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your lash tech. I mean, you want to really brighten their eyes. You could do a little

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bit of Gua Sha around our eyes at the end of treatment just to brighten it, right? If

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you are doing manicures, nails, you could be adding that in your massage and helping

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to break down the fascial lines in the tissue as well.

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Our topic today is Gua Sha. Basically, what is it and why now?

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Well, it's actually been around for a long time, but I think we can think like hashtag

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and Instagram for really kicking this off to another level. It really started probably,

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honestly, a couple of years ago, but it's taking off more and more as people are learning,

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I think, that holistic side of things that they're incorporating into their lives, which

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through that time of years ago, the C word and we'll bring it up, I think put people

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in another level of understanding how important their health was and how little things can

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help throughout inside to outside. And actually, it's Chinese medicine that from thousands

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of years ago, I think back in the Stone Age, probably, where they first actually dated

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back as a medical process in the medicine in a natural way. And it's developed, I mean,

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what they've done with it is changed it slightly. I mean, you take it into North America's

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hands and it will kind of customize to how it would work here. But even in Europe, I

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mean, there's products based company of skincare that are incorporating this into treatments

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as well because they're seeing the benefits and how it's helping and it changes it. So

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if you're on that holistic side of your treatments and that is a great little tool to add into

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It is a great addition because I mean, this conversation kind of started when you were

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giving me a treatment. And you were doing the Gua Sha massage. Is that fair to say a

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Gua Sha massage?

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Right, to show how you can incorporate the Gua Sha tool into your treatments.

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Yeah. And it was really, really nice. And I remember asking you about it. And when you

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said that it had been around for very long, my big thing is like, why now? What's wrong

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But that makes sense when you explain the 2020 probably.

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you doing? You were probably online researching and looking and seeing things. And then how

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it is once that trend happens in a sense is that it really takes off and then more and

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more people are jumping into it and seeing. And I mean, home-based tools, you weren't

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being able to go get treatments done. So it was really, that's what's so complementary

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to this is you could have your treatments done professionally, but you can carry this

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on at home as well. And it'll help. And I mean, physiotherapists do not think wash a

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stone per se and it's not as gentle, but it's like a scraping and that's deep into the

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tissue. And that's actually what they used to do in Chinese medicine. It wasn't this

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gentle light kind of treatment. They did, but it was, I mean, they didn't have beautiful

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carved out, gouache stones. They used, I think it was a bone, a rock's bone and then

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a with a metal spoon, like, and hence where the metal comes into play with some of these

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stones. But then you add that therapeutic side of stones. Like some people believe, you

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know, that Jade, for example, is a stone of eternal youth.

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So give me some tips.

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per se. It's just really see what resonates with you and what feels good. I mean, each

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stone is going to represent the colors of the stone represents a big difference.

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That's really interesting. And I think it gives estheticians that are doing the regular

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facials or treatments, a way to add a more holistic relaxation element to their treatments.

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Yeah. And even through, if you're, if you're a lash deck, I mean, and you want to really

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brighten their eyes, you could do a little bit of gouache around our eyes at the end

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of treatment just to brighten, right? If you are doing manicures, nails, you could be adding

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that in your massage and helping to break down the fascial lines in the tissue as well.

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Pedicures.

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Same thing, right? Back treatment. I mean, the same thing.

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The stones are amazing to be using in treatment. And I would just say, you know, you can take

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like courses on it, workshops. You can also see online a lot of things. Just make sure

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you're looking at some reputable and they know what they're doing with it because you

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are working with a static system. And that's part of why it's so brightening and radiant.

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And yeah. And then a lot of times with the products, they're sometimes they're putting

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together like a protocol on how to implement it within your facial treatment. And I've

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helped some institutions with that, with products that they're using. And how can they

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implement this lens of S-type tip was and learn from it as well.

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Okay. I have a lot of questions.

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The first thing I think kind of outline, maybe bullet pointed for us the benefits. You said

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lymphatic and radiant skin. Yeah. But maybe just out one them again for us.

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Okay. So basically, when you're working on skin, we know their circulatory system and

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our lymphatic works, I guess you could say with our circulatory system. And the reason,

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for example, in a facial, as some of you would know this is the reason we work outward and

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down is because you're working with lymphatic. The reason we start on the chest area, the

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decollete is the major lymph nodes are here. And you want to train that before you drain

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from the face. So you're working that with your hands. So the same process would happen

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with the stoves and then the direction of what you're doing. And the only thing I'd

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add to that is when you look at pictures, I mean, even Google lymph nodes of the face

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and the neck is going to include behind the ears. And that's why you take in behind the

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I think you did that with my treatment. It was really lovely. And then you used temperature

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changes, which was my favorite part, because you started off with warm and then the cold,

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which I was hesitant because I don't like cold things. I don't want to be cold, but

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it was actually really nice. I really liked it.

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outcome is. So what is the purpose of the temperature?

