WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.299 If you haven't heard about menopause and skin, 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:08.240 you're living under a rock. Today, we're talking 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:11.759 about how menopause changes skin and maybe not 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:15.720 your skin, but your 40 plus clients skin and 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:19.239 what you can do to better support them. Thanks 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:22.339 for joining. I'm Doreen, brand and content strategist 00:00:22.339 --> 00:00:25.429 and former esthetician. And I'm Suzanne, Sadeska 00:00:25.429 --> 00:00:28.530 Certified Esthetician with over 30 years, former 00:00:28.530 --> 00:00:31.989 spa owner and now educator mentor to beauty pros. 00:00:34.409 --> 00:00:36.289 So today, Suzanne, we're talking about a subject 00:00:36.289 --> 00:00:40.229 that is everywhere. It's in all my feed and everywhere 00:00:40.229 --> 00:00:43.590 I turn, which is perimenopause and menopause. 00:00:44.900 --> 00:00:49.119 If our listeners or viewers are maybe under the 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:51.840 age of 40, they may not be getting this information, 00:00:51.899 --> 00:00:57.500 actually, because perimenopause basically starts 00:00:57.500 --> 00:01:00.280 in your early 40s, right? And then from there, 00:01:00.500 --> 00:01:04.680 we get into menopause. And like everything that 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:06.519 happens to us women, it's going to affect our 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.420 skin. But before we get kind of really into what 00:01:10.420 --> 00:01:14.230 happens to the skin, Maybe we can just talk a 00:01:14.230 --> 00:01:17.370 little bit more about what menopause is so that 00:01:17.370 --> 00:01:20.989 it's just a little easier for our listeners to 00:01:20.989 --> 00:01:24.409 understand. So I know a lot of people say, oh, 00:01:24.409 --> 00:01:28.909 it can happen earlier than 40. Fun fact, it's 00:01:28.909 --> 00:01:33.450 only 1 % are affected under 40. So it's not as 00:01:33.450 --> 00:01:35.939 big as what people think it is. It could be the 00:01:35.939 --> 00:01:39.159 beginning, for sure, starting it, maybe just 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:41.400 hovering it, especially if you've had kids, things 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.799 like that, hormone imbalances. But it's typically 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:51.379 that 40 to 44. And when people look at it, it's 00:01:51.379 --> 00:01:55.099 after you've stopped menstruating for 12 months, 00:01:55.739 --> 00:01:58.319 then you're considered. That's their scientific 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:01.969 definition, I guess you could say. So I just 00:02:01.969 --> 00:02:04.170 want to clarify a little bit. So there's the 00:02:04.170 --> 00:02:06.769 term perimenopause, and perimenopause is actually 00:02:06.769 --> 00:02:09.669 the things that happen to you before you go into 00:02:09.669 --> 00:02:13.030 menopause. And in perimenopause, which usually 00:02:13.030 --> 00:02:15.590 typically starts in your early 40s, you start 00:02:15.590 --> 00:02:17.830 to notice some changes, but you're still getting 00:02:17.830 --> 00:02:20.509 your period. It might be a little bit more irregular. 00:02:21.689 --> 00:02:24.009 And you might start to notice the changes in 00:02:24.009 --> 00:02:28.509 your skin in perimenopause. But menopause itself 00:02:28.509 --> 00:02:32.289 is like a moment in time. It's like the day that 00:02:32.289 --> 00:02:34.750 it's been 12 months since you've had your period. 00:02:35.030 --> 00:02:37.270 And I think anything after that day is called 00:02:37.270 --> 00:02:41.490 post -menopause. But I think in general speaking, 00:02:41.870 --> 00:02:45.009 sometimes people talk about menopause is an umbrella 00:02:45.009 --> 00:02:48.669 term that includes perimenopause, menopause and 00:02:48.669 --> 00:02:51.430 post -menopause. And I think for the sake of 00:02:51.430 --> 00:02:55.659 this episode if we're saying menopause we are 00:02:55.659 --> 00:02:59.580 using it in that broad term to include perimenopause 00:02:59.580 --> 00:03:02.780 and post menopause as well just because it's 00:03:02.780 --> 00:03:06.939 easier because the changes that are happening 00:03:06.939 --> 00:03:10.520 you know they they kind of go all the way through 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:14.379 and menopause can last up to 10 years so if you're 00:03:14.379 --> 00:03:16.919 not in your 40s this is something to look forward 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:21.800 to so exciting for you guys But it's true because 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:25.740 then if you