I would encourage them to knock on clinic doors
and ask if you can shadow. Honestly, it's so
valuable. Hello and welcome back everyone. Today
we have a special guest. Welcome Alicia. We're
joined with Alicia Yap. She is the founder and
educational director of Clariderma Academy and
the visionary behind Clariderma Medical Aesthetics
and Laser Clinic. Alicia, you have about 11,
11 plus years experience in the industry. You've
been the recipient of the 40 Under 40 Business
Achievement Award and you were featured on Reveal
Magazine's cover. So we want to pick your brains.
We want to talk about, you know, how do you open
a med spa for listeners who are thinking about
it or maybe starting the process because a lot
of times, you know, you start something you look
back and you're like, I wish I knew that when
I started and we kind of want to want you to
tell us things that you wish you knew when you
first started. So we'll get into that. Welcome
to the show. Absolutely. Thank you so much for
having me. I sincerely appreciate it. So tell
us, let's go back to shortly, but the beginning,
like how did you what made you choose this industry?
Did you go right into medical aesthetics? I did,
actually. I've always had an inkling for aesthetics
in general. I'm an Italian heritage, so I had
quite a lot of body hair when I was growing up
and it was always my Achilles heel. And so I
had a personal sort of interest for that measure,
you know, and at that time, you know, I'm 36
years old. So at that time, there wasn't a ton
of options when I was younger. So I was like
bleaching my mustache and like, you know, getting
waxed. from Shoppers Drug Mart and you know all
of those things were very temporary fixes and
I always like just had it I'm like I can't this
is not sustainable like I need to do something
more impactful so I think I always kind of had
that in my like blood. And then I went into social
work actually originally out of high school and
I did my degree in that field and then worked
in the field. So I just love helping people.
That was kind of the forefront of why I chose
that career and then decided to choose medical
aesthetics. After that, with that passion for
sort of my own personal skin goals, I had acne
and stuff growing up too. So the acne and body
hair kind of sort of got my interest peaked and
then my need for helping people kind of collided
and made a really perfect sort of profession.
And did you, so you said medical, did you know
about traditional aesthetics? Yeah, just from
utilizing them, right? Like I was like constantly
getting stuff waxed or my brows done or, you
know, like pedicures, manicures. I was super
into it just on a personal level. And I was always
inviting my friends over. I'm like, I can wax
your body for you if you want. So I always had
an interest in it, but I never studied like the
basic aesthetic courses or I never did that.
I went straight to the hardcore stuff. I was
like, no, I need like... I need something heavy.
And yeah, that was sort of what piqued my interest.
So I Googled, I was more interested in laser
hair removal, I would say to begin with. So that
kind of led into all of the other things, right?
So laser hair removal was something that I wanted
to get done. And then I was like, maybe I can
learn it. Like that'd be cool. And then that
sort of went into my like just brain exploding
into how much I loved all of the other aspects
of the field. So what would you say is the difference?
Like if someone was looking at this, and I think
I'll speak for Canada itself, there's a wide
range of medical aesthetics out there and what
defines it versus what we'll call traditional
aesthetics where you do your traditional aesthetics
and then you go take a laser course, you take
a, you know, deep heel course, you take that
type of thing. So is there, how did you choose
it or how did you know what to look for to be
reputable in a sense that that you felt, well,
maybe you didn't feel ready to get out there
and do clients either based on whatever program
you had taken. And we're not cutting down programs
here. It's just trying to help people make those
decisions. How do you choose the right place
if you want to go take a medical aesthetics course?
And because it's not a regulated profession,
at least not in the province of Ontario, where
I live and work, it is tricky to find accredited
schools, to find reputable places, because it's
a lot more private career college oriented, like
none of the colleges in my area at least offer
it as a program. So the school that I had went
to back when I was in school was an accredited
program. So that was one of the things that I
looked for. and they were a functioning clinic
as well. So they had like a clinic facing and
then a school side. So that was really neat because
you got to use the facilities to do the treatments
and practice on real patients. So that was really
helpful. And you want to make sure that there's
some sort of medical affiliation, right? So you
don't want to be taking a laser hair removal
course from somebody in their basement or, you
know, something along those lines, which is out
there as well. And not to say that they don't
know what they're talking about, but But if you're
affiliated with a medical professional, which
is the way medical aesthetics should be, right,
you have either a physician or nurse practitioner
or some sort of regulated medical professional
in the realm because it is a dangerous field
and there's lots of things that can go wrong.
