Sunscreen 

[00:00:00] Darine: Welcome to this week's episode of Beauty Babble. Today, we're unpacking sunscreen. From SPF to ingredients, we're busting some common myths and sharing tips on how you can help your clients stay sun safe. This is a very timely topic, today in Edmonton, it's It's, you know, 30 plus degrees and super sunny. 

[00:00:21] Darine: So we're thinking about sunscreen, right? And I thought, Suzanne, maybe you can just kick us off. I said SPF, but maybe we can define SPF first before we get into talking about sunscreen, maybe starting off with some of those myths.  

[00:00:37] Suzanne: Yeah, so SPF is sun protection factor and it really comes down to that number on the bottle that you're buying of how long you're protected for. 

[00:00:47] Suzanne: And I think a note to make is that it's a sunscreen, so think of it like a screen on your windows. It'll keep most of the bugs out, but not all of it. So it's like a filter idea where [00:01:00] there's a, there are sun blocks, which actually have the rays that come and hit the skin, basically reflect right off like a mirror aspect, right? 

[00:01:10] Suzanne: So it's important to understand that. And I think we assume that everybody knows with your clients, you know, make sure that you're explaining these things as reminders because they just, you know, even doctors say, use your SPF, use your SPF. But. They don't really define the difference between the, between them, you know, some of the myths are, as we know, you only need it in the summer, we know that's not true, you should be using it all year round, because sometimes we're forgetting, you know, the time of the day than we are, you know, maybe walking down to the mailbox and it's sunny on a cool day, you're still being exposed to that sun rays, which within minutes. 

[00:01:46] Suzanne: Right. So I think we forget that. Yeah, you're not going to burn within minutes, but it's still the UV is what's penetrating to the skin. What are some other, actually,  

[00:01:55] Darine: before you proceed on to another one, let's, I have some questions for you shared a lot of info there. [00:02:00] When it comes to sunscreen and sunblock, I love the analogy you gave about the screen on your door. 

[00:02:06] Darine: That's really cool. I never thought of that before, but how can you, how are they different in the product? Like, is it easy to identify for clients, like the average person who wouldn't know, other than does it say on the bottle? Like, how can you help your clients distinguish between those two and knowing which one you need? 

[00:02:25] Suzanne: Really, it comes down to a mineral sunscreen is going to be mineral based, which, you know, a lot of people know zinc oxide, so I asked or titanium oxide. Those are like the big I'd say trigger words in that side of things. So you think of a lot of times they sometimes people don't know what it is. Have you ever seen people who are skiing and they use that Colored stuff on their nose or white or whatever it may be that's actually zinc oxide that they're putting straight on their skin. 

[00:02:52] Suzanne: And it helps that the reflection for the skiers, but it's or even football players. Have you seen them put that on their face? Like take [00:03:00] their mask off. That's basically the Their intent I don't think is the sun in a sense But it's about that reflection of the sun as well so they can see clearer. 

[00:03:09] Suzanne: Yeah, so you think mineral based makeup, mineral based sunscreen, sunblocks, I would say. There are makeups that have it. Remember, it's a makeup. You, you really need to understand the depth of protection in today's day and age. That's an expectation that they should be able to tell you as ingredients as well as how does this protect me from the sun? 

[00:03:31] Suzanne: Cause they're using those claims as well in their makeup in their, in the products. Like when you have. This always came up I mean, I'm going back years ago as I, as my most experience, right, with clients is that they, you know, their day cream has both, and I always said to them, it's, yeah, but what's the purpose behind the cream? 

[00:03:49] Suzanne: What's the goal of that cream? If it's an anti age product and it has sunscreen in it, It's the sunscreen that's going to do more of the work than the anti aging side effects of that. Now, is [00:04:00] it anti aging because it has sunscreens in it? Sure. Yes, that's true because it's, it's the sun that protects you. 

[00:04:06] Suzanne: But that's not what we think about when we're buying products for anti aging. We're not thinking that it's a sunscreen, right? So, or even clients aren't thinking that. So really get to know your product. I think I shared this story. On here before how I had recently actually a client of mine she said she had some cream and she just, you know, loved it and it's anti aging. 

[00:04:26] Suzanne: And, and I said, okay, no problem. Like it costs her almost 200 in the department store, I'll say. And you know, she's quite proud that she spends a lot of money on her product and. But she was also going to be investing in some treatments. So she wanted to know, will it work? Is this good? And I said, I'm not asking you to change your product line. 

