WEBVTT 00:00:02.189 --> 00:00:11.810 It's Dan Time. Grab a seat. It's Dan Time. Yeah. 00:00:11.949 --> 00:00:22.230 It's Dan Time. Only dance on the line. Only dance 00:00:22.230 --> 00:00:27.730 all the time. This is the Dan Time podcast with 00:00:27.730 --> 00:00:38.700 your host, Dan McGarrett. Hey folks, welcome 00:00:38.700 --> 00:00:42.219 to a brand new episode here of the Dan Time podcast. 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:49.039 It is 2026 and Dan Time has, as you can see, 00:00:49.179 --> 00:00:52.880 has not gone away. I haven't been run off by 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:58.920 the big major podcast entities and, um, and figured 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:01.579 out, okay, this, this is just a big pond. I need 00:01:01.579 --> 00:01:05.200 to get out of it. I'm still here. Really excited. 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.319 We've been trying to do this for some time. Maybe 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.319 this time last year my guest today and I were 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.299 trying to reconnect and I got to tell you this 00:01:14.299 --> 00:01:17.500 is Super exciting for me. I've actually got a 00:01:17.500 --> 00:01:19.540 little bit of the nerves going again because 00:01:19.540 --> 00:01:22.760 this is one of my favorite guests He needs no 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.319 introduction. I'll paint some color as we go 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:28.640 along here to remind you who he is, but First 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:31.939 appeared on episode number eight October of 2023 00:01:31.939 --> 00:01:36.469 then a follow -up holiday episode on Christmas 00:01:36.469 --> 00:01:41.230 Eve 2023 episode 21. Here we are number 106. 00:01:41.489 --> 00:01:45.950 Mr. Dan Gabelka is back. How are you today, Dan? 00:01:46.890 --> 00:01:49.329 Hi, I bring greetings from the great green north. 00:01:50.290 --> 00:01:51.829 Yes, sir. I don't have a whole lot of snow right 00:01:51.829 --> 00:01:56.530 now, but that's OK. And I don't know if you can 00:01:56.530 --> 00:01:59.370 see in the background the crutches. Yeah, I'm 00:01:59.370 --> 00:02:01.069 coming to you from the disabled list as well. 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.319 I heard about this, so about a month ago, before 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:09.360 Christmas, you tore your Achilles, I understand. 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:12.139 Well, you know the saying, no good deed goes 00:02:12.139 --> 00:02:16.520 unpunished? Well, my friend and I were delivering 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.000 sandwiches and bag lunches to folks who live 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:22.159 in the motels, the drug houses, and the encampments. 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:25.379 And at the one motel, they didn't clean out the 00:02:25.379 --> 00:02:27.379 parking lot, and his car got stuck. So I, being 00:02:27.379 --> 00:02:30.259 a fool, got out and tried to push his car, and 00:02:30.259 --> 00:02:33.439 I tore my Achilles tendon right across. And just 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:36.180 as a bit of advice to people who tear their Achilles 00:02:36.180 --> 00:02:40.800 tendons, it didn't hurt that much. Like my foot 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.300 is flat, it didn't hurt. Heel was down, didn't 00:02:43.300 --> 00:02:45.759 hurt. I got up on the toes and I just feel like 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:49.659 somebody kicked me in the calf. So. And another 00:02:49.659 --> 00:02:51.379 bit of advice is I've been doing research on 00:02:51.379 --> 00:02:53.139 torn Achilles tendons and there's a real spike 00:02:53.139 --> 00:02:55.360 right now and all the doctors said it's due to 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.000 the same thing, which is pickleball. Is that 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.159 right? Oh, yeah. All these old guys like us think 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:04.259 we can go out and play pickleball. So they're 00:03:04.259 --> 00:03:06.240 seeing a lot of those too. So anyway, I'll be 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:07.960 in the boot for about three months and then probably 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:11.039 another three to six months of rehab after that. 00:03:11.939 --> 00:03:14.580 So. Well, Dan, when something like this unexpected 00:03:14.580 --> 00:03:18.439 happens with you after the well -documented things 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:20.800 that you've been through, how do you handle a 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:25.360 setback like this? Remember my motto, Dan? Make 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:29.199 it work. Make it work, yeah. And you always... 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.419 A series of problems come up, you just have to 00:03:31.419 --> 00:03:33.780 solve them one at a time. The hardest part for 00:03:33.780 --> 00:03:35.439 me is going to be mental because I can't get 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:38.719 out and do those things I enjoy doing. Right. 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:41.659 And so this is going to kind of drive me nuts 00:03:41.659 --> 00:03:45.060 just not being able to be active. But we'll get 00:03:45.060 --> 00:03:48.680 by. We'll get by. Now, and Dan, we're coming 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:52.340 up on registration here. If anybody listening 00:03:52.340 --> 00:03:55.699 is in the Chatham -Kent area, it just so happens 00:03:55.699 --> 00:03:58.879 to be. And you've got family members, friends. 00:03:59.069 --> 00:04:02.569 between the ages of 8 and 18, special needs, 00:04:02.650 --> 00:04:05.949 looking for a fun new activity. You mentioned 00:04:05.949 --> 00:04:07.949 to me that you're launching the Challenger soccer 00:04:07.949 --> 00:04:11.030 program. Is this the first season? This is our 00:04:11.030 --> 00:04:13.490 first season. I told the soccer folks that we 00:04:13.490 --> 00:04:15.150 do it on one condition, that we played indoors. 00:04:16.290 --> 00:04:18.370 I've had a lot of nervous breakdowns over weather. 00:04:20.670 --> 00:04:23.009 I'm never quite open to it. One of the things 00:04:23.009 --> 00:04:26.740 I find gratifying that I push is rather than 00:04:26.740 --> 00:04:29.079 create our own organization, we've gone to different 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.740 sports organization and said, we want you to 00:04:31.740 --> 00:04:33.920 incorporate these folks into your organization. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.439 We want you to expand your mandate to include 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:40.100 folks with special needs. I'm not a soccer coach. 00:04:40.740 --> 00:04:42.779 So I set it up and I said, you guys supply the 00:04:42.779 --> 00:04:45.480 coaches. I'll show you how to set it up. And 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:47.779 originally we thought we'd have to buy a portable 00:04:47.779 --> 00:04:51.300 field. I don't know if you've seen them. They're 00:04:51.300 --> 00:04:54.920 inflatable fields. And when you know it, about 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.420 two months ago, somebody put up a new indoor 00:04:57.420 --> 00:05:00.240 sports facility here in Chatham. I'm going to 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:01.620 give them a plug because they deserve it. They 00:05:01.620 --> 00:05:04.959 call it the Flexplex. And it's like a big warehouse, 00:05:05.060 --> 00:05:07.839 but they have like six volleyball courts, two 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:10.040 indoor soccer facilities, beach volleyball, the 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.139 whole thing. And we went to them and said, this 00:05:12.139 --> 00:05:15.860 is perfect for us. Five on five size field. And 00:05:15.860 --> 00:05:19.139 the guy says, I want to do this because our organization 00:05:19.139 --> 00:05:21.500 or our business, and it is a business. We want 00:05:21.500 --> 00:05:24.139 to make sure it's open to everyone. that we're 00:05:24.139 --> 00:05:26.980 inclusive. And that's why I don't mind giving 00:05:26.980 --> 00:05:30.519 them a plug. And here we have a business that's 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:34.120 saying we're going to expand our mandate to include 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.300 folks with special needs. That's wonderful. And 00:05:36.300 --> 00:05:38.459 that's really something I didn't count on when 00:05:38.459 --> 00:05:40.360 we started the baseball. But something has happened 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:42.720 I think is very important. I know we have a couple 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:45.019 of churches around here who have set up programs 00:05:45.019 --> 00:05:48.420 for folks with special needs. So even the churches 00:05:48.420 --> 00:05:52.660 are saying we have to expand our mandate. To 00:05:52.660 --> 00:05:54.800 deal with folks and special needs and that to 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.699 me is really really important Dan maybe something 00:05:57.699 --> 00:06:01.279 I didn't ask you on the previous episodes the 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:04.100 Challenger baseball players that you've been 00:06:04.100 --> 00:06:06.379 involved with over the years and over the decades 00:06:06.379 --> 00:06:10.720 really Have you had a chance I'm sure you have 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:13.699 to watch some of them grow and some of these 00:06:13.699 --> 00:06:17.360 kids that Maybe had the same inside joke that 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:19.779 they can come back to you with from 10 years 00:06:19.779 --> 00:06:23.339 ago 15 years ago and you still laugh and do a 00:06:23.339 --> 00:06:26.720 special handshake or something? Well about five 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:29.980 years ago we were playing indoors and this was 00:06:29.980 --> 00:06:33.060 Lisa's first game ever and her first at bat and 00:06:33.060 --> 00:06:35.720 we used the big rubber balls indoors and she 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:37.540 lined one up the middle and took a right square 00:06:37.540 --> 00:06:44.199 off my beak. It has made her summer and every 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.759 time I see her now she talks about how she how 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.259 she hit the coach in the nose so At the end of 00:06:49.259 --> 00:06:52.220 the year, we, we created an award called the 00:06:52.220 --> 00:06:57.100 please don't kill the coach award. So every year, 00:06:57.240 --> 00:06:59.600 the person who lines it up the middle of the 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:01.699 most, it gets the award for trying to kill the 00:07:01.699 --> 00:07:06.720 coach. You know what, Dan, it brings a little 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.480 bit of humanity to it. Yeah. You know, I mean, 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:11.839 they're more than just ballplayers. And to me, 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.379 they're like, and I may have mentioned this, 00:07:14.699 --> 00:07:18.120 like kids that didn't get to have. Right. And. 00:07:18.629 --> 00:07:21.430 Some of your viewers would know that because 00:07:21.430 --> 00:07:26.069 of genetics, I had a bad heart and it was a wise 00:07:26.069 --> 00:07:28.430 but regrettable decision not to have children 00:07:28.430 --> 00:07:30.389 of my own because I was afraid of passing along 00:07:30.389 --> 00:07:34.470 the genes. I didn't get to have kids and I liken 00:07:34.470 --> 00:07:37.250 it to the Field of Dreams movie but in reverse. 