I'm realizing that I didn't say our blurb in the last episode.
you didn't.
I didn't want to stop you.
I appreciate that.
But always feel like you can stop me.
But look, you noticed it just now.
That's pretty...
Dink.
Like a steel trap.
But good luck putting that interstitial in.
I was like, don't want to interrupt her, but at the same time, where's she going to put the interstitial? Don't worry about it.
Great.
Also, don't listen for it.
[Opening theme: 
With you the sun is shining 24x7 Cause when we're together It feels like we're in heaven If it will get dark You'll be my million stars…]
Welcome to episode 83 of Delete This History, podcast by two besties of a certain age searching for answers.
We're your hosts, Brea Brown.
And Cara Burch.
What's new, bestie? Oh, just a little thing called a headache.
Oh no.
You know what I did? What'd you do? I was on my way out the door here.
Yeah.
And I saw a giant wasp.
No, it was a hornet.
It was a hornet.
It was big and it was flying around inside the house.
Oh no.
And Tony the dog, Tony the Greyhound is terrified of anything that buzzes.
Yes.
And he always yells, Baze! And runs down the hall and he stays in the back bedroom for hours.
He's so scared.
We think he must've gotten stung at some point.
So, anything buzzing.
So, I knew and Sean was getting ready to leave at the same time.
So, I thought I better kill this thing.
So, we didn't got a fly swatter and I killed it.
But when I swatted it, I think like its little leg or antenna, or something got stuck in the fly swatter holes.
And so, when I yanked it back, I actually jerked it back at me.
But my brain said that thing's attacking you.
And so, it was flying.
It was coming at me even though I, was.
like deader than dead.
And attached to you.
It, well it hit me in the chest, the chesticles, and I had an immediate headache.
Like it just, I had just my blood pressure shot up so, cause I am, I am not good with bugs, spiders.
Like I just, have a real problem with them.
must be where Tony gets it.
I know, sorry buddy.
I passed it on to him.
So, I just immediately, and it won't go away now.
It's just like still lingering there.
 But I got it out of the house and now Tony doesn't have to live in the back bedroom for the rest of the doesn't have to live in fear.
Which is good.
That's what a good mom does.
uh Gosh, sorry.
I just had a...
So, we're recording this about three weeks before it'll be heard by besties, because that's what we're doing now.
Yes.
Yeah.
We're just going to tell you, we're inviting you behind the curtain here.
So, for you guys, Halloween is over.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
That's right.
um I'm fully recovered from my...
hysterectomy, and I'm sure the world is just a much, much nicer place, right? For sure.
It's not wrong to be optimistic that in three weeks, everything will be fixed.
Tip top.
Cause that's what keeps me going.
Some days.
Oh my gosh.
Actually, I just thought of something that will be happening after the day after this episode drops.
And that is my husband will be having eye surgery.
Oh, to correct a potentially blinding condition that we didn't know was potentially blinding.
But we found out was, oh, hey, if you don't have this done, eventually you'll either need a cornea transplant or you'll just go blind in that eye.
Okay.
Let's make that a priority.
Okay, I guess we'll be doing that then.
So, we're just fixing everything that's wrong with our bodies in the Brown household.
be perfect.
Bionic before 2026 excellent.
It's gonna be great.
Very good.
I can't um So, that's kind of exciting I'm excited for you.
I'm excited for him because he you know, he drives for a living Yep, kind of important.
He surely does that you can see and he's had trouble with depth perception like his whole life and He says that he has the same problem that Peyton was having where he was having to find his place every time he would get to the end of a line reading.
Oh no.
Because when we were talking about that, we talked about that I think in the last, well two episodes ago.
Yeah.
And we were talking about that at home and he said, oh yeah, that's what I have to do too.
What in the heck? So, yeah.
But isn't that wild to think that Halloween's gonna be over? I know.
It's just, I'm trying to enjoy this month because I don't know what happened to September.
I blinked and it was gone.
Well, you did a bathroom.
I guess.
I would just hold up.
Yep.
Which by the way, when this airs, will be back in gear.
Bathroom moved in.
All the things.
Will your counters be done? Yes, they are coming.
I know this is going to be super old, but they're coming tomorrow.
They're going to be installed starting at 830 tomorrow morning.
know I cannot wait.
I have not had my bathroom usable since August 26th.
I can't imagine it's getting a little bit old, but It's going to pay off.
It's going to be beautiful.
It is going to be beautiful.
You'll have to post some pictures.
Yeah, I will.
On Instagram.
I'll do some before and afters for the Besties.
Yeah, I'll do some before and afters.
em I can't remember what the quartz looks like that we chose for the countertop.
So,, but so I hope it looks good.
I'm sure.
But at this point, even if it doesn't, I don't care.
I just want a sink and a counter in that bathroom.
oh, Your setup is super cool right now though.
She sent me a picture the other day, a selfie of her in the mirror, kind of.
But just because.
My torso.
Yeah, because she was taking a picture of the vanity area.
It's like the old countertop, right? It's not.
It's a piece of concrete board.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then two pieces of used like cut up drywall.
Yeah.
So, they're just laying across the top of my cabinets just so I can lay some crap down.
Like so I can use a hairdryer, and you know.
But it doesn't cover the entire countertop.
So, there's a hole.
There's a hole where the sink should be.
It's super classy looking.
I mean, she showed it to me and I was like, what's wrong with that? It's done, right? Looking so good.
Oh man.
