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Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills

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to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.

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As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.

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When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find

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that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research

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program.

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Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.

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However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs.

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For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians

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the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.

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Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.

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Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast.

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I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is an absolute pleasure to be talking with you today.

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Thank you so much for tuning in.

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I want to bring you this episode today about making the most out of conferences that you

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attend.

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And I will say that this comes to me from the last few days where I've been attending

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a conference, which has been really intense, really fun, really deeply educational.

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So much was learned.

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I feel like my life has changed as a result of attending this conference.

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And I know it has, right?

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I know it has, even when I don't feel like it has.

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Every time you do something for yourself and you take time away to invest in yourself,

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there's always a transformation, even when you can't feel it.

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Even when it feels like, oh, there we go, we did another conference.

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The reality is that your life is changing.

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So this has been a phenomenal conference.

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And yes, just to be specific, it's not an academic conference.

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It's a conference that I attended as kind of like a life development type conference.

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And it was just phenomenal.

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Anyway, so of course, conferences are on my mind.

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And I think about, wait a minute, how do you maximize the value that you get out of attending

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a conference?

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Because sometimes it can feel like it's just the norm.

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We attend conferences and whatever happens.

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I have to travel, oh my gosh, or not travel.

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But there's room to really create out of conferences the experience that you want.

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And so I want to share a little bit about how do you maximize the value that you receive

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from a conference so that you don't feel like you are just attending.

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You know that it actually is serving you.

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Because when your life is changing, but you are not aware that it's changing, then is

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it really changing?

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And part of the power of change or transformation is when you realize transformation is happening.

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And so how do you really capture the transformation that's happening so that you can channel it

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in a way that actually improves your experience?

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So the first thing is that if you're going to go for a conference, you really want to

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create space to attend.

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Now what does that mean?

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I mean, you're leaving home and you're traveling and you're going somewhere for the conference.

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But it's like, are you creating space to attend?

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Like sometimes, and I will say this is my experience, sometimes I've attended a conference

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where I've taken my whole family to the conference and I'm distracted because on the one hand,

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they're not part of the conference and I am.

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So here I am trying to attend the conference, but also trying to manage their needs and

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responsibilities.

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That is distracting.

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And I will say that I don't fully get the benefit of actually being at the conference

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or the full benefit of actually hanging out with them because my mind is divided and split.

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I'm like, yeah, I'm going to give a talk at four, I'll see you at five.

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So that's one example.

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However, there are conferences in this particular conference.

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We all went, it was a conference we all attended.

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And so there are opportunities that you do get to do that.

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And so we're all attending, we all have different things that we're participating in.

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As part of this conference, it feels like we're all kind of, I'm able to be engaged,

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where it doesn't feel like I'm splitting my time and attention, but creating space for

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a conference depends on the kind of conference, but it's like you're actually making time

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to do it, where you're able to fully engage in all the benefits of the conference.

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And what are the benefits of conferences?

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So I think I've talked about this in a prior episode where it's like the benefit of the

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conference is not just all the things you learn.

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Definitely you should go to learn, but it's not just about learning.

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It's about the connections that you make as well.

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And it's about kind of the combination of information and connection that makes conferences

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really beautiful, really powerful.

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For whatever reason, they have staying power, right?

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Conferences have been around for a long time.

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They can continue to be around because they are really important, vital, and in-person

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conferences are going to continue to be around because the vitality of making amazing connections

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in person is still relevant and also learning in person is still relevant because of course

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you can do virtual learning, but there is something powerful about taking time away

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to really immerse yourself in a learning environment where you're able to learn new things and

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also make connections in the process of learning as well.

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And so conferences are really important.

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They're really great spaces.

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And if you're really going to maximize the benefit that you're getting out of them, you're

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really going to want to make sure you're creating space physically, mentally, and emotionally

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as well so that you can get the maximum benefit from the conference.

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So that's the first thing is to create space to actually attend and maximize your benefit

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from the conference.

