1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,860 Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills 2 00:00:05,860 --> 00:00:11,260 to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor. 3 00:00:11,260 --> 00:00:17,340 As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients. 4 00:00:17,340 --> 00:00:22,380 When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find 5 00:00:22,380 --> 00:00:27,780 that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research 6 00:00:27,780 --> 00:00:29,180 program. 7 00:00:29,180 --> 00:00:35,480 Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit. 8 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:40,580 However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs. 9 00:00:40,580 --> 00:00:46,200 For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,800 the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor. 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:01:01,020 Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene. 12 00:01:01,020 --> 00:01:04,180 Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast. 13 00:01:04,180 --> 00:01:08,860 I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is such a pleasure to be here today. 14 00:01:08,860 --> 00:01:15,440 I'm super, super excited about today's episode because we have two amazing, not one, but 15 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:22,460 two amazing librarians who are here to talk to us about how they support clinician researchers. 16 00:01:22,460 --> 00:01:28,300 I am so excited to talk with them, and without much further ado, because I want them to introduce 17 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:32,420 themselves, I want to go ahead and introduce to you Leila and Sarah. 18 00:01:32,420 --> 00:01:33,420 Welcome both of you. 19 00:01:33,420 --> 00:01:34,420 Hello. 20 00:01:34,420 --> 00:01:36,540 Thank you so much for having us. 21 00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:37,540 Hi, everybody. 22 00:01:37,540 --> 00:01:39,260 My name is Leila Ledbetter. 23 00:01:39,260 --> 00:01:45,460 I am one of the research and education librarians at the Medical Center Library and Archives. 24 00:01:45,460 --> 00:01:51,500 We'll talk a tiny, tiny bit about that here at the Duke Medical Center. 25 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:57,540 My personal role is I am a liaison, so sort of like the diplomat between the library and 26 00:01:57,540 --> 00:02:03,820 the Duke School of Nursing, but all of us librarians support across the population. 27 00:02:03,820 --> 00:02:09,720 So if you write in and ask a question as a clinician researcher, you may get me answering 28 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,820 your question, or you may get Sarah, or you may get one of our other lovely librarians. 29 00:02:14,820 --> 00:02:16,820 So I'll pass it off to Sarah. 30 00:02:16,820 --> 00:02:21,120 Thank you so much, Toyosi, for having us. 31 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:26,380 This is a real fun privilege for us. 32 00:02:26,380 --> 00:02:31,660 So I'm Sarah Cantrell, and I'm the associate director for research and education at the 33 00:02:31,660 --> 00:02:33,980 Medical Center Library and Archives. 34 00:02:33,980 --> 00:02:40,220 In this role, I'm responsible for developing, implementing, and evaluating the library's 35 00:02:40,220 --> 00:02:44,540 research and education programs and our services surrounding that. 36 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:50,100 I'm also the liaison to the graduate medical education program, so I specifically support 37 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:55,120 all of the interns, the residents, and trainees and fellows. 38 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:01,260 So in terms of my role in supporting clinician and clinical researchers, I'd say I provide 39 00:03:01,260 --> 00:03:07,860 significant support in the area of evidence-based practice, evidence synthesis, such as systematic 40 00:03:07,860 --> 00:03:12,540 reviews, as well as in research impact and publication tracking. 41 00:03:12,540 --> 00:03:17,340 I also teach a lot of skills to clinician researchers, such as comprehensive searching 42 00:03:17,340 --> 00:03:18,340 techniques. 43 00:03:18,340 --> 00:03:24,220 And I would also just want to add that our library as a whole provides services and the 44 00:03:24,220 --> 00:03:30,740 collections that are really necessary to further educational research, clinical and 45 00:03:30,740 --> 00:03:35,980 administrative activities throughout really your careers and in the biomedical field. 46 00:03:35,980 --> 00:03:36,980 Wow. 47 00:03:36,980 --> 00:03:40,220 Thank you both for introducing yourself. 48 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:45,120 So it's funny, I started out saying you're both librarians, which is really simplistic. 49 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,580 And I appreciate how you really fleshed it out to say, hey, yes, we're librarians, but 50 00:03:49,580 --> 00:03:53,460 look at how much we do, which is so awesome. 51 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:56,500 And so I want to thank you for introducing yourselves so extensively. 52 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:59,220 And I want to thank you for the work you do. 53 00:03:59,220 --> 00:04:04,060 And I'm hoping that today is the day that the audience gets to figure out how much value 54 00:04:04,060 --> 00:04:07,020 librarians can bring to their... 55 00:04:07,020 --> 00:04:11,180 Actually, to be honest, it sounds like you can help in so many ways, not just in clinical 56 00:04:11,180 --> 00:04:12,180 research. 57 00:04:12,180 --> 00:04:14,340 So I want to explore some of that today. 58 00:04:14,340 --> 00:04:21,000 So I think I will start by asking Sarah, what is the highest value you give to clinician 59 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,940 researchers who work with you? 60 00:04:22,940 --> 00:04:23,940 Sure. 61 00:04:23,940 --> 00:04:24,940 Sure. 62 00:04:24,940 --> 00:04:30,700 First, it's really hard to distill this to one single gift because the library, I think, 63 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:32,140 is a gift in and of itself. 64 00:04:32,140 --> 00:04:38,900 And the library has so many rich gifts in terms of collections and our research-focused services. 65 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:43,380 But ultimately, I am going to say it is our people. 66 00:04:43,380 --> 00:04:48,460 All library staff have deep expertise and knowledge in their content areas. 67 00:04:48,460 --> 00:04:53,060 And we all share really strong service mentality. 68 00:04:53,060 --> 00:04:57,020 librarians in particular within the research and education department who are really kind 69 00:04:57,020 --> 00:05:04,380 of our patron, forward-facing public services team, we really serve as research connectors 70 00:05:04,380 --> 00:05:06,060 and catalysts. 71 00:05:06,060 --> 00:05:12,460 I'd also add that our librarians are all highly trained, experienced professionals. 72 00:05:12,460 --> 00:05:14,560 We all have advanced degrees. 73 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,100 We have, you know, in terms of things that are going to be really useful to the clinician 74 00:05:19,100 --> 00:05:20,660 researcher and a gift. 75 00:05:20,660 --> 00:05:30,060 I think it's truly our strong command of advanced literature searching across dozens of biomedical 76 00:05:30,060 --> 00:05:31,420 databases. 77 00:05:31,420 --> 00:05:37,140 In addition, I know that people often will think of librarians and searching, but we 78 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:38,140 do more than that. 79 00:05:38,140 --> 00:05:42,300 We have a new data management program. 80 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:50,380 And within this, we're really providing support and guidance and training around the new NIH 81 00:05:50,380 --> 00:05:56,940 data management and sharing policy requirements that is really a mandate from the NIH that 82 00:05:56,940 --> 00:05:59,900 will affect anybody with NIH funding. 83 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:05,700 And that service there is helpful if this is your first time having to put together 84 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:08,540 something like a data management plan. 85 00:06:08,540 --> 00:06:12,020 So that's the sort of guidance that we can help you with. 86 00:06:12,020 --> 00:06:15,040 What does a good data management plan look like? 87 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,460 What repository should I be considering for my data? 88 00:06:19,460 --> 00:06:25,060 And along those lines again of NIH funding, we're also providing support with the NIH 89 00:06:25,060 --> 00:06:31,420 public access policy and compliance around that mandate as well. 90 00:06:31,420 --> 00:06:39,180 Additionally, we're really offering researchers the tools that are needed to take control 91 00:06:39,180 --> 00:06:43,780 of their scholarly profiles, their publication history. 92 00:06:43,780 --> 00:06:48,260 We want you to be able to evaluate your personal research impact. 93 00:06:48,260 --> 00:06:53,220 If you're working with collaborators to evaluate the research impact of that team or how people 94 00:06:53,220 --> 00:06:59,140 are collaborating together or who at Duke is working on a certain topic. 95 00:06:59,140 --> 00:07:03,860 And we also offer a lot of scholarly communication expertise. 96 00:07:03,860 --> 00:07:09,940 And I know that phrase might be odd or new scholarly communication, but it's really that 97 00:07:09,940 --> 00:07:15,500 whole business and process of manuscript writing and getting your work published. 98 00:07:15,500 --> 00:07:19,860 And there's so many different interesting things surrounding that like open access. 99 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:23,420 So we're able to provide a lot of support in that open access realm. 100 00:07:23,420 --> 00:07:26,460 Like should I be publishing open access? 101 00:07:26,460 --> 00:07:27,460 Like I don't understand. 102 00:07:27,460 --> 00:07:31,500 This journal has a traditional model and this open access model. 