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Welcome to The Zoologist's Campfire, the podcast where animal professionals share their

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best, funniest and most epic stories.

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Gathered with me around the campfire today are Ana Luisa Santos and Michael Sanderson

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of Attilus Films.

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Ana and Michael are wildlife filmmakers who have travelled to over 50 countries, hiding

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for days in little huts or dangling high in the trees among the monkeys.

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And then they bring back incredible nature footage for us to enjoy.

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So I really recommend going to their website or their YouTube channel to see some of it,

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including some really cool behind the scenes stuff.

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But you may have actually already seen their work, for instance on the BBC Planet Earth

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series, on National Geographic or in their own productions that were aired in several

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countries.

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So, Ana and Michael, welcome.

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Thank you.

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Hello, thank you.

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Well, before we get into your stories, can I just ask you how you came to be wildlife

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filmmakers?

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I'm sure many people think it's a dream job and they would love to know how you got there.

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Well, that's a long story, but we'll keep it short.

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Well, basically, we started our own company in 2013.

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And so since then, we've been working at Attilus Films together as filmmakers.

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So yeah, we've been producing for more than almost 10 years.

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Together almost 10 years.

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We have films for various channels and programs.

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So yeah, it's...

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So basically, I have an engineering background, Michael as well, different kinds of engineering.

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And so in 2014, we decided to join forces because Michael needs help to create something

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and I also was looking for something more challenging.

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And so we decided to work together and since then, we have been working with several species,

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several documentaries.

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I can give you just a few examples.

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For example, with Bart Macaques, with Spider-Man, with different kinds of birds, with...

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Lumbergaiers.

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Lumbergaiers.

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Yeah, and I loved your documentary on the foxes in the Netherlands as well.

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That was really cool.

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Yeah.

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Foxes, yeah.

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Fox is always a very intriguing and very interesting character for us.

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We learn a lot with them and we learn about them.

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Yeah, so we're not zoologists or biologists.

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Our background is engineering.

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But as a filmmaker, that's also very important to have the technical background.

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Background.

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I imagine, yeah.

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But on production, we learn from zoologists that we work with and then we connect their

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knowledge, their scientific knowledge, and they're not to be shown to the public in a

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way that they can understand it as well.

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Yeah, and everything that we film, we do a lot of research about when we are making a

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production.

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And so sometimes we are lucky enough to be able to film more than what we research about.

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And so it's always important for us to fact check.

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And so when you see something, you say, okay, but it was that.

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And we have to support other people.

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That's kind of your bycatch then, and that you're not the topic animal, but then you

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see something else running around and you can.

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Yeah, sometimes we can see new projects emerge in the backgrounds.

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We're focusing on that.

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Exactly.

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Cool.

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Well, you've prepared a couple of stories for us today, I think.

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You said the first one might be about bears, which is a topic close to my heart as well.

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Bears.

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Where were you?

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What were you doing there?

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You were chasing bears for some reason.

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So basically this story is about our nice adventure in Europe, Eastern Europe in the

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summer season.

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But it's important to say that we went to this location in different seasons.

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So we pretty much, we knew, we kind of, we knew at how it was in the winter with a lot

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of snow, with rain, and then we were there for the summer.

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And so basically, so basically we went to this place a few times, but in one specific

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day you receive a call.

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So what that, which call it was that?

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mountains and that maybe it was interesting for us to come and have a look with our kit.

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And so what happened was that there was a lightning strike that hit a herd of a flock

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of sheep in the mountains.

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And so this information trickled down from the shepherd who, yeah, who said that my sheep

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had been killed by lightning and it created a lot of food for some of the large carnivores

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And so then it was worth for us to come and have a look and see if we can film some of

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them whilst they were jumping away on these carcasses that were left behind, of course,

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in the middle of the mountains.

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So in our last trips, we were really chasing these animals.

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We really need to see them.

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And it was difficult.

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It wasn't like a place where you, you, there was fed or something like that.

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There was like a hide or something that you go to.

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This was in an area that had never really been filmed before.

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And it was in the mountains.

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But the thing is our source told us that for sure we will be able to see these animals

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in action.

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And so, and by telephone they say, Dad, we know what it is.

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Once the lightning happen, you only need to come bring your equipment.

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It will be possible.

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Or let's literally book the flight in the following hour.

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And then the next morning we arrive to this place.

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And so when we arrived there, we understood that we arrived at night, though, late at

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And so we would camp down at the bottom of the valley.

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And then they said like, hey, at 6 a.m. we'll get up.

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And it would take how long?

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It would take, they said?

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They said that it will take one hour to go to this place.

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Convenient.

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One hour.

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So, so, so as like, like normal filmmakers, we just thought, okay, okay, that it was more

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Michael that thought let's take all the equipment.

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Like everything.

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And say everything is just one hour walking.

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It cannot be that difficult.

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Sure.

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I never, I never agreed with that that much, but sure.

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Let's do it.

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So basically we were in this camping and in the morning, it was a while camping.

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A tent.

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It was something very basic.

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But in the morning, in sunrise, I remember that I opened the tent and I look outside

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and I saw, I saw an animal that should not be there.

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I thought.

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And, and this animal, it was a donkey.

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Not too dangerous yet.

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Standing outside the tent.

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Standing outside.

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And I thought, okay, that is interesting.

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And, and actually I thought this is interesting.

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I really love them.

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So, wow.

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And so I asked, so, so, but do you need, do you need him?

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You're going to help us to carry the stuff to the, to the, where we need to go.

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I'm going to take everything.

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it was to film these animals.

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The brown bears.

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The brown bears.

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So, and so basically our guide even thought about to put, to put the wood.

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So he gave a bag, he put a big bag of food.

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Talk of the donkey.

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So we thought this is kind of, okay, so we have, now we have a little helper.

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And so this animal also going to take good and say, no way, no, we cannot, we cannot

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do that.

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We cannot do that.

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Because if you're going to make a fire, we're going to, everything going to, going to.

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You scare away predators and large carnivores with fire.

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So we decided maybe we're not going to have cooked food.

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And so basically, so, so we just decided what we're going to take.

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We decided to take less stuff.

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And we asked again to the guide.

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So, but where is the location?

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Ah, it's just there.

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It's just there.

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It's just one hour.

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I said, okay.

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So let's start.

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Let's start.

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I was thinking, wow, this is a lottery, right, because we had been blessed the year and now

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we're going to see that one hour away.

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Wow.

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Amazing.

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It's also like we would arrive in the morning still.

