The pendulum swang a little too far... Swang? It's swang. I thought you didn't want to let people know where we're from, Cara. You can't use words like swang and we're gonna, I mean, that just gives it right away. The pendulum swang. What was it that I said earlier? These ones? These ones. Like, who am I today? Good gravy! [opening music} Welcome to episode 11 of “Delete This History”, a podcast by two besties of a certain age searching for answers. We're your hosts, Brea Brown... And Cara Birch. Ah, mouth sound. Dang it. Right off the bat. No, it's all right. Let's keep going. We're on time deadline! Oh yeah. We gotta get this done. No takesees backsees. The pressure is mounting. We need to probably put a disclaimer on here just in case we need to. It can always be edited out. About that we're recording at an unusual date and time? Exactly. After a full workday. Full work week. So, uh oh people. Yeah, look out. Just strap in. Sometimes this gets a little hairy. I'm a little goofy. Also, we've both had another week where things were not awesome. Yeah, what is going on? The full moon is upon us. Yes, when I was driving to pick up Jacki last night from GLOW, I noticed the moon. Boom. Was it beautiful? It was very big and very beautiful. Did it have the words, “I'm making people nuts” written across it? And I actually thought about it because we had talked about it last week, how everybody's crazy. And I was like, hmm, things are falling into place... But you were not well this week. No! I'm getting sick of being sick! Your texts about not being well, though, were cracking me up. Because I was trying to be like serious and supportive and you were like, ‘I'm about to do something drastic, like eat well and exercise.’ I kept reading them to Clint because they were cracking me up so hard. At some point a person has to feel okay. I know. And I'm just not okay. And I think all of my poor decisions in my adult life are… …coming back to haunt you? They are. They're coming home to roost like a nasty chicken. But I tried to make a good responsible adult decision this week and got my flu shot and my COVID shot. Good job, girl. And it made me feel like poo-poo. But it really affected Jacki. She was bad. Oh no. We went to get our shots at 5 o'clock after work Monday. And that night, she was sick already. Oh my gosh. And she didn't sleep all night. Eugh. And then I thought, well, great. I'm in for it because I knew that must be coming. And actually, I wasn't too bad. But I was just kind of worn out, like, ugh. By the time this comes out. Mm-hmm. We'll be on our way to... South Carolina! That's right! Ince, ince, ince. Party bus. Absolutely. Wouldn't that be hilarious? Just the two of us on a party bus? Driver. Point it to Charleston. Don't stop. Except, no, just never stop. Just keep going. I wanted to let you know that Carrie Underwood does know how to play the drums. You looked this up. Just wanted to follow up. Okay. Now, she admits that she is not an excellent drummer, but she does drum. And I also learned that she's a resident entertainer in Vegas. Is she? Yes. So, she’s just set up in Vegas and I think on one of her songs, maybe in her show, she plays the drums. This is how I learned that. There are videos of her from multiple angles, people using their cell phones. Naughty, naughty. You’re no supposed to do that! What else? Okay. So, while we're gone, just to give people a heads up. Oh yes. We're going to hit social media while we're in South Carolina. Of course. And our husbands are here back home. This is a girls trip. Oh yeah. Yeah. We are alone except for the sick old cats, which I keep forgetting about. They're not really sick. They're just old. Oh, they're just old cats. I apologize to the cats. What are the cat's names? Poco? Nope. Bongo? Jasper. Oh, I was so close. And Boo. Jasper and Boo, they're not sick. They're just old. They're just old. And a little bit senile. This is going to be awesome. So, Boo forgets that you're petting her. Oh, and will turn on you. Yes. And then as all of a sudden, like, who said you could pet me? So she'll purr, and then, ah, bite. It's good times. I love her. I can't wait. I can't wait to see them. So yeah, we've got special episodes. So these are practice episodes that we recorded. So we were practicing just, you know, talking to each other. The format the editing so these were before we actually started putting episodes out, right? So it's a little experimental It's a little bit different format. Yeah, it'll sound a little bit different. Yeah, there are some segments that we moved around and then there are some segments that we got rid of and kind of or reworked and put them in different places. Yeah, or called them different things so it won't be exactly like what you're used to hearing. Plus, we were just kind of learning and aren't as smooth as we are now. Oh no, this is such an obvious difference. They are our later practice episodes though. Thank goodness. Yes. Yeah those first ones were rough. Yeah I wouldn't subject people to that I don't think. No. But they gave us some good bloopers. So eventually we might have a good blooper reel. What else you want to talk about? Did you see the results of Travis Kelsey's penalty. You know, we talked about that last week. All right, the deal was what we didn't see...so, we saw him grab his straps of his helmet and yank them. Well, what we didn't see was that he threw his helmet while he was still on the field. Oh, you can't do that. You can't do that! So, they actually talked about it -- I looked up the brothers’ podcast. I've never listened to it. And so I looked it up and I watched them on YouTube. Just the clip where they talk about it? I watched the whole thing. Did you really? I started looking for just the clip and then I was like, I'm just going to start at the beginning. It's so good. Aren't they hilarious? They're funny. They're so cute. So they talked about it a little bit, just a little bit. Yeah. Because they, like I told you, they don't like to talk about stuff like that because they don't want to get fined or get in more trouble. Travis said…so they brought up a penalty. You'll just have to listen to it. It was they brought up a penalty that happened on a different team where it cost them the game when is was unsportsmanlike conduct, he said, luckily that didn't happen. But he said, from now on, I know if I'm gonna throw my helmet, I wait until I'm on the sidelines. He should already know that. He was very, very upset. Dude. Andy Reed talked about it at a press conference. Like he was talking about how Travis was, his leg was hurting him and you know, like all these things. He's like ‘Travis, he was working it out. He was pushing through, you know. He knows better.’ We said that too. We were like, yes, they're not playing great. Yep. He was frustrated. So he's frustrated. He's in pain. He probably just needed a Snickers. Maybe that's my problem. You need a snickers? I need a snickers. When was the last time you had a snickers? I couldn't even tell you. I have not had one in forever. It's been, it was probably last Halloween, honestly. And it's not because I eat so well. Like, oh, I shun things like snickers. It's just like I just haven't had the opportunity because trust me when Halloween comes around And I buy a bag of those little fun size candy bars and Snickers are in there. My face will be down that bag. I'm telling you a fresh Snickers. They're very good. Sponsor us. Yes. Oh, one more thing. Yeah. The professor that I called about the Pacific versus European. She has not called me back. Oh, okay. It's only been a week. You, you contacted her last Friday. That's true. Right before closing time. Yes. That's right. Closing time, like she works at a bar. She might've just had a crazy week. Maybe so. Or maybe she's on PTO. It is a full moon. Oh, she might be on PTO. Good point. Or maybe she got her COVID shot. Felt like shit all week. Didn't do anything. Yep. Who knows? You just don't know. I tell you what, I blank people all the time and don't mean to, but I think that I've replied to texts or emails. Yes. And because I have in my head. Yes. What are we doing now? Well, I think that we should move along to the reading of the lists. [interstitial music] What do we do in this segment? This is a segment where we tell you about our top five most interesting, funniest, and most successful searches of the week in list form. It's Weirdo Week. It is, so I get to go first. My list for this week is, number one, quote, that's very cash money of you. Number two, naked yoga. Number three... I'm not kidding. Wow, my brain went a lot of places and saw a lot of things. I'm sorry. It's okay. Isn't it amazing what the human brain can see and think in a split second? Oh yeah. A lot of things happened up here in the old melon… Well wait till I tell you about the search. Number three, Thomas Kincaid community. Vallejo, California. Number four, definition of dry goods. Number five, xylotomy. I can't wait to hear all about all of these, except maybe naked yoga. Yeah, be careful what you wish for. All right, okay, here's my list. Number one, Chinese whispers. Number two, how are peanut M&Ms made? Number three, off-piste meaning. Number four, Michael Gambon slash uptown downstairs abbey slash comic relief charity. Number five is Bill Paxton dead?? That's my list. All right. You had a couple of full sentences. I know. And you know what? I'm actually getting better at that. You are! I don't have a lot, but it usually happens when I'm like, what? You got to ask a full question sometimes when you're not getting the results that you need. Like it’s very vague. Like if I just plugged in Bill Paxton. Dead. Bill Paxton dead? I think you'd probably get. Bill Paxton dead?????? Would I have to put a question mark on the end of it? Probably, no. You could probably just say Bill Paxton death. Man, it just goes against, like it just goes against everything… I know. I just need to type it in. Is Bill Paxton dead? I was gonna ask you if you sometimes say your searches into your phone. Of course I do. Because I never do. Oh, of course I do. I never, ever, ever. Because I'm a granny like that. So that's probably why I don't use full sentences, because I'm too lazy to type it in. Well, that may be true. It's like as few words as possible. Well, that's a legit reason. I think it is. I'm not judging. OK. Would you like to play a game now? So very much. Well now we're going to play a game we like to call, Search Me! Where we each pose one question to each other and see if we can answer based only on the reading of the list. Yes, yes, yes. Today, Cara, you're playing for this adorable, if I may say, gift bag I made with my own two hands. I made it especially with you mind. Awwwww! Look at that! It's all cameras. It's camera-y. That is so cute. Oh, look at, I love it. Are you ready? I am so ready, yes. I can do this. Which search made me feel like an idiot for having to actually search it? Ha! Ha ha ha! Okay. Well, let's see. I'm going with definition of dry goods. You got it. Eee! Awesome! Yeah! Thank you for my beautiful bag! It's so cute. I like this paper too. This is very retro looking. Yeah, yeah. I figured if you didn't want to put a present in it and give it away to somebody, you could use it as a lunch bag. You are correct. I'm loving that paper. It's cute. Thanks. How have I lived this long without knowing what dry goods are? Well, I don't know. I was listening to a podcast. And they talked about a guy being a dry goods salesman. And I thought, what the heck is that? Actually, I kind of thought I might have an idea. I didn't really question it. And then one of the hosts of the podcast said, now what are dry goods? Now this was back like in the, back in the olden days. Okay. And the guy was like.. Ye old dry goods? Ye old dry goods. And he said, like, what does that mean? What was he actually selling? And then I was thinking, yeah, what was he actually selling? And I always think of like beans when I think of dry goods, beans and rice. Same. Things like that. And that is correct. Merriam-Webster defines dry goods as grocery items such as tobacco, sugar to put in your sugar chest, flour and coffee that do not contain liquid. However, definition number two, textiles, ready-to-wear clothing, and notions. I'm sure that clears it up, as distinguished especially from hardware and groceries, which seems to contradict the first definition. Yes. Like it's distinguished from groceries. I've only ever heard of it in the context of groceries or food. Same. Or, yeah, dry goods. Yes. Things that are dry that you would have to then constitute with water to make it do what it does maybe or use as an ingredient or something. And I think that's what this guy was, a dry goods salesman. But then I started thinking maybe not. Maybe he was like textiles salesman. Why wouldn't you just say textiles though? I don't know. To me that's confusing. Did you know however that there's a clothing store here at our mall called Dry Goods? No, because I do not go to the mall. Me neither. I avoid it like the plague. But that aligns with definition number two that you looked up. Exactly. Interesting. I like it. That's it. I learned. That was the search, and it was as simple as that. And I found out I did kind of know what it was. I just was doubting myself. And but I did feel really stupid looking it up. All right, are you ready for your question? I am. All right, you are playing for…hold on to your socks... I'm so excited because we have new prizes this week. Agreed. I've been dying to get this thing out of my house, which is why I helped you win last week. Because this thing's got to move along. You ready? I'm ready. Your very own…Toby jug! Get the F out of here. This is not the $30,000 Toby jug. No, you don't say. It's not. But it is about as hideous as the other ones that you found. Oh my gosh. It is. It's a Toby jug. Now I know that there's a moratorium on