00:07:38.089 --> 00:07:39.670 He made a field so he could play catch with his 00:07:39.670 --> 00:07:41.649 dad. I created a program so I could play catch 00:07:41.649 --> 00:07:44.470 with my kids. I didn't get to have. And whenever 00:07:44.470 --> 00:07:46.829 I see them out on the street, always hide Coach 00:07:46.829 --> 00:07:50.389 Dan as Coach Dan. And after I retired I said 00:07:50.389 --> 00:07:53.050 you call me Dan now not gonna work. It's coach 00:07:53.050 --> 00:07:56.149 Dan always coach Dan always coach Dan and their 00:07:56.149 --> 00:07:59.170 friends who don't play baseball see me as coach 00:07:59.170 --> 00:08:03.750 Dan, so Yeah, it's a nice little addition to 00:08:03.750 --> 00:08:05.990 my life if you will, it's just as I added to 00:08:05.990 --> 00:08:10.089 theirs and The other thing I wanted to mention 00:08:10.089 --> 00:08:14.889 my first heart donor was 19. We died There's 00:08:14.889 --> 00:08:17.860 Lee and he didn't get to have a legacy you know, 00:08:17.899 --> 00:08:20.620 when you were 19, Dan McCarvel, what do we know 00:08:20.620 --> 00:08:24.019 him for? Right. So the first time I visited his 00:08:24.019 --> 00:08:26.439 mother and I said, you know, Lee didn't get to 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:30.519 have a legacy, but he has my legacy now. And 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.019 all those things I do are part of Lee's, directly 00:08:33.019 --> 00:08:35.220 part of Lee's legacy. And that's kind of, kind 00:08:35.220 --> 00:08:37.460 of how I look at it. And it's been, it made us 00:08:37.460 --> 00:08:40.500 losing her son a lot more tolerable if that's 00:08:40.500 --> 00:08:44.610 possible, you know, for my donor mom. So. And 00:08:44.610 --> 00:08:46.549 in case you haven't caught up to you since my 00:08:46.549 --> 00:08:49.570 last testing procedures The doctor looked at 00:08:49.570 --> 00:08:51.129 my test results and said we don't know it's gonna 00:08:51.129 --> 00:08:55.289 kill you damn. It won't be your heart And for 00:08:55.289 --> 00:08:56.990 those who don't listen or I haven't listen I've 00:08:56.990 --> 00:09:00.710 had two heart transplants So I don't want to 00:09:00.710 --> 00:09:03.090 assume everybody knows that yeah folks if you 00:09:03.090 --> 00:09:06.850 haven't heard on the Episode 8 is we're really 00:09:06.850 --> 00:09:09.110 going to some detail and then some more episode 00:09:09.110 --> 00:09:12.389 21 But yeah, Dan had his first heart transplant 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.879 1989 and then a second in 2000. Is that right? 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:21.360 Yeah, and I wrote this down. I think this was 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:25.879 after The brain tumor. Yes, right where before 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:30.000 the brain tumor wasn't in 2020 Okay, and maybe 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.279 that's where the doctors or somebody gave you 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.019 or had the remark of you're a cockroach Dan We 00:09:35.019 --> 00:09:37.159 just can't kill you can't get rid of you. Yes, 00:09:37.179 --> 00:09:39.960 right Yeah, when it first my first heart checkup 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.980 after my brain tumor My recipient coordinator 00:09:42.980 --> 00:09:45.379 says, we just can't get rid of you. You're like 00:09:45.379 --> 00:09:49.399 a cockroach. And then when the nuclear war happens, 00:09:49.500 --> 00:09:51.539 it's you and the cockroaches to repopulate the 00:09:51.539 --> 00:09:57.759 earth. And people have different sayings or pictures 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.659 that kind of denote their journey through the 00:10:00.659 --> 00:10:02.840 transplant process. And I thought, what a better 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.460 for my life than a cockroach. Because no matter 00:10:05.460 --> 00:10:09.139 what happens, I just keep coming back. I told 00:10:09.139 --> 00:10:13.399 someone when I ruptured my Achilles tendon. God 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:15.159 gave me a superpower and that superpower was 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:19.679 healing. Yeah. I seem to heal real well. So I 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.179 have confidence that we'll get through this thing 00:10:21.179 --> 00:10:23.240 with my leg. You know, we'll get back to where 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.340 we want to be. Well, the torn Achilles aside, 00:10:26.500 --> 00:10:29.200 Dan, I wanted to comment from the moment that 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.299 we logged on and we've now seen each other for 00:10:31.299 --> 00:10:34.519 the first time. And has it really been two years? 00:10:34.659 --> 00:10:38.039 Is that something like that? Yeah. You look great. 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:42.049 You really do. Look happy you look healthy. There's 00:10:42.049 --> 00:10:49.110 a reason for that. I have a girlfriend. Oh Yeah, 00:10:49.129 --> 00:10:52.389 that'll do it I am in a committed monogamous 00:10:52.389 --> 00:10:56.070 relationship for one year and a half now and 00:10:56.070 --> 00:10:58.230 she lives directly below me in my apartment building 00:10:58.230 --> 00:11:01.750 and For Christmas last year. I got a broomstick 00:11:01.750 --> 00:11:03.610 with a note on it said not three times on the 00:11:03.610 --> 00:11:13.440 ceiling if you want me Nope and But because Brenda 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.580 lives one floor below me we see no point in actually 00:11:15.580 --> 00:11:19.519 moving in together and Wow, I've been by myself 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.360 for 20 years that would be a big adjustment And 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:24.299 she's been by herself for over 30. So I've been 00:11:24.299 --> 00:11:26.399 too much my adjustment. So we're we're very happy 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.940 Dan. That's it is a perfect arrangement there. 00:11:29.620 --> 00:11:33.259 Oh Yeah, I think he says why aren't you getting 00:11:33.259 --> 00:11:36.879 married we say why? Just live in the same complex. 00:11:36.980 --> 00:11:39.970 Yeah. Oh, yeah she's like i said she's just one 00:11:39.970 --> 00:11:43.429 floor directly below me so now the only problem 00:11:43.429 --> 00:11:46.830 with the the killies are they by the second floor 00:11:46.830 --> 00:11:49.409 and we don't have an elevator but the problem 00:11:49.409 --> 00:11:52.809 is the laundry things like laundry trying to 00:11:52.809 --> 00:11:54.309 get my laundry down two flights of stairs and 00:11:54.309 --> 00:11:58.289 back up yeah but like i said earlier um you take 00:11:58.289 --> 00:12:01.169 one problem at a time and how are we going to 00:12:01.169 --> 00:12:04.019 make this work how do we fix this And the truth 00:12:04.019 --> 00:12:06.899 is, there's no shortage of parents from the General 00:12:06.899 --> 00:12:08.360 Challenger or baseball program that are willing 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:11.519 to come over and help me out with stuff and give 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.179 me rides if I need it. So the good news, if there 00:12:14.179 --> 00:12:17.779 is any, is I hurt my left leg so I can still 00:12:17.779 --> 00:12:21.059 drive. Getting out of the car from the apartment 00:12:21.059 --> 00:12:24.460 building is the problem. I'll be on crutches 00:12:24.460 --> 00:12:26.720 now for probably another couple of months. And 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:28.980 it's kind of nice with our socialized medicine 00:12:28.980 --> 00:12:33.799 up here. My physiotherapy is free. So it's on 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:36.360 all that so I can get all the physio I want so 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:38.840 that's a worry. I don't have Yeah, we talked 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:41.240 about that maybe on the first episode that yeah, 00:12:41.580 --> 00:12:43.919 if you go back to 1989 and let's just say you 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.659 live in Detroit Yes, we're not talking today. 