I think I stink.
 I think I smell like Chipotle is what I  I smell, I feel, I just feel like I smell.
 I told Sean,  don't worry.
 know, Sean, or no, you're Brea.
Brea and I breakfast.
No,  okay, I can do this.
 I told  my husband Sean  that you, my friend, Brea, and I went to dinner  before podcasting.
 That makes sense.
Now I don't remember why I'm telling you this.
 With you the sun is shining 24x7 Cause  when we're together  it feels like we're in heaven If it will get dark you'll be my million stars  I know I can lean on you  Welcome to episode 98 of Delete This History a podcast by two besties of a certain age Searching for answers.
We are your host Cara Burch and Bre Brown Is my microphone level sound okay to you? I think so.
I feel like it sounds a little low It won't be once you get started.
I need to you start uh I'm Aunt Loudie.
There you go.
That's better a little bit.
Okay What's happening Well, we're gonna do podcast now.
Oh, okay.
 But I'm going to greet you.
Oh.
Hello, friend.
Hello.
How are you?  I'm  just here.
It's a Monday.
It is.
February's over.
Thank  God.
Bye bye, February.
 I hate that month.
Everybody does.
 Every year, I think I forget how much I hate it.
But the weather sucks.
I mean, it wasn't as cold this year, but it was so up and down, up and down, up and down.
So, I had constant headaches and allergy problems and blah, blah.
And then the days are short.
Work is a nightmare in February.
It just feels like the entire world is in an end of winter, like holding pattern.
Like nobody wants to go do anything.
Nobody, cause it sucks.
And they're really crabby about it.
Taylor Swift even inserted how horrible February is into a song.
Oh, see?  Endless February's.
See? Yeah.
 If I was a Swiftie, I would know that.
She's not wrong.
 And you should be.
 Yeah, it's the shortest month of the year.
And yet it just feels like it drags.
 Yeah.
And now all of a sudden here it is March.
 I know.
What? What is happening? Football is so close.
  That took me by surprise.
 And I was like, oh, is it?  Wow.
 So, we hadn't watched The Kingdom, which is  a documentary about the Chiefs on Disney, if anyone's interested.
 It's old, though.
It's like two seasons old.
Yeah.
 But it was really fun to watch because they were winning so much the year that they were.
 But this is the year that they got all the way to the Super Bowl and lost.
Yes.
But it was really fun to watch.
It was fun to watch a winning Chiefs.
so we watched that on like a Saturday night  and I got up the next morning thinking, okay, what am I going to make for football food?  And what time does that start? Like I, my brain went right back  into football season.
And then you should have seen me crash when I realized that football's over.
was like, like, I don't even know what to do with myself now.
I already have plans for the day of what I was going to do.
uh Yeah,  I'm like having to be all productive now and do shit.
know right  actually unloaded a dishwasher.
Oh, man did some laundry rock bottom   I hadn't done laundry for two weeks.
Oh.
And so when I did...
You're so cute.
Oh, I do laundry every single week.
 But I hadn't done it for two weeks.
And let me tell you, yesterday was a chore.
Actually, it took Saturday and Sunday to get it all done.
Oh, yeah.
 We will never be done with laundry.
We are so far behind on laundry.
That's terrible.
That will just never be done.
Oh, my gosh.
No.
Laundry has a beginning and an end.
I do not drag laundry out.
I've just given up.
 You have twice the amount of people in your house that I do though.
But  they do their own laundry.
Oh, well we do too.
 So, does everybody have, oh this is riveting podcast.
Does everyone have their own laundry day or how does it work? It's just whenever someone needs to do laundry.
Yeah, Peyton does laundry  more than any of us.
eh He does laundry like every other day.
 Oh my lord.
He is...
 Fastidious.
Jackie, I don't think she ever does laundry.
I don't know how she, I don't even want to think about it.
Don't want to think about it.
I think maybe she sneaks stuff in with Peyton's clothes.
That is so.
Because she knows he'll do it.
That is such a good idea.
I know.
I'm thinking I'm going to start doing Just see what happens.
A client does, we do our laundry together.
Okay.
Like our laundry is all mixed up.
and he's finally learned not to put my sweaters in the dryer after 20, how many years? Very good.
 26?  What's this year? This is 26.
 Oh, geez.
Yeah, this year it will be  29 years.
 29.
Because we were married in 1997.
Wow.
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
Anyway, yeah, this is riveting.
But anyway, I've had a laundry basket full of clean clothes in the living room for a month now.
No.
With just my clothes because Clint sorted them out and he took his clothes out.
And did, you know, folded his own clothes and he was like, here, I sorted your laundry out.
 And I was like, thanks.
My gosh.
And it just, it's just sitting there on an ottoman oh and it's just been sitting there for a month.
I can't do that.
Cause February was so stupid.
I understand.
And I was like, I'm just not doing it.
So, I've just gone out there and picked clothes out of the laundry.
 Need new underwear.
Here we go.
 Yep.
No, I can't do that.
I know I'm.
I'm so, I'm so lazy.
There's no judging.
just, that's, I can't do that.
I can't let it just sit there and stare at me.
I've stopped seeing it.
It's just my new dresser.
understand.
 It's  funny how quickly that happens.
Oh man.
Yeah.
I put something on our hearth.
What was that? I laid it on our hearth and it just sat there and sat there and I just didn't see it anymore.