understand this, especially for skin 00:03:25.740 --> 00:03:30.080 care technicians or body care technicians, the 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.560 skin is the biggest part that's impacted with 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.939 everything else. But it's really understanding 00:03:36.939 --> 00:03:40.900 what happens because so many people say, I don't 00:03:40.900 --> 00:03:43.300 know what happened this year. It was like, boom, 00:03:43.340 --> 00:03:46.259 it just hit. Everything's falling apart. My body, 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:50.430 my skin, my hair, my nails. And that's when they 00:03:50.430 --> 00:03:53.289 awaken to see it. But it really, like you said, 00:03:53.349 --> 00:03:56.770 did start sooner. It's just a very slow process. 00:03:56.930 --> 00:03:59.930 And then I feel like you just fall off a cliff 00:03:59.930 --> 00:04:02.550 and you get up and go, what happened? How'd that 00:04:02.550 --> 00:04:05.810 happen? It's kind of what it feels like, I think. 00:04:07.490 --> 00:04:10.930 But really, the big thing of it all is the decrease 00:04:10.930 --> 00:04:14.050 of estrogen that happens. And then it's a very 00:04:14.050 --> 00:04:17.009 slow decline. and then all of a sudden it could 00:04:17.009 --> 00:04:20.569 be medical procedures, it could be medications, 00:04:20.730 --> 00:04:22.970 it could be a lot of things that cause it to 00:04:22.970 --> 00:04:27.389 just, it's ended drastically like that. But then 00:04:27.389 --> 00:04:30.670 we know when that happens, it decreases lots 00:04:30.670 --> 00:04:32.550 of things, but we're talking skin, it's going 00:04:32.550 --> 00:04:34.810 to decrease your elastin collagen production. 00:04:35.629 --> 00:04:38.009 So that's where you're going to start to see 00:04:38.009 --> 00:04:41.129 the firmness start to loosen a lot quicker. And 00:04:41.129 --> 00:04:43.389 that ends up being just body wise. Like people, 00:04:43.550 --> 00:04:46.670 it's not just the skin, it's the face. People 00:04:46.670 --> 00:04:49.189 start to notice, you know, going on with my neck 00:04:49.189 --> 00:04:51.750 or the back of my arms or my tummy, my inner 00:04:51.750 --> 00:04:56.329 thighs, or there's like this decrease of elasticity 00:04:56.329 --> 00:05:00.069 and you see a little more wrinkles. um it looks 00:05:00.069 --> 00:05:03.610 like dehydration sagginess yeah thinner skin 00:05:03.610 --> 00:05:06.709 maybe more sensitive like the cheeks are a little 00:05:06.709 --> 00:05:08.689 more sensitive than you've ever had in your life 00:05:08.689 --> 00:05:11.670 right as all of a sudden why am i so rosy you 00:05:11.670 --> 00:05:13.649 know there's a lot of things the dryness the 00:05:13.649 --> 00:05:17.230 dehydration yeah there's a lot of also hyperpigmentation 00:05:17.230 --> 00:05:19.610 and acne because you know why not kick you when 00:05:19.610 --> 00:05:24.329 you're down but i think too like this is important 00:05:24.329 --> 00:05:27.990 to note for any service provider, because if 00:05:27.990 --> 00:05:31.170 you're a wax tech and your older clients come 00:05:31.170 --> 00:05:32.970 in, they're going to have thinner, drier skin, 00:05:33.170 --> 00:05:35.389 you need to take precautions. You need to make 00:05:35.389 --> 00:05:38.670 sure you're holding that skin real nice and tight, 00:05:39.189 --> 00:05:41.930 maybe a bit more than your younger clients, but 00:05:41.930 --> 00:05:45.230 also ensuring you're avoiding lifting and all 00:05:45.230 --> 00:05:47.029 that. And then the sensitivity, right? They can 00:05:47.029 --> 00:05:50.029 all of a sudden become more sensitive. I've had 00:05:50.029 --> 00:05:51.389 people reach out saying, you know, I've been 00:05:51.389 --> 00:05:53.709 waxing my client for years and now she's red. 00:05:53.790 --> 00:05:55.290 Her legs are red. What's going on? And I said, 00:05:55.350 --> 00:05:58.149 how old is she? I was asked, is there hormone 00:05:58.149 --> 00:06:00.110 changes happening? What's going on with her? 00:06:00.189 --> 00:06:02.709 And that's why we brought this topic up, because 00:06:02.709 --> 00:06:05.810 it does reflect the whole beauty industry, all 00:06:05.810 --> 00:06:09.110 services, really. And one thing we talked about 00:06:09.110 --> 00:06:12.629 was, you know, I don't think any of us have on 00:06:12.629 --> 00:06:16.509 the intake form. Are you in perimenopause? Maybe 00:06:16.509 --> 00:06:19.470 you do. I don't know. But a lot of times if you 00:06:19.470 --> 00:06:23.430 have an age or a birthdate for your client, you 00:06:23.430 --> 00:06:26.410 can kind of guess their age. Depending on how 00:06:26.410 --> 00:06:29.029 long you've been with your client or your client 00:06:29.029 --> 00:06:30.870 has been with you, there could be that established 00:06:30.870 --> 00:06:32.870 relationship and rapport where you can start 00:06:32.870 --> 00:06:36.850 asking questions. I think at that point, your 00:06:36.850 --> 00:06:39.930 clients will ask you questions too, being like, 00:06:39.970 --> 00:06:42.269 I've been noticing my skin's like a lot more 00:06:42.269 --> 00:06:46.589 sensitive or a lot drier. And then obviously 00:06:46.589 --> 00:06:49.810 we're not doctors and can't prescribe, but you 00:06:49.810 --> 00:06:53.470 can just bring it up as a, have you thought of, 00:06:53.470 --> 00:06:56.310 you know, perimenopause or menopause? I actually 00:06:56.310 --> 00:06:58.610 always brought it up. It was a conversation because 00:06:58.610 --> 00:07:02.389 the hormone changes, you know, it affects everything. 