Anyway, um, I think we should just probably just move along.
Okay.
Um, to a little game we like to call Search Me! Where we ask each other one trivia question from our week's internet travels.
Yes, that is correct.
A couple weeks ago I said, you know, something that hasn't changed at all is the game we like to call Search Me, but it has changed.
It has changed.
It doesn't change how we introduce it, like, you know, how we say it, and we still do it, and we still call the segment that, but we've changed how we do it.
It's true.
Derr.
It's true.
The things you catch when you're editing, you're like, wow, you are just a talking head.
You're just a head with a hole in it that just keeps moving and sounds come out, and you don't even think about what you're saying.
and then you listen back to it and you're like, holy shit.
in all fairness, there's a lot going on here.
Yeah.
So, sometimes you got to talk out of your head because you're trying to get ready for the next thing and your pie hole just keeps going because you got to fill the time.
You got to keep it moving forward.
But you just sound like a dummy.
It's just going to happen and it's OK.
OK, OK.
So, we have changed this, and I just want to acknowledge that we have.
And I want to thank you all for coming along the journey with us.
We just do one topic every week and then we have one question.
We're not keeping score.
We're not doing prizes.
And um we don't choose from our list of three things because um we don't have three things anymore.
There's no reading of the lists anymore.
But this trivia question is derivative of our searches throughout the week.
Correct.
It comes from our searches still.
Got it? Clears mud? Great.
Let's move on.
Cara, your question for today is an exact quote of what I put into my search bar in Engine.
Here we go.
Because it is a full question.
OK.
What the fuck is Craft Ice?  Now, C-R-A-F-T-I-C-E.
These are two separate words? Correct.
And I'll tell you where I heard this term.
All right.
So, that you can repeat the same question that I asked.
um There was a commercial on TV about um appliances.
And I can't remember what the store was, whether it was Best Buy or whatever, it was, was whatever, was appliances.
And the salesperson is standing there with the people who are looking to buy a refrigerator.
And she says, it makes five kinds of craft ice and blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, oh my gosh, what is even happening? What is happening in this world? uh And then I was like, What is craft ice and how do I get some? no, that's not what I thought.
But I was just like, what the fuck is craft ice? So, here we go.
Now you're gonna tell me, what do you think craft ice is? So, I believe craft ice is ice that has, well it's water that has been frozen into fun shapes like stars or hearts or round circles, like perfectly round circles or something like that.
You're very close.
Okay.
I think you actually should get that right because it's basically right.
It refers to large slow melting ice spheres or cubes, often crystal clear, that's used in cocktails and premium beverages.
So, if you get an old fashioned at a swanky bar, it will have one of those big old ice.
one giant spheres, cube or so, yes.
Yes, in it.
That's what craft ice is.
But how can a refrigerator make five different kinds? Can it do it on demand or do you have to pick one and stick with it? I think that it has choices that you can, yeah.
Like maybe you have to choose ahead of time and give it time to make it.
I think that is, cause yeah.
That's what I would imagine.
It's all coming back to me now, Celine Dion, but um part of my search, it did say that it's designed to chill drinks without diluting them quickly.
Enhancing both presentation and flavor.
It's popular in upscale bars and increasingly in home ice makers.
Now that's the end of what I have written down here cause why keep going on? Yeah, yeah, But as I was um researching this on my sources, blockice.com and vinepair.com, they did say that these refrigerators take like 24 hours or something like that to make the craft ice using the craft ice function.
So, I would imagine you would have to set the setting to make whatever kind of craft ice if you want cubes or if you want.
big spheres or small spheres or I mean I'm sure it's that kind of variety.
Yeah.
Four types of craft ice whatever.
Middle finger to you but I'm sure you have to set it and let it make the ice for a day 24 hours or whatever.
Yeah.
And then it will collect in the little whatever the little receptacle.
Wow.
Craft ice.
So, that you can have your fancy craft ice.
What a time we live in.
Isn't it? Gosh, I mean, I'm so glad that this is what we're focusing on with technology is how to make some fucking craft ice.
That's what the world needs.
Well, somebody said, I want craft ice from my refrigerator.
And someone else said, that is a great idea.
A bunch of dummies are going to buy that.
Yeah.
And then like a bunch of dummies like me will eventually be like, you know what? I really do actually want that.
I used to make fun of that, but I kind of do want that now because that's how we are.
We're like, if it's available.
I can't even imagine a, like would you just use it for your normal drinks? I can't imagine a scenario where I'm like absolutely hook me up.
I want uh one giant cube of ice.
Well let's say we were having a game night uh or something and I think it makes more than one at a time.
Oh yeah.
 That would be such a lame feature if it didn't.
It makes four kinds of crap.
It takes 24 hours to make one.
One person gets an old-fashioned, who is it? We'll draw numbers.
Okay, but I'm thinking like if we had a game night or something or you had a group of people over, that would be kind of cool to be able to serve cocktails like that and like it'd be super fancy.
And then if you just wanted to treat yourself on a normal day, you could just put it in your soda or your water or whatever.
Yes.
If it's slow melting, that would be nice.
Yeah.
But I bet people, I bet our grandparents were like, why would anyone need an ice maker in a refrigerator? Why would anyone need a water dispenser in a refrigerator? There's a faucet right there.
All you gotta do is fill these trays and put them in the freezer.
Yes.
What's wrong with people? There's lots of things that we have now that people were probably like, what the fuck is an ice maker? Yeah, that's true.
My parents still use ice trays.