103 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:35,500 Is this open access journal potentially predatory, quote unquote? 104 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:37,740 So we can provide a lot of help there. 105 00:07:37,740 --> 00:07:43,540 And I know I'm taking a little bit of time here, but I do think that when people think 106 00:07:43,540 --> 00:07:46,140 of libraries, they think of collections, right? 107 00:07:46,140 --> 00:07:51,900 Deep rich biomedical collections, such as those journals that are so important to you 108 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:57,300 and your research and the biomedical databases that are connecting you to different articles 109 00:07:57,300 --> 00:07:58,300 and resources. 110 00:07:58,300 --> 00:08:04,540 You know, we have these things, but we also have a medical center archives and that archives 111 00:08:04,540 --> 00:08:07,640 collects the important histories of Duke health. 112 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,100 That includes faculty, staff, students, organizations. 113 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:15,500 We have some papers of our Nobel laureates. 114 00:08:15,500 --> 00:08:19,960 We have, you know, we're processing right now this collection that is really the history 115 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,700 of the rice diet. 116 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:26,540 So there's lots of gems and things to uncover and discover there as well. 117 00:08:26,540 --> 00:08:29,940 And librarians and archivists who can help you with that. 118 00:08:29,940 --> 00:08:35,720 But ultimately our gift is truly our people, the people who are enabling access to these 119 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:42,340 collections who are making sure that things are running well for you, who educate you 120 00:08:42,340 --> 00:08:50,140 in how to best use these tools to be knowledgeable consumers of information and really are strong 121 00:08:50,140 --> 00:08:54,700 expertise in evidence synthesis, research impact and data management. 122 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:57,860 Whoa, thank you. 123 00:08:57,860 --> 00:09:03,500 We do so much stuff that was like I'm ticking in my head all the things that we're probably 124 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:04,500 forgetting. 125 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:05,500 Right. 126 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:08,860 So what's the central point of information processing? 127 00:09:08,860 --> 00:09:10,340 It is super awesome. 128 00:09:10,340 --> 00:09:13,340 You know, it's funny as you're going through that list, I'm like, Oh my goodness, I'm not 129 00:09:13,340 --> 00:09:18,020 even getting the most out of you. 130 00:09:18,020 --> 00:09:22,460 But this is really awesome because what I'm hearing, you know, so there's the sense of 131 00:09:22,460 --> 00:09:27,340 at least I grew up with the sense of the library is the place you go when you need something 132 00:09:27,340 --> 00:09:31,140 and you go get a journal article or you go get a book. 133 00:09:31,140 --> 00:09:37,460 So what I'm hearing really is that you are partners in this process and partners in research, 134 00:09:37,460 --> 00:09:40,940 partners in publication, partners also in the clinical space. 135 00:09:40,940 --> 00:09:47,940 You're really partners with deep expertise in access to information, how to get it, how 136 00:09:47,940 --> 00:09:51,980 to present it and really how to share it as well. 137 00:09:51,980 --> 00:09:53,380 Yes, yes. 138 00:09:53,380 --> 00:09:54,380 Exactly. 139 00:09:54,380 --> 00:09:56,340 You're so good at this, Tayosi. 140 00:09:56,340 --> 00:10:01,700 I was trying to think of a way to squish this in. 141 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:05,300 One of the things that we can help with is scientific posters. 142 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:10,020 We'll sometimes get help people coming by and saying, would you have a look at our poster? 143 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:11,860 Would you help me lay one out? 144 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:15,460 Like not done one before I'm getting ready for a professional conference. 145 00:10:15,460 --> 00:10:19,780 That's like one of the little things that a few of our librarians have expertise in. 146 00:10:19,780 --> 00:10:23,460 So yeah, there's so many little things we can help with. 147 00:10:23,460 --> 00:10:26,900 Layla, I'm going to want you to speak a little bit more about this. 148 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:27,900 Oh no. 149 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:31,380 No, this is good. 150 00:10:31,380 --> 00:10:32,380 This is good. 151 00:10:32,380 --> 00:10:37,220 Now, I know that what you're not looking for is someone who's like, oh, my poster is due 152 00:10:37,220 --> 00:10:38,220 tomorrow. 153 00:10:38,220 --> 00:10:40,300 Dear librarians, I need your help. 154 00:10:40,300 --> 00:10:45,940 So what does engaging your help well look like when it comes to, for example, poster 155 00:10:45,940 --> 00:10:46,940 presentations? 156 00:10:46,940 --> 00:10:47,940 Okay. 157 00:10:47,940 --> 00:10:49,900 So that's actually a really good lead in. 158 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:55,380 When you're asking us for help of any kind, so I'm going to actually, since you sort of 159 00:10:55,380 --> 00:11:01,460 started with that, so a timeline and deadlines are always super, super important because 160 00:11:01,460 --> 00:11:06,060 we're sort of, I like to tell some of my students and stuff that we're a little bit like a doctor's 161 00:11:06,060 --> 00:11:07,060 office. 162 00:11:07,060 --> 00:11:11,260 Like there's likelihood of getting in right away may not be great. 163 00:11:11,260 --> 00:11:15,980 So there's always a good idea to sort of plan ahead usually two or three days because we 164 00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:18,820 have so many people asking us for so many things. 165 00:11:18,820 --> 00:11:24,580 But if you submit a request, what we usually ask for is some sort of context, like what, 166 00:11:24,580 --> 00:11:26,580 you know, any kind of detail you can provide. 167 00:11:26,580 --> 00:11:32,580 So if this is for a literature search, what do you need and why? 168 00:11:32,580 --> 00:11:34,340 Is this for a proposal? 169 00:11:34,340 --> 00:11:36,540 Is this for an article? 170 00:11:36,540 --> 00:11:38,140 You doing a systematic review? 171 00:11:38,140 --> 00:11:41,380 Is this for a class, a class assignment, something like that? 172 00:11:41,380 --> 00:11:44,100 So we ask for that in order to be efficient. 173 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:48,860 People sometimes ask people like what have you done already, what databases have you 174 00:11:48,860 --> 00:11:53,460 looked in, what have you searched with, just so we're not sort of doubling back and, you 175 00:11:53,460 --> 00:11:56,860 know, annoying you by doing something you've already done before. 176 00:11:56,860 --> 00:12:02,780 Like any place you feel like you got stuck, that kind of thing is super, super helpful. 177 00:12:02,780 --> 00:12:06,500 And what we usually ask for is like how much help do you want? 178 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:09,900 So if we're helping with a poster, be like when does this do, how much stuff have you 179 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:12,860 put in, you know, where, what do you need help with? 180 00:12:12,860 --> 00:12:14,180 Do you need help with layout? 181 00:12:14,180 --> 00:12:17,260 Do you need more information to go in the poster? 182 00:12:17,260 --> 00:12:22,180 But if you're looking for a literature search, we'll say, so librarians, you probably all 183 00:12:22,180 --> 00:12:26,620 know this already, but we have a tendency to give you all of the things. 184 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:30,780 So if you don't want all of the things, but information overload, you should just let 185 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:35,460 us know, like, hey, I was at a cocktail party and I have trying to prove a point for a question 186 00:12:35,460 --> 00:12:39,660 somebody asked us, so we just need like an article or two, or I'm providing a little 187 00:12:39,660 --> 00:12:45,780 bit of background for this paper or so I just need, I don't know, 10 articles or I need 188 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:49,020 something for a class or just whatever. 189 00:12:49,020 --> 00:12:51,680 I'm exploring a research topic. 190 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,380 Can you help me look to see if anything is out there? 191 00:12:54,380 --> 00:12:59,700 So, or I'm doing an evidence synthesis and that means I want everything and like, and 192 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:03,020 then we'll ask you like, when do you need that guy, that kind of thing. 193 00:13:03,020 --> 00:13:08,740 So that's usually what I would say is if you're asking us, but more detail, the better. 194 00:13:08,740 --> 00:13:11,960 And that includes like asking us for classes. 195 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:18,900 So if you're interested in individual instruction on like reference management or open access 196 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:24,900 or having us come in and talk to your lab, for example, about something like open access 197 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:30,620 or research impact or citation management, just as much detail as you can provide will 198 00:13:30,620 --> 00:13:33,980 help us sort of be able to get back to you faster. 199 00:13:33,980 --> 00:13:38,740 And to piggyback on what Leila was saying about and what I think Toyosi, you were getting 200 00:13:38,740 --> 00:13:41,380 at with like posters do the next day. 201 00:13:41,380 --> 00:13:47,540 So, you know, of course we understand that people are busy and that, you know, some things 202 00:13:47,540 --> 00:13:51,900 I'm known to procrastinate myself. 203 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:53,500 It does happen. 