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So maybe we could still see the bears whilst they have their morning routine, because once

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it gets midday, they might be sleeping.

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So we starting our journey.

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It was maybe not even eight o'clock and great nine o'clock.

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We're going to be there.

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Oh, earlier.

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Something like that.

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And this is a great opportunity for you because you spent already several visits there going,

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looking for these bears, which are extremely low density in the forest.

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Very hard to see even a glimpse of them.

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This would be a sure thing.

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So we are really talking about animals, not use it to people, not use it to being fed

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nothing.

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It was ideal situation for us.

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And so we started to walk and I saw the time passing off an hour and a half.

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And now we're great.

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And also now we're going to be there.

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But the thing is that half an hour we're going to be there, but we were still below the trees.

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So all right.

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And then one hour passed and we were always walking.

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And trust me, we have the help of this Anki that indeed has a few bags, but we also had

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a lot of bags.

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Everyone was there.

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It was comfortable.

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One hour passed, nothing.

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Two hours passed, nothing.

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Three hours passed and I thought, three hours?

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What is going on?

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And I, Michael, what is going on?

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To speak with them already.

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The time is passing and they kind of, they look a little bit lost like us.

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Oh dear.

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But we are not from there.

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So sure.

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And then wait a minute.

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But then four hours passed and we were almost, we almost passed.

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We almost passed the line tree, but we were...

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Okay, we have a problem.

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And then five hours passed, always walking.

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We are talking about always walking.

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We never stopped.

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And we finally reached the top of the mountain.

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Well, just under the top.

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Just over.

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And I remember that the guides, obviously we stopped to eat something.

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No, it was funny because it was, ah, okay, we're going to sit down and have lunch.

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Say lunch.

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For breakfast.

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And it's already...

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Yeah, it's okay.

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Let's have lunch.

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And so we, but we were getting a little bit nervous because it was so easy.

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So easy.

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It's easy and nothing.

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It was not like that.

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And so we started to eat.

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We were eating and suddenly I looked to the side and I saw the shepherd man.

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He's starting to take the bags out of the tank.

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Uh oh.

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It was short.

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He needs a rest.

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He needs a rest.

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So nothing.

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And he's starting to take the bags and I keep looking.

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And then I see the animal looking away.

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It was walking away from us.

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And I thought, what is going on?

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Oh my God.

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And I was so scared.

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And he said, yes, he had enough.

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He had enough.

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He's tired.

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Okay.

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So, okay.

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Sure.

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So but, but where is this location?

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We, we, yeah, we don't know.

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We are looking for it.

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What?

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Oh, you were not there yet.

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No, we're not there yet.

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And the thing is that the donkey just starting, he was going away, away, away.

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He went downhill.

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Downhill.

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Okay.

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So we asked the guides, okay, so is the donkey going to come back?

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He said, no, no, he's done.

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He's done for the day.

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He's done.

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So all the bags were like put on the floor at the top of the hill.

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Oh no.

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Mountain.

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It was quite a hill.

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And basically we were looking at each other going like, okay, so how are we going to carry

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all these bags?

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It's, it's imagine that a donkey full of, there's four of us and the donkey carrying

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a lot of bags just dumped it and left it behind.

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And fair enough, you know, we were tired as well.

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So we understand how this donkey is doing.

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Yeah, but he went back home.

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The thing is that in a way we learned that, that if they are, if animals are tired, they

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are.

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And then we humans, we need to do it, but they were tired.

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They reached, it was the poor animal, he reaches his point of helping us.

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And so, and the problem is it was that we really didn't know if you were that far, nobody

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knew.

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But it was at this point that they also said to us and they turned around honest to us,

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the guides and say, we don't know where it is.

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We don't know.

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We don't know where we're going.

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We're going five hours of walking.

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What we realized is they were in the wrong valley.

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Yeah, probably.

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So then, okay, we looked at each other and we thought, okay, how are we going to solve

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this?

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And then we came up with a plan.

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Okay, well, we have to walk the rest on our own with all these bags that we can't carry

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all at the same time.

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So we had to do the system of going, taking one set of bags, like a couple of hundred

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meters, put it on the floor, walking all the way back, get the rest of the bags, going

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all the way again, putting it down and doing it in like little laps.

316
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Yeah.

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Oh, that's, that's, oh, it's like a lot longer.

318
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The thing is, when the situation happened, we were in the top.

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We were really in the top of the hill.

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And so I really have in the memory that when I was walking with a lot of bags, just trying

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to put them in the, just put them a few meters further, I looked down and I literally, I

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saw that if I fall, I will die because it will be...

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Wow.

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We were together.

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Together, they will find it, but we never know.

326
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It was quite steep at that point.

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And so, and so basically, and it was as well, obviously that they admit that the lightning

328
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probably happened at this point that we didn't know, but it happened.

329
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They also said that they didn't know when it happened.

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So it was becoming clear that kind of, it wasn't yesterday.

331
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No, it was never.

332
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Maybe it was a bit longer ago, but you know, that kind of later we...

333
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Wow.

334
00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,800
So you jumped on the plane like the next day immediately and then...

335
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Yeah, because we really wanted, we really needed to film that.

336
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It was kind of important for us.

337
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And so, and so, but the thing is that in that moment, we were kind of a little bit desperate

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because, because it's obviously a kind of investment.

339
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And so we thought, okay, maybe this, it was just a lost trip.

340
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The thing is that, so we keep walking and finally one of the guides said, it's here.

341
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It's here.

342
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And we took in total from the bottom until the top nine hours.

343
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It was around nine hours.

344
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Nine hours.

345
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Nine hours.

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We arrived to the spot that they thought it was the right spot.

347
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And it was interesting though.

348
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Actually we arrived.

349
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So we went up this hill, the donkey left us.

350
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We were at the crest of the hill, reversed along this dodgy path, which wasn't a path.

351
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It was just like loose rocks, like doing like relays with our bags.

352
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Finally we got to the location where the guide said, this is it.

353
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Here it is.

354
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It's on the other side.

355
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It's opposite.

356
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So it's not a very big valley.

357
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It should be over there on the other side.

358
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Okay.

359
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That's interesting.

360
00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:17,320
All right.

361
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Let's just hide behind these bushes first, set up the camera.

362
00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,840
And then luckily the two guides, they went back to get the rest of the bags.

363
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Well, we had our cameras with us and we could already set up our long lens and then see what

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was going on.

365
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And almost immediately a bear appeared.

366
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Wow.