mugs in the Brown household, but you could put a plant in this. That could be a pencil jar. You could put candy in this. All kinds of things. Yeah. So, it's a multi-use Toby jug. That's not going to go in the in the mug cabinet where they're all falling down on top of people every time you open the door. Will this one go in the trash can? No, I think Quinn will love that thing. You can put this in the trash can if you want. There's no distinguishing mark on the bottom. It's just an ugly Toby jug. I can't wait to put that on social media for people to see. You know what it kind of reminds me of? What? Kind of looks like Sean like dressed up for Halloween or something like as a sad, um, old timey guy. [laughing] He does have like... It's like Sean went to Silver Dollar City and they made a Toby jug for him. [Cara laughing hysterically] Cause he can make his mouth like... His hair is really dark. You know, I... this thing's been sitting in my house for like two weeks and I never even thought about it. Oh crap. Where did you find it? I found it on Etsy. Oh my gosh….my second home. All right. OK, hit me with the question. Holy hell. I do not have good track record with these questions. I made this one easy because I want to move this thing along. Scaring me in the middle of the night. OK. Which of my searches was prompted by a gift from Hopper this week? Oh no…. A gift that I love. How are peanut M&Ms made? You are the proud owner of a Toby jug. Oh, thank goodness. Ding ding ding! My Sean toby….his name is Sean. Sean will be so happy. I love it. Oh, geez. Okay. Alright, so peanut M&Ms. I really wanted to know how peanut M&Ms were made. Did you get to watch a video? I did get to watch a video. However, it was not about peanut M&Ms. It was about plain M&Ms. But I'm assuming they're fairly similar. You just fold in some peanuts. Plain M&Ms to make a batch is a 12 hour process. Alright, 12 big ones. The chocolate center of plain M&M is made from milk, sugar, and cocoa, which rolls through refiners turning the semi-liquid paste into a powder. First, that's your first step. So then all this powder is conveyed down a conveyor belt to the conch room where containers filled with metal beads grind up the powder with cocoa butter and chocolate liqueur. Nom. A conch, by the way, I had to look that up, is a machine used during the manufacture of chocolate and it mixes and smooths a chocolate mass. I wish I could fall into a conch. Also, chocolate liqueur many people think has alcohol in it. Okay. It does not. Chocolate liqueur is one of the key ingredients in any bar of chocolate and it's made from the nibs, cocoa beans, and it gives chocolate its taste and texture. No alcohol. So it's gone through the conch, and the result is a very smooth, semi-liquid chocolate, and it's deposited into the M&M shapes on this giant metal tray. Then, oh, the M&M employees call these lentil shapes. And they feel like that is, um, the best shape to ensure that sugar, the sugar shell is applied in a consistent and even way. So the hard, how the hard shell is applied is really what I was wanting to know. Like, I ain't, you know, chocolate in the middle. I get that. That is proprietary information. And they didn't tell in the video or on their website or another website that I looked up. It didn't tell. It's a secret how they apply the shell to the candy chocolate. So anyway, after the shell is added, the M&Ms go into a tumbler where an extra layer of color is shellacked onto the shells. Yeah. And then the little M's are printed on them and then all of the colors are blended together and before they're bagged. It was so much more boring than I was expecting. Well, but it's still one of those cool little process things. Yeah, I really wanted to see the peanut ones. Because that's going to be a little bit different. They've got to coat the peanut. And I'd like to see how that whole process works out. In other processes that I've watched, like factory videos like that, where they have to put something on top of or around something like that. It usually is that the item that's gonna be coated is on like a screen and then they pour whatever it is over and then the stuff that doesn't land on whatever's being coded just goes down through the screen. It's like a conveyor belt with the screen and then it'll go back through again and get the other side. Some fun facts about M&Ms: the colors in the bags aren't random. 25 percent are orange 25 percent are blue and 12 and a half percent are brown, red, yellow, and green. Interesting. One billion Plain M&Ms are made every day. That's billion with a B. End to end, plain M&Ms made in one year would wrap around the earth 48 times. Oh my gosh. Thank you to the M&M website and the Food Network for this information. That is ridiculous. Lots of M&Ms were eaten. They're pretty good. I mean plain ones aren't my fave, but... Have you seen the mix bag of peanut, peanut butter, and plain? No. I don't need to see that. Don't get them because they will become a problem. They don't exist. I made it up. That's a great invention you just made up in your head that I'm never going to look for. Okay. Are you ready to learn about naked yoga? Let's just get it out of the way. So, so, so much. I'm not interested in naked yoga. Let me just get that out there right now. I didn't look this up because I want to try it out or because I want to even watch it or do anything like that. But someone who shall not be named was called out as a person who watches this on YouTube. And I got an education about how some people skirt YouTube decency rules by calling things educational or instructional. And one user in particular on YouTube who has these naked yoga videos, it's basically like a porn channel… Oh my goodness. …according to my source. But since he calls it educational, he hasn't had a site taken down. I see. And it's not just yoga either. He demonstrates anus bleaching. What? And other private area maintenance. Okaaaaay. Okay. Okay……. I thought it was funny that the person that I know watches these things and it made me look at this person in a different light, but anyway, not judgy or like, it just made me think that's interesting and completely unexpected. Okay. So I searched it though, because I wanted to know like, now why? And this was one of those times when I really wish that I could just do incognito mode… Yes… …because Pornhub was the second site that popped up. Oh my gosh, of course it was… I didn't click on it, obviously. Then Wikipedia came to the rescue with some more G rated informative stuff. Naked yoga or nude yoga has been practiced since ancient times. Okay Which makes sense because yoga is pretty old. In the fourth century, Alexander the Great took some academics with him to India, and they observed and documented it then. Okay. Historically, it's been a male-only activity, naturally. Mm-hmm. Because guys get to have all the fun. Yep. Actually, because guys' bodies aren't regulated and controlled like