[00:04:45] Suzanne: However, let's make sure it's going to give you everything you need because I know what my products do right in conjunction with the treatment. So I took it upon myself and she snapped me a picture of what she used and I looked it up and I researched and the [00:05:00] top three ingredients were sunscreen and there was nothing anti aging about it. 

[00:05:05] Suzanne: In our eyes, when we hear anti aging, we're thinking antioxidants and, you know, maybe a trisanoid inhibitor or, you know, things like this to anti age. And she was really upset. And I said, well, they're not lying. They're not technically lying to you because she felt like she'd been betrayed almost that they're protecting from the sun. 

[00:05:23] Suzanne: And we know that sun ages people. So, yeah, that's,  

[00:05:28] Darine: yeah,  

[00:05:29] Suzanne: it's a, it's a, it's a fine line. I said, but I'm not here to put down product lines. I'm just here to help you understand how they do their stuff.  

[00:05:37] Darine: Okay. So I just, maybe just is it then when you are helping your client pick a sunscreen? Are you, then, is it just based on the products that you, let's say you, they're just going to choose whatever product, so you're not confined to the product that you work with. 

[00:05:54] Darine: Is there, I know I'm jumping around here with That's okay. Outlined, but Yeah. [00:06:00] Is there, like, when you're, like, you know, there's the physical and chemical sunscreen, so if it has certain ingredients, it's a physical sunscreen, right? Versus others. So which, what would be a physical  

[00:06:14] Suzanne: sunscreen? Your sun hat, your sun your, your jackets or your Okay. 

[00:06:18] Suzanne: And then anything that you put on  

[00:06:19] Darine: your skin is a chemical sunscreen? Basically, yeah. Okay.  

[00:06:23] Suzanne: Fairness is going to be a chemical.  

[00:06:24] Darine: But then some of them are sunblock, or is it just the ingredients that makes them sunblock? Ingredients. Okay. So, is it, is it fair to just call them all sunscreen then?  

[00:06:37] Suzanne: It the, the heading of it all that most people are going to understand it's SPF. 

[00:06:41] Suzanne: Sunscreen. Use your sunscreen. Use your sunscreen. But then, when you're defining, maybe with your product line, That's, that's where it comes in. You need to educate well yourself to, to be able to say what it's in the ingredients of why it does a better job or whatever it may be that you're, you know, proud of the line you're carrying. 

[00:06:59] Suzanne: [00:07:00] Right. Is to understand the difference in the product lines. So Years, many, many, many years ago, there was not a lot of sunscreen with some of the lines I carried. That's actually why I brought in a mineral based makeup line was one, it was really great for that, but it also had an underlining somewhat of an SPF to it, I'll say today we know more about it than we did, you know, years ago, but it did have zinc oxide and titanium oxide in it. 

[00:07:27] Suzanne: So I knew they were blocking, it was a mirror bouncing off, even if it was short term. It was something and the other thing was because a lot of the over the counter product is for head to toe. It's not, you know, not always just for the face. Right. You know, call me crazy, but I use one for my face and something different for my body. 

[00:07:47] Suzanne: That's why I do that on my kids too. Yeah, yeah. But I see other people like slathering the same stuff all over their kids face and their body. And I'm like, Oh, that's the esthetician. The skin snob in me. [00:08:00] Can you imagine? That should be a GIF. Yeah. Or a meme. Oh my gosh. My kids go to their like, play date with their face sunscreen and their body sunscreen. 

[00:08:15] Suzanne: Oh my God, that's hilarious. Well, since we're talking, let's, let's talk about the other product, the ingredients, because, and then we'll talk about myths. Myths are fun. But let's, since we just started talking about the ingredients, you mentioned zinc oxide and titanium dioxide as two that are that reflective. 

[00:08:33] Darine: There was one Infographic I saw with like arrows and then the one arrow it would go into the skin and then the other one it showed it bouncing off. That's exactly it. And that is like what I'm thinking like the sun, you know, those ingredients would help the sun. Would help it bounce off versus,  

[00:08:47] Suzanne: yeah. 

[00:08:48] Suzanne: One thing is to think of that oily free sunscreen, I think, is a big one, because a lot of people, I could never put that on my face. I understand why people are saying that. It's not like you're hanging out at the lake or the beach, right? [00:09:00] So, you're trying to work, you're, you know, and you got your makeup on and it's sliding off your face or into your eyes or whatever it may be and you can't see during your meeting. 

[00:09:08] Suzanne: Like, I do understand, you know, what people are looking at, but basically it's something that's not going to clog pores. So cost common energetic and oil free if possible. The one thing to know, like oily clients are going to love your zinc oxide, titanium oxide, because they, they suck up during the day. 

