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If you have a client who's always five minutes

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late, 20 minutes after their appointments already

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started, you want to stick around. Today we are

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breaking down a real Reddit text exchange where

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an esthetician finally says no more. She's putting

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her foot down. If you're new here, welcome to

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Beauty Babble where we talk shop about the real

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stuff behind running a beauty business. I'm Doreen,

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a brand and content strategist and former esthetician.

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Hi, and I'm Suzanne. I'm a Sadesco certified

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esthetician with over 30 years, former spa owner

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and now an educator mentor to beauty pros. All

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right. We found this Reddit thread that was just

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an experience I think everyone can relate to.

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So here is what this esthetician posted. Hi,

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I'm a solo esthetician. I've had a client for

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roughly eight months now and she is super difficult

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to deal with. Always late, changing her appointments

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or coming in for a lash fill with two lashes.

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Today I had a super stressful day and of course

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she's my last client and tells me she's running

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22 minutes late. I had to put my foot down today

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which was extremely hard for me to do as this

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is the first time I've had to do something like

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this and I have so much anxiety about it. Does

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this ever get easier? I guess I just want advice

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or validation that what I did was okay because

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it feels awful to do. But again, I can't keep

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having her walk over me. And of course, I don't

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want to lose clients, but she causes me so, so,

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so much stress. Almost every single appointment.

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I can't stand the guilt tripping. All right.

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Classic. Oh my God. I'm stressed for her. Right?

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It is. She's right. It is. It is uncomfortable.

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It's terrible that you even have to do it, you

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know? For our listeners who aren't watching on

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YouTube, I am sharing the text message thread

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because she did post screenshots of the text

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messages between her and her client. So I'll

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read them and then we'll talk about it. All right.

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So her client starts off. It's 4 47 p .m. The

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appointment is at five. I'm just leaving work

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right now. I might be a couple of minutes late.

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I'm sorry. I'm rushing. And she says, okay, do

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you know what time you'd be here by? GPS says

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522. I'm sorry, but we're gonna need to reschedule

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this time I have an appointment right after that

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I'd be late for and my policy is if you are 15

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minutes late or more I have to reschedule you

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and collect a fee. I'm sorry I know I made an

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exception for you last time, but unfortunately

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I can't again I have availability 16 21 22 24

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and 26. Just let me know what day works for you

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So I think she handled that really well like

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her response message was really polite concise

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she gave alternate options I thought that was

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amazing then the client goes on to say oh I thought

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it was 5 15 okay but girl you're still gonna

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beam it late and she didn't say that I'm saying

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that yeah I know I know yeah and then the client

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says already almost there my text notification

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at 5 15 with you today so i would have only been

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six minutes six or seven minutes late i have

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the text confirmation here let's see now all

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right and now she says i'm literally almost to

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you she sends this screenshot date and time of

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five o 'clock the date and time of five o 'clock

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so her appointment was indeed at five o 'clock

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So now it's 5 .08 and she's continuing to text

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the aesthetician. We can skip eyebrow tint? That

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would save time off the end of the visit. My

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lashes are desperate and I'm almost there. Just

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got your text about rescheduling because I'm

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driving. What is your take on what's happening

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so far with the client? First of all, she says

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her appointment's at 5 .15. which it wasn't.

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We have a screenshot that says it's five. And

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she's at this point, she's like bargaining, right?

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Yeah, I don't blame her. I get why they want

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to bargain. But, you know, I'm glad to see that

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this Lashtec or a restitution is sticking to

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her guns this time. It sounds like she's from

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the text messaging. She sounds like a person

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who has been very pushy because as we've seen

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the text and as you carry on, people will see

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that. I just feel for her, the professional,

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because this is almost a three -hour appointment

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that she's losing out on, even if it's a fee,

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which is terrible, you know, and I know she's

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desperate, but this isn't her first, you know,

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she's a repeat offender, as they say. It's not

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her first time. Alright, so the esthetician says,

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I'm sorry, Tara, but you will be 22 minutes late