So as long as you have that affiliation with
the clinic or with the school, that to me is
a green flag. So that would be one of the things
that I would look for if you're looking for education.
Yeah, that's a pretty good one. I have a question
on that note. Okay, so if you want to or when
you decided to open your own med spa, do you
have to have a medical professional collaborate
with you or on staff? How does that work? Because
I'm trying to think of like our listeners if
they're like, okay, yeah, but I want my own.
Like, how did it come to that? And what do you
need? I know it depends on the country. I know
exactly. Yeah, like we'll sort of own regulations
blanket statement with that. So Not everything
requires medical direction, right? So like if
you wanted to say perform microdermabrasion Derma
planing and chemical peels you don't you don't
need a medical director for that however If you
don't have a medical director the level of chemical
peels that are available for you to purchase
would be different Right. So our account for
example with our distributor is was only able
to be opened because we had a physician affiliated
with the clinic. So it just allows you to have
different levels of acids for example with chemical
peels and also allows you to different class
levels of lasers. So they're typically not every
laser company, but some laser companies will
have what they call a spa laser and then a medical
laser. So when you have that medical affiliation,
you get access to the type of lasers that you
need to get real results and the type of peels
and, you know, technology that requires that
medical supervision and as well as for injectables.
So you definitely can't have any Botox filler,
PRP, anything like that without the medical director.
Or even the depth of your microneedling, right?
Right. That's yeah, absolutely. You're right.
How did you go from okay, you were like, interested
you went to school? How did you go from that
point to having your own meds bomb? So I have
a business partner who is a nurse practitioner.
So her and I kind of like joined forces and she
deals with essentially all of the injectable
side of the business and of course the medical
side from what she needs to from what we do with
the skin and all of the technology. So her and
I co -own the clinic and the Academy is sort
of something I did on my own through the business
still, but her and I co -own the clinic and operate
it in a really professional and safe way because
what we believe in and we want that for all of
our patients. And we see a lot of work that can
sometimes have happened because of the unregulation
too. So it's a, it's a passion project for me
to, to, yeah, keep everybody educated and safe.
And it's really important. A hundred percent.
Yeah. So I guess if someone was doing aesthetics
or even contemplating moving into this side of
the industry, what would you tell them? into
the medical field. Sometimes what I see out there
is they call themselves a medispa and they're
not what we would call a medispa. I would define
a medical spa. Like you said, you have to have
a physician or medical director in a sense to
be able to call that. And I think because they
have lasers and they do microdermablating or
microdermabrasion, micronatally call them medispa.
But if someone wanted to do that, How can they
separate? I guess that's more of my question.
How do they separate themselves to be reputable
as a full -on medical establishment of a spa
versus what the competition of these little kind
of things are happening out there? Yeah, and
that is a result of the unregulation, right?
So that's, and it's hard for consumers because
they don't know. who to choose or what to do.
And from a consumer standpoint, I would say,
you know, look at the reviews, look at their
staff, like that kind of a thing. And from a
professional standpoint, you can find a medical
director. So if you are even a nurse, a registered,
like an RPN, which is the two -year program of
nursing, or if you're even just an esthetician
and you want to offer PRP microneedling and get
some access to medical -grade skincare or medical
-grade chemical peels, you can find somebody
who is willing to direct your clinic or direct
you personally. It has to be the right fit, right?
So my nurse practitioner, Lenka, my... co -founder.
She helps other clinics but you know she has
to trust them too because it's her medical license
on the line. So if you have somebody in your
life who you know you either trust or they trust
you and you have a good relationship with them
they can be the director for you if that's a
path you want to take or you know if you go work
at a clinic you might just gain access to a lot
more colleagues and contacts that way too if
that's the route you want to go. You don't have
to either right like if you don't want to have
that high level access to the types of equipment
and stuff like that, then you can definitely
make a career out of services that don't require
a medical director as well. So the only people
that can operate that level of a deep peel, the
type of lasers you mentioned, is the medical
person? They don't have to perform the treatments,
they just have to oversee the clinic. I see.