00:07:02.430 --> 00:07:05.199 Like you said, waxing the skin. For sure, hair 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:08.220 growth, there's a lot of factors involved, right? 00:07:10.579 --> 00:07:12.660 But it's the way you can ask to say, you know, 00:07:12.660 --> 00:07:15.019 because you know the birth date of the person. 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:18.160 So if they're in their late 30s, early 40s, I 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.839 said, how have you been feeling? Anything changing? 00:07:21.220 --> 00:07:23.379 How's the hormone levels? Like, are you sleeping 00:07:23.379 --> 00:07:26.740 well? Just ask those things because then it could 00:07:26.740 --> 00:07:29.920 affect or it could be why there's the breakouts 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:35.019 or reactions with products or you know and some 00:07:35.019 --> 00:07:37.079 will just say oh yeah I am definitely going through 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:39.300 menopause right now it's like okay so what have 00:07:39.300 --> 00:07:42.620 you what have you experienced how's your products 00:07:42.620 --> 00:07:44.279 at home can you do the same thing what about 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:47.019 your hair like ask those questions because those 00:07:47.019 --> 00:07:48.680 are all the more information you have a little 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:51.420 bit about without being abrasive into it especially 00:07:51.420 --> 00:07:54.199 if you just met the person it's just ask a few 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.540 questions you ask permission do you mind if I 00:07:56.540 --> 00:07:58.939 ask you a few more questions just so I make the 00:07:58.939 --> 00:08:02.189 right choices Right because some of these can 00:08:02.189 --> 00:08:05.250 be misdiagnosed as seasonal changes like especially 00:08:05.250 --> 00:08:07.490 dryness and sensitivity and stuff like that, 00:08:07.569 --> 00:08:11.529 right? So it is important to just know in your 00:08:11.529 --> 00:08:15.209 head in your own mind and for your client, but 00:08:15.209 --> 00:08:19.850 Does it? Whether it's seasonal or hormone related 00:08:19.850 --> 00:08:23.209 does that change how we treat or what services 00:08:23.209 --> 00:08:26.970 we would provide our client You would think yes 00:08:26.970 --> 00:08:34.059 Why don't you tell us? Yes it would. So I always 00:08:34.059 --> 00:08:36.440 like especially when you've had a client for 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:40.519 a long time or quite a while the worst thing 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:44.159 we can do is assume you did something on them 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:47.100 years ago that you can still do today because 00:08:47.100 --> 00:08:48.940 it changes everything so if they're starting 00:08:48.940 --> 00:08:52.100 to notice changes like this again we're not doctors 00:08:52.100 --> 00:08:54.340 have you been diagnosed by the doctor with this 00:08:54.340 --> 00:08:57.799 yet or get that information that you can otherwise 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:00.899 you start off basic level again, because you 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:03.899 don't want to irritate their skin. So you start 00:09:03.899 --> 00:09:07.139 off with that low intensity. Think of it like 00:09:07.139 --> 00:09:10.080 you're not going to go all crazy on them, especially 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:11.899 if they've told you they've been noticing these 00:09:11.899 --> 00:09:14.799 things. We don't know if it's menopause or pre 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.659 -menopause. We're not sure, right? And sometimes 00:09:17.659 --> 00:09:20.500 the doctors will just look at them and say, yeah, 00:09:20.500 --> 00:09:21.980 you're not there. You're too young for that. 00:09:21.980 --> 00:09:24.200 And they just shoo them away. But yet, as we 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.100 know, it can be 10 years of this change without 00:09:27.100 --> 00:09:31.480 it really being medically diagnosed, right? Also, 00:09:32.019 --> 00:09:34.659 that's a note is that you can't medically die. 