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Number two is to have a plan.

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Now there are different kinds of conferences.

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For example, our annual meeting conference in the American Society of Kinoetology is

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huge.

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And you see how there are so many options as far as things to attend.

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And then there are smaller conferences for me, that's Team Station and Therumbosis Research

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Society where there is a limited number of things that you can attend.

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There are not that many simultaneous sessions where you're attending more than one at the

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same time or where there are conflicts and you're like, well, I have to attend this one,

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but I can't go to that one.

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So there are smaller conferences where it's a little bit easier.

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Everything is more straightforward because there's not that much to plan.

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And then there are conferences that are smaller still where it's like there are just a couple

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of sessions.

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And so it depends on the conference.

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But for the most part, you can still plan.

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It may make more sense to really sit down and do some planning for a huge conference

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like the American Society of Kinoetology conference where you have to plan which sessions you're

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going to miss, which sessions you're going to catch later on the recorded sessions.

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You really, really have to plan if you're going to be successful.

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But in general, you're going to want to plan because you want to make sure that you maximize

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your investment.

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Presumably you paid for this conference or even if you haven't, you've taken time off

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work or you've made an investment and actually paid to travel to the location of the conference.

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So an investment of time and resources has been made in this conference.

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You really want to make sure that you maximize it.

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And part of that is planning, what do I want to get out of this?

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Where do I need to show up so I can get what I need?

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Now you're thinking also you want to plan what sessions you attend so that you can learn.

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But it's also you want to plan what opportunities you have to connect with people so that you

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can maximize the value of connections with people as part of what you get out of the

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conference.

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So you want to make sure that you have a plan for where you're going to be, where you're

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going to go, what you're going to learn, but also who you're going to meet.

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Have a plan.

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Now here's the thing about plans.

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The beautiful thing about plans is that the value is in the planning, not necessarily

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in the plans themselves.

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And so you may ultimately say, oh, I made all these plans and now I'm throwing away

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all my plans.

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Because the value of the plan is that you've been thoughtful rather than that you have

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a plan because your plan may need to change and it's okay.

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Your job is to be flexible with your plans, not to feel like you are committed to this

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plan no matter come hell or high water, I'm committed to these plans.

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Now the purpose of the plans is to allow you to be thoughtful and reflective about how

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you want to move forward.

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It's not so that you become a slave to the plans and are not able to adjust them.

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So yes, have a plan for what you will attend and also have a plan for what you're not going

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to attend.

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And this is important because sometimes it can be overwhelming and you feel like you

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need to be everywhere, but you don't.

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Have a plan for the things you're saying, I'm not going to this.

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So it's very clear when your best friend shows up and says, hey, can we go to this?

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You're like, oh, I already decided I'm not going to this one, but let's meet at the end.

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So you are able to be very clear upfront when you're sober and intentional about what you're

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going to be at and what you're not going to be at.

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So have a plan.

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Number three is that you want to create space, rest and reflection.

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So you're attending this conference or back to back to back sessions and this dinner,

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that dinner, this meeting, that meeting, and they are all great, but there really does

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need to be space for you to unwind and reflect on what you're learning and make the connections

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that or at least follow up the connections that you've made.

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There is need for rest and reflection.

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And part of that is to consolidate what you're learning is to consolidate the experience

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because have you ever been to a conference where it feels like a blur?

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You move from one conference and then you come back into the next thing, into the next

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thing and then it's like, wait a minute, what did I even learn?

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What came out of that conference for me?

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And so you want to, even in the midst of the conference, have space to see how the conference

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is benefiting you, have space to recognize the connections you've made, have space to

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follow up those connections that you've made.

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So you want to please do what you can to create white space within conferences.

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One of the ways I do that is to go to most conferences really without my family so that

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there is space for me to make the connections that are needed without feeling like I need

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to go and attend to their needs.