Yeah.
And then one day,  oh,  it was when you and Clint were coming over and I started looking at the eyes, know, looking at my house with visitor eyes.
I was like,  oh my gosh, that thing has been there forever.
And that's when it finally got put away.
 Our dryer's being repaired  on Wednesday.
It still works, but  it sounds terrible.
 It's going to die any day now.
So, we called a repair person to come replace the part that needs to be replaced.
 And I was like, oh shit.
There's gonna be a stranger in my house.
 But he's coming to fix a laundry machine.
So, he probably won't think a thing of it that I've got a basket of laundry in the living room.
Won't even think about it.
He's like, oh.
Imagine what this fellow has seen.
These poor people.
I know.
I think about that anybody who goes into other people's houses.
Yes.
 They've seen stuff.
On a regular basis.
Yep.
Yeah.
 What else you got going on other than your dressers in your living room?  Okay,  you want to play a game?  I do.
All right, let's do it.
 Oh, wait, how do we do this? Now it's time to play a little game we like to call...
Oh, yeah.
 Search me.
 Thank you, Brea.
 This is when we ask each other one trivia question from our Weet...
 Internet...
Weets-things.
Weets-internets-travels.
 Travels is...
Okay, Brea, today, your question.
is  circa 1685.
 Dutch botanists grow this fruit for the first time in Europe.
 It exists elsewhere, but this is the first time it's grown in Europe because it don't belong there.
 cannot  grow there.
 The fruit is so rare, it later is rented for parties at a status symbol, not for food.
know what it is.
They were grown essentially in greenhouses called...
Pinaries.
was a very slow labor intensive process to grow them so they weren't readily available to eat.
Christopher Columbus brought them back from Europe in the late 1400s.
Brea, what is the fruit? It's a pineapple.
It's a pineapple.
Yeah, people would have them like decorations in their house and they would just rot.
That's exactly right.
So, gross.
And so then people started like do using iron.
or metal to create, you know,  know,  like pictures  of pineapples like in their gates out front or like as decorations.
It meant welcome.
Rather than  the actual fruit that did not last.
 My parents had two pineapples  on the  brick.
 I don't know what you would call that, like leading up to their porch.
 They had like these brick.
Like a stoop.
 Well, it wouldn't be a stoop.
It wasn't.
It was like on the sides.
Yeah, yeah.
But it was like a wall almost, but not a wall.
Like knee-high wall on either side of the steps up to the porch.
Does that make sense? Knee-high wall.
Yeah.
Okay, got it.
Anyway, they had two pineapples on, you know, one on either end,  one on either one.
And it meant welcome.
Yes.
I told them it meant that they were swingers.
No, no.
  And you all just learned something if you didn't already know that.
 My source for that was New York Times flashback quiz.
Yeah.
My flashback quiz.
love it.
 I know.
I'm kind of jealous.
 I get a lot of facts from that.
I want to play it.
Yeah, I'm going to burp.
Hang  on.
  So, we're gonna talk about food now, okay  Which popular sugar substitute currently on the market in the US does not  include? potentially cancer-causing compounds I'm giving you multiple choice.
Oh, okay.
 Is it equal? sweet and low Truvia or Splenda I Think it's Truvia  I think it's Splenda.
I think it's Truvia.
I think it's Truvia.
It can't be equal or sweet and low.
You're correct  to rule those out.
Okay.
It's Splenda.
 Oh, okay.
It contains dextrose, maltodextrin, and sucralose.
All the others contain the chemicals aspartame, saccharin, and or ACE-K.
I'm not even going to try to pronounce the full chemical name.
 And or the sugar alcohols.
erythritol, erythritol, yeah, sorbitol  and  or  xylitol.
Oh yes, good old xylitol.
Of course.
 All of these have been shown in laboratory testing on rats  to promote cancer growth, although there has been  no widespread human testing.
Yeah, yikes, yikes.
Weird on that.
Or overwhelming evidence linking cancers with these substances.
I just don't like Splenda.
It just is too sweet.
 It is very sweet, but it tastes the most like sugar to me.
I've just tried it.
I would rather not have sugar than eat Splenda.
I don't eat it like plain or anything.
Well,  I just put it in my coffee.
You don't pour it out on a spoon and eat it.
That's how I tried it.
 It's so like fine.
Yeah, it's weird.
Oh my gosh.
It's almost almost like um confectioners sugar.
Yeah.
I put it in my coffee and that's really the only thing I use it for.
um Anyway, my source was the Mayo Clinic.
m Good old Mayo Clinic.
Hell yeah.
We both use the Mayo Clinic pretty often.
I you were going to say Splenda and I was like, you're a liar.
No, no.
 Yeah, we do.
It's a reliable source, I feel like.
It is.
So, we share that.
Yes, we do.
Which brings us to our next segment.
Yes.
Shared history.
 All right,  Brea.
Yes.
I was on the internet this week.
No.
I was.
really was.
And I saw a meme that someone had placed on their Instagram account.
And it says something to the effect, my entire time in elementary, the windows were always to the left of my desk.
And so I stopped and I thought about that.
like, I think during elementary, can say safely like 90 % of the time, the windows were indeed to my left as I sat in my desk.
Now there was one year that the teacher was cool and she let us all sit in groups of four.
 So, we were kind of like islands.
So, we were all facing different directions.
