interesting 00:16:04.179 --> 00:16:06.480 is that because they destroy this habitat, there 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:09.039 is a refugee crisis that, like, makes the rest 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:11.980 of the animal kingdom more unstable, right? Because 00:16:11.980 --> 00:16:14.399 now all these animals that are supposed to have 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.320 their own habitats now are living on top of each 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:19.320 other in England or in, like, the United States. 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:21.399 Right, they have to share their kingdoms. Yeah, 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:22.779 they have to share their kingdoms. And they're, 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:25.500 like, trying to do this, like, the king's trying 00:16:25.500 --> 00:16:27.299 to do this, like, Ken Kesey, like, everybody 00:16:27.299 --> 00:16:29.279 do their own thing kind of vibe. But it's like, 00:16:29.299 --> 00:16:32.049 dude, bears got to eat. And that is one of the 00:16:32.049 --> 00:16:34.289 weird elements of this movie is this is an anthropomorphic 00:16:34.289 --> 00:16:37.070 animal movie where they acknowledge animals eat 00:16:37.070 --> 00:16:39.409 each other. And the character actually getting 00:16:39.409 --> 00:16:42.889 introduced to the world at first is her stopping 00:16:42.889 --> 00:16:45.269 the bear from eating that beaver and the beaver 00:16:45.269 --> 00:16:48.450 being mad at her about it too. And like, it's 00:16:48.450 --> 00:16:50.409 just like you broke a contract. And so it's, 00:16:50.409 --> 00:16:52.169 oh, wow. So the animal world in this movie is 00:16:52.169 --> 00:16:54.750 actually like based on rules and laws that they 00:16:54.750 --> 00:16:57.470 have like agreed on as a society to like live 00:16:57.470 --> 00:16:59.610 together in harmony, but accept the like brutality 00:16:59.610 --> 00:17:03.429 that is needed. No, no, no. But the rules, the 00:17:03.429 --> 00:17:07.069 rules, the pond rules are introduced by the beaver 00:17:07.069 --> 00:17:11.349 in order to control this refugee crisis. That's 00:17:11.349 --> 00:17:12.849 the thing. The pond rules don't exist just in 00:17:12.849 --> 00:17:16.289 nature, nature. I don't think. I've watched this 00:17:16.289 --> 00:17:17.910 a couple of times and tried to figure this out. 00:17:17.970 --> 00:17:19.130 This doesn't really make sense. But the pond 00:17:19.130 --> 00:17:22.009 rules, I think, are introduced as a way to control 00:17:22.009 --> 00:17:25.190 this overpopulation problem, the fact that all 00:17:25.190 --> 00:17:27.410 these animals are living on top of each other. 00:17:27.589 --> 00:17:30.109 Yeah, but she states the obvious, which is that 00:17:30.109 --> 00:17:31.589 the pond rules don't make any sense and they 00:17:31.589 --> 00:17:34.069 contradict each other. It's an acknowledgment 00:17:34.069 --> 00:17:36.130 that the pond rules are basically just the old 00:17:36.130 --> 00:17:38.049 rules, which is that there aren't rules because 00:17:38.049 --> 00:17:40.269 you can't have rules that contradict each other. 00:17:40.329 --> 00:17:43.549 You can't give rights to the bears and the thing 00:17:43.549 --> 00:17:46.339 that the bears eat. You can't say we're all in 00:17:46.339 --> 00:17:48.839 this together while also saying, but yeah, we 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:51.200 can eat you. And that is like making a statement 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.980 that there are just like animal, like that certain 00:17:53.980 --> 00:17:56.519 humans, if this is all humans and different like 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:59.400 nationalities and people live in different biomes 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.779 and have different needs or whatever. The idea 00:18:02.779 --> 00:18:05.660 that like there are bears and there are mice, 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:07.240 like the idea that there are people who are going 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.140 to get swallowed up and there are people who 00:18:09.140 --> 00:18:10.799 are going to eat and whatever, you know, there 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:12.640 is like a hierarchy and there's a pecking order. 00:18:12.779 --> 00:18:15.630 And it's like, kind of acknowledging that reality 00:18:15.630 --> 00:18:18.890 order in this movie i think is violence it is 00:18:18.890 --> 00:18:21.430 and essentially that's the only pecking order 00:18:21.430 --> 00:18:25.470 um is violence and it faces that violence and 00:18:25.470 --> 00:18:29.009 has the main character violently kill a character 00:18:29.009 --> 00:18:32.049 yeah and like apologize for it and whatnot but 00:18:32.049 --> 00:18:35.549 then also in the end we kill that character that 00:18:35.549 --> 00:18:38.069 she apologizes to and we all laugh and Like, 00:18:38.089 --> 00:18:41.470 you know what I mean? It's like very morally 00:18:41.470 --> 00:18:47.150 on the side of violence in a way that I've never 00:18:47.150 --> 00:18:53.849 seen in a kids movie before. We were talking 00:18:53.849 --> 00:18:55.450 about in A Bug's Life, there's a lot of violence, 00:18:55.690 --> 00:18:58.869 but like, it's not, this is like the Saving Private 00:18:58.869 --> 00:19:02.349 Ryan thing where it's like, this is like a specific, 00:19:02.430 --> 00:19:06.289 like the moral of the movie is violence and the 00:19:06.289 --> 00:19:10.200 rule of, violence to like, and there is sacrifice 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:11.680 and there's things and whatever, but like, I 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:13.400 don't really agree, man. A lot of this movie 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:14.900 is focused on teaching that. I don't really agree. 00:19:14.980 --> 00:19:19.279 I think, I think the moral of the movie is that 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:22.619 violence just leads to escalation, which leads 00:19:22.619 --> 00:19:26.059 to more destruction. And like, ultimately people 00:19:26.059 --> 00:19:28.779 have to work together to solve their differences. 00:19:28.819 --> 00:19:31.200 I think that's the ultimate moral. The violence 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.200 is actually, the people wouldn't have stopped 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.200 building that bridge unless there was a revolution. 00:19:40.259 --> 00:19:42.480 The violence is necessitated by the building 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:44.799 of the bridge. If it wasn't the violence, then 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:51.140 the humans would continue on unfettered. It's 00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:54.019 because they attacked the mayor. And yeah, they 00:19:54.019 --> 00:19:56.319 can't kill the mayor in this movie, obviously, 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.079 because it's a kid's movie and whatnot. But it's 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:02.980 because the mayor is being attacked and it causes 00:20:02.980 --> 00:20:05.220 all of this destruction. It causes these fires 00:20:05.220 --> 00:20:09.410 and these things, whatever. And then the mayor's 00:20:09.410 --> 00:20:11.809 like, okay, you saved me. Like you had compassion 00:20:11.809 --> 00:20:13.569 for me in the moment when you could have actually 00:20:13.569 --> 00:20:16.589 destroyed the city. Instead, you let us keep 00:20:16.589 --> 00:20:18.250 the city. So we'll let you keep the wood. Like 00:20:18.250 --> 00:20:21.589 there's a, there's a like, they come to a peace 00:20:21.589 --> 00:20:24.950 after a war. I got you. I got you. So I'm going 00:20:24.950 --> 00:20:27.549 to agree with you that, yeah. So at first it's 00:20:27.549 --> 00:20:29.609 more of like, it's more of like what they're 00:20:29.609 --> 00:20:31.369 doing in one battle after another. They're like 00:20:31.369 --> 00:20:33.490 subverting the empire by breaking some shit. 00:20:34.409 --> 00:20:36.670 Which is like, you know, freeing prisoners. In 00:20:36.670 --> 00:20:38.930 this case, it's destroying the speakers so that 00:20:38.930 --> 00:20:42.990 they can rehabitate. I don't know. So they can 00:20:42.990 --> 00:20:45.190 come back to the... Move back in. So they can 00:20:45.190 --> 00:20:47.569 move back in. And then that escalates because 00:20:47.569 --> 00:20:51.250 the humans retaliate and put even more of those 00:20:51.250 --> 00:20:52.809 things up. Because they're already infringed 00:20:52.809 --> 00:20:56.670 on the borders and... Yeah, yeah, yeah. They 00:20:56.670 --> 00:20:59.009 blow up the dam and whatever. And they think 00:20:59.009 --> 00:21:01.109 that they're entitled to this settlement by birthright. 00:21:01.870 --> 00:21:05.670 Yeah, so it is after that war, you know, the 00:21:05.670 --> 00:21:09.109 animals come after all the humans, and then the 00:21:09.109 --> 00:21:11.930 final thing with, like, the show and whatever, 00:21:12.069 --> 00:21:16.210 and the little Heimlich, evil Heimlich, that 00:21:16.210 --> 00:21:20.069 possesses the mayor, or it's the robot mayor 00:21:20.069 --> 00:21:24.569 body or whatever, and it's like, that's a... 00:21:24.569 --> 00:21:27.230 Just real quick, when he's being reborn... And 00:21:27.230 --> 00:21:29.950 they're in the hospital, and you see him being 00:21:29.950 --> 00:21:32.049 reborn, all the animals surrounding him, and 00:21:32.049 --> 00:21:36.170 he's coming out of the thing. I don't know what 00:21:36.170 --> 00:21:37.869 movie that's referencing. What movie is that 00:21:37.869 --> 00:21:40.289 referencing? Because it's something satanic, 00:21:40.309 --> 00:21:43.670 obviously. Yeah, yeah. I'm not as much of a horror 00:21:43.670 --> 00:21:45.329 movie guy. I don't know the things. It reminds 00:21:45.329 --> 00:21:47.450 me of Rosemary's Baby, but I'm sure that's like, 00:21:47.529 --> 00:21:49.829 I don't know. There's really creepy vibes in 00:21:49.829 --> 00:21:51.750 this movie, man. There's really creepy vibes 00:21:51.750 --> 00:21:53.819 in this movie. I think before we get to all that, 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:55.880 let's just talk about Mabel because we haven't 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:57.859 yet. I think what's interesting about her is 00:21:57.859 --> 00:21:59.900 she incites the violence and then regrets it, 00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:03.859 right? Is that she, through her activism, she 00:22:03.859 --> 00:22:06.839 like creates the escalation because she tries 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:11.240 to like identify with the animals by wearing, 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:13.680 by being an infiltrator and wearing their skin 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:15.539 and pretending she's one of them like a fucking, 00:22:15.740 --> 00:22:19.180 like an ally. However, her actions are not wrong. 