[singing] What was that? [laughing] 
West Wing theme song! 
Well...it gave me chills! But not for the reason you think.
[podcast theme song]
Welcome to episode 70 of Delete This History, a podcast by two besties of a certain age searching for answers.
We are your hosts, Cara Burch and Brea Brown.
I almost forgot the name of the podcast.
Did you? Yep, cause I stopped reading it.
I started looking down and I was like, what's this podcast called? Wow.
Hello.
Okay, that's happening.
Good start, good start.
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I forgot the name of one of my favorite comedians last episode, so.
It's all right.
Thank God for editing.
We're gonna be okay.
I guess so, I don't know.
Some days I really wonder.
Yeah, me too.
But then I'm just like, well, I can't do anything about it, so bye-ee.
Yep.
And if this is the beginning of the end? Yeah.
Whatever.
At least I'll be oblivious.
Yeah, you won't even know.
You won't care.
Yeah.
You just be like, who are you? I don't care.
Just change my diaper.
Do you have a diaper? 
I'm going to my bookmarks right now.
Let's do it.
OK.
So, it's been really cold.
I've also had back issues, so I've been sitting very still for a few days.
So, my bookmarks are two television shows.
But I want to remind our listeners, I know that we have a lot of TV shows and movies as bookmarks.
But we went to school for TV and movies.
So, are you feeling defensive? It's like in our blood.
Well, I feel like that like sometimes we'll go well our bookmarks are tv shows again So, i'm just reminding y'all.
Yeah, it is our Our field of study it was interest.
Yes.
That's where our interests led us to that.
So, that is why you know Yeah, they are typically TV shows or books which I don't have a problem with.
Tell me about your shows.
Tell me about your books.
Yeah, well, my interest nowadays is just sitting on my ass.
Well, that too.
So, that's why mine are books and TV shows and games and food.
That's why mine are too.
It's okay, you know what? You do you.
Body positivity.
That's right.
Alright, here's my first bookmark.
But we've talked about this one before.
Oh, happily.
But I'm confirming it because you brought it up.
Okay.
St.
Dennis Medical.
Oh, yes.
Oh my gosh.
You finally started watching it? So, I had recorded 10 episodes.
Yeah.
And Sean and I, over the period of like three days, we've gotten through those 10 episodes.
They're just like 24 minutes.
Right.
You know, they're super short.
Yeah, they're sitcoms.
They're sitcoms.
It's real.
It's really funny.
Oh my gosh.
I love it.
So, it has a similar formula as the office.
Yep.
But the employees in this one are a little more happy and they enjoy their job a little bit more than they did in the office.
And I was so I've been comparing this in my brain for the last couple of days.
And the office was kind of you know, muted colors and it was even darker, like literally the lighting was lower.
Yeah.
St. Dennis, it's bright and cheerful.
The scrubs are bright colors.
The hospital is bright.
So, it has a different feel to it, but it's that formula.
And there's a Michael Scott, but she is hilarious.
Oh my gosh.
Let's see, I have to, I never can remember her name.
Wendy McLendon Covey.
That's her real name.
In the show, I don't remember what her name is in the show.
Oh my gosh.
It's just, it's.
gone.
Because I'm old.
But she's the Michael Scott, she's the boss.
Yeah.
And she's the administrator and she's so hilarious.
Funny.
I love her.
I love her in everything she's in.
Yes.
So, I can't, in my, you know, you kind of hated Michael Scott a little bit, like you loved hated him.
I just love her because I can't hate her.
I know.
I just love her.
But I think what a nightmare to work for that person.
Oh she would be awful.
She's just always going, going.
And yeah, and she's always putting a spin on something.
Yes.
There's always a spin.
Have you seen the episode where she's come? She has lost the executor of her estate.
And she's trying.
Oh, my God.
I thought about you.
I thought about you because you had asked me, would you be interested in being an executor? And I said, hell no.
No, no, you were nicer about it than that.
I appreciate you.
Oh, that's right.
She was so nice.
I said, but I think probably someone in your family should do it.
After going through what I've seen my brother go through with my mom's estate.
No.
Yeah.
And now you know.
I know.
I get it.
Now that, you know, Sean's had to do it.
Yes.
There's a lot to it.
So, choose wisely.
Anyway, that was a good episode.
It was a very good episode, but I was stressed out.
I was stressed out.
The whole episode.
It's like, no, don't do it.
Oh my gosh.
And then David Allen Greer is in it, and he's hilarious.
And I didn't recognize him at first.
I was like, I know him.
But he has shaved his head.
Yeah.
And so then it clicked.
I was like, oh my gosh.
That's who that is.
All those episodes of In Living Color.
He is hilarious in this.
But the whole ensemble is good.
There's good chemistry, it's a funny show, watch it.
I really hope it's renewed.
My next bookmark is also a TV show.
It's a mini series called 1883, and it stars Tim McGraw, Faith Hill, Sam Elliott, and Isabelle May.
And this is the origin story to the Dutton family in Yellowstone.
Yes.
I have watched Yellowstone up to a certain point.
They switched.
the streaming service that it was on.
So, Sean and I have not seen like maybe the last couple of seasons.
Right.
But we have watched 1923, which is with Helen Mirren and Harrison Ford.
My boyfriend.
It's excellent.
Yeah.
And what is today? So, in a few days, the next season of that is available and we are so stoked.
Now, what is that on? We're watching that on Paramount.
Paramount Plus.
Yes, yes.
Oh my gosh, Paramount Plus, your platform sucks.
Get a better platform.
Oh really? It's terrible.
Just saying.
Also, Netflix, I don't like your new platform.
It's too much like Prime.
Stop trying to be a copycat.
Go back to the way you were.
Things were fine.
Moving on.
Tom Hanks and his wife are also in 1883.
Oh, are they? They make cameos.
Rita Wilson? Rita Wilson.
Thank you.
They're not in the same episode.
They're not together as a couple.
Like they just, he shows up as a Civil War, like he's a high ranking Civil War military dude.
And she is a, either she owns it or is just running a general store.
And completely separate episodes.
And these are the only two times you see them.
So, they're fans of the show.
Apparently.
And they were like, hey, we would love to be on your show.
And they're like, well, let's see if we could find some characters.
It was, and they're awesome.
Like Tom Hanks is in it maybe five minutes, maybe.
Yeah, just some cameos.
Rita Wilson is in it much longer than that.
And she is hilarious.
I love her.
Basically, she gets drunk with one of the main characters and it is a riot.
Oh.
1883.
So, I've watched my point here is I've watched 1883, 1923 and Yellowstone.
1883 is my favorite.
Yeah, it is so good.
You've seen it.
No.
Oh, it.
Oh, wait, that's the prequel.
It's yes.
The origin story.
Tim McGraw and Faith Hill.
Yes, I have seen that one.
I like that one so much because I was not expecting it to be narrated by an 18 year old woman.
Yes.
And it was I just enjoyed that so much.
Yeah, it's intense.
It's intense.
But it kind of reminded me of like Little House on the Prairie.
Yes, so the premise is the Dutton family is on the Oregon Trail.
Spoiler alert, some people die of dysentery.