But apart from that year, I always had the windows to my left, no matter whether it was in this wing of the school or that wing of the school.
Yeah, so I looked it up.
Some of the answers were  most people  are right-handed.
Yes.
So, if the window light is coming from the left, you're not casting a shadow on what you're writing.
Correct.
Another one was sunlight orientation considerations to maximize consistent lighting throughout the day.
 And if there were designs that were found to work, like this school design, we've really thought it through,  it was just copied over and over and over, which is why schools across America that  built a certain time all look exactly the same.
 So, that was part of it too.
 So, then that kind of got me to thinking about elementary, you you get, you think back on the things like, Breanna knows one of my favorite things is that I used to use in first grade was the fluorescent Crayola coloring.
are you crayons? Thank you.
You can't find them anywhere.
I love those things so much.
You can't find them anymore.
I can't find them anywhere.
Cause I went, what did neon dye or fluorescent colors? I don't know.
After I know what happened, but they were amazing and I loved them.
especially around Easter time, we had some really good pictures of color.
um But one of the things, as I was thinking through the things that I remember happening during elementary school, one of the things that I thought was so, it seems so crazy now, were lice checks.
 Now I don't know how your school did it, but I dreaded  lice checks.
I was always afraid I had it.
 Exactly.
 I, they made me so anxious because  I was so scared that I would, they'd find lice  and then everybody would know.
You'd be an outcast.
Everybody would know.
 School nurse are mean,  mean  school nurse.
She was so mean.
Naaman and Shayman.
She's probably dead now because she was old.
Okay.
Which is probably why she was mean.
She probably felt like crap.
Yeah.
And she was having to check lice for the whole freaking school.
I kind of really sympathize, empathize with all the old people from my childhood that I thought were mean and crabby.
And I'm like, yeah.
Yeah.
It's starting to make sense now.
It really does.
So, Mrs.
Donaldson would come to our classroom with her box of toothpicks and her medical gloves and her super tall stool.
And we'd all have to sit on it.
She'd set up in the back of the classroom.
And we, so we would either be, it would be quiet time.
Like take  everybody color or everybody read to yourself, depending on what grade you were in, you know? And so then we all would go back there one by one  and then she would check our heads.
 And If the, kids were suspected of having lice, they had to gather their crap up and leave.
Yeah.
Get the heck  out.
 everybody knew  even, even if they were suspected of having lice and they ended up not having lice,  you still, mean, you're an outcast at that point.
oh At my school, parent volunteers like from the PTA would do it.
Oh really? Checks.
 And one time, My mom was talking about it.
My mom would come to the school and they would use pencils  and they would look through people's  hair.
 And anytime she had to do it, she would just come home and she'd be like, oh, I'm so itchy.
Of course.
Like she just felt itchy.
It made me feel itchy during lice check day.
I just, and so the more I would think about it, the itchier I'd be like, don't scratch, don't scratch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But anyway, one time she was talking about it.
um with a family friend there at the house.
I think he was like one of my siblings' friends.
Yeah, he was Heather and Sean's friend from church.
And she was talking about head lice checks and head lice checks.
he was just kind of like, he was so confused.
And so finally he said, why are you checking everybody's headlights? I don't understand.
Why do you go to school and check headlights? And she was like, head lice.
 Nits!  Yeah, it's so gross.
Oh my gosh.
 Ugh.
 My mom,  man.
God bless her.
Yeah, I mean, she would chaperone field trips.
 I just, I didn't do any of that shit for my kids.
Oh no, cause it's terrible.
 Ugh.
Well, the crappy thing was,  if someone did end up with head lice, you were like...
No friends.
No one's gonna hang out with you.
 And then if you tried to be friends with head lice kids,  you also got made fun of and people would tease you like you're gonna get head lice if you play with Billy or whatever.
They're dirty.
They're gross.
Do you know that in other countries, it's not even a big deal? It's shocking.
Like in Australia, I remember my sister Colleen said that  I  don't wanna like...
say something wrong or something but I think her kids had it multiple times.
 It's just like it was no big deal like you would just get it and you would do the treatment and it was a pain in the ass and everything but it was like not that big of a deal.
Yeah.
And then I was watching that one show that we were laughing about what was that called? you wanted to watch  with Diane Morgan in it.
I always forget what it's called Motherland? Oh yes Motherland.
Yeah.
And they're always talking about it there too.
Like, oh, my kids have lice again and I've got a blah, blah, blah, in England.
Okay.
It's like, geez.
Well, we got so...
 It was a stigma.
It totally was.
 And my parents were always like, do not, don't share hats, don't share brushes.
Like they really scared the crap out of me about it.
Like to the point that now as a 47 year old, I don't even try on hats in a store.
I know.
Like, cause you don't know.
What if? What if? And our friend Sonia, her dad was a barber.
Oh, right.
And so she was really paranoid about it, too.
Yes.
And she won't hang her coat up like on a coat rack with other people's coats.
Oh, and she gets a little bit squicked out when she goes to like movie theaters because she thinks it's going to like get on her from the seat.
No kidding.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Now you've got some ammunition.
you.
Well, so try on my hat, Sonia.
I got it at the flea market.
I just threw my coat on yours.
hope you don't mind.
And then scratch my head.
 We're so mean.
So, I don't kids and I was curious if they're still doing this in elementary school or  are they still doing life checks? Oh yeah.
 And AI, I asked AI what they thought.