[00:09:29] Suzanne: So on that note, think of your drier clients, your more sensitive clients, maybe your older clients. I think I shared that with you during the stories, like I, what I'd have to put on my face once I've used my mineral makeup, it would just suck me dry. Like. Mm hmm. See all the lines in my face from the dehydration. 

[00:09:45] Suzanne: So I really made sure I was using serums underneath and a, and a heavier cream. So usually with products, there's two types of finishing creams, a light cream, you know, for your oily combination skins. and then you're Heavier creams for your [00:10:00] normal dry sensitive, so I'd always have to use my heavier creams even and it's not because of my age now. 

[00:10:07] Suzanne: Now, people, I'm going back years ago. I call that Alberta weathers. Why?  

[00:10:13] Darine: Well, and but yeah, but I think that's important for to tell your client too, because they might not know they're using this sunscreen and it's drying them out and they're going to hate it because they're not your product. Yeah. 

[00:10:27] Darine: Absolutely. So just letting them know.  

[00:10:29] Suzanne: Yeah. So again, it's not necessarily that you, you sell them that sunscreen sunblock or the mineral makeup, but there's, you know, something about it so you can tell them, okay, this is what we need to do. Here's the game plan for you. Right. I'm just happy you're using sunscreen. 

[00:10:44] Suzanne: So I used to tell my clients, listen, even to this day, if you want to go buy whatever sunscreen, okay, that's on you. I'm not going to stop you. I'm going to have you pick a product. I can tell you what you can use here and then protect yourself. Right. But yeah, so zinc [00:11:00] oxide and titanium oxide also are anti inflammatory and antibacterial. 

[00:11:03] Suzanne: So again, it's sucking out the, that has that property to kind of benefit that acne, acne skin. There's also iron oxides. And they also again you can hear the oxides in it. So it's going to still do the reflecting of the light, but it also helps to keep that shine down again those minerals are all about that excess oil and the shine down is because it's actually drawing in and holding. 

[00:11:28] Suzanne: The oils of your skin. So giving that nice light look on the skin, sometimes foundations might have that. So it's something you could look at with your products or again, research your clients ingredients. And yeah, literally you, it's not that I read the ingredient will understand the ingredient. 

[00:11:44] Suzanne: I then Google. the ingredient to see what it is. I mean, we're not scientists and chemists here, so I, and some of you are, so bravo to you that know it off by heart right away, right? Dimelithicone I think is a silicone based ingredient. I think I might have butchered that [00:12:00] name but again, it's for oily skin. 

[00:12:01] Suzanne: It's going to give that mattifying look. And reduce the shine. That's what they pretty much all do. So again, people with dry skin, it's going to naturally absorb your, what oils you have on your skin. So be mindful of that as well. Right. Yeah. And those are the top ones. Silica is another one. It's oil absorbing again. 

[00:12:22] Suzanne: Like those are going to help control the. Excess oil. So one thing why I love it for the oily skin is because most sunscreens they don't like because it's oily, right? You get your acne clients to use sunscreen sometimes because of that base and the other side that people need to understand is when it's active acne or still healing that it's red because the blood's going in there to heal what's going on, right? 

[00:12:47] Suzanne: So we all know what carries blood. What's in blood is melanin. So if you're high concentration of melanin in each of those little pustules, what do you think the sun's doing to that melanin area? [00:13:00] And then you end up with those stains and those spots. So hyperpigmentation. So this is why it's really important for anyone that has anything going on the skin where it's drawing blood to an area, a cut. 

[00:13:12] Suzanne: Maybe, you know, burned, but they're, you know, flat iron on their neck, right? So anything like that, I think people need to remember what's going with the bloodstream as well. And I think that's why it was an, it was always an easier kind of a seller push or, or educational matter to those clients because then they understood better why, and they usually loved it too. 

[00:13:33] Suzanne: Like I said, there was days that I just, I couldn't do the sun. I had to use a cream instead of a. The mineral makeup myself, but that's because of the dry, dryness in the air and everything. Maybe it's by the ocean. Like I've told my husband how many times he doesn't listen. Oh, it'd be very clear though. 

[00:13:49] Suzanne: A very warm climate ocean.  

[00:13:54] Darine: I think when you explain it to clients in that way, like the way you explained when you have [00:14:00] a breakout or something, like when you explain it, nobody would say no. I think a lot of times. Clients might get, you know, defensive or, yeah, yeah, I use it because they know they should be using it, but are they really using it and are they really, like, I don't know, especially some treatments that we do on clients, like, do you really have to be using their sunscreen? 

