A hatred for century eggs is something we share.
I haven't told you my trivia question yet.
We went on so long with that one.
Sorry.
Do not edit that out, that's hilarious.
Alright, are you ready for your trivia question for this week? Apparently not.
Oh my word.
Ahem.
Welcome to episode 93 of Delete This History a podcast by two besties of a certain age searching for answers We're your hosts Brea Brown and Cara Burch Yeah, Hi, you're in the Sun again.
I know it doesn't matter where I sit.
Is it okay? It's fine.
Are you sure? Yeah, it's not like blaring your pupils are pinholes.
That's cuz I had five gummies before It would be the other way wouldn't it Can you imagine how blitzed you would be? That would be amazing.
Oh man, you're silly.
You would be tasting colors.
It would be awesome.
I don't know.
I've never been that high before.
Too scared.
Too scared to try.
It's not fun to be too high.
I'm mostly scared.
Yes, I'm mostly scared to get like to feel sick.
I don't like feeling sick.
And I know that I don't want to put myself in a situation where it might make me feel sick.
So, I just, can't go there.
It's dumb, but whatever.
I'm just not a risk taker.
How excited are you getting for the Italy Olympics? I'm actually getting excited.
I like the Olympics.
I do too.
I don't like the Olympics.
I love the Olympics.
What do you like better, summer or winter? So, I used to like the Winter Olympics better.
Me too.
I felt like they were more action packed.
Yeah.
I felt like the Winter Olympics just felt like repeat, repeat, repeat.
But now I kind of love them both.
I love watching racing, like running, running races.
em I really enjoy the Summer Olympics more than I used to.
But the Winter Olympics, what really gets my juices going is the speed skating.
Short track, speed skating.
out of here.
I will watch that all day long if I could.
But then they always switch to something else like figure skating.
How much figure skating can we watch, people? What's the worst one, though? Cross-country skiing.
Who the fuck cares? Could not be more boring.
Even when they switch it up and they have like the The shooting? yeah, yeah, yeah.
Still don't care.
Yeah.
Still fucking boring.
It is pretty boring.
Now, they're great athletes.
I couldn't even imagine the endurance gosh.
I got lightheaded walking up this flight of stairs the other day.
So, no, I'm not saying that they are not wonderful athletes, but it is boring to watch you.
boring.
Do you like, do you like uh curling? Oh yes.
I love curling.
Curling, yeah I get into it.
At first I'm kind of like, ah, but then if I watch just for like five minutes I'm I'm like invested.
get sucked in.
Yeah.
Because you're like, will that stone hit the other stone? Yeah.
Will they knock them out? Yeah.
Brush harder, brush harder, brush.
But the one I like the most.
Yes.
Is the uh skeleton.
Oh shoot.
Where they go head first.
So, dangerous.
Down that track.
So, dangerous.
The loose bobsled track.
But they're head first instead of feet first.
I freaking love it.
It is.
It is.
So, stressful to watch because yeah, that is what I'm thinking the whole time is their head.
Their head.
They're wearing a helmet.
Can you? Yeah, it's definitely going to help them.
I wonder what that is like.
It's like when they used to tell us to wear the hard hat underneath when the ice was falling from the tower at the TV station.
hundreds of feet up.
Yeah.
Just wear this hard hat when you go out to your car.
It's required.
Yeah, it's required.
So, that you can't sue us.
Right.
And you won't die.
You're not gonna get You'll just never wake up again.
It'll be fine.
the hard head.
And we were all just like, okay.
Oh my gosh, you remember when that ice would start hitting this, this, roof? Yes.
It sounded like a bomb going off.
Yes.
And you'd think that could be my head.
Oh, I don't know how that roof survived.
Anyway.
Anyway.
Yes, I am excited.
Yeah.
So, new this year is ski mountaineering.
Oh, what's that? It is a race where athletes climb uphill on skis.
Using special skins on their skis, they're like long non-slip strips of material.
Okay.
And then they remove them when they get to the tops.
They like whip them off and then they ski back down at high speeds on natural mountain terrain.
This is not like tracks that have, you know.
Shut up.
Yeah, these are not courses that have been like plowed through or whatever.
It's natural mountain terrain.
How far do they, I have so many questions.
I know.
One, how far up do they have to climb? Like, I did not look that up.
Okay, two, I assume this is a timed situation.
Yes, it's a race.
Okay, three, how did this become an Olympic sport? I don't know, but I think it sounds fascinating.
It really does.
And even though I think the climb up might be a little bit boring.
I mean, I can't even imagine.
I need to see this.
watch.
But at the same time, then you get to the top and this is where it really gets exciting.
You get to the top and you have to take those skins off your skis really fast.
are even going to do your skis are like, and then you can go down the trail really fast or the mountain really fast.
That's when it gets interesting.
Cause then you're like, are they going to beat that time? And I'm sure it'll be like, you know, And it's not a plot of seconds.
it's not a out trail.
Natural terrain.
That's terrifying.
Take that cross country skiers.
I know.
You don't flat terrain.
Yeah.
So, get out of here.
You shouldn't even be an Olympics boarder.
I'm just, I'm just kidding.
Just a joke.
Um, but I like checking out the new games, every Olympics.
like the new ones that they kind of try out.
Yeah.
So, like in the summer Olympics, last summer Olympics, I really got into that half court basketball.
Me too.
Because I thought this is the way basketball should be played.
Agreed.
Because I don't really care for basketball.
I hate basketball.
But that was exciting.
It was so exciting.
And fast.
Because it was fast paced.
was, you know, short attention span.
Yep.
Short attention span theater.
um And it was just like, yes, this is the way it should be.