Ha ha I just keep waiting for this guy to run out of ideas and plot lines and excellent scripts, but he just keeps coming up with stuff.
I mean this guy, he was in 1883.
Did you know that? No.
He was in two episodes and he showed up and helped save the day.
They were, I think they were under attack by some horse thieves.
These bad Oh yeah, yeah.
Bad guys.
Yes, I do remember that.
And I think he showed up and helped save them.
Yes.
And I loved his accent.
I talked like Taylor Sheridan for days.
That was so good.
Anyway, that is an excellent show.
I highly recommend it.
Even if you just watch that show, you don't have to watch the other ones to enjoy this mini series.
Oh no, you can watch them.
It's freestanding.
Yeah.
So, anyway, that was my other recommendation.
And do you remember, did you ever watch Wind River, that movie with Jeremy Renner? Okay, shoot.
You should watch that.
I just discovered today that Taylor Sheridan was, I think you created, wrote, directed that movie, which is why it's an excellent movie.
Oh, okay.
Wind River.
Wind River.
Got it.
It's very good.
So, there you go.
Three recommendations.
Damn.
Oh my.
I got two.
Okay.
My first one is a TV show.
It's called Sex Education.
Oh yeah.
It's a British dramedy about a couple of high school kids in England who decide to run an underground sex therapy ring for money.
Yes.
And it is hilarious.
And the guy, the teenage boy, his mom is played by Gillian Anderson.
Yes.
And she's a sex therapist.
Yes.
And that's how he knows all of this information.
And he's just kind of absorbed all this.
She doesn't have very.
Good boundaries.
Yes.
So, he's absorbed all this knowledge by hearing her, because he listens sometimes against his vent to her sex therapy sessions with her clients.
And of course she's always trying to therapize him and whatever.
But the young actors are the stars, they're phenomenal.
It is just such a good cast.
Okay.
And it is funny.
Okay.
But also a little heartbreaking sometimes.
Okay.
But mostly funny.
And it's British? Yes.
Okay.
It has, you know, Gillian Anderson's in there.
There's so many familiar faces.
But a lot of like these young people I had never heard of or seen in anything else.
And then Hannah Waddingham from Ted Lasso, she's in it.
I just love her.
Oh, I wanna watch Ted Lasso.
Oh.
should do it.
Anyway, great show.
Okay.
And I have been watching it on...
Netflix? I think.
Okay.
I think it's been on Netflix.
Okay, then I also have a podcast recommendation.
Okay.
Betwixt the Sheets.
Oh.
It's a podcast hosted by Kate Lister, a sex historian.
Oh, that's interesting.
Who interviews other sex and cultural experts about everything related to sexuality throughout the ages.
So, there was an episode about red lipstick that was very interesting.
Pompei brothels was an episode.
And when was the first boob job was another episode.
Do you know when that was? Do you remember? I was in the middle of listening to it on the way to work.
And then I got to work and I had to stop.
I understand.
So,, yeah.
Sorry.
One of those things.
We'll just have to listen.
Yeah.
And just all kinds of interesting things about sex roles sometimes, but also sometimes about sex, and sometimes about like, why are there so many penises in medieval art? You know, things like that.
That is so interesting.
Yeah.
And what's it called? The Twixt.
The Twixt the Sheets
Okay.
Fun.
I highly recommend.
That's it.
Very good.
Well, I'm not here to talk about sex.
No, and that's all you're talking about.
I don't know.
Sex, sex, sex.
Penises, willies, boobs, vaginas.
Red lipstick.
We are here, however, to talk about our internet search histories with our DTH besties.
Yeah.
And for that we turn to you what, Brea? The reading of the lists.
That's correct.
In this segment we tell you our top three most interesting, funniest, or most successful internet searches of the week in list form.
Oh yeah.
It's even Steven Week.
So, here is my list of three.
Number one.
Again, from...
Conclave.
What is the Holy See? Oh yeah.
Number two, John, it's time guys, time for a John and Carrie Halford update.
Oh yes.
Number three, origin of the diner.
The diner.
It's a hot take.
I know everyone's been wondering, where did the diner come from? Where did the diner come from? Okay.
What are your...
My searches this week are number one, Swiss cheese effect.
Okay.
Number two, the Peter principle.
Does this have to do with sex again? No.
Okay.
Does sound like it though.
Number three, shack it.
Shack it? All right.
I'm intrigued.
So, much so that I'd like to play a game.
Okay.
Would you like to call it...
Ah! Search me! Yes, let's call it that.
Okay.
So, I'm gonna pose a question to you.
You can pose a question to me and we'll see if she can answer based only on the reading of the list.
Excellent, okay.
I'm happy to say that I'm coming up from behind.
Brea still has five points, but I now have four.
Oh yeah.
Can you hear my foot? I really- My footsteps.
I do.
I really bit the big one.
Episode 69, she fell on her face.
I did and Cara just surged.
I did.
Okay.
Are you ready? Yeah.
Which of my searches again came from a dream about me sitting in a diner with Tom Hanks? The origin of the diner? You got it! You know, that's uh, that was kind of a softball.
Well, but I'll take it.
Okay.
So, Bri now has six points.
Yeah.
All right.
Yes.
The origin of the diner.
I wasn't very creative with that one.
The concept began in 1872.
Whoa, whoa, wait, wait.
What? Are you going to talk about your dream? That's really all there was to it.
I was in a diner.
I was having a cup of coffee, and Tom Hanks was sitting across from me, and we were just chit chatting away.
Chit chatting, yeah.
Like you do.
Like you do, talking about typewriters.
Yeah, definitely.
I'm jealous.
How come you didn't invite me to sit with you? I think you were busy.
Oh, okay.
I'll check with you next time.
Okay.
The concept of the diner began in 1872 with Walter Scott in Providence, Rhode Island.
He sold food from a horse-drawn wagon to workers.
and those were called lunch wagons.
And they provided quick and affordable meals catered to the working class.
As demand grew for these mobile eateries, they transitioned into stationary, prefabricated structures allowing for more permanent locations and increased seating.
The prefab structures were called dining cars and designed to be shippable on trains.
Oh, really? They often resembled actual train cars.
Yes.
The 1920s and 30s brought the influence of art deco and streamlined modern design, giving diners their distinctive aesthetic.
In the golden age after the World War II, diners experienced a boom in popularity.
They became social hubs offering comfort food and welcoming atmosphere.
The rise of the automobile and the development of highways further fueled their growth and they became popular stops for travelers.
One of the most boring searches I've ever had.
Really? Yeah, I think so.
Don't you think? I mean, that's kind of like.
Well, I just like picturing diners while you were describing them.
Oh, I could tell you were imagining.
I really love a good diner.
Now, I do, too.
And I do think it's interesting that they created these diners to put on train cars and ship them to locations and they looked like train cars.
And that's why they look like train cars.
Exactly.
You know, I always think of the Road to Perdition, that movie with Jude Law.
I've never seen that movie.
And his long gross fingernails and he's sitting in a diner that looks like a train car.
I just that just flashed into my head.
Oh, well, you're welcome.
I believe that's a Tom Hanks movie as well.
Yes, it is.