00:12:46.740 --> 00:12:48.820 Like would this isn't happening. Oh, no. Oh, 00:12:48.820 --> 00:12:52.440 no. Oh, no. Oh, no And back in 89, I don't know 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.580 if I mentioned it. They're still considered experimental 00:12:55.580 --> 00:12:59.779 that heart transplants and everybody in the And 00:12:59.779 --> 00:13:02.000 the operating room that night was paid except 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.279 me and the doctor, the surgeon, because he didn't 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:06.139 get paid for doing the heart transplant because 00:13:06.139 --> 00:13:08.559 it was still experimental. But what that showed 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.460 me was his goal was to keep me alive and he didn't 00:13:11.460 --> 00:13:14.019 care about the money. And that loyalty is something 00:13:14.019 --> 00:13:17.340 that I really count on and I need. And all of 00:13:17.340 --> 00:13:19.379 your listeners who have had organ transplants, 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:22.620 they will tell you communication with your team 00:13:22.620 --> 00:13:26.840 is incredibly important. That's really key. And 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.149 I've got a good team. And if they don't respond, 00:13:30.190 --> 00:13:34.549 I just talk a little louder. Well, I didn't get 00:13:34.549 --> 00:13:37.870 this far by taking it easy. Dan, before we get 00:13:37.870 --> 00:13:40.350 too far along, I do want to call out a photo 00:13:40.350 --> 00:13:44.889 that you shared with me. And you said, hey, let's 00:13:44.889 --> 00:13:47.250 merge this into the conversation today. What 00:13:47.250 --> 00:13:52.250 is going on here with this? It looks like a potted 00:13:52.250 --> 00:13:54.490 plant of some sort that's been furnished into 00:13:54.490 --> 00:13:58.200 a decorated tree. We were delivering sandwiches 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.480 out to one of the encampments. And it's winter 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:04.460 and there's snow. And I look in the middle of 00:14:04.460 --> 00:14:07.279 this encampment and there's this tree that looks 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.460 like it does not belong there. It was Charlie 00:14:10.460 --> 00:14:13.059 Brown's Christmas tree. Oh, man. As soon as I 00:14:13.059 --> 00:14:15.799 saw it, I went Charlie Brown. And Dan, for these 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:19.419 folks, tomorrow is the same as today. And then 00:14:19.419 --> 00:14:22.600 tomorrow after that, like, they don't see themselves 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:25.500 as having a future. And every day is pretty much 00:14:25.500 --> 00:14:28.059 the same. But you know what, they took time to 00:14:28.059 --> 00:14:31.480 stop and celebrate Christmas. And to me, that 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:33.720 showed me these folks who live in the encampments 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.559 or the motels or the drug houses or whatever, 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:39.940 they still got a little bit of humanity left. 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:42.679 Yeah. And when we're dealing with them, that's 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.440 something that we really try to latch onto is 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:48.360 that little bit of humanity they have left. And 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.860 I'm sure you've seen videos on YouTube of folks 00:14:52.860 --> 00:14:56.720 who will actually videotape. Folks want to Fentanyl 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:58.899 or whatever and they show them and they kind 00:14:58.899 --> 00:15:01.360 of like zombies walking around to be honest with 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:05.779 you But they still have that humanity right and 00:15:05.779 --> 00:15:09.179 and there's one young fellow here and he's he's 00:15:09.179 --> 00:15:12.259 known for for He covers himself with a blanket 00:15:12.259 --> 00:15:16.179 And that's what he is and they got calling him 00:15:16.179 --> 00:15:19.059 blanket boy or blanket and one day said no stop. 00:15:19.059 --> 00:15:24.519 His name is Jacob Calling him blanket boy or 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:27.700 saying someone has a drug problem or mental health, 00:15:27.700 --> 00:15:30.860 it dehumanizes them. And how can I connect with 00:15:30.860 --> 00:15:33.159 those people if I can't connect with them on 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:38.639 a human level? And that's really important. Like, 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:40.759 I'm sure where you are, I don't know where you 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:43.100 are exactly right now, you have problems with 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:47.200 folks who are homeless. Oh, yeah. And where are 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.940 you at now, Dan? Outside of Pensacola. In Florida. 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:55.580 the church that we go to is is downtown Pensacola 00:15:55.580 --> 00:15:58.799 and there's a steady stream of of homeless that 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:01.799 come in and we will serve them coffee some of 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:04.100 them will stay for the service but uh some will 00:16:04.100 --> 00:16:07.240 just file out but at the same time we we have 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:12.120 uh they're there yeah yeah we had a young fellow 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.940 who's sitting outside our church so we had him 00:16:14.940 --> 00:16:16.379 and it took us a couple months to get him to 00:16:16.379 --> 00:16:19.700 come into the sanctuary for the service but you 00:16:19.700 --> 00:16:24.409 know eventually it worked out Our problem with 00:16:24.409 --> 00:16:25.710 the homeless, and this is kind of where my heart 00:16:25.710 --> 00:16:28.269 is right now, if you do not start in this generation, 00:16:29.970 --> 00:16:31.629 then it's not going to end in this generation. 00:16:31.649 --> 00:16:34.389 And I don't know what the answer is, to be honest 00:16:34.389 --> 00:16:38.289 with you. Right now, of the people I deal with, 00:16:38.549 --> 00:16:42.490 either they have drug problems or they have mental 00:16:42.490 --> 00:16:46.750 health problems, or they just can't afford an 00:16:46.750 --> 00:16:51.679 apartment. I looked at some statistics. Before 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:54.720 COVID, a one bedroom apartment in Chatham was 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.620 600 bucks a month. After COVID, it's 1200 bucks 00:16:57.620 --> 00:17:04.140 a month. Yeah. Where do these people go? I feel 00:17:04.140 --> 00:17:07.700 like, like you're saying, maybe their problems 00:17:07.700 --> 00:17:10.720 get so compounded that, I mean, it's very easy 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:13.720 for someone in the, in the working world that's 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:15.500 got a family and they've got a bunch of problems 00:17:15.500 --> 00:17:17.400 and things. Oh, and you think, wow, I'm never 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:19.579 going to get out from under this. But you have 00:17:19.579 --> 00:17:22.019 you have to find ways to do it. So you do but 00:17:22.019 --> 00:17:24.859 if you're on the streets and you're that far 00:17:24.859 --> 00:17:29.259 Down you're that far removed from day -to -day 00:17:29.259 --> 00:17:32.480 modern or civilized However, you want to call 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:35.200 it? Yeah, you could you can kind of visualize 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:36.880 where some guys just say well, I just i'll just 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.759 stay here i'll be or My goal tomorrow is where's 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:43.039 my drugs going to come from? Yeah, that's the 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:48.400 goal and That's a big problem. I don't know about 00:17:48.539 --> 00:17:50.640 where you live, but where I live, you can't force 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:58.680 people into rehab. And COVID really, really made 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:00.559 that problem here a lot worse. And we're not 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:03.200 the only ones. I mean, I understand that, but 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:05.200 at least our city is looking at some long -term 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:08.500 solutions, and I don't know what they are. But 00:18:08.500 --> 00:18:10.920 at least we're looking at it, long -term solutions. 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:15.559 And unfortunately, what I found was People didn't 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:17.299 get upset until a homeless person was sitting 00:18:17.299 --> 00:18:22.140 in front of their business. Right. Okay. So somebody 00:18:22.140 --> 00:18:25.480 did a documentary on that. And I talked to the 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:27.539 documentarians and I said, I'm not worried about 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:28.720 the people in front of your business because 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:32.579 I can see them. It's the ones I can't see. The 00:18:32.579 --> 00:18:35.220 ones out in the bush. And the ones who live in 00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:37.019 the bush, a lot of them have warrants out on 00:18:37.019 --> 00:18:40.579 them. And you can't, you know, they're not coming 00:18:40.579 --> 00:18:44.039 up for free mail. And it's probably say just 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.839 bills and bills and bills. And they get used 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:50.339 to living like that. Uh, I'm not going to lie 00:18:50.339 --> 00:18:53.059 or sugar coat it. Most of the women are traffic. 00:18:54.019 --> 00:18:56.259 I can't do anything about that either. You know, 00:18:56.259 --> 00:18:58.440 we protect them as best we can, but that's, that's, 00:18:58.740 --> 00:19:02.339 that's the hard truth of it too. And while back, 00:19:02.579 --> 00:19:05.960 I sent you a link about maybe having my friend 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:11.200 Simon on. He chose not to, but Simon was on a. 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.480 four -year scholarship at University of Indiana, 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:18.700 by the way, football scholarship. Wow. And he 00:19:18.700 --> 00:19:21.420 was said he was playing in a game, I think against 00:19:21.420 --> 00:19:23.740 Washington and everybody's cheering for him. 00:19:23.859 --> 00:19:25.640 And one of his buddies says, do you know what, 00:19:25.779 --> 00:19:28.299 Simon, everybody in that audience right now wants 00:19:28.299 --> 00:19:31.980 to be us. And he said, right now, and this guy's 00:19:31.980 --> 00:19:34.380 been on the street. He said, nobody wants to 00:19:34.380 --> 00:19:40.819 beat me right now. And that really struck me. 