[00:14:20] Darine: Like, they cannot mess around with it.  

[00:14:23] Suzanne: I know what some, I've had discussions with professionals, they say, well, my client refuses to use sunscreen after microdermabrasion or laser or whatever. And I said, well, then I wouldn't be doing their treatment. I would not. And they're like, really? I said, no, no, no, because it's that this, this sets you apart of, of that level of professionalism. 

[00:14:43] Suzanne: That's like a doctor saying, you know, Oh, I'll do your, you know, your peel for you. And they don't advise you on those safety precautions. You would listen to a doctor, wouldn't you? That's what I tell clients. Absolutely. I always  

[00:14:58] Darine: tell clients, you're throwing [00:15:00] your money away if you're going to do this treatment and you're not going to use sunscreen. 

[00:15:03] Suzanne: Yeah. Long term, long term is what's happening. Like, you know, if, if I always explain to, I'll say the younger demographics of the beauty world. If you don't have anyone in your world over, I would say 60. And older, take a look at their skin, get to know people who do have their skin. I'm going through that right now with my own mother. 

[00:15:25] Suzanne: She's 86 years old and the things that are coming out of her skin now is crazy. And it's all from when she was younger. Right. Yeah. Back later. Oh yeah. And I've taken her to a dermatologist. They're testing you know, It's some form of cancer. It's not going to be melanoma. And that's what everyone thinks is melanoma is, well, yes, that is skin cancer, but there's pre, there's, there's the you know, proactiveness to all of this. 

[00:15:51] Suzanne: So when you see changes in the skin, that's something else to be aware of. And it's not what you expect. We always assume it's a mole that changes. [00:16:00] It could be pigmentation. It's, it's you know, color of the skin, a funny little shape to the flatness to the skin. No, it's just so many things on, on that aspect, especially in our world. 

[00:16:13] Suzanne: And it's on hands. So if you're nail tech, you're waxing someone like, you know, look at these things and that's part of your job of the analysis, right? Like seeing things on other parts is important. You see a mole on their back when they flipped over to do the leg wax. Mention it. You took some degree of skin. 

[00:16:33] Suzanne: Right? When you're doing waxing, maybe not to the, the, the full effect of a, you know, facial technician, but it's enough to, to help like that, I think is our due diligence is to see, cause who sees their back?  

[00:16:46] Darine: Yeah, absolutely.  

[00:16:47] Suzanne: You know, I saw there's an article I was going to share with you too, that this was why 87 percent of Americans ignore SPF and what estheticians can do to help. 

[00:16:58] Suzanne: So the kind of big number 87. [00:17:00] I know, like, you just don't think that's true. That's insane. Insane. So, it has here, so this is the National Library of Medicine revealed statistics regarding sun protection and skin cancer. That, many will find shocking. So, again, this is in the United States. We're in Canada. 

[00:17:22] Suzanne: I'm sure we're not far behind. I always say that we're pretty, we are neighbors, you know. Just less population. So one in five Americans will develop skin cancer before the age of 70.  

[00:17:35] Darine: That's crazy. I'm going to add  

[00:17:36] Suzanne: to that. It's being diagnosed much younger now. In fact Here, one of the things that I've been hearing more about is in Canada in general, that dermatologists are becoming harder and harder to get to because more and more people are needing their skin checked. 

[00:17:55] Suzanne: And they're also, it doesn't help that they're probably leaving and going somewhere else. However, [00:18:00] there's still that side of it that it's, it can be really difficult to get in. So if you have any. You know, apprehension, like, Oh, I'll, I'll, I'll phone later. I'll tell my doctor after don't wait. Cause you could be months and months. 

[00:18:14] Suzanne: And that could be a big difference, right?  

[00:18:17] Darine: Especially when you have public health care.  

[00:18:21] Suzanne: Yeah, just pay the price  

[00:18:22] Darine: differently.  

[00:18:23] Suzanne: Yes, 11 percent of participants reported not wearing sunscreen at all. 13. 5 percent of participants wear sunscreen daily. That's so low. Now, 87 percent of the participants do not wear sunscreen daily. 

[00:18:43] Suzanne: And then, so they are reporting that they'll use it, but not every day. 87 percent of the people that they study. I didn't, I should, I didn't look at how many people they asked, but we can always share this link and people can do that research if they'd like 66. [00:19:00] 5 percent participant believe that sunscreen education should be included in schools. 