I agree.
I enjoyed that too.
Not this all the way up and all the way back and all oh my god, he's got to run all the way the other end now.
I was telling my boss this week that you and I had talked about how our jobs need to be just a think tank.
Uh huh.
And we got to figure out how to make that happen.
Yeah.
People pay us to sit and think all day or for a couple hours a day.
Oh, right.
Cause that's, that's exhausting.
It would be so fun though.
Cause you and I are good at thinking.
We're good at overthinking.
We're good at problem solving.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For the most part.
Yeah.
Unless they're my own problems.
I'm good at solving other people's problems.
Right.
And then no execution.
I want to have nothing to do.
Like here's our idea.
Yeah.
Take it and you go do something with it.
Make it work.
Next please.
Correct.
Next problem.
Yeah.
I don't want to actually do.
No.
That's not my personality.
No.
But I could sit and work on a problem.
Like I'm a thinker.
Yeah.
And say this is how you do it.
This is how you do it.
Good luck.
And here's the steps.
And I'm really good at writing out the steps and the instructions.
Like you do this first and then this first and then this next and then this.
And don't forget about this because if you forget about this then blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
I know.
That's all that those templates that I help, you know, maintain and develop at work.
That's all that is.
It's just technical writing.
Yeah.
On a report that says fill this in like this and fill this in like this.
And then you don't have to fill this in because it's connected to this thing.
but don't delete those bookmarks on that thing, because if you do, then it'll break and it won't connect to it anymore.
Yes.
Over the years, I've started a file of, I call it processes.
every time I learn how a process works at the city, I type it up and I save it.
And so then that way, when someone calls me and says, how does this work? I say, hang on, I'll send it to you.
And I just send them the file.
Yes.
I've got, it is full.
That is amazing.
And then I've got like how, like, If you're in a word document and you add a comment and the comment in the side is super tiny, how to fix that.
And like just stuff like that.
Just quick little things on how to make, you I've never had that happen.
Oh, it happens to us all the time and I don't understand it.
It's so tiny you can't even read it.
So, you have to go in and fix it.
Oh, that is annoying.
Yeah, it's very annoying.
Anyway, how do we start talking about that? Oh, we're going to fix the Olympics.
Yeah, that's right.
All right.
uh Real quick, one thing I am also very excited about this year is uh the soccer.
Help me.
Oh, the World Cup.
World Cup.
Thank you.
I do love the World Cup.
I do too.
And I'm getting real excited about it.
I get into it.
Me too.
And it's going to be in Kansas City this year.
Yes, part of it.
Big, right.
Yeah.
Big hairy deal.
Big hairy deal.
Avoid Kansas City.
Don't go.
So, our friend lives in Kansas City.
Oh gosh.
And we asked him if he was gonna get tickets and he is undecided.
I don't know if there's, you could even still get tickets.
I have no idea, but em he's thinking maybe.
I bet they're spending.
Oh my gosh, I can't imagine.
Maybe if you get the early on, like when they first start, maybe those are a little cheaper.
Okay, speaking of before we move on, I priced Nate Bargatze tickets in Springfield, because he's going to be at the big Great Southern Bank Arena.
And I immediately just hit the X on the website because I can't afford that.
It was more expensive than Jim Gaffigan.
Oh, way more.
And now I realize that that Jim Gaffigan show was multiple years ago, many years ago.
Yes.
But I was shocked.
The prices for Nate Bargatze were ridiculous.
I was shocked at how expensive.
like, I'll just wait until the special comes out on Netflix.
And I think that's because they need to keep paying for the Great Southern Bank Arena.
Oh, really? That thing was so expensive.
But it's older now.
Yeah, but have you looked at tickets just to go watch a Bears basketball game there? Oh, gosh.
over $100.
Well, they need to pay me to go watch a Bears basketball couldn't bull...
I was like, because I thought, okay, this is going off on a tangent because that's what I do best.
Trying to think of other things for me and Sean to do.
I was like, we could go.
I mean, we have multiple colleges in this town.
Correct.
We could go watch sport.
I enjoy watching college volleyball.
Yeah.
It's really exciting to watch.
But then we weren't in volleyball season at the time.
Like, okay, we'll go watch a basketball game.
It would have been over almost $200 for me and Sean to go watch in the nosebleed section.
Yeah.
A college freaking basketball game.
That they're gonna lose.
Right.
I just, I was like, how are you even filling seats? I don't understand.
Cause students get in free, I guess.
I don't know.
Do they? I don't know.
I don't remember.
It too long ago.
I never went to a game.
When I was in college.
Oh, I did.
I never went to a game.
Not once.
Cause you know, we took We took Caleb a couple times.
Cara, we have talked for so long now.
So, much.
Now it's time to play a little game we like to call Search Me! Where we each ask each other one trivia question from our week's internet travels.
Cara, your question today is, what UK candy surprisingly contains no alcohol? Despite its name.
Oh my gosh, I am unfamiliar with UK candy.
I was hoping maybe you'd heard about these.
Somewhere especially in your um Instagram Travels with that one guy.
Nope.
There's no way there's I have nothing.
I don't even have a guess The only thing that's coming to mind is milk tray tray.
Oh, yeah, they do have that Cadbury.
Yeah, I got nothing.
It's wine gums.
Oh That sounds like a disease like you've had too much wine and now your teeth are messed up.
Yeah, or like when you get purple teeth Your wine teeth.
Oh man, I got the wine gums.
They're actually most often compared to dots.
Oh, okay.
the U.
S.
But people say the textures are a little bit different.
Okay.
I think they're a bit more even sticky.
Oh, geez.