When they got a new refrigerator, they did not get anything in the door.
They were going to stick with the ice trays, and they still do to this day, which is fine.
we have an ice maker in our freezer, but we don't have a door dispenser.
Cause Sean said his parents had one like his entire childhood and it was always broken.
was always something wrong with it.
It was always leaking or, and he said that was multiple refrigerators.
So, when we bought a refrigerator, he, was Sean's very amiable, but he put his foot down.
He was like, we're not getting in door water or ice dispensing.
How many years ago was this? I mean the one that we sold in the house this year, it leaked.
have never had a problem with any of the indoor ice makers slash water dispensers.
That's nice.
I think the anyway, this is a great story.
I think that my parents did have some problems with theirs, but those were like some of the first refrigerators that had them.
yeah.
I haven't had any problems, but you know, whatever.
I get it.
Sometimes a refrigerator hurts you and you just can't.
He can't look back.
He's we will never have one.
All right.
Would you like to hear your trivia question for the week? I sure would.
All right, Brea.
This soundtrack was certified as platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America for selling or streaming.
the equivalent of one million units as of October the 8th.
The singers were made aware of this distinction while they were appearing on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon and he presented them with their platinum record plaque on the show.
Who are we talking about? Well, I would have to say the hunters.
The, yes, the ladies who were the voices.
Of the demon.
K-pop Demon Hunters.
K-pop Demon Hunters, yeah.
The album has gone platinum.
Oh, what's the name of the album? Just K-pop Demon K-pop Demon Hunters soundtrack.
Gotcha.
And so, the singers, their names are EJ, Audrey Nune, and Rae Ami.
And they sing, I assume it was live on Jimmy Fallon.
If they really were singing live, They deserve every accolade they get.
Really? They are incredible.
Nice.
They are really good singers.
I'm always really impressed by anybody who can sing and move around on a stage, and your voice still sounds good.
Like, how do you do that? That is someone with intense cardio workouts.
And like core strength? Yes.
Because how do you not make your voice wobble? I don't know.
I thought you were about to tell me.
No, I don't know.
What I was going to say is I'm impressed with people that can just sing live and sound amazing.
Right.
Because it doesn't happen all the time.
But yeah.
Yeah.
Like, oh my gosh, like that.
We keep talking about it.
People are like, is this the only concert you've ever seen?
But that Coldplay concert that we saw in the movie theater.
Yes.
He was running around.
I know.
And bouncing around.
And he was doing a damn like, I don't know, CrossFit routine up there on the stage and singing at the same time.
know.
I know.
I don't get it.
I think they just have to have, there's no way you can do that and not have a very intense cardio workout on the regular.
I mean, you just have to, you would have to.
Your lung capacity would have to be massive.
I mean, I can't even get out of damn shower and get dried off and dressed without being like, your watch tells you that.
Yeah, I can't put on tights without my watch being like, good job on your workout.
My all-time favorite stories.
Keep up the great work.
uh Telling you what, tights are the devil.
They are really hard to put on.
Oh my gosh.
Oh golly.
Anyway.
Oh, my sources for that were Instagram, The Tonight Show, and the BBC.
Oh.
The BBC of all places.
BBC.
The Beebs.
I do love the BBC.
Oh yeah.
Who doesn't? Well, we share that.
We do share that.
And what else are we going to share? Our shared histories.
Yes.
This is where we tell you, our DTH besties, the most interesting thing that we learned this week.
The most interesting search I had this week was about sleep paralysis.
Oh no.
And this is not, this show is not turning into, let's talk about Brea's kids.
Although we do talk about my kids a lot, but it just so happens that last week we talked about when to go because, know, oh, Caleb's super into that.
And then this week we're going to talk about sleep paralysis because, um, Two of my kids have sleep paralysis or have it.
Do you say that? Have experienced it? Experience it on the reg.
So, Peyton experiences it and Caleb.
So, my book ends, my oldest and youngest and em Peyton thinks it's really cool to come down to my room like every day and give me the sleep paralysis update.
Like I had another episode of sleep paralysis.
I had sleep paralysis again this morning.
And he just acts like it's not that big of a deal.
But Caleb says that it's terrifying.
he really struggles with it and it's not an okay thing for him.
Peyton's just like, it happened again.
So, I don't know.
I don't know if he's just had it for so long that he never even thought that that was weird.
And then he heard maybe Caleb talk about it and was like, oh, that's not what everybody.
Should I be worried about this? That's not how everybody wakes up every morning? Interesting.
So, sleep paralysis, have you ever had this? I don't think so.
Are you aware of it? Yeah.
mean, I think I do.
Yeah, I think so.
It's uh a parasomnia, which means an abnormal sleep behavior.
that occurs during transitions between sleep and wakefulness.
You're conscious but you're unable to move or speak.
And typically, it lasts from a few seconds to a few minutes, which would be terrible.
Peyton’s are always just a few seconds, he says.
It often occurs during REM sleep when the body is naturally paralyzed to prevent us acting out our dreams.
So,, you know, our body goes into this phase during REM sleep.
where you can't move or don't move much.
You can't smell in your sleep.
Have you noticed that? I don't think I ever thought about it.
Which is why it's so dangerous if your house catches on fire.
I feel like a fart has woken me up in the past.
Not to get too personal, not my own.
But I'm talking like a dog fart or maybe another human fart that might be in the vicinity.
I think it would have to be a very strong smell.
This is what I'm talking about.