00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:23.140 Her actions are not wrong. Because, Because if 00:22:23.140 --> 00:22:25.900 it wasn't for her, the humans would just keep 00:22:25.900 --> 00:22:30.500 taking over. That's true. It's not a thing that's 00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:33.259 balanced so that we actually can learn the lesson 00:22:33.259 --> 00:22:36.660 here. She's like, yeah, she's kind of making 00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:39.279 a mistake and whatever, but also her mistake, 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:41.059 which leads to this violence, which leads to 00:22:41.059 --> 00:22:42.740 this war and blah, blah, blah, is the only way 00:22:42.740 --> 00:22:45.500 that you could actually... save the thing that 00:22:45.500 --> 00:22:48.359 is just being killed by these people like you 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:50.200 know what i mean so it is kind of like a thing 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:52.279 of like even these indefensible things like are 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:55.339 necessary sure sure you know what i mean but 00:22:55.339 --> 00:22:57.599 i do think she's a traitor to her kind in some 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:59.559 ways like in this movie of course she's a traitor 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:01.359 to her kind yeah she's a traitor to humankind 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:04.640 in the war of humans versus animals in this movie 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:07.619 at least The thing that she is trying to save, 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:09.740 she's literally the only one who cares about, 00:23:09.900 --> 00:23:11.799 and she's the only one who cares about it because 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.940 of personal reasons. She's not an activist who's 00:23:15.940 --> 00:23:19.160 going out there fighting all these big causes. 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:21.180 She's fighting for this really personal thing, 00:23:21.299 --> 00:23:23.339 just saving this one tiny thing in the corner 00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:25.619 of my world. In her backyard. In her backyard. 00:23:26.019 --> 00:23:27.960 And that's kind of cool in a way because it's 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:31.279 actually more conservative in a way. She wants 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:33.259 to conserve this thing that's been there her 00:23:33.259 --> 00:23:35.259 whole life. That reminds her of her grandma. 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:38.359 It's traditional. But she embodies this sort 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:44.140 of non -binary stereotype or some shit. I don't 00:23:44.140 --> 00:23:46.259 think she was non -binary. Was she? I mean, no. 00:23:46.339 --> 00:23:48.339 She's a girl in the movie or whatever. I'm just 00:23:48.339 --> 00:23:52.220 saying she's androgynous. She's tomboyish. I 00:23:52.220 --> 00:23:53.960 don't know how you define these things anymore 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:56.859 in the cultural context. But she's not played 00:23:56.859 --> 00:23:58.140 as that. I think that's just part of the thing. 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.470 This is a movie where they... you know, created 00:24:01.470 --> 00:24:03.309 a main character and they decided to make her 00:24:03.309 --> 00:24:06.009 a girl because they need to have more girl main 00:24:06.009 --> 00:24:08.450 characters and things and whatever. Like it is, 00:24:08.450 --> 00:24:10.950 it is a part of the like post, you know, notes 00:24:10.950 --> 00:24:13.690 day paradigm. If you see the crowd of the kids 00:24:13.690 --> 00:24:15.390 in the class, there's like a kid in a wheelchair. 00:24:15.589 --> 00:24:17.309 There's like every single, like, you know what 00:24:17.309 --> 00:24:19.210 I mean? Every, this class is the most diverse 00:24:19.210 --> 00:24:22.789 possible representational thing. And yeah, she's 00:24:22.789 --> 00:24:25.549 a girl, even though like. She might as well be 00:24:25.549 --> 00:24:27.829 a boy. Like it doesn't matter, but I'm okay with 00:24:27.829 --> 00:24:29.569 that. Like I just, you know, and the only white 00:24:29.569 --> 00:24:32.789 man is the mayor who's kind of the villain. And 00:24:32.789 --> 00:24:35.450 I think that's another thing, but like the movie 00:24:35.450 --> 00:24:39.529 in the end also doesn't want you to feel like 00:24:39.529 --> 00:24:41.769 he's the villain, you know, like he's kind of 00:24:41.769 --> 00:24:44.390 like just caught up in this too. I mean, like 00:24:44.390 --> 00:24:46.250 I said, that whole entire city is in love with 00:24:46.250 --> 00:24:49.069 him. He's very popular. And like, he's creating 00:24:49.069 --> 00:24:51.210 this thing for their infrastructure that they're 00:24:51.210 --> 00:24:54.400 all going to really enjoy. And there's one person 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.740 who's upset about this, like, glade. But, like, 00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:59.740 that's a thing. That's all just in their world. 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:02.299 Like, that's not considering the things that 00:25:02.299 --> 00:25:04.259 you are harming, which is this ecosystem and 00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:06.740 these animals. And eventually that will come 00:25:06.740 --> 00:25:08.619 back to bite you if you mess with it enough. 00:25:09.299 --> 00:25:12.240 Right. And it's like it's her personal lashing 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.099 out that allows the saving of that whole ecosystem 00:25:15.099 --> 00:25:17.059 that also is connected to the human ecosystem 00:25:17.059 --> 00:25:18.819 and blah, blah, blah, and saves the world. But 00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:21.900 it is. It is like she's lashing out. Yeah. For 00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:24.500 personal reasons. And she's annoying and whatever. 00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:26.200 I mean, I didn't find her annoying, but I mean, 00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:29.339 she's supposed to be annoying. I mean, I thought 00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:32.460 it was a well -run. I thought like her dynamic 00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:34.299 with the mayor was funny. Like, I don't know. 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:37.640 Like it's a pretty small movie and doesn't really 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.440 get to like mucky with his characters or like 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.279 relationships and plot lines. Like it all makes, 00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:44.500 it's all really smooth as far as like a movie 00:25:44.500 --> 00:25:46.619 with a plot and like the motivations and stuff. 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:50.150 I think where it gets really, really, mucky is 00:25:50.150 --> 00:25:52.630 all this stuff that feels creepy that's in it 00:25:52.630 --> 00:25:55.910 and all these like dark themes and stuff that 00:25:55.910 --> 00:25:58.069 like and all these things that feel the darkest 00:25:58.069 --> 00:26:01.650 of any pixar so far like it might be the darkest 00:26:01.650 --> 00:26:04.730 of any pixar it's weird dude i mean maybe maybe 00:26:04.730 --> 00:26:07.750 like wally and some of the like up like these 00:26:07.750 --> 00:26:10.109 are sadder movies and whatnot but this is a movie 00:26:10.109 --> 00:26:12.779 that's talking about like you know sometimes 00:26:12.779 --> 00:26:15.180 it's good to hate sometimes it's good to kill 00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:17.079 like you know what i mean it's like it's a really 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.519 like and to me it feels like it's like we were 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:22.240 talking about the transition during toy story 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.099 3 saying like this isn't for millennials anymore 00:26:24.099 --> 00:26:27.640 this is for gen z you know what i mean like uh 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:29.940 what's the what's the what's the generation after 00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:33.619 gen z gen alpha alpha so maybe this is the one 00:26:33.619 --> 00:26:36.170 for alpha where it's like yo you guys Your parents 00:26:36.170 --> 00:26:37.549 and your parents' parents, they were all a bunch 00:26:37.549 --> 00:26:39.250 of pussies. You need to be able to go out there 00:26:39.250 --> 00:26:42.170 and kill and eat the flesh of your enemies and 00:26:42.170 --> 00:26:44.990 hate them with your whole soul. Let it flow through 00:26:44.990 --> 00:26:47.069 you. And, like, that's the only, like, you know 00:26:47.069 --> 00:26:49.029 what I mean? It really feels like it's saying 00:26:49.029 --> 00:26:50.890 something very different than the types of things 00:26:50.890 --> 00:26:52.390 that they would say to millennials. And also 00:26:52.390 --> 00:26:55.009 very different from the, like, just girl power 00:26:55.009 --> 00:26:58.349 sort of political screeds of the Gen Z period. 00:26:58.410 --> 00:27:04.279 This Gen Alpha thing is scary. Yeah, dude. Sometimes 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:08.839 I think, like, my son is destined to – it's hard 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:10.900 to know how to put this, but, like, sometimes 00:27:10.900 --> 00:27:13.740 I feel, looking at him now, that, like, he is 00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:15.900 not made for this world, that he's made for a 00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:17.500 different world in the future that hasn't come 00:27:17.500 --> 00:27:19.559 yet. It's, like, really hard to explain because 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:21.140 I just don't think this world is going to be 00:27:21.140 --> 00:27:22.579 here anymore. You're just Sarah Connering it. 00:27:23.019 --> 00:27:26.839 I got you. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, man, I agree, 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.640 but that's why I also think this feels like a 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.819 predictive programming Psyhub thing. Like, I 00:27:30.819 --> 00:27:33.109 think there's something – Really dark and weird 00:27:33.109 --> 00:27:36.430 about how it feels like it's psychologically 00:27:36.430 --> 00:27:39.670 manipulating you in some way. It's like, yo, 00:27:39.670 --> 00:27:43.349 when China comes in here on the ground, you guys 00:27:43.349 --> 00:27:45.910 need to be able to kill them without remorse. 00:27:48.450 --> 00:27:52.670 It's like, what's the... Red Dawn, you know what 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:55.450 I mean? It felt like Red Dawn a little bit. I 00:27:55.450 --> 00:27:57.670 still think it's a little unclear how much this 00:27:57.670 --> 00:28:00.509 particular war in the movie... affects anybody 00:28:00.509 --> 00:28:03.990 outside of the mabel and the mayor and the animals 00:28:03.990 --> 00:28:05.410 like i know there's that crowd of people there 00:28:05.410 --> 00:28:07.730 at the end but like did it get telegraphed to 00:28:07.730 --> 00:28:09.049 them that they were like about to have their 00:28:09.049 --> 00:28:12.609 heads blown up and that they were i i thought 00:28:12.609 --> 00:28:15.150 i thought it did yeah because there's there's 00:28:15.150 --> 00:28:17.349 the one there's a really funny like cut to the 00:28:17.349 --> 00:28:18.630 guy in the crowd who's like i don't think that's 00:28:18.630 --> 00:28:21.009 the mayor no i know you're right he kind of does 00:28:21.009 --> 00:28:23.470 telegraph it to them You're right. And after 00:28:23.470 --> 00:28:26.150 that point, it's like, okay, well they know that 00:28:26.150 --> 00:28:30.009 they're like, and then it creates an explosion. 00:28:30.210 --> 00:28:31.970 Like they make sure that it's not just like a 00:28:31.970 --> 00:28:33.829 spark that causes the fire. It's like the robot 00:28:33.829 --> 00:28:36.630 literally just blows up and creates an explosion, 00:28:36.789 --> 00:28:39.869 which is like that aesthetic is interesting and 00:28:39.869 --> 00:28:42.069 then creates this big fire. But then, you know, 00:28:42.069 --> 00:28:45.430 the big fire, it's like, I guess the war created 00:28:45.430 --> 00:28:50.029 the fire, but also like, I just think what's 00:28:50.029 --> 00:28:52.970 weird about it is that like, The animals don't 00:28:52.970 --> 00:28:55.970 recognize the enemy without Mabel's help. And 00:28:55.970 --> 00:28:58.130 then she directs their anger at the mayor, not 00:28:58.130 --> 00:29:00.009 even humanity as a whole. She just says like, 00:29:00.049 --> 00:29:02.529 you have to get Jerry, you know? And that's like, 00:29:02.549 --> 00:29:04.789 they don't like swarm the whole city or something. 00:29:04.869 --> 00:29:06.710 Like they just specifically go after Jerry, which 00:29:06.710 --> 00:29:09.150 leads to one of the most absurd visual gags in 00:29:09.150 --> 00:29:11.509 the entire fucking thing. Or maybe in all of 00:29:11.509 --> 00:29:14.210 Pixar, which is the fucking shark. I loved it. 00:29:14.230 --> 00:29:16.329 You hated it? No, no, no. I'm saying it's absurd. 00:29:16.490 --> 00:29:18.170 I'm saying it's one of the most absurd fucking 00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:20.440 things I've ever seen. Like it's just. Yeah, 00:29:20.460 --> 00:29:23.220 no, I, when they, when, but it starts with the, 00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:25.819 the birds all diving under the water and stuff 00:29:25.819 --> 00:29:28.259 with this like, you know, drum roll. It was like, 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.480 it was such a, it was very cinematic. It was 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.980 very fun. It was also surprising. It was really 00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:34.180 like, that was, that was creative and surprising 00:29:34.180 --> 00:29:37.960 and weird. Apex Predator. Yeah. Yeah. And that 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.839 was a moment that felt very Pixar. In a movie 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:43.700 that like really often did not feel Pixar, like 00:29:43.700 --> 00:29:46.960 that I felt like was a Pixar moment, you know? 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.180 Definitely. No, I agree, man. Like, um, and it's, 00:29:52.180 --> 00:29:53.740 and it's, what's weird is that this is made by, 00:29:53.740 --> 00:29:57.619 um, people who are like relatively unexpected. 00:29:57.819 --> 00:30:00.279 Like, I mean the director, Daniel Chong, that's 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.839 his name, right? Yeah. So he, he apparently did 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.079 storyboards or something. I think he was a storyboard 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:09.200 artist on, um, inside out, but also he had his 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.740 own cartoon network show. Yeah. We bear bears. 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.480 We bear bears, which I've watched a couple of 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:19.190 episodes of, and I don't really understand. what 00:30:19.190 --> 00:30:23.109 makes this show unique or anything like, you 00:30:23.109 --> 00:30:24.529 know what I mean? It's, it kind of feels like, 00:30:24.529 --> 00:30:27.329 but he also wrote this with one of the writers 00:30:27.329 --> 00:30:31.450 of Luca. Yeah. So, but those are the, like, that's 00:30:31.450 --> 00:30:34.230 the only, the only real connection these creatives 00:30:34.230 --> 00:30:39.589 have to earlier Pixar projects are like, yes, 00:30:39.630 --> 00:30:41.130 Dan was trying to do storyboards and this guy 00:30:41.130 --> 00:30:43.690 did some writing work on Luca and whatever. And, 00:30:43.690 --> 00:30:46.250 and, but it did kind of seem to me like a project 00:30:46.250 --> 00:30:48.880 that was hiring out again. Like as opposed to 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.279 just, you know, promoting somebody internal or 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.039 just finding some girl and asking, do you want 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.579 to be a director? And then giving it to her instead, 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.200 like they found a guy who had his own TV show 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.539 and then a spinoff TV show and then a movie based 00:31:02.539 --> 00:31:06.359 on that TV show. Like, and he kind of was a creative, 00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:11.740 you know, lead of this thing that is, there's 00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:14.269 an auteur. behind it like or at least there's 00:31:14.269 --> 00:31:16.509 a singular vision behind it you know what i mean 00:31:16.509 --> 00:31:19.049 in a like no man this one's this one is like 00:31:19.049 --> 00:31:21.410 like i think there are messy elements to it but 00:31:21.410 --> 00:31:23.869 i think uh overall it's a really clean tight 00:31:23.869 --> 00:31:26.690 movie like uh it's a very clear vision to it 00:31:26.690 --> 00:31:29.250 it's really thematically consistent it's tonally 00:31:29.250 --> 00:31:32.589 consistent yeah i would say yeah totally consistent 00:31:32.589 --> 00:31:36.039 definitely Um, I don't know that it has any moral 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:39.140 consistency, but it also embraces a lack of moral 00:31:39.140 --> 00:31:44.319 consistency. No, it embraces, it embraces ambiguity, 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.140 which is pretty great. Yeah. Cause I, cause I 00:31:47.140 --> 00:31:50.559 do think like in some ways it has its cake and 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.720 eats it too. Like a lot of kids movies that try 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:58.779 to tackle big, tough ideas. Um, like when I just, 00:31:58.819 --> 00:32:01.039 what was it that I just watched that was like 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.750 the Bill Murray one. osmosis jones osmosis jones 00:32:05.750 --> 00:32:07.250 because that i mean that it also reminded me 00:32:07.250 --> 00:32:10.009 of osmosis jones another very violent kids movie 00:32:10.009 --> 00:32:14.490 with actual killing in it um yeah i i that was 00:32:14.490 --> 00:32:16.529 talking more about the body and the immune system 00:32:16.529 --> 00:32:19.630 and cancer i don't really know that osmosis jones 00:32:19.630 --> 00:32:23.549 is supposed to be a kids movie but what i mean 00:32:23.549 --> 00:32:26.009 it was a pg -13 i mean it's like it's pretty 00:32:26.009 --> 00:32:29.450 adult and it's themed it looks like it's pg osmosis 00:32:29.450 --> 00:32:31.539 jones is a pg movie i just looked it up But it 00:32:31.539 --> 00:32:35.180 doesn't matter. It's dark. But I'm probably thinking 00:32:35.180 --> 00:32:38.359 of an earlier Pixar movie that we talked about. 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.420 But this really should have been PG -13. No? 00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.700 If they said killing instead of squishing the 00:32:43.700 --> 00:32:45.299 whole time, it would have been PG -13, right? 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:47.720 I don't know. Then they could have said fuck 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.359 twice. I just don't know where the line is on 00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.039 that now. That's what I was going to say about 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.299 this unalived thing in Disney movies. I don't 00:32:55.299 --> 00:32:58.039 know how prevalent it is. Wait, do they say it 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.099 in Disney movies? I thought this was just an 00:33:00.099 --> 00:33:02.500 internet, like, avoiding the algorithm thing. 00:33:02.859 --> 00:33:04.480 No, no, I don't mean it. And then, like, now 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.059 Gen Z kids say it. No, I don't mean them saying 00:33:08.059 --> 00:33:10.119 literally unalive, but finding a different word 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:14.279 for kill. I just watched Tron Ares, and that's 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.160 a movie where, like, people get killed, but they 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.799 just say deleted, you know? Right. Like, in Tron 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.799 Ares, like, just like in the other ones, the 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.549 humans can go into the digital world, so. There's 00:33:26.549 --> 00:33:27.990 a thing where, like, she gets sucked into the 00:33:27.990 --> 00:33:30.210 digital world and then, like, the bad guy tries 00:33:30.210 --> 00:33:34.269 to, like, kill her in the digital world so that 00:33:34.269 --> 00:33:37.609 she'll die in the real world. And, you know, 00:33:37.630 --> 00:33:39.490 it's just basic fucking Matrix conversation again. 