I can't even imagine.
I know.
These dots are really sticky.
Super.
Here are some other UK and U.
S.
candy name differences.
Okay.
Because I thought this was interesting.
We'll just do them real quick.
Mars bars in the UK is the same as our Milky Way.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
But they also have a Milky Way over there, but that's like our three Musketeers.
Okay.
Snickers in the UK is still like Snickers in the US, but the UK version is slightly less sweet.
Okay.
Um, and they're their chocolates way better over there.
Yeah.
It's probably a lot better.
Bounty in the UK.
What do you think it is over here? I'll tell you it is a chocolate bar.
Oh, oh, uh, bounty, um, payday.
Nope.
It is.
Oh, that's good.
That's good though.
the plan words.
It's mounds in the U S the, um, coconut and dark chocolate.
Oh, oh, or almond joy which is milk chocolate and almond.
I love those.
Me too.
I'm not a fan of coconut, but I like almond joy and mounds.
Yeah, they're delicious.
really good.
Okay, Starburst in the UK is the same as Starburst in the US name-wise, but the UK uses natural flavors.
Oh, well, good for them.
Yeah, I bet ours are better with all of our red dye and all that crap.
Okay, opal fruits.
in the UK is actually an old name.
Now they're called Starburst.
So, they used to be called Opal Fruits.
Refreshers in the UK are? Refreshers.
I don't know.
Like sweet tarts.
I don't think of sweet tarts as being refreshing.
Love hearts in the UK are like are? Oh, sweet tarts? No.
Oh, uh, uh.
Conversation hearts? Yes.
Well, I hate those.
know they're so gross.
uh Sherbet lemons in the UK are like our...
Lemon heads? Lemon drops.
Okay.
Close.
Cadbury buttons.
Cadbury buttons? Would you like to put some chocolate buttons on it? Uh, Hershey Kisses? Yes.
Smarties in the UK are like what here? I will tell you, Smarties in the UK, they are not fruit flavored.
Oh.
Hmm.
I don't know.
That's what they call M &Ms.
Oh.
Yeah.
Weird, huh? Okay.
M &Ms.
Smarties in the US are called what? We already said this love hearts.come on.
Okay.
Toffee crisps in the UK are called, I don't know.
It's similar to our 100 grand.
Oh, I love a 100 grand.
They're really good.
They're underrated.
are.
Rolos in the UK and Rolos in the US are the same, same name, slightly different recipe.
Polo mints.
What do we call those? Junior mints.
Nope.
Close.
uh Starlight mints.
Are they mint? Yes.
Well, I don't know.
Lifesavers.
What? Those are not mints.
Like the spear mint or wintergreen or probably not wintergreen because they think wintergreen tastes like a toilet water, which it does.
It does.
I hate wintergreen.
It tastes like cleaning, like toilet cleaner smells.
100%.
And finally, after eights in the UK are what we call...
I heard of after eight.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
I can't remember.
I don't know.
don't know.
York peppermint patties.
Yum.
My sources were candyblog.
net, of course, Reddit, and Snack Wars YouTube videos.
That's fun.
you search Snack Wars on YouTube, it is so funny.
Okay.
They pit different countries.
foods against each other, like comparable foods.
And they'll say which one is better.
Okay.
So, someone taste testing those.
Yeah.
Like Steve Carell did one.
Oh my gosh.
But usually it's like more than one person because it'll be one person from one country and another person from the other country.
So, it was, um, oh my gosh.
Pedro.
Yes.
Can't think of his whole name.
Pedro is all I can come up with.
Pascal.
Pascal.
What? Everybody stop.
I just remember something on my own and quickly.
There was no edit there just now.
Holy shit.
It was that last sip of coffee.
oh Wow.
Okay.
Move on now.
Pedro Pascal and John Favreau pitted US and Chilean foods against each other.
And it was hilarious.
And the Chilean foods won hands down.
Okay.
Of course.
Cause they were delicious.
And US foods are just, you know, whatever.
Just okay.
But they do US versus UK all the time.
Okay.
And then sometimes they'll do like UK versus the world or US versus the world.
And they'll have lots of different things that are comparable to US foods.
So, fun.
And so funny because our tastes are, are just, it's not something you're really born with.
It's something that develops and that you cultivate.
And so it's so funny to see the reactions of some people.
It's so funny because you know, I'm not around my parents very often, but they at this point I'm 47 and they are shocked at some of the foods I will eat.
Like, like they still look at me like I'm a four year old, I guess, because the things I used to eat when I was a child.
You were picky.
I was very picky.
I would not.
But now I mean, I'll eat anything now.
I really will.
I I try new stuff all the time.
like, I mean, I like trying new foods.
Would you eat a century egg? No, I wouldn't.
Brea, I watched a movie.
Um, I couldn't get through the whole thing.
I had to stop cause it wasn't very good, but part of the movie, they were in China.
They had to go to China, um, for some business deal and they met the business.
Like the CFO or the owner at this club.
Yeah, and they did century egg shots And she she yacked she tried to keep it down and she couldn't she yacked oh so disgusting they did century eggs on snack wars oh and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna ruin it for you because I think you will look this up.
I think you'll look up snack wars cuz you'll like this but Greg Davies, Noel Fielding.
No.
And.
Oh my goodness.
Somebody else I can't remember.
It was priceless.
I bet.
can.
Priceless.
You'll have to tell me after you watch it.
Okay, anyway.
Brea? Yeah.
Which 1966 song by Norma Tanega was used as a theme for the film and TV series What We Do in the Shadows? Did you watch, you watched that? I tried.
Oh, you couldn't get into it.
I could not finish it.
I will.