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:37.620 It's hard to medically diagnose if you're in 00:09:37.620 --> 00:09:40.039 perimenopause because of the change in estrogen 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:42.620 levels. Yeah, unless they did hormone actual 00:09:42.620 --> 00:09:45.379 testing and stuff. Yeah, which they're not going 00:09:45.379 --> 00:09:47.580 to do because they're not probably going to do 00:09:47.580 --> 00:09:49.840 it. Most people won't like we should say most 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.039 people won't have that done. So really, it's 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:55.409 just a conversation that I think we know our 00:09:55.409 --> 00:09:58.370 own bodies and your client, especially if you've 00:09:58.370 --> 00:10:00.370 been seeing them, they're going to be sharing. 00:10:00.789 --> 00:10:02.529 Trust me, they are going to share. Like sometimes 00:10:02.529 --> 00:10:06.090 I'll say, Hey, so what about genetically? Like, 00:10:06.169 --> 00:10:08.370 did your mom go through it at a certain age and 00:10:08.370 --> 00:10:11.009 aunt and, you know, like cousin, sister, whatever 00:10:11.009 --> 00:10:14.190 it may be, is there someone you can kind of see 00:10:14.190 --> 00:10:16.669 that the chances are probably that's what's happening 00:10:16.669 --> 00:10:19.830 to you too. So then just take it back to, okay, 00:10:19.830 --> 00:10:21.870 let's look at the barrier of the skin. Let's 00:10:21.870 --> 00:10:23.669 look at the hydration because those are key. 00:10:23.820 --> 00:10:26.860 to make sure they stay stable and strong barrier, 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.120 good hydration, good lipid barrier level in the 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.320 skin. So you're starting out simple, right? I 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.500 mean that should be the start point of almost 00:10:35.500 --> 00:10:37.100 all skincare because then everything else will 00:10:37.100 --> 00:10:39.600 come along very well and you get better results 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.600 with. But basically hydration facial, hydrating 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:47.480 products like your hyaluronic acids or help with 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:49.740 the plumping maintain that health of the skin. 00:10:50.439 --> 00:10:54.960 When it comes to exfoliation, it's like, you 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:58.200 were doing three times a week, let's just cut 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:00.440 it back so your skin doesn't get irritated. Let's 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.039 try two times a week. Maybe you do an enzyme 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:06.679 peel instead of a granule or your salicylics 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:09.120 that you have in cleansers. You have to start 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:12.519 looking at how to scale back a little bit so 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:14.919 it doesn't have that big, oh my God, this isn't 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:16.820 working. I've got big changes happening from 00:11:16.820 --> 00:11:20.279 that last treatment, right? LEDs are great, your 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.480 red light, your infrareds, those are always a 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:27.539 great add -on to your, I don't mean upsell them, 00:11:27.539 --> 00:11:31.460 I'm just saying in the treatment itself. Have 00:11:31.460 --> 00:11:34.080 you looked at lymphatic drainage in your massage 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:37.899 techniques or do they do washes at home to help 00:11:37.899 --> 00:11:40.080 with the soothing and calming side of things? 00:11:40.860 --> 00:11:44.080 So that low intensity, think of that first step 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.100 and then you can kind of start seeing, especially 00:11:46.100 --> 00:11:48.490 if they did have a big change in skin. because 00:11:48.490 --> 00:11:50.549 all of a sudden it happens like oh my god you 00:11:50.549 --> 00:11:52.330 know i don't know what's going on this first 00:11:52.330 --> 00:11:55.750 winter it's like i'm dry i'm cracking it can 00:11:55.750 --> 00:11:58.909 be that drastic all of a sudden and they've not 00:11:58.909 --> 00:12:01.610 necessarily been diagnosed like they are in menopause 00:12:01.610 --> 00:12:06.450 right um and it's okay to not think that you 00:12:06.450 --> 00:12:09.350 have to go to that advanced level of treatments 00:12:09.350 --> 00:12:11.269 it's like okay let's scale it back a bit let's 00:12:11.269 --> 00:12:14.429 just make sure and you tell them