And I do want to see that, but I never have.
It's an older one.
Yeah.
You got a point.
You're now at six.
Excellent.
I can't catch you this week.
What a relief.
OK.
Oh, wait.
Would you want to know my sources? I do.
The New York Times.
Yeah.
atlasobscura.com, rest and ctatrains.
org.
The diner in Back to the Future is awesome.
Oh yes.
It's a memorable one.
Yeah.
There's also a diner on ER that they all go across the street to that diner.
It looks like a train car.
Yeah.
I love that one.
Oh, Monica worked at a diner on friends.
Remember that? And she had to wear roller skates and lip sync.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
That was amazing.
That's her.
Didn't she have like her sweater stuffed? Yes.
She had fake boobs.
Yeah.
And she had to wear a wig.
Yeah.
and the things you do.
Oh my gosh.
OK, your question today is, what fashion portmanteau had me embarrassingly stumped as to what it could possibly be while I was shopping for a classy coat for my husband? For those playing at home, your choices are the Swiss cheese effect, the Peter principle, or shack it.
I'm gonna have to go with shack it.
Yes.
Oh yes.
Point for Cara.
Now you're into fashion.
I like it.
You like it.
Are you familiar with this word? No.
Okay, now never having heard it before though, can you figure out what two articles of clothing make a shack it? Would it be a shawl and a jacket? Oh, you're close.
Oh, can't they give another S word? Uh, shh.
Shhh.
I don't know.
Shirt.
Oh! You were all there except for the T.
I was thinking of outer, outerwear.
Uh-huh.
A shirt.
A shirt and a jacket.
All right.
So, basically, it's a jacket that looks like a long button-up shirt.
So, it might have a little bit more like a fleece lining on the inside.
Okay.
But they've been around forever.
Like people have used like flannel shirts.
as a jacket.
Sean used to do that all the time.
Yeah.
I'm not impressed.
Why do we have to call it, why do we have to give it a stupid name? Look at my shacket.
I don't like that word either.
I don't either.
I'm gonna punch somebody in the face.
You know what? That's what Jackie needs, a shacket.
Oh my Lord, you're right.
I told her she needed a card again.
Yes.
And she was like, oh yeah.
And I said, but I'm not buying you one cause you will never wear it.
because she never wears any of the clothes I buy her.
If you buy me clothes, I'll wear them.
I know.
Finally get a daughter.
She won't even wear clothes that I buy.
She wears the same clothes every single day.
That's just the life, I guess.
So, yeah, that's it.
I was like, we've always had these and there's no need to have a special name for it.
You're right.
Although I do like a good portmanteau.
I know, who doesn't? I mean.
By the way, the search continues for Clint's nice coat.
Okay.
Is there a specific reason? Well.
He just needs one.
He has so many like pullovers or jackets or coats that have like his company name on them.
Oh yes.
You know, so he's always worked a job where he's sometimes outside, sometimes inside.
So, he's always had to have like a coat.
Yes.
And they're always provided by the company as part of the uniform.
I gotcha.
He's got all these coats that have logos.
He's got a bimbo coat, which I love, because it says that he's a bimbo.
But he went to the eye doctor this week.
Yes.
And he's like, I don't want to look like I'm going to work.
Yes.
I would like to have something that looks a little bit nicer.
And it's just nice to wear clothes that aren't your work clothes when you're not at work.
Correct.
I enjoy that.
Me too.
I don't have to wear my work clothes.
Right.
So, I was looking and I looked on Old Navy, Men's Warehouse, and Land's End just to get a good price range.
Yeah.
And he found one at men's warehouse that he really likes.
It's a pea coat.
Oh yes.
It's super nice.
And it's gonna look good on him.
It's gray and it'll look really good.
And I was like, let me just get it for you.
And he said, no, I gotta try it on.
Okay.
And I said, what? And he said, coats are very like particular.
A coat size is not the same as the size that you wear.
Yes, he wants to be able to move around.
Correct.
And having bought many, many coats online, only to get them and they are unwearable because they're uncomfortable, I can't really argue with them.
But I was frustrated because I wanted to get that coat.
I wanted that dopamine hit of hitting bye and knowing that it was coming.
Yes.
But no.
The coat I have right now, am I wearing it? Yes.
I got it from L.
L.
Bean.
I have never shopped L.
L.
Bean in my life because it's so expensive.
But I needed and wanted a coat, a good coat this year.
I was like dang it, I have limped along with crappy coats.
So, I got online.
They were on sale, the ones I was looking at.
And so I just went for it.
It is the best coat I have ever owned ever.
It is warm.
I can move around in it.
It is warm.
It is warm.
It fits.
Like it is awesome.
Yeah.
And I told Sean, I said this is what happens when you decide to spend money on something good money on a good object.
I will probably have this coat for years and years.
Yeah.
It's your forever coat.
It's my forever coat.
It's your sole coat.
And then when it becomes the coat that I can't wear out in public anymore, it's going to become my crap coat.
Like you go out, you work in the yard, you take the dogs for a walk.
It's going to be the disgusting coat.
Right.
Yeah.
She will be with me forever.
Pladdy.
Pladdy? That's her name.
I love it.
Well, good.
I'm glad you're getting him a good coat cause it does feel nice.
Yeah.
And he'll look so nice in it.
Absolutely.
I'm glad that he's growing up and wants to have grown up big boy clothes.
Not just a hoodies and pullovers and, you know, the clothes we've worn our whole lives.
Yes.
As poor, poor people.
We're not poor anymore.
We need to stop acting like it.
Spend those bucks.
I mean, we're not like rich either.
I don't want to give anyone the wrong idea.
You're not a blue sky.
No.
But you know we're not we're not living paycheck to paycheck and like you know eating ramen noodles.
Get with it.
Get a new coat.
All right so uh I didn't really pull away because you got a point too.
I did you are still one point ahead.
Yes.
But I will smash your lead eventually.
Need to get tougher on those questions.
That's right.
That one was a more than a softball.
It was like a kickball.
A deflated kickball.
It's caved in on one side.
Oh, gosh.
All right.
Mm hmm.
Are you ready to talk about some shared history? Of course.
Yay.
That's what we're here for.
Because that's the segment we're at.
Yeah.
It's called shared history.
Uh huh.
We're going to tell our DTH besties what we searched this week, why we searched it, and what we learned.
If anything at all.
Yeah.
I'm about to teach you what John and Carrie Hulford are up against.
Oh man.
I'm dying to know.
I was thinking about this the other day.
You were? In the shower.
where I do all my best thinking.
That's super weird.
Yeah, uh-huh.
I mean, not weird that you do your best thinking in the shower.
It's weird that you were thinking about these people in your shower.
Right.
Yeah, I don't know what made me think of it.
But I was like, I wonder what's going on with those people.
Well, then I, you know, washed my hair.
Yeah.
Conditioned.
Yeah.
Washed my body.
Yeah.
Got out.
Mm-hmm.completely forgot I had ever wondered what's happening with these people.
John and Carrie stayed in the shower.
They did.
I know.
I do the same thing all the time.
I'm like, you know what? I should blah, blah and blah, blah.
Yeah.