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and I don't have the time today. You're still

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over 10 minutes away. I can definitely take you

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another day this week or next week. I know it's

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inconvenient because you're headed to me, but

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I already made an exception last time. Let me

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know if you're available next week at all. So

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again, super great. Text that she's composed

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apologizing acknowledging. It's inconvenient

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and offering an alternative And she apologized

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even though, you know, she's she wished she could

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do it obviously and this this got to be so hard

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though Like you say no once and you're like,

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I hope they listen. No now you have to say no

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repeat it. No. All right She client is not done

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weren't you planning on being there the one and

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a half hour duration of me getting lashes done

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anyways, if we only did lashes That saves, that

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shaves 20, 30 minutes off right there. So you

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would still only be in your office for about

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the same amount of time. I'm about six or seven

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minutes away according to my GPA. I get what

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you're saying, but you... We're planning on being

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there for the duration of lashes. If we take

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the eyebrow tint off, then that saves more time.

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I didn't know that I was going to be running

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late from work today. We had two people call

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out. I was stuck in a room with a patient towards

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the end of the shift and wasn't able to text

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or call you. I had to finish with them first.

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And she says I just want to know if it's worth

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me still coming or not since I'm already so close

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to you Just doesn't make sense to cancel if you

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are planning on being there anyway for the next

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at least hour or so Yeah, I don't have any other

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time this week. I'm working on the lot week long.

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This was the My only opportunity. I had a shit

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week and I cried most of my lashes out because

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my due date was my birthday yesterday. This is

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my only opportunity. Alright, now we're guilt

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tripping. That's what she, that's what the esthetician

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meant when she was talking about being guilt

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tripped. Again, the esthetician response says,

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unfortunately, this time I can't accommodate.

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I'm really sorry. Client says, okay. I would

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have been there in 5 minutes. I'm so confused.

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Because you still would have been there till

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at least 6 .30 anyways. It's fine. I'll figure

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it out. Definitely won't be there this week.

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This was my only opportunity. Thanks anyways.

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Taking the eyebrow tint off would have made up

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the difference. She's incessant. Oh my gosh.

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My text confirmation at 5 .15. But that's okay.

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The esthetician responds and says, On my end,

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your appointment was scheduled for 5pm. Whether

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there was a miscommunication or not, this This

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isn't the first time you've arrived late, and

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I've already made accommodations in the past.

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I understand you're upset, but I have to follow

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my policies. You were over 20 minutes late, and

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even if we skipped the brow wax, there wouldn't

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have been enough time because it sounds like

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you would have needed a full set, not a fill,

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which requires more time than what was left.

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It's hard for me to have to readjust my schedule.

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If you'd like to reschedule, you can feel free

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to see what I have available to book online.

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Ending the conversation, she's trying to end

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this conversation. But it's not over. Nick Lyon

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says, I think we have both adjusted in the past

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and I have also tried to be flexible for you.

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I would have even taken the lighter fill to hold

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me over. I had no idea I was going to be late.

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I haven't eaten food all day. We had no nurses.

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It's fine. It's like, oh my gosh. Oh my God.

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And the statistician says, yes, I have asked

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you to move your appointment in the past, but

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that was days in advance. And I also offered

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a discount for the inconvenience, which is different.

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I hope you understand. Is that the end? That

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was, that was it. That was it. Okay. I'm going

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to stop sharing. Whew. Wow. Some like, I think

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the back and forth, like some of the comments

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on this Reddit post had said, you know, commended

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her on how well she handled this situation. I

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think she handled it beautifully. And a lot of

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people said, you know, that was too much work.

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Yes. Yeah. Right. All that texting. Oh, this

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is why when, you know, working with people, I

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said, how do you deal with your clients? Are

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you communicating through DM, text messaging?