women's bodies are. It's true. Supposedly, it wasn't about... sex originally, but everything always turns that way. Originally, it was kind of a practical thing, because men wore clothing that didn't allow them to be flexible to do the poses that yoga requires. Okay. And so they would just wear loincloths or they would wear as little clothing as possible just for the freedom of movement. And then they were like, well, if you're gonna wear a loincloth, you might as well just be naked because it's not gonna. Right, it's flipping and flapping. Right, like a lot of other things. There is a non-sexual nude yoga book out right now by naked yoga instructor Katrina Rainsong Messenger and it's called R.A.W. Nude Yoga: Celebrating the Human Body Temple. It features black and white photos of men and women in impressive poses that are reportedly tasteful and not erotic. R-A-W in the title stands for Revealed Authentic and Wise. The book, however, is currently unavailable on Amazon. So that's when my search ended. There goes your Christmas gift. Yeah, I was like, eh, okay. I've satisfied my curiosity. I kind of get how this whole thing started and now I know why it's popular nowadays because you know, sex sells. And that's all I need to know about that. All right. Well, thanks for taking one for the team and looking that up because I ain't going to look that up. And you know, hot yoga. Yes. Okay. So if you combine hot yoga with naked yoga. That kind of makes sense because… I mean, the only way I could do hot yoga is to be naked. Exactly. I understand the premise and why you do it, but yeah, why would you do that? It would make me so crabby. Oh my word! Like I would walk in the room like, no, it's too hot in here. Gosh. Yeah. Okay. So what's your first search? All right. I'm going to talk about Chinese whispers. Have you ever heard this term before? Yes. Oh, okay. What do you know about it? Is it racist? Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out. I was watching a movie and I heard this term used casually. And I was like, like it caught me off guard and it made me uncomfortable. Yeah. But they just said it so casually in a conversation. That's what prompted me to look it up. Cause I've never heard that term before. I've heard it and I've always just assumed. based on context and where I've heard it, is that it's kind of like the telephone game. Yes. So that is the English, the Commonwealth English name for the game that you and I know as telephone. Right. However, that is like a later use of the term. One theory is that it's from the supposed confused messages created when passed verbally from tower to tower on the Great Wall of China. Okay. Another suggestion is a widespread British fascination with Chinese culture in the 18th and 19th centuries. Okay. Historians believe it originated in the 17th century with Europeans misunderstanding of the Chinese culture and language. Just a wide misunderstanding. Like, we don't know what they're saying. Why are they doing that? Okay. Many people find this offensive, but other people say it's no different than saying ‘It's Greek to me’ Oh. I've never felt uncomfortable hearing or saying ‘It's Greek to me.’ So I actually looked up that phrase, the origin of that. That phrase came from Shakespeare. Okay. The Julius Caesar play. That's not shocking. Everything seems to come from Shakespeare or lots of things do. But I'm kind of curious to all of our UK listeners out there. Mm hmm. Is this term still widely used? Do you still refer to the children's game this way? I'm just does it make you uncomfortable? For those listeners who don't know what the telephone game is… Oh, sad... …well, maybe they don't, or maybe they called it something else. Yeah, you know… …regionally things are called different things. And there were there are several terms for the telephone game. But the telephone game that we used to play would just be you whisper. You have a line of people or a circle or whatever, and you whisper in one person's ear something. And by the time it gets to the last person, they say what they heard. Right. And you see how much it's changed all the way down the line of people. I could see that you would call, like, even gossip. That is how this term was used. I was watching the movie Tar with Kate Blanchett and her partner is German and they were just having a casual conversation in their kitchen about rumors that were, or rumors or gossip that were happening within the orchestra. And her partner who's German said something like, well, at least it's not Chinese whispers or something like that. It was just so casual. And I was like, what? What? I had to pause it. Like I paused it and searched right then and there. I must have read it in a British book. It would not surprise me because a lot of the research that I found, it's very common. Yeah. Supposedly. Yeah. And I don't know it …multiple times. So anyway, um, I just… But I always thought that's probably not a term that has aged well. No, I would think not. And that we probably shouldn't use. But Tar is a very current movie. But anyway, that's my search on Chinese whispers. Alright, well I'm going to also talk about a term. Okay. And something that I had to look up because I am old. Oh! Okay! It was “that's very cash money of you”. My daughter said this to me in a sarcastic tone this past week about something, and I can't remember what because… One of the many sarcastic tones. Right. And it's just paybacks, because I've always been a sarcastic person. I'm sure I was sarcastic and snarky to my parents too. But I asked her what it meant, and she couldn't explain it. Which always boggles the mind to me. Come on. It's like, if you don't know what it means or you can't explain it, then why do you use it? Yeah, because you might be using it incorrectly. And she kind of was, actually. Oh, snap. She was misquoting it. But my search led me to what I suspect is going to be a very popular website for me. It was knowyourmeme.com. Uh oh. That sounds fun. And also whatdoyoumeme.com. Excellent. I bookmarked these sites because my kids are always saying some things that I don't get and I'm like, what does that mean? And they'll either say, oh, well, it's hard to explain. Or they'll say, well, never mind, it's a meme. That's how they explain everything. Never mind, it's just a meme. Okay. Okay, well, then why did you use it in conversation with me just now? Right. Anyway, now I can look it up quickly and still not understand what they're saying because that's kind of what happened with this. Okay. The original saying is actually, that wasn't very cash money of you. Okay. Not that's very Cash Money View. It's that wasn't very Cash Money of you. And cash money is a slang term that means cool. Cash money. Okay. It originated with a drawing of the character Sayaka Miki from Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Okay. I have no idea what I just said. I... yep. But it's like a, I think maybe, I don't know, based on