And then it doesn't, I don't think of it again until I am back in the shower.
I swear I need some kind of marker to write on the wall.
Yeah, yeah.
Be like, I'll do this and this.
As a refresher for y'all that don't remember who John and Carrie are.
Or maybe you're doing this all wrong and you're listening backwards.
First episode with us.
Yeah, if it is.
Welcome.
Hi, friend.
You're about to be a bestie and you won't be sorry.
That's right.
John and Carrie are the couple that owned the return to nature funeral home in Colorado.
It's supposed to be a more natural way to process your loved ones after they pass without all the chemicals.
190 bodies were found in various states of decomposition within their funeral home.
sometime in 2024.
And the only reason the police found it was because the neighbors were starting to complain about the smell.
It was terrible.
And it turned out that they were giving fake ashes to grieving families and not processing the bodies in the way that they said they would.
And they fraudulently obtained government assistance because this was happening during COVID as well.
Oh yeah.
Yes.
I always forget that.
Oh, it's so bad.
There's so these people.
I always forget that part of it.
It's terrible.
So, here's the update.
In state court, John and Carrie have actually pleaded guilty to 190 counts of abuse of a corpse.
Thank God.
They admitted to not properly cremating or storing the bodies.
The sentencing for the state charges is set for April 18 of 2025.
and they could each face 20 years in prison for that guilty plea.
Gosh.
Um, they were ordered by this judge, the state judge, to pay $950 million to the families of the loved ones whose remains were mishandled.
Now of course they're not going to be able to pay this.
No.
But I'm assuming the judge was just trying to make a point in that you do this heinous thing.
Yeah.
We're gonna come down on you.
All right, in federal court, they have also pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud.
Now, they were charged originally with 14 counts to commit wire fraud, but the other 13 have been dismissed as part of their plea agreement.
So, they're each only going to plead one count.
The federal charges involve defrauding customers and misusing nearly $900,000 in pandemic relief funds that they spent on personal expenses, luxury trips, and items.
Yeah, like cars and stuff.
Yeah, ridiculous.
Their sentencing for the federal charges is scheduled for March of 2025.
And as part of the federal plea agreement, prosecutors cannot request more than 15 years in prison.
So,, potentially 35 years in jail, which to me is not nearly long enough.
So, they would run consecutively instead of concurrently.
I would hope so, but I cannot confirm that.
But yeah, they will have separate sentencing.
for state and federal charges.
Horrible.
Yeah.
Horrible, horrible, horrible.
Last I checked, I think they had been able to identify all of the remains and notified everybody.
Oh, good.
I believe that is the case at this point.
And that the EPA has cleaned up that site.
Oh, right, cause we were talking about what a job.
Yes, it has been demolished and cleaned up.
Oh.
There is so much to this story that is so disturbing.
Oh my goodness.
Anyway, I will keep you all updated.
Okay.
Because March and April are right around the corner.
Oh yes they are.
Thank god.
My sources for that were pbs.
org, cbs.
org, or cbsnews.com, excuse me, apnews.com, and the Colorado Sun.
All right.
Would you like to talk about something a little bit? more cheerful? Yes please.
Kind of.
Sort of.
I don't know maybe the Peter Principle was in play here.
Oh.
With these two.
Okay.
Don't know.
I'm listening.
I'm officially obsessed with principles and effects and social theory.
Okay.
Because that's what they talk about so much on cautionary tales and there's always a name for something or there's always like a certain theory And it's usually a visual type of thing that helps you see what the actual problem is.
This is not necessarily that way.
This is called the Peter Principle.
It's named after the psychologist, I think he was.
I believe he was a business management theorist.
Dr.
Lawrence J.
Peter, 1969.
He coined this.
It's a concept, the Peter Principle, in management theory that states that employees tend to rise to their quote unquote level of incompetence.
Here's what he means.
When employees do well in their current role, they're often promoted to higher roles.
This promotion process continues until they reach a position where they are no longer competent because the skills required for that role are different from the skills that made them successful in their previous role or roles.
As a result, organizations can end up with a lot of employees who are not particularly good at their jobs because they've been promoted past the level of their actual competence.
Okay.
So, once you get higher up into these hierarchical organizations you have less and less competent people because what they were good at was a completely different role first of all usually.
than what management is.
But management is the next step.
As a result, organizations can end up with a lot of employees who are not particularly good at their jobs because they've been promoted past the level of their actual competence.
Yes.
So, we've got a lot of these companies or organizations that are top heavy with incompetent people.
Try not to think too much about that.
It is very overwhelming to think about.
Yeah, it's because you want to think that someone smarter than you is in charge.
Yes.
And someone who knows what they're doing is in charge.
Yes.
Because otherwise, what are we doing? I'm trying to hide constantly that I'm incompetent.
Now that's imposter syndrome.
Yes.
So, I automatically assume other people are really good and I'm a dumbass.
Like, nobody.
knows yet that I am not doing this job well.
But how did, I mean.
It's so stupid.
Cause I know.
I almost just said, but how did you get to where you are if you're a dumb ass, but.
Yeah.
But you haven't really been promoted into that position.
You earned that position.
Yeah, that's true.
Like you applied for that job and got that job.
And you weren't promoted.
just because, oh hey, you've done a great job at this, now let's give you a better job.
My admin assistant jobs have gotten steadily more high ranking.
Correct.
And yes, I know I am good at my job.
Yes.
I know that I am, but I still feel like I can always do better.
I think most people who are good at their jobs do feel that way though.
I think you have to start worrying when you think that everything's fine and whatever.
You don't need to learn anymore and you don't need to grow anymore because you've already you already know everything.
I think that's when you need to start worrying.
That's an yeah that's probably true.
Yeah yeah yeah.
But the people who feel that way and think that way don't ever worry about stuff like that.
What must that be like? That's the Dunning-Kruger scene.
What? We've talked about that before.
Oh gosh have we? Yes, in the context of a certain president.
Oh Lord, okay.
It's when you're incompetent and don't know that you're incompetent.
You think you're awesome.
Yeah, because you don't know what you don't know.
Oh my Lord, yeah, yeah.
And so you think I am, I'm killing it.
Others should be telling you that you're not right, but that's the thing that you get to a certain level and nobody No, we'll tell you everyone fears.
Yeah Yeah, and no everyone's afraid to tell you that you are an idiot.
It's like It's like you ever see somebody I see this a lot with athletes.
Mm-hmm NFL athletes because that's what I watch.
Okay You ever see some of these athletes? um some of their haircuts like well we'll just use Travis Kelsey as an example.
All right.
Sometimes I think, dude, do you not have any real friends? Cause real friends would tell you that haircut's terrible.
And so every time I see somebody with terrible hair in the NFL, I always say, that guy's got no friends.
You look like a my buddy doll.
Because that person has reached a certain status where you can't tell that person that.
Okay.
Anyway, in a nutshell, the Peter Principle suggests that career advancement often leads to employees being promoted until they reach a position where they're not competent, and this can have negative effects on the overall performance of the organization.
Yeah.
And then you multiply that by hundreds of organizations and you got a worldwide problem.
Yes.
Like you've got the inmates running the asylum.
