Darine: [00:00:00] Welcome to this week's episode of Beauty Babble. Today, we're talking about vagina facials, also known as vajacials. Suzanne, how are you doing 
Suzanne: today? Doing good, another day. 
Darine: All right, this is an interesting topic. I never perform these treatments on clients. But also, I think the name is a little misleading.
Personally, that's my opinion. So, why don't we start off by actually defining what does that 
Suzanne: even mean? Right, because when I first heard it, I was like, I would never do that. Because in my head, I'm thinking literally the vagina. Right. But I know it's for the ingrowns because of waxing. I'm going, but, but you don't wax there.
So why are they calling it that? So I get why they're changing the name. We're focusing on the area to be specific, but I think, I mean, you can call it whatever you want in the end, your treatment, right? But it's really, what are we trying? What's the purpose behind it? I think [00:01:00] you need to be really clear when you say that it's almost like, you know, douching and they're saying don't do that.
So I think people don't realize what it's actually about, right? So 
Darine: if it is a treatment for ingrown hairs, right on the area that you wax, which is, It's your bikini line, pubic mound, outer labia. I think you said it really well. If the hair isn't growing there, then you're not doing a facial on it or vajacial 
Suzanne: on it.
Yes. And I think too, like even people who shave will have these issues and this could be something to help them too. So it doesn't have to be specific to just the waxing, but that's how it all came about was to help people with their ingrowns. But this isn't going to work if they're not going to do the home care.
Right, the once a month thing, not gonna help them. So they still have to be due diligent on, on what they're doing for themselves. So, you know, if you wanna be looking at as [00:02:00] a, you know, the vaal as they call it, but being, be specific to what that means so that people understand you're not doing it there.
Because most doctors you're gonna say no because they're hearing exactly the words, a facial for the vagina. It's like, you don't want to change the pH in that you don't want to be, you know, altering the, the microbiome in the area. And yeah, so I get why there's that controversy and I think because it's not really specific to what's being treated.
Right. 
Darine: Absolutely. So if you are offering these treatments, be very specific in your description of where the, what parts you're, you're doing the treatment on and the purpose of the treatment, because I think that also will get you those clients that are a little bit more hesitant that are going to be like, ah, no, they might actually be like, oh no, I actually need that.
Right? Like anyone on hair treatment, I need that. I don't necessarily want a facial on my vagina. No. Yeah. I'm [00:03:00] just saying, this is the, I'm pretending to be a client. 
Suzanne: Yeah. Well, even like I said, myself, when it first, first heard them, like, what are they doing now? Like, why? Because I assumed it just by the wording, right?
But it's any hair removal. So laser. waxing, sugaring, shaving, like think outside the box is just not for the Brazilian, right? It should be the bikini side of things, like, you know, and really in the end it's, it's helping the hairs to come through the skin. So that's that exfoliation process. If it turns like a little comedone, like a blackhead, then those are easy to come out, but you still need to exfoliate, soften the skin through steam or moist towels, that type of thing.
Darine: Why don't you start us from the top and walk us through, like, the steps for a 
Suzanne: budgetial Okay, I'm doing 
Darine: air quotes for people who are just listening and can't see me. 
Suzanne: I could see you so I knew what you were talking about. Oh, that's funny. So really it comes down to, okay, why are you [00:04:00] doing this treatment on someone?
It's not just for just because it's actually for a treatment of a condition, I guess you could say. So is there ingrown hairs or their clogged pores? Is it breaking out like a, like an acne almost, or a rash, like dry skin or irritation to the skin? So I think you have to look at What what are we doing just like the face you need to analyze and decide is this the best protocol so I think through questions with the person over the phone is an easy way to do it too, to see if they do or if you want to do an in person consultation, I would start there to make sure they're a candidate for this.
Are there any contraindications.
I would think based on. You know, allergies and, you know, what product are you using? Are you making it up yourself or is there a brand that already has it in place for you? I'm always going that way. Right? During brands are, are usually really good at this. Like they put the way to go for us and it's all written and [00:05:00] it's written there all for us.