So, that's why you have smoke detectors because, and that's why a lot of people die in fires when they're sleeping because you don't smell it until it's too late.
Okay.
So, maybe you don't smell that far until it's too late.
Too late.
It's in my mouth.
Oh gosh.
Anyway, the common symptoms are your inability to move or speak.
Despite being awake, hallucinations.
Oh no.
vivid and frightening.
Here's some examples of that.
Intruder hallucinations.
Sensing a threatening presence nearby.
Oh gosh.
Yeah.
Like Caleb has said that he's seen like figures in the corner of the room.
Oh geez.
So, I'm thinking it's like a continuation of a dream.
And your brain is still halfway in the dream and halfway awake.
um Chest pressure, feeling suffocated or pinned down like somebody's, you know, like on you and that's why you can't move.
Out of body sensations like floating or flying.
That wouldn't be too horrible.
um Although if you're feeling out of control, that would not feel great.
Yeah, no, no.
Like I have dreams where I'm in a tornado, like in a tornado.
What? And I'm like being like, you know, whirled around in the tornado and I can feel it in my stomach.
Oh my gosh.
Or I'll have dreams that I'm falling and I feel it.
And it's awful.
Oh my gosh.
It's really bad.
Anyway, full awareness during the episode is another common symptom, which can heighten your fear and anxiety.
So, you're fully aware, but you're feeling these things and weird things are happening.
I just think it would be awful.
Yes.
Here are some causes and risk factors.
So, this is what we've been working on with Peyton.
to try to prevent these from even happening.
Sleep deprivation or irregular sleep schedules can make this a problem, like shift work.
Sleeping on your back increases your risk.
Oh really? Which is interesting, isn't it? I wonder why that is.
don't know.
Mental health conditions like anxiety, PTSD, and bipolar disorder, substance use, alcohol, and certain medications.
like ADHD treatments or a genetic predisposition.
oh So, some of those don't apply to Peyton.
um He does have stress.
um A lot of times he gets pretty stressed out and he has some anxiety.
But I think it's mostly that he doesn't get enough sleep.
I think that he's not.
going to sleep when he goes to bed.
Even though there's nothing for him to do because his phone is turned off.
Anyway, the genetic predisposition thing is also interesting because, you know, two of my kids have it and not to get too personal about somebody else, but another DTH bestie of ours, one of my sisters, she has some sleep disorders or issues.
And I don't know if.
Sleep paralysis is one of them, but I know insomnia, sleepwalking, sleep talking.
um So, there might be a DNA component.
The only time I ever experienced anything like this is one time when we were camping.
Oh no.
We were in a camper, and it was the kind of camper that had like a fridge, like it had a kitchen and the table and chairs, like the dinette set, it was like a table with two booths on either side.
Well, it like converted into a bed.
And that's where I would sleep at night.
They would convert that into a bed and that's where I slept.
And one night, I think I was about 12 or 13, my mom got up in the middle of the night in her bra and panties and raided the fridge about 10 feet away from me.
Not even 10 feet.
It's probably three feet.
um And I was pretty sure she was doing a post-coital snack binge.
which made me freeze in horror, revulsion, and the need to keep her believing that I was still asleep.
And not witnessing something so intimate.
Like I was embarrassed for her, but I was also horrified for me.
And I was just like, oh my gosh.
And I knew that my dad was there, because he wasn't always there.
Because we would like camp all week long and he would be at home.
going to work, back and forth.
And then on the weekends, he would come and stay with us at the campground.
it was a weekend and I was like, oh my gosh, what is happening? But I don't think that was true sleep paralysis.
That was just me waking up and an awful thing being witnessed and just being like, oh my gosh, I can't move.
I can't move.
I can't breathe.
um Oh, and that unfortunate week that I tried that Metformin for weight loss.
Yes.
And I had those really realistic dreams and like hallucinations and I couldn't distinguish between dreams and reality.
And I kept thinking that the work dreams I was having had actually happened at work.
I can't believe that stuff messed you up so bad.
was so bad.
And I had a couple of episodes where I was trying to wake up, and I was aware of my surroundings, but I couldn't like claw my way out of sleep.
That's what it felt like.
Like I couldn't swim to the surface.
Oh gosh.
uh Anyway, it was terrible.
I just I'd rather be fat like.
Dealing with that and feeling like that is way worse than being fat.
Oh, I would imagine.
worse.
Like, it's fine.
I'm cool.
I love my body.
um So, anyway, so here's how they diagnose this.
They diagnose it through sleep history, questionnaires, or sleep studies.
And em it may be linked to narcolepsy if episodes are frequent or severe, which for those who don't know, narcolepsy is just like when you fall asleep.
in the middle of just anything.
You could just be driving and you...
it's not during your normal sleep time.
No, no.
It's during your working, your, your awake hours.
Yeah.
You're supposed to be awake.
There's no reason for you to be asleep.
And all of a sudden you're just conk out.
That'd be terrifying.
And you should seek medical advice if episodes are recurrent, cause daytime fatigue or emotional distress.
Prevention and management.
You can improve your sleep hygiene.
Get seven to nine hours of sleep nightly.
Caleb.
Maintain a consistent sleep schedule, even on weekends.
Avoid screens, caffeine, and alcohol before bed.
Peyton.
Alcoholic.
No, I'm just kidding.
I'm thinking screens.
Avoid sleeping on your back.
Manage your stress and treat any underlying conditions you may have like mental health or sleep disorders.