204 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:58,260 But in those cases, I would just to raise awareness. 205 00:13:58,260 --> 00:14:04,260 I mean, we are engaged, happy to help you service, but we also are a high volume service. 206 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:11,100 So last year, I was just checking, we answered close to 10,000 reference questions. 207 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:18,660 So just be mindful that we are like, we've got our hands in many different pots and are 208 00:14:18,660 --> 00:14:24,860 communicating with lots of different researchers and students and teams across Duke Health. 209 00:14:24,860 --> 00:14:30,260 So, you know, as Leila said, a few days a week, you know, that's usually a realistic 210 00:14:30,260 --> 00:14:35,340 timeframe for some smaller questions, systematic reviews and evidence synthesis work. 211 00:14:35,340 --> 00:14:40,860 That's kind of a different story just because it is a really different type of project. 212 00:14:40,860 --> 00:14:41,860 Sure. 213 00:14:41,860 --> 00:14:42,860 Thank you. 214 00:14:42,860 --> 00:14:43,860 Thank you for pointing that out. 215 00:14:43,860 --> 00:14:44,860 So it's funny. 216 00:14:44,860 --> 00:14:48,540 What I'm hearing is that while people like me are just waking up to how valuable you 217 00:14:48,540 --> 00:14:50,860 are, other people are using you all the time. 218 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:51,860 So you're busy. 219 00:14:51,860 --> 00:14:56,340 And if people want to get the most out of you, they do need to consider that you are 220 00:14:56,340 --> 00:15:02,220 consummate professionals with full-time jobs, happy to help, but really needing lead-in 221 00:15:02,220 --> 00:15:05,140 time to be able to give your best effort. 222 00:15:05,140 --> 00:15:06,140 Exactly. 223 00:15:06,140 --> 00:15:07,140 Exactly. 224 00:15:07,140 --> 00:15:12,780 So I'm wondering if that answers that question about how researchers can come prepared to 225 00:15:12,780 --> 00:15:18,300 get the most value or if there's something more you want to add. 226 00:15:18,300 --> 00:15:19,300 I don't think so. 227 00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:26,860 I think Leila really hit it on the head, just a communication of that need, what you've 228 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:31,700 tried or what your vision is, because not everything is a literature search. 229 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:38,660 So if it is something like I am looking to figure out my research impact or I need help 230 00:15:38,660 --> 00:15:47,260 with X, Y, or Z timeframes, just extent of that need is really all we need to get started. 231 00:15:47,260 --> 00:15:48,760 Sure. 232 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:49,760 That sounds really good. 233 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,940 Can I double down on something you said? 234 00:15:52,940 --> 00:15:55,740 You talk about figuring out your research impact. 235 00:15:55,740 --> 00:15:57,500 Why is that important? 236 00:15:57,500 --> 00:15:59,380 And how will you help people do that? 237 00:15:59,380 --> 00:16:00,380 Sure. 238 00:16:00,380 --> 00:16:02,620 That is a really, really great question. 239 00:16:02,620 --> 00:16:09,940 So here, what I'm kind of lopping into that category is particularly for people who are 240 00:16:09,940 --> 00:16:14,780 on the tenure path. 241 00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:22,380 So when you're putting together your portfolio and you're kind of thinking about all of your 242 00:16:22,380 --> 00:16:31,220 publications, your presentations, your posters, and trying to get a sense for yourself of 243 00:16:31,220 --> 00:16:34,580 the impact you've had in your specific field. 244 00:16:34,580 --> 00:16:41,220 And I really do want to emphasize your specific field because it is not fair to compare a 245 00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:50,180 researcher in a niche pediatric specialty with a researcher in adult cardiology. 246 00:16:50,180 --> 00:16:53,700 It's just two different researchers. 247 00:16:53,700 --> 00:17:01,020 So kind of really thinking about the ethical use and responsible use of publication metrics. 248 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:04,340 So thinking about how many times your articles have been cited. 249 00:17:04,340 --> 00:17:05,340 Where have they been cited? 250 00:17:05,340 --> 00:17:08,380 What are the journals that you're publishing in? 251 00:17:08,380 --> 00:17:14,100 Are those the top journals within your niche specialty area? 252 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:19,420 Because it's not always going to be Nature and Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine. 253 00:17:19,420 --> 00:17:25,380 So we're really trying to help people understand the full scholarly picture and to understand 254 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:32,460 what these metrics mean, like journal impact factor, like H index for an author, and how 255 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:39,420 those things might be used in an evaluative capacity and to give you all the information 256 00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:49,700 you need to kind of ensure that you are being represented as fully, fully and clearly as 257 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:50,940 possible. 258 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:54,260 We also look at, so that's really at the individual level. 259 00:17:54,260 --> 00:17:58,900 A lot of times departments will contact us and say, you know, we're kind of just doing 260 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:05,420 an internal analysis and just want to really see where people in our department are publishing, 261 00:18:05,420 --> 00:18:08,900 who's getting cited, like what papers are getting cited the most, because we want to 262 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:13,120 highlight this in our department newsletter. 263 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:17,380 And then other people might contact us because they want to show, for example, they're putting 264 00:18:17,380 --> 00:18:23,100 together a grant and they want to show that this is the perfect team of people to be working 265 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:24,100 together. 266 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:29,500 They've either collaborated before or this is an opportunity for collaboration. 267 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:30,500 So that's the type of- 268 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:34,140 An international team or inter-institutional team. 269 00:18:34,140 --> 00:18:35,140 Yeah. 270 00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:38,860 So I know, like, I guess, thank you for pointing out that research impact is sort of like this 271 00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:43,740 buzzword that maybe only makes sense to a small number of librarians, but it really 272 00:18:43,740 --> 00:18:49,380 has to deal with that scholarly output, things like journal articles and presentations and 273 00:18:49,380 --> 00:18:55,220 sort of thinking about those metrics that surround them for better or worse, because 274 00:18:55,220 --> 00:19:04,780 people will use them of helping you understand that full sphere of things. 275 00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:05,780 That is really awesome. 276 00:19:05,780 --> 00:19:11,460 So now adding to your list of amazing things that you do, do you get people promoted? 277 00:19:11,460 --> 00:19:12,460 I mean- 278 00:19:12,460 --> 00:19:16,100 We might be able to help a little bit. 279 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:21,020 No, that's for real, Allison, because I mean, if you think about, I mean, as you're talking, 280 00:19:21,020 --> 00:19:25,260 I'm thinking about the intellectual development statement when you're writing your packet 281 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:28,220 for promotion, and that's one of the things you do need to explain. 282 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:29,220 What's your impact? 283 00:19:29,220 --> 00:19:33,340 And for many of us in specialty fields, we're not going to be publishing in these major 284 00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:35,020 high impact journals. 285 00:19:35,020 --> 00:19:36,300 And how do we explain that? 286 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:38,420 Because it's an opportunity to explain it. 287 00:19:38,420 --> 00:19:40,380 And it sounds like you help with that. 288 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:41,380 Yes. 289 00:19:41,380 --> 00:19:42,380 Exactly. 290 00:19:42,380 --> 00:19:43,380 Exactly. 291 00:19:43,380 --> 00:19:46,820 And we have a research professional who kind of leads a service within our research and 292 00:19:46,820 --> 00:19:52,780 education department, who's really what our lead for research impact, bibliometrics, which 293 00:19:52,780 --> 00:20:01,220 is a type of a scientific approach to analyzing citations and publication tracking. 294 00:20:01,220 --> 00:20:04,620 And we have kind of a core around that service. 295 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:09,060 So there is that support here within the library. 296 00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:10,420 That is really awesome. 297 00:20:10,420 --> 00:20:11,420 Thank you. 298 00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:12,420 Sure. 299 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:16,900 And my next question is, what's the one thing about your role that every clinician researcher 300 00:20:16,900 --> 00:20:17,900 should know? 301 00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:19,500 And I want to tack on to that. 302 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:21,540 You guys are at Duke and Duke is a great place. 303 00:20:21,540 --> 00:20:24,060 Is this the norm for librarians everywhere? 304 00:20:24,060 --> 00:20:28,140 Oh, gosh, that's such a good question. 