I don't know.
uh You're dead and out of this world.
It's called You're Dead.
You're dead.
And the reason I look this up uh real quick, before I forget, my sources were Shazam and IMDB.
OK.
The reason I look this up is Sean and I were Watching season one of bad sisters.
Oh my gosh.
I love that.
What a great show season one was amazing I so I'm shocked.
There's another season.
They really should have just ended it.
Yeah, they should have it should just been a short series a one-off I don't even want to watch the second season because I don't even know where they're gonna go with us.
Yeah, but the first season was spectacular mm-hmm as One of the episodes ended this song came on And Sean and I both turned and looked at each other because we thought that song had been written specifically for What We Do in the Shadows.
We didn't know that was a song by an artist who recorded it in the 60s.
We had no idea.
And so What We Do in the Shadows, they probably used it because it was free.
Well, no, it wouldn't be free.
Wouldn't be? From the 60s? No, because it's like for the lifetime plus 100 years.
the royalties.
Oh, the lifetime of the person.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, like once they die and then a hundred years past their death, then it becomes free, I think is the rule.
Okay.
I may be wrong about that.
I don't think it's that long.
Oh, I think it is.
I think it's a long time.
Anyway, doesn't matter.
We'll get back to that.
Maybe there's something we'll search next week.
Um, but anyway, Norma Tanega, she's an interesting person and that album, was called Walkin' My Cat Named Dog.
Norma, what were you on girl? The songs on that album, I listened to it this week.
She's quirky.
She's quirky.
Maybe she was doing a little LSD.
That was a good song though.
I enjoyed it.
You're Dead is a good song.
Is it? Yeah, it is.
I don't remember that from the theme of What We Do in the Shadows, but I just couldn't get into that show.
So, I do like that show, but I can only handle it a little bit at a time.
It's not anything that I can binge.
It gets...
uh Grading? Yeah, was gonna say annoying or something.
It's too much.
Yes.
It's like that show.
It's too much.
Yes.
But it is funny.
Yeah, it's a lot.
But it is a lot, you're right.
It's over the top.
It's kind of like the guy who plays one of the main characters in that show.
He was also on the IT crowd as like the boss.
Oh, yes.
I don't like him.
I never think he's funny.
Oh my gosh.
You're just not that funny.
I love the woman in that show.
She, to me, is the funniest part.
Yes, I agree.
I think she's the best part.
She's hilarious.
And just the things that she's so...
Anyway, there you go.
Okay.
Norma Tanega.
Now you know.
You're dead.
You're dead.
You're dead.
And out of this world.
So, we both love bad sisters.
Yes, we do, Brea.
That's something we share.
That's something we share.
Something else we like to share with each other is our internet searches.
That's right.
And now it's time for shared history.
Yes.
Where we tell you our DTH besties the most interesting thing we learned this week.
Yeah.
Here we go.
I learned about Alan Turing's treasure.
Sit back and let me tell you a strange, very human and often overlooked story of Alan Turing trying to protect.
his money during World War II.
Oh, okay.
Only for the plan to go spectacularly wrong.
For those not familiar, Alan Turing was the renowned code breaker who devised the Enigma machine during World War II to help the Allies decode intercepted Nazi messages.
Or axis message, I guess it wasn't just Nazis.
He was played by Benedict Cumberbatch in the movie.
What was it called? Code breakers? No, I think it was called Enigma.
Enigma, that's right.
After the machine.
Yes, good movie.
I'm very pretty.
I'm quite pretty.
Oh I look quite pretty.
Kira Knightley.
Kira Knightley.
Which also in it.
Oh it hurts my jaw to do that.
Yeah it's hard to do.
It's hard to be a bulldog anyway.
Sorry Kira.
We love you.
beautiful.
Yeah you are.
But that line in Love Actually, who freaking wrote that? Not a real woman.
Yeah we're not blaming you.
Because no woman would ever say that.
I'm sorry.
Unless you were a complete narcissist weirdo.
I don't know.
I mean if I was as skinny and beautiful as she is I might say that.
I don't know.
I might say oh my hair looks good there or oh oh My dress sure looked nice or whatever, but I don't think I would ever say, oh, I look quite pretty.
What? uh Anyway, where were we? Where were we? During the early years of the war.
Yes, something that's far more important.
World War II, is.
Turing became convinced that a German invasion of Britain was possible.
Well, everybody did, really.
Like many people at the time, he worried that if the Nazis reached English soil, banks would collapse or be seized.
His solution was very Turing-like.
Practical, eccentric, and ultimately disastrous.
Oh no.
Yeah.
He withdrew most of his life savings in silver bars and buried them in the woods.
Oh no.
Near Bletchley Park.
To keep them safe from Nazi occupation.
Here's what went wrong.
He didn't mark the spot.
And he had a terrible sense of direction.
No! Not a good combination.
No! So, after the immediate invasion panic passed, he went back to retrieve the silver and could not find it.
Multiple historical accounts note that he devised a coded set of directions to help him relocate the silver bars he buried, with the idea being that if the Germans invaded, the instructions would be so useless to anyone but him that nobody would be able to find it.
And when he returned after the invasion scare had passed, he couldn't decipher his own Oh no! It's not funny if you're him.
my gosh.
What did he do? But the irony is pretty...
That's pretty thick.
Yeah.
And the landscape had changed enough that the landmarks no longer matched.
Oh my gosh.
He tried repeatedly, even using a homemade metal detector, but the device didn't work well in the soil conditions.
So, how about buy one, buy another one, like a real one, not homemade, Alan.
Oh, that's right.
All of your money was buried somewhere.
This silver was never recovered.
No.
