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Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills

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to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.

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As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.

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When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find

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program.

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Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.

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the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.

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Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.

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Welcome to today's episode of the Clinician Researcher podcast.

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I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.

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What a privilege to be talking with you today.

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Thank you for tuning in, for listening today as we talk about the number one reason to

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submit grant proposals.

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All right, so today I'm talking about reasons to submit grant proposals.

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And I will tell you that once upon a time I hated submitting grant proposals.

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I really just did.

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Number one, it just took a lot of time.

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And it's like, well, you know, all this time I could be writing manuscripts.

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I'm submitting grants, and this grant may not even be funded.

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So grant writing can be hard.

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And especially when it comes to like the final push towards submission, it really invests

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a lot of time.

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I remember a couple of years ago during kind of like one quarter where I create a strategic

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plan for the quarter and my intention, you know, I set an intention for the quarter.

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I'm like, this is my intention for this quarter.

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And my intention for that quarter was to begin to allow grant writing to fall into the background

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of my life.

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So, you know, every time I would go to write a grant, it was like a big event.

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Like, all of a sudden it was like I stopped talking to people.

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I stopped taking showers.

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Okay, I didn't stop taking showers, but it was just this thing of like everything, all

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the energy, all the focus went into like writing this grant.

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And it was like, oh, grant needs to be submitted.

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And this is about like that was such a big push.

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And to be honest, that hasn't gone away from me yet.

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But what I did end up succeeding in doing at the end of that quarter was just creating

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a schedule where I was writing my grant.

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I was writing, I was working towards a proposal every day.

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And so as part of my writing structure, I write every day.

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And I really enjoy writing manuscripts.

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Oh my goodness, I love to put our research into context and summarize it and create a

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great story and look at it and say, oh, that's a good contribution.

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So it's so much fun.

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Proposals are a little bit harder because I'm taking an idea that's just like out there

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and creating something new and that's hard.

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And sometimes it just feels like your brain is working so hard.

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So that I don't I haven't always enjoyed as much.

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Though at the end when you come to the place where it's like, oh, this looks really good.

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It really feels good.

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But in the beginning of pulling out your hairs and trying to figure out where things go,

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that can be kind of frustrating.

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But at the end of that period, what I was able to do was to create my grant writing

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as part of my daily structure.

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So it's like I write manuscripts as part of my daily writing and I write grants.

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I continue moving my proposals forward as part of my grant writing.

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And what that allowed me to do was really to really allow me to think longitudinally

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about my grant so that at the end of it, I hadn't just spent two or three fully intense

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days thinking critically about the grant.

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But really it was a multitude of weeks and that really compounds over time.

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So you want to think about why do you even do all this work?

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Why do you get into this place where it's like, oh, my goodness, focus, intense time,

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putting these grants together.

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Is it even worth it?

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And I want to talk to you today about the number one reason to submit grant proposals.

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Why you should submit grant proposals.

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And then really the number one reason, the most important reason to submit grant proposals

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is that people who submit proposals get grants.

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People who submit proposals get grants.

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You don't get the grant if you don't submit the proposal.

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And the converse is true.

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People who don't submit proposals do not get grants.

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And so those two things are true.

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And yeah, I hear you saying, yeah, I've submitted so many grants.

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I don't remember how many have been funded.

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And I can hear the pessimism and I get it.

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I've submitted more grants than I've had funded.

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But every time a grant is funded, that's a big deal.

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It's a big payoff.

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It's a big payday, right?

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But the reality is that if you don't submit proposals, you can't get grants.

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And if you don't get grants, then it's hard to justify funding your research program.

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And when you get grants, then you're able to give your research program life and gather

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resources that allow you to move work forward.

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So money to support your program is important.

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Most of us will do that by applying for and getting grants.

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And for others who have a rich uncle to support their research program, good for you.

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I'm not talking to you.

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I'm talking to those of us who are submitting grants and we're trying to think about why

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do I keep doing this?

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So I'm going to talk to you about five ways that submitting proposals gets you grants.

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Five ways that submitting proposals gets you grants and why you should keep doing it and

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why you should have a structure for doing it consistently and routinely.

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Okay, number one is you overcome submission shock.

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Okay, let's say that again.

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You overcome submission shock.

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And what do I mean by submission shock?

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I really kind of maybe mean grant writing shock, but I'm talking more about submission

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shock because the moment you go to submit a grant, all of a sudden it becomes clear

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all the pieces and the components that need to go towards writing the grant.