Absolutely.
And the people at the bottom don't know that the people at the top are incompetent because like you and me, everybody's just assuming that everybody knows what they're doing.
Yes.
Because you have to.
Or you would never sleep at night.
Right.
And I might have a differing opinion about what a leader is doing.
But my assumption is I don't have the training that person has.
Right.
and I don't understand why they're making the decisions that they are.
I think the decision could be wrong or maybe misguided, but I don't know what they know.
That's what is going through my head.
I'm assuming they know something I don't know and that decision is being made for a reason unbeknownst to me.
Correct.
But that may not be the case.
I think that it's not the case in a lot of...
I mean, think about it.
from just a personal relationship perspective.
Okay.
Or a family.
When you were younger.
Yes.
And your parents were the age that we are now.
You thought they knew everything, right? Until you got to a certain age and then your parents are stupid.
Yes, I did.
But when you're a little kid and your parents are our age.
Right.
You think they've got it figured out.
Yes, yes.
They know what's going on.
Exactly.
I'm still alive.
I might not always agree with what they'd say.
And I might not always like what they tell me to do.
Right.
But they're my parents.
And they know.
what they're doing because they're my parents.
That's right, yes.
And now I'm that person and I don't know what the eff I'm doing.
And it turns out.
Ever.
Yes, and it turns out our parents were the same way.
Right.
They were just good at faking it.
Right.
I don't fake it well enough, I don't think.
My parents were like, I believed.
that they knew exactly what should be going on.
I mean, they were...
Well, they say things with...
They would say things with authority.
And then they stuck to it.
There were no empty threats in the Calloway household.
No, no, no.
Ever.
Yeah.
They stuck to it, good, bad, whatever.
Yes.
And then it was just kind of like, well, that's just the way it is.
That's just the way it is.
And their conviction was so convincing.
Yes.
And I'm always just like, well...
Do you know why? Parenting is exhausting.
I just don't know anything.
I don't know how they did it.
And I think maybe it's easier to do it the way they did it, though.
I think it's easier just to go with something.
Make a decision.
Go with it.
Don't waffle.
Stick with it.
Don't look back.
No matter how wrong.
No.
Maybe so.
Because I mean, I think my parents were the same way.
And I had a good childhood and a good upbringing.
Yeah, me too.
I'm not complaining about it.
Me too.
In fact, it's the opposite.
I am looking back on it now with hindsight, I'm like, holy shit.
They were just as confused or conflicted or unsure as I am.
And how many siblings did you have? Are there seven of you? There were six of us, so I had five.
Yeah, five siblings.
And so when you think about every single one of those people having to make a decision.
They're different personalities.
They're going to have different ideas, different opinion.
I mean, raising.
And the amount of time span that they were parenting us to.
So, things.
changed.
You couldn't just say, well, what we did with our first two kids is fine for our second two kids because that was, things have changed.
And then you get to the last two and things are completely different.
I mean, just in terms of the school experience.
Just think about the technology.
Yeah, I cannot imagine.
I mean, thank God I'm not a parent for a reason.
I know parenting would not be my thing.
I know that.
Like being a project manager.
Like being a project manager.
Being a parent is being a project manager.
Yeah, you look at the job description and you say, not just no, but hell no.
I will be walking the opposite direction.
I can't imagine.
what it must have been like to raise six people.
I mean, my parents raised three and it blows my mind.
I just, I don't, I can't wrap my mind around being a parent.
I don't know how anyone does it.
I really don't.
Well, you don't think about doing it.
I guess so.
First of all.
You're just in the middle of it and everyone's just surviving.
You're just doing the next thing that you have to do.
all the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the next decision that you have to make.
And I think that is what would make me a bad parent is I'm such a planner.
Now that would probably go out the window and that would change my personality probably.
Yeah, you do have to adapt and be like, listen, this ain't working.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, there are only so many hours in the day.
You got to let things go.
Yeah, you have to just figure out, you know, what's worth it and what's not worth it.
And then a few years later think, shit, I had it wrong.
I should have cared more about that and not that.
Yeah, but you just don't know.
But you're just constantly second guessing yourself.
But back to the Peter Principle.
Yes, I was just sitting here thinking, how can we apply that to the Peter Principle? But it's kind of the same thing though.
It's When you're a kid, you're gonna be promoted into adulthood, whether you're a parent or not a parent.
As a kid, you're gonna be promoted.
And sometimes the skills that you had as a kid do not translate to being an adult or being a parent.
And that's because your manager did not teach you well because they did not have the skills when they were promoted.
Correct.
It's a vicious cycle.
Right.
Yeah, you're all just trying to learn together.
Yeah, everybody is at some level of incompetence.
Yeah.
Just kind of bumbling around.
That's right.
And when you're talking about governments and, you know.
things like that and you're talking about people who are being promoted into these positions, they don't know what they're doing.
And we're electing most of these people just saying, yeah, I think you'll be alright.
Yeah.
You'll figure it out.
Oh, that's even worse than being in an organization and interviewing for a job.
I mean, you know, the whole thing, fake it till you make it.
Yeah.
Well, some of these people.
ain't ever gonna make it.
No.
But they're real good at faking it.
Very good.
Real good.
Yes.
So, Dr.
Peter amended the adage, the cream rises to the top by stating, the cream rises until it sours.
Which is so depressing.
Nice.
It's just, it's terrifying.
I can't think of...
I can think of very few more stressful things than being completely over your head in your job.
Uh, yeah.
And knowing it.
And knowing it.
If I'm going to be in over my head, I don't want to know it.
I'm just, I need to be Bob-a-Long.
Yeah, I'm doing great until someone tells me otherwise.
Right.
it would be well I couldn't do that job if I knew I was over my head I would just I'd fess up and be like I don't know what I'm doing.
I don't know I think you get in and you're like I can't.
I just don't.
I can't admit that I'm just gonna have to figure it out.
I don't know.
I've not been put in a position.
Oh me neither.
Thank God.
I mean there are times when you like you get a new job.
Well, I mean I can think of a time at the TV station.
Oh, well, yeah.
There were as I moved through those jobs.
Yeah Yeah, I was like, uh-oh.
Yeah.
Uh-oh.
Yeah Yeah, but then again, you just make the next decision.
Yeah.
And you make the next decision.
You do.
It's just little chunks.
But people's lives weren't at stake.
True.
We always said that at the TV station.
Nobody died.
That is right.
You could go to black and have completely dead air, and nobody died.
Yeah.
I'm fucking lost.
No.
We had, we worked with a director.
who he would get overwhelmed in the middle of a newscast and he'd be at the board.
Like, you know, when you're a director, you sit at this board and you press the buttons to make the camera, you know, this camera come up and this camera come up and he would get lost.
Like the show was just going too fast for him or something.
And he would just push away from the board.
He's the director.
Nothing happens unless he's doing things, pushing buttons.
And he would just push away from the board and go, I'm fucking lost.
not a good quality in a director.
Oh my gosh.
I mean but to defend that person yeah I understand that thought process because when we were doing the morning show yeah we were uh I don't want to speak for everybody but I think I can we were very tired oh my gosh and very sleep deprived yeah and you can easily like things just get jumbled.