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and then working warmth on the skin is going to start to soften everything as well and

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bring some circulatory to the stop. So it starts working with lymphatic. At the end,

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when I did cool, it's that same concept at the end of a treatment when you want to have

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not a hot facial like towel on the end. That's just me personally. I like to do things where

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it cools slightly. So it's just everything's kind of, you know, are saying is closing the

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pores even though we know we don't close pores. But that idea of just calming everything

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back down and then weirdly enough, it feels really good when you have the cooling on the

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skin too. So I know most people are like, I don't like cold. I don't want it cold. And

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it didn't go as cold on you too. No, wait, that that wasn't your favorite part of the

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facial was the cold. But yeah, it's we're really working with the the body itself, the

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tissues of the skin, the circulatory, the lymph. And you need to one thing about lymph, and

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that's why they say you need to move your body every day is because lymph just doesn't

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just naturally kind of drain on its own like it's through working the body and like pressure.

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That's always the biggest thing. And so it's so light. Yeah. And you can even I mean, they're

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getting so creative out there. It's amazing to watch it going in the mouth. And they're

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working on the cheek and the and the TMJ. You need to take your proper training on these

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things. But there are physiotherapists that are doing chiropractors doing it really working

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in there. And so on ours, just stay within the, you know, the protocols of what you're

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trained to do as well, which leads me to my next question in that, can I just go pick

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up wash us stones and start doing it? If I'm an esthetician and I just kind of wing it

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and incorporate it in my facials, or is it recommended to actually follow a treatment

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or find a YouTube video? What do you recommend? Yeah, I mean, out there now, I mean, there's

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so many resources to look at. I don't know if they're good or bad. It's really, I would

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look at disperstopt. Does your product line have anything? Maybe they have treatments

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already that they're, you know, they're doing we're fortunate enough with the brands that

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we carry that they're really on top of these things. And I mean, they already started this

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last year, bringing the protocols into a specific treatment, and then training everyone on it

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so they could launch it. And that was early this year already. So they do take it quite

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seriously and respect the fact that this is holistic Chinese medicine. They're not just

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bringing and winging it. They did their research, they're looking. So that's one way I would

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do it. The other way is to look for places that are offering courses. And what is their

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background and what do they know about it as well? Yes, you can go on a YouTube video,

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but there's just that would be a great way to start to see if it's even something you

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would want to do. Yeah, and maybe do it on yourself first to see what you think of it.

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We'll get a treatment. Go get it. Come to me. I'll do it. Yeah. But on you. Do the

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hot colds. Yes, you might have to travel, but that's okay. Worth it, I promise. Yes.

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Yes, she's good. You could also come to beauty culting. Yes. Yes, that's right. Yes. Yeah.

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So we could just plug beauty cult in there shamelessly. Yes, that's okay. What else?

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I think one thing about Chinese medicine, I wrote this down so I wouldn't forget it

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because I read this out of an article from Vogue who brought this up like years ago and

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it says that Chinese medicine basically it's learned the root of what's causing your imbalance

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with the emotional emotional issues. So that's where that holistic side comes to play with

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it. And that's why I think if you're into holistic side of anything health wise for

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your body, then I think you'll understand a little bit more because they're really

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balancing the chi, the energy of the body, that type of thing. And if you're going for

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acupuncture, you're going for cupping, you're going for time massage, you're going like

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there's so many things without realizing that you're incorporating holistic treatment in

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what you're having done right now or what you're delivering to your clients without

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really recently. Right. Realizing what you're doing. Do you think that if an esthetician

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is already doing services but not using holistic treatments, is that something that you would

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recommend they explore? I would recommend that because if you're not doing it yet, you need

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to look at doing it because that's where the trend is. I did a podcast on this, on the

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trends and what's going on in our industry because everyone's worried what's happening

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to this industry. And I said if you keep up with it, you'll understand that the holistic

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side, again, I think because of what happened in our worldwide situation three years ago,

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it made people learn about health and educated people to take care of themselves. And even

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if you're a medical spot, you can look at incorporating these things in. And you'll want to so that

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you're staying with the trends of what's going on so that you know, for example, you can't

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be doing clients that fillers and Botox and there's a lot of protocols to it. But you

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can do things before you offer the treatment and offer that relaxation side, offer that

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tranquility and that calm of everything. Because a lot of times a facial is a facial but what

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we do during it before, after manicure, pedicure, Botox treatment, whatever it may be, you can

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really probably bring in a little more zen into people's lives. And it does for you too

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because you have to, you can't be uptight when you're delivering this type of treatment

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because you're they're going to know that.

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And sense your energy.

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Yeah, and you can't fake it. Like you learn it, practice it, it's really good to do. And

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if you want to practice, I'll be your model.

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Or me. I'm a really good model. I did want to note that the show that you referenced,

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we'll just put a link to that show in the description so you can go back and watch the

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The Beauty Babble.

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Yeah. So I am seeing, I'm looking at your computer and checking out your notes. And

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I'm seeing some crystals. Yeah. So they're used made up of stones. I have one.

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Is there some that you would recommend? Like let's say I'm on the hunt for some quash of

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stones. Which ones should I get? I don't know. Like what would you recommend? What type?

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So many questions. I know. Well, like for example, I mean, a clear stone is always an

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easy one that goes with any type of skin, energy-wise as well. So this is for all types

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of soothing, it's cooling. And this is just your crystal, clear crystal. But I mean, you

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can get rose quartz, you can get jade, you can get, there's so many stones out there.