305 00:20:28,140 --> 00:20:32,220 So remind me of the second piece after I answer the first piece. 306 00:20:32,220 --> 00:20:39,620 So usually what I would like everyone to know is that we're not like the traditional like 307 00:20:39,620 --> 00:20:46,500 bun and the librarian that most people think of when they think of librarian. 308 00:20:46,500 --> 00:20:51,220 In fact, some universities and places actually instead of calling them librarians, which 309 00:20:51,220 --> 00:20:56,860 come with a very specific sort of stereotypical, they'll call them informationists, for example. 310 00:20:56,860 --> 00:21:00,260 But we still we love the name library and we're going to stick with it. 311 00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:06,180 But because we're a service department, we're a service unit and we work with words and 312 00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:11,180 we work with computers, we sometimes get sort of unintentionally mistaken for like administrative 313 00:21:11,180 --> 00:21:14,980 assistants or like homework help. 314 00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:17,780 But we're really information experts, right? 315 00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:23,700 We help you do research and we contribute expertise in any of your sort of research 316 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:26,340 projects from like, how do I write this paper? 317 00:21:26,340 --> 00:21:27,500 How do I get it published? 318 00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:28,620 How do I collect data? 319 00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:30,420 Where do I store the data? 320 00:21:30,420 --> 00:21:33,140 So kind of any of that piece. 321 00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:39,980 So we often partner with teams on things like systematic reviews, evidence synthesis of 322 00:21:39,980 --> 00:21:44,100 those kinds or bibliometric research projects. 323 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:47,460 And what we do for those is we essentially collect your data. 324 00:21:47,460 --> 00:21:51,220 So if you're trying to find all the literature on a topic, Toyo, so you know this because 325 00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:52,780 you've worked with me. 326 00:21:52,780 --> 00:21:57,020 We'll gather all that data for you and then you get to start off. 327 00:21:57,020 --> 00:22:01,940 If you're doing a bibliometric research impact project, we gather all that data for you, 328 00:22:01,940 --> 00:22:05,420 give it to you to work with and give you advice on how to work with that. 329 00:22:05,420 --> 00:22:07,860 The data gathering is not by magic. 330 00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:11,700 I will say, right, Leila, it is not a swish and flick. 331 00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:20,500 That is where the real deep expertise and the wrangling of the controlled vocabulary 332 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:27,780 in these databases, the knowledge of the syntax within these systems, the expertise in understanding 333 00:22:27,780 --> 00:22:32,100 the scholarly communication and citation sort of landscape. 334 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:34,060 But yes, data gatherers. 335 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:36,100 Yes, like a balancing. 336 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:39,460 So if you ask me a question and I'm like, oh gosh, there's a lot of information out 337 00:22:39,460 --> 00:22:40,460 there. 338 00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:43,540 And we try to sort of balance that. 339 00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:48,780 We usually call sensitivity and specificity, like getting you your answer to the question, 340 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:52,020 but not too much and not too little, right? 341 00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:53,020 All of that stuff. 342 00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:56,740 Because we do all of this, we frequently, at least for evidence synthesis, we frequently 343 00:22:56,740 --> 00:22:58,900 ask for authorship. 344 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:02,460 And so a lot of times people are surprised when we ask that. 345 00:23:02,460 --> 00:23:06,820 But we're like, we've contributed a lot intellectually to this project. 346 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:07,820 But not for everything, obviously. 347 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:11,580 If you write to ask me for an answer to a cocktail question, cocktail party question, 348 00:23:11,580 --> 00:23:13,580 I'm not asking for authorship. 349 00:23:13,580 --> 00:23:17,500 So whatever big data projects, I probably would. 350 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:19,940 And the institution question. 351 00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:20,940 Yes, thank you. 352 00:23:20,940 --> 00:23:23,020 I was like, oh wait, she asked me a second part. 353 00:23:23,020 --> 00:23:27,780 So I would say, so we just got back from our Medical Library Association conference, which 354 00:23:27,780 --> 00:23:33,300 is a huge conference with all of us spread out across the country and the world. 355 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:37,340 And it varies a lot from institution to institution. 356 00:23:37,340 --> 00:23:40,620 But most of us do offer all of these services. 357 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:44,860 They all depend on budget and staffing. 358 00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:49,900 But in some way, shape or form, depending on what institution you're at, your librarian 359 00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:54,740 will at the very least be able to point you in the right direction for help with any of 360 00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:55,740 those things. 361 00:23:55,740 --> 00:23:57,740 This is all pretty typical. 362 00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:59,940 Yeah, agreed. 363 00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:06,100 And just one thing that I would add in terms of one thing about our role that every clinician 364 00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:10,020 researcher should know is that we're also educators. 365 00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:15,060 So whether that's teaching clinicians, the researchers, trainees, students, we're teaching 366 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:20,060 you and the team skills, including how to use the citation management software like 367 00:24:20,060 --> 00:24:27,700 EndNote or Zotero, thinking about data, best practices and management, using tools and 368 00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:35,460 software to help create your NIH bio sketches, how to craft searches in PubMed and so on. 369 00:24:35,460 --> 00:24:40,940 But as Leila said, we don't serve in that administrative assistant capacity. 370 00:24:40,940 --> 00:24:45,280 So we don't manage your EndNote libraries for you, but we teach you how to do that. 371 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,940 So we really want to teach you so that you can do your work effectively. 372 00:24:49,940 --> 00:24:52,900 And we really focus on that whole lifelong learning. 373 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:54,820 We want you to be successful. 374 00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:56,220 We're here to help. 375 00:24:56,220 --> 00:24:57,220 Absolutely. 376 00:24:57,220 --> 00:25:04,880 And there are times like with systematic reviews, really our involvement is really required. 377 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,800 But for a lot of other things, we really do also see ourselves in with an educator mission 378 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,900 as well. 379 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:16,340 We really want you because you don't want to have to wait for me to check my email and 380 00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:20,260 then look at the answer and then get back to you if you can do it yourself. 381 00:25:20,260 --> 00:25:24,420 So a lot of times we'll actually ask that when we do you want to know how to do this 382 00:25:24,420 --> 00:25:25,420 yourself? 383 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:26,420 Do you want me to do it for you? 384 00:25:26,420 --> 00:25:27,420 Or do you want to? 385 00:25:27,420 --> 00:25:30,340 And almost everybody wants to know how to do it themselves. 386 00:25:30,340 --> 00:25:33,300 So they don't have to rely on it. 387 00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:35,900 We all love to learn and we all want to be experts at what we do. 388 00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:37,980 And so most people want to learn. 389 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:44,620 Sure, so I hear in that also you empower people to do their jobs better as well. 390 00:25:44,620 --> 00:25:45,620 Efficiently, hopefully. 391 00:25:45,620 --> 00:25:50,220 If you know we have this cool tool, we get very excited about it. 392 00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:51,220 Yes. 393 00:25:51,220 --> 00:25:54,380 Empower is the right word. 394 00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:59,260 I can't name how many tools I've learned just emailing and it seems like Leila, you're the 395 00:25:59,260 --> 00:26:01,460 one who's always checking the email. 396 00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:03,700 And I just love me. 397 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:04,700 We must have a connection. 398 00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:05,700 It is that too. 399 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:06,700 That too. 400 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:13,060 I recently shared a trick you taught me in Scopus about how to find what journals publish 401 00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:16,380 articles that are similar to one that you're working on, which was so neat. 402 00:26:16,380 --> 00:26:20,100 I shared that at a conference a couple of weeks ago and people were like, I've never 403 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:21,100 heard that. 404 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:22,100 I'm like, you've got to talk to your library. 