Yeah.
And you, you do get lost sometimes.
It's better just to admit it.
It is.
And then reset.
And be calm about it.
You have to learn to be calm about it and just, just go with it until you find it.
And then you do, you can find it.
As long as you don't shove yourself away from the board and say, I'm fucking lost.
Yeah.
You got to stick with it.
Yeah.
You have to be lost, but then think Okay, I'm lost, but in five steps, this is where everybody else is going to be.
Yeah.
I'm just going to go there.
You got to have your freak out and then come back.
Yeah.
Like it's going to take me about 10 seconds to get over this.
In 10 seconds, this is going to be happening.
I'll just...
I'm just going to skip to that.
In 10 seconds is an eternity.
I mean, you can figure out so much stuff.
You know how fast you can run from PCR to the printer? You can get there really fast.
As long as you don't fall down the stairs.
Why did they put stairs between PCR and the printer? So, dumb.
Yeah, so I'm just so glad I don't have any ambitions.
That's true.
Because I don't have to worry about this.
I'm doing what I want to do.
Yes.
All I have to do is make sure that I am staying up to date with what needs to be done to do my job well, which is enough.
Because things are constantly changing.
with technology and whatever.
So, I just am like, don't ask me who I want to be in five years.
I want to be exactly who I am now, except still competent.
Yes.
I don't want to have fallen behind and say, you know what? I can't learn this.
I'm not learning that.
Yeah.
And I appreciate that, because I've seen that happen at Various workplaces I've been at.
Yeah, where people just refuse to learn new technology or yeah, it's like well then I guess you should retire Yeah, all right.
Well, I'm just not gonna do that.
Yeah Hello, I think you're going to actually is that an option? Yeah, I think you're going to actually yeah um, I Just feel like that's an undervalued though Goal, I completely agree I think that we always want some lofty something, you know, I want to be promoted to this or I want to be this or I want to be at this level.
It's like, how about you just stay doing what you're doing, but just keep getting better at it.
Yeah.
So, anyway, that is the Peter Principle.
That's so interesting.
Cautionary Tales podcast, Wikipedia, Investopedia, Professional Leadership Institute were my sources.
Nice.
Okay.
That's also very scary.
I know.
I'm going to try not to think about that too terribly much.
No.
All right.
Uh-huh.
How do you feel about a little etymology? I love etymology.
I know that you do.
The Holy See.
Okay.
This is from Conclave again.
Yes.
The fake pope being chosen.
The fake I'm not trying to start rumors.
I really don't appreciate this spoiler on this movie.
Oh, I am so sorry.
He was fake.
He was not real.
Oh my gosh.
It was actually a cardboard cutout.
Oh shit.
Oh.
Okay.
The Holy See, S-E-E, is the central governing body of the worldwide Catholic Church.
It represents the authority, jurisdiction, and sovereignty vested in the Pope and his advisors.
Under international law, the Holy See is recognized as a sovereign entity distinct from Vatican city state.
This, oh, mouth sound.
I'm getting dry over here.
This allows it to engage in diplomatic relations with other nations and participate in international organizations.
That's so interesting.
While the Holy See operates from Vatican City, they are not the same.
Correct.
The Holy See is the governing body of the Catholic Church, while Vatican City is a sovereign, independent territory.
The Holy See maintains diplomatic relations with numerous countries, allowing it to address global issues and promote peace.
It sends and receives diplomatic representatives to various organizations The Holy See holds supreme religious authority over the Catholic Church, guiding its teachings and practices.
In essence, the Holy See is the administrative and spiritual center of the Catholic Church wielding significant influence on a global scale.
Here's your etymology.
Okay.
The holy part of this phrase signifies the sacred nature of the entity.
Holy.
The word see comes from the Latin word sedes, S-E-D-E-S, which means seat or chair.
In ecclesiastical terms, see refers to the seat or chair of a bishop, symbolizing their authority and jurisdiction.
Therefore, the holy seat means holy chair.
The holy chair.
The holy chair.
Is it wicker? Is it rattan? You know what that did not come up in my searches Oh I'm gonna guess maybe ivory or marble.
Oh Like it's gonna be a fancy one.
Oh So, it's not holy as in holes No, I see no hole Spiritual Oh Holy spiritual seat Holy chair eventually the Holy See became the specific term for the authority of the bishop of Rome or the pope and the central administration of the Catholic Church.
There you go.
Everything you ever wanted to know about the Holy See.
Yes.
I still don't understand why they call it the Holy See.
Just call it the Holy Seat or the like I feel like that term should go ahead and change.
You think that it's outdated.
I think it's outdated.
Now I understand.
steeped in tradition.
Right.
Very, very, very long tradition.
Yes.
So, I understand, you know, changing the holy see phrase would probably be a big fat hairy deal.
Right.
And probably not looked upon pleasingly.
But it isn't very descriptive.
Yeah.
And it's, it's not intuitive.
Like you don't hear it and sing and think, Oh, I know what that is.
Right.
you just, you learn about it every however many years when there's a new pope elected.
That's right.
And you're like, oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Or you hear it and you're like, I think I kinda know what that is.
I had no idea at all.
I was, if I had knew this at one point, I have 100% purged it from my little brain.
I always think it's a person, a single person.
And see, that makes, that would make more sense.
Yeah.
And that actually, is what I thought they were referring to like an office or a position.
Right.
And I had to pause the movie and look it up to make it more sense.
I was like, oh, okay, that makes more sense now.
Yeah.
Anyway, did you get to see the smoke come out of the chimney? 100%.
Excellent.
Cause that was my favorite part of when Benedict was elected.
Yes.
Was just sitting there watching the chimney.
And why were you just watching the chimney? Cause I was a news producer and it was my job.
It was going to be breaking news.
To just watch the chimney smoke.
When is the smoke color going to change? It was like for the love of God.
Do you remember how many times? the smoke came out of the chimney and it was not white.
Do you remember how many, how many votes there were is what I'm trying to ask.
Okay.
No, I'm sure that's a historical record.
I just remember that it just seemed like it took forever.
Yes.
And so when Francis was elected, I just tuned out of that whole process because I was like, been here, done that, got the t-shirt.
Me too.
I, so.
Benedict and Francis, I've not been plugged into that either of those.
But you worked at the TV station when Benedict was...
I know, but I just didn't...
Were you not on shift? Probably not, I don't know.
I just don't...
It didn't matter as much.
I wonder what year that was.
I don't remember.
I don't either.
That's how unplugged...
I couldn't even begin to tell you when that was.
I'm thinking it was...
506.
Oh lordy.
Really? No.
Yeah yeah.come.
I'm looking it up.
Because I left the TV station in an 0.
Oh yeah good point.
8.
Right.
Me too.
Derp.
Oh my god.
Wait I still work at the TV station.
Benedict Pope.
07 is when I left actually.
13? Excuse me.
So, he was elected April of 2005.
And then he resigned 2013 because of his health.
He just died in 2022.
I didn't know that.
Mm-hmm.
That's right.
Have you ever watched that show, The Young Pope? No.
With Jude Law? It is interesting.