Unless it's injectables, right? Then that changes
it? Yeah, even then the so our medical director,
for example, oversees our other nurses, and she
just has to make sure that they're checking in
with her about what to do and and you know what
sort of dosages they're using and that kind of
a thing, but she doesn't have to perform each
service. No. Okay. There's a lot of clinics that
even operate via zoom. So there's a lot of nurses
that they'll have their medical directors say
they live, you know, 45 minutes away or whatever,
they'll have a zoom conversation with the patient
and then the the medical director will be okay.
Yep, like you're good to perform the treatment.
Oh, I see. So they do the consultation initially
and then guide the staff in what to do next.
Basically, yeah, simply. Yep. Okay. Okay. So
much info. Yeah, I have another question here.
How would because you have an academy as well.
So how would getting a medical aesthetic certification
differ than a regular aesthetic certification?
Yeah, that's a great question. So the regular
sort of traditional aesthetics will cover more
like beauty maintenance treatments. So facials,
waxing, makeup, lash and brow treatments, you'll
do basic chemical peels, probably like glycolic
and lactic, microdermabrasion, body wraps, stuff
like that. So that's a typical traditional aesthetics
program. And you can work in like a day spa setting.
And then what I find happens is a lot of a lot
of girls will do that program. And then they're
kind of like, Oh, I kind of want to learn micro
needling or I kind of want to learn. laser hair
removal or IPL and stuff like that. And then
that's where the medical aesthetic side comes
in. So it's more clinical grade treatments that
are targeting skin conditions at a little bit
of a deeper level. So you've got your injectables,
of course, your Botox and filler hair removal,
IPL, advanced chemical peels, skin tightening
and resurfacing and that kind of thing. So it's,
it's more of a result driven. It's not, it's
not overly relaxing. There are some aspects of
it. You know, we have facials that are result
driven and can be relaxing too, but you know,
microneedling and laser skin resurfacing. It's
definitely not relaxing, but there's a result
-driven process there that sort of a lot of people
have that fix for. They really want something
like myself, who I was like, no, like waxing
is just not enough for me. I need something,
you know, a little bit more advanced. So I find
that the girls who are in the aesthetics program,
I do a lot of presentations at the colleges in
my area. And I'd say it's about 50 -50. Like
some of the girls are like, no, I'm too nervous
to do that. I don't want to, I just, I want to
do manicure. and I'm happy. I'm like, okay, great.
And then there's some girls who are like, no,
give me, give me the, the lasers. I want to like
zap the mole off my arm. I'm like, okay. So yeah,
it kind of just depends on your personality.
So when you look at hiring and this is very interesting,
I guess this is the negative side of it. When
they are taking these courses, you were in a
great opportunity because you had the place you
chose actually had an operating clinic that you
could work out of and you gained experience there.
A lot of times what we're hearing from people
is that they're taking these courses. It's a
medical level course for aesthetics, but no one
will hire them because they need two to three
years of experience. How would you reach out
to these people? What would you suggest they
do? Because they don't want to go back and spend
more money on schools. I wish I can understand,
but is there anything that you would maybe a
tip you could share or how do you help them?
I would encourage them to knock on clinic doors
and ask if you can shadow and just sort of watch
what they do. And it would be unpaid, but honestly,
it's so valuable. We had a lot of our staff actually
come from that. So like, honestly, because what's
it to them? They don't like, if you're just kind
of following around and, you know, helping them
out, if you say, you know, I'll clean your rooms
for you, I'll flip them over and you know, you're
at least some sort of an asset to them in the
way that you're helping them out in their day
to day. And all you want to do is learn from
them. If they don't want you, then they'll say
no, but I don't see why anyone would say no to
that. If somebody's knocking on my door saying,
Hey, can I help you out all day? And all I want
to do is just like ask you some questions and
follow you around. I'm like, sure. So I remember
one young girl, she was really frustrated to
been applying. They said, have you thought of
asking, you know, how about I start at the front
desk? Yeah. that can help and observe and then
move into the clinic side and maybe help set
up and clean up and watch and and have mentorship
and and I think we have to understand how do
you get experience sometimes you're not going
to start where you think you're going to start
but find the opportunities where you could begin
and that might be a year of just doing that and
learning but I think you know I sometimes they
forget how much is involved in running a place
like that and the liabilities and the insurance
and the trust that you've created with your clients
that are coming through the door. And it's not
just you're taught on one machine to do, if I
can just simplify it on one laser machine and
you go to operate. So I don't know how to use
that one. I need a different machine. It's like,
that's not the education you should be looking
for. Then it's understanding what laser hair
removal is and the types of machines and what
they do so that all you need to do is understand.