To this day.
Oh my gosh.
So, now that we have high powered modern metal detectors.
Come on people.
When did Alan Turing die? I don't know.
I don't either.
He died by suicide.
Oh, that's right.
I had forgotten about that.
His death and later life, because he wasn't even that old.
No, no.
Were very tragic because he was persecuted for being gay.
He was chemically castrated.
Yeah.
And um then he took his own life.
Yeah, that's that guy.
And he had lost all of his money.
Right.
Exactly.
So,, Good grief.
He went through a rough patch.
Wow.
My sources were no such thing as a fish podcast.
Of course.
Turing.
org.
uk.
Okay.
Wow.
Wow.
I had never heard that before.
Yeah.
I heard that story and I was like, holy crap, I gotta look up more about this.
Now we're going to stay in the same vein of watching TV.
Sorry, Colleen.
It's just, it is who we are.
Sean and I went to the Alamo because they were airing the 40th anniversary of Labyrinth.
Have you ever seen Labyrinth? Yeah.
So, Sean and I thought we both agreed.
This is why we ended up going.
I said, I thought it would be fun to watch it again because I haven't seen it in years.
And Sean said, well, I've only seen parts of it.
And I said, same, I've never seen it beginning to end.
There's a reason for that.
we went and we enjoyed ourselves so much.
You did? It was actually really good.
Was it a party, like a labyrinth party? It was not.
It was just labyrinth.
It was a bunch of Gen X people.
Just watching the movie.
Munching on popcorn and singing David Bowie songs.
It was not a party.
It was just the movie.
I hate that movie.
I actually, was surprised at how much I liked it.
I was expecting to be so annoyed with it, but that I went in thinking I'm, paying money to go see this movie and leave going, Oh my gosh, that was so horrible.
Yeah.
We had so much fun.
Oh good.
So, I liked it so much.
In fact, And I was so, like, it was very nostalgic.
That was a big part of it.
uh But David Bowie, you know, he's so nuts in that show, that movie.
And then I love the Muppets.
So, I was like, I need to know more about the behind the scenes of this movie.
So, that's what I looked up.
I wanted to know the things I didn't know about this movie, which was actually quite a lot.
oh I didn't know David Bowie wrote all the original music for the film.
He wrote all of it.
um David Bowie's wig was a technical challenge and it took hours to style it and it was customized to withstand intense lighting and his movements.
So,, you know, I'm like, that thing sticks up the whole time and they had to work real hard to get it that way.
Jim Henson specifically wanted David Bowie for the role of the Goblin King.
not only for his charisma, but also to appeal to both younger viewers and adults.
Okay.
Cause he wanted both.
Right.
To be watching this.
Correct.
Jim Henson's creature shop created over 40 puppets and costumes.
Um, and they were operated by teams of puppeteers working together in tight coordination.
I don't know if you've ever seen like the behind the scenes of the Muppets and what these people have to do.
Oh yeah.
It's crazy.
It's unbelievable.
They have to be doing sit ups night and day to have the core strength to do what they're doing.
I don't understand it.
Yeah.
It's, you know, you take it for granted when you're a little kid and you're watching this and it's just puppets, you know? They're so lifelike.
It's weird.
Anyway, I don't know if you remember who Hoggle is, but it's one of the first Muppets that Sarah meets em in the labyrinth.
And they're about three, he's, he's about three feet tall and he's got giant face and he's very expressive.
He kind of looks like a little troll.
Yes.
So, he's like a character throughout.
em Hoggle required two performers.
One actor worked the face using animatronics while the other one performed the body and they had to sync up.
to make it work, which is shocking to me, like knowing that now after I saw the movie, I can't believe how they did that.
um Let's see, did I write this down further into, I don't think so.
uh Oh, here it is, it's right here.
So,.
before the movie started, you know how they play clips or commercials or something having to do with the movie you're about to see.
So, they were showing a bunch of 80s commercials and those were really fun.
But one of them was a clip from Brean Henson, who's Jim Henson's son.
And he was a big part of this movie.
It's happening.
And he said that, like he was talking to a group of people about this movie and there was a woman inside this costume.
Okay.
And she, so she was walking around in the costume while someone else was controlling the facial features and the voice.
Someone else was doing the voice.
Oh my gosh.
So, actually three people involved in this.
And so originally when they put her in this suit, they gave her a monitor inside and she, there was like a tiny camera in one of the eyeballs or something.
And so, She kept trying to do that and it wasn't working.
Like she could not see, she kept running into stuff.
The monitor, she couldn't like see it inside them.
they were like, this isn't working.
So, they ended up painting her face the same shade of black as the inside of the Muppet's mouth.
And so what she did then was she would look through the mouth as the puppet was talking.
So, she was operating the mouth.
Okay.
So, then the only time she could see where she was going is when the mouth was open.
So, that's why that character often is going like, oh, oh.
And it's like grunting and groaning and making like, ah, ah, So, she could see where she was walking.
Holy cow.
Oh my God.
Somebody else was making those noises? Yes.
So, she would.
That person was just watching.
Okay.
And so when she would start to open the mouth, they would just like, wow.
Oh my gosh.
Can you imagine? No.
This is what I'm talking about.
The puppeteers.
Holy cow.
But here's what I'm saying.
Was it worth it? I mean.
enjoyed it.
Okay.
A lot of people do.
So, I guess it was worth it.
Um, let's see.
The owl in the opening scene is a puppet.
Many viewers assumed that it was a real owl, but it was actually a highly advanced animatronic creation by Jim Henson's workshop.
Back in the day.
Toby, the baby was the baby of one of the art designers and puppeteers on the film.