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And it's like, what?

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I need a letter from my chair?

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And oh, does it take two weeks for the chair to write my letter?

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Oh, I don't have two weeks.

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And then you struggle, you struggle, you know, you get the letter written on time, you get

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the grant submitted.

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But the shock of all the components that all of a sudden come to life to make this grant

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proposal real, just you get over that.

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it's new and a lot of components kind of like are the same between opportunities, but somewhat

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And so it's helpful because once you overcome kind of like what's called, I think the sticker

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shock of, oh, this is what it takes to submit this proposal.

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If I had known I would have given myself three extra weeks.

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And the next time you're submitting a grant, you're not imagining that four days will be

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enough.

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You know that you need three extra weeks and so you build it in.

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And so the first submission shock is really just you overcome the surprises that come

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with the multi-component nature of grant proposals and all the documents that need to come together

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to make the grant the grant that you're submitting.

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And so the more you do it, the more you can kind of get over it.

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So it's kind of like, you know, that first day in the hospital on rounds where, I mean,

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it's your first day as an intern, you don't even know what the bathrooms are and you are

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actually struggling with navigating your environment more so than you are actually trying to integrate

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knowledge into caring for patients better.

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So it's the same thing in the sense that you are kind of getting over all the, you know,

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putting together documents in a certain way and making sure you're using the right language

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and finding out, okay, what's the right template for this letter?

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Like all those things kind of like are distracting from the actual work of creating a proposal.

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And the more you do it, the more all those things become routine and they're no longer

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a distractor and you can really focus on the body of the grant.

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You can really focus on creating the proposal rather than kind of figure out the mechanics

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of submitting.

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So it's important to do because over time you get over first submission shock.

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You know what grant is due.

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You know that there's a whole cadre of documents that needs to come together and you're not

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surprised anymore and it doesn't cause you to stumble.

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Okay, so the first thing is you overcome first submission or sticker shock.

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Number two is that your thoughts about your research become clearer.

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Every time you have to stop and explain to someone why you're doing what you're doing,

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who's doing it, why it makes sense to submit this proposal, you get more clarity about

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where your research program is going.

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You get more clarity about some of the pitfalls in your research program.

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You get more clarity about your work.

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And I will tell you that clarity is so important.

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It's so important as a clinician researcher because sometimes, and I don't know about

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you, I'm writing a grant that's fuzziness in my head about like, so why is this important

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again?

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And I have to get, I have to wade through that fuzziness, do the work to just pass through

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to get clear about why this work needs to be done and to put it down in this document.

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And over the course of doing that, the thoughts I have about my research program, where it's

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going, how important it is, become clearer.

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And when you have clarity, wow, what a gift it is to yourself.

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Because getting clarity on your research program is the same thing as turning on your lights,

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turning on the lights in a room full of clutter.

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In the one, you have to kind of group your way around and make sure you don't stumble

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and fall.

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In the other scenario, you're like, oh, I can see where the clutter is now.

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I can move quickly.

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So the more clarity you have around your research program, the more you can do, the faster you

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can move, the more you can accomplish.

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And so every grant proposal gives you that opportunity to clarify your thoughts about

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your research program.

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And then you see where you see more clearly where the next steps are.

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And so submitting proposals forces you to think more clearly about your research.

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And that's actually a gift to you.

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Number three, you become a thought leader.

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A thought leader is someone who leaps in their thinking.

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Yes, you become a thought leader because you're thinking, you're thinking about this problem

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over and over and over and over again.

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And you're thinking about all the gaps and where you can insert yourself and fill gaps.

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And because you're the person who's at the forefront of thinking about this research

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and pulling together literature to support your proposal, you become someone who is thinking

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about it and you really do become a thought leader.

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Now if you're repurposing all these things and submitting grants and submitting manuscripts,

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if you're getting your preliminary data and putting it together into manuscripts that

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are being published, then you're also announcing to the world that I am a thought leader because

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I'm actually writing about this and publishing about it.

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But you really do become the thought leader just by doing the work of thinking, doing

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the work of creating the proposal really from scratch.

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I mean, you're never really creating from scratch, but you're really bringing this idea

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to life.

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And so there's really no greater expert in this specific thing than you because, well,

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you've been thinking about it a lot for the last six weeks.

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you may have been doing it for the last year, two, three, four years, you really, really

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start to become the thought leader because you're thinking about it all the time.