I don't understand the sleeping on the back.
wonder if it's like a blood flow thing or...
must be.
Or...
Like uh a breathing thing.
Maybe you're not...
I don't know.
Maybe you wake up more easily on your back.
So, you wake up in the middle of REM sleep when you normally wouldn't wake up in the middle of your REM sleep if you're on your side Or stomach or whatever I don't I don't know either um During an episode like there's no guaranteed way to stop an episode and everybody's gonna be different But you can focus on small movements like wiggling a finger or just trying to make some kind of small movement just to break that paralysis And then you can have some external stimuli like someone touching or speaking to you to help end the episode.
mean, Peyton, obviously he's up in his room alone, like Caleb could have Michaela, if she notices that he's having one of these episodes, she could, you know, like, um shake his shoulder or something like that.
That sounds terrible.
It is.
It's awful.
oh anyway.
Interesting.
Yeah, I've never experienced anything like that.
And I hope I never do.
You're a good sleeper.
Oh, you're a champion.
I love sleep.
I love it.
It's my favorite thing.
Can you imagine if something ruins sleep for you? Oh, it has.
Oh, you mean permanently? Oh.
Permanently.
Like farts.
Or a cat sitting on your face.
Yeah, cat sitting on my face and plugging its butthole into my nose.
Worst wake up ever.
Yeah, no, mean like permanently.
Yeah, no, permanently it would be job one to get that fixed.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I don't mess around with sleep.
After television days, All that sleep deprivation, I don't mess around with it anymore.
It's very, very important to me.
Well, it is very, very bad for your heart.
It's bad for lots of things.
To not get good sleep.
I have read that, oh, I think Clint even talked about this once that a constant sleep deprivation can lead to Alzheimer's.
So,, or just dementia in general.
So, mama, I sleep for my health.
Yeah.
I don't mess around with that.
Oh, Clint is a, he'll proselytize all day long about sleep.
He is, I mean, we're talking about a guy who has to get up at two o'clock in the morning.
Yeah.
And it sucks to go to bed at seven o'clock at night.
Yes, it does.
Or six or whatever.
mean, especially in the summertime when it's still light outside and your whole family's up still doing their own thing.
And it's like, he is so Disciplined about it.
He puts those earplugs in, and he goes to bed.
Yep Good for him and I'm just like man.
I just couldn't do it.
I'm just so undisciplined Well, what did you do during your television days? You had to I like sleep so much but I but at the same time I'm just so if I want to do something else besides sleeping like if I'm like last night for example, the game was on Yeah, you know it was a night game It was 10 o'clock by the time the game was over.
And then I sat up talking with Jackie and coloring until 1130.
Oh.
Yeah, no, I And I kept saying, I really should go to bed.
I really should go to bed.
And I wanted to, but at the same time, I wanted to also do what I was doing.
Right.
I'm just so bad about making myself do things that I don't want to do.
Oh, man.
And so yeah, so this morning, who was really tired? Me.
Me.
I was super tired.
Cause then when I went to bed, was like, well, I have to read.
You can't go to bed and not read.
So, I read for a while.
It was like 1230 by the time.
Oh my.
I put my book down and was like, you just need to go to sleep.
Of course I did take a big long nap during the Cowboys game.
Oh, that does not help.
But.
That does not help.
do it every Sunday too.
Oh my gosh, you do? Yeah, I'm so bad.
See, I'm undisciplined.
If I take a nap, it's all over for me.
It so messes up my sleep that night and I'm a grumpy bear and nobody wants that.
I don't even want that.
I don't like napping.
I always wake up grumpy.
Yeah, it's the halftime.
of the noon game, whatever game that is, I'm always like, half time nap time.
Wow, that's so early.
I know.
Oh my gosh.
And I'm like, oh, it'll just be during half time, 15 minutes, right? What? No.
Yeah.
Of course not.
No.
minute nap.
Right.
I wake up and it's fourth quarter.
Of course it is.
Now.
If you did only take a 15 minute nap, like get someone like set an alarm or get someone to wake you up, it would probably, you'd probably feel really good.
Yeah, but that would involve discipline.
No, I'm gonna lay there for two hours and then be like, I guess I'll get up and make dinner.
So, dumb.
Oh my.
That's my whole Sunday.
My sources were Harvard Health, Cleveland Clinic and Bibi’s Mind Palace.
 Oh crap.
All right.
I'm going to talk about George Washington's distillery.
Oh.
Somewhere, and it was probably the New York Times flashback quiz or something like that.
read that when George Washington retired from the presidency, he returned to Mount Vernon.
Yeah.
And was trying to find ways to make more money on the farm.
Okay.
That's where our story begins.
bet he had craft ice.
You he did.
You know what? We've talked about George Washington a lot on this podcast.
Have we? Yeah.
We talked about his death.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Okay, maybe just that.
Just that one time.
We're about to have two topics about George Washington on this two year long podcast.
I bet there have been other times.
All right.
Yeah.
Picture it.
I am.
It's 1797.
George Washington established a commercial whiskey distillery at Mount Vernon.
James Anderson, who was Washington's Scottish born farm manager, had distilling experience.
He was Scottish.
Oh, right.
He knows a little something about some whiskey.
Hells yeah.
So, he convinced Washington that distilling could be very lucrative.
So, it was his idea.
By 1799, two years later, the distillery had become one of the largest in America.
What? See, this is what you can do when you got money.
Washington Whishaw.
Money and time.