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Probably 90 % is yes. And I'm just like, I wouldn't

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personally I wouldn't be giving them that of

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me per se. I have to make a confession. Well,

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you know what in fairness I think You know what

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they could have been like, okay, you're almost

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here. I can't promise but let me see what you

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have There sounds like she's a good client right

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from what she said at the beginning doesn't really

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want to lose her But same time you got to nip

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this in the butt. Yeah, you know, I've been always

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really direct all my life I think just who I

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am if they did it the one time. I'm very straight

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lower word and say listen I want you to understand

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that I can do it this time if it ever happens

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in the future I can't guarantee it I'm sorry

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just please don't be upset with me promise me

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those are the people you need to you know say

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it unfortunately so when this conversation comes

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up again they're usually a repeat offender those

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that are always later on it sounds like this

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one was yeah I think okay so I think that I I

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can play this scenario out in my head. I think

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I would have said, okay, fine. And then because

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it was the last client of the day, and I would

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have just shortened the appointment or - She

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wanted the last client. She had someone out there.

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That's why she couldn't do it. No. In her comment,

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she said it was her last appointment of the day.

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Having said that, I mean, it still doesn't matter.

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This is the end of your day, right? Yeah. Okay,

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so this is just me talking from personal and

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I handled it terribly So let's just I would have

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probably been like, yeah, sure just come we'll

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take off the brow tent We'll do a lighter fill

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or whatever But the problem is if I was to do

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that a I think I run the risk of she's not gonna

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be happy with her lashes She's gonna complain

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that it was too light and couldn't you have put

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a few more? B, she's going to do it even more.

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I've totally blown my boundaries and my lines.

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And I would have just hated myself. You know,

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you would have just been like so upset with yourself

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for compromising yet again. So I think agreeing.

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I mean, this is worst case scenario. Maybe she

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would have been grateful and she would have loved

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her lashes. But I think just given the history

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with this client and, you know, the esthetician

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saying like it's a difficult client. She's always

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late. Like I just think she needed to do this

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in order to prevent it from continuing to happen.

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Yeah, exactly. And I get it. I mean, like you

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said, this comes up all the time. People have

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mentioned this to me. How do you deal with this?

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And I think you nailed it saying Is she really

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going to be happy with a light fill? Probably

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not, right? Yeah, I don't think so. I think too,

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you have to honor yourself, which is most important

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because she's probably was thrown off the rest

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of her night, upset about it. What about she

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books? I'm going to have to see her again. Like

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this whole almost anxiety comes up inside you

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having to deal with it. And it's just you got

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to set the boundaries. and I applaud her for

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sticking to her guns and saying no. And you know

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what, if you do this, if I can give any advice

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to people out there, your first time client should

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know those boundaries. I'm not saying you have

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to be rude about this. I'm not saying you have

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to be that unfriendly professional. Just letting

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them know to communicate, start, welcome, I'm

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so glad you came. Did you have a chance to read

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my policies? Just say it again because they don't

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read. You can try. People don't read in general.

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It doesn't matter if it's the doctor's office

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telling you they're going to give you a fee if

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you don't cancel, right? And then people are

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shocked. What do you mean? It's written everywhere.

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I think before that, you need to have a policy.

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You need to have a policy and you need to have

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it in writing. And I know that not every esthetician

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has. website where they can have like this policy

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but I think even if you are communicating with

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your client and booking your Appointments in

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text message I would have a little blurb saved

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to my notes app and then at the end of every

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message, you know I'd say okay, you're confirmed

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your appointment is this day on 10 p .m. Or 10

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a .m. And and then right behind just say please

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note my cancellation policy Well, she had an

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online booking so in the confirmation you can

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change those notes and put that right in there

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Yeah, she did but I'm saying for our listeners

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or viewers who don't Don't have a place where

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you can officially put a policy you need to include

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it with every Booking it's part of like thanks

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for booking note my cancellation policy If you

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have an assistant where you're sending reminders

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and you have the online booking perfect. It should

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be included in every time you communicate with

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your client, which sounds like overkill, but

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I would do it. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. And

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then once it's been communicated and consistently

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done, you know, make an exception for someone

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else. And I get things happen. And I know it's

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really hard. You know, like she had a terrible

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day at work all week. I get that. And we're in

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this industry because we're empathetic to people.