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You're articulating it all the time and you become really good at doing that.

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So you become a thought leader.

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Number four is that like wine, you get better with age.

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The more you write, the better you get at it.

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The more you write, the better you get at it.

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You know, people talk about, and I think it was Malcolm Claddwell that popularized a 10

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thousand hours concept of you investing time, investing time, investing time, and getting

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the benefits of that over time.

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And you know, in general, you need feedback to really get good.

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But even the kind of person you are as a clinician, you have this kind of built in self feedback

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loop, right?

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You write this grant and you submit it and you're like, oh, that wasn't my best.

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And the next time you go to repurpose the content for the next grant or you go to resubmit

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it, there's the sense of like, OK, how could it be better this time?

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And so you're always kind of moving forward and improving your work over time.

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And if it's the same idea, especially if it didn't get funded the first, second, third,

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fourth time and you're resubmitting it again, it's just getting better.

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It's getting finer.

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It's getting sharper.

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It's getting clearer.

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And so it's really getting it's really getting better with age.

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And then the next grant you write is just not as much of an investment as the very first

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grant you wrote and vice versa.

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And over time, you become really, really good at grant writing.

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And what's important to recognize is that grant writing is a skill.

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It's a skill.

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And like all skills, grant writing can be developed.

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And so the more you do the skill, the more you practice the skill, the more feedback

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you get on the skill, the better you get at it.

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And so, yes, like wine, you get better with age.

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And that's not age as in your chronological age.

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That's ages in the age of time you invest writing grants.

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So you can't say I wrote two grants when I was 32.

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And now I'm trying to write grants of age of 45.

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And therefore, my age should make me better.

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It's the age of time that you've invested in writing grants.

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Number five is that you experience the effects of compound interest.

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And if you understand anything about finances, I feel like that's one thing people are always

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talking about is the power of compound interest.

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It's the same thing.

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Every time you are writing a grant, every time you're submitting, so not just writing,

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but actually taking the proposal all the way through and submitting, you are making an

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investment.

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You're making an investment in your research career.

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You're making an investment in your thought leadership.

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You're making an investment in your program because you're constantly really thinking

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about it.

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And over time, so initially it just doesn't feel like much is happening.

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And sometimes you're so frustrated that you're putting in so much and there's so many rejections.

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But over time, you start to experience the effects of compound interest.

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There's not just that the grants over time are getting better and now more people are

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saying yes, we'll fund you.

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But there's also over time, the research you've been doing, the manuscripts you've been submitting

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for publication are coming together.

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And maybe over time, you start to get one grant here, two grants there.

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Then all of a sudden, people look at you differently.

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You resubmit.

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It's like, this is a person who's gotten a grant before.

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This is a person who has this body of work behind them.

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And all of that starts to add up to more.

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And so you start to really experience the effect of all that compounding of your expertise,

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of your knowledge, of your successes.

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They all come together and they help you just do better.

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And so over time, what you see is that people who succeed in submitting proposals and getting

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funded tend to be the people who continue to succeed in getting funded because all of

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a sudden, they've figured out what works and they have a body of work to support them

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and they've been funded before.

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And so people say, well, if they've been successful before, they'll be successful again.

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And so you experience the effects of compound interest.

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So let me just summarize those five points again.

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Number one, you overcome first submission or sticker shock.

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Number two, your thoughts about your research become clearer.

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Number three, you become a true thought leader.

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And four, like wine, you get better with age.

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And number five, you experience the effects of compounding.

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So those are five ways that submitting proposals gets you grants.

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And over time, when you submit, you get grants and the person who doesn't submit does not

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get grants.

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All right, you know somebody who needs to hear this today.

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You know someone who's saying, I don't want to submit another grant and you need to share

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this episode with them, I ask you to please do because how awesome would it be for more

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clinicians to get funded?

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Clinicians have amazing and incredible ideas.

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I do believe that all of them should see the light of day, but they won't see the light

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of day unless someone's submitting a proposal that gets funded and the work can be done.

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So please contribute to the success of clinicians who are making the transition to clinician

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researcher by encouraging them by sharing this episode, just one person share with just

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one person.

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And if you've been following our show for a while and you haven't subscribed or left

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us a rating, please do because the more this show is rated, the more people can find us

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and the more clinicians have the opportunity to succeed as clinician researchers.

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All right, it's been a pleasure talking with you today.

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Thank you for tuning in.

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I look forward to talking with you again next time.

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