the meme I saw and the drawing, that it might be a graphic novel. Some anime? Some anime, some Japanese. Manga? Manga. Got it. So, the character was saying, that wasn't very cool of you. Okay. Like, that wasn't very cash money of you. Just say it wasn't cool. That was lame. It's cringe, Cara. Cash money is cringe. That's old fashioned. It was kind of like a scolding, basically. What did you do? So Jacki's use, the positive version, that's very cash money of you, said sarcastically was her way of saying, how good of you, but meaning it was the least you can do. Oh. Kind of like, that's mighty white of you. Which is something that people used to say a lot when I was a younger person. And fortunately, I don't hear it very much anymore. No. It's probably on PC. But it has that same meaning. So, for example, and I honestly, I do not know what this was, what the context was. I cannot remember what was going on, but I can think of some examples where this would happen. So I imagined one. Okay. Like if I leave enough iced tea in the jug for one more serving, knowing that she'll want some and I tell her, ‘Hey, I left some iced tea for you’ she would say, well, that's very cash money of you. Which makes me want to just grab the jug… …and chug it?! Real charming. She's a lovely person, but she does not have very good filtering. Oh my gosh. As many autistic people do not. So she says things sometimes that I'm like, wow, bitch. Oh my gosh. But if I were to get on tour about it, it would hurt her feelings. So I just, you know, you pick your battles. True. I just say, okay, well, you're welcome. What does cash money mean? I don't know. I think they just say, I don't know because they know. Oh shit. I probably shouldn't have said that. Oh man. That's what that was. So now you know. Okay. I'm going to talk about sad, Michael Gambon. Oh, I know. I am so. This is just, this hit me. Dumbledore 2.0. And he was, you know, before he was Dumbledore to the world, he was my favorite, like one of my favorite of 50 British actors. Exactly. That's, I have that written down here. One of the 50 British actors has died on September 28th. So a rough one, but he was really, He was very old. Um, it's not as well it is. It's still like a gut check. Like when Alan Rickman died. Oh my gosh. I literally cried when Alan Rickman died. I did, too! I cried at my desk like I knew him. I did not cry when I read about Michael Gambon, but I am, I'm really sad about this. Um, I loved him in Wives and Daughters. Yes. I loved him in Gosford Park, Emma, Cranford, The King Speech. All of them. All of them, so… [whining[ He was a dick in The King Speech. Total dick. He was a chameleon. Like, he just, do you know that when I watched the first Harry Potter movie that he was in, which I think was the third one. Yes. He, I didn't even know that was him. Didn't. Even. Know. That was him. About halfway through it, I was like, man, his voice is familiar. And so then I really started to focus on his voice. And then, you know what did it? His hands. They are strangely long. His fingers are not proportioned to the palm of his hand. And his arms, oh sorry, I'm flailing about, I'm gesticulating everyone. I'm showing Brea my hands. She does not have extremely long fingers. I have kitty paws. I do too. My family, well, mine aren't as, mine aren't as little as yours, but my family makes fun of my hands. How little they are. Sean makes fun of my little hands too. If you will watch him, he has super long arms too. Yes. Very long arms. You know what? Yes! Well, he did have. [collective groan] Anyway, such a good actor. Harry Potter was the first thing I saw him in and like he came to my attention. Oh, okay. Like I didn't know him as an actor before then by name. Okay, gotcha. But then I saw him in everything after that. Then I would notice him in everything. And I was like, oh my gosh, he's in everything. One of the 50 British actors. Yeah, and he was just in a ton of that, all that stuff that I like to watch. The first thing I saw him in that I was like, I want him to be my grandpa was Wives and Daughters. And then I read that book because I loved that show so much. Did you know that the author died before she finished that book? And so there's no ending to it. Who was the author? I knew you were gonna ask and now it's... Oh, good gravy. Because one of those shows that I really love... North and South. Oh, that's such a good show. Not the American Civil War… No! …mini series… ….with Patrick Swayze? RIP. Sorry, Patrick. Not that one but North and South, the British show with Richard Armitage. Grrrr…. growl… oohhh… rarrrrr…. I love that mini series. Oh, Elizabeth Gaskell. Well, yeah, and she wrote North and South. So I tried to read North and South after I watched the mini series, because I liked it so much. I thought, Oh, this will be like a Jane Austen type of deal and I'll read this and really enjoy it better because I will have seen the movie. Sometimes old timey stuff, you kind of have to see it through a modern lens first. It helps. Because then as you're reading, you're like, okay, that translates better. Yes. That book was so boring. I couldn't get through it. No! Oh no! So, wives and daughters, you would have liked to probably get through it, but you couldn't because it wasn't finished. And girl, it's a bug squasher. That book, it is probably three inches thick. Oh my gosh. It is a thick book. When I got to the last page, and there's like this page that says, Elizabeth Gaskell passed away, and it had like a whole explanation as to why the book wasn't finished. I just sat there and stared at it and stared at it. I was like, I have put in so much time to this thick giant book and there's no end. But you already knew the end because, well, whatever end they put on it. I thought I knew the end, yes. Which the end was satisfying from the miniseries, it was good. But… Ian Glenn was in that. Also one of the 50 British actors. Yeah yeah. He's in everything. So okay. I got nostalgic about Michael Gambon. I started looking up all that, he's been in a lot of stuff. So much. So then as I was looking through it, I noticed he was the narrator for this show called Uptown Downstairs Abbey. Oh my Lord… This is a parody of Downton Abbey, obviously, and it was for Comic Relief’s Red Nose Day 12 years ago. Oh, okay. There's two parts and each part is like six minutes long. If you are a Downton Abbey fan, yeah It's on YouTube. Just you can look it up and watch both of these. I was crying. Oh my gosh, I can't I can't think about it because if I start to think about it, I'm gonna start to laugh I'm gonna lose it. It was hilarious. Okay. It's got a bunch of famous actors in it. Oh, yeah… Kim Cattrall plays Cora. It is a riot. You have to watch these. That's the whole point of Comic Relief is that they have big name people. And that's how they get, you know, fundraised. Yes. You got to watch these. Like I said, they're each about six minutes long. Totally worth it. So, then I