[00:19:06] Suzanne: I agree of that. I shared with you a video that I used to show my grade nines. Because I, I said, well, how do I start introducing this to these young kids, right? Mind you, it wasn't just Grade 9s, I, I did it every year, that was the intro to the class, pretty much every term, right? So it's on YouTube. 

[00:19:26] Suzanne: And I can  

[00:19:27] Darine: share the link in the, yeah,  

[00:19:29] Suzanne: it says how the sun sees you and it's perfect. Some people will understand in this industry because the, the black light will show up a lot of those things, but the other side of what sun block does to the skin and what the kids or how they reacted in the video, it's really, really amazing. 

[00:19:46] Suzanne: So it did help quite a few people to understand. And then unfortunately, Until you know someone in your life, if you're not convinced, it's usually when something in your around your world it could even be your own clients. [00:20:00] That make you see it differently or a family member or someone else that you heard of or your daughter's, you know, best friend's mom, or do you know what I mean? 

[00:20:09] Suzanne: Like there's so many things that go on in our world and, and I always looked at it as a, as a blessing that I had so many clients in my life that I got to meet at a very, very young age to see. I mean, when I was really young, I didn't use sunscreen. I still come from that, you know, just hovering that generation that were sun worshipers. 

[00:20:29] Suzanne: And I do love the sun, but. You know, and now I was like, actually thinking this morning when I was going for my walk, I had my sunscreen on, sunblock actually, and I was going, Oh yeah, but then I'm going to be in front of the computer. So now I got to use my DD cream for the blue light. I said, Oh, good Lord,  

[00:20:48] Darine: you should, you should wear your visor when you go out for a walk. 

[00:20:52] Darine: Oh yeah. 

[00:20:57] Suzanne: Oh, you got to share what that, what is, maybe you want to show, [00:21:00]  

[00:21:01] Darine: well, I think by the time this episode gets posted, that video will be on the beauty cults Instagram. Yes.  

[00:21:09] Suzanne: Actually, you know what, and there's people that depending in where around the world they are, they use. Some sort of head protection or sun visors or something. 

[00:21:22] Suzanne: Speaking of that, it's, you know, I was sharing with you too about how I find it interesting the younger generation in some ways are learning quite a bit more. Maybe it's just my own. I don't know. But my own kids adult children, they talk about not only when they look at the weather, they're always looking at the index and I'm just like, Oh my God, I just looked at, okay. 

[00:21:44] Suzanne: I know it's going to be a sunny day. Yay. Yeah, the UV rating, right? I said, Oh my God, that's so cool that they're paying attention to that.  

[00:21:52] Darine: I'm going to do that right now. What is today's? I don't either.  

[00:21:55] Suzanne: Yeah, well, and there's there's a, an image that I found. And what was this 101 [00:22:00] preventing I think ultraviolet. 

[00:22:03] Suzanne: And it has like UV rating you know, one to two is low. So use your sunglasses, wear your sunscreen, wear a hat and protective clothing. And as it moves up the scale, they start adding more. So like UV rating three to five is considered moderate. So you do all the above your sun UV blocking sunglasses, your sunscreen, your hat, your clothes, and then stay shady. 

[00:22:31] Suzanne: It's what they're trying, they're saying stay in the shade as much as you can, especially midday. As it goes up, they're adding on, reduce the time in the sun. And then when you go to like 8 to 10, very high, it's also staying out. Of the sun completely go inside indoors between 2 PM. And that's from eight and up. 

[00:22:51] Suzanne: So you think of that beach and hot weather or the lake, you know, like if it's 30, I think someone's going to the lake soon. [00:23:00] Aren't you?  

[00:23:00] Darine: I am. Yeah.  

[00:23:02] Suzanne: Have that. I'm going to be 35 tomorrow. And then even the umbrella, it's interesting. I'll say reduce the time in the sun, but it's still a cloth. So as you still have penetration. 

[00:23:13] Darine: Yeah,  

[00:23:14] Suzanne: true. So it's just keeping that in mind. When, when, when you're out there enjoying that lovely weather and this could be, you know what, like you can, you can make this own. I mean, we love Canva, don't we? You could do your own little image and post it in your room of, of just giving knowledge or friendly reminders using your sunscreen. 

[00:23:35] Suzanne: Here's some tips for you to do, you know, so I think it's really important. We love educating. We love educating clients, but I think if you just give something easy out, then you're not constantly repeating the same thing throughout your day, and it could just be a post theme of the month, or theme of the week, or whatever it may be, as we talk about our themes, so. 