367
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Well, at least that.

368
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I mean, after nine hours, were you thinking it was one?

369
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So we were super excited because we forgot that we walked nine hours because we arrived.

370
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And so that was very important.

371
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And that we saw the bear, it was amazing, of course.

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And luckily the guides, they could come back quite quickly with the rest of the bags.

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And then we sat, we stood there kind of behind this bush filming to the other side of the

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hill.

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This beautiful bear jumping on a carcass.

376
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And later we, well, actually on the screen we could see that, yeah, this definitely wasn't

377
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two days ago.

378
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These carcasses were already quite old.

379
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But these bears were still coming back to this location.

380
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So we thought this, okay, great.

381
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We're going to set up camp.

382
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And once the bear was gone, we went down the hill a little bit and we found a nice spot

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to base ourselves.

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Built our tent there and we set up not that far away from there.

385
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We set up our little tripod to wait for the bears again.

386
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And we actually got immediately that evening, because it was already evening.

387
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The sun was setting.

388
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So we got the, in the golden hours, we got some nice shots.

389
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It was quite a distance away, but you know, it was really wild bears.

390
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You know, it wasn't like, you know, these were not used to humans for sure.

391
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,280
Wow.

392
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:09,480
And so basically, and then we have our tent and our guides, they left us there.

393
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And kind of concerned because...

394
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I was getting night now, I imagine, right?

395
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So yeah.

396
00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,600
And it was getting extremely dark and we thought, okay, now we are here.

397
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We cannot go all the way down.

398
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:20,880
No way.

399
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:26,120
But because now they know exactly this location, they could go easily down.

400
00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:27,120
Yeah.

401
00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:28,120
It was just in circles.

402
00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:29,120
It was way up.

403
00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:30,760
It was just in circles.

404
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,280
And so basically we indeed...

405
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,040
They took the batteries down because we couldn't charge the batteries up.

406
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,040
They took our...

407
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,720
Yeah, of course.

408
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,520
And so basically the next step, it was, okay, well now we need to sleep here, but we have

409
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,880
bears around us.

410
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,080
So is this safe?

411
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,080
Is this safe?

412
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,800
But one thing that it was important is that our food, it was protected.

413
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:59,000
So because they put the food in the plastic bag on a tree.

414
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000
Yeah.

415
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,720
At least the food is protected.

416
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:02,720
We might...

417
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,720
Okay, we're going to sleep in a tent.

418
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:11,000
At least they will be food.

419
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:17,080
And I think that in this moment we just didn't get concerned and just, okay, let's just sleep.

420
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,080
Let's just...

421
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,200
Everything going to be okay, we believe.

422
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,320
And I fell asleep straight away.

423
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:35,680
And in the next morning when I opened the tent, literally 50 centimeters from the tent,

424
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:42,040
we found there a little present that the bear...

425
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,040
It was a dark present.

426
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,040
Massive.

427
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,040
Massive, actually.

428
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,040
It was big.

429
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,840
And I look at the tree, the food is there.

430
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,240
So actually the food is just protected.

431
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,240
We are safe.

432
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,600
And then we sleep here.

433
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,760
So actually they were not interested with us and that is...

434
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:58,760
It was pretty...

435
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,160
I think that it was pretty nice.

436
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:06,120
So during the night the bear came to your tent and did its thing in front of you.

437
00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:07,120
Definitely.

438
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:08,120
Wow.

439
00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:10,320
He really could stand in their toilets.

440
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,320
Yeah, could be.

441
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,320
Maybe, I don't know.

442
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:18,720
Unfortunately, we didn't have any camera pointing to our tent because the cameras were

443
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,280
in the other side trying to get the bears.

444
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,280
Camera traps.

445
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,080
And so we don't know exactly what happened around us.

446
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,760
But the thing is that sometimes you don't need to know.

447
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:30,760
No, exactly.

448
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,000
At least the bears were well fed.

449
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,040
Do you think it would have been different if they didn't have the dead sheep there?

450
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,600
Never know, right?

451
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,600
Never know.

452
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,280
They were definitely not hungry because they had been having a feast on that mountain for

453
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,280
a while now.

454
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,720
And so, yeah, we were probably not interested.

455
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:52,640
But interesting enough, in the feces that was left as a message, you can see still a

456
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,640
lot of berries.

457
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,640
Berries, yeah.

458
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,640
Okay.

459
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,000
Lots of frost there.

460
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,040
So it wasn't only carnivores.

461
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,040
No, definitely not.

462
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,040
Meals.

463
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,040
Yeah.

464
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,040
Recently.

465
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,040
Wow.

466
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,040
That's amazing.

467
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,040
And they're so huge when they're up close.

468
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,320
I mean, I've had the pleasure of working with them in the zoo.

469
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,600
And even from a distance as a visitor, you think, oh, they're not that big.

470
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,600
But then when you get close, oh my God, they are huge.

471
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,640
Yeah, yeah.

472
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,640
Yeah.

473
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,160
European bears, yeah.

474
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,160
Fantastic.

475
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,600
And well, did the donkey ever come back to help you get done?

476
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:30,600
No.

477
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,600
Never saw a donkey again.

478
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:32,600
Never saw a donkey.

479
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,600
Definitely will learn a lesson.

480
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:36,600
Really, yeah.

481
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,800
The donkey was less patient with the guides than you are.

482
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:40,800
Oh, definitely.

483
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,800
Probably.

484
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,800
Yes.

485
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,800
Oh, God.

486
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,800
Yeah, no, it was good.

487
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:53,080
It was actually, it was a great experience to film these wild animals.

488
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:59,720
Yeah, but it just also shows how ready you have to be to jump on a plane when you hear

489
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,160
a rumor from a shepherd.

490
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,640
I mean, that's apparently the kind of thing you have to do to get these super rare special

491
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,560
shots that we just on a Saturday night or a Sunday night see on TV.

492
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,120
That takes you a long time.

493
00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:15,120
Yeah.

494
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:16,120
Wow.

495
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:17,120
Yeah, that's cool.

496
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:18,120
I love that.

497
00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,400
That's those behind the scenes stories.

498
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,060
That's fantastic.

499
00:23:23,060 --> 00:23:28,120
And you know, bears, always good.

500
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:32,440
But that was in Europe, but you also went to, well, I said 50 countries, right?

501
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:40,200
I think you have one story from Kenya that I have not heard from you yet, I think.

502
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,200
No, yeah.

503
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,120
This is a nice story.