Um, they needed a baby in the film.
They had a baby.
they put Toby in the film and Toby is his real name.
uh He was often scared by the puppets and he cried on set a lot.
ah So, they had to adjust their filming schedule around like when they needed to use him and not use the puppets.
oh So, that he wouldn't freak out.
Like they just needed him to crawl and having a puppet around was not working.
Puppets are on lunch break, so let's film some Toby scenes.
Toby scenes.
The film underperformed at the box office.
No.
On its original release date, but later became a cult classic through home video and television airings.
Oh yeah, it was on HBO constantly.
Yes.
Constantly.
em I wanted to see it when I was a kid.
And of course, mom and dad were like, no, you're not gonna go see that.
David Bowie probably.
And probably the devil was involved.
Puppets are the devil.
David Bowie probably had a huge part in why I didn't get to see it.
But I got to see it at a friend's house.
Or so I thought.
It was a sleepover and I think I just fell asleep.
Yep, that tracks.
Anyway.
The fireys, which were some of the puppets, were performed upside down.
The puppeteers operated them from below the set.
through trap doors, which made their detached body routine even more impressive and exhausting.
Ser Dittemis' dog, Ambrosius, was a full puppet.
I thought this was a freaking real dog in the show, in the movie.
I keep saying show like an old lady.
I thought it was a real dog.
Like, even before you researched this and after you'd watched the whole movie? I had watched the movie and I just, thought it was a real dog in the movie and then I researched this and they're saying the whole thing was a puppet.
Oh my god.
Sean doesn't believe that he thinks there he said there's parts of that.
That's a real dog.
And I said, I, according to this, it's not that's crazy.
It was crazy.
Um, he required multiple puppeteers to operate head, legs and tail.
Despite being small, he was surprisingly complex.
I agree.
Ludo's rocks moving are practical effects.
They were operated with hidden rods and clever camera angles rather than stop motion or animation.
That's amazing to me too.
Many of the puppeteers performed blind.
Large costumes like the guards severely limited their vision, so movements were carefully choreographed and rehearsed.
So, they just...
They just knew where they needed to be and what they needed to do and trusted that nobody put any obstacles in their way.
Exactly right.
It took about five months to film, which I thought, holy cow, that's fast.
But this says that was much longer than a typical fantasy film.
at the time, largely due to the complexity of the puppets and the set pieces.
The Escher-inspired staircase, you know, the one that goes up and down and sideways, it was achieved using a physical set.
There were no visual effects involved.
Wow.
It was based on the illusion created by M.
C.
Escher's artwork.
Jim Henson directed the film, one of his few live action directing projects without Frank Oz as the co-director.
David Bowie recorded the vocal tracks twice.
Some scenes required him to sing live on set while others were using pre, uh, other scenes use prerecorded tracks and this caused slight differences in tone, vocal tone across the scenes.
Yeah.
Okay.
I did not notice that, but okay.
His crystal ball juggling was mostly real.
Um, a professional juggler, Michael Machin, Masken, Machin? Hmm.
Stood hidden behind Bowie, often crouched and dressed in black and performed the intricate contact juggling scene on screen.
Now I have seen video of this taking place.
so like David Bowie is standing there and this guy is he's like basically spooning David Bowie.
Oh yeah.
And his arm.
Yeah.
You know, they're keeping it like kind of cut off and his chest.
So, this guy's arm is like doing all the things to make it look like David Bowie's arm.
It's hilarious.
And convincing.
Like in the movie, if you didn't know that, you wouldn't know.
Yeah.
Sean, I told him that he goes, well, yeah, David Bowie is not doing that.
And I said, what do you mean? And he goes, David Bowie can't do what that hand was doing.
I said, you don't know that.
You don't know David Bowie.
He has, he is a man of, you know, many tricks and whatever.
Maybe David Bowie could do that.
Yeah.
Sean knows everything.
He knows what David Bowie could and couldn't do.
They're best friends.
Or were.
RIP.
sorry.
Labyrinth is meant to reflect Sarah's inner growth.
As she matures emotionally, the maze becomes less about obstacles and more about choice and responsibility.
The film's tone was intentionally ambiguous.
Jim Henson wanted it to feel dreamlike, both magical and slightly unsettling.
mirroring how childhood fantasies fade into adolescence.
The labyrinth uh represents adolescence, confusing, frustrating, and full of contradictions.
Early in the film, Sarah expects the Mace to follow the rules.
By the end, she realizes that rules change and choices matter more than logic, reflecting emotional maturity.
The two guards...
The one always lies and one always tells the truth, highlights how binary thinking doesn't always work in the real world.
Doors that lead up, down, and back where you started symbolize how growth is non-linear.
uh Many of the characters and locations appear to be manifestations of items inside Sarah's bedroom, suggesting that the labyrinth is constructed from Sarah's imagination.
Now, a lot of this stuff is fan.
Theories.
That's what this stuff is.
We've moved into fan theories.
Um, Ludo resembles her stuffed animal.
Serdidymus reflects the toy night in her room and the junk lady carries objects similar to Sarah's forgotten childhood belongings.
That scene was super interesting.
I didn't, I hadn't seen that.
It's kind of stuck with me.
I keep thinking about that particular scene with the junk lady and that particular scene is often seen as the most symbolic moment, which That tracks.
It's where she tempts Sarah with nostalgia and comfort, but Sarah breaks away.
The weight of the objects physically trap her and they symbolize how clinging to childhood can prevent forward movement.
A fan theory about Jareth, the Goblin King, is that he is a projection of Sarah's desires as a 14 year old.
oh He's charming, dramatic, and theatrical.