405 00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:23,100 I'm so glad. 406 00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:24,100 I'm so glad. 407 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:28,180 So if you want to know how to do that, just write to the library and one of us will show 408 00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:32,340 you that it's a really super easy, simple trick. 409 00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:36,580 You've got lots of tricks, which is why my next question is tell us about a life hack 410 00:26:36,580 --> 00:26:40,900 that you can share with researchers. 411 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:46,540 I can start this one and I'll let Leila share one too, because I think we have so many life 412 00:26:46,540 --> 00:26:50,340 hacks as you've alluded to Toyosi. 413 00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:55,760 We have so many different things that we can share that are really with that aim of making 414 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:03,820 your life easier, especially in terms of areas related to searching, to research impact analysis, 415 00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:09,900 to management planning, and so much more, and finding that right home for your manuscript, 416 00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:13,460 like what journals are publishing on this topic. 417 00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:19,060 One life hack that I would like to share, particularly for the earlier career clinician 418 00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:24,940 researchers, is making sure that you're starting to get that handle over your kind of what 419 00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:26,540 I would call scholarly profile. 420 00:27:26,540 --> 00:27:29,060 You can think about it like a CV, right? 421 00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:34,220 But in this case, I'm talking about making sure that you set up an ORCID profile, and 422 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:35,940 I'm going to explain what ORCID is. 423 00:27:35,940 --> 00:27:38,100 It's O-R-C-I-D. 424 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:43,540 And then I'm going to want you to link your ORCID profile to Scholars at Duke, and if 425 00:27:43,540 --> 00:27:50,380 you know that you're going to need to be putting together NIH bio sketches to Science CV. 426 00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:58,140 So ORCID is a nonprofit organization that provides you with a 16-digit unique researcher 427 00:27:58,140 --> 00:27:59,140 profile number. 428 00:27:59,140 --> 00:28:03,700 So it's like a social security number that's personalized to you. 429 00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:09,060 And it's an online system that essentially allows you to build a researcher CV where 430 00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:15,540 you're linking out or providing your work history, your publications, your awards, your 431 00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:21,340 grants, all in kind of one public-facing profile. 432 00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:28,060 And also the really nice thing about that unique 16-digit ID is that also helps disambiguate 433 00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:34,100 you from all of the other researchers who may have a similar name to you or the same 434 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:36,780 name as you. 435 00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:41,780 So by setting up your ORCID, which you may have done if you've ever had to submit an 436 00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:48,140 article for a publication and the Scholars One profile system asks you what your ORCID 437 00:28:48,140 --> 00:28:53,980 is, you may have quickly created one and you have the number, but have you actually populated 438 00:28:53,980 --> 00:28:54,980 your profile? 439 00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:57,420 Have you put the publications in there? 440 00:28:57,420 --> 00:29:02,940 Because I like to, you know, there's the work harder or work smarter, not harder. 441 00:29:02,940 --> 00:29:05,260 Sorry, work smarter, not harder. 442 00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:06,540 And ORCID allows you to do that. 443 00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:11,220 So you're just going to manage your publications and claim them in one spot in ORCID. 444 00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:14,260 ORCID will like go pull things for you. 445 00:29:14,260 --> 00:29:15,260 It will. 446 00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:16,260 Automatically. 447 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:17,740 It's not like you're sitting there typing it all in. 448 00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:18,740 No, no, no, no. 449 00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:20,500 You're going to search and link. 450 00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:27,700 And then ORCID talks to other systems, such as our faculty profile system, Scholars at 451 00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:28,700 Duke. 452 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:31,220 So you just need to go into your settings and link your ORCID. 453 00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:35,460 So you don't have to sit there and claim all your publications in your Scholars at Duke 454 00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:36,460 profile. 455 00:29:36,460 --> 00:29:37,460 You just link your ORCID. 456 00:29:37,460 --> 00:29:40,020 Similarly, that works with Science CD. 457 00:29:40,020 --> 00:29:44,660 You don't have to sit there and generate a new bibliography each time. 458 00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:49,860 You can link your ORCID and pull publications into your biosketch that way. 459 00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:51,260 Unless it's institution agnostic. 460 00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:53,020 So we don't want you to leave Duke. 461 00:29:53,020 --> 00:29:57,220 But if you left Duke, it is not tied to the Duke system. 462 00:29:57,220 --> 00:30:01,780 And there's a good chance that wherever you go, you're going to be able to use it again. 463 00:30:01,780 --> 00:30:04,700 So start building that ORCID profile now. 464 00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:08,660 And if you have questions about it, that is the perfect thing to have a consultation with 465 00:30:08,660 --> 00:30:10,860 us about. 466 00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:13,820 I have the ORCID ID in my signature line in my email. 467 00:30:13,820 --> 00:30:16,660 So that just to promote myself. 468 00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:18,740 So it'll be like, here's all my stuff and here's my ORCID. 469 00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:21,060 You'd like to go see my publications. 470 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:26,500 So I think it's a really great marketing self-promotion thing as well. 471 00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:27,860 I like it. 472 00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:30,180 And it's a low key self-promotion thing. 473 00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:31,180 Yeah. 474 00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:36,580 Come see all the cool stuff I do. 475 00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:38,940 So do you have a life hack to add? 476 00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:39,940 Oh, gosh. 477 00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:40,940 Oh, gosh. 478 00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:44,380 Well, we've talked a little bit about citation management. 479 00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:50,860 And I'm still surprised by meeting scholars and researchers who are not using some sort 480 00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:53,820 of reference manager or citation software. 481 00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:58,260 Some of times it's because they tried once, like way back in the day, and it was really 482 00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:00,020 overwhelming and they didn't like it. 483 00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:01,020 So they just bailed. 484 00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:04,620 But the tools are getting better and easier. 485 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:07,260 If one doesn't work for you, another might. 486 00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:10,060 And we're very familiar with most of them. 487 00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:14,100 So you could come to us and say, I tried EndNote and I found EndNote to make my head 488 00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:15,100 implode. 489 00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,700 And so can you suggest something else? 490 00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:19,260 And we'll suggest something else. 491 00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:24,420 Or I'm using Zotero, but it maybe doesn't have all the things I need it to do. 492 00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:26,140 Could you show me how to use EndNote? 493 00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:28,220 And it's easy to swap back and forth. 494 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:32,980 But what these do, for those of you who have not heard of one, is they help you gather 495 00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:37,660 all your researches or trolling around databases and in the internet. 