504
00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:53,880
It's in a way different from this one, the previous story.

505
00:23:53,880 --> 00:24:02,040
So basically a few years ago, we had a little project and we needed to go to Africa, to

506
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,640
Kenya to find these beautiful animals.

507
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:15,160
So basically the idea is that we went to, we spent a few days in the coastal area and

508
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:21,320
we wanted to go to a national park to film mainly elephants and buffalo and lions as

509
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:27,240
well and as well another species that we were lucky enough to find.

510
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,200
And so basically it was not the last minute planned.

511
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,200
Okay.

512
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,000
So it was more planned.

513
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,000
It was more planned.

514
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:44,620
So we actually, we have everything planned that we were in the coast, but we will go

515
00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:48,320
a little bit deeper in the country to the national park.

516
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,760
And this national park was not, we were not sure.

517
00:24:51,760 --> 00:25:00,120
Obviously we didn't know how long we will take to go there, but the true is that to

518
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:09,040
go there, the way to go, we took not more than three and a half hours, even probably

519
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,040
pretty fast.

520
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,040
By car.

521
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:17,160
So basically we were, we travel in this nice van that when we saw it for the first time,

522
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:24,480
we didn't believe that it was that nice or it was that much power.

523
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:30,440
And so in our guide, he was, I need to say that he was a very skilled driver.

524
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,440
Okay.

525
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,440
Yeah.

526
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,520
Even he definitely like to go faster.

527
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:42,240
You took this van straight from the airport, so you just, you planned your trip, you arrived

528
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,240
and then you...

529
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:50,040
We took the coast where our accommodation was and from there we would also spend some

530
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,560
time, move into the national parking land and from there.

531
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,560
Yeah.

532
00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:01,840
And so, but the trip, it was pretty smoothly because we noticed that he liked to go in

533
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,200
shortcuts, that it was not always in the main road, right?

534
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:13,880
We are talking about different kind of infrastructures from Europe, right?

535
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:20,000
And we went, the most part of the time we use this nice road, but sometimes if they

536
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,440
were a light in a way, he thought, nah, I'm not going to wait.

537
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,440
And he just took the shortcut.

538
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,440
Yeah.

539
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,440
And he knew his way.

540
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,440
He knew his way.

541
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,440
He knew what to do.

542
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,440
Perfect.

543
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,440
Perfect guy.

544
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,440
Okay.

545
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,440
So we arrived to this national park.

546
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,440
We filmed everything that we needed to film.

547
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:38,840
We filmed elephants, we filmed lions, we filmed hyenas as well.

548
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:39,840
Yeah.

549
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,320
Lots of beautiful, the rose owl as well.

550
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,880
I mean, you say that really quickly now, but that's all amazing.

551
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,880
Of course.

552
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,880
Yeah.

553
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,880
No, definitely.

554
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,880
Definitely.

555
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,880
Definitely.

556
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,880
Everyone should go to Kenya.

557
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,880
It's a wonderful country.

558
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:54,880
Yeah.

559
00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:01,440
And so for wildlife, not only as well for the human part is wonderful.

560
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,080
And so, and so, okay, so basically our job, it was done.

561
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,600
So it was time to go back.

562
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,360
And the idea is that once again, we will go-

563
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,360
This was like a few days later, right?

564
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:13,360
Yeah.

565
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:14,360
Yes.

566
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:15,360
No, it was a few days.

567
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,080
But the idea is that we will return early in the morning.

568
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,280
And we knew that we will take roughly three hours to go back.

569
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,720
And then during the afternoon we had another appointment.

570
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,160
So we should be fast.

571
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,800
The true is that, so we said to our guide, okay, let's go.

572
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,800
Well, how long are you going to-

573
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,160
You say, no, it will be the same.

574
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,520
And before lunch we're going to be there.

575
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,960
Okay, great.

576
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:44,560
And so, but we, we note, we along the way, we notice again that he was, he was for shortcuts.

577
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,560
And so, okay, he's already, he's trying, you know, you know that you need to be in our

578
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,160
next location fast.

579
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,720
So he's going as fast as he can.

580
00:27:53,720 --> 00:28:03,000
The thing is that, that when we arrived to Mombasa to go to our accommodation, we needed

581
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,760
to cross a bridge.

582
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:13,560
But the thing is that it was a huge traffic jam to go past the bridge.

583
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,200
And we said, okay, this is complicated.

584
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:21,440
And so we really see with our eyes the meaning about a traffic jam in Mombasa.

585
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,680
It was interesting.

586
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,600
Everyone very upset, weeping all the time.

587
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,560
It was really, it was just funny.

588
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,720
It was, let's call it.

589
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,720
Sounds like chaos.

590
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Yeah.

591
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,000
No, no, no, not at all.

592
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,720
And so, and so basically, and we asked him, but okay.

593
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:43,640
And now, and obviously he wanted to bring us to our accommodation as fast as he could.

594
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,240
And he thought it's starting to think in alternatives, but the time was passing obviously.

595
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,640
And because we thought, okay, maybe, maybe, maybe something, maybe, maybe the bridge is

596
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,240
going to be, going to be free very soon.

597
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,640
But the thing is that they started to talk with each other.

598
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,880
He went out and they asked what is going on.

599
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:02,880
And so what happened?

600
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:09,080
But then he would like come to like, not like a blocked road basically.

601
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,280
And then he would chat to someone and then you would turn around and go a different way.

602
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Oh, yeah.

603
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,600
And then a little bit off road and then back onto the road.

604
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,760
And then there was a policeman who said, can I go through here?

605
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,760
He said, no, you can't go through here.

606
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,240
Okay, go back the other way.

607
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,120
So he's doing these, all these circles.

608
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:29,240
And then at one point he stopped and he said, okay, turn around to his guys.

609
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,240
There's a problem.

610
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,320
It's going to take a long time to get back to your accommodation.

611
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,560
He said, he said, gonna take a long time if we stay here in the traffic jam.

612
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,560
Yeah, anyway.

613
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,560
When we're going to.

614
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,120
So what happened?

615
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,120
Because something happened on the bridge.

616
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,120
Yeah.

617
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,440
On the bridge, they apparently had like a railroad.

618
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,920
And so what happened was the train, this is what we were told at the time, the train fell

619
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,320
off the bridge into the water.

620
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,320
Yeah.

621
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,720
And blocked the motorway as well.

622
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Wow.

623
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,360
So he wouldn't get into the city.