Everything missing from her mundane life.
right.
Man, life's so boring.
Life is so boring.
It sucks.
I can't wait till I have an iPhone.
can't wait till I'm a grown up and I can make all my own decisions.
I'm going to be an adult.
Her appearance resembles a romantic fantasy rather than a traditional villain.
Jareth gives Sarah clear rules uh and a fair time limit.
I don't know.
He kind of messed with time.
I don't know that that's a fair time limit.
He intervenes often, but rarely stops her outright, suggesting his role is more of a guardian of the trial than a true antagonist.
The climax of the movie isn't a battle, it's Sarah's realization.
She wins by rejecting unhealthy fantasies and reclaiming control of her identity.
Jareth controls time, the 13 hour limit, symbolizing her fear of losing control and responsibility.
Clocks appear repeatedly, reinforcing anxiety about growing up too fast.
According to Jim Henson, the story is about the moment when a child realizes that the world does not revolve around them, and they learn to move forward anyway.
When does that happen? So, when that movie was over, I told Sean, said, well, I thought I had seen that movie.
I thought I had seen huge chunks of that movie.
And it turns out the only part of that movie I had seen was the very like the last 10 minutes where they're in the stair, the Escher stairs.
I had not, if I had seen that movie previously, It did not stick with me.
I do not think I had seen that movie before.
I think I'd only seen the staircase part and the very end.
don't know.
And Sean, so then he said the same thing.
We were both laughing so hard about it because we both have just seen the end of it.
We've not seen the first part.
I wonder what...
I mean, you obviously woke up or something.
I don't know.
At the end of the movie when you were at the sleepover and saw it.
But I wonder what, why he had only seen the end.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You know, since it was on HBO, maybe he just kept catching it at the end of HBO.
Cause they had HBO.
Yeah.
Turned on the TV.
Yeah.
It was just on.
But knowing me, I was probably already sleepy when we started the movie and I probably just was too sleepy to pay attention.
And then I fell asleep and then I woke up and then probably went back to sleep again.
Yeah.
You woke up because you didn't want everybody to know that you had fallen asleep.
Yeah.
That's right.
my sources were Jim Henson, his website, whatever that is.
Jim Henson's website, I looked up IMDB and I looked up uh something, wasn't like an official David Bowie site, but it was a fan uh site for David Bowie.
And they had, that's where the fan theories came from about David Bowie.
Let me tell you, David Bowie wearing those skin tight pants.
Someone should have done something about that.
Like there were scenes I was uncomfortable.
I was like, I can see all of you got going on there, David Bowie.
Oh my.
oh Maybe that's why your parents didn't want you watching.
Well, I would thank them because I'd be like, mommy, daddy, why's there peanuts in his pants? Why does he have an anaconda in his Everything going on! Wow, wow.
But Cara, what about this one? This is a quick listing of our other searches from the past week that we didn't have time to discuss in this episode or were just too damn boring.
Oh, you're boring! She couldn't even muster the usual yell because she's laughing.
can't stop thinking about his pants.
His pants weren't boring.
Oh, no, they weren't boring.
Okay, here we go.
This is a 32 item list.
Are you ready? Whoa.
Can food allergies cause sinus congestion? Full question.
Full question.
Yes, they can.
Chocolate, dairy, bananas.
Oh.
And a list of other things everything that Clint eats Oh My god sinus congestion and he is constantly like this past week.
I was like dude, you're either really sick or You need to stop eating whatever you're eating.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm And is he gonna do an elimination diet and see what helps? Okay, whatever I'm just go back to my my little coats And then I feel a little bit better like, okay, yeah, we all do those things, but we know that we have control over something and we don't do anything about it.
oh Minneapolis state of emergency dudes.
Gosh, I'm mighty.
Isn't that horrible? I'm very worried about Minneapolis.
I love that city and I'm really worried and I'm really pissed off.
Yeah, I really pissed off.
I am right there with you.
Next time you check a box at an election, maybe you might want to think about whether the lunatic moron might cause like, I don't know, a civil war.
Yep.
Just saying.
It's a good thing to ponder.
I mean, just because you hate trans people and you hate, um, who else? People who are not from this country originally.
Not white people.
Right, just because you have a problem with everyone who's not exactly like you? Not a good enough reason to vote for somebody.
Just saying.
Hugh Dispenser is a real person from back in the day.
And he was almost as bad as our current president.
Lumina Nail Lounge, Parkview High School, Springfield, no.
Aidan Hammond, Allison Hammond, Noel Fielding, illness.
Noel Fielding without makeup.
Is Noel Fielding naturally blonde? Is he? No.
Okay, I was gonna say there's no way.
But he does have much lighter hair.
Okay.
he dies it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause he's, you know, emo.
He's a goth.
Yeah.
He's goth.
Goth.
That's what I meant.
Not an emo.
Um, by the way, I had a dream about Noel Fielding last night.
I wonder why.
Noel.
Geez.
I love him so children.
I know.
It kills me.
I never think of him.
I think of him as being a single person just doing his Noel thing.
But he was for- A long time.
Yeah.
Kills me.
He had children late in life.
Okay.
I just love him so much.
I do too.
Joe Wilkinson, Paul Chowdhury, Ben Fogel, Alan Turing, Treasure, Nate Bargatze, Springfield Moe.
I don't even have enough money to have searched for that.
Knights of Valor, Medieval Times Branson, Dixie Stampede, Branson Moe, Branson Bell Showboat.
You're...
You're working on your vacation.
We have got to get together and work on that.
I know.
I have no Saturdays in January.
It's going to have to be in February.
Is that too late? No.