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:45.579 We had a young lady on the hang on guys gotta 00:19:45.579 --> 00:19:49.119 clear my throat. Oh, yeah Who passed away with 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:53.259 a drug overdose? And we're a community dinner 00:19:53.259 --> 00:19:56.980 and I asked me to say a few words And I'm writing 00:19:56.980 --> 00:19:58.839 it up and I realized this might be the only ology 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:06.920 she gets It was You know, I still have a conscience, 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:12.900 you know and sometimes We're dealing with people 00:20:12.900 --> 00:20:15.700 there. You just want to say it's too big for 00:20:15.700 --> 00:20:19.880 me. It's too big for me, you know. But we plug 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:22.779 along. Certainly when we take the lunches out, 00:20:22.859 --> 00:20:26.160 we do it on behalf of our church. The church 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.380 ladies make the sandwiches and we take them out 00:20:28.380 --> 00:20:31.539 and we offer prayer if they want it. If they 00:20:31.539 --> 00:20:33.519 don't, that's fine. And we offer Bibles if they 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.680 want it. Fine. If they don't, fine. But what 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:39.380 we found is they know we're coming at one o 'clock 00:20:39.380 --> 00:20:42.059 on Thursday afternoon. They have something to 00:20:42.059 --> 00:20:45.079 look forward to. That's it. You know what I mean? 00:20:46.220 --> 00:20:52.119 And what they lack is hope. When you're hopeless, 00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:54.900 you will live at just an existence kind of level. 00:20:55.619 --> 00:20:57.619 And I don't know if you're familiar with Maslow's 00:20:57.619 --> 00:20:59.680 hierarchy of needs, but they're near the bottom. 00:21:01.059 --> 00:21:05.339 So we, I said, we do the best we can and we hope, 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:08.940 I'm telling my friend, I look at what we do as 00:21:08.940 --> 00:21:11.440 an act of worship. Because we're there to represent 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:17.440 God Well You hear people especially now I may 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:19.700 have it's been going on for a long time, but 00:21:19.700 --> 00:21:24.299 Kind of morph religion into Maybe their their 00:21:24.299 --> 00:21:28.240 own bubble and their own people and I mean everyone 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.720 is I don't know if everyone's been in and out 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.700 of some of these churches where it's It's just 00:21:33.700 --> 00:21:36.339 kind of like that that message pertains to us 00:21:36.339 --> 00:21:40.000 our our level of affluence But and we're aware 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.640 of the people on the margins, but we just don't 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:44.240 we don't go out there Well, I would tell you 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.359 one of the reasons it got so bad Five years ago. 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:50.099 Nobody could see them and once they could see 00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:54.839 them and now it's a problem and I don't want 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:56.859 to go into politics, but I just the general statement 00:21:56.859 --> 00:22:00.299 of mine Some people's faith determines their 00:22:00.299 --> 00:22:03.099 politics and some people's politics determines 00:22:03.099 --> 00:22:07.680 their faith. And that's just my observation. 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.380 People can take it however they want. Well, we 00:22:11.380 --> 00:22:17.200 should all take your spirit and your interest 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:20.740 in your fellow man, no matter what their status 00:22:20.740 --> 00:22:23.759 is in life. We should all take a page out of 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.400 that book. I can tell just talking to you and 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:29.599 hearing you describe these stories, how important 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.140 that is to you and your mission here on on this 00:22:33.140 --> 00:22:37.759 earth. Yeah. I also realized, Dan, one slip on 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:40.240 the ice again, I hit my head, I'm living in the 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:44.519 tent. And we had our first years of the baseball 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:47.079 program with the children, these two kids were 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:48.880 on their bikes outside the fence laughing at 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.740 them. And I said, you like those bikes boys? 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:54.140 And they said, yeah. I said, one slip on that 00:22:54.140 --> 00:22:55.400 bike and you're on the other side of the fence. 00:22:56.619 --> 00:22:58.299 And then I said, I want you to come in the fence 00:22:58.299 --> 00:23:01.059 and meet them, meet the players. That's the important 00:23:01.059 --> 00:23:04.769 thing. And whenever we get attention for the 00:23:04.769 --> 00:23:07.750 baseball, they want to come out and watch. I 00:23:07.750 --> 00:23:09.789 tell the reporter, bring your glove, wear your 00:23:09.789 --> 00:23:14.210 shoes, sit on the bench. And a couple of years 00:23:14.210 --> 00:23:16.490 ago, the Blue Jays sent a team down, Toronto 00:23:16.490 --> 00:23:19.269 Blue Jays. And they said, we're going to do some 00:23:19.269 --> 00:23:22.289 activities. And I said, bring your gloves, bring 00:23:22.289 --> 00:23:24.809 your shoes, sit on the bench. This is not about 00:23:24.809 --> 00:23:27.890 baseball. It's about the people. It's about the 00:23:27.890 --> 00:23:32.799 players. They got more insight into the program 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:35.720 by doing that than by running some skills. Besides, 00:23:36.700 --> 00:23:38.519 my players don't go to run skills. They go to 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:42.519 play baseball. So they weren't real happy with 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:48.160 that idea either. So anyway, you want to talk 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.980 about fantasy football? Yes. And I do want to 00:23:51.980 --> 00:23:54.559 put a plug in and you mentioned the Blue Jays. 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:58.019 I was, I've just. Kind of hard for me to pull 00:23:58.019 --> 00:24:00.180 for the Dodgers. I am a National League guy being 00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:02.680 a Cub fan, but, uh, man, I had to root for the 00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:05.880 Jays in that series. That was tough. But at the 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:10.240 same time, I feel like they've got the, um, firepower 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.099 or whatever you call it to be right back there 00:24:12.099 --> 00:24:14.980 next year. They asked John Schneider about the 00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:18.740 team. He says, we've got a bunch of ball players. 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:21.720 Man, they do. You know what I mean? They're not 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:25.980 superstar. Whatever. They're just good, solid 00:24:25.980 --> 00:24:30.049 ball players. It was Go ahead. It was refreshing 00:24:30.049 --> 00:24:32.829 Dan to see a little bit of small ball being played 00:24:32.829 --> 00:24:35.549 in the World Series a little bit of Getting outside 00:24:35.549 --> 00:24:38.529 of that analytical group think that all the teams 00:24:38.529 --> 00:24:43.809 seem to have of we just We preach the same Strategy 00:24:43.809 --> 00:24:46.789 and same in -game situations, you know You're 00:24:46.789 --> 00:24:48.549 never gonna see the hit and run and then whoa 00:24:48.549 --> 00:24:50.769 all of a sudden you saw Schneider doing some 00:24:50.769 --> 00:24:53.049 things not left and right Not not constantly 00:24:53.049 --> 00:24:55.410 but just here and there a little slap single 00:24:55.470 --> 00:24:57.289 When when flat he could have tried to power it 00:24:57.289 --> 00:25:00.430 over the fence. Yeah Well, we got I got to see 00:25:00.430 --> 00:25:03.289 the Toronto play the Tigers up at Roger Center 00:25:03.289 --> 00:25:06.609 And anyway, it's bottom to the eight Tigers are 00:25:06.609 --> 00:25:11.109 up by one Alejandro Kirk is up to bat You know 00:25:11.109 --> 00:25:14.269 who i'm talking about. Oh, he was a joy to watch 00:25:14.269 --> 00:25:16.369 It's three to two and i'm screaming from the 00:25:16.369 --> 00:25:21.789 stands walk him Walk him they pitch to him And 00:25:21.789 --> 00:25:23.970 nobody can turn a double into a single like Alejandro 00:25:23.970 --> 00:25:28.130 Kirk You don't think that guy's gonna make it 00:25:28.130 --> 00:25:31.490 around the bases. Oh, yeah, you say he hits it 00:25:31.490 --> 00:25:35.410 off the wall is the single he had a Triple once 00:25:35.410 --> 00:25:39.410 this other guy have to call it the cap But you 00:25:39.410 --> 00:25:43.049 know, he's somebody you can really root for yeah 00:25:43.049 --> 00:25:46.789 You know you can cheer for this guy and you may 00:25:46.789 --> 00:25:50.609 not remember this the hockey game Toronto's playing 00:25:50.609 --> 00:25:53.690 Carolina and Carolina's two goalies got hurt 00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:56.799 So the Zamboni driver went in net for Carolina. 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:00.740 And it was like every beer league goalie said, 00:26:01.099 --> 00:26:03.359 I can play in that league. And this guy showed 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.599 them they could. And he was a big hero, as you 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.539 can imagine. And all of us who aren't real Leaf 00:26:11.539 --> 00:26:14.359 fans are going, come on, it's a beer league goalie. 00:26:16.660 --> 00:26:19.200 The one game in the World Series, I went to bed 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:20.960 at 11 o 'clock and I woke up about three in the 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:22.779 morning, I said, I gotta check what the final 00:26:22.779 --> 00:26:25.549 score was. They were still playing. That's right. 