00:33:40.109 --> 00:33:42.589 Right. Just like, if I get deleted here, do I 00:33:42.589 --> 00:33:45.450 get deleted out there? You know what I mean? 00:33:45.490 --> 00:33:48.609 Right. It's just like, dude, like, no one would 00:33:48.609 --> 00:33:52.650 say that. Yeah. But that's why I think this movie 00:33:52.650 --> 00:33:54.829 gets some credit for saying, I'm sorry, I killed 00:33:54.829 --> 00:33:57.890 your mom. No, I know, but it chooses to do away 00:33:57.890 --> 00:34:00.789 with the euphemism, to turn the squished into 00:34:00.789 --> 00:34:02.589 kill, because I think that's important. I think 00:34:02.589 --> 00:34:06.829 her, when she riles up the colony to go squish 00:34:06.829 --> 00:34:11.050 Jerry, and then she squishes Butterfly Mom, who 00:34:11.050 --> 00:34:12.989 looks basically exactly like the butterfly in 00:34:12.989 --> 00:34:16.070 A Bug's Life, I think that's a moment she regrets, 00:34:16.250 --> 00:34:19.210 and she watches the acceleration and escalation 00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:21.260 of the mistakes she made, and that's... that 00:34:21.260 --> 00:34:22.960 sucks. And then in the end, she's just trying 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.440 to like do better. Just like in the moment, she's 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.039 trying not to like, she's not projecting anymore. 00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.099 She's not trying to like blame or like, I think 00:34:30.099 --> 00:34:32.679 it's just like the letting go of the agenda at 00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:35.039 that point. And just trying to like be the best 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.039 person you can moment to moment and not like 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:41.219 let anything in the past, you know, like she's 00:34:41.219 --> 00:34:43.300 realized, Oh, I don't want to kill Jerry. Like 00:34:43.300 --> 00:34:46.260 I wanted a more diplomatic resolution to this, 00:34:46.300 --> 00:34:48.800 but that didn't happen. And now this has gotten 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.760 completely out of control. And it's like important 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.519 that in the end, her and Jerry work together 00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:58.260 to make it right. You know, I don't know if that's 00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:00.059 super real. Like, I don't know if that's really 00:35:00.059 --> 00:35:01.940 what would happen ever. Like, I think that's 00:35:01.940 --> 00:35:04.500 a very wishful thinking idea that the, I don't 00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:06.380 know, protester and the politician will like 00:35:06.380 --> 00:35:10.119 make good after the disaster. But maybe you're 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.219 right. Maybe just a disaster needs to happen 00:35:12.219 --> 00:35:14.159 for those people to shake hands and be like, 00:35:14.219 --> 00:35:17.219 let's try to be better. Yeah, you just need to 00:35:17.219 --> 00:35:20.610 hold your enemy's life in your hands. And then 00:35:20.610 --> 00:35:24.289 show mercy. And show mercy, yeah. I pardon you. 00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:28.630 Yes, yes, exactly. So let's get into the conspiracy 00:35:28.630 --> 00:35:32.050 stuff because one thing that I thought was interesting 00:35:32.050 --> 00:35:35.730 is not only in this movie, but a bunch of Pixar 00:35:35.730 --> 00:35:37.909 movies, especially in the late years, do this 00:35:37.909 --> 00:35:43.420 doppelganger thing, do this like... person wearing 00:35:43.420 --> 00:35:46.519 a mask thing like kagamusha thing yeah like i 00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:47.699 don't know there's something creepy about it 00:35:47.699 --> 00:35:49.380 now there's something really weird about the 00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:53.219 um the mayor robot not only is that that actually 00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:55.719 just an insanely terrifying character and his 00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:57.559 movements and the voice and everything like it's 00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.139 actually jim carrey yeah the jim carrey thing 00:36:00.139 --> 00:36:01.639 is what was coming to mind i'm not trying to 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:03.380 say anything man i'm not trying to be like this 00:36:03.380 --> 00:36:05.699 definitely they made this before that i made 00:36:05.699 --> 00:36:08.300 ilia before that or whatever but like this idea 00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:11.340 that like people get replaced or that, like, 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:13.800 people have doubles and stuff like that has been 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.760 floating around for a while, you know? Yeah, 00:36:16.820 --> 00:36:19.380 it started popping back up, I think, during the 00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:22.920 Trump -Hillary election. Yeah, exactly. People 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:24.719 were saying there was Hillary suits and stuff. 00:36:25.210 --> 00:36:27.610 Yeah, that Hillary was sick and that she had 00:36:27.610 --> 00:36:29.909 been missing for a couple of days and blah, blah, 00:36:29.969 --> 00:36:32.929 blah. And then after this one week that she had 00:36:32.929 --> 00:36:35.489 been replaced and it was all fake Hillary after 00:36:35.489 --> 00:36:37.690 that point or something. Yeah, I remember these 00:36:37.690 --> 00:36:39.849 popping back up. It was way back then. And it 00:36:39.849 --> 00:36:41.949 has not gone away since then. Now it's just much 00:36:41.949 --> 00:36:44.550 more, much more. I mean, we're seeing Epsteins 00:36:44.550 --> 00:36:46.469 all over the place now. Yeah, there's fake Epstein. 00:36:46.469 --> 00:36:50.010 There's fake Ghislaine. There's fake Jim Carrey. 00:36:50.369 --> 00:36:53.710 There's fake. Kanye. Fake Ghislaine is pretty 00:36:53.710 --> 00:36:56.070 convincing. Fake Ghislaine is actually pretty 00:36:56.070 --> 00:36:57.949 convincing. That doesn't look like her. It's 00:36:57.949 --> 00:37:00.769 really weird. She does not look at all the same. 00:37:00.929 --> 00:37:02.050 Did someone break her face? Maybe she hasn't 00:37:02.050 --> 00:37:03.789 been up keeping her plastic surgery or whatever. 00:37:04.989 --> 00:37:10.030 And the Jim Carrey, you know, hey. You know what 00:37:10.030 --> 00:37:12.190 could be with Ghislaine Maxwell? She's not eating 00:37:12.190 --> 00:37:14.469 the babies anymore. She's not taking the adrenochrome. 00:37:14.690 --> 00:37:16.550 Yeah, I mean, that's possible. But all of these 00:37:16.550 --> 00:37:19.750 people may just have had their adrenochrome supply 00:37:19.750 --> 00:37:21.699 cut off. Yeah, that's possible. You know what 00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:25.179 I mean? Like, once Epstein goes down, you've 00:37:25.179 --> 00:37:27.960 got to find another guy to blend up your babies. 00:37:28.059 --> 00:37:30.039 It's Ozempic at that point. Jim Carrey may not 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.860 have found that guy in time, and then his face 00:37:32.860 --> 00:37:35.019 started blowing up again. Who knows? Who knows 00:37:35.019 --> 00:37:36.500 which of these people are eating babies and which 00:37:36.500 --> 00:37:38.500 ones are actually the good guys. I have to say, 00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:41.539 though, that the Jim Carrey one really spooked 00:37:41.539 --> 00:37:46.519 me, man. yeah it's really spooky um like not 00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:48.420 it's not it's not even like just reading headlines 00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:50.639 or like conspiracy theory posts it's just like 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.320 watching the video of the speech watching every 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:56.840 video of that night because i also i think there's 00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.940 something uncanny about like plastic surgery 00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:03.860 in general now um that like and the other thing 00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:06.920 i think is really weird it's like it's like the 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.539 fact that ai happened at a certain point. We 00:38:10.539 --> 00:38:12.320 can no longer tell whether the videos we see 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.000 are real or not. It's like now that plastic surgery 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.940 has gotten to a certain point, we don't know 00:38:17.940 --> 00:38:20.539 whether or not somebody's wearing a mask. You 00:38:20.539 --> 00:38:22.940 know what I mean? Because like now that we've 00:38:22.940 --> 00:38:24.679 normalized people walking around looking like 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.079 they have masks as faces. I think both of those 00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.760 things go hand in hand. I think the most like, 00:38:29.900 --> 00:38:32.880 I think the most logical explanation for what 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:34.900 happened to Jim Carrey, because something happened 00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:37.179 to him. Something changed. If that is Jim Carrey. 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:39.400 That's what's spooky about it. Something happened. 