looked up Comic Relief because I don't know much about it. I know about Red Nose Day, but that's about all I know. This was created in 1985 in response to the famine in Ethiopia. I didn't know that. And today it's morphed a little bit. But the vision that they follow today is a just world free from poverty. And their goal is to drive positive change through the world of entertainment. I got on their website. They're doing, um, fundraising for all of these horrible things like the flooding and the earthquake that are going on right now. So they're constantly, it's almost like convoy of hope, really. So they're constantly doing this fundraising. I didn't know that. I thought they just kind of did this telethon once a year and boom, it was over. But it's a constant thing and it's a big charity. This isn't little rinky dink thing. They have raised so much money over the years. So much money. Anyway, if you want to interested, the annual telethon is every March. The first live telethon was held in 1986 and it featured Rowan Atkinson, Billy Connolly, Stephen Fry and Kate Bush. Wouldn't you love to see that? I tried to find that. I bet that was hilarious. I couldn't find it anywhere. Oh my gosh, Rowan Atkinson, Billy Connolly, Stephen Fry? Get out of here! Billy Connolly is one of my favorites. Me too! Have you ever watched Mrs. Brown? Yes, of course I have. Oh, I love that show. With Jame Doody. Jame Doody! We shall walk now, Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown. I love Jane Doody. I do too, I love, she's one of the 50 British actors. You know what Peyton was saying about Michael Gambon when I told him Dumbledore 2.0 died today. And you know Harry Potter is- Not his thing! Not his thing. But now all of a sudden he has a favorite actor from Harry Potter. or character. He said, Maggie Smith's character. He didn't even call her character name. Oh. It was Maggie Smith. He's such a little gay child. I wonder. Knows all the old ladies' names. I said, yeah, Professor McGonagall. And he said, yes, Maggie Smith. I love her mom. And I said, she's probably going to be coming up here soon, buddy. Bite your tongue. You know that, you know she is though. I know, I know. That was the end of my Michael Gambon search. RIP buddy. I'm gonna miss him so much. I know, and he died of pneumonia. I know! Very sad, very sad. 84. What's your next search? Well speaking of dead celebrities. Oh yes? Thomas Kinkade, community. Vallejo, California. I hope I'm saying that right. Even if that’s not correct let's say it like that. It’s fun! Yeah, it's about 30 minutes outside of San Francisco. Okay. That's where we are. Here's the context. I am still binging The Dollop because I like to laugh and they make me laugh. And this was an episode about Thomas Kinkade. Episode 77. For those who don't know who Thomas Kinkade is though, or was. Living under a rock, are you? Well, maybe. But maybe you just don't know. Y ou couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting something that was Thomas Kinkade, what, 15 years ago? Yeah, 20 years ago actually. Okay. But yes, he was a 20th and 21st century American Christian artist who called himself the painter of light. He had a very distinctive style and specialized in paintings of Cotswold, cozy cottages and lighthouses and gazebos and things like that. My mother-in-law loves Thomas Kinkade. Aha. A lot of people do. I mean, he wouldn't be as popular as he is if people didn't love him. Well, he called himself the most popular American artist of all time. Oh, indeed. His art was and still is heavily commercialized and mass-produced, duplicated, and every kind of merchandise you can imagine. I once saw a CD that goes along with Thomas Kinkade paintings. What? How does that work? It was music inspired by Thomas Kinkade paintings and I was like ‘give it up!’ Oh my gosh that is a reach. So you buy this CD and you stare at your painting you're like mm-hmm yep this works. You mean your poster or your coffee mug or your or your jewelry box or your greeting cards or your music box or your throw pillows and blankets. Oh the throw pillows and blankets! Or your puzzles. You do a puzzle and listen to your Thomas Kinkade CD. Now that would make more sense. Mouse pads. All the things. It was never Ending. Everything. How much is that guy worth? Um, nothing now because he's dead. Oh, that's right. You said he was deed. But, um, I and I don't know how much his estate is worth or how much because I mean it's still going. His website is still up and running and like you can buy anything Thomas Kingade. Turns out he was kind of a dick, which is not shocking. Somebody calls himself the painter of light and calls himself the most popular artist. He was also very criticized by the art world because he was so commercialized. People thought it wasn't really art. The fact that it was all of his prints were duplicated so many times and he would say that they were originals because he had a warehouse full of people who would just add little touches to the paintings or to the copies, the prints, to make them originals. Oh my gosh. Wow. Stuff like that. Interesting. I mean it was a little bit whatever. More fairly, he was a very flawed human being. Okay. He had an alcohol problem. Oh, no kidding. And a drug problem. Oh my gosh, I didn't know that. And that's actually how he died. Oh, no kidding. You're shocking me right now. He acted out of control while he was doing these things. Oh my goodness. At the height of his popularity in 2002, he collaborated with an architectural firm and developer to design homes for a neighborhood in called the Village at Hiddenbrook. It has 101 homes in it, and it even has a slogan. Calm, not chaos, peace, not pressure. Don't you wanna live there? Oh my gosh. It's on a golf course designed by Arnold Palmer. But there are no schools or churches, and there are very few commercial properties, so it's not really a village. Okay. There is however, a Thomas King K gallery. I think I just hurt my eye muscles. Hidden Brook is a larger community that this village is inside of. It's a master plan community, which basically just means tract housing of 10 neighborhoods with a total of 1200 homes. Okay. It is massive. The four model homes originally in the village neighborhood were named after his children, the Everett, the Windsor, the Chandler, and the Merritt. And some of the streets are named after his paintings, such as Summer Gate and Rose Arbor Way. I'm so relaxed. The style of the houses can typically be described as craftsman, tutor, or French provincial. Okay. Kincade did not design any of the homes, but his artwork was heavily featured in the model homes. Wait, so did the homes look like the homes that he was painting? That was the idea. Okay. That they were, that, you know, it was this, right, they were supposed to be inspired by the- Okay. The Kincaidian looking, you know, cottages or whatever. Yes. But he wasn't impressed with the neighborhood when it was finished. And