 He thought, she thought, whatever it is.
And they said no, that for the most part, life checks have been discontinued because the CDC and the National Association of School Nurses determined that the checks didn't greatly reduce infestations.
 Oh, okay.
That lice isn't a public health hazard.
And a strict no-lice policy from the 80s and  90s was causing unnecessary school absences without reducing the spread.
 And psychological damage.
 Right.
 They also said that home checks by parents are more effective for early detection.
and a parent or a family member is more likely to notice increased scratching by a child.
Nobody's gonna do that though.
Probably not.
So, do you think that they still do it at Springfield? I guess not.
Because they didn't do it like it was once we got out of elementary school.
I remember thinking when I got into the seventh grade because we had elementary, junior high was seventh and eighth and then you went to high school.
I remember thinking in the seventh grade.
We don't have to do life checks anymore.
That's how much I hated it.
How about fluoride? Did you have to do fluoride So, that's my next thing.
 That's the next thing I was going to tell you about is we had to do fluoride in elementary.
What did you call it? Fluoride.
Oh, we call it swish.
 Oh no, it was fluoride.
was always Thursday.
Thursday.
remember what day it was.
My parents got me out of it.
I don't know how or why, but I never had to do it.
I think I did it once.
It's good for you though.
Well, I mean, I use toothpaste that had fluoride in it every single day.
So, what is the point? Yeah.
I lived in a,  I lived somewhere where we had a city water,  like water source where the fluoride was in the water.
So, what's the point? Yeah.
Yeah.
 Um,  so same nurse,  mean Mrs.
Donaldson,  she would come in with this huge bottle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
on her heart.
 real? Yeah.
Oh yeah.
So, she had these stacks of tiny cups and this huge and it had a kachunk like a pump.
Kachunk, kachunk.
And so you'd get one kachunk into your little tiny cup.
 It took forever.
 Our class was the biggest class Straffer had ever had.
Oh gosh.
And so  we had four classes of like 30 students rather than two.
three classes, because it's normally three classes of like 25.
We had so many kids.
So, it took forever for her to walk around and give everyone a kachunk.
And we finally all get our little cup and everybody got a napkin.
So, you swished for a minute and then you spit it back out in the cup and then you put your napkin, you watered it up and put it your cup to soak up the disgusting used fluoride.
Yes, it's the same.
Now we didn't have the big kachunk thing.
I think they came into the classroom with a cart.
Already kachunked? That  had trays of the cups that had the pink fluoride in it.
Oh, ours was green.
Yours was green? Yes, it was like a mint green.
Ours was pink and it was  supposedly bubblegum flavor, but it was not bubblegum flavor.
I swear, fluoride is the worst.
 When I went to the dentist when I was a kid, did they put the trays of fluoride in your, and you had to sit there for like freaking 20 minutes? I would always, this is TMI, but I would always throw up after that.
It would make, and she was like, the hygienist like, you're not supposed to swallow it.
I said, I'm not swallowing it.
It's disgusting.
Like it just grossed me out so much.
I would always throw up.
Yeah, Peyton still has to do that.
When he goes to the dentist.
They always ask me.
 Is it okay if we do fluoride treatments? And I'm like, yeah, it is.
 put that fluoride in his mouth.
I remember the day I didn't have to do a fluoride treatment at the dentist and I was like, I asked about it.
said,  why don't have to do that disgusting tray thing? She's like, no, we're not going to do it.
And I was like, I'm gonna kiss you on the mouth.
Right? Those things were the worst.
Yeah, but like you said, you have it in your toothpick.
 making my mouth water just thinking about it.
ugh.
 I never had that  reaction to it, but yeah, it's not fun.
 What else? This is great.
see.
okay,  so the next one is, did you ever, I'm sure you did, participate in the presidential physical fitness tests? Hell yeah, and I was good at it.
Oh, I hated this thing  so much.
They made me so mad.
Cause here, I wrote it down.
So, they tested us  on  the number of pushups, sit-ups, pull-ups you could do.
 and how fast you could run a mile and then they had that stupid sit and reach.
Yes.
That's fine.
We can do all of those things, but when we haven't been doing any of those things in PE, how do you expect me to do well? Right.
You don't train for it.
It's just cold.
No! All of a sudden one day they're like, hey, we're going to do a presidential physical fitness test today.
Go run a mile.
I'm sorry.
What? Yeah.
You  want me to throw up? Is that what you're wanting right now? You want me to yack? I hated that  so much.
 The mile was the only part that I did not do well at.
I don't doubt that.
I've never been a runner.
I um mean, I still I still made it in like less than 10 minutes or whatever.
But  I and I always got my certificate.
But I just  I just didn't care enough.
And so I would walk.
Yeah.
Because the minute I got a stitch in my side, was like, I'm out.
Exactly.
They never explained it to us.
never said, like,  later on, I was like, OK, that was the equivalent of an achievement test.
Because, we had the stupid achievement test.
And that's what that was, is just to see how fat and lazy we all were  and give it to the government and say, well, kids out here in Podong, Stratford, they can't do much.
 Well, you never had us do sit ups or pull ups or sit and stretch.
Like we never practiced for endurance to run a mile.
What did you expect? Ours was um back when I did it.
m It was so, um what's the word, sexist, that the girls just had to do the hanging the hanging, yep.
Okay, I could hang there all day.