00:38:39.460 --> 00:38:42.000 Something changed. But the most logical thing 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.800 is that the dude stopped making movies a while 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.119 ago. He's in retirement. He has a new lease on 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.340 life because he has this new girlfriend. Maybe 00:38:50.340 --> 00:38:52.820 he's just happy for once and on some medication 00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:57.380 and not in this existential depression and decided 00:38:57.380 --> 00:39:00.840 that he wants plastic surgery even though he's 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.619 not in movies anymore. that is the one that's 00:39:03.619 --> 00:39:05.940 just weird. Like he's rubber face. His face has 00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:07.980 always been like, he has a billion dollar face. 00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:10.139 That's always been his bread and butter. And 00:39:10.139 --> 00:39:12.699 so like, if he's retired, he doesn't need plastic 00:39:12.699 --> 00:39:15.880 surgery. He can age naturally. You know what 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.059 I mean? Like why does he need plastic? And if 00:39:18.059 --> 00:39:19.780 he was still working, why would he need plastic 00:39:19.780 --> 00:39:23.440 surgery? All those things are antithetical to 00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.739 the person we knew him as, that he presented 00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:27.900 as, the person who seemed authentically that. 00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.079 But he also said, I have the Peter Sellers disease, 00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:32.960 essentially. I'm not Jim Carrey. I can be anyone. 00:39:33.219 --> 00:39:34.840 So who the fuck knows, man? And also, people 00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:38.980 who are on medication can talk that way. And 00:39:38.980 --> 00:39:42.539 their personalities can be adjusted in a way 00:39:42.539 --> 00:39:45.119 that is like that. Maybe his new girlfriend is 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.039 his handler, and she just gave him a pill regimen 00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.139 and convinced him to do all this stuff. It'd 00:39:50.139 --> 00:39:51.980 be easier to give somebody a handler than to 00:39:51.980 --> 00:39:54.199 kill them and like create a clone of them, whatever. 00:39:54.340 --> 00:39:55.980 You know, like there's a lot of easier ways to 00:39:55.980 --> 00:39:58.380 control people. Totally. But I just do think 00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:00.219 that's been a theme, man. Like even if you're 00:40:00.219 --> 00:40:02.440 not literally replaced, like the idea that like 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.820 a spirit has possessed you, the idea that that 00:40:04.820 --> 00:40:06.940 person is not the person they were anymore, like 00:40:06.940 --> 00:40:09.739 they've changed. Right. The idea of creating, 00:40:09.940 --> 00:40:11.519 you know, because in Elio, it's like creating 00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:14.179 the doppelganger that like makes a sister happier 00:40:14.179 --> 00:40:16.940 than the original did because the original is 00:40:16.940 --> 00:40:20.800 a real person with like flaws and like all this 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.000 like complexity, whereas the clone is just like 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:25.119 this thing that does exactly what she wants and 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.820 then she's happy, you know? Right. And that's 00:40:27.820 --> 00:40:31.119 the vibe Jim Carrey gave off is someone who was 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.719 like trying to make everybody happy. I don't 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.230 know. Because basically Jim Carrey had a knack 00:40:37.230 --> 00:40:39.650 of giving speeches that were also pretty revealing. 00:40:40.269 --> 00:40:42.070 Everyone's diving through all the speeches over 00:40:42.070 --> 00:40:43.750 the years and all the cryptic stuff he was saying 00:40:43.750 --> 00:40:47.590 in there that felt like dog whistles to signal 00:40:47.590 --> 00:40:50.230 to Epstein and all kinds of creepy shit that 00:40:50.230 --> 00:40:52.170 was happening in the industry. Right, but that's 00:40:52.170 --> 00:40:54.309 also just true of everything that we used to 00:40:54.309 --> 00:40:59.090 believe when we were 16 too. If you watched any 00:40:59.090 --> 00:41:05.210 conspiracy videos back in 2007, you had the similar 00:41:05.210 --> 00:41:07.869 views that like, and you could, yeah, like be 00:41:07.869 --> 00:41:09.829 like, yeah, and this, these people are in control 00:41:09.829 --> 00:41:12.090 or these people are eating babies. And there's 00:41:12.090 --> 00:41:14.309 an international pedophile rings that are, you 00:41:14.309 --> 00:41:17.230 know, it's like that turned out to be true. It 00:41:17.230 --> 00:41:19.630 doesn't like, it doesn't mean that you knew anything 00:41:19.630 --> 00:41:21.809 about that stuff. Like I didn't know any more 00:41:21.809 --> 00:41:23.570 than anybody else about any of that stuff. I 00:41:23.570 --> 00:41:25.329 just watched conspiracy videos. It's quite possible 00:41:25.329 --> 00:41:27.250 that Jim Carrey also didn't know any more than 00:41:27.250 --> 00:41:30.039 anybody about any of that stuff. I think there 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:33.760 would be a difference between me getting into 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.519 that conspiracy and making a public statement 00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.559 about how I thought all that stuff was true and 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:41.539 Jim Carrey doing it because he's actually in 00:41:41.539 --> 00:41:45.860 the industry and is like a high value asset in 00:41:45.860 --> 00:41:48.380 the industry who had to have come into contact 00:41:48.380 --> 00:41:52.239 with some of the highest reaches of power. and 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.000 like possibly get invited into the back room 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:56.739 at the diddy parties whatever you know it's like 00:41:56.739 --> 00:41:59.500 it's these people orbited it whether they liked 00:41:59.500 --> 00:42:02.059 it or not and when they saw what was there they 00:42:02.059 --> 00:42:04.739 realized that they had to keep it a secret otherwise 00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:06.860 it was over for them maybe not just for their 00:42:06.860 --> 00:42:09.179 career but maybe for their life you know a lot 00:42:09.179 --> 00:42:11.280 of people think justin bieber was whistleblowing 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.110 about this in his music videos and stuff because 00:42:14.110 --> 00:42:16.530 all that stuff, like all the pizza stuff, you 00:42:16.530 --> 00:42:18.889 know, all the pizza iconography. And he was basically 00:42:18.889 --> 00:42:21.909 a kid that was sold to fucking P Diddy, like 00:42:21.909 --> 00:42:24.710 as a conservatorship or whatever. Like, you know 00:42:24.710 --> 00:42:26.170 what I mean? Like this stuff is fucked up, dude. 00:42:26.530 --> 00:42:28.530 Like there's human trafficking going on in Hollywood. 00:42:28.610 --> 00:42:31.309 There's like children. Epstein was like raising 00:42:31.309 --> 00:42:33.050 babies that didn't have birth certificates so 00:42:33.050 --> 00:42:34.309 they could eat them and shit. Like, you know 00:42:34.309 --> 00:42:37.090 what I mean? Like. The dark is fucked up most 00:42:37.090 --> 00:42:38.849 shit imaginable. And the idea that there weren't 00:42:38.849 --> 00:42:40.789 people who knew this was going on when it was 00:42:40.789 --> 00:42:44.889 happening actively in the 90s, like Jim Carrey, 00:42:44.949 --> 00:42:47.230 who I believe is a good person, honestly. I think 00:42:47.230 --> 00:42:49.269 he's the kind of person who would be like, well, 00:42:49.510 --> 00:42:52.989 this breaks everything. He just feels like the 00:42:52.989 --> 00:42:55.849 industry drove him crazy. And then he became 00:42:55.849 --> 00:42:58.650 like, I don't know, just feels like something 00:42:58.650 --> 00:43:01.860 that... you i mean it's like almost like he was 00:43:01.860 --> 00:43:04.159 existing in the fog of war but before any of 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.139 us you know like being in hollywood is like what's 00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:09.360 real who's a friend what's even like you know 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.300 what i mean sure yeah but i do think in the end 00:43:13.300 --> 00:43:17.260 all this stuff is like it's become the fog of 00:43:17.260 --> 00:43:19.780 war basically like you can't you don't know if 00:43:19.780 --> 00:43:22.519 jim carrey is alive or dead You don't know if 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.380 Charlie Kirk is alive or dead. You don't know 00:43:24.380 --> 00:43:25.579 if Benjamin Netanyahu is alive or dead. You don't 00:43:25.579 --> 00:43:27.179 know if he's acting that way because he's a robot 00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:28.719 or because he's drugged. You don't know if his 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.179 face looks that way because he was convinced 00:43:31.179 --> 00:43:33.139 to get plastic surgery or because somebody else 00:43:33.139 --> 00:43:35.980 is wearing his face. Yeah, exactly. And it doesn't 00:43:35.980 --> 00:43:38.280 matter which one it is because a drugged Jim 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.920 Carrey versus a Jim Carrey impersonator is the 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.300 same thing. Yeah. And I think that's what I mean. 00:43:43.300 --> 00:43:45.420 It's an asset of the government that is in control 00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:47.860 of them. And this gets back to the psyop nature 00:43:47.860 --> 00:43:50.340 of hoppers where it doesn't answer questions. 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.219 It creates more. of a fog of war and then leaves 00:43:53.219 --> 00:43:55.699 you with this nice propagandic feeling that like 00:43:55.699 --> 00:43:59.159 the sides can come together over a common decency 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:04.340 at some point um but yeah i mean to clean up 00:44:04.340 --> 00:44:08.960 the fires that were the war between the two of 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.909 them like but it's an uneasy p i mean like this 00:44:11.909 --> 00:44:13.909 is it to me the ending of hoppers feels like 00:44:13.909 --> 00:44:16.050 the end of akira that we were talking about like 00:44:16.050 --> 00:44:18.170 the manga was just kind of like yeah there's 00:44:18.170 --> 00:44:20.190 peace for now but like the fucking un is going 00:44:20.190 --> 00:44:21.670 to be back like what do you kick them out of 00:44:21.670 --> 00:44:24.329 your town but like the un they're they're going 00:44:24.329 --> 00:44:26.130 to be back you're going to like and then they're 00:44:26.130 --> 00:44:27.590 going to make these things it's going to it's 00:44:27.590 --> 00:44:30.829 going to keep going you're like this is a a temporary 00:44:30.829 --> 00:44:35.869 uh uh uneasy peace between two people two tribes 00:44:35.869 --> 00:44:40.340 that are diametrically opposed Because ultimately 00:44:40.340 --> 00:44:43.639 the city will need to expand. Because the rules 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:47.179 are – there are no pond rules because there is 00:44:47.179 --> 00:44:51.039 no harmony. It's kind of like they're all washed 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:54.659 over by Machines of Loving Grace sort of underlying 00:44:54.659 --> 00:44:57.900 message there that there is no balance of nature, 00:44:58.059 --> 00:45:01.719 right? Like nature is not and never has been 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:03.699 something that existed in balance. It's all – 00:45:04.110 --> 00:45:06.869 you know, forest fires and glacial, you know, 00:45:06.889 --> 00:45:10.670 it's all disasters and tornadoes and constant 00:45:10.670 --> 00:45:15.110 change and flux and, you know, species die out 00:45:15.110 --> 00:45:18.849 and species invade. And it's not just because 00:45:18.849 --> 00:45:21.269 of people that have thrown this off balance. 