624
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:08,160
And so then he turned around to us and said, look, I know another way, but it's going to

625
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,160
take a long time.

626
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,600
Or we can sit here and wait and we don't know how long it's going to take until they clear

627
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,560
the road, which sounded like.

628
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,560
Eternity.

629
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,560
Like it would take days basically.

630
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,560
Oh dear.

631
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,560
Yeah.

632
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,560
Let's go the other way.

633
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,800
The thing is that we are talking that way.

634
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Let's go to the other way.

635
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,440
But we had, we asked him, but is he safe?

636
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,920
Because it doesn't matter where you are.

637
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,240
If we have the camera equipment, it's always risk associated.

638
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,400
The part from our points is always a risk.

639
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,400
And okay.

640
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,400
And he said, no, it's okay.

641
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,400
No problem.

642
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,400
No problem.

643
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,400
Okay.

644
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,400
So let's go.

645
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:53,240
And so, and so the guy just, just started his journey as fast as he could.

646
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,440
And and, and at this time we really were in a different part of the city that we didn't

647
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,900
see in the park.

648
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:06,440
And so, and so now, now we thought, okay, let's, let's go.

649
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,200
And he was starting to drive in the dirty roads.

650
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,200
And there's villages.

651
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,360
It was kind of, we really see a different part.

652
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:22,320
And suddenly when we, when we arrived to that road that supposedly will give us access to

653
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:28,960
the other side, it was, it was as well a huge traffic jam because like everyone, it was

654
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,440
native there and knew the roads.

655
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,360
Everyone was trying to find the alternative.

656
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,360
Yeah.

657
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,760
But the thing is that for us, obviously that in that moment we are thinking, wow, what

658
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,720
is this because we are not from there and what is this?

659
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,360
This is really a lot of traffic.

660
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,120
And so, and, and the guy was going up the hill, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up.

661
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,960
And suddenly we arrived to the top of the hill.

662
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,720
And for our surprise, we were where, my God.

663
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,560
At the top of the hill, there was a massive landfill.

664
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,960
Oh, all right.

665
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,520
The middle of the road went through the middle of this landfill.

666
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,520
Absolutely humongous.

667
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,520
Yes.

668
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,480
And so, and yeah, and so that was the traffic jam was going through there.

669
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,480
Yeah.

670
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,680
And we were thinking, okay, this, this is interesting.

671
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:21,160
And then we got to the top and of course it was smelled so bad.

672
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,160
Yeah, of course.

673
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,480
We got rubbish everywhere.

674
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,000
And we, and we stopped at one point of most of the time we would stop.

675
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,520
But at this point at the top, we then looked outside the window and you could just see

676
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:36,680
like, because it rained a lot in the last week's month.

677
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:42,080
More than usual, you had these puddles and you could see the mosquitoes.

678
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,680
And we were thinking, okay, this doesn't look very safe.

679
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,680
No.

680
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,280
And the light said to us, we, we said to us, close the windows.

681
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,440
And we saw, okay, we need to close the windows because indeed we and everyone, everyone that

682
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,000
was there could be sick.

683
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,120
Just without, I don't know, they could, if a mosquito decides it's, it's what it is.

684
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,280
This is what it is.

685
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,520
And so, and he said to us, just close the windows.

686
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,520
Everything is okay.

687
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,560
And so, okay, but what is going on?

688
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,920
And so, and he said, ah, we will see it in a bit.

689
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,920
And so when, as soon that he was able to drive a little bit more, we understood that now

690
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,560
everyone else was trying to find their way out in two trucks.

691
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,880
One truck was literally, it was kind of toppling over.

692
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,880
Yeah.

693
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,880
The, yeah.

694
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:38,080
And so basically the ground there was very soft lane and the trucks wanted to also find

695
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:45,200
a route into the city and they were, the ground was too soft and, and, and an oncoming truck,

696
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,160
they had to obviously go into the rubbish and then obviously they pretty much fell over.

697
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,160
Fell over.

698
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,160
Yeah.

699
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,040
So it was the second one.

700
00:33:54,040 --> 00:34:00,280
And so, and the, the funny is that while we are waiting in the, in this van, we also noticed

701
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:06,160
that a lot of kids were coming because of the attraction.

702
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,480
And so they wanted to see who is inside the van just out of curiosity.

703
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,640
And we thought it's going to be, this is funny because in a way we think, okay, we need also

704
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:20,000
to be as much, we are, they, they just think we are tourists.

705
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,720
And so we should not anyway be attracted for anyone really.

706
00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:29,160
Because our idea there, it was to get out of that place, but everyone that was there

707
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,920
just wanted to get out of that place.

708
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:37,080
And actually all these kids revealed themselves very useful because then they were really,

709
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:43,160
everyone tried to push the cars and push, push the trucks just for us to be able.

710
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,760
But the thing that our driver, it was very, very skilled and it was also, he didn't have

711
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,160
too much patient and he just, he just thought, I don't care.

712
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:56,720
And he just, he just decided to just drive into the landfill, try to find this hardest

713
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:58,360
way and the hardest part.

714
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,360
Yeah.

715
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,680
You just, I don't know.

716
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,160
If you get stuck there, you are in trouble.

717
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:11,120
We were using for like going in the, in the wild, trying to look for wildlife was now

718
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,280
being used off-road in a, in a landfill.

719
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,080
But luckily it was strong enough and he just made his own road, you know, everyone else

720
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,080
was still waiting.

721
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,080
He just went around everything.

722
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:29,640
And then managed to get the, get the van through at much, much of, you know, annoyance of some

723
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,840
of the other people in the queue.

724
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,840
Yeah.

725
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,200
But he made his own way, didn't he?

726
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,520
And finally got past all of this mess, which was, it was literally a mess.

727
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,800
It was literally the mess.

728
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:48,400
But, and so obviously the other cars also followed him and luckily we are, we are out

729
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,400
of this mess.

730
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,160
And we understand that we were kind of impressed because, because the guy, it was, it was a

731
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,800
really good one.

732
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:01,840
And then he revealed to us that he was actually a politician and he actually, then he passed

733
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,680
into this village and he showed that that is me because he was running for the last

734
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,080
election, something local.

735
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,080
Yeah.

736
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,080
Yeah.

737
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:16,560
We didn't obviously, we didn't know that, but it was in a way nice because we were protected

738
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,800
because the guy was really respected and the people knew him.

739
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,280
Everyone said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

740
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,280
It was okay.

741
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,280
Nice.

742
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,280
Nice.

743
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,280
This is cool.