most people agree with him that it's not quaint enough to fit his brand. And I've looked at pictures of it. I mean, they're nice looking homes. I'm not saying that they're not, they're very attractive homes. And they do have that French provincial or craftsman or, but, It's cookie cutter. You know what I mean? Like there are a few styles of home and then they're duplicated throughout the neighborhood. Right. And you're not allowed to paint your house a different color. Like what the color of the house that you buy. That's it. Gotcha. You can't change it. You're not supposed to park your cars on the street. Of course. Because that takes away from the ambiance. Of course. But it doesn't have that Cotswold cottage-y... That Thomas Kincade feel. Right. It doesn't, it just, it didn't hit the mark. So this was built about 20 years ago? This was built in 2002. Okay. At the height of his fame. Now before he died even a house in the neighborhood on Rose Arbor way is currently listed on truly a four bedroom, four bath, 2,700 square feet. And that's about the average. They're about that. Okay. $850,000. That is not as much as I was expecting. Not bad for California… …and 2700 square feet is a big house. That's a big house. He died suddenly on April 6, 2012 at the age of 54. Wow. Yeah, he was fairly young. And when he died, there was a similar community planned in Columbia, Missouri. Really? But the deal fell through and never amounted to anything. My sources were sanfranciscogate.com and salon.com and Trulia. Continuing with our dead person theme. Yes. Is Bill Paxton dead? Is he? Yes. Yes, he is dead. So I was scrolling Instagram last night before my downtime setting kicked in. Good girl. One hour per 24 hours. That's all I get. It's working. I saw Helen Hunt as I was scrolling through the reels and she had taken a selfie with a copy of Twister. Oh my gosh… And what she had written in the message at the bottom, all it said was “Thrifting.” So, she took a selfie. It was really funny. I laughed. Listen, Twister is one of my faves. Oh my gosh! Is the best bad movie ever made. Sean and I like to watch it when it's really stormy outside. [laughing] We put on Twister! Some numbskull left a comment on Helen's posting. Of course. And said something about, it's too bad Bill Paxton's dead. At first I was like, ‘Jerk!’ And then I was like, ‘wait, Bill Paxton's dead?? What?!’ So I looked it up. We all know how terrible my memory is. And I probably did know this when it happened and have just forgotten it. Cause my brain can only hold so many celebrity deaths. And it's gotta move on. It hasn't been that long. It was 2017. Oh geez. I know. Old lady. I thought if I searched it and read about it, it would jog my memory, but it really didn't. It was February 2017. He died from a stroke after surgery a heart valve and repair aorta damage. I still don't remember this so I thought, ‘I'm going to search other celebrity deaths from 2017’ because sometimes you're like oh gosh Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett died on the same day. Maybe that will... yeah it didn't help but here's a list of some celebrities that died in 2017. Great. I looked up on IMDB I was like I'll just search this. 5,376 names came up as deaths in 2017 on IMDb. Good grief. I did not list 5,376 names. I'm not hanging around for that. Here's just a few…I wouldn't blame you…Here are just a few of the more well-known people that died the same year Bill Paxton died: Adam West, Roger Moore, inferior James Bond. Me. I know Mary Tyler Moore, Martin Landau, Jerry Lewis, David Cassidy, Don Rickles, Robert Guillaume, Jay Thomas --do you remember Jay Thomas? Oh yeah. Uh, Della Reese, Jim neighbors –Gooolly!! That's a good one. I can't ever say his name without saying it. Hugh Hefner. Tom Petty! That was the year Tom Petty died. Doesn't it seem like Tom Petty just died like last year? No, that seems like a long time ago to me. It feels like that was...that is stuck in my brain for whatever reason. I don't even like Tom Petty. But I know that he's gone. I'm sorry, I'm not a Tom Petty fan. Glen Campbell. Chris Cornell! I forgot that Chris Cornell had died. You know who that is? Why am I blanking? Lead singer, lead singer of Sound Garden and Audio Slave. Oh, yeah! Charles Manson died in 2017. Earl Hyman. Do you remember Earl Hyman? He was Bill Cosby's dad on the Cosby show, which has been ruined for me for my entire life. Mel Tillis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Wendy Pepper. Did you watch project runway? No. Oh, Wendy Pepper is the contestant that you love to hate. Oh, you know me. Fashion. You're not into fashion. Yeah, you're right. It's not my thing. Not your thing. Laura Sellers would know who Wendy Pepper is. She does know, I'm sure. Erin Moran, which is Joni on Happy Days. I didn't know she had died. She died young, she had cancer. Mr. Ollivander, John Hurt, he died that year. And Cornelius Fudge, Robert Hardy. That's just a very, very short list of well-known people that died in 2017. None of those deaths helped me remember that Bill Paxton is dead. I'm still a little bit shocked. I'm not convinced that I knew that he had died. Anyway, do you want to talk more about death? So much so. Because my last search is also about death. Okay, man, this is weird. We didn't even coordinate this. There's a lot of death talk in this one. This is a xylotomy. The context is I'm reading that book “No Stone Unturned” by Steve Jackson. The book about the development of modern forensics and police work. Yes, yes, yes. Are you enjoying it? It's so interesting. Okay, cool. It's fascinating. I can't wait to read. That's going to be my next read. As a matter of fact, once I wrap up, Prue Leith. The author in this particular part of the book was discussing the Lindbergh baby kidnapping and murder case and how one of the pieces of evidence against the man they arrested, tried and executed, Hauptman, was his name, was wood from the ladder that was used to access the nursery. And the forensic scientist who testified was a xylotomist, a specialist in the field of botany. Xylotomy is the preparation of small slivers or cross sections of wood for examination under a microscope. Often this is used to determine the origin of the wood. So, in the Lindbergh case, the xylotomist traced the lumber from the ladder to the southern mill that produced it. Then he tracked it to a lumberyard in the Bronx where Hopptman, the suspect, had once worked. Oh my gosh. In addition, that same expert and a detective found carpentry tools that had imperfections that matched a pattern of marks in the ladders wood. Oh, that's cool. And they found spots in the attic where boards had been removed and a study of the wood in the attic microscopically matched the cellular makeup of the boards used to make the ladder. Oh my gosh! Case closed. That is nuts. Dun dun! Right! I mean, this is back in the day. That is cool. Yeah. I was fascinated by that. Yes. But they just called