how to operate the machine, but you should be
able to deliver the treatment. Have you come
across that where sometimes people are like,
I can't do it because I don't know your machine
all the time. And in fact, it was one of the
driving forces for me creating the Academy because
in my opinion, if you understand the basics of
laser physics, for example, and the anatomy of
skin. Want to teach you how to drive a car and
then you can drive any car, right? Like you you
get in the wheel and you can like, you know Maybe
some of the buttons are different or some of
the mirrors are in a different place But you
can operate the car because you know how to drive
so that's sort of the the theory that I had when
I created my Content was I had no brand affiliations
whatsoever because I don't want I don't want
to sell a brand. I want to sell the science and
that you can understand that so you learn it
and that helps you choose equipment too. So if
you're going to open your own practice, you won't
get hosed by a sales laser rep, which I can't
stand them all, no offense, but they like, you
know, they're, they're not there to help you.
They just want to sell a machine. So understanding
all of that really does empower you to make good
choices for your clinic. as well as good choices
for your patients. I love your analogy, and that's
something that I'm going to start using for people
choosing schools and training. It's like, are
you going to learn how to drive the car that
they have, or are they going to teach you how
to drive a car so you can use any car? Yeah,
right? I love that analogy. Such a good one.
A really simple way to put it. Love it. Thank
you. Sorry. The laser reps and you're like, oh,
you know, that to me sounds like something you
wish you knew early on. Yeah. If somebody is
looking to start, open their own med spa, I think
from what I'm hearing from the conversation so
far, it's like, it's really good to get that
basis of experience. I love the idea of going
and shadowing, not just to get the experience,
but also see what you like about how a business
is run so that you can down the road when you
want to open your own business know what you
want to do and what you don't want to do. What
are some things that if you can you know this
could be a long conversation but what are maybe
two or three things that you wish you knew at
the beginning before deciding or opening your
own med spa that would have made the journey
a lot easier for you? That's a hard one but Yeah,
I mean when it comes to equipment just do as
much research as possible and Like it boils down
to you want to know your science you can choose
the right equipment But another thing that's
super important that I think people don't really
think about is the support after the purchase
so the support that you get from the companies.
And there's a lot of reputable companies who
have great support. And there's a lot of companies,
unfortunately, who you never hear from again,
you sign the contract, you buy the machine and
they're like, who are you? And that's really
important. And it's hard to know before you kind
of get into a relationship, but there's so many
groups on Facebook, for example, where it's like,
you know, aesthetics connect Canada or what have
you. And there's a bunch of different resources
that, you know, pop a quick question and they're
like, Hey, has anyone worked with? ex company
before, how was their support? How are their
warranties? Like all of those things are super
important. So being, being knowledgeable about
the equipment and the science behind it is important
for you to navigate the info that they're going
to give you. But then trying to do a little bit
of research on what their company is like from,
from an after purchase standpoint is, is really,
really important. And a game changer, like game
changing. If you don't have that support, it's,
it's really, really tough. I love that. That's
a good one. Another touch point, I know that
you and I had had a meeting before this, but
we chatted about when you hire someone to the
point where you know that they are good to go,
independent, fly birdie fly, you can go, right?
I know everyone's different, but what's on average
would you say they've taken the course and now
they're going to come work for you? How long
do you find that you have to spend with them
for training? Because I think this surprises
them when they come out of school that they're
actually not ready completely. Yeah, it's almost
everybody and was another sort of driving force
for me creating the academy. It was originally
for a training tool because I like every time
I hired somebody I had to go through the same.
process like I'm just gonna put this all in one
thing and then like it can repeat itself so because
it's timely right and I still do spend one on
one time with them of course but the the theoretical
knowledge at least is all in the in the platform
but I'd say I usually the way I train my staff
is I'll start them with the basics so you know
facials chemical peels laser hair removal for
example and they'll do that on their own for
a good few months after I've spent at least two
or three weeks with them on hand after the online
training as well. So like we're already at, yeah,
four months, let's say. And then, you know, the
more advanced treatments like radio frequency,
microneedling, skin resurfacing, like that kind
of thing, I'd say about a year. Yeah. For sure.