 Same,  I could hang there all day.
In fact, one time they made me stop because I had hung there for so long.
Yeah, that happened to me too.
you're you're done.
And I'm like, okay.
We get it.
You know how to do it.
were multiples of us like that.
They could do that.
regularly, but I couldn't do a pull up to save my life.
Oh no.
Nope.
Nobody could.
No Underhanded I could do fine.
Overhand, no way.
I regularly got the best sit and reach score in my class.
I've got, I had long legs.
So, were you just a flexible person or did you work on that? I just didn't care about pain.
I just wanted to win.
And it hurt like a  mother  effer.
You probably pulled all your hammies.
I know.
That's probably why my legs are such a mess nowadays.
Anyway.
Well.
But I won.
That's all that matters.
Good job,  You got that certificate.
 That whole thing was so dumb.
If they had like explained it to us and, you know, throughout the year,  we could work up to  whatever.
Anyway, so that was actually phased out.
in 2012 by the Obama administration.
Thanks Obama.
Thanks Obama.
I mean, thank you Obama.
And it was replaced with the presidential youth fitness program, which focused more on individualized health and lifelong fitness goals rather than competitive benchmarks.
However, in 2025, Donald Trump signed an executive order reinstating the dumb presidential fitness test.
bringing back the old format back into national policy.
And that's all I'm gonna say about that.
Wait, wait, I gotta say something.
 He should have to do it.
I completely agree.
 And  it should be televised.
We should get to watch him shit his pants.
 Do the sit and reach.
Do the sit and reach.
 Another thing we were subjected to were scoliosis tests.
Yes! Can you like think about that today? How? How? How sure were you that you had scoliosis?  100%.
 My back is so curved.
Yeah.
 mean Mrs.
Dalton.
 I knew I had it.
Absolutely.
I was like, I have scoliosis and I'm going to die and they're going to find out right here.
 I can't even imagine like what they put us through.
They didn't tell us what it even was.
 all we knew is that we were all in a group.
It wasn't private.
at  all in our school.
 Everyone is in a group.
Everyone took their shirt off and fricking bent over.
 What  the  actual crap.
 You think about that happening today.
Can you imagine? Yes.
Can you imagine? I can't.
Oh my gosh.
And even in junior high, they ditched us in junior high because I remember us doing it in the locker room.
Like we were dressing out, getting ready to go up for PE to do a presidential fitness test that we hadn't prepared for.
And they were like, well, take your shirts off and bend over.
We're going to take a look at your spine.
First of all, take your shirts off and bend over.
Yep.
 Never should be said.
And the whole class just stand here and watch.
Yeah.
Are you shitting me right now? Yeah.
I'd be like, I'll go last.
 Thankfully,  it was determined that  those screenings did little to improve long-term health outcomes.
It  actually, they have actually stopped doing those.
 Now some schools are still doing scoliosis tests, but it's a little more private now.
But part of the reason they stopped doing them most in most schools is because there were a lot of false positives, which ended up exposing kids to unnecessary x-rays.
And then the parents had to pay for unnecessary x-rays.
Also it took up a ton of staff time.
to do scoliosis, mean, well, so did lice.
And to chart it.
oh my gosh.
Also, it was very highly visible health screening conducted in groups that was embarrassing and uncomfortable for kids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mrs.
Donaldson hated it too.
You know she had to.
Of course she She was like, God, it's scoliosis time of year.
It's February.
Scoliosis.
Why can't we just do all of those horrible things like in one day? All right, sit down, rub your head.
No lice.
Take off your shirt.
Let me look at your spine.
Now go do the sit and reach.
Now, kachunk.
Kachunk, yeah, kachunk.
forgot.
Oh my gosh, like I said, some schools still require the skull scoliosis test, but for the most part it's been eliminated.
If schools are still doing those, I hope they are like in private rooms now.
Oh, surely.
Like a nurse, a witness and the kid.
Yeah.
Good heavens.
And now I'm going to have dreams.
Oh yeah.
Like all my teeth are going to fall out in my dreams tonight.
And I'm going to have, you know, they're...
I'm gonna be back in elementary school for sure.
I won't be able to remember my combination on my locker.
 I've missed a test.
em I'm always shirtless at school.
 Ready for your scoliosis test.
 but I have the chest that I do now.
Of course you do.
And I'm just walking around like holding myself like maybe nobody will notice.
Oh my gosh.
It's terrible.
Oh my word.
I have work dreams about that too.
Oh, I do too.
I had one probably a month ago.
I was next to a guy I do not like at work and he kept talking to me and kept talking me and I had no shirt on.
Oh my gosh.
I was just trying to cover myself and I kept thinking, do you think he notices? Cause he just kept talking.
And I just wanted to get out of there.
 I was like,  I hope he doesn't notice.
don't think I want to pull at that thread.
 Just leave it alone and pretend the dream never happened.
of my 20 recurring nightmares.
 I had  a TV station during the other night.
 Really? Yeah, it was awful.
That's probably been a while.
Yeah, I was in.
 I was.
 Yeah,  it was it was bad.
TV dreams are never good.
Brea, what is your topic? Okay, get ready.
Okay.
Because today I'm going to explore a term for one of our shared pet peeves.
 Oh Lord.
Are you ready? a lot of them.
 I know.
 This is called finger princess.
Have you heard of this? No.