Yeah.
It produced nearly 11,000 gallons annually.
Oh my gosh.
This output was significantly higher than the average distillery of the time, which produced around 650 gallons a year.
Oh my gosh.
Cranking it out.
Washington's whiskey recipe, in case anybody was curious.
I am.
You're gonna make your own.
It was 60 % rye, 35 % corn, and 5 % malted barley.
The production process involved fermenting the grains in wooden mash tubs and distilling the mixture twice in copper pot stills heated by wood fires.
Unlike modern practices, his whiskey was not aged, and it was sold unaged in its clear form.
Katow! Well, that's not how I make it, but damn.
Fast fact.
The initial distilled whiskey that isn't aged and is in the clear form is called White Dog.
Really? Didn't know that.
I didn't even know that was a thing.
I didn't either.
I didn't either.
Much less that it had a name besides just knock you on your ass.
Like, ha ha.
Okay, this distillery was profitable, yielding over $7,500 in 1799.
In 2025, that would be a little over $260,000.
So, that's pretty good.
Because that wasn't the only thing happening on the farm.
He had lots of other things going.
This was just a new venture for him to make more money.
Right.
That's my next sentence.
It was one of the most profitable components of Mount Vernon.
Read your own stuff, The whiskey produced was sold locally in Alexandria and Richmond.
The original distillery ceased operations in 1814 and was eventually destroyed by fire.
Oh no.
No.
In 1999, Mount Vernon, initiated a long-term archaeological and documentary research program to reconstruct Washington's distillery.
The reconstruction was completed in 2007 and now operates as a working distillery producing small batch spirits using 18th century methods.
Visitors can tour the site and purchase the rye whiskey which is distilled in limited quantities and only available for purchase in person.
So, stay off the internet.
Don't go searching for white dog.
I already had my phone in my hand.
Washington's white dog.
It ain't purchasable online.
Oh man.
Now what I do want to say and point out is that his distillery was run by slave labor.
They had the worst parts of the job, which was, it was incredibly hot because all of these copper pots were heated by wood fire.
So, they were keeping the fire stoked.
They were basically doing all of the very hard demanding work.
And uh they were the main success.
They were why it was so successful because they were doing all the work.
Of course.
So, I just wanted to make sure that was a part of this story.
And it's all profit.
Absolutely.
 profit because you don't have to pay them.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My sources were Mount Vernon org and the New York Times.
Yeah, I was so into that story.
I know it's always but you know what really pisses me off the most though.
What is that? I? Listen to you tell that whole thing and not once that it even crossed my mind same until you brought it up and then I'm like, oh, of course.
Well, duh.
I did the same thing as I was reading about it and researching it, and someone brought it up.
Well, actually, I think it was Mount Vernon.
org.
They had mentioned it like one sentence.
They didn't go into it at all.
Like, you we don't wanna sully the story.
But I mean, of course it was.
I the exact same thing.
Oh, duh.
Oh my gosh.
would you like to run a distillery or? a microbrewery or like imagine yourself owning Tie & Timber.
Nope.
Is that something you would like to do ever? No.
No? Okay.
It's a dream of Sean's.
It's too much like cooking for a living.
I understand.
And then the peopling.
Well, there is a lot of peopling.
Yeah I mean.
If you got some good stuff.
Yeah I mean well that's the whole point right? You want to sell it to people, you want them to buy it, you want them to come to your place and return.
I just, Sean wants to open a microbrewery and run it on the North side.
North side.
he was going to call it something Fellows because you know Fellows Lake.
Oh, But it was like the I don't remember what he was going to call it.
Drinking Fellows.
Something.
It was like the Fun Fellows or.
Oh.
But anyway, that's he really would like to do that, and I told I said go get a job at a brewery, But I read breweries like microbreweries are kind of like on their way out Like they've reached a saturation point.
There's so many of them that people can't go to all of them All right and keep them in business and it's kind of like not as popular as it used to be.
Yeah Man, that's bad news for all the ones here.
There's so many.
Oh, you have some, But you know what, every time I drive by one, they're packed.
Yeah, they're packed.
Well, you know, this area is always about 10 years behind everything else.
That is very true.
So, I mean, I just watched K-Pop Demon Hunters.
I'm still wearing jellies, so we're good.
But was like my dream if I had all the money in the world.
Yeah.
I think I would open a coffee and bookshop.
Oh, definitely.
Have you and I talked about this or is it me and Holly? If there's well, I don't know if you have with Holly.
I Holly and I have talked about this too.
We've talked about it, but I definitely if I was going to do anything that had to do with like retail and peopling, it would be a bookstore.
It's gotta have coffee.
Okay.
If I'm gonna be a part of this, we have to have coffee too.
That's fine.
You do the coffee, I'll do the books.
There's a coffee and bookshop that's opened up in Lebanon.
You should look into that.
I saw an article about it and I didn't have time to read the whole thing, but it's two gals that have opened it.
Fun.
I can't remember what it was called.
Road trip.
Sorry ladies.
But anyway, was like, you're living my dream.
Next time I visit my seester, I'll have to go check it out.
Hmm.
Yeah, that is one of the things.
I've also always wanted to live above the bookstore.
Yes.
I don't know why.
Because it would be cool.
be a loft.
Right, but like I don't have the lifestyle or the life that would really like, that's a single person's thing.
Well, a single person with no children.
It's true.
mean, someday.
That sounded a lot darker than I meant for it to sound.
So, I'm just going to retract that.