this guy, Kohler was his name, K-O-E-H-L-E-R. They just called him a xylotomist. Like, we're all supposed to just know. So I had to look it up to just figure out exactly what that was. And then I could go on and. I could have figured it out by context what they were saying, you know, hey, sure. He analyzed the wood in the ladder, but I just wanted to make sure. The more you know… The more you know. The star just went across my brain. So my next search and my last search is called off-piste meaning. Oh yes. Do you know what this is? I don't know why I keep asking you. Use it in a sentence. I'm planning to go skiing off-piste tomorrow on the Swiss Alps. Oh no, I've looked this up before because I've read it in books. Okay well. But I don't remember. That is the literal meaning. I know what you're thinking because this, that's the reason I looked it up. So, this is another phrase from Peaky Blinders. Oh, Yes. Oh, and that one guy just did that one thing and the lady died. That's where I'm at. OK! It's getting…I'm ready to move on from Pinky Blinders. Like it's I can't believe how much is happening. It's hard to keep up with. The literal meaning of off-piste, which is spelled P I S T E. It has to do with skiing, so it surprises me that I didn't already know this with all the skiing that I do. Yeah, you're such a snow bunny. Literally means situated or taking place away from prepared ski runs. So, like off the track? Off the track! Okay. Um, off piste skiing is any terrain that sits outside of piste markers. This could be right on the side of a ski run or way off in the backcountry. All right? So, they said in Peaky Blinders, they had this plan and they're like, ‘let's not go off piste; stick to the plan.’ Right. I was like, uh, I mean, by context, you know what that means. But I just never heard the word piste before. And it doesn't look like it should be pronounced that way. It's probably French. Because of the Alps. I didn't even think to look at the origin or the etymology of this. You're probably right. I've always wanted to try skiing. But I would definitely die. It would be a Sonny Bono situation. Too soon? Too soon. Sorry. I definitely would either break a bone or... I would fall and hit my head and it would be, you know... Curtains. I'm surprised I haven't hit my head in my tile kitchen floor yet. I am too, actually. Let's not do that. Okay. But what about this one? What about this one? I've got five other searches from this past week. Five? Yep. I beat you by probably 20. It was a short week. I looked up a lot of stuff. You did. Um, we didn't have time to discuss it in this episode, but maybe you will want to hear about it and get in touch with us and say, Hey, talk about this. Yeah. Some of these are real great. Starting with the first one. Yep. Skin tag removal. Gross. Two, Michael Gambon. Three, houses for rent in my area. Four, why doesn't Aldi carry Pepsi products? Full question. Number five, vegetable to pair with chicken tortellini. Nom. It was delicious. All right, are you ready for this? I'm ready for your 25. Sit back. Tatanka iotanka slash Sitting Bull slash hunkpapa. Good pronunciation. Thank you. Postmodern Jukebox, books on Pacific theater of World War II. Why is there so much smoke at the Raiders Steelers game? Did you see that? No. I was like, what is going on there? I didn't watch that game. How does Fubo choose NFL games it airs? The Little Wonder, Gas Hedge Trimmer, Home Depot Tool Rental, Honda Financial Services, Iris has come home to roost. I gotta start making payments on her. Oh, dang. Movie reviews for TAR, Cadfiel TV show, 1994. There's an old-school cozy mystery show for you. I've watched -- tried to watch it. Oh, not a fan? I could not get into it, but I love that guy. Derek Jacobi. My dad loved Cadfiel. Loved it. Really? Yes. Green Bay Hall of Fame inductees. Is Julian Firth related to Colin Firth? No. What is M.E. disease, Bob Menendez, Kelsey Brothers podcast, Clearview AI, and last but not least: Is the song I've Got a Gal in Kalamazoo public domain. It is not. Shoot. I cut it out. Oh good. So I can't sing. I've got a gal in Kalamazoo, Matt, listener Matt. I was gonna sing a song for you last episode but I can’t. I had to cut it. Hey, speaking of some shoutouts... Yes. …I have some. We have some new self-reporting listeners. Hey, alright. Yeah, yeah. One of my kids actually decided to support me. My oldest, my favorite: Caleb. Clob! I’m kidding he's not my favorite. But he's not NOT my favorite. Caleb loves it by the way. He says it's great and he's a podcast listener. And also work buds Beth S and Steve G. Beth and Steve! Beth and Steve. Steve listens with his wife in the car and I didn't get her name and I feel terrible about that because I hate that whole Steve's wife. Anyway, sorry Steve's wife. You're obviously his better half because I know Steve. No, listen, Steve, he would say the same thing if he had a podcast and an open mic. He would, he is a goofball. He's hilarious. Oh my word. But he really loved the gerbil beds. Bespoke bras. Those are my shout outs. Excellent. Well, thanks guys for listening! I loooove new listeners! Me too. So, what's Hopper's list? Okay, so Hopper sent me her searches. She's doing really good. I convinced her to just keep sending them to me. She goes, but they're so boring. I said, no, they're not. Here we go: Girl's pink dress with vintage strawberries. Flights to Eugene, Oregon. Full moon, September, 2023. How, oh my gosh, this one made me laugh. So, what you need to know about Hopper, she is addicted to coffee. Cold brew right now is her thing. How to make hazelnut syrup, How to roast hazelnuts. She's getting serious. Sticker paper. Smoked trout dip. And harnesses for corgis. How can people get ahold of us? Oh, man, they can email us at delete this history podcast at gmail.com. Or they can interact with us on social media @DTH gals on Instagram and Twitter, or Delete this History on Facebook. Yes. And we might not be the fastest about interacting and getting back to you on Facebook or the socials but we will eventually see it and interact. Yes, we have full-time jobs, we have families. Yes, but we really do appreciate the people who, especially who consistently come on and comment on the posts that we make because that's what makes it fun. We don't do it just because we're like, hey, it's so much fun to make social media posts. The interaction is the fun part. Now though, the library is seriously about to shut down. So, now I gotta go delete my history. Me too! All right, let's do it! Okay. Okay, bye. Bye! Delete This History is created, written, hosted, produced, and edited by Brea Brown and Cara Burch. Theme music is so good by Orkas. Email us at delete this history podcast at gmail.com. Find us on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook at DTHGals. Copyright 2023, all rights reserved. Weak immune systems provided by not-so-fast-living and poor dietary choices. Nom nom nom. [laughing and outro music]