why behind it 00:12:14.429 --> 00:12:19.059 so really you're thinking about um you know alternatives 00:12:19.059 --> 00:12:22.779 to retinols that act like a retinal but not irritating 00:12:22.779 --> 00:12:27.620 like a retinal um with products that are are 00:12:27.620 --> 00:12:29.059 you talking about like products that are going 00:12:29.059 --> 00:12:31.559 to complement your your low intensity treatments 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.179 yes or you're using it on them too i think that 00:12:35.179 --> 00:12:38.820 is very hard for us that um as professionals 00:12:38.820 --> 00:12:42.399 we feel like okay you're at a medium level peel 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:46.629 we can't go back down You know, like I've had 00:12:46.629 --> 00:12:48.970 that conversation with people I said why can't 00:12:48.970 --> 00:12:51.850 you? Why can't you just ease off and go back 00:12:51.850 --> 00:12:55.190 to that base level? Why do we think we have to 00:12:55.190 --> 00:12:57.710 keep doing more and more and more and more to 00:12:57.710 --> 00:13:00.990 get results? Not necessarily the case, right? 00:13:01.669 --> 00:13:04.889 Yeah And I think though there is on that like 00:13:04.889 --> 00:13:08.070 there is pressure from clients because you know 00:13:08.070 --> 00:13:10.269 They're noticing the changes and they want firm 00:13:10.269 --> 00:13:12.909 skin and they want you know, so it can be that 00:13:12.909 --> 00:13:16.710 pressure coming from clients but if you explain 00:13:16.710 --> 00:13:19.429 why and that we're gonna get there we're just 00:13:19.429 --> 00:13:21.690 gonna take a different let's just try this first 00:13:21.690 --> 00:13:24.289 and the next time let's look at you know at home 00:13:24.289 --> 00:13:26.429 you're gonna switch and do this now with your 00:13:26.429 --> 00:13:28.929 products let's change your regime up a little 00:13:28.929 --> 00:13:30.450 bit it's not necessarily you're selling them 00:13:30.450 --> 00:13:33.029 anything new maybe just got to change it a little 00:13:33.029 --> 00:13:35.629 bit and then maybe the next time you can see 00:13:35.629 --> 00:13:39.490 if the skin can tolerate more things um a medium 00:13:39.490 --> 00:13:42.450 intensity and that's when you can get into your 00:13:42.450 --> 00:13:46.509 um mandalic acids or some chemical peels, I guess 00:13:46.509 --> 00:13:49.070 you could say. But think of sensitive still, 00:13:49.769 --> 00:13:52.580 and not for a long period of time. I would still 00:13:52.580 --> 00:13:55.059 consider it just base level and see how they 00:13:55.059 --> 00:13:57.200 start responding to it. You know, maybe it's 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.039 microcurrents. There is also the, before you 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:01.159 get any further to medium intensity, I think 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:04.639 with the low intensity in replacing the retinol, 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:06.440 right, because a lot of clients are going to 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:10.460 want retinol. Yes, yes. Because we've heard and 00:14:10.460 --> 00:14:12.860 heard and heard that, you know, that's the thing 00:14:12.860 --> 00:14:17.200 to use. There's a more, there's a natural alternative 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:20.600 to retinol that's a little. They're on the skin. 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:24.000 It's coming out in the last, I'd say probably 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:27.240 this year is when I've noticed it coming out 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:29.899 and some brands are now focusing their whole 00:14:29.899 --> 00:14:33.519 one line just around this too. And I don't know 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:36.960 if I'm going to say it right, but it's the Bakuchio. 00:14:38.419 --> 00:14:40.899 Did I say it right to you? Yeah. I'll put it 00:14:40.899 --> 00:14:44.860 up on the screen. Yeah. Bakuchio. Bakuchio. Yeah. 00:14:44.899 --> 00:14:49.559 It's a natural from a plant that's natural. and 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.559 it acts like a retinol without the irritation 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:55.379 of it. It's kind of like when people go, oh, 00:14:55.379 --> 00:14:58.460 I really want glycolic, but, well, it's an AHA, 00:14:58.620 --> 00:15:01.139 but you can do a PHA instead. You don't have 00:15:01.139 --> 00:15:04.679 the same reactiveness of it. So sometimes if 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.360 you explain to them, hey, listen, I know you 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.100 love your retinols, but right now we just gotta 00:15:09.100 --> 00:15:11.600 perk that. Let's try this, because we know it 