496 00:31:37,660 --> 00:31:40,860 And somebody suggests something on Twitter and all that kind of stuff. 497 00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:46,180 You can gather it all in one place and organize it like your own personal library of all the 498 00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:48,100 citations that you care about. 499 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:53,540 And not just like in PubMed that has like 38 million citations or something like that. 500 00:31:53,540 --> 00:31:56,020 It'll be just the stuff that you would care about in your research. 501 00:31:56,020 --> 00:32:00,160 You can attach the PDF and then you can take that tool and write with it. 502 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,740 So most people are probably using or have touched one at one point or another. 503 00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:08,660 But that's kind of a big one we get asked about a lot. 504 00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:11,620 Sarah, did you want to maybe talk about like search alerts? 505 00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:13,420 That's how I certainly help. 506 00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:14,420 Yeah, I guess. 507 00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:18,340 Yeah, there's probably just two things I can quickly touch on. 508 00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:24,700 Other hacks really include setting up PubMed search alerts so that you receive email notifications 509 00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:29,000 when new articles get published on topics of interest to you. 510 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,500 We know that it's really hard to keep up with research in your field. 511 00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:38,460 And what we've found is, I mean, the librarian can help you craft a targeted search and will 512 00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:43,140 show you how to do that search in PubMed, set up a customized search alert that would 513 00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:49,900 just notify you weekly, monthly, any time new citations appear in PubMed that meet those 514 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:52,900 search parameters. 515 00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:58,060 And that can also be helpful for journal article table of contents too, where we can just set 516 00:32:58,060 --> 00:33:01,740 up a search for specific journals in PubMed. 517 00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:07,060 And again, you'd be alerted through email anytime there's a new issue out. 518 00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:11,420 And then the databases, sorry, any of the databases will actually do this. 519 00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:16,940 So if you prefer, PubMed is the one we're all familiar with, but we have a lot of really 520 00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:19,380 super cool databases there. 521 00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:24,540 My personal favorite is Embase, and you can do a search in there and it will send you 522 00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:25,980 search alerts as well. 523 00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:28,020 And they have a different journal set. 524 00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:31,900 I mean, there's an overlap, but there's also a bunch of unique journals in that database. 525 00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:34,060 And so you could set up a couple of different ones. 526 00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:36,780 You're always getting information from around the world. 527 00:33:36,780 --> 00:33:40,980 And the last thing, oh, I'm so sorry. 528 00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:48,500 The very last thing is that you should remember that we subsidize interlibrary loan fees. 529 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:55,180 That's another jargon, late in term, but interlibrary loan is just the process that a library uses 530 00:33:55,180 --> 00:34:01,460 to obtain articles and books that we don't personally have in our collection. 531 00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:07,180 We can get it to you through a sharing opportunity with other libraries. 532 00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:10,500 So some places charge for this service. 533 00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:11,500 We do not. 534 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:13,860 We, our library, absorbs those costs. 535 00:34:13,860 --> 00:34:17,900 So if there is an article or book that you need and it is not in our collections, we 536 00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:19,780 don't pay for it. 537 00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:20,780 Don't pay for it. 538 00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:21,780 Come on. 539 00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:22,780 Don't pay the $40 to $60. 540 00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:28,140 We can request it from another institution at no charge to you. 541 00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:31,700 And the turnaround time can be as short as one business day. 542 00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:37,260 Sometimes plan ahead, plan ahead, but plan ahead. 543 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:38,260 And that's awesome. 544 00:34:38,260 --> 00:34:40,580 I'm also hearing that you save people time. 545 00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:45,820 So you have these hacks that are really productivity hacks to help people not keep having to do 546 00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:47,820 things over and over again. 547 00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:51,100 It's like, do the orchid and then you're done. 548 00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,020 Do the alerts and then you're done. 549 00:34:54,020 --> 00:34:55,020 That's awesome. 550 00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:56,020 Exactly. 551 00:34:56,020 --> 00:34:57,020 That's awesome. 552 00:34:57,020 --> 00:34:59,180 So we're excited about this next question. 553 00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:04,380 What is one new item that all clinician researchers should know right now? 554 00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:06,820 I am so excited to share this news. 555 00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:15,940 So our libraries recently entered an institutional agreement with the journal publisher PLOS to 556 00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:24,220 cover article processing charges for Duke published research. 557 00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:30,240 So basically this agreement stipulates that any Duke corresponding author, so you do have 558 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,340 to be the corresponding author. 559 00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:38,260 But if your work is accepted into any of the PLOS journals, you will not have to pay the 560 00:35:38,260 --> 00:35:40,460 associated open access fee. 561 00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:44,460 PLOS is a highly regarded journal publisher. 562 00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:46,500 These are really high researching impact. 563 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:47,500 Yep. 564 00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:49,180 They are top tier. 565 00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:55,100 And those open access fees are typically between like $3,000 to $5,000 per article. 566 00:35:55,100 --> 00:36:01,140 So through this agreement, if your work after peer review is accepted and you're the Duke 567 00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:06,340 corresponding author, you will not have to pay the article processing charges. 568 00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:10,860 And I will also add that according to some of the internal publication analyses that 569 00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:17,740 our library has done of Duke authored publications, PLOS journals actually are kind of the top 570 00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:20,860 journals that Duke is publishing in. 571 00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:25,460 Like by raw numbers, Duke authors are publishing in PLOS journals the most. 572 00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:31,660 So we really hope that you will all take advantage of this incredible agreement that we've entered 573 00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:32,660 into. 574 00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:33,660 Saving so much money. 575 00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:34,660 Wow. 576 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:35,660 Wow. 577 00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:37,580 That is incredible. 578 00:36:37,580 --> 00:36:41,700 So now adding to your role, saving and investing. 579 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,820 Because it's an investment, right? 580 00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:50,540 You get your article into a highly ranked journal and that does help you in terms of your ability. 581 00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:52,620 Yes, that's right. 582 00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:53,620 That's right. 583 00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:54,620 That's right. 584 00:36:54,620 --> 00:36:55,620 Yeah. 585 00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:56,620 Thank you. 586 00:36:56,620 --> 00:36:57,620 Wow. 587 00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:58,620 That's so awesome. 