00:26:25.549 --> 00:26:30.890 That's right. I think that was uh 15 16 17 innings 00:26:30.890 --> 00:26:32.990 the same thing. I had to go to bed about the 00:26:32.990 --> 00:26:38.069 13th. Yeah Every game was a good game Yes, gave 00:26:38.069 --> 00:26:39.650 it to the pitcher came out of that for toronto. 00:26:39.750 --> 00:26:42.029 They didn't know he'd be that good. He was great 00:26:42.029 --> 00:26:45.490 Yamamoto the pitcher for the dodgers. I understand 00:26:45.490 --> 00:26:47.190 He's a curved spine now from carrying the rest 00:26:47.190 --> 00:26:48.970 of the team on his back, but that's that's another 00:26:48.970 --> 00:26:53.869 story No, I was The Jays lost. It was disappointing, 00:26:53.930 --> 00:26:56.130 but it was a great series. It was good for baseball, 00:26:56.410 --> 00:26:58.849 too. You know, every game was close. A lot of 00:26:58.849 --> 00:27:01.970 good characters. A lot of excitement. And, Dan, 00:27:02.069 --> 00:27:04.390 at the outset of the playoffs, you've got your 00:27:04.390 --> 00:27:06.930 Tigers in there, too. So, isn't that right? The 00:27:06.930 --> 00:27:10.589 Tigers and the Jays were in the bracket at the 00:27:10.589 --> 00:27:13.069 outset. So, what are you thinking if there's 00:27:13.069 --> 00:27:17.769 a possible Detroit -Toronto matchup? Well, all 00:27:17.769 --> 00:27:21.630 I can say is this. Derek scuba wants 32 million 00:27:21.630 --> 00:27:23.029 dollars a year and they're only offering him 00:27:23.029 --> 00:27:25.930 19 that should answer your question There's not 00:27:25.930 --> 00:27:27.910 talented a team, but they played well and they 00:27:27.910 --> 00:27:30.710 come through in the clutch Really fast. I do 00:27:30.710 --> 00:27:33.809 want to comment on the NFL playoffs, which commence 00:27:33.809 --> 00:27:36.170 this afternoon as we're talking I think we've 00:27:36.170 --> 00:27:39.509 got yeah, but that Steelers and is that today? 00:27:39.890 --> 00:27:41.869 No, we got the Rams in Carolina this afternoon. 00:27:42.869 --> 00:27:46.569 I Love making predictions. I'm just gonna go 00:27:46.569 --> 00:27:49.319 out on a limb here. I think the Panthers I've 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.039 filled out a bracket today. I've got them advancing 00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:53.640 a couple rounds. I think they catch lightning 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:57.359 in a bottle. Same with the 49ers and I also like 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.240 Houston on the AFC side, but you have any teams? 00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:05.119 I know your Lions are out. Well, they had some 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.740 injuries on the interior of the offensive line, 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.819 which was their strength. I have a feeling if 00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:15.119 they don't do anything stupid like first and 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.099 go out the one yard line and throw a pass instead 00:28:17.099 --> 00:28:22.339 of running it, Seattle. Yeah. Now that I've got 00:28:22.339 --> 00:28:25.380 Pete Carroll really dumb like that. Seattle is 00:28:25.380 --> 00:28:27.920 a solid team and I watched them playing San Francisco 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.299 that one night and I was a little spectacular, 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:34.119 but they're really solid. So and don't to me 00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:35.900 in the playoffs to experience me something. So 00:28:35.900 --> 00:28:37.680 the Bills are going to do better. I think then, 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:42.700 but it all comes down to Josh Allen. Yeah. And 00:28:42.700 --> 00:28:44.680 I had him in fantasy football and one week he 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:47.990 get six touchdowns the next week. Not so much. 00:28:50.049 --> 00:28:52.730 I drafted a couple guys like in every league. 00:28:53.390 --> 00:28:55.170 They let me down, to be honest with you. Saquon 00:28:55.170 --> 00:28:58.869 Barkley was one. And Justin Jefferson. Can I 00:28:58.869 --> 00:29:04.049 rant? Go ahead. All right. In Yahoo private leagues, 00:29:04.809 --> 00:29:06.970 the commissioner has the ability to change people's 00:29:06.970 --> 00:29:10.250 lineups after the game starts. And two of my 00:29:10.250 --> 00:29:12.930 leagues, the league commissioner was changing 00:29:12.930 --> 00:29:16.410 his lineup and mine according to how people did. 00:29:17.170 --> 00:29:20.309 And I wrote Yahoo and said that's not fair and 00:29:20.309 --> 00:29:22.210 and so I think I'm gonna have to abandon Yahoo 00:29:22.210 --> 00:29:25.289 and go to another Another platform like it was 00:29:25.289 --> 00:29:27.589 really disappointing that happened and they took 00:29:27.589 --> 00:29:28.789 away I don't know if you notice it took away 00:29:28.789 --> 00:29:31.190 the message boards to they did I'm very upset 00:29:31.190 --> 00:29:34.809 about that I'm Dan this is a whole different 00:29:34.809 --> 00:29:38.529 topic, but I Just really I like some of the the 00:29:38.529 --> 00:29:41.269 memes and the the text messages that people send 00:29:41.269 --> 00:29:43.509 funny memes and stuff But I do kind of miss the 00:29:43.509 --> 00:29:46.680 old dialogue and just I'm gonna I miss those 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.220 days. My first year of playing, there was 10 00:29:49.220 --> 00:29:52.700 of us didn't know each other, strangers. And 00:29:52.700 --> 00:29:57.779 that year we had 2000 posts. Not one obscenity, 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.700 not one putting the other guy down. Everything 00:30:00.700 --> 00:30:03.920 was really respectful and it was a joy. Here's 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.740 the rule about message boards. Never post when 00:30:06.740 --> 00:30:12.200 you're drunk, stoned or angry. And just remember 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:13.799 somewhere down the road, you're going to regret 00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:18.500 that you put on there. Yeah, you know forever 00:30:18.500 --> 00:30:24.180 Well, once it's on the internet I Did a little 00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:28.140 talk at our City Council actually about the challenge 00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:31.359 of baseball And they wanted to see the speech 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:35.059 first And they had me cut out a couple of words 00:30:35.059 --> 00:30:38.319 that They're offensive words. I wanted to say 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:40.339 them to make a point, but they said don't even 00:30:40.339 --> 00:30:44.039 say them. Yeah It's someone called one of our 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.880 players a name Actually, I think it was her grandmother. 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:50.579 And I just said, oh, here she's not that. She's 00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:53.480 not that. And I wanted to use that word for the 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:58.539 effect. And that word for years and years, people 00:30:58.539 --> 00:31:00.000 didn't use it. And now it's starting to come 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.220 back. And it bothers me because to me that indicates 00:31:04.220 --> 00:31:07.480 as a species we're kind of going backwards. I 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.759 think we have a real empathy problem. Yes. Well, 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.240 I listened to different podcasts on YouTube, 00:31:15.619 --> 00:31:17.480 and some of the Christian podcasts, they think 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:21.259 of empathy as a bad thing. And I'm not buying 00:31:21.259 --> 00:31:24.640 that, because empathy is a core of what Jesus 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.279 was. And I didn't want to get into the whole 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:29.839 religious thing, but this was a core of what 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.740 Jesus was. It was empathy and sympathy. I wish 00:31:33.740 --> 00:31:38.460 that was just a set value with every, particularly 00:31:38.460 --> 00:31:41.089 every parent. Mm -hmm. I mean one thing with 00:31:41.089 --> 00:31:43.789 my kids I try to try to be as conversational 00:31:43.789 --> 00:31:46.869 as possible with them Really try to regulate 00:31:46.869 --> 00:31:50.569 their screen time really for the most part They 00:31:50.569 --> 00:31:52.609 don't have anything handheld right now. I just 00:31:52.609 --> 00:31:55.650 don't for me. I'm not into that with the tablets 00:31:55.650 --> 00:31:58.609 Now my eight -year -old has a laptop a school 00:31:58.609 --> 00:32:02.089 laptop that he uses Yeah, but I want the majority 00:32:02.089 --> 00:32:04.190 of their time to be spent hands -free either 00:32:04.190 --> 00:32:09.809 outside and able and willing to engage in conversation 00:32:09.809 --> 00:32:12.029 and thought and discussion and that sort of thing 00:32:12.029 --> 00:32:14.369 because I think if you just if you shove the 00:32:14.369 --> 00:32:19.230 technology If you if you make that The focal 00:32:19.230 --> 00:32:22.410 point of your your little children's lives at 00:32:22.410 --> 00:32:24.250 a very early age They're not gonna have the same 00:32:24.250 --> 00:32:27.329 experiences that we had for basically the first 00:32:27.329 --> 00:32:29.750 20 or in some cases 40 years of your life before 00:32:29.750 --> 00:32:33.210 you had The ability to express yourself on a 00:32:33.210 --> 00:32:37.410 device the other thing too Your children and 00:32:37.410 --> 00:32:43.049 I were blessed and They had good fathers Okay, 00:32:43.049 --> 00:32:46.769 a Lot of those kids today are getting their parents 00:32:46.769 --> 00:32:49.569 or what to see on the internet Yeah, and for 00:32:49.569 --> 00:32:52.109 a young man for a role model example of what 00:32:52.109 --> 00:32:55.730 a man should be like. It's not healthy If someone 00:32:55.730 --> 00:32:58.329 is just not healthy, but there was an opening 00:32:58.329 --> 00:33:01.369 because fathers kind of got a lot of fathers 00:33:01.369 --> 00:33:04.849 kind of