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:13.960 won't irritate, and you're still gonna get the 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:17.519 firmness. Results like the wrinkles you're still 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.299 gonna get those outcomes, but you just kind of 00:15:20.299 --> 00:15:22.960 switch the ingredient a little bit, too Yeah, 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:25.679 this is why it's so amazing that you know this 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:28.379 industry. There's always something new There's 00:15:28.379 --> 00:15:30.820 always research and all this stuff that's always 00:15:30.820 --> 00:15:32.899 coming out. So it's good to kind of keep your 00:15:32.899 --> 00:15:36.830 yeah finger on the pulse of I don't know why 00:15:36.830 --> 00:15:39.889 education is important to keep going I know what's 00:15:39.889 --> 00:15:42.210 coming and what's out there so that you can also 00:15:42.210 --> 00:15:44.309 better serve your client or maybe you're fortunate 00:15:44.309 --> 00:15:46.649 enough that you're with a brand that they come 00:15:46.649 --> 00:15:49.809 out every year with something a little bit different 00:15:49.809 --> 00:15:52.909 yeah it is more improved a different ingredient 00:15:52.909 --> 00:15:54.789 so they start looking at it and the thing is 00:15:54.789 --> 00:15:58.190 too is that people are wanting more I don't want 00:15:58.190 --> 00:16:00.649 to say natural but that holistic side instead 00:16:00.649 --> 00:16:04.360 of it being machines and chemicals and all this 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:06.759 harsh stuff to the face, they're looking at more 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.820 the holistic lymphatic drainage, the guachas, 00:16:09.940 --> 00:16:13.320 the softer ingredients, less irritants, that 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:15.500 type of thing. So I think that's why you're seeing 00:16:15.500 --> 00:16:18.860 more of that switch too. Yeah, because that goes 00:16:18.860 --> 00:16:22.240 more with the instead of anti -aging, we're pro 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.039 -aging. You know, it's like just aging. We know 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:29.059 we're aging, but let's slow it down. Slow it 00:16:29.059 --> 00:16:34.600 down. yeah it's inevitable um yeah and then if 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:36.940 you if they're ready for that medium as i was 00:16:36.940 --> 00:16:39.100 getting into that's where you think again like 00:16:39.100 --> 00:16:42.279 i said that mild chemical peels uh microcurrents 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:45.759 for the firmness ultrasonic or radio frequency 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.120 is really great non -aggressive nothing too much 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.940 you know your ingredients like a lot of the ingredients 00:16:51.940 --> 00:16:54.840 you can use throughout but you know you just 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.539 want to watch for intensity so Nicetamide, I 00:16:57.539 --> 00:16:59.940 mean, has had a big shout out in the last couple 00:16:59.940 --> 00:17:03.080 years for sure that is anti -inflammatory. It's 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:05.079 brightening. It strengthens the barrier of the 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.920 skin. You know, there's calming agents. We've 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.059 done a whole episode on it. Yes. Yes, you did. 00:17:10.420 --> 00:17:13.160 You know, think of calming agents, your allantones 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:16.460 and your pathinols, like that type of thing. 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:19.500 There's ebola. Because when you start adding 00:17:19.500 --> 00:17:22.519 intensity, you want to bring the calm to it too. 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.559 So you kind of like have the skin not react to 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:28.400 this intense it's like oh here i'm going to do 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.700 this but now we'll just add this to calm it down 00:17:30.700 --> 00:17:33.380 again right so it's kind of that back and forth 00:17:33.380 --> 00:17:37.000 again there's uh ceramides are really great too 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.960 right because they're um basically they're critical 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:43.440 for the barrier of the skin as well if you're 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:46.519 going to get into advanced um this is case by 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:48.799 case sometimes you're going to see it on a medical 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:53.420 side potentially or, you know, general microneedling 00:17:53.420 --> 00:17:56.779 of what we can do as estheticians at our level. 