Callum Turner, Anthony Boyle, Austin Butler, Masters of the Air.
Did you watch it? I'm watching it.
Okay.
Trespass as a verb.
Beauty in the Geek UK, Martin Henderson, My Life is Murder.
Not Going Out episodes, Madeleine Albright, don't even.
Sweet Tarts, Wine Gum, Jocky Wilson.
Wow.
What a list.
is like, like I imagine you, when you read your list, this is what I do every week.
I'm gonna give you a little insight.
Over two years of us doing this.
I imagine you in your home.
and what you must be doing when you search these things.
Like I am picturing you and I'm trying to imagine like what you're doing in your home to prompt you to search these things.
Like what must she be doing? Well, I don't want to ruin it for you, but 90 % of the time I'm sitting on my ass reading or watching something.
Of course, because that's what prompts most of my searches as well.
I'm reading something or I'm watching TV.
oh and somebody says something and I'm like, what the hell is that? But for some reason in my mind, I don't know, my brain just automatically when you start reading your list, I automatically start picturing you in your house searching and trying to figure out what you must be doing.
Anyway, this is how my brain works.
Not doing anything.
When people talk to me or are telling me stories about things that have happened to them, my brain automatically just tries to put them in a situation.
just picturing it all the time, picturing it.
And I like at work, I like to picture people in their office when I'm talking to them on the phone.
So, if I've never seen their office, I have to create an office in my mind, but I like to go visit them in their building so I can see their office and that way I know how to picture them when I'm talking to them on the phone.
Okay.
That makes sense.
Does it? I don't know.
Yeah, because every time you're talking to somebody, or they're talking about something and you're not physically with them, or they're talking about a time that you weren't with them.
You want to create the movie in your head of what's happening.
I have to have the movie going.
Yeah.
So, that you can actually picture what they're talking about.
Do you do that? Yeah.
I don't do the office thing.
Okay.
Or picture where they are.
Do you do that when you read a book? Are you picturing, are you seeing it in your mind? It's a movie in my head.
Yeah.
Same when I'm writing a book.
Okay.
Oh, for sure.
Um, your list, please.
Okay.
My list is Kurt Cousins news.
Sean and I have decided that Kurt Cousins should be Patrick Mahomes backup because now what's his face has been hurt and he's been, he can't stay healthy.
Is Jesse Tyler Ferguson sick? I don't think he is.
No good.
Norma Tanega.
uh Square point of sale app, Pinnager Honda service, reliable Chevrolet service.
Sean and I both got a recall.
Oh no.
So, we've got to take them both in.
Annoying.
IMDB searches, your friends and neighbors.
Have you watched that with Jon Hamm? Yeah, I tried.
It's a little bit boring, but it was enough Jon Hamm to keep me pulled in.
Clint and I tried to watch it together.
And he lost all interest.
And I was like, I'm not really into that either.
So, we just stopped watching it.
It's slow, but I could probably watch it by myself.
Okay.
We got through it.
27 dresses.
Uh, keep watching that movie.
I think I watch it every year.
I just love it.
I don't know.
And I keep telling myself it's just a rom-com.
Yeah.
But I love it too.
It's just such a good one.
It is.
It's so cute.
Jennifer Connelly labyrinth.
Kit Harrington, Miss Scarlett, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Grace and Frankie.
Moving on which is a movie with Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda.
I love them But it seems like the only thing they ever do anymore is stuff together.
Yes.
Well, it's because they're so good together They're just a package deal.
I was shocked at how elderly they both looked in this movie oh And Sean said well, they couldn't have been that much after grace and Frankie and I was like, oh I think you're forgetting how long ago grace and Frankie was because will it came on during the pandemic.
was like, oh no.
know it was before then.
Grace and Frankie started in 2015.
Yeah.
And I mean, that's a full on 10 years ago.
Yeah, that's a decade.
So, yeah, but anyway, they're both...
I know.
It's gonna be a sad day when one of them goes.
I know, but then I think about pictures of me from 10 years ago.
I know, me too.
And I'm like, God, I...
I have aged so freaking much.
Yep, it's escalating.
Ridiculous.
And finally, Bad Sisters.
That's it.
Okay.
Gosh, sorry.
Do you have any listener shout outs? None.
Okay.
Heather, I have one from my dear sister.
excellent.
First of all, she said, girl, the cat thing.
We were talking about cats who grieve for the other cats.
And I was talking about boo.
And those were her cats.
And so she said, it did make me sad, but also laugh real hard listening to your memories of hanging with them.
And then she said, you had some weird soft music under the segment about cat memory.
Was that on purpose? Yes.
Yes, was.
Sometimes when I'm editing, I'm like, I'm just going to get this done.
Yeah.
I'm not even gonna, I'm not gonna edit out ums, I'm not gonna edit out, I'm just gonna like, if it's not something that we specifically say, edit that out or whatever.
I'm just gonna go through it, I'm gonna put all the elements in that need to be in there and I'm just gonna do it.
And then I get into it and then I'm like, you know what would be great here? I know exactly what you mean.
music.
I know what it was.
Sheesa.
I love Spirited, the movie.
oh Makes me howl every year.
So, she was really, really into it.
And then that episode where we talked about Spirited, she said, I laughed so hard several times, I really shouldn't have listened in our common area while batch scanning.
oh was just picturing her at the scanner laughing out loud and people were like, what? And she said, I have a new coworker and I had to keep apologizing.
Anyway.
she tell the coworker about our podcast? She's a good advertiser.
Nice.
So,, since I've already deleted all my memories, what else do I need to delete? Your history! Okay.
Go delete it! Alright.
Stay fresh, cheese bags.
Buh-Lai.
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