Advocated their responsibility there 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:06.839 or maybe they just didn't have it. But I had 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.819 a father who was a good role model. And just 00:33:08.819 --> 00:33:10.359 from talking to you, I'm guessing that you did 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:15.319 as well. I did. And that really helps. And words 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.200 that were degrading or degenerating just were 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.039 not allowed, especially racial stuff, were just 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:23.119 not allowed. And I may have mentioned this on 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.900 the last podcast, we're all the same race. God 00:33:26.900 --> 00:33:31.539 only made one race. And I assure you, in my background, 00:33:31.660 --> 00:33:35.549 there's probably an African or do whatever, I'm 00:33:35.549 --> 00:33:39.049 from Eastern Europe. So it's very likely. And 00:33:39.049 --> 00:33:43.529 I'm no better than anybody else. And I was in 00:33:43.529 --> 00:33:45.089 church once and I was grossing about the music 00:33:45.089 --> 00:33:49.250 and somebody said, Dan, it's not about you. And 00:33:49.250 --> 00:33:52.289 that really stuck with me. It's not, the world 00:33:52.289 --> 00:33:56.410 is not about me. And especially in church, you 00:33:56.410 --> 00:33:58.529 kind of want to have your way and you kind of 00:33:58.529 --> 00:34:01.710 realize you're there for everyone. And I'll give 00:34:01.710 --> 00:34:05.549 you an example. My church lost 150 people over 00:34:05.549 --> 00:34:11.409 COVID. That's almost half. But the church has 00:34:11.409 --> 00:34:12.889 refilled, but a lot of the people that come into 00:34:12.889 --> 00:34:15.730 our church now are unchurched people. Really? 00:34:15.809 --> 00:34:20.110 We love them. And our pastor did a message last 00:34:20.110 --> 00:34:23.550 week on grace. And for most Christians, that's 00:34:23.550 --> 00:34:27.550 a pretty basic concept. But he realized for the 00:34:27.550 --> 00:34:30.510 newer people that come in who are unchurched, 00:34:30.630 --> 00:34:33.019 and so he's talking to them and not... those 00:34:33.019 --> 00:34:35.460 of us who know what it is and I commend him for 00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:38.380 that because he realizes his first priority has 00:34:38.380 --> 00:34:42.000 to be the sheep or yeah the lambs as they say 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.679 and we were all really impressed that he would 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.860 do that and go right back to the basics and talk 00:34:45.860 --> 00:34:49.460 about grace and it's also nice to come to church 00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:52.400 and they keep it at uh we don't hear about politics 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:56.860 in my church and that's really because that's 00:34:56.860 --> 00:35:00.900 not what I go for you know and that's just my 00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:06.780 personal personal thing Yeah, I Obviously think 00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:09.159 it should be left at a church. I don't know how 00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:12.780 it was 30 years ago or when our parents went 00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:16.179 to church that they talked about Yeah You know 00:35:16.179 --> 00:35:18.059 if they if they talked about what Jimmy Carter 00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:19.860 was doing or what Kennedy was doing if that would 00:35:19.860 --> 00:35:22.179 if that was discussed in church or not from the 00:35:22.179 --> 00:35:27.679 pulpit Yeah Well here in America Some of stuff 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.079 Kennedy did where it wasn't fit to be. No, I'm 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:35.340 not gonna say You know But that's not what I 00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:39.179 go to church for Yeah, if he if our pastor ever 00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:41.400 tried to get politics, but we have to understand 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:43.380 the difference in Canadian American politics 00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:46.519 Our conservative are just a little bit to the 00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:51.440 right of center. Yeah And they're a lot closer 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:56.039 in outlook and philosophy It's not a hate hate 00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:57.699 gotta run the other guy down as much you can 00:35:57.699 --> 00:36:00.699 say they're not way opposite ends and what there's 00:36:00.699 --> 00:36:03.289 yeah There's no magnetic way we can meet in the 00:36:03.289 --> 00:36:07.090 middle. Yes. Yes. That's really what's happened 00:36:07.090 --> 00:36:09.949 here in the states. Well, it's kind of creeping 00:36:09.949 --> 00:36:12.409 up here, too. But we just have to be careful. 00:36:12.889 --> 00:36:16.130 Remember, and I told someone the other day, I 00:36:16.130 --> 00:36:18.750 vote for people. I vote for policy. I do not 00:36:18.750 --> 00:36:23.010 vote for adjectives. Yeah. You know what I mean? 00:36:23.409 --> 00:36:26.610 Does that make sense? Absolutely. Well, you're 00:36:26.610 --> 00:36:27.849 conservative, you have to vote for so -and -so. 00:36:27.929 --> 00:36:28.989 Or you're liberal, you have to vote for so -and 00:36:28.989 --> 00:36:31.980 -so. No. Policies are only liberal or conservative, 00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:34.380 because that's the label we put on them. Right. 00:36:35.420 --> 00:36:39.199 If you notice, my wife and I, we are, we obviously 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:42.659 have a lot of the same shared values, but on 00:36:42.659 --> 00:36:45.260 political issues, we can, she can be all in for 00:36:45.260 --> 00:36:49.500 something and I'm all out, but what she supports 00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:53.139 is not really under the standard umbrella of 00:36:53.139 --> 00:36:56.480 what it might've been a generation ago. So it's 00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:59.199 like there's people that... consider them themselves 00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:02.480 conservative but they want pot legalized which 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.340 you would have never heard of that oh no 20 years 00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:10.159 ago or they think that um uh physician assisted 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:12.539 suicide you know which i don't want to get into 00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:14.960 that but like there could be somebody who's on 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.199 the right wing of things or there could be someone 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:21.000 on the left wing that's uh opposed to nation 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.079 -building exercises in other countries Usually 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.059 infrastructure and repairing roads and bridges 00:37:26.059 --> 00:37:30.000 is pulls us all together The effects are well 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:35.260 There was a speaker on assisted suicide. It's 00:37:35.260 --> 00:37:38.780 all made and They said you get it. They'll consider 00:37:38.780 --> 00:37:41.880 you if you have a fatal disease. I said that's 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:46.440 called life Life is a fatal disease Yeah, let's 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:51.519 be honest. Nobody's getting out here So, you 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:56.329 know what you make it The best you can and I 00:37:56.329 --> 00:37:58.429 will tell is a personal thing. I have a nephew. 00:37:58.489 --> 00:38:00.889 He's in the hospital right now and he's on a 00:38:00.889 --> 00:38:04.570 ventilator. He's as heart issues and he lived 00:38:04.570 --> 00:38:06.289 a life that was not conducive to having a healthy 00:38:06.289 --> 00:38:10.710 heart or that way. And he thought it would never 00:38:10.710 --> 00:38:13.289 happen. And this couple of days ago, he came 00:38:13.289 --> 00:38:14.849 close to the edge and he had to look over the 00:38:14.849 --> 00:38:20.670 edge. And I hope he realizes that once you fall, 00:38:20.809 --> 00:38:24.349 there's no getting up. And you can do things 00:38:24.349 --> 00:38:28.909 to get yourself closer to that edge faster than 00:38:28.909 --> 00:38:32.750 other things. And so if your listeners pray, 00:38:32.909 --> 00:38:35.570 his name is Jacob, and I would, we certainly 00:38:35.570 --> 00:38:38.449 appreciate the prayer. I say we savor, we savor 00:38:38.449 --> 00:38:41.190 prayers. Uncle Dan's trying to keep his nose 00:38:41.190 --> 00:38:45.929 out of it a little bit. You know, and the way 00:38:45.929 --> 00:38:47.349 it is right now, I think the fewer people that 00:38:47.349 --> 00:38:48.650 go up to see him in the hospital or whatever. 00:38:48.829 --> 00:38:51.010 the better but i'm just hoping and praying that 00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:52.809 jacob has now he's looked over the edge and i 00:38:52.809 --> 00:38:57.869 don't i don't like this i don't want this now 00:38:57.869 --> 00:39:00.010 i'm gonna switch topics because i saw a picture 00:39:00.010 --> 00:39:05.369 and it's gonna make you laugh in wisconsin a 00:39:05.369 --> 00:39:06.849 raccoon got into the liquor store i don't know 00:39:06.849 --> 00:39:10.210 if you saw this picture you see the picture my 00:39:10.210 --> 00:39:12.030 wife told me about this but i haven't seen the 00:39:12.030 --> 00:39:16.579 picture and he got into the liquor store And 00:39:16.579 --> 00:39:18.039 there he has passed out between the toilet and 00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:23.079 the garbage can in the bathroom. And they want 00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:27.059 to make him the state animal of Wisconsin. And 00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:28.519 that's actually the funniest thing I've ever 00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:33.039 seen. Because when he jumped down, I guess he 00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:35.519 knocked over a display in it. Well, I think he 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:39.960 had a little bit to drink too. That's why he 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:46.250 passed out at the toilet. Oh, man. I had a youth 00:39:46.250 --> 00:39:52.130 we all did oh yeah I was talking to my wife about 00:39:52.130 --> 00:39:54.989 that today I mean we uh my wife has never been 00:39:54.989 --> 00:39:57.710 a drinker yes which is which was good for me 00:39:57.710 --> 00:40:02.030 because I definitely enjoyed a good bourbon and 00:40:02.030 --> 00:40:06.250 and all that stuff um in my younger years and 00:40:06.250 --> 00:40:09.630 really before I got married so um this was great 00:40:09.630 --> 00:40:11.670 to be you know to get into a relationship with 00:40:11.670 --> 00:40:14.190 someone who that's not something they really 00:40:14.190 --> 00:40:17.289 did regularly, which I, it seems like I chased 00:40:17.289 --> 00:40:18.869 that in the past. I'd always have a girlfriend 00:40:18.869 --> 00:40:22.449 that liked to have a glass of wine or several. 