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And then to come back from the conference, just be by myself where I unwind and rest

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and get an extended nap or sleep in in the mornings.

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But it's important to create space to rest within the extended and busy time of a conference.

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Then what you also want to do, number four, is to create space to be with people.

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Create space for people.

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Some of the most amazing things that come out of conferences is just the ability to

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connect with other people, the ability for people to get together and say, hey, let's

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just have time to sit and chat.

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And it's like, oh wait, the next session is starting in 10 minutes.

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I don't have 10 minutes, but you do.

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The sessions can always be caught.

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The knowledge in the session can always come to you in a different way.

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But the connections you make with people are really serendipitous and they don't always

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come back.

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So recognize the opportunity of people.

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Recognize that people, most of the time, actually, to be honest, all the time will matter more

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than content.

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I just want to say that one more time.

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Most of the time, and I would dare say 100% of the time, people matter more than content.

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So where you're like, OK, should I choose between making a connection with this new

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person who sounds interesting and exciting versus going to the session so I can get some

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content?

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Always choose the connection with people.

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You will always win.

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Content you can get later.

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You can get a different format.

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You can pay for it and get the on-demand view and revisit it again.

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But connections are valuable.

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Connections are time sensitive.

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Connections are just kind of unique and they're opportunities that come and go.

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So create space in your schedule for people and be ready to shift things so that you can

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accommodate connections with people.

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And by connections, I'm not just talking about networking, though.

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That almost sometimes sounds like a bad word, like networking.

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Oh, no, I have to do that.

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Which is recognizing when you see your old friend from med school, your old friend from

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residency and you're like, oh my gosh, I haven't seen you in a long time.

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What's going on?

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And you sit and you count up, right?

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That's not scary.

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That's pretty straightforward.

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But it's like, do you have space within your schedule to be able to take advantage of that

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opportunity of people you haven't seen for a long time?

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Or are you too scheduled?

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Where it's like, I wish I could talk to you, but I have this meeting with this pharmacy

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representative that I need to go to.

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I'm so sorry I can't talk to you.

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You want to make sure that you're creating enough space in your schedule so that when

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the opportunity comes to connect with a long lost friend or to make a connection with someone

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new that you're able to do that.

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So number four is create space for connecting with people.

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Number five is follow up.

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You've made all these great connections.

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You've learned these great things.

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And now it's time to follow up.

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Say to someone, hey, we met at the conference three weeks ago.

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Thanks for your thoughts about XYZ.

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And I would love to stay connected and can we blah, blah, blah.

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So you want to make sure that you close the loop on those conversations that you had.

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And sometimes you may look back and say, oh, there was a slope I wish I had closed, but

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that was three months ago.

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It's now too late.

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Can I just tell you that it's never too late to close the loop?

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It's never too late to reconnect with someone.

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It's never too late to say, hey, we met and I just want to say hello.

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It's just never too late.

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And one of the beautiful, beautiful things about humans is that we love connection.

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We love connecting with people and we certainly love to connect with people who remember us.

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So generally you want to follow up and especially you want to follow up the connections that

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you've made with people.

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You want to follow up the knowledge that you've learned as well so that you can consolidate

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it.

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You want to read your notes, maybe rewatch the session, but what you want to do is make

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sure that you can come back and consolidate all that beautiful knowledge that you acquired

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or consolidate those relationships that started or collaborations that started or new ideas

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that was sparked.

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You want to go back and you want to follow up on those.

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Okay.

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So that was a short one, five things.

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Create space to attend the conference.

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Have a plan for what you need to attend and what you will sit out.

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Create plenty, but number three, create plenty of white space for rest and reflection.

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Number four, also create space for connecting with people.

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And number five, follow up.

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Follow up with people.

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Follow up with what you've learned.

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All right.

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It's been a pleasure talking with you today.

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Thank you so much for tuning in and I look forward to talking with you again next time

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on the Clinician Researcher podcast.

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Have a great day.

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