It's never going to happen for you.
No.
Although we, I mean, it's not any darker than us talking about our adjoining townhouses.
Duplexes.
It's true.
It's true.
We've killed off our husbands lots of times.
uh It's okay.
All right.
You got to make plans for the future.
You can't just like leave it up to fate.
Like, well, what the hell am going to do now? You got to have some plans.
Yeah.
Even if they're loose.
Just saying.
I think I might also like to run a horse farm.
Oh, I think that sounds nice.
It's just everything I think about.
like oh that would be so nice or oh that that looks like it's great or whatever then I think about it's so much work and I'm such a lazy person.
I am so lazy.
just we had horses or a couple of horses when I was a kid and I that was like the greatest time of my life.
Oh.
And then dad sold them.
Oops.
Like without saying anything to anyone like I think We were at school oh and someone, he sold them and someone came and took them away and just all of a sudden all the horses were gone.
I was not happy.
I was not a happy camper.
Oh my gosh.
That's traumatic.
It was traumatic.
Yeah.
That's some trauma.
Thanks dad.
I can't wait to see all the ways that I'm traumatizing my children.
Alright, but what about this one? Whoa, what about it? Well, this is a quick listing of other searches from the past week that we didn't have time to discuss in this episode or we're just too damn boring.
You're boring! I sounded like you weren't sure.
Oh, you're boring.
Okay, here we go.
Okay.
Beth Thomas child abuse slash what happened to Beth Thomas's biological parents? Let's just start it off with the bang.
I don't even know who that is.
Well, if you look up this case, I just want to give a trigger warning.
It is horrible.
Anyway.
Okay.
Bruce Springsteen wife health slash Bruce Springsteen health issues.
Oh, no Yeah, I guess he had some health issues, but he's on the up-and-up and I don't know what's going on with his wife Okay, that just was something that came up secondary Tom Brady plastic surgery Clinton I are Positive that he's had plastic surgery And there's all kinds of speculation on the internet.
We just were like, I don't know casually speculating during a game because we were trying not to listen to his commentary because it's so terrible.
And I was like, man, he looks like he's had some work done.
And then I looked it up and lots of people be talking about it.
Oh, interesting.
But he won't confirm or deny it.
He just doesn't talk about it.
Don't you think the new Patriots quarterback looks like a little Tom Brady? No.
You don't think he looks like Tom Brady? Oh.
I do think that um the 49ers backup quarterback who used to be the Patriots quarterback, Mack Jones, I do think that he looks like a young Jerry Jones.
Okay.
You know, have you seen the picture of Jerry Jones, the Cowboys owner, ah when he was um taunting the Little Rock Five? ah No.
I didn't know he was a part of that.
it five? Was it five? I can't remember how many.
The African-American students who integrated Little Rock High School.
Yeah, there's a picture of him and he's part of the mob.
I didn't know that.
Not being friendly.
Anyway, he...
Mac Jones looks like young Jerry Jones.
And they have the same last name.
I'm just saying.
Hmm.
Lope child.
Conspiracy theory.
now I can't unsee it and...
Every time I see Mac Jones, I'm like, ah.
Oh, that's so interesting.
And he's playing now because, what's his face? Brock Purdy, 12 year old Brock Purdy, he's hurt.
So, moving on, neighbor's movie.
Here's another football search, Mark Sanchez.
Oh, my word.
What a train wreck.
I'm sorry, it's not funny, but it is kind of funny.
Herb Baumeister.
Baumeister? He'd be serial killer.
Ellie Visot.
Jerry Jones middle finger incident.
during the Jets game.
They showed him.
And there's video on the interwebs, you can see this.
And he flips the bird in his booth or whatever, his special skybox.
He flips the bird to the crowd, like to some jeering Jets fans or whatever.
And he is in trouble with the NFL for that.
But he's claiming that he meant to do a thumbs up.
And he was pointing, he was pointing and he meant to do a thumbs up and then his middle finger stuck out kind of like Jackie used to point with her middle finger all the time and it would embarrass us.
I don't know.
At first I thought that is the lamest excuse ever, but then I watched the video and I was like, he is a senile old man.
I think it really is, I think it's true.
It's so stupid, it's true.
Anyway, it's hilarious.
Well, he's got enough money to pay the fine.
So, just pay it and let's move on.
Right.
JJ.
No, he's not going to.
He's contesting it.
Of course.
Strong startle reflex.
Oh, that's interesting search.
No oysters in months with no are.
You're not supposed to eat oysters if there's no are in the month.
Because.
Is that a when to go thing? No.
It's a thing, it has something to do with their life cycle and.
Shut up! And their chewy and not as good.
Oh my gosh! was making an assumption it was something stupid to do with the zodiac or something dumb.
so, it's like a legit thing.
Supposedly.
Okay.
I don't know.
It sounds like an old wives tale to me, but whatever.
Hormones meets alcohol related pneumonia.
Ray Winstone.
Defending Jacob and American marriage on Netflix.
You know what your searches your But What About This One? We're not boring I called a few that were not boring to use in case I have all boring one week understood Wow All right.
Are you ready for mine? I am What is Ruben stuttered up to? uh What we've all been wondering.
He's singing.
Of course.
uh Fun the band.
What happened to them? We are young.
They're not around anymore.
Are Seth McFarland and Luke McFarland related? oh No.
oh.
Quiznos, Springfield, Missouri.
Do you know I've never eaten at a Quiznos? Oh.