[00:23:53] Darine: And sometimes, like having a visual. Hits differently than hearing the words, right? [00:24:00] Absolutely. You can hear it, you can hear it, but when you see it, it's like, oh. Yeah. Even that video you shared, which I'll link in the show notes, it's really cool. Like the way they, the way you can see them, like, I don't want to look at my skin like that. 

[00:24:12] Darine: But it's just, it hits differently, right? It makes you realize. I don't know. You come face to face with it versus just hearing it.  

[00:24:22] Suzanne: Absolutely. Isn't that the traditional learner though? Like you learn in different ways. You have to have it presented in different ways for the click. And I think that's what people need to focus on is I've, I've, one of the interesting things that come up a lot of times when I work with professionals these days is that they say, well, just saying it over and over, it's like, yeah, actually, I'm going to tell you what I used to say. 

[00:24:47] Suzanne: That's like saying like when people are tired of this, I used to say this with my staff. That was the theme and you're going to repeat it all day long. Every, Oh my God, I got to say it again. This is like the 10th time I said to them, well, that's your job. [00:25:00] Like, that's what I, that's what we're here to do. 

[00:25:02] Suzanne: And then say, well, really, couldn't I like, can we just post? And I said, posting is good. However, coming from you is different. It's different professionalism. So just, I do this often. It just pops in my head. Like I did with the window screen today. I used to say that before, but that's like saying a gynecologist is tired of seeing lady parts. 

[00:25:22] Suzanne: All day long. Is that not the job they signed up for? Right? So they're like, oh, podiatrist, oh my god, another set of feet. Well, but that's, but that is part of your, if you really, really want to set yourself apart, I'll just say that. Like, own it.  

[00:25:38] Darine: Yeah, absolutely. And I think It every client is in a restart. 

[00:25:44] Darine: Like, yeah, you may have said it before, but you need to like, then this client treat them the same way with the same set of information, the same level of professionalism, all of it.  

[00:25:54] Suzanne: And how many times have, has someone told you something you didn't even realize? And that was the day you [00:26:00] understood it.  

[00:26:01] Darine: You know, and I actually remember another one with, I had a client once and she came in for a leg wax. 

[00:26:10] Darine: She, her daughter was a hairstylist at the spa, salon spa I worked at and she, she comes in regularly. She sees whoever's available. She wasn't like, cause of, you know, cause of her daughter or whatever. And I've always like, Oh, I was talking to her about, you know, how often she should be waxing and why and going through all of that. 

[00:26:28] Darine: And she's like, I've never heard of that. And I'm like, God, lady, I'm part of it is like, maybe. But I don't know if that's a, you know, that could be true, but it also could be that you heard it and forgot because maybe you weren't told every single time that you came in. So even, even if they've heard it, they might need a refresher to hear it again. 

[00:26:51] Suzanne: Yeah, and they literally think, I've never heard it said that way before. I've never understood that. And, and it's like, That's happened to me many times that I was pretty much going to [00:27:00] repeat it every time. Yeah. And I'd be like, well, I did say this before in my head, I'm like, but today's the day it registered. 

[00:27:06] Darine: Yay. Exactly. Exactly. That's how I looked at it. Yay.  

[00:27:10] Suzanne: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:27:13] Darine: It's kind of like chip away, chip away at the barrier of listening.  

[00:27:16] Suzanne: Well, and sometimes too, it just ends up being, you don't know what's going on in someone's world. Like I've had that in my own life, right, where you think, Oh, I never paid attention like that. 

[00:27:26] Suzanne: Like, Oh, I never understood it like that. Or, you know, like, like you mentioned about, you know, sunblock, you understood it until you saw the arrow jump off the skin and the diagram and then watching the video. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's like, Oh yeah, that makes sense. Sometimes you've got to see it in different ways, hear it in different ways and it registers. 

[00:27:46] Suzanne: Right. So, and the thing is we used to focus on the summertime of sun UV production, but you know, as we know, it's all year round. So I think it's something  

[00:27:55] Darine: that's one of the, why don't you talk about the myths then? Cause that's one of [00:28:00] them,  

[00:28:00] Suzanne: right? That was one of them. Well, I mean, every time people is how often are they using it? 

[00:28:05] Suzanne: They say they only use it when they go outside. I mean, I work. I've been indoors quite a bit. I remember saying, well, do you sunscreen every day? I said, no, I don't. And I'll tell you why. Before not so much now, but before. I'd get out of my garage into my car. I don't keep my, my visor open. As a sunroof thing. 