 It's a direct English translation of the Korean slang, ping-pa.
And it literally means princess who won't lift a finger.
 And it's used to describe somebody who refuses to even do the smallest task themselves,  instead asking others for help or for answers  or for effort that they could have easily handled themselves.
Like somebody walking into a room with a humongous red clock in it and saying, what time is it?  That person.
 Finger princess.
 That's too funny.
We worked with that person.
 I work with several finger princesses where I work um Not many medames, but they will call me and say do we have  a blah blah blah  or Do we have rubber bands when there's a whole wall  of supplies? But everybody has access to you open the drawers.
I even have the drawers labeled.
Yep same from a label maker it has label with everything pretty much that's in that drawer  and if it's not specifically stated on there you can kind of figure out oh hey this is where like paper clips and bulldog clips and all these other things are velcro so probably if we had rubber bands they would be in here with all these other fastener type things yes but no I'm gonna walk down the hall to Brea's office and say do we have rubber bands when she's in the middle of a conversation with somebody else or very very busy  Yes.
Are you kidding  me? The meaning is metaphorical.
A person who won't move a single finger to solve their own problems.
Korean slang often uses cute sounding compound metaphors with a sharp edge.
Ooh.
Yeah, I like it.
I do too.
Often used in online communities, comment sections, and messaging apps to call out laziness or helplessness.
Ooh, yeah.
In Korean culture, it describes somebody who asks questions they could easily Google.
Oh,  pet peeve.
What's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah? Do you know how many times I asked someone today, have you Googled it? Four, four times today.
Someone asked me a question and I said, did you Google it? Did you look it up? No.
Nice.
um I got to ask somebody today if they've turned it turned off their computer and turned it back on again.
 It was glorious.
Oh, and oh, I know I said, know where I learned that trick?  The IT crap.
 But not really, because I learned it way before then at the TV station at the TV station.
Wayne would.
Wayne would.
I bet he's no longer with us.
Oh, no.
Yeah, I bet he's oh, I wonder.
 Oh, maybe.
Sorry, Wayne, if you're still around, telling people to turn it off and back on again.
um Let's see, expects others to do basic tasks for them, acts helpless or overly dependent, and avoids responsibility or initiative.
Oh yeah.
It's mildly mocking, but not harsh.
Closer to, come on, you can do this yourself, than a serious insult.
Like you, finger princess.
 English speakers adopted it eagerly because we already have the idiom, won't lift a finger.
Oh yes.
 So, it made perfect sense to our brains.
Originated in Korean online communities like DC Inside,  Navver cafes, and cacao talk chats.
 Cacao talk chats? Cacao!   Okay,  it was spread through k-pop fandom spaces k-drama translations Korean English bilingual communities and social media posts where people translate slang literally ping-pah That is too funny examples.
She asked what time the store closes instead of checking the website total finger princess move Don't be a ping-pah.
Just Google it just Google it He's such a finger princess about travel planning.
He wants everyone else to do the work.
 Yes.
love calling guys finger princesses.
It's my new favorite thing.
I'm sure they like it a lot.
Well, they are most often the ones.
Yes.
Currently, there are no direct slang terms for the opposite of a finger princess,  i.
e.
someone who refuses to ask for help or admit they don't know something.
So, I brainstormed with co-pilot to come up with a few.
Oh, okay.
Nice.
This is fun.
Here are the best ones that came up with in my opinion.
In no particular order.
Inquiry Imp.
 Question Quitter.
Guidance Gremlin.
Assistance Avoider.
Direction Dodger.
Answer Abstainer.
Help Hedger.
Clarification Critter.
And Support Shunner.
Now, I actually did specify that I wanted alliterative  nicknames, so that's why they were all like that.
But the winner in my book was Solution Stoic.
 Oh, yes.
Too proud to ask even when suffering.
It has everything.
 Stoicism, alliteration  and gentle mocking.
I love it.
 What do you call the person who gets asked the questions by the fingerprint?  Really fed up.
feel like that person needs  needs a label or a name.
In our office, it's called Brea Brown.
Yeah, yeah.
It's called a Brea Brown.
And it's alliterative, so there you go.
No, it's called the person who gets really bitchy.
Yeah, it's the person.
Yeah.
Who's like, oh my God.
I'm so done.
Because, know, like a lot of times too, I don't know either.
Yeah.
What am I going to do? I'm going to look it up.
Yeah, I'm just going to Google it, which is what a shut it down.
Yeah.
Also, we have like so many things at our office, like There's a lot of processes.
There's a lot of, you know, like, what do I do if I run out of toner? What do I do if I have a new computer and it's not connected to our printer? Blah, blah.
So, guess what we have? We have a solution  center  in our service desk website.
And you go in there and it's  all categorized by  whatever.
my  gosh.
You can either search.
Or you can browse solutions and you find it.
So, it's like an internal wiki.
 Yes.
 We need one of those so bad.
It's amazing.
And then when somebody asks you to look something up like that, you can open it and send them a link to the solution.
 Yes.
Instead of typing it all out and saying, first you do this and first you do that and then you do this and then you do that.
And then you could say, next time.
This is a great place for you to look if you don't know anything.
This is the resource.
 Now we'll just make Brea look it up because her time is less important than ours.
 Great search.
It was fun.
um There is a specific person that my friend Eva at work and I call a finger princess.
 He will remain nameless, but it's so true.