00:45:21.329 --> 00:45:25.889 There is no pond rules. It's just kind of the 00:45:25.889 --> 00:45:29.250 violence. And that's the only, and this piece 00:45:29.250 --> 00:45:32.730 between humanity and the animals at the end of 00:45:32.730 --> 00:45:34.760 this movie, like, That's just another, like, 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:36.360 well, we've got peace. That's another pond rule. 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.559 But it's like, yeah, well, until the people want 00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:40.820 to eat you, like, or until you want to eat them, 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:43.679 like, or whatever. There is no peace. All there 00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.119 is is violence. That's the only rule. Yeah, that's 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:48.059 why I really dislike this idea that everything, 00:45:48.139 --> 00:45:50.239 like, breaks even, like, everything kind of equals 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:53.360 out. Because, like, well, I mean, things didn't 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.159 equal out for the Palestinians, man. I mean, 00:45:55.179 --> 00:45:57.940 like, things didn't equal out for the Dodo. Like, 00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.269 they're never coming back, you know? Right. It's 00:46:01.269 --> 00:46:06.010 like if things even out in a universal sense, 00:46:06.269 --> 00:46:08.250 I don't give a shit because that doesn't mean 00:46:08.250 --> 00:46:10.849 I win. That doesn't give any creature on this 00:46:10.849 --> 00:46:15.510 earth the right to existence or to win. I mean, 00:46:15.570 --> 00:46:17.969 Mike Huckabee said the quiet part out loud in 00:46:17.969 --> 00:46:20.530 his interview with Tucker where he said because 00:46:20.530 --> 00:46:25.150 Tucker basically drilled him to the stump defending 00:46:25.150 --> 00:46:28.789 his ideology on Israel's right to not exist per 00:46:28.789 --> 00:46:31.199 se but have their land. And the right to take 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:34.599 more land is like, he says at some point, like 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:36.340 he's arguing this all the time, that it's like 00:46:36.340 --> 00:46:38.280 a biblical right, which is crazy on its face. 00:46:38.820 --> 00:46:41.519 Well, I mean, the country Israel, just to name 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:45.400 your own country Israel is a crazy utopian idea. 00:46:45.619 --> 00:46:48.920 It's like, oh, yes. We're talking science fiction 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:51.059 then. If you're calling yourself Israel. Then 00:46:51.059 --> 00:46:52.880 what are we talking about? You think you're going 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.820 to be Israel? You mean from the Bible? Yeah, 00:46:55.900 --> 00:46:58.559 everything is comically named and logoed. Apple 00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.159 is like a bite out of the apple of the Garden 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:03.820 of Eden. Amazon is a smirk and whatever. It's 00:47:03.820 --> 00:47:05.840 like if you wanted to create a sci -fi dystopian 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:07.840 novel where like – The Holocaust striped pajamas 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:13.980 on the Disney logo. The blue stripes. They retired 00:47:13.980 --> 00:47:18.239 that one. No, but yeah, back to Mike Huckabee. 00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:19.860 He was essentially making the argument the whole 00:47:19.860 --> 00:47:25.920 time that Israel had this ancient biblical right 00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.079 or whatever that the land was promised to them, 00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:31.579 even though, yeah, it's like, well, we can just 00:47:31.579 --> 00:47:33.340 name our country Israel, like you said, and then 00:47:33.340 --> 00:47:35.389 we'll have that biblical right. But then at one 00:47:35.389 --> 00:47:37.829 point, Tucker pushes him so hard in regards to 00:47:37.829 --> 00:47:40.030 another people, like a Palestinian or someone 00:47:40.030 --> 00:47:42.989 else, or the Irish or something, or being like, 00:47:43.110 --> 00:47:45.489 do they have the right to their land? And then 00:47:45.489 --> 00:47:47.289 he says, well, if they can defend it. And he's 00:47:47.289 --> 00:47:48.909 like, what do you mean? If they can defend it? 00:47:48.949 --> 00:47:52.090 You just said that they have a right to this 00:47:52.090 --> 00:47:54.989 land, regardless of whether they can defend it. 00:47:55.050 --> 00:47:56.530 So some people have to defend their land, and 00:47:56.530 --> 00:47:57.909 some people just have rights to it. You know 00:47:57.909 --> 00:48:00.320 what I mean? But I don't know if Mike Huckabee 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:03.480 is wrong. I kind of think the reality is actually 00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:06.239 the borders and countries, like all these nation 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.420 states, peoples, it literally is about whether 00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:12.699 or not you can defend it. That kind of is the 00:48:12.699 --> 00:48:15.199 only thing. It's the rule of the – that's pond 00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.659 rules. Yeah, it's pond rules. Like that's the 00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:21.179 last – We're all in this together. Don't worry. 00:48:21.380 --> 00:48:23.719 Just like – But like, I'll kill you if you come 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:26.400 over here. So the pond rules are our society 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.460 and all the rules and laws that are just like, 00:48:28.460 --> 00:48:32.840 don't make any sense are contradictory. Yeah. 00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:35.280 And I think that, yeah, this movie is accepting 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.739 that kind of concept. I think it's postmodern. 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:42.239 Like, yeah, but I do think there is no good or 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.539 bad and there is no morality and there is no 00:48:45.539 --> 00:48:48.780 anything really. It's just sort of, they come 00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:51.539 up with a word called pond rules, you know? Yeah. 00:48:52.019 --> 00:48:55.039 And I do think it is interesting that the city 00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:57.099 is not explored very much, but I do think it's 00:48:57.099 --> 00:48:58.559 interesting that everything you see from the 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.480 city is that, like, this is a unified people. 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.619 The city is unified, and they're not infighting, 00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:06.940 even though they're all diverse. But the animal 00:49:06.940 --> 00:49:10.639 world is all fighting, you know. But they still 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:11.960 have politics. That's the thing. It's like it's 00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:13.880 not just pawn rules, man. There is that council. 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:15.880 Like, there is politics. There's, like, a leader 00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:21.320 to every kingdom. Pawn rules are the kings. King 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.500 George's thing. Yeah, sure. It's not about, it's 00:49:24.500 --> 00:49:27.159 not about like the, the, the entire world. It's 00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:29.199 like just the pond, like that they've all had 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.480 to move to. And he's the king of the mammals, 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:33.059 but he's thinking of the mammals at that pond 00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:34.699 because the mammals can't exist anywhere else. 00:49:34.699 --> 00:49:35.940 Cause the people have taken everywhere else. 00:49:36.380 --> 00:49:39.179 Yeah. I was under the impression that that council 00:49:39.179 --> 00:49:40.980 was bigger than that pond. Like that council 00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:44.360 doesn't live there at the pond. No, I know. I 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.409 know. But I think all the mammals are there. 00:49:46.469 --> 00:49:48.010 And, like, the birds get involved and they pull 00:49:48.010 --> 00:49:49.630 a shark out of the water, which is, like, the 00:49:49.630 --> 00:49:52.230 biggest apex. Like, they make the world feel 00:49:52.230 --> 00:49:55.150 really small as if, like, all the kings of the 00:49:55.150 --> 00:49:58.210 animal kingdom come into one place of the entire 00:49:58.210 --> 00:50:01.110 planet. Like, yeah. That's why, like, the human 00:50:01.110 --> 00:50:03.829 king can be a mayor of a town and stuff. I think 00:50:03.829 --> 00:50:06.570 we have to assume that this is a smaller kingdom. 