[00:28:27] Suzanne: It's closed. I drive up. I get out of my car into a building all day. Get back in my car, go into my house. Or I go to the gym. So, I'm being honest. The 30 seconds of a walk, I was like, what's that going to do to me? What about when you're driving? But with my head's in there, like I, when I was younger, that's what I was saying. 

[00:28:49] Suzanne: I used to have my son, my visor open and have that air blow in and even talk, take the top of my off and, you know, and, and, you know, I'd wear a hat, but that didn't [00:29:00] protect from my arms.  

[00:29:01] Darine: Exactly. Yeah.  

[00:29:03] Suzanne: Things like that. But what we knew then is, is quite a bit different than we know now too. That's something that's changed with time, thankfully, but. 

[00:29:13] Suzanne: And you don't really see it till later. I think that's another one. Like s spf infuses makeup is enough. It's, it's really not. And I think that's where people need to understand. And I used to, that's the same. I think I mentioned it already. Is that okay? What's the job of it? Is it one first? The sunscreen, the s spf, that's what that is. 

[00:29:33] Suzanne: And bonus, it's tinted. Right. Or are you promoting a makeup that has SPF? So how long will that protect me? Find out what that sun protection factor number is. That SPF number I think is important too. But you know, even on a cloudy day, You know, you're still having 80 percent UV is going through, it's still, it's still will up to 80 percent get through that the clouds. 

[00:29:58] Suzanne: So we know [00:30:00] UVA, UVB are the big ones, right? So, And I  

[00:30:03] Darine: think that like that kind of also marries with the first myth like sunscreens only needed in the summer. But that I think summer, I think like sunny days or whatever, but even on overcast days, you should be wearing sunscreen as well, not just in the summer. 

[00:30:19] Darine: I mean, we, our winters are super sunny, although we have a lot of long, cold winter, it's still pretty sunny. Most of our body is cold covered, but my face isn't, so. What else was on that? It was no need to  

[00:30:36] Suzanne: reapply. Oh yeah. So you do need to reapply. And people ask how often? I said well on average they say every few hours. 

[00:30:43] Suzanne: I said but again it depends on that index, right? Like how, how much are we dealing with? You can't get out of the sun. Another thing I was when I was a lot younger living in Vancouver, I worked in, in the beauty industry but I was also a letter carrier. So I was out in the sun every day. [00:31:00] Three, well, not 365 minus your weeks of holiday, right? 

[00:31:03] Suzanne: But every day as in the sun and reapplying, it's like through it in my bag, you know? So then I'd have that wear my hat you know, too hot to wear the sweaters, that type of thing. But I mean, now they've got such nice clothing designed for that. Like you look at people who are surfers. Right, in the water all the time, they have UV protected, it's not just for their skin on the board, it's also the sun and the water. 

[00:31:30] Suzanne: So, it's an investment for your body, which I think people, we focus on our face because of anti aging, but we forget that our arms will have pigmentation, hyperpigmentation, hypopigmentation.  

[00:31:42] Darine: Yeah.  

[00:31:42] Suzanne: Things will change through that, right? But definitely reapplying every few hours for sure. Is important  

[00:31:49] Darine: is reapplication and the timing related to the SPF number for the SPF number. 

[00:31:56] Darine: Is related to the percentage of [00:32:00] UV rays that are blocked. Is that right? Or protected. Yes. SPF, you know,  

[00:32:05] Suzanne: 30. But it's only minutes apart, hey? It's only giving you, like, what is it, 3 minutes apart or something like that as you go up? So it's  

[00:32:13] Darine: percentage and time?  

[00:32:16] Suzanne: Like the number on the bottle? Yeah. 15, 20, 30, 50, yes. 

[00:32:22] Suzanne: So, the difference between the 30 to the 50 and the 50 to the 60, it's not a big difference, which people think they're protected like another two hours because I'm not doing a 15, I'm doing a 50.  

[00:32:35] Darine: Ah, okay. It doesn't actually protect. You still do that every two hours, regardless of what number of SPF you have. 

[00:32:41] Suzanne: Yes. And if it's lower like I never recommend the 15. Go  

[00:32:45] Darine: higher. Go higher with your  

[00:32:47] Suzanne: SPF number. You know, I think, again, I probably shared this already, my story, but in the winter, I was in Mexico and my husband and I went for a walk and I was going by myself in the morning sometimes. He's doing his thing. 