You know,  here's another here is another classic finger princess move.
Hey, I sent you that blah blah blah last week.
Can you resend that to me? Yes, I can't find it in my email.
 Have you searched? Can you send that to me again? It's probably buried way down in there.
It'll just be better if you just send it to me work with one of those.
 Oh, I didn't see it.
Can you just send it to me again? Curses!  So, if I ever truly have to be sent to a lunatic asylum,  it's probably because of people like that.
Yes, I would agree.
How much time? do I spend on things like that? And I realize part of that is my job.
I understand.
And maybe I'm wrong to expect this, but I expect others to have exhausted their resources before they come to me.
But that does not happen.
I'm not saying never come to me for help.
100%.
Agreed.
Try some things first.
Try a few things.
There's  lots of resources out Low-hanging fruit? Go for it.
Yep.
 I am not the all-knowing keeper of all knowledge.
I'm gonna have to look it up too.
 In the time it took you to come ask me, you probably could have just done a quick search.
Unbelievable.
My sources were Self Magazine, The Guardian, and Mamma Mia, an Australian website.
Oh, interesting.
Did you know? Fun fact.
 Australians are obsessed with ABBA.
 No.
They're huge there.
No, I did not know that.
Now you know.
I wonder why.
I mean, I love ABBA, but it's just very random.
That is a little bit random.
 All right.
Well, but Brea.
 What? What about this  one? What about it? It's your turn to say it.
No, because I have to scream.
Oh, that's right.
It's my turn to say it always.
This is a quick listing of our other searches from the past week that we didn't have time to discuss in this episode or were just too damn boring.
Yeah, boring.
So, boring.
So, boring.
OK, here we go.
Myers-Briggs Personality Test.
Concordia Press.
Study Bibles with Tabs.
Friendship Bread Recipe.
Olympic Schedule.
hallelujah song.
What is team pursuit in speed skating? Did you watch that in the Olympics? Oh yeah.
That was fun.
Yeah.
I liked it.
em I want Keely's ceramic leopard in Ted Lasso.
Keely has a pink ceramic leopard that follows her everywhere she works.
Yes.
I finally found it.
Did you? The name of the pink leopard is Frenchy.
and it costs $800.
Oh, nevermind.
I was like, well, so much for that dream.
Heritage Link in Olympics.
Countries competing in Olympics.
Fleabag series on DVD.
I watched the second season of that again.
I love that show so It is so good.
Oh, gosh.
Actress that looks like Ali Grant.
Bri and I talked about this a little bit before the podcast.
We're both watching Suburgatory and Ali Grant  is Lisa, the main character's friend who lives across  the street.
when we started watching this, I was like, oh my gosh, she reminds me, she's been in something else.
I was convinced,  but I finally figured out that she reminds me  of Lavender.
  in the Harry Potter movies.
 And so  I was like, I gotta stop everything until I get this figured out.
It's not the same person.
No, it isn't.
You're right though.
They are very similar.
they are.
Lisa on Suburgatory is hilarious.
 data lake definition.
Windows always to the left of elementary schools.
 Memoir versus autobiography.
 I finished Anthony Hopkins' memoir, which was called We Did Okay, Kid.
I highly recommend that book.
It really was and I did not know  anything about Anthony Hopkins.
I thought I knew him just from watching his movies.
 That is not the case.
 He is,  well you should just read it.
I don't want to give anything away.
He's a fascinating person.
 I just didn't see it coming.
oh First of all, I didn't know he was Welsh.
He's Welsh.
Oh yeah.
 Anyway, I learned so much.
It's a really good book.
It's a fast read and it's fascinating.
You mean Tony.
Tony.
Exactly.
We are on a first name basis, by the way.
Of course, by now.
know everything about it.
He's old by the way.
 Honda, gotta pay that bill.
uh Women's Glasses Styles, gonna get some new glasses.
DVR options,  our new location of computer recycling center.
She moved, she moved downtown.
And Peloton meeting.
I didn't know what that meant.
They kept saying Peloton during speed skating.
They're in the middle of the Peloton.
And it turns out that's actually a cycling phrase, a cycling word.
But they've, you know.
They've adopted it for skating, apparently.
My IMDB searches were Jane Eyre, Air Force One.
We watched it.
We watched it last weekend.
Get off my plane.
It was amazing.
Raging Bull, Bull 2021, Bull 2016 to 2022.
George and Mandy's first marriage and The Big C, which I am watching by myself.
It's a good show.
It's so good.
 I am really enjoying it.
I didn't watch the last uh half of the second or last season.
Okay.
 Yeah.
 I mean.
Almost through season two.
Yeah.
I just, I was like, I don't think I can do it, but I enjoyed the rest of the journey.
 But I know.
I mean, I know how it ends.
Yeah, yeah.
Sort of.
I mean, for the most part.
Ultimately, and I'm just not down.
I'm just I'm just not there for it.
I understand.
Well, Sean wasn't interested in watching it and I was like, I understand, buddy.
So, I'm watching it on my own.
uh I didn't know what Idris Elba was in it.
Oh, hell yeah, he is.
He is in it.
oh He's deep in it.
 I was like,  hello.
Oh, I know.
Hello.
 Yeah.
Mr.
Elba.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
 I just love Laura Linney.
I know she's so good.
There's a lot of people in this show that I didn't know were going to be in this show.
Yeah.