Yeah, I've heard that.
I've watched a few episodes and I was like, I don't know about this.
And I don't have a dog in the, in the hunt.
Is that what they say? A dog in the fight? Dog in the fight? Yeah, whatever.
Because I'm not Catholic.
So, I don't, I'm not like, Oh, this is sacrilegious or anything, but it was just.
different.
Okay.
Jude Law as a pope, first of all, weird.
Pope Benedict was 5'7", just in case you wanted to know.
And he was 95 years old when he died.
Yeah, he was old.
He was.
I had forgotten that he was German.
Oh yeah.
Anyway, there you go.
All the Pope talk you can stand.
I love it.
Okay.
You still have another search.
I do.
So, let's hear all about it.
Okay.
My last search is the Swiss cheese effect.
Yes, I am excited to do this.
Are you ready? Yes.
This is more organizational theory stuff.
Okay.
Courtesy of our friends at Cautionary Tales podcast.
Sorry, not sorry.
It starts with the horrific tale about the windshield of an airliner popping out mid-flight Oh no because the wrong bolts, unnoticeable with the naked eye, were used when securing it to the aircraft This resulted in the captain of the flight, who wasn't strapped into his seat at the time, being sucked through the hole in the cockpit No! where he clung for dear life to the front of the plane No! I know it sounds like something in a Leslie Nielsen movie.
And eventually to the hand of a flight attendant at 17,000 feet above the earth.
You'll need to listen to the episode yourself.
It's called a screw loose at 17,000 feet.
Wonderful name.
And it originally aired on October 12th, 2023 to hear what happened.
But the takeaway.
on the podcast was that multiple failures in a quality control process can easily go unnoticed in the right circumstances rendering all of those efforts useless.
Yes.
It's called the swish cheese effect.
And it's a metaphor used to describe how weaknesses or holes in each step of a quality control process can align.
You're supposed to imagine a stack.
of Swiss cheese slices, each representing a layer of defense or quality control.
The holes in the cheese represent weaknesses or potential points of failure.
If the holes in each slice align, it creates a pathway for errors or issues to pass through.
And there's not a piece of cheese or cheese portion to stop the error.
This leads to a failure or accident.
In terms of quality control, this means that even if there are multiple checks and balances in place, overlooked issues in each layer can combine to cause a significant problem.
The model emphasizes the importance of having multiple independent layers of defense to catch errors and prevent them from aligning and causing a failure.
So, the point is you're not supposed to have like everybody doing the same job or you know, you're supposed to have multiple layers where things aren't lining up so that your gaps aren't letting things fall through.
Yes.
Because the person underneath that is blocking the hole.
Yes.
Of the thing up top of the person on top of them or whatever.
So, does this relate mainly to manufacturing or can this be it can be in any like any organization any organization has any type of process that needs to function properly? Correct.
And if you have, you know, one person is supposed to be providing some kind of a check on another person, then you've got to make sure that these systems...
don't line up so perfectly that you can just look straight down.
Yes.
Okay.
So,, um, it's a useful concept in various fields to answer your question, including healthcare.
Oh, okay.
You know healthcare would be a really good one to have this.
Uh huh.
Uh huh.
Aviation.
Yeah.
Yes.
Like we just discussed engineering.
Yes.
And more.
to understand how complex systems can fail and how to design more robust defenses against errors.
Because all it takes is one person calling in sick to work that day, or someone not putting the windshield bolts in the correctly labeled drawer, or the cabinet of bolts being in a dimly lit hanger, or the maintenance supervisor having to install a windshield when normally he's the one overseeing the work or checking it at the end, not actually installing it.
And then all these things line up and you're dangling from the nose of a plane during an emergency landing in bad weather.
Oh gosh! Did that guy survive? I'm not telling you.
Oh, okay.
It's part of the podcast.
It's part of the podcast.
The episode, okay.
It'll ruin the episode for you.
Okay, I will not ask again.
It turned out, you know, the guy who replaced the windshield.
Yeah.
It was during a layover, so he was rushed.
They were replacing the windshield during a layover? Yeah.
So, he was rushed.
Somebody had called in sick.
It was raining.
It was dark in the hanger where the bolts were.
The bolts weren't labeled well.
Oh my gosh.
The doors.
So, he's looking at them, you know, just eyeing it, saying, yeah, these are the same length.
Well, it turns out the length of the bolt isn't the issue.
It's the diameter of the bolt that was the issue.
Oh my goodness.
You could have a too short bolt and it'd be fine.
I mean not fine fine, but you know what I mean? Right.combined with all the other bolts, Uh huh.
they're gonna keep that windshield in.
But if the diameter of the bolt is not big enough, and we're talking, when they said the measurement, this is not something you could eyeball.
Oh my gosh.
And tell a difference.
You're not gonna be able to tell the difference just by looking at them.
unless you're like Robocop or somebody who has, you know, do like computer, computerized.
Right.
So, that's when you're up at that elevation and the cabin is pressurized, but then outside air is not pressurized.
It sucks that windshield right off and those bolts just slide out like.
Oh my gosh.
I cannot.
First of all, let me just say, replacing a windshield on a layover, I can't even believe that's a thing.
I choose not to believe that that's true.
This is a made up story and that layovers do not equal windshield replacements.
You just switch planes.
You switch to a safer plane.
There was obviously something wrong with that windshield.
Right? But that's why they were replacing it.
I know.
But just don't use that plane.
We're just going to take her into the shop.
You don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
Oh, don't you, though, with an airplane? Oh, my lord.
So, you don't want to hear what an audit of? No, no, no.
Of those plane models and their windshields turned up after they? What? No! Yeah, they did an audit after this happened to see.
You're telling me anyway.
I'm just, I'm not gonna tell you the results of the audit.
I'm just telling you, they did an audit after this happened.
Yeah.
The end.
I'm sure that you're telling me that because the audit was really good.
It was great.
It came out just great.
They found zero incorrect bolts in windshields, plane windshields.
That's amazing.
It makes me feel really good.
I will tell you that plane landed safely.
Okay.
And that most of the passengers didn't even know what was going on.
Oh my word.
That's great.
That's a testament to that co-pilot.
Absolutely.
who was like, hey, I'm gonna land this plane.
I wonder what he or she did after landing that plane.
It was a he.
I think- Like several bottles of scotch? Oh, probably, I'm sure.
I just can't even- I'm sure there was drinking involved.
Three months long vacation? Yeah.
I will tell you that the flight attendant who was holding the hand of the captain who went out the windshield.
that they did not ever get on a plane again.
I can understand that.
He was like, I'm done.
Gosh.
Had PTSD and- Yeah.
Well, he had, he never got the sight back in his eye.
He got like frost.
Well, yeah.
Frostbite on his eye.
I was going to say, how are any of them even breathing? Right.
I don't, I mean, I guess oxygen mask, but the guy dangling out the window probably didn't have an oxygen mask.
He did not.
That your stories today are just off the chain.
I owe it all to the constant podcast listening that I do.
My sources were Wikipedia, reliability, engineering for humans and cautionary tales podcast.
Wow.
I mean, those are all very good searches.