00:17:57.859 --> 00:18:02.160 But you still want to look at, you know, afterwards 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.559 to calm that skin down. Don't allow it to be, 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:06.880 yes, you're going to be pink because we just 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.240 stimulate circulation, that type of thing, but 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:11.759 it shouldn't be that they're pink for days and 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:16.220 red hot. And if you haven't been paying attention 00:18:16.220 --> 00:18:18.299 of the changes of microneedling in this last 00:18:18.299 --> 00:18:22.039 year, you need to get out there, start looking. 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.880 I actually can go on a blog that Beauty Call 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.500 Canada put out not long ago about it. There's 00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:29.859 a lot of changes with the microneedling and they're 00:18:29.859 --> 00:18:31.819 discovering a lot more things that what we should 00:18:31.819 --> 00:18:34.400 do and what we shouldn't do or why we do. I'll 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.220 link that in the description. Yeah, exactly. 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.039 You know, then the medical side, laser rejuvenation, 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.880 like all those types of things for sure, medium 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.420 depth chemical peels, but that's if they have 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:48.640 a very strong barrier, healthy barrier. thicker 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.819 skin you know as we get older you tend to have 00:18:51.819 --> 00:18:53.720 a thinner skin so just because you could have 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.799 medium peels in your 30s that doesn't mean you 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.160 can have them in your 50s so you have to educate 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:02.619 your clients and and help them understand it's 00:19:02.619 --> 00:19:04.859 it's good because we're giving you what your 00:19:04.859 --> 00:19:09.119 skin needs today you know it's not what you got 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:11.259 20 years ago or 10 years ago or even five years 00:19:11.259 --> 00:19:15.490 ago but again Always I'm always about the calming 00:19:15.490 --> 00:19:18.009 agent just to kind of fool the skin to say just 00:19:18.009 --> 00:19:21.130 calm down. It's okay We got it gonna relax. You're 00:19:21.130 --> 00:19:23.569 gonna hydrate. We're gonna soothe make sure we 00:19:23.569 --> 00:19:26.430 didn't do anything to the barrier So some peptides 00:19:26.430 --> 00:19:28.970 there minutes that ceramides that type of thing, 00:19:29.069 --> 00:19:31.650 right? I think I think if that's why we look 00:19:31.650 --> 00:19:35.890 at it. How do we re calm the skin down? Like 00:19:35.890 --> 00:19:38.490 my goal is always that any treatment I do if 00:19:38.490 --> 00:19:41.819 I can help it they're not leaving hot red face, 00:19:41.819 --> 00:19:44.299 especially if they're menopause. They don't want 00:19:44.299 --> 00:19:46.339 to have a red hot face when they're done because 00:19:46.339 --> 00:19:48.940 sometimes they have hot flashes. So if they have 00:19:48.940 --> 00:19:51.420 the hot flashes and you're already red, they're 00:19:51.420 --> 00:19:54.640 going to get hotter and redder. So that's why 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:56.700 we want to try to look at bringing things down 00:19:56.700 --> 00:20:01.259 a little bit more calming effect in that. Yeah, 00:20:01.819 --> 00:20:04.599 that makes sense. I love it. I mean, and again, 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:08.579 I think it might not be happening to you, but 00:20:08.579 --> 00:20:15.500 coming. It's gonna, it's gonna. But you know, 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.200 you can, you know, be aware of it and to help 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.839 your clients. And also that curiosity and problem 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:25.119 solving when it comes to supporting your clients. 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:28.720 If you have any questions for us or suggestions 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.460 for topics in the future, let us know. We're 00:20:31.460 --> 00:20:37.539 always open to suggestions. Thanks for listening 00:20:37.539 --> 00:20:38.440 to Beauty Babble.