744
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,760
And then the guy just, just took us back to our accommodation as fast as he could.

745
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,200
But obviously that this trip, we starting at eight, we were there just after dinner.

746
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,200
Okay.

747
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,200
It was fine.

748
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,200
It was long.

749
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,200
No, no.

750
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,200
We got back at 10 PM.

751
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,200
Yeah.

752
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,200
But it was after dinner.

753
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,200
Yeah.

754
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,200
After dinner.

755
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,520
Well, did you see the Mombasa landfill up close?

756
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,520
That's.

757
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:52,560
It's obviously, it's a problem everywhere, these landfills and there's no difference.

758
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:59,280
The difference is that it's in the middle of the city between people's houses and you

759
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,280
just drive.

760
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,280
Yeah, exactly.

761
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,280
Yeah.

762
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,280
Wow.

763
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,280
Yeah.

764
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,280
That's a different thing.

765
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,280
Yeah.

766
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,120
In a way, obviously it was, we had access to this reality, but in a way it was not shocking.

767
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,480
You know, it was like, it's what it is.

768
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,120
The thing is that is exactly what it is because even in Europe or anywhere, there is open

769
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,120
landfills that.

770
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Sure.

771
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,120
It's the only way to go, you go.

772
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,320
You need to pass in your car and it's what it is.

773
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,480
Well, the driver was a hero in that one.

774
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,480
Yeah, definitely.

775
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,480
He was a cool guy, cool person.

776
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,480
Yeah.

777
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,480
We got home.

778
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,480
Okay.

779
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:41,320
Well, you know, I always, as a close place, I always like Morocco because, you know, working

780
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,520
in Portugal, you can get across quite, quite easily.

781
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,480
And it's an amazing country because it has, you know, snowy mountains, deserts, Mediterranean,

782
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,480
ocean.

783
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,400
It's, it's got pretty much everything, right?

784
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,400
Oh yeah.

785
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,400
Oh yeah.

786
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,400
Yeah.

787
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,160
You've been there as well, I think filming the super special Barbary Macaques.

788
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,160
We did.

789
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,160
We did.

790
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Yes.

791
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:16,040
We made a film, a full film about Barbary Macaques back in 2014, actually, a year ago.

792
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:24,120
And we went there every season to follow them and film them and tell their life story.

793
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,800
So we spent a lot of time in Morocco.

794
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,800
We did.

795
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,800
We did.

796
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,960
They live in the Atlas Mountains, right?

797
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,440
In the forests there.

798
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,440
Yep.

799
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,440
Yep.

800
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,360
And they're the only monkey that exists in North Africa.

801
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,520
And they used to exist in Europe as well.

802
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:41,520
Yeah.

803
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,520
A long time ago.

804
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,520
Yeah.

805
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:52,120
Actually, for this production, we, in one moment, we also found that it was found a

806
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,120
little bit of a jaw.

807
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,120
Barbary Macaques jaw as a fossil.

808
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,120
And they...

809
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,120
Neurotidam.

810
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,120
Neurotidam, actually.

811
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,120
And so actually we talk.

812
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Oh, wow.

813
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,720
We talk with one of the experts about it.

814
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:11,720
What is it about 10,000 years ago that Barbary Macaques in this country?

815
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:12,720
Wow.

816
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:19,360
Well, I mean, they are in the rock of Gibraltar, I think, but for the rest, mainland Europe?

817
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,360
No.

818
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,360
Yeah.

819
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,360
They were here.

820
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,360
Yeah.

821
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:30,400
But yeah, we have amazing stories that we had in the forests of Morocco, filming these

822
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,400
animals.

823
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,560
There's one particular one that kind of stands out.

824
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,720
So we'd already filmed in the snowy winter.

825
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:44,040
We filmed in the spring, the new babies.

826
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,680
We filmed in the hot summer.

827
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,120
And now we were in autumn.

828
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,880
So we're coming to the last season to film.

829
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,680
And so autumn is an interesting time.

830
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Yeah.

831
00:39:54,680 --> 00:40:03,840
Let me just add that when we went there, we had a little team, but the situation, it was

832
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,840
up and just to us.

833
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,920
And it's important to say as well that we were always at our biologist, that she was

834
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,440
kind of guiding us through these animals, because we are talking about animals that

835
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:22,760
the Barbary Macaque, the most part of the people are not familiarized with them on the

836
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:29,160
forest, but they live in the forest and it's really their habitat and where they belong.

837
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,520
And so to see them there, it's priceless.

838
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,520
It's completely priceless.

839
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,960
It was a great experience to see them.

840
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,180
They really make sense with that beautiful cedar trees.

841
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:44,920
You can really smell the cedar trees.

842
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,480
You see the monkeys.

843
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,480
It's unbelievable.

844
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,200
It's real for us.

845
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,200
We are talking as well.

846
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,000
It's impressive forest.

847
00:40:53,000 --> 00:41:00,640
I mean, people don't realize how humid and gorgeous the Atlas Mountains are with completely

848
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:08,160
forested huge trees and these green mountain tops and everything.

849
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,160
I really like it there.

850
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,160
That's special.

851
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,160
Okay.

852
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,160
But so, sorry, go on.

853
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,160
It's a wonderful place to go.

854
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:22,160
And probably now because recently with all the problems that they have there, everyone

855
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:27,480
should go and help them and it's important to go there.

856
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,480
It's really important.

857
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,480
Okay.

858
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,480
But move forward.

859
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,400
So basically we knew how nice these animals could be.

860
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,920
We never were close enough.

861
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,800
We were never close, that close to them.

862
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,640
We always kept our distance, quite a good distance.

863
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,640
Sure.

864
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,840
They were not aggressive.

865
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,720
They were not aggressive behavior.

866
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,320
We should never look at animals into their eyes or anything.

867
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:57,320
We should act like, yeah, it's, I don't know, in a way they knew us, but they didn't know

868
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,320
us from anywhere.

869
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,320
Do you know?

870
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,320
They accept us.

871
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,320
Yeah.

872
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,320
So basically keep...

873
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,320
No, no.

874
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,320
So this was in autumn.

875
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,160
So we'd already filmed a lot of their lives throughout the years and this was going to

876
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,600
be the last season that we need to discover.

877
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,760
But autumn is also an interesting time because it's also the mating season.

878
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:23,640
So that means the tensions are running a little bit higher amongst the bartern cacks.

879
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:29,400
And so it was interesting because we were doing some really nice stuff with like gimbals

880
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,720
at the time and following them.