But what about this one? Oh, what about it? In this segment, we're going to do a quick listing of our other searches from the past week that we didn't have time to discuss or simply too boring to share.
Oh, you're right.
They were just too damn boring.
You're boring.
All right, tell me your boring searches.
Here we go.
Peter Yarrow death.
That is Peter from Peter, Paul and Mary.
Oh, no.
Puff.
He went puff.
He poofed.
Peter.
Oh, Peter.
So, Paul is the only one left now.
Oh, no.
Because Mary passed away several years ago.
That's right.
Peter.
Peter was 86.
Oh, geez.
I know, I like Peter, Paul, and Mary.
Yeah.
I enjoyed them.
Anyway, udemy, udemy.com.
Udemy? Udemy.
LinkedIn Learning, edX, what is a shank button? It ain't something that you create in jail.
Okay.
Traditional Z'kir dancing.
Okay.
Laramie, Wyoming.
I wanted to see where that was on the map.
Oh yeah.
I was watching some 1883.
Yeah.
And then my IMDB searches that I will now start listing is Ron Perlman.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, I looked up Ron Perlman.
Suck it, everybody.
Kyle McLaughlin.
Um, I looked up 1883 again and I looked up Tim McGraw again.
Okay.
You know, you can't look up Tim McGraw too many times.
No.
He does a really good job in that show.
His acting is excellent.
Yeah.
Faith Hill did a good job too.
Oh yeah.
They're good.
Yeah.
Anyway.
What are your boring searches? Here we go.
Men's pea coats slash nice men's coats.
Yes.
Not nice men's coat.
Nice men's coats.
Not nice men's coats.
Got it.
Okay.
Killer of the Flower Moon.
What is the snow to rainfall ratio? Laura Dern Age.
Mirren Mack.
Connor Swindells.
Amber Anderson.
This is my IMDB section.
Sex Education Cast.
Julian Anderson.
Kate Lister.
Videos to watch when high.
Wee! Look it up, you'll be glad you did.
Okay.
Alright, do you have any listener shout outs? I do.
Oh, I have one as well.
Do you? Yes, I do.
You go.
Alright, my first one was, I just wanted to give a shout out to Dory G.
Yes.
She commented on our picture of Swedish gummy candy online.
Oh yeah.
And she decided that the large oval ones that said bubs have to be super dry.
She said they just look.
dry and I would have to agree with her.
I almost bought those because those are apparently super popular.
Oh really? And they had those at Bon Bon's.
Yeah.
I did not get those though.
I did hurt myself on those gummies because I was so hungry on the way home.
I just ate a bunch of them.
I was like.
This isn't too bad.
And the whole weekend, my jaw.
Yes.
The whole weekend after that, my jaw was effed up.
And I was like, oh no, I did what Cara did.
Remember when you had that jaw problem and you couldn't open your mouth? That's because of a dentist trismas.
I know it was.
Trismas.
Trismas, that's right.
Yeah, I was like, oh crap.
So, you got to that point where you couldn't open your mouth? I.
had very limited range of motion.
Oh my gosh.
I could open my mouth, but it hurt.
I was like, what a dumb ass.
Cara warned me that these were...
And I was just, eating them all the way home.
Oh my gosh.
What an idiot.
Also, we wanted to thank Dory because she has just been shouting us up.
We were in 417.
Yes.
So,...
We were originally in Biz 417.
That's where our photo shoot was, which we can link to that now.
Oh, we'll have to do that.
We'll have to link to that on social media.
But then we showed up again in just the straight up 417 magazine as a mention of local podcasts.
Yeah, there's lots of them.
There are lots of them.
We're right up there with Joy Robertson.
I know.
We actually got a, we were mentioned before hers.
Sorry, Joy.
Not sorry.
Her podcast, I've not listened to it, but I'm super interested because she just.
runs around and eats food and talks about it.
Like, duh.
Plus, she's just my hero.
I know.
She's so pompous.
I know.
All right.
I do have a, are you done with your shout out? I'm all done.
I'm sorry.
Yes, no, go ahead.
I didn't mean to step on Dory's shout out.
Hit it, hit it.
Okay.
I'm going to shout out another one of my sisters.
Oh, yes.
Colleen.
She messaged us through social media DMs.
She did? She did.
Girl, wow.
Okay.
She slid into our DMs.
She agrees with you, Cara, that mid 1990s and before country music is the best.
She said she actually yelled.
Yes.
When she heard you say that.
Colleen, thank you.
And I can vouch for her love of this genre because I remember her being obsessed with country when she came to visit us in Missouri when I was in high school, she loved Susie Boggess.
Yes.
And, um, Martina McBride.
Yes.
I, in fact, have a playlist that I created myself that's nothing but pre-1996 country.
Oh my gosh.
And I was listening to it this week because of when we talked about it.
Got you thinking about it.
I'm going to listen to that.
It's so good.
She loves it.
Anyway.
Colleen, I love it.
She said we need to come there and jam out to some countries.
Color me there.
I am all over it.
I'll bring my playlist.
I wish, I wish, I wish.
I was a fish.
Oh goodness, okay, those are great.
I love the shout outs.
Everybody keep.
Keep engaging with us on social media because we love it.
Yeah, we try to shout you out when you do it.
Yes, absolutely.
So, get on there, engage with us.
Or let's see, on Instagram and threads, we're at dthgals.
On Facebook, it's Delete This History.
And what could they also do? They could email us at our delightfully old fashioned email address, Delete This History podcast at gmail.com.
You know who I'd like to hear from.
Who? Um, oh, Garen.
Huh? We haven't done the Garen scale.
I know.
I was thinking about that the other day.
I was talking about, talking about.
I was talking to myself about how boring one of my searches was.
The diner search? No, it was a search that I chose to pull off of my rundown.
It was so boring.
Oh, because you said your diner search was boring, but I really enjoyed the diner search.
Well, I'm glad that you...
On the Garen scale, I'd put the diner at about a four.
Okay, well that's not horrible.
No, it's not horrible.
It's definitely not a one.
Yeah.
But yeah, I know.
I totally let the Garen scale fall off of my radar.
We did.
We need to get that incorporated back in there.
I know, because it's a good scale.
And Garen, you need to send us some of your searches.
Because we enjoy them.
They were awesome.
They make our day.
Absolutely.
Alright.
Yeah.
Let's wrap this one up.
Okay.
Let's go home because Brea needs to eat some din din.
Yes I do.
I have a pot pie waiting for me.
Yum.
Chicken pot pie.
Oh my gosh.
Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie.
That's like perfect for this weather.
I know.
And I didn't have to cook it.
It's even more perfect.
Cause my lovely darling child.
My youngest, my baby, little pea, made me a pot pie.
So, did he like make the crust and roll it out and crimp the sides? Marie Callender did all that for him.
Oh, well, you know what? But he did wrap the edges with foil so that they don't burn, and he did put it in the oven.
And I didn't have to touch anything.
And that's the best kind of dinner there is.
That is correct.
All right, let's go delete our history.
OK, let's do it.
And then I'm going to tell y'all to stay fresh, you cheese bags.
You are such cheese bags.
Such cheese bags.
But we love you.
Bye.
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