[00:32:59] Suzanne: And quite early, [00:33:00] like, you know, eight o'clock in the morning on holidays, so that's early. And I'd go for my walk, have my sun, my sunblock on and off I'd go and come back. And then one day he's like, Oh, I want to go. If you wait a little bit, I said, sure, I'll wait. So it was probably about an hour, two hours later. 

[00:33:16] Suzanne: Well, it was way hotter, way more intense. And partway through the walks, I thought we're kind of doing kind of did the same walk as it took me to the ocean, which, you know, that's why I want to learn and walk along it and then come back. Well, we didn't come back right away. We decided to take another route because my husband, when he goes out walking, he, anyone who knows him, he loves to walk. 

[00:33:37] Suzanne: And when he gets going, you can't get them home, which is great. Love it. However, that day I was like, Oh my God, I need to, I need to get out of here. And. You know, he's Portuguese, I'm Portuguese, but we definitely don't have the same skin. So I said, I'm probably going to be burnt. Like this is ridiculous. If I share to the world of my professional friends, I burned [00:34:00] my back. 

[00:34:01] Suzanne: So silly. You'll be shunned. Yeah. So I said, I got it. I got to get head back. And this is near the end of the vacation. So people say, Oh, but you have a base. No, you'll still burn. Has nothing to do with the base. You still burn. So we go back and he's like, Oh, yeah. You are really red. I'm like, yeah. Do you think that plant down there, they mind if we take a chunk of their aloe? 

[00:34:24] Suzanne: So I took the aloe and he's rubbing on my back for me. Do you love my face? So long story short, we were out for three and a half hours. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Suzanne was red all in her back. Very bright red, hot red. Do you know my face? I had nothing, not even a suntan line from my glasses. Oh, and I was using a hat too. 

[00:34:48] Suzanne: Yeah. No, like literally I thought I was going for a short walk, so don't criticize. Don't judge me, people. But it was the 50 SPF from well, I'm going to put a shout out to Bernard Cassier for their Yuzu [00:35:00] 50, because I was like, like, I knew it was good, but I was like, Oh, Lee, this is amazing. And he's like, how come your face isn't red? 

[00:35:07] Suzanne: I'm like, I know. And my neck. And I actually pulled it down into my decolletage, so it wasn't as red. I'm always red there anyways, but it definitely, I wasn't burnt at all where I had that. That's awesome. Wow. That was crazy. And no tan lines, which was, that's an indicator to me where it's usually my sunscreens that I usually use. 

[00:35:27] Suzanne: It's still my sun tan of my sunglasses, right? Yeah. But yeah, it was  

[00:35:33] Darine: do reapply every two hours. If you're like in the sun or you're, or I'm sorry, in the water or you're sweating or something. Yeah, definitely if you're in  

[00:35:43] Suzanne: water, on water, you, that reflection of the water is like, the snow snow's worse actually. 

[00:35:48] Suzanne: People are surprised that they burn. When they go skiing, so clients are going or family, friends or whoever, right. And I was like, make sure you sunblock. And they're like, what are you talking about? You're going to [00:36:00] burn, you know, and especially that Christmas vacation break. Right. That's a lot of people out here go skiing. 

[00:36:06] Suzanne: And that's when I'd say I'd have my sign posted. You're skiing, then you're blocking.  

[00:36:12] Darine: That's so funny. When we go skiing though, there's like the goggles, then there's the fa it's so freaking cold. I get cold. Yeah. Easily. So I'm like, there's no part of me that is  

[00:36:23] Suzanne: visible. But there's some days that were really sunny, right? 

[00:36:25] Suzanne: Because I know some people that they Yeah. And, and, you know, they're shirtless now. It's like, oh my god. And then they wonder why they burned. But yeah. So reapply, my people. Reapply.  

[00:36:35] Darine: Yep.  

[00:36:36] Suzanne: Absolutely.  

[00:36:37] Darine: Well, I think that, you know, we covered what we came here to cover with the sunscreen and yeah, I think, do we have anything else to add? 

[00:36:47] Suzanne: I don't think so. I think it'd be interesting to, to hear back from people. I mean, we love hearing your guys' feedback. If you know of a product that you love and we'll put a shout out to it and, and, you know, we just wanna spread this out to [00:37:00] everyone so everyone knows There's a lot of great lines that have really taken the time. 

[00:37:05] Suzanne: To invest into this and into their product line. And I think it's just part of their protocols now too, because they really see, you know, the rise of skin cancer is, is phenomenal from 20 years ago to today. Yeah, absolutely. . All right. Well, on that note, sad note, we will end today's episode. Thanks so much for listening. See you next time.