588 00:36:58,620 --> 00:36:59,620 All right. 589 00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:02,580 Now I have to go look at my list of upcoming manuscripts or submission and see if there's 590 00:37:02,580 --> 00:37:03,580 a fit. 591 00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:07,700 What are the journals in the PLOS family, if you don't mind sharing? 592 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:08,700 Oh gosh. 593 00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:13,180 Sarah's like looking that up while I stall. 594 00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:16,580 They have quite a few in it. 595 00:37:16,580 --> 00:37:21,540 Every time we talk about it, they've added another like specialty journal. 596 00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:23,140 Yes. 597 00:37:23,140 --> 00:37:28,220 I will say, which journal? 598 00:37:28,220 --> 00:37:29,660 Okay. 599 00:37:29,660 --> 00:37:40,500 These include PLOS One, PLOS Medicine, PLOS Water, PLOS Sustainability and Transformation, 600 00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:48,020 PLOS Pathogens, PLOS Neglected Tropical Diseases, PLOS Global Public Health, PLOS Genetics, 601 00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:54,140 PLOS Digital Health, PLOS Biology, PLOS Climate and PLOS Computational Biology. 602 00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:55,140 Okay. 603 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:56,700 That's got a broad range. 604 00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:59,540 PLOS Medicine definitely seems like a potential fit. 605 00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:04,020 A lot of people publishing in PLOS One. 606 00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:05,020 Okay. 607 00:38:05,020 --> 00:38:06,500 Because that was the original. 608 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:07,500 Yeah. 609 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:08,500 Got it. 610 00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:09,500 Got it. 611 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:13,980 Now, I want to say from my viewers who are not from Duke, is this something that other 612 00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:16,740 institutions are thinking about? 613 00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:20,100 Can others look forward to these kinds of agreements? 614 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,900 Yes. 615 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,060 I think so. 616 00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:35,900 It is certainly costly, but for I would say large research one universities, this is definitely 617 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:46,420 I think where some of the scholarly services are going to, where we are trying to explore 618 00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:50,460 these what they're called as transformative agreements. 619 00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:55,340 What we want to avoid, at least like here at Duke and I think a lot of other libraries 620 00:38:55,340 --> 00:38:59,180 as well, is paying for research twice. 621 00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:05,860 So, and what I mean by that is a lot of journals now have hybrid open access models where you 622 00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:11,260 might be, your article might be accepted and you can either publish in the traditional 623 00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:17,780 way or they might have an open access option for you where you would have to pay and then 624 00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:21,540 but your article is made visible. 625 00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:28,140 What we want to avoid is we used to have something called the COPE fund where all the libraries 626 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:32,980 would contribute to this and Duke researchers could submit requests to have their article 627 00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:34,900 processing charges covered. 628 00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:42,180 We always had to say no to those requests for those hybrid journals because it's like 629 00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:47,940 we are already paying thousands and thousands of dollars per year to have a subscription 630 00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:54,260 to that journal and now having to then pay on top of that so that some researcher can 631 00:39:54,260 --> 00:39:56,740 make it open access in that journal. 632 00:39:56,740 --> 00:40:02,820 Just there is like there's like this disconnect, but there's a lot going on in publishing and 633 00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:05,900 scholarly communications right now. 634 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,860 I would say like for us it's exciting. 635 00:40:08,860 --> 00:40:12,820 There's like a lot of new and interesting things happening and we really are trying 636 00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:18,060 to support the research community as much as we can and I think entering in some of 637 00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:23,100 these transformative agreements with journal publishers where it just makes sense like 638 00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:29,420 something like PLOS where we know Duke authors have traditionally published quite a bit and 639 00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:31,380 we're going to try to keep exploring those. 640 00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:37,540 We also have agreements with all Cambridge University press journals and then two BMJ 641 00:40:37,540 --> 00:40:41,660 journals, BMJ open quality and BMJ case reports. 642 00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:45,940 With all of those journals if your work gets accepted you do not have to pay the processing 643 00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:46,940 charges. 644 00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:49,860 Unbelievable and awesome. 645 00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:52,300 What a plug for open science. 646 00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:56,740 Awesome news and just oh wow now I have to go and figure out which of the PLOS journals 647 00:40:56,740 --> 00:40:57,740 I can publish in. 648 00:40:57,740 --> 00:40:58,860 Thank you for sharing that news. 649 00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:03,180 It is really cutting these transformative agreements are really sort of cutting edge. 650 00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:05,780 They're just starting to get like sort of negotiated. 651 00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:10,540 So you guys are kind of like in on the you know hearing about it now and you'll hear 652 00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:16,820 more and more as the years go on and universities systems start picking this up and if you're 653 00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:20,180 at a smaller institution smaller institutions do it as well. 654 00:41:20,180 --> 00:41:25,540 It just sort of again depends on your institution and their library and your research output 655 00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:26,540 and that kind of thing. 656 00:41:26,540 --> 00:41:32,820 But I think yeah I was just going to say I mean I guess one thing I could say about open 657 00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:40,980 science is you know open access in publishing is just one piece of that. 658 00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:47,820 You know sharing data management plans and your data is another part of that of increasing 659 00:41:47,820 --> 00:42:00,660 visibility of really stressing reproducibility of research and breaking down the some of 660 00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:09,260 the systems that have led to inequities in accessing information and that's my big passion 661 00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:16,820 with open access is it breaks down that barrier and makes the research visible and accessible 662 00:42:16,820 --> 00:42:18,220 to all. 663 00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:23,780 So those who aren't as fortunate or privileged to be at an institution like Duke you know 664 00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:31,300 to be able to access this information to build on it in their own settings without that those 665 00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:36,500 additional burdens in place I think is so incredibly important. 666 00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:42,020 We encourage it go open if you if you can possibly do it go open spread your spread 667 00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:43,100 your research. 668 00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,580 We want people to see it right. 669 00:42:45,580 --> 00:42:48,460 Absolutely absolutely. 670 00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:52,660 Thank you thank you that was so awesome and actually a great segue into the next question 671 00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:57,780 which is like so you brought up a lot of things which I myself am like oh I didn't know that 672 00:42:57,780 --> 00:43:00,460 I didn't know that I need to find out about that. 673 00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:06,380 So for everyone who's listening how what how do they engage their librarians like I know 674 00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:09,820 we've talked about what's the best way to come prepared but just for everyone who's 675 00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:14,500 listening it's like I've never even ever talked to my librarian what's the first step. 676 00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:20,100 Okay so if you are trying to reach us if you were at Duke and you're trying to reach a 677 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,460 Duke librarian emailing us is the best way to do it. 678 00:43:23,460 --> 00:43:32,320 We have a super easy email address it is medical-librarian so medical-librarian at duke.edu but if you 679 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,780 are trying to kind of the best way to get most librarians and libraries is actually 680 00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:45,580 through their websites so many of our services come through our websites databases instructional 681 00:43:45,580 --> 00:43:50,940 guides resources wayfinders to point you in all different directions it's all through 682 00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:51,940 our websites. 