00:40:23.929 --> 00:40:26.210 But just kind of reflecting back and I just, 00:40:26.570 --> 00:40:28.849 today we were sitting on the sofa earlier and 00:40:28.849 --> 00:40:32.670 I said, I got nothing for it. I remember how 00:40:32.670 --> 00:40:38.530 it felt. I remember becoming intoxicated and 00:40:38.530 --> 00:40:39.889 yeah, you're having a nice time or whatever. 00:40:40.269 --> 00:40:43.420 But I said, it didn't do anything for me. I mean, 00:40:43.460 --> 00:40:47.019 maybe, maybe, you know, if, if, if you, if you 00:40:47.019 --> 00:40:49.679 can think of something positive, yeah. Where 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:51.380 there's some times on a bar stool with a, with 00:40:51.380 --> 00:40:53.800 a ball game on that you're having a really lively 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:56.519 conversation with somebody. Sure. But, but I 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.659 can see the clarity in my day -to -day life that 00:40:59.659 --> 00:41:03.320 was not there in the past. The past was usually 00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.039 consumed with, okay, I got to get myself right 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.300 today. I got a lot of things I got to accomplish. 00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:11.579 I wasn't thinking about that last night and And 00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:13.599 then it just seemed like day -to -day living 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.739 was a little more daunting. And I got through 00:41:15.739 --> 00:41:17.760 it, and I wasn't, I didn't call into work, I 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.440 didn't do stuff like that. I did the things I 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.780 needed to do, but it wasn't, it was like you're 00:41:22.780 --> 00:41:27.159 putting these chains on that you have to. I was 00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.639 fortunate at my third year of university, a young 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.639 lady came into my room, Dan, I want to talk to 00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:35.099 you. And she said, sit down. And she said, Dan, 00:41:35.260 --> 00:41:40.139 you're not an alcoholic yet. And I was just kind 00:41:40.139 --> 00:41:43.900 of like, God sent me a guardian angel. Yeah. 00:41:44.340 --> 00:41:46.739 God, someone was concerned enough about me before 00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:50.000 it became a real problem to say, I'm worried 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:55.699 about you. And that really helps. And I know 00:41:55.699 --> 00:41:56.880 there are people that aren't going to hear it 00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.659 when you say it, but somebody said that to me. 00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:01.599 And it really made a difference in my life because 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:05.420 I realized I was going in a bad direction. And 00:42:05.420 --> 00:42:10.400 in 19 late seventies, When you're in a university 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:15.280 dorm and it's all guys Just a little while. Yeah 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.079 It's funny the second year was fun when you're 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.360 in the first year was fun second year. It's not 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.300 fun anymore. Yeah, Dan Go ahead. I'm sure you 00:42:25.300 --> 00:42:27.659 remember some times where you the the party was 00:42:27.659 --> 00:42:30.199 so much fun and you can you wake up and yet your 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.000 head's pounding and you but you can visualize 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:35.099 the night before all the All the characters that 00:42:35.099 --> 00:42:36.780 were around all the fun. Everyone was having 00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:41.409 but now you're you're waking up and they don't, 00:42:41.409 --> 00:42:43.349 I used to make this reference, they don't get, 00:42:43.469 --> 00:42:47.130 nobody gets to have that hangover for you. Nobody 00:42:47.130 --> 00:42:50.510 gets to tackle the day that's in front of you 00:42:50.510 --> 00:42:53.090 for you. And usually nobody's calling to say, 00:42:53.289 --> 00:42:55.969 Hey Dan, how are you doing? Can I come by and 00:42:55.969 --> 00:42:59.110 bring you some breakfast? How can I help you? 00:42:59.389 --> 00:43:01.849 How can I be your friend? Usually for the most 00:43:01.849 --> 00:43:06.760 part, those faces of the night, You know might 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.480 be good people in certain respects, but those 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.960 really are not true friends Like they just really 00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:15.000 aren't not that they're bad people, but I went 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:16.820 through a period like that I thought man. I got 00:43:16.820 --> 00:43:19.440 a lot of a lot of good people in my life a lot 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.300 of They're always ready to party Yeah, but very 00:43:23.300 --> 00:43:26.199 very few if I just had to say hey listen I need 00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.480 somebody to talk to you want to go get some coffee 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.719 and just go sit down talk and know that didn't 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:33.099 happen too often But if we're going to a bar 00:43:33.099 --> 00:43:39.489 sure I have a thing with churches, people come 00:43:39.489 --> 00:43:42.550 and go. And if somebody leaves my church and 00:43:42.550 --> 00:43:44.750 they're not my friend anymore, they were never 00:43:44.750 --> 00:43:48.690 my friend. And it's the same thing. If all you've 00:43:48.690 --> 00:43:51.969 got is you go to the same church, you have to 00:43:51.969 --> 00:43:55.309 have more. It's like my donor mom. I said, you 00:43:55.309 --> 00:43:57.309 can be my donor mom for so long, but sooner or 00:43:57.309 --> 00:44:00.730 later, we have to be just family and not donor 00:44:00.730 --> 00:44:02.570 family. Because donor family is not big enough 00:44:02.570 --> 00:44:04.710 to carry your relationship. or alcohol is not 00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:07.769 going to have to carry a relationship. And let 00:44:07.769 --> 00:44:12.130 me just go, someone once said to a lady and said 00:44:12.130 --> 00:44:14.769 to Winston Churchill, Mr. Churchill, you're drunk. 00:44:14.769 --> 00:44:16.889 And he says, that's true, madam, but you're ugly. 00:44:17.170 --> 00:44:18.510 And when I wake up tomorrow, I'm going to be 00:44:18.510 --> 00:44:27.269 sober. But sooner or later, and I've talked to 00:44:27.269 --> 00:44:30.130 the kids and I tell them any habit you don't 00:44:30.130 --> 00:44:33.510 start, you don't have to stop. Yeah. And I guarantee 00:44:33.510 --> 00:44:38.090 you, stopping. Or as Mark Twain say, quitting 00:44:38.090 --> 00:44:40.550 smoking is easy, I've done it a thousand times. 00:44:42.250 --> 00:44:45.809 And just from my work with the homeless, I run 00:44:45.809 --> 00:44:48.809 the same people to rehab. And they say it takes 00:44:48.809 --> 00:44:51.329 about seven shots at rehab. So if you're out 00:44:51.329 --> 00:44:52.969 there and you're teetering on the edge with the 00:44:52.969 --> 00:44:58.429 booze or the drugs, rehab is not fun. And one 00:44:58.429 --> 00:45:01.030 of my ballplayers had a daughter who was 23. 00:45:02.569 --> 00:45:05.489 This chokes me up. Hang on. Someone put fentanyl 00:45:05.489 --> 00:45:08.750 in the cocaine. Beautiful, intelligent girl, 00:45:09.150 --> 00:45:13.190 and she did not make it. Her mother will never, 00:45:13.489 --> 00:45:20.769 ever be over that. Never. Just think about what 00:45:20.769 --> 00:45:23.449 you're doing to other people. And it was my nephew 00:45:23.449 --> 00:45:26.349 in the hospital. I want to say, look what you're 00:45:26.349 --> 00:45:28.949 doing to everybody else in your life. Like I 00:45:28.949 --> 00:45:30.769 said, the guy said to me in church, it ain't 00:45:30.769 --> 00:45:34.579 about you. Yeah Your life is not just about Dan 00:45:34.579 --> 00:45:36.239 McCartland and I've seen your pictures with your 00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:38.960 wife and your kids your great family I think 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.099 I saw somebody getting baptized Yeah, that yeah, 00:45:42.099 --> 00:45:47.059 that was me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah folks listening 00:45:47.059 --> 00:45:50.940 Dan and I were Facebook friends Which is great, 00:45:51.099 --> 00:45:53.940 you know that? Had a lot of guests on the show 00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:56.340 and I really consider everybody that I've connected 00:45:56.340 --> 00:45:59.360 with on the day and time podcast to be a friend 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:04.019 I think part of our purpose here on life is to 00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:08.440 make friends and be available, to be friendly 00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:12.099 and seek those connections. And it's really special 00:46:12.099 --> 00:46:14.980 when, I think when Dan and I connected the