00:50:08.030 --> 00:50:10.489 But, like, it's not the whole world. I'm pretty 00:50:10.489 --> 00:50:12.889 sure George is king of the humans, too. When 00:50:12.889 --> 00:50:14.750 it comes to the science fiction elements of this 00:50:14.750 --> 00:50:16.369 and the world -building elements, I think it 00:50:16.369 --> 00:50:20.769 is a bit thin. Well, I just mean, I think the 00:50:20.769 --> 00:50:24.389 fact that the rulers are literally designated 00:50:24.389 --> 00:50:27.670 by little crowns and that the beaver is the king 00:50:27.670 --> 00:50:32.150 of the mammals, he's the king of that pond and 00:50:32.150 --> 00:50:34.230 he's the king of the mammals for some reason. 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.900 Right. And it seems like, but it seems like he's 00:50:37.900 --> 00:50:39.860 like the weakest rung on the totem pole when 00:50:39.860 --> 00:50:43.019 it comes to the council. Like the butterfly is 00:50:43.019 --> 00:50:45.039 the one who's speaking the most. That's because 00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:48.119 he doesn't believe in violence. Yeah. But, um, 00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:51.000 they're not exactly advocating violence either. 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.139 The insects are in control of that council. You 00:50:53.139 --> 00:50:58.920 know why? Why? They're very brutal. I wanted 00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:02.690 to be the first insect politician. It is really 00:51:02.690 --> 00:51:06.309 funny that the insects get outed as being, like, 00:51:06.389 --> 00:51:11.150 the more nefarious group for some reason. And 00:51:11.150 --> 00:51:13.849 we're okay with killing them. I think part of 00:51:13.849 --> 00:51:16.429 it's because, like, we are, as humans, okay with 00:51:16.429 --> 00:51:18.969 killing them, at least in the Western world that 00:51:18.969 --> 00:51:22.869 this movie is coming out in. And so they decided 00:51:22.869 --> 00:51:25.809 that was okay in a way that, like, yeah, obviously 00:51:25.809 --> 00:51:28.949 if, like, our main character, like, killed a 00:51:28.949 --> 00:51:33.639 dog. Or, like, you know, a deer or, you know, 00:51:33.699 --> 00:51:37.800 a fish even. Like, we would feel bad. Well, it's 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.840 funny about it because Mabel is a human. And 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.820 it is, like, she kills her because it's, like, 00:51:42.820 --> 00:51:45.880 a reflex. It's not even, like, it's literally, 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.719 like, George Clooney shooting Brad Pitt in Burn 00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:51.579 After Reading or whatever. Like, it's just kind 00:51:51.579 --> 00:51:54.260 of, like, it's just, like, a reflex. And she's, 00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:55.900 like, didn't even think twice about it and, like, 00:51:55.900 --> 00:51:58.219 only realizes what happens, like, after she did 00:51:58.219 --> 00:52:01.650 it and whatever. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. And 00:52:01.650 --> 00:52:03.909 she does it out of being scared, essentially. 00:52:04.469 --> 00:52:06.809 But it did also, I'll tell you, it also did resonate 00:52:06.809 --> 00:52:10.610 to me right now with our war with Iran to kind 00:52:10.610 --> 00:52:13.409 of have like this thing of like, oh, shit. So 00:52:13.409 --> 00:52:16.710 now the insects are led by a guy whose mom we 00:52:16.710 --> 00:52:19.690 just killed in front of him. And then we're like, 00:52:19.809 --> 00:52:22.769 oops, sorry, guys. Like, you know what I mean? 00:52:23.690 --> 00:52:26.739 Yeah. But honestly, I think like. what you were 00:52:26.739 --> 00:52:28.159 saying before that you could just completely 00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.679 reverse the roles makes a lot of sense too, because 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.179 if you think about what, everything that's happened 00:52:33.179 --> 00:52:36.739 with Iran right now, like, let's just say the 00:52:36.739 --> 00:52:40.659 butterfly queen is Trump. Like, let's say that, 00:52:40.699 --> 00:52:44.699 you know, the insects have like dominance and 00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:46.940 the larger population, they have control over 00:52:46.940 --> 00:52:49.599 more of the ecosystem. So they get to call the 00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.519 shots and the other ones are kind of like deferring 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:58.000 to her. And then Mabel, is like coming in there 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:04.960 to beg Trump to attack Iran, which is the human 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:09.039 city. Um, that is like, which is, which is encroaching 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:13.099 a little bit on Israel, right? Like, I guess, 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:14.880 but like not, I mean, they're not literally doing 00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.380 that, but like Israel always greater Israel project. 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:19.880 It's encroaching on, yeah, there's still other 00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:21.940 living people in the middle East and that's a 00:53:21.940 --> 00:53:24.360 problem for Israel. Right. So, yeah, exactly. 00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:27.119 Iran is just the first domino that has to fall. 00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.340 But yeah, we don't even know if Netanyahu is 00:53:30.340 --> 00:53:33.420 alive. And he doesn't have a double going around 00:53:33.420 --> 00:53:35.880 with the mask. They just did some AI videos that 00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:39.619 Google and Instagram are saying were confirmed 00:53:39.619 --> 00:53:42.519 real videos. But that does not seem very legit. 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:45.480 So yeah, all truth and reality is broken down. 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:48.539 And I do think that is all reflected in this 00:53:48.539 --> 00:53:50.199 movie. The other thing I thought was really interesting 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.789 is I think this is the movie. that like really 00:53:52.789 --> 00:53:57.889 tongue in cheek leans into grand Pixar theory 00:53:57.889 --> 00:54:01.849 stuff. Like, did you notice the board? Did you 00:54:01.849 --> 00:54:04.789 notice the board? Of course. Yeah. Yeah. So this 00:54:04.789 --> 00:54:07.349 device explains how you put a human mind into 00:54:07.349 --> 00:54:10.409 a car, how you put a human mind into a toy, how 00:54:10.409 --> 00:54:12.170 you put a human mind, you know, whatever. Like 00:54:12.170 --> 00:54:14.409 it's, and I think it's all just a joke. Like, 00:54:14.469 --> 00:54:16.630 I think they're playing with that joke of conspiracy 00:54:16.630 --> 00:54:19.090 and connecting all these things and how it's 00:54:19.090 --> 00:54:21.300 not, it's meaningless. Like how that's. None 00:54:21.300 --> 00:54:23.840 of that is, like, actually there. But, like, 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:26.599 I feel like the majority of videos that are going 00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:30.500 to get made about hoppers or Pixar. It's going 00:54:30.500 --> 00:54:32.280 to be about, like, how many references there 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:33.980 were. Because there are a lot of other references, 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.380 too. There were so many references in this one, 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:40.010 dude. Like, it was insane. And I was like, but 00:54:40.010 --> 00:54:41.650 that's also like that's the thing. This is what 00:54:41.650 --> 00:54:43.809 this movie is working with. It's working with 00:54:43.809 --> 00:54:46.070 the super diverse crowds and the female main 00:54:46.070 --> 00:54:49.130 character and the evil white man. And it's doing 00:54:49.130 --> 00:54:51.789 all of these like references to other Pixar movies 00:54:51.789 --> 00:54:54.110 and stuff. So it's like it's it's all of the 00:54:54.110 --> 00:54:59.110 things that are like a problem in the, you know, 00:54:59.110 --> 00:55:03.650 Gen Z Pixar era. But I think that he uses all 00:55:03.650 --> 00:55:06.820 those to a good. purpose like i i don't i like 00:55:06.820 --> 00:55:09.079 the main character i don't care that that crowd 00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:11.679 is like ridiculously diverse like it doesn't 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.670 that's just like it's fine um i don't care there's 00:55:14.670 --> 00:55:16.750 no white men in the movie except for the one 00:55:16.750 --> 00:55:19.929 bad guy like i like you know what i mean like 00:55:19.929 --> 00:55:21.909 all these things like it's it's fine you have 00:55:21.909 --> 00:55:24.869 to do this to make it a pixar movie do that and 00:55:24.869 --> 00:55:27.329 like that will make it successful so that hopefully 00:55:27.329 --> 00:55:30.329 we can then make it fun too or like you know 00:55:30.329 --> 00:55:31.989 what i mean which i think really feels like the 00:55:31.989 --> 00:55:34.349 focus of the movie is just like kind of let's 00:55:34.349 --> 00:55:37.429 try and make a fun one that doesn't like suck 00:55:38.929 --> 00:55:42.250 There's been so much just like boring Pixar garbage. 00:55:42.309 --> 00:55:46.409 It's way more than just trying to have fun. I 00:55:46.409 --> 00:55:49.150 don't know. But it was fun. I thought it was 00:55:49.150 --> 00:55:52.630 a pretty fun movie. Yeah. I don't know. It was 00:55:52.630 --> 00:55:57.369 very funny, I think, in a way that I've missed. 00:55:57.389 --> 00:55:59.170 I mostly agree. And I guess, yeah, there was 00:55:59.170 --> 00:56:02.769 a lot of humor in Turning Red, too, but I just 00:56:02.769 --> 00:56:05.789 think it was so overshadowed by its like wall 00:56:05.789 --> 00:56:12.250 -to -wall pedophilia. I only saw Turning Red 00:56:12.250 --> 00:56:16.269 once, and I forgot most of it after watching 00:56:16.269 --> 00:56:17.929 it. That one just didn't really stick with me. 00:56:17.989 --> 00:56:19.190 I didn't really have a lot of feelings about 00:56:19.190 --> 00:56:21.429 it. Literally, I just kind of felt like, well, 00:56:21.449 --> 00:56:24.789 that one was not for me. This one's for little 00:56:24.789 --> 00:56:28.150 girls, little Zoomer girls. It's just a different 00:56:28.150 --> 00:56:32.030 time. I think everything you said is legit about 00:56:32.030 --> 00:56:35.530 it. There's something weird about it. these other 00:56:35.530 --> 00:56:38.010 movies just continue to reinforce that view of 00:56:38.010 --> 00:56:41.050 that movie because like everything. And honestly, 00:56:41.230 --> 00:56:43.469 I feel like hoppers in a way is almost like addressing 00:56:43.469 --> 00:56:46.590 this. Like it's almost addressing the weird, 00:56:46.690 --> 00:56:51.130 messy, creepy, like psyoppy nature of all the 00:56:51.130 --> 00:56:52.969 movies, but like doing it in a way that actually 00:56:52.969 --> 00:56:55.190 feels self conscious for once. And like, it's 00:56:55.190 --> 00:56:58.750 actually doing that on purpose instead of it 00:56:58.750 --> 00:57:02.840 being like, a weird problematic decision that 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:04.860 they didn't think through or whatever. Right. 