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We service them. That's what this is. But at

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the same time, you know, it's not professional

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and not fair to you either. And I think if we

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stick to that, our policies, make them clear

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and do it and stick with it. And it's hard because

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the other end of that is I get to hear the professionals

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say to me, but I need the money. Well, I guarantee

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you, you will attract the clients that respect

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you if you demand the respect. Yeah, I agree.

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it takes time, but you will have it because then

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they just, I don't know, they just don't respect.

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And it's kind of a behind the screen thing that

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people do, whether it's, you know, a text, an

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email, a social media comment, like people just

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say things, right? And yeah, it's, you know,

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you deserve to work in your environment where

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people respect you for you as a professional.

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And I think that's important. You can also offer

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a first time grace, for example, like the first

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time their appointment, you say, you know what,

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this time, if you're late, I'm going to make

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an exception, but please note, I do have a cancellation

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policy. I know this doesn't happen often, or

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this is a first time for you, whatever. Maybe

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they have a sick kid or they had a flat tire,

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whatever. You can make that first exception if

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that is like, I mean, I know some professionals

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who are like, no. I'm firm and they're comfortable

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in that but if you're not comfortable in setting

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those boundaries I would do a first time exception

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but a reminder that this is the first and only

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time and then that way you feel like you've you've

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done your part and you haven't been unkind or

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disagreeable and it's now it's on them second

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time it's on them they need to cancel or pay

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a fee even if you don't have anyone after you're

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managing it you know you can squeeze them in

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I don't tell them, oh, that's no problem because

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I have no one after you today. I don't tell them

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that. You need to still say, okay, I can do it

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this time, but I can't do it next time. That's

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it. That's my policy. You don't want to be that

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strict. For those that have a really hard time

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with this and then you're feeling flustered and

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all that, upset, then maybe you say to them,

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well, I can do it this time, but next time I

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don't know if I could. And it's not that I want

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to say no to you, but I have someone after and

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I want to run on time. That's why I have appointments.

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You say I can't wait for my next client waiting.

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I think what you're doing is really important,

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which is using I language, which is like I need

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to I need to be ready for my next client. I don't

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have time. So instead of being like, no, you

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were late. Say no, I don't have time given. So

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and then I this esthetician also did this which

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is offered solution, you know, she offered an

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alternate date you can you can offer I think

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lash fills are tricky because it there's so much

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like gray area where it's like well how much

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of a fill am I doing but let's say somebody came

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in for a full leg wax and a bikini wax But maybe

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you can only do the bikini wax. So you can maybe

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you make that exception. So you can say, listen,

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I get things come up. I have a client right after

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you. I can still do your bikini wax. I can do

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one leg. I can do one leg and one bikini. Yeah,

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I can do your bikini wax only or you can book,

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you know, next week for everything and be on

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time. The other thing I want to make a note on

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this, which I've noticed happens a lot in our

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industry today, is that the professional the

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service provider is running late always runs

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late shows up late so if you don't want your

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clients doing it you can't be doing it too because

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it's a reflection on you and this is something

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it's a hard honest conversation that i have to

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have with professionals sometimes they well you're

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you're not setting the bar either yeah not respecting

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them in their time they're definitely not going

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to respect yours not saying that this person

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did that like i'm not saying that it's just On

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another side of that, look in the mirror what's

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going on, how do you run your business, right?

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The last suggestion I would make is just to make

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sure that you document everything, make notes,

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so that if somebody is being like, well, I haven't

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done this before, you can pull it up and be like,

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yeah, actually you have, and this is, or whatever.

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If you do have a system where you can document

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it within a booking system or put it in your

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notes app, and that way you have something to

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refer to. Yeah. Set your boundaries. Yeah. policies

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in place will be your life saver. Let us know

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in the comments if this has happened to you,

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how you've handled it, maybe sharing some of

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your policies. It's always interesting to see

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what others are doing so we can learn from each

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other. Awesome. I think that's it for this episode.

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