first 00:46:14.980 --> 00:46:17.860 time and then the follow -up episode and we just, 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.599 we still email, Dan will see stuff in a ball 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.139 game and he'll say, Hey, I was watching, he knows 00:46:23.139 --> 00:46:28.119 I like the Ravens and our sports teams. And it's 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:31.869 really great to keep the connection going. I'm 00:46:31.869 --> 00:46:35.250 going off track here, but Dan, I also, I mentioned 00:46:35.250 --> 00:46:40.309 you and I think it was Voyager or something, 00:46:40.670 --> 00:46:44.489 Shout Out Atlanta. Perhaps I had a opportunity 00:46:44.489 --> 00:46:47.969 to put my name out there and get a story on the 00:46:47.969 --> 00:46:49.389 podcast that's published. And it said, what was 00:46:49.389 --> 00:46:51.150 your favorite guest, your favorite episode? And 00:46:51.150 --> 00:46:54.570 I mentioned Dan Cabelka. I said, that's it. Hard 00:46:54.570 --> 00:46:59.409 stop. Oh yeah. But I don't know where I started 00:46:59.409 --> 00:47:04.610 there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you've gotten to see 00:47:04.610 --> 00:47:09.530 that side of my family and kind of what I choose 00:47:09.530 --> 00:47:12.269 to put out there. Yeah. Because usually if it's 00:47:12.269 --> 00:47:13.909 not going to be positive, I don't post it. I 00:47:13.909 --> 00:47:17.389 usually just share it. Well, you'll notice on 00:47:17.389 --> 00:47:20.150 my Facebook, I don't post political stuff. Yeah. 00:47:20.429 --> 00:47:22.949 Oh, and trust me, I have plenty of thoughts and 00:47:22.949 --> 00:47:27.960 especially right now this week, some really Yeah, 00:47:28.179 --> 00:47:31.079 troubling things happening and did happen but 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.239 those who have a certain political view at this 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.159 point there's nothing you're gonna say that's 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.900 gonna make a difference and We've got the exact 00:47:38.900 --> 00:47:40.820 opposite view and there's nothing you can say 00:47:40.820 --> 00:47:43.460 it's gonna make a difference. So why say it? 00:47:44.099 --> 00:47:48.480 Yeah, I would echo what you said there We all 00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:50.199 especially if you feel like you can articulate 00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:53.329 your point online and you want to jump in the 00:47:53.329 --> 00:47:55.650 comment section of a political post and just 00:47:55.650 --> 00:47:57.530 say, well, I got the perfect rebuttal. And you 00:47:57.530 --> 00:48:00.269 spend all 30 minutes or so typing something up 00:48:00.269 --> 00:48:03.110 and you feel good about it. And some people like 00:48:03.110 --> 00:48:06.489 it, maybe 50 people like it. But the only effective 00:48:06.489 --> 00:48:10.590 way is that if you do what Dan, what I know you're 00:48:10.590 --> 00:48:13.449 out there doing and it just lived your life and 00:48:13.449 --> 00:48:16.530 those, you know, the shadows at times, nobody's 00:48:16.530 --> 00:48:18.230 watching. There's no camera on you. Nobody's 00:48:18.230 --> 00:48:20.980 taking a, It's not a photo op, but you're having 00:48:20.980 --> 00:48:23.260 a heart to heart with a person at the ground 00:48:23.260 --> 00:48:27.139 level in the margins of life. Or, or yeah, you're 00:48:27.139 --> 00:48:29.760 talking to somebody or some, you know, that somebody 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.340 has a different opinion than you on politics 00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:36.960 and you're out in your community. Have a conversation, 00:48:37.539 --> 00:48:40.579 but, um, I would strongly advise people just 00:48:40.579 --> 00:48:44.880 don't spend the energy on the online, uh, most 00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:48.760 of it's, uh, most of it's. Not true. Anyway, 00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:53.679 so really What's the point? I told my wife Natalie 00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:58.659 today on I have to mention it. It's just it's 00:48:58.659 --> 00:49:01.619 been dominating our news cycle that shooting 00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:05.260 in Minnesota Minneapolis and I said honey What 00:49:05.260 --> 00:49:08.099 you're seeing on your newsfeed is different than 00:49:08.099 --> 00:49:10.860 what I'm seeing on my ass and she'd mentioned 00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:13.980 a couple things and I said That's not real. That's 00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:16.360 fake. That was that picture. You saw that was 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:21.679 AI uh yes and i said i'm not i'm not trying to 00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:23.719 prove i'm not trying to make you feel bad or 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.579 whatever but i said good thing you have me to 00:49:26.579 --> 00:49:28.239 snuff some of that out there's a lot of people 00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.260 that see that take it as fact oh a friend of 00:49:32.260 --> 00:49:36.860 mine posted something and in the bottom right 00:49:36.860 --> 00:49:38.539 of the picture it says nothing in this picture 00:49:38.539 --> 00:49:43.139 is real and he posted it as real what i asked 00:49:43.139 --> 00:49:46.679 for is discernment yeah There are no shortage 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:50.920 of urban legend snopes things like that that 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.159 You know, we can check these things out and I 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:55.679 guess that bothers me that people are posting 00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.079 things about checking it out You know, well and 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:00.440 if you lean one way or the other politically 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:03.000 you're gonna get sucked in well what happens 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:08.780 to versus say the internet in 2005 or 2010 is 00:50:08.780 --> 00:50:12.260 you might read something from a news source and 00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:14.179 then you think Well, let me go out to Google 00:50:14.179 --> 00:50:16.519 and try to cross reference this. People are not 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:18.619 doing that now. They're not getting off of their 00:50:18.619 --> 00:50:20.820 platform. They're really just, they're getting 00:50:20.820 --> 00:50:23.460 all their news by scrolling through their chosen 00:50:23.460 --> 00:50:26.340 platform and they're not thinking, Oh, wow, that's 00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:29.699 a shocking story. Let me, let me, uh, Google 00:50:29.699 --> 00:50:32.460 and find some corroborating store that don't 00:50:32.460 --> 00:50:35.739 people that are not doing that. Yes. Yeah. I 00:50:35.739 --> 00:50:38.019 have a background in communications and I've 00:50:38.019 --> 00:50:41.119 worked for a newspaper. So I've, I'm always going 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:43.280 to do that, but. And you don't have to have that 00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.219 background to have that curiosity, but I think 00:50:45.219 --> 00:50:47.840 people just get... Well, it only takes a few 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:50.159 minutes to do your homework, in all honesty. 00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:52.039 Is it going to change their minds? I kind of 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.920 doubt it, but at least they're showing some discernment. 00:50:55.380 --> 00:50:56.579 And the one fellow, I was kind of embarrassed 00:50:56.579 --> 00:50:58.340 for him that he printed something or said right 00:50:58.340 --> 00:51:00.059 on it, it's fake, and he printed his truth. I 00:51:00.059 --> 00:51:02.619 kind of felt sorry for him. He didn't catch it? 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.480 I don't know if he wanted to, but that's another 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:09.420 story. Like I said, I will say this about your 00:51:09.420 --> 00:51:14.079 president, the cake has been baked. Those who 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.280 like him or whatever, there's nothing anybody's 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:17.900 going to say. Those who don't like him, there's 00:51:17.900 --> 00:51:23.280 nothing you can say. So why, why have the, I'm 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:25.619 not going to lose a friend over politics. Yeah. 00:51:26.619 --> 00:51:29.780 Well, another thing I realized, if you're of 00:51:29.780 --> 00:51:33.460 a certain age, you're probably aware that in 00:51:33.460 --> 00:51:37.650 the States, if you voted for Joe Biden, 2020 00:51:37.650 --> 00:51:40.570 or you voted for Harris in 24 or you voted for 00:51:40.570 --> 00:51:42.889 Trump or you voted for going back to the Clinton 00:51:42.889 --> 00:51:45.309 and Bush and all that stuff whoever you voted 00:51:45.309 --> 00:51:48.150 for and you're all in and you like this person 00:51:48.150 --> 00:51:52.369 and you believe in the the agenda and Then some 00:51:52.369 --> 00:51:55.489 unflattering news comes out. Maybe it's one story 00:51:55.489 --> 00:51:57.449 and you just kind of you're like, no, that's 00:51:57.449 --> 00:52:01.170 not true. I don't believe that that's just Whatever, 00:52:01.210 --> 00:52:07.110 but when something really major comes along and 00:52:07.110 --> 00:52:10.750 it casts your preferred candidate in a negative 00:52:10.750 --> 00:52:15.449 light. People have a hard time saying, oh wow, 00:52:16.389 --> 00:52:21.090 oh he is lying. Oh, I'm being, oh really? They 00:52:21.090 --> 00:52:23.230 have a hard time doing that because now it reflects 00:52:23.230 --> 00:52:26.829 on them and they cast that vote and they have 00:52:26.829 --> 00:52:32.280 to reconcile that in their mindset. Oh. And so 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:34.760 they get close, I think, to that realization 00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.199 sometimes, and then they beat it back, because 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.400 in order to accept it, they have to accept the 00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:44.039 flawed... I