00:57:04.980 --> 00:57:06.860 Like they, they, like they thought through the 00:57:06.860 --> 00:57:08.619 decision to have the speakers with the audio 00:57:08.619 --> 00:57:13.239 warfare, like the colonization metaphors or like 00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:17.539 the idea of killing the matriarch and like the 00:57:17.539 --> 00:57:21.719 traumas of war and tit for tat warfare and whatever, 00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:23.559 you know what I mean? Like, like it's a clear 00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:25.099 that all these things were thought about and 00:57:25.099 --> 00:57:27.559 like put in the movie on purpose and then made 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:31.320 like ambiguous and interesting. Cause like we've 00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:33.079 originally John Hamm's character was wearing 00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:35.599 a star of David the whole time. And they took 00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:40.280 that out to me. He is a blue and white. Yeah. 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:43.219 Yeah. Um, but yeah, we've, we've gone over an 00:57:43.219 --> 00:57:45.719 hour, man. Like, uh, this was an interesting 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:47.980 Pixar movie. The only other, the only other thing 00:57:47.980 --> 00:57:51.340 I wanted to chat about was, uh, before the movie, 00:57:51.340 --> 00:57:53.440 I saw the trailer for toy story five. Have you 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:58.280 watched this yet? I did just watch it. Um, any 00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:02.039 thoughts? Before we close. I gotta tell you, 00:58:02.059 --> 00:58:05.440 I was really disappointed about one thing. They 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:09.880 really sidelined my favorite character. Bo Peep. 00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:17.119 How it's very clear that he's just going to be 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.280 pulled back into their adventure and she's not 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:23.659 coming with him. I actually was like, wait, was 00:58:23.659 --> 00:58:28.800 Bo Peep not even in that trailer at all? She 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.619 was in one shot. She's in one shot from behind. 00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.500 You see over her shoulder in one shot. I love 00:58:35.500 --> 00:58:37.260 it, dude. This movie will make me happy. Where 00:58:37.260 --> 00:58:38.840 it's like, oh, I guess he's out there with Bo 00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:39.980 Peep at the beginning of the movie and he has 00:58:39.980 --> 00:58:41.480 to come back. This movie will make me really 00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:43.840 happy. I hope he comes back and says, bitch was 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:45.539 crazy, just like we said he would. Because that's 00:58:45.539 --> 00:58:47.800 what it fucking looks like, man. It looks like 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:50.699 he's called back in. And it looks like Jesse 00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:53.659 has the main character energy now. Yeah. Yeah. 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:56.260 Maybe. It looks like Jesse has the main character 00:58:56.260 --> 00:58:59.300 energy and she has to call Woody back. I like 00:58:59.300 --> 00:59:03.000 the idea that Jesse runs the room and not Dolly 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:05.099 too, right? It feels like they're going to just 00:59:05.099 --> 00:59:08.719 erase Toy Story 4 in a lot of ways. It really 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:10.840 looks like an eraser of Toy Story 4 trailer, 00:59:11.059 --> 00:59:13.400 which made me happy. I think the plot that it's 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:17.019 doing is the only plot that it could do at this 00:59:17.019 --> 00:59:19.539 point. And it seems to be doing it pretty on 00:59:19.539 --> 00:59:22.559 the nose, which could suck or could be good. 00:59:22.619 --> 00:59:26.059 I have no idea. But I'll tell you, erasing Toy 00:59:26.059 --> 00:59:29.760 Story 4 really gives me some hope. That's all. 00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:34.239 It made me feel good that there was no Bo Peep. 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.480 Even if Toy Story 5 is good, the trilogy is the 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:40.360 trilogy. Oh, of course. And there can still just 00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:43.500 be an entertaining Toy Story movie every once 00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:45.099 in a while because they've already broken it. 00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:47.920 And so it's like, whatever, man. I'm looking 00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:50.019 forward to it, honestly. And I like the idea 00:59:50.019 --> 00:59:52.000 of tech being the bad guy at this time. I think 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:53.699 this is just the thing kids need to hear. I think 00:59:53.699 --> 00:59:55.980 it's coming too late. I think this idea would 00:59:55.980 --> 00:59:59.699 have been actually well -timed if it came out 00:59:59.699 --> 01:00:02.360 when Toy Story 4 did. Right. That's when this 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:05.280 needed to happen. But they needed to take a while 01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.840 for the girls to have their rise and fall. Yeah. 01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:13.239 And as long as the ending isn't some kind of 01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:18.760 way to... justify tech or they come together 01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:21.780 or whatever like i would really like it if uh 01:00:21.780 --> 01:00:24.579 woody and buzz just like broke that screen like 01:00:24.579 --> 01:00:27.559 burning down silicon valley yeah just like breaking 01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:30.920 that screen man you know maybe they will break 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:33.239 the screen that gets replaced that's the other 01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.139 funny thing it's here is like maybe that happens 01:00:35.139 --> 01:00:37.019 in the movie but like tech can be replaced in 01:00:37.019 --> 01:00:40.599 a way that those those toys can't maybe buzz 01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:42.519 can be replaced but woody can't be replaced as 01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:45.010 easily and whatever Unless you go to Japan. I 01:00:45.010 --> 01:00:46.630 like that he's bald and wearing a poncho. He 01:00:46.630 --> 01:00:49.010 has kind of a Clint Eastwood thing going. Man 01:00:49.010 --> 01:00:51.449 with no name. And, yeah, I mean, a few lines 01:00:51.449 --> 01:00:53.030 in the trailer. I mean, I liked the Woody line 01:00:53.030 --> 01:00:55.269 about, like, you know, toys are for playing, 01:00:55.309 --> 01:00:57.730 but tech's for everything. And the thing, like, 01:00:57.809 --> 01:00:59.269 I'm glad they're fighting again at the end of 01:00:59.269 --> 01:01:00.530 the trailer. It's like, oh, you're going to bring 01:01:00.530 --> 01:01:02.869 back some of the Woody -Buzz rivalry kind of 01:01:02.869 --> 01:01:06.510 dynamics? Okay. That'll be nostalgic. We'll see. 01:01:06.849 --> 01:01:10.070 We'll see. You know, I don't have high hopes, 01:01:10.170 --> 01:01:13.210 really, but... I don't really. I do feel like 01:01:13.210 --> 01:01:17.030 it seems like a different era. This movie and 01:01:17.030 --> 01:01:22.150 that trailer seem to me to be not from the same, 01:01:22.150 --> 01:01:24.849 I don't know, coup that took over after they 01:01:24.849 --> 01:01:29.170 kicked out Lasseter. It seems to be kind of that 01:01:29.170 --> 01:01:32.909 kingdom rose and fell and now we're on. This 01:01:32.909 --> 01:01:36.269 movie didn't have to tell us any sort of message 01:01:36.269 --> 01:01:39.909 about. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's using 01:01:39.909 --> 01:01:41.590 the diverse crowds, it's using the things, but 01:01:41.590 --> 01:01:45.110 it doesn't really matter. It's like, okay, well, 01:01:45.130 --> 01:01:48.070 that's just the language we use. I don't know. 01:01:49.309 --> 01:01:51.050 You know what I mean? It wasn't annoying and 01:01:51.050 --> 01:01:54.389 preachy in that way. No, man. But largely because 01:01:54.389 --> 01:01:58.789 it was either fascist or confused. Yeah, I mean, 01:01:58.829 --> 01:02:00.610 I'm still confused about it, but I think that's 01:02:00.610 --> 01:02:03.010 going to make it fun to talk about and more interesting 01:02:03.010 --> 01:02:06.460 in the years to come. most of these other ones 01:02:06.460 --> 01:02:09.360 that have come out so an elio yeah so it's interesting 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.119 it's like you know this we called this elemental 01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.699 we called this the fall of pixar um but hoppers 01:02:14.699 --> 01:02:18.920 like you know maybe maybe god willing it's the 01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:22.280 beginning of a better age of pixar although the 01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.000 slate is looking pretty disappointing right now 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:27.460 because it's basically all sequels except for 01:02:27.460 --> 01:02:30.360 got to it may not be a new era we'll see maybe 01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:33.019 the final you know death but like i'm still down 01:02:33.019 --> 01:02:35.260 for incredibles 3 Oh, yeah, of course. Well, 01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:37.179 you know, Brad Bird can do whatever he wants. 01:02:37.340 --> 01:02:41.599 Yeah, yeah. I'll go see it. But I don't know, 01:02:41.619 --> 01:02:43.920 man. Would you say that's that, Mattress Man? 01:02:45.940 --> 01:03:16.849 That's that. Thank you.