I saw a Quiznos commercial and I was like, there's no Quiznos left in Springfield.
I've never eaten at one.
Are they all gone? Yeah.
From here? Yeah.
We've got so many sub shops.
It's ridiculous.
417 Moth Market.
Fall Festivals.
Absolutely Fabulous Clips.
I needed to just cheer myself up.
So, funny.
I just had to, and it worked.
Greek Belly Menu.
Yum.
Oh my gosh, Greek Belly is so good.
Chief Schedule.
Hy-Vee Sushi Platters.
Listen, I've discovered.
They are fresh.
I can call ahead to Hy-Vee.
And they can make me a big-ass sushi platter.
I just pick it up and go home.
Yeah, it's a thing.
And it's not that expensive.
I'm sure cheaper than ordering it from oh somewhere and having it delivered.
It's less than half.
And it's a platter.
That is a warm tip.
Thank you.
Yeah, it is.
You're welcome.
How old is King Charles? 76.
How old would Princess Diana be if she was alive? 64.
What is a volta dance? When was the first pipe organ built? How old is Bjork? She'll be 60 in November.
Dang.
She's still out there doing her thing.
I mean, 60's young, right? It is.
Am I right? It seems like Bjork's been around forever.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
uh Habitat for Humanity Restore Accepted Items List.
And why is my dog going crazy around bedtime? oh Every now and then.
He's getting the zoomies.
Indy loses her mind.
yeah.
Loses her mind.
And she just starts, why don't you, she just goes crazy at bedtime.
It's weird.
I wonder if she's trying to stay awake like little kids do.
The research I found was like.
final burst of energy before bedtime or she's bored and you know like she didn't have enough stimulation during the day and so now you know like there were lots of options but she's a weirdo sometimes.
your dogs zoom around the house though that's a thing because they're humongous.
That's why I was looking it up because it gets dangerous like Sean and I have to grab pillows and blankets and like protect ourselves.
 It's like Marmaduke.
Yes it is.
Just legs everywhere.
And she's a head butter.
One of her favorite things is if you're walking down the hall she'll come up behind you and just ram your butt with her head.
Oh yes.
And tries to herd you along especially to the kitchen where there might be food.
Right.
But she likes to ram you with her head.
you gotta look out.
Remember the character from He-Man? Ram, Ram something, but he would turn into like a battering ram.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
That's her.
That's her.
Wow.
I haven't thought about that for 30 years.
You're welcome.
Damn.
You'll probably have some weird dream about it now.
I will.
I definitely will.
For sure.
Any shout outs? No.
Okay.
I was thinking though, it might be nice if people wanted to shout people out.
Oh yeah.
And they just emailed us.
They could email us.
And they could say like something encouraging or they could even shout themselves out like, Hey, I did this thing today and it might not sound like a big deal, but it was a big deal to me.
Yes.
It doesn't have to be a big deal.
Anything's a big deal.
I feel like anything we can do to encourage each other and be positive is just amazing.
That's right.
So, yeah.
Email us those things.
How would they do that? Delete this history podcast at gmail.com.
It's so easy.
It is so easy.
And maybe Cara will put some stuff on Instagram about, um I don't know, what were you talking about that you would show? Oh, your bathroom.
Oh yeah.
I can do some before and afters.
On the instas at dthgal. GALS.
There's two of us.
We do seem like one.
We are one brain.
That's true.
But there's two.
Rate and review us.
Oh gosh, yes please.
Just take, it just takes a second.
Yeah.
Like right there, you could have done it just now in that silence that we just had.
You could have rated and reviewed us.
Note to Brea, do not edit out the silence.
And tell your friends and engage with us on social media.
Yes.
If we are there.
If we're there.
But tell your friends for sure.
Absolutely. Come on, you know you want to.
We've been doing this for two years.
And then you'll have somebody to talk to about this crazy, stupid stuff we talk about.
Oh my gosh, did you guys hear the latest episode of Delete This History? They are crazy.
They won't stop talking about George Washington.
Oh my gosh, I do have a shout out.
What? um Heather today, uh DTHBC slash sister, she.
texted me and said, it was so good to hear you guys back.
Cause our first episode back after hiatus dropped today.
Yes it did.
And she listened to it right away.
She must have like some kind of alert.
Cause I'm sure everybody else has given up.
like, oh, they're never going to make any episodes.
I went through my contact list, and I sent it to all the people that I know.
You're so smart.
Yes.
I, the people that I know listen, I sent it to them.
And I got lots of reactions like people like I got a heart emojis and uh exclamation points and so yeah.
Yeah, I'll have to do that for sure.
You could also DTH besties do that with people that you know.
That's right.
It's so easy to just send an episode.
Yeah, just from your whatever your podcast app is.
Yeah, there's a little share thingy and you can share.
Yes, just hit your whole contact list.
Make it easy.
Really piss everybody off.
What the hell is this?  All of a sudden, you're not getting any more responses like you've been blocked.
But you know what? People that you know, they want to know what the fuck is Kraft Ice to.
Absolutely. Come on.
They might want some.
Yeah, they'll be like, what's wrong with these people that they think that this is not useful? They need Kraft Ice for their white dog.
 Name of the episode.
Wow, Cara, you're doing all the work for us today.
You're welcome.
All right, well now I gotta go delete my history.
I also need to delete mine because it's scary.
Okay.
What should the cheese bags do? They should stay fresh.
Okay.
Buh-bye.
Buh-bye.
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