And that's with like constant, you know, every
patient they have, they're texting me, Hey, Alicia,
are these settings okay? And then I either say
yes or no, or I adjust. But yeah, I'd say a good
year from like higher to being completely trained
on everything full service menu would be about
a year. Wow, I think that's that's something
that's good to know if you want to open your
own med spa. I would have not thought of that
at all. I'm like a little bit crazy though I
have really high I'm like so that might not be
every place. But I definitely I'm I just want
everyone to understand how dangerous it can be
if you're not trained. So I kind of maybe overdo
it, but I feel more comfortable with that. It's
good to have those higher standards, especially
in this realm of work, right? Because the risks
are higher. Exactly. And the last thing you want
is a lawsuit or even just if you injure somebody
and Like you've caused somebody pain or you've
caused somebody an unfortunate event. It does
affect you too. Like you are a wreck. It's not
like, trust me, I've seen it. The girls that
are on my staff, it's happened a couple of times
where, you know, something bad happens. They
didn't anticipate. And you're like in a bad place
for a long time. Cause nobody, it's not why you
entered this career, right? You want, you wanted
to help people. So mitigating those adverse events
is like top priority for sure. What do you do
when something like that happens? Like what are
your protocols? Yeah, it depends on the event.
But I mean, let's say a burn, for example, right?
So first course of action would be to have our
nurse practitioner write some sort of a prescription
for them, given this, you know, level of burn
that it could be. And then after the burn has
sort of like subsided and healed, making sure
we're giving them the correct topicals to put
on it so it doesn't scar and then having them
come in on a really consistent basis for scar
revision if we'd need to do that. So it hasn't
happened. I feel like it's only happened maybe
one or two times throughout the course of my
career, but it's, it's, yeah, it's Yeah, it's
really terrible. And it's a lot of time and effort
and money to deal with adverse events as well.
But yeah, like even just a small burn, typically
we have protocols where it's like, okay, if they
need a prescription, then our nurse practitioner
will write them a prescription. If it's just
sort of like a, ooh, you know, we need some aloe
and, you know, cortisone cream, it depends on
the level. But yeah, we typically have medical
intervention, at least a consult about like,
you know, this is what happened. What do you
think? and then go from there so at least we
can be directed medically in the best way. It
sounds like it's good to have a plan of action
in case you need it right and that be something
that you have ready on hand and you train your
staff on it right off the get -go. Hopefully
you never need to use it but the risks are there
because it does happen. Absolutely and lasers
are very humbling and you know it may not even
be anything that you could foresee but you know
maybe they were on a medication they didn't tell
you about or you know something and you're like
what like that's usually what happens right is
there was some sort of unspoken piece of information
that was critical so you know patient assessment
and reading the medical forms and the consent
forms is really important and I'm not trying
to scare anybody off from the profession it's
a very rewarding profession and you get really
impactful results. So, you know, there's, there's
pros and cons to everything. And, and as long
as you're sort of making sure that you're really
on point and you're asking all the questions
and you're being thorough, the chances of an
adverse event happening are very, very slim.
Yeah. And if you're having, if you have an establishment
like yourself and you have lots of staff and
that type of thing, you have all of the protocols
in place. So if someone's looking at doing this
and I find that sometimes people are like, I
want to own my own medical spa and they don't
realize. everything they have to have done in
place and ready to go, maybe the medical director
would help with that side of it, would that be
fair to help guide them on that, do you think?
Yeah, there should be. Absolutely. There should
be safety sort of protocols, you know, a training
manual of some kind. And especially with the
regulated medical professionals, they also have,
you know, like you have to fill out this form
and then you have to like, there's protocols
that they would have for their sort of college
that oversees them as well. So yeah, like 100%.
There's always going to be some sort of protocol
to turn to. But, you know, in a preventative
sense, just make sure you're asking all the questions
and reading the forms. Don't get lazy. Don't
get like, ah, I've treated, you know, because
even if you've had this patient for 12 years,
things change. you know, people start doing different
things or they're on different medications or,
you know, something else has happened. So as
soon as somebody comes to my office, I'm like,
has anything changed with your medical history?
Even if I saw them a month ago, it's like just
getting in the routine of checking in with that
so that you can operate in the best way that
you know how. Don't make any assumptions. Yes,
of course. People lie. They withhold. yes yeah
so it's just like yeah it's not often and most
people are very forthcoming because once you
start to start the conversation is like this
is for your safety then you know it's like i
don't i don't want to poke and pry in your life
i just want to make sure you're safe yeah exactly
and i think that's what they have to understand
it when you just going back to the academy This
is mainly for staff but you do offer it outside
of it. So how does that look if they don't work
in your establishment and they sign up for your
course? Are you okay to kind of tell us a little
bit walking through? Is it all theory and then
practicum at the end or are they getting a little
bit of both of everything throughout and how
long is everything? Just to compare when they're
looking at which car they're going to drive.