683 00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:56,900 If you wanted to come to the Duke Medical Center Library website we are actually separate from 684 00:43:56,900 --> 00:44:00,740 main campus so if you google Duke Library you're actually going to get main campus library 685 00:44:00,740 --> 00:44:05,260 which is a great library don't get me wrong but if you want the medical center library 686 00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:10,420 you can google Duke Medical Library and it will bring you to our website that will be 687 00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:15,860 way easier than me trying to spell out our URL so what I've decided to default to in 688 00:44:15,860 --> 00:44:21,220 most library websites there will be email addresses and that's probably most librarians 689 00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:26,580 preferred way of getting a request because then you can provide all that information 690 00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:31,900 we talked about like when and where and what new and context and all that good stuff but 691 00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:39,020 most libraries also have a chat feature so we have a little chat bot box that you can 692 00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:43,980 Monday through Friday 9 to 5 you can send us a quick question like hey I'm trying to 693 00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:49,300 get this article you know can you tell me whether or not Duke has it and we'll say yes 694 00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:54,300 we do or no we don't you're gonna have to send it through interlibrary loan hey I'm 695 00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:58,980 doing a really quick search can you suggest some terms for me that kind of thing so you 696 00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:04,420 wanted or we can you can say I'd really like to meet with a librarian can I set up a time 697 00:45:04,420 --> 00:45:09,780 to meet with you and we can do a zoom so I will also add for people who aren't even at 698 00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:16,100 institutions that have you know deep and rich library services the National Library of Medicine 699 00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:20,580 is there for you as well they're not going to be able to necessarily have the capacity 700 00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:25,860 to provide as much of the in-depth searching support and it would really be for some of 701 00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:35,420 the searching questions in particular or questions related to PubMed My NCBI Sci NCV you can absolutely 702 00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:41,020 reach out to them and they also have a lot of just-in-time videos and trainings available 703 00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:48,380 on their websites as well that is super awesome thank you thank you so much this has been 704 00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:53,020 so informative is there any closing piece of information that we haven't talked about 705 00:45:53,020 --> 00:46:00,220 they really feel it's important to share I would just say don't be a stranger you know 706 00:46:00,220 --> 00:46:12,420 so friendly we love these people right yeah yeah you know I will say that if we if you 707 00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:17,820 are not from Duke we will try to point you in the right direction or connect you to somebody 708 00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:24,300 at your institution it is you know the case that our particular library services are for 709 00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:33,280 our Duke faculty staff and students but there's likely something at your own institution or 710 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:40,600 there are sets of freely available resources that we can also point you to we frequently 711 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:46,980 get people asking for systematic review services for example and so we'll say I know the librarian 712 00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:52,500 at x y or z institution and I can direct you there or I'll find out if there's somebody 713 00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:57,820 there can help you with that I'm also thinking like area health education centers which will 714 00:46:57,820 --> 00:47:03,460 also provide library support depending on which state and region you're in is another 715 00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:10,300 one yeah that's awesome I yeah thank you thank you for sharing that and it sounds like if 716 00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:14,180 if people are not able to connect with you directly if they're not from Duke or don't 717 00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:18,500 have a Duke collaborator you're often able to show them other resources that they may 718 00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:23,460 have access to that perhaps they don't know we love talking to librarians at other institutions 719 00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:29,140 so it's like totally an excuse for us to make a new friend awesome awesome I love it I love 720 00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:34,220 it thank you so much that has been so wonderful you gave me a lot of information that I feel 721 00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:38,700 like I need to go follow up on you will be getting emails from me shortly I'm sure I 722 00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:43,580 just want to say thank you so much for the wisdom that you've shared with our listeners 723 00:47:43,580 --> 00:47:48,340 all right everyone you've heard Sarah you've heard Layla librarians are your friends they 724 00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:54,420 are not just librarians they are so much more they're informaticists is that no no no what 725 00:47:54,420 --> 00:48:04,540 is information that's information you got it I like yours you're sounded fancy but really 726 00:48:04,540 --> 00:48:08,820 that you're helping us manage information you're helping us disseminate information 727 00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:14,020 and even helping us store it as well doing so many things helping us invest helping us 728 00:48:14,020 --> 00:48:19,980 get promoted just so so many so many things that that you're doing and I just want to 729 00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:23,420 thank you for your work I want to thank you for the work you do here at Duke for the work 730 00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:27,300 that I've benefited from because I've worked with both of you personally and it's always 731 00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:32,220 such an amazing and wonderful experience so when you started out talking about how the 732 00:48:32,220 --> 00:48:36,860 biggest gift you feel and the biggest value you bring the people I agree I think it's 733 00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:41,740 just it's such a wonderful experience to work with you not just getting the information 734 00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:45,820 but just also having a pleasant experience collaborating with you and working with you 735 00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:52,340 so thank you both for for for all that you do thank you thank you for having us thank 736 00:48:52,340 --> 00:48:56,980 you I want to say to our view to our listeners if there's anybody who needs to hear this 737 00:48:56,980 --> 00:49:01,340 information who maybe doesn't know perhaps you know all of this and you have a mentee 738 00:49:01,340 --> 00:49:05,700 who needs to know our colleague who might need to know please share this episode with 739 00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:10,580 them and and definitely help them get plugged into services that will really enhance their 740 00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:15,500 research as well all right everyone thank you for listening Leila and Sarah thank you 741 00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:33,300 so much for being here thank you bye bye bye bye everyone 742 00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:38,660 Thanks for listening to this episode of the clinician researcher podcast where academic 743 00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:44,500 clinicians learn the skills to build their own research program whether or not they have 744 00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:50,300 a mentor if you found the information in this episode to be helpful don't keep it all to 745 00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:57,500 yourself someone else needs to hear it so take a minute right now and share it as you 746 00:49:57,500 --> 00:50:02,900 share this episode you become part of our mission to help launch a new generation of 747 00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:08,460 clinician researchers who 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