Hit me with your boring, boring list.
Oh, gosh, they're so boring.
Here we go.
Splenda Ingredients,  Tom Washington, Olivia Grant, Joan Washington, Richard Grant, Lydia Fox,  Richard Ayoade.
Oh.
oh I know.
was in Last One Laughing UK.
Have you watched it? I believe you can get it on Prime or...
something like that, or even maybe on YouTube.
 Holy crap.
 The UK Last One Laughing is the best one by far.
 And they're about to start another season.
And my favorite person, David Mitchell, is in it, is in that season.
Like all these British comedians that I watch on all these panel shows.
Oh my gosh, it is a riot.
 Now I tried to watch the last one laughing Australia, which is hosted by rebel.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
 Rebel.
Wait, we've talked about this before.
 I think it is.
Is it rebel?  It's rebel.
know that one.
Is it? It is rebel.
OK, OK.
Well.
It's rebel Wilson.
OK.
So,  anyway, it's I don't know if it's just because Australians just have a different sense of humor.
But I'm just not I just don't find it that funny.
OK, they're just kind of obnoxious.
 Now, last one laughing UK was  not uh UK.
Canada was funny, too.
OK.
But they're just also nice.
But the UK version is the best one.
And there's an Ireland version too that's pretty funny with Graham Norton as the host.
Oh, nice.
Oh my gosh.
Any who's all Richard Iowade.
I always have to His name is hard one to say.
He was unbelievable.
I wish I was friends with him.
I really do.
I just want to hang out with him all the time.
He is just, he is a character.
 graphic tease women.
Cafe press t-shirts.
V or via gummies.
 Hat types for men.
Fedora with feather slash outback hat with feather.
 Payton says there's a kid,  he goes to school with,  who wears an outback hat with  a lot of time  looking up hats with feathers to figure out  what kind of hat this kid might wear and we finally found it and I could not believe it when I saw a picture of it.
I was like a kid at your school wears a hat like this.
Is he cool or is he ostracized?  I'm assuming it's a he.
It is a he.
He's a...
I guess just a normal kid.
Like not...
just walking around with a big old hat on.
I mean, he's got friends.
 You do you, boo.
 We weren't allowed to wear hats at Oh no, we weren't either.
You could wear them in the hallway.
No.
But as soon as you walked in the classroom, it came off.
We weren't allowed to even have them in the building.
Oh no.
 And  so this is just crazy to me.
These kids are allowed to wear anything they dang want to.
Like, whatever.
em I were talking about that Sunday night.
I mean they can wear pajamas like they  well not just that but they can wear like super duper short shorts and skirts Which I'm like cool great.
I think that's fine.
Yeah,  but they can they can just wear whatever they want and I'm like, alright Yeah, we had a lot of and you know what policies nobody's dying It's true from wearing short shorts at school.
It turned out.
You know what people are dying of at school what? Shootings.
Oh my gosh.
You're not wrong.
Anyway, uh, Keduri.
Today's Olympic schedule.
This is a little bit old.
Uh, Honda financial.
Tim mentioned Frank Lloyd Wright, Arkansas.
Uh, Scott Barry Kaufman, finger princess, cockney rhyming, slang origin, common motivational posters with quotes.
Colleen Hoover movie slash It Ends With Us.
You know,  my workbook club.
 We're reading a Colleen Hoover book right now.
 Everybody is super duper.
 They're  very critical about this book.
And I'm like, oh, remind me,  just never read one of my books.
Because she's  amazingly, you know, like popular and successful.
 And um I remember on Facebook, she was in a couple of the groups I was in when she was still an indie writer.
Nice.
 She probably doesn't remember me.
 Overlay Outlook and Google Calendar.
Boucher meaning Fox 2 Detroit anchors.
OK.
Because I was watching News Bloopers, one of my favorite things ever.
And there are lots of Fox 2 Detroit  News Bloopers.
And I was like, I have seen that lady.
Some of those anchors are so familiar looking.
But then I just realized that all US anchors kind of look the same.
Yeah.
That's probably true.
No offense.
There's a type.
There's a type.
Yeah, that's it.
Okay.
Do you have any listener shout outs for you? I know.
I know there should be some and I hope you have them because I have...
I don't have any.
I've just had my head down trying to get through life.
Yeah.
I think I saw a couple of things come through, but I think they were just likes of pictures.
Yes.
I don't think anybody actually sent anything.
Erin sent us a picture.
of Pennsylvania Erin.
She sent us a picture of  snow with a ruler.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
She did.
I guess that's a shout out.
It is because we asked people what they were doing during the when they got snowed in.
Right.
So, Erin was measuring the snow.
Yes.
she was doing.
 She got way more than we did.
Oh, yeah.
That's all I got, though.
OK.
I did.
I did look at our business account.
Oh, I did, too.
I didn't want to be a finger princess and just say, don't know Cara, did we have any shout outs? Because it's pretty simple to look it up.
Yeah, it's okay.
And we promise you that we will.
I was like, I should probably keep our promise.
That's right.
How can they engage with us, Brea? They can email us at deletethishistorypoggals.
gmail.com or find us at dthgals on Instagram.
That is correct.
Those are the best places.
But for now, we need to close the book on this session and go delete our history.
Yes, ma'am.
Belie.
Stay fresh, cheese bag.
Oh, shoot, I did that out of order.
Messed it up.
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