Maybe. Yeah, great. I love it. Yeah, so I originally
did develop the Academy for my staff as a training
tool, but I do offer it as a certified medical
esthetician and laser technician training program.
So that is available. All of the theoretical
is online. So it's about 60 to 100 hours of online
theory. And then they would do their practicum
at the clinic with me. So it doesn't necessarily
have to even be my theoretical. I don't I don't
need it to be my theory. As long as they have
a medical aesthetics certificate or laser technician
certificate, I can work with that in clinic as
well. But they do need to have some theoretical
knowledge in order for the hands -on practicum
to make any sense, right? So yeah, my online
content is about 60 to 100 hours. It's priced
at $2 ,000. And that gives you your certificate
and all of the theoretical knowledge for medical
aesthetics and laser technician. And then you
can do your to come with me at the clinic, if
you so choose, which I would highly recommend
doing as well, because yeah, just getting that
hands on practice and muscle memory is like bar
none. Interesting. Yeah. I don't know if we have
more questions or anything else you want to add
to this. No, that's okay. It's an amazing, rewarding
career. Every day is different. If you're more
results -driven, which I think a lot of estheticians
are, right? You love popping your pimples. It's
something that we have in us that I can't explain
other than the satisfaction of it. The medical
side of it gives you... a little bit more of
that satisfaction feeling when you get to really
see a significant change in someone. You know,
a kid's coming in with grade four acne and you
get to really change his life by clearing that
up, that's pretty big. people have, you know,
I have a patient who had a scars from an accident
that I was able to not reverse completely, but
fade to enough where it was like super, super
minimal. And that's pretty cool too. And you
get to really make impactful changes to people's
confidence, which is really, really nice. That's
amazing. So if, if somebody came up to you and
said, I'm dreaming of opening my own med spa,
what would you say? Do it, don't do it. Yeah,
absolutely do it. It's the best. I love every
day. Like I'm happy. We call it our workplace
is like adult Disneyland, like all my staff come
in, they're like, this is Disneyland. I'm like,
I know. Yeah, it's I there's I have nothing negative
to say about the industry every job obviously
has things that like you wish were different
like You know the regulations and stuff like
that, but that's a fight that I can't necessarily
fight on my own But it's very rewarding every
day like you're always being challenged to so
it's never stagnant which aesthetics in general
is never stagnant but medical aesthetics just
like it's so fast and technology changes so fast
and You're never bored. That's for sure. There's
always a new product or a new you know technique
or something coming out and you know we're always
invited to all these fun dinners and you get
to learn and have you know fancy foods and it's
definitely it's definitely a very enjoyable way
to spend your working years. I love that. Well
on that note I loved how you ended that and so
thank you for joining us and I think Doreen you're
gonna add everything about Alicia on the description.
Can you also add that group that you mentioned
on Facebook because sometimes people don't realize
there's actually communities out there that they
can go to. I think you what was it called a Canadian?
Oh, there's so many. I can send you my list.
I'm a part of a bunch of them. There's a bunch
of, it's just like the little groups that, you
know, someone somewhere decided they wanted to
have a group and then you have to have certain
reasons for wanting to join. And there's rules,
like you can't self promote and stuff like that,
but it's just a community building group where
it's really just like asking questions and then
getting people from other estheticians. So it's
really. it's really helpful and it's a good learning
tool and just like being able to ask about different
devices and yeah it's yeah I'll send you those
for sure. Okay I can put those links in but I
mean for our listeners that might not be in Canada
they can just look at just kind of searching
it on Facebook finding their own like local version
of these aesthetics groups. You need somebody
to bounce ideas off of. Ask questions too. Yeah,
for sure. Yeah, it doesn't even have to be Canadian.
Like it's, yeah, there's, even if you just search,
search aesthetician groups, there's so many.
Yeah. Absolutely. Amazing. Thanks. All right.
Thanks again. Thank you. Enjoy the rest of your
day and thanks again for having me. I really
appreciate it. Thanks so much for joining us.
Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to Beauty.