Darine: Why reinvent something when it's. And sometimes you don't know because you didn't ask, so I would say ask first before you decide to customize. But I think that you need to be mindful of some of the products that you're going to use, as it might be a little bit more irritating, I'm thinking. 
Suzanne: Oh, for sure.
Yeah, like, like, would you be doing chemical peels? I hope not. But again, is that in the protocol of the brand? Like, maybe they've figured this out. They also know where you put it, where you shouldn't put it. So there's all these things I think to take in consideration, right? But I think if, if, if you're, if you say to the client, Oh, I need to go see your doctor to sign off on this.
Let's just say I need a doctor's note. Well, if that client says, well, it's like a facial for the vagina, they're going to say probably no. Because there's no specifics of what it's for and why and where are you putting this product? Where are you touching and what's going on and what's the likelihood of it getting somewhere else, right?
Into the [00:06:00] membrane and stuff like that. So I think it's really important to educate yourself and how it's going to work. And is there anything that you need to know about it that you need to be aware of, of the product that you're using? Most of the time, I think it's going to be simplified, right? If it's really irritated and inflamed.
Are you going to scrub that area? No, not with a scrub. No, maybe an enzyme peel, right? So 
Darine: a good cleansing. 
Suzanne: Yeah. Cleansing. Yeah. Actually, you know what I could do? I mean, I'll give a shout out to a brand that created this because they're masters of waxing. Right. And that's Barrett and the wax queen. And they've, they've had their own protocol in place.
So I can tell you exactly what they use. I'm sure they won't mind a shout out because not 
Darine: at all. And I think we can put that link to their blog where this they have the steps in the show 
Suzanne: notes. The only thing is, is that they're, you know, be mindful of what you're reading in it and where you're [00:07:00] going with it as well.
Again, watching the membrane, that type of thing. It's not actually in the vagina that there's no hair there. So let's not go there, but basically what they start with is a cleanse and they use the body line. It's their green, clean invigorating body wash. And if you, if anyone needs in more detail information about the product, you're new to Baradun, just.
Let me know and I'd be happy to talk to you about it. And then you work on to, so you're going to emulsify with water. You're going to use disposable sponges, gauze, that type of thing. This is all disposable. And to emulsify and to remove. You want to make sure it's all off. Then you're going to use their enzyme peel mixed with their power scrub.
And you're gloved up the whole time, by the way. You're using gloves and you're going to use your own hand, or if you want to use a light brush, you could, just being gentle with it if you are using a body brush in any way, and work on that area, and then you're letting it sit for five minutes. Using under steam, [00:08:00] or a hot towel, hot wet towel will work as well.
And then you remove all of that, and then they do the finishing step by applying their lavender lotion, which is their aftercare in their Bearden system for post waxing or pre waxing, pardon me, as well, so you can use it, and that just brings it all back to I guess you would say that normalized pH level of the skin, and then you're nourishing, you know?
With their post wax essential oil, about four to five drops of that. And then applying a thin layer of their detox clay mask. And that's a huge one because that's the one that's actually going to detoxify and heal. Still bring the moisture to the skin, not dry it out. And that stays on for about ten minutes.
And then you're going to wet the area again, maybe with sponges or with your gloved hands again, and then remove that all. And then they finish with their application of their post essential oil. So that's about three to five. So it's a blemish control one as well. And then post wax soothing [00:09:00] cream. And that's what they do.
And then at home there's protocols you need to do exfoliation at home. You can do even you know, the post wax soothing cream. Some might even be able to benefit from a post deflatory cream that helps to slow the hairs down as well. So you can manage it better. Again, that would just depend on the client, if they're pregnant or not, and just understand all the contraindications of the product you're using, but, and that's it benefits of it is it's going to help soften the air.