881
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,000
A gimbal is like a stabilized camera platform.

882
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:40,400
We were trying to get some really nice groups moving through the forest.

883
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,520
And we also were recording sound.

884
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:49,120
And sound is also very important when you're making films because that's almost 50% of

885
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,640
the film is the sound.

886
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,160
And so we were walking up this hill.

887
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,360
It was already quite stormy, wasn't it?

888
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,360
It was like the thunder.

889
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,600
There was kind of a thunderstorm brewing.

890
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Yeah.

891
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:07,480
We were filming there, both of us, and also sound.

892
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,680
And we got to this one point where we're filming kind of little squabbles going on between

893
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:13,680
the monkeys.

894
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,680
They were tense.

895
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:23,400
And that was good because we wanted to tell the story of their mating rituals and the

896
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,920
little fights that break out between the males because they want to mate with the females

897
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,920
and everything.

898
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,000
That's all part of the story that we're telling.

899
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,120
And then at one point, I think you had the microphone at that point.

900
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:44,680
We were in this one really beautiful forest and the microphone was quite high.

901
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:45,920
I was making sound.

902
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,240
And it's important to say that these animals, they really use the trees.

903
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,400
They were trees.

904
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:57,680
And so if they were making a sound above me, I could easily put the microphone, keeping

905
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,680
the distance.

906
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,480
Okay, keeping the distance.

907
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,440
And the sounds were pretty nice.

908
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,000
And so far, no problems at all.

909
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,000
No problems.

910
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,720
They knew that we were there, but they didn't care about us.

911
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:14,280
And we were just making the sound.

912
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:22,360
And so basically for some reason, our microphone, it was fluffy.

913
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,040
I was just like that.

914
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:29,200
And for some reason, one of them looked at the microphone and he thought that it was

915
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,760
maybe another animal.

916
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,760
I don't know what he thought.

917
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:32,760
Sure.

918
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:33,760
Yeah.

919
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,760
Yeah.

920
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,760
They look very fluffy, right?

921
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,760
Yeah.

922
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,880
And when the animal looked at the microphone, they look at us.

923
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,880
They suddenly turned all their face.

924
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,000
Well, the one looked at you, right?

925
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
They look at me and turn his face.

926
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,680
And literally, I don't know how suddenly we were surrounded by monkeys.

927
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,320
All of them turned their heads towards us.

928
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,320
And they just surrounded us.

929
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,320
And started coming closer.

930
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,320
Yeah.

931
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,320
Oh, wow.

932
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,320
Thinking, get them.

933
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,320
Get them.

934
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:10,080
And it was like, look, guys, it was almost like a, I wouldn't say a horror movie, but

935
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,080
it was similar that suddenly they just all turned their faces.

936
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,360
Oh, coming closer, making noises.

937
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,520
Making so, but the thing is that we are talking about, they are not that big.

938
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,720
No, but they're so strong.

939
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:25,720
They are.

940
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,760
And in this moment, they look giant.

941
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:35,440
I don't know, when we were in this situation, we were, oh my God, they were just surrounding

942
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,440
us.

943
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,400
It's like, oh, we're going to do, I just, I just said to him, don't breathe.

944
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:47,120
And so I have, I really have the feeling that I stopped my heart, just stopped them and

945
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,120
we didn't breathe.

946
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:54,200
We're just, I don't know, acting like rocks and slowly moving backwards.

947
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,200
Yeah.

948
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,880
And then we kind of decided, okay, we need to walk backwards out of situations.

949
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:04,760
If something, if they decided to attack us for the reason of the microphone, they will

950
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,760
do it, you know?

951
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,080
And we just thought, okay, let's just play safe.

952
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,560
Go slowly.

953
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,560
We know them.

954
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,560
It's okay.

955
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,280
We just go slowly.

956
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,280
Don't breathe.

957
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,280
Slowly, slowly.

958
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,920
One step at a time.

959
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,040
And as, and these, these mic is out of our hands.

960
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,800
But their surrounding is behind as well.

961
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,840
It was, it, we were really thinking, okay, let's see, let's see.

962
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:34,080
But we slowly, slowly, but then these, these mic is there.

963
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,720
They are really leaving the hierarchy.

964
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:41,880
So you have the miles and we have the ones that are not, are below.

965
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:42,880
Sure.

966
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,440
And so, and pretty much they followed the mile.

967
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:51,040
And so, and the mile, if you look at those, you thought, nah, they are not interesting.

968
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,240
And suddenly divert the attention, like a way to say, hey guys, stop, it's okay.

969
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:59,520
And they just relax.

970
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,040
And they just carry on their life.

971
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,520
You know, it's just, they just know it's interesting and they just move on and keep, keep doing

972
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,520
their stuff.

973
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,520
And we slowly.

974
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,520
We could leave.

975
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:12,520
Leave.

976
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,520
And.

977
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:21,400
Basically the big alpha male, he, for some reason he saw some, this happening from a

978
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,880
distance and he came running over and we thought he was obviously also going to get involved

979
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:34,000
in the, in intimidating us, but he made a U-turn at the last moment in front of us and

980
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,960
looked at all the other monkeys and told them like, stop, stop.

981
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:38,960
No more.

982
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:39,960
Wow.

983
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,960
Really?

984
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:41,960
Yeah.

985
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,240
Because he knew, he knew that we were not what the other monkeys were thinking we were.

986
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:47,240
Yeah.

987
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:50,840
Or he thought, okay, it's not worth the energy because these monkeys are interesting because

988
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,720
they, in general, their behavior, they avoid conflict.

989
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:57,760
Yeah.

990
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,440
Because they live in such a habitat, which has such scarcity of food, they cannot waste

991
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,160
energy so much.

992
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:11,360
So they have interesting behaviors where they, they even have one thing called infant buffering,

993
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:17,280
which means that they go and grab a baby, take it to another male who is alpha or is

994
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,520
also quite high and they play with it instead.

995
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,520
Yeah.

996
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,080
And that lowers their heart rate and they get less tense and they don't fight.

997
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,080
Exactly.

998
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:30,520
So it's kind of like the big male is like trying to make peace all the time.

999
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,520
Yeah.

1000
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,560
But yeah, they do, they do have some conflicts, of course in mating season, but you know,

1001
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,240
not as much as other, in the facts.

1002
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:41,160
And definitely they work as a team and that it was wonderful because they were a team

1003
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,680
they saw we were a problem.

1004
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,440
They thought that they were a problem and they were all together to try to.