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many people even carry a stone on them because of whatever they're going through. There's

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so many people have taken my rose quartz. Exactly. And so maybe ask them why and do your research

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with your client base to see, you know, where you can start. It's such a small investment.

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And if you are, I would really recommend the other side of that is you should carry it so

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that your clients can do it at home as well. So they're really, yeah, and you can retail

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it and just be mindful of the costs because I mean, you can go on Amazon guys and get

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this stuff for fairly reasonably priced. So just be mindful of that. And you know, the

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different, there's so many stones. Is there one that you shouldn't do or that's not, it

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depends on the, it's going to be based on the service you're doing. So like the black stone,

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absedin, obsidian, thank you. That is going to be for your congested acne skin because

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this more warming is decongesting that type of thing. I'm going to go home take all my

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crystals and start decongesting my skin. I'm going to show you the one that I was using

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at the start and I'm actually loving this is caught me doing it before. And what we're

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doing in Guaccia, say, well, I should do this really quick on myself. Hadaka actually has

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this and it's a metal one, but it has microcurrents in it. So if you're an esthetician, you'll

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understand microcurrents. So basically it's going to help with more drainage and clearing

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the skin, we like building up that circulation. And because it's metal, it's soothing. It's

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a really heavy feel. Have you felt this yet? No. And how you won't feel microcurrents with

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this like it's not a plugin type. So you don't feel it, but it is in there. Well, that's

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not the engineer of it. But we should find out. Yeah, I'm going to find out who did this

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and maybe they'll come on and talk to us about it. Yeah, why they developed it. But that's

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another great thing. But the thing is to charge it, you'd need to leave it in the light. So

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if you close it up, that's so cool. That's amazing. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And light in general.

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It's not something like, yeah, okay. Just any light will help charge that. So this one

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is newer to me even though it's been around for a little while. But I like it because

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it's so cooling. So if I want it to be really cool, like, you know, when you're on your

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computer all day and you're strained with your eyes, they did this the other day and

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that's hard to think of these things of ourselves because we're busy trying to develop for you.

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that tension that you get from concentrating, it just relieved it. I'm like, oh, you know,

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I usually go to coffee, but now I can, you know, feel a difference in my face and in

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my eyes. And I don't know, like, I'm sure it looks really smooth, but just the feel

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of it is so comforting. Yes. And I think one of them were the similar. It's so soft. I'll

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show you the difference with the stone in this one. That's pretty, she doesn't mind

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it all, right? So when you feel this one, so I don't have anything on your skin right

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now. Oh, your nails. Oh, thanks. Don't bother mine. And feel the difference. It's a little

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heavier. It is. It's very cooling. It is very different. Yeah. So it depends what you're

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looking to do and how to do it. And you don't have to go heavy. I can go really light and

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control it or allow the weight of it to do the work. Do you feel the difference? I do.

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Yeah. Actually, I need to feel it again. Can I feel it? Well, you can. It actually hurts.

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And you know, another neat thing to do is depending on what products you have, you can add in

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products that help with tight skin, tight muscles. So like even chiropractors and that

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like some are getting more into these things and are using the products that they have

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to assist it. So you can go even deeper with it or maybe you have essential oils and you

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can use essential oils as a calming. Right. I'm starting to. She's not going to run. So

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we're going to. So relaxing. Yeah. So I think like keep up, start like, check out the podcast

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because we're trying to bring in these things because I think that's something that we want

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to help support the beauty industry. And if you have a question about something like a

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trend, let us know. Yeah. Maybe you'll see. There's like, it's a form that is so that

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we have your contact information so we can reach out to you if we need more information

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about your question because some have come in and it says just a word. I don't know.

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Microdemigration. What's your question? Yeah. What is it that you want to know? Because

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we can talk about all sorts of things. Well, I sure can. Totally. Yeah. So if we have things

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like that, then I contacted, then I understood what they were looking for. You know, another

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one was like all about business. It's like, where do I begin? It's a very broad. It's

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a very broad. Yeah. So do send us the questions. You'll see it under our link, like how to

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reach us and yeah, it'll be in the description, the show notes. It'll help us because we

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want to make the things that you want to listen to and watch and we might not know about

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it. But it'll help us learn. And maybe I could get another treatment in the process. Exactly.

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And then maybe we can even get the expert involved because we are bringing in guests

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to come and interview. Very exciting. Yeah. We've got them all lined up. So we're excited

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for this to get a little more in depth with this resource of information for you all.

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Absolutely. And if anybody has questions, like you're very great at answering questions

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too, so they can reach out to us anytime or social media. Help us a question and we will

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try to answer if we can. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. This has been great. I think

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I need some more treatments. So maybe we can go do that now. I think I need to show you

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how so I can get it and then tell her, I think you need to do the. I need to practice. Awesome.

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Well, thank you. Yes. Thanks for the expertise and for the treatment that was a couple days

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ago, but I have not forgotten. It was lovely. Excellent. Well, thanks to everyone for joining

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us. And we'll see you at the next episode. Yes. Thanks for listening to Beauty Babble.