So the hairs go through on that, that point there is extractions, right? So I think I missed that part to talk a So after the enzyme peel, And the scrub that you're doing after exfoliation, when you extract, you're going to remove after the steaming. But this is where, you know, you and I had these discussion, this discussion, why we thought we'd bring this on here is because when I was doing electrolysis, that's where this all came about was hairs would be stuck and underneath and they would break out.
And even [00:10:00] in bikini waxing. And I would tell my client it's still inflamed, meaning it looks like a pimple. So I've taken the hair. Out of under the skin, but I'm leaving it in there because if you look at the follicle and there's inflammation, it's red and puffy, then there's still healing going on. So if you remove the hair, how long it takes to heal, there's a little longer too, right?
So how the hairs are going to come out, is it going to get trapped again? And then we start that cycle again. So I used to tell the client I've lifted out, I've trimmed it. So it's just sticking out of the skin. Once it heals, heals completely, no redness to it. You can pull it out if you want to, right? Yeah.
But otherwise, most of the time, I think most people that are waxing know that they look like a blackhead almost, or they're just dead right along the top of the skin. And you can tell because that's not exfoliating and not hydrating the skin. Some people are exfoliating all the time, but they're not creaming, they're not putting in cream after.
So then what's the purpose of exfoliating if you're not [00:11:00] keeping that hydration level up too. So I think being mindful of that as well, and don't go digging. It should be very easy to come out or access, but to dig deep. It's not worth it. I would just have them do, you know, their post wax oil on it right there.
The blemish control spot treated. So you can get the information now. Right. But I 
Darine: think too. Understanding how your client got to the point where they needed this treatment because A, they may not have known what kind of home care that they needed to do. So educating them on how they need to continue to care for this skin and to avoid having future ingrowns is really important.
And. Making sure there is we all have clients that don't like to do, you know, following protocol and doing that their homework or whatever. But it just explaining that is very important because you got to a point where you needed a treatment for your ingrowns because you weren't caring for the skin properly.
So this is how you do [00:12:00] that. Here are the products to help you do that. And then maybe they come back for another treatment in, you know, however much time you recommend. But having a. Like a little treatment plan for them is important because it's not you come and you get the treatment and you're good, then you don't need any more, you don't need to do anything.
Home care is always, in my opinion, like 80 percent of the, the factor, right? If you're not doing it at home, you're, you know, you're not going to see 
Suzanne: the results. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, I think like how often can a person do this? I think after immediately after, I mean, everyone's different. There's some people you can handle it right after there's others you can't.
So I think that's going to be client based as well, but setting up a treatment plan, especially if it's the first time waxing is letting them know that I'd love for you to come in a few weeks. Let's do this treatment to avoid anything. And then you get a chance to see if they're doing their homework.
Okay. Yeah, really? And to avoid it. Or tell them, I would, I probably [00:13:00] would have warned them and say, well, if you're not doing it, then you're coming in before you're waxing treatment for one of these treatments. So then a benefit from the waxing after. There you go. Yeah. Right. Cause I can't get the hairs.
I can't go over an area that's all inflamed and have pimples and right. So I think that's important for them to understand as well. So knowing your clients is important and educating them, just give them all the facts, all the information. If you tell them the why behind it, you're not just trying to sell a product to them.
There's a why behind it. It'll help them understand. Right. So I think otherwise it's great. There are people who are prone to it. It's just the way their hair grows and this might be part of their regime. It could be, it's hard to say. There was always some people I knew that just, they did everything they could, but it's still not be a hundred percent clear.
Absolutely. 
Darine: And I think it's good to have this as an offering for those clients. So if you don't do them, you know, it could be something you can reach out to your brand and see if that's. And they offer a [00:14:00] protocol or if you know somebody who does them, go get one and see how it feels. Cause I'm a fan of like trying before I do anything on my clients and then, yeah, let us know when the, send us a message and let us know if you, if you do the treatments or if you're going to try one.
Perfect. Well, thanks Doreen. Thanks so much. We'll be back next week.