1005
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,440
Yeah.

1006
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,440
Whatever.

1007
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,440
Wow.

1008
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,120
Did that change your feeling towards them after that incident?

1009
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:03,600
No, definitely I respect them even more because these animals are incredible.

1010
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,720
Before that we were very lucky to observe them to see how they do.

1011
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:13,080
And after this, after this detention moment, it's like, yeah, they have all my respect.

1012
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,480
I really think that these monkeys are wonderful.

1013
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,480
Yeah.

1014
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,480
Yeah.

1015
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,760
Well, I can imagine, I mean, being rescued by the, by the big male kind of.

1016
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,760
Yeah.

1017
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:23,760
Wow.

1018
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,240
I can only imagine how scary that is to have the whole troop looking at you.

1019
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:29,240
It is.

1020
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:30,240
It's like a fire.

1021
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:31,240
Yeah.

1022
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:32,240
It's a fire.

1023
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:33,240
Yeah.

1024
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:34,240
And big teeth.

1025
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:35,240
Big teeth.

1026
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,240
It does, yeah.

1027
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:39,240
Wow.

1028
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:47,160
So we have an audio clip, which you can actually hear.

1029
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,480
The moment that this happened, maybe we can just play it.

1030
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,480
Yeah.

1031
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Let's play that one.

1032
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,480
Let's have a, that's awesome.

1033
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,480
Thanks.

1034
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,480
So it gives you some idea.

1035
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:07,440
Before we get into bad words, if you'd like to ask anything, put it in the comments.

1036
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:22,960
So our next video comes outCan we actually get into bad words?

1037
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,960
Yeah.

1038
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:11,320
It's something like that, that we really can hear.

1039
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:17,560
It was the rain, the thunder.

1040
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,520
Because it was the storm, it was the monkeys fighting in the background, it was us trying

1041
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,680
to, it was the movement because all these noises, me trying, because the microphone

1042
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,960
at that point, I was not recording the sound, I was already trying to hide the microphone.

1043
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:38,160
So it was the microphone and so I got it.

1044
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,160
It sounds very scary.

1045
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,080
I mean, it sounds like chaos pretty much.

1046
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,080
Yeah.

1047
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,240
You hear them fighting in the background?

1048
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,240
Yeah.

1049
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:53,520
Yeah, no, I can, I mean, I've never had an experience like that.

1050
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,360
I've been surrounded by wild boar once that was also a bit scary, but monkeys are way

1051
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:03,040
scarier because they're not big, but they are fast and they're strong and they can take

1052
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,680
on a human easily, right?

1053
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,280
Well, 20 of them easily.

1054
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,360
Well, boars maybe, maybe it's more dangerous, no?

1055
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,360
Well, I survived.

1056
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,360
Yeah.

1057
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,360
Yeah.

1058
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:23,760
Yeah, that was also a tense moment.

1059
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:24,760
Yeah.

1060
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:25,760
Wow.

1061
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,280
Yeah, I would love to see them there in the forest.

1062
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,600
I mean, you made me a little bit more scared now, but I would still want to see them.

1063
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:34,920
I know, but you'll be fine.

1064
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:40,240
It's important to respect them, do not respect them, just don't put your foot in the territory

1065
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:41,640
that doesn't belong to you.

1066
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:42,640
But that-

1067
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,640
Keep your distance.

1068
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:48,920
And the, but that is with every, everything, respect, mainly respect the nature.

1069
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:49,920
Exactly.

1070
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:50,920
Exactly.

1071
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,920
I agree completely.

1072
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:52,920
Oh, wow.

1073
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,640
Yeah, no, that was an amazing story.

1074
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:03,160
And yeah, I can imagine that was an impactful moment also because monkeys really look at

1075
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,160
you, right?

1076
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,640
Like for us humans, this is a communication we can relate to really strongly.

1077
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,000
But you should not look at them.

1078
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,520
You don't know what kind of message you're sending them.

1079
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:15,520
Unless you speak their language.

1080
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,520
No, you should not look at them.

1081
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:23,320
No, I just cross eyes, but sometimes with the humans it's the same.

1082
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,320
Oh yeah.

1083
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:30,840
If you look at human, you're going to get in trouble just out the front door.

1084
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,840
You can't do that.

1085
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,840
No, exactly.

1086
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:35,840
Exactly.

1087
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,280
But that's, yeah, that's what I mean.

1088
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,000
We can understand if you're stared at, that could be an aggressive, aggressive act.

1089
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Yeah.

1090
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,000
Awesome.

1091
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,760
Well, and I also like very much that, you know, you had to come back there in spring

1092
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:56,560
and in summer and in autumn and winter just to get those few shots that we all love so

1093
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:04,080
much of those monkeys in the cedar forests, which are amazing by the way.

1094
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:09,480
And that just shows how much time goes into recording that, you know, getting the monkeys

1095
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,040
to accept you and all that.

1096
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:18,160
And I think people, yeah, it's easy to forget when you watch these fantastic clips.

1097
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:25,480
But you've made some nice making ofs to show how difficult it actually is to get there.

1098
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:30,280
Yeah, fantastic.

1099
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,600
Thank you so much for sharing the stories today.

1100
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,880
The way you guys are working and flying all over the world all the time, I am sure there

1101
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,160
will be more to come.

1102
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,160
I hope so.

1103
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,160
Yeah.

1104
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,960
So one day, please let me know when you have more stories and then we can we can get together

1105
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:54,240
again and hear what else adventures you you encounter on your way to getting us some fantastic

1106
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:55,240
video footage.

1107
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:57,360
Oh, yeah, it will be a pleasure.

1108
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,360
It will be a pleasure to share.

1109
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,360
Yes.

1110
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,560
And before we go, if people want to follow you or want to know more about you, where

1111
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:06,880
should they go?

1112
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,880
Yeah.

1113
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,800
So so we are Atlas Films.

1114
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:18,120
And obviously we have the website that will point to Atlas.org.

1115
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:23,400
We are as well in the Instagram, Facebook and in Israel.

1116
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:28,160
You can follow our latest news on our website that we try to keep it to a plate as much

1117
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,320
as possible.

1118
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:37,960
And yeah, if you have any question or if you want to know, just send us an email or whatever.

1119
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,000
I will put all those links with the description of the podcast for now.

1120
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,880
Anna and Michael, thank you very much.

1121
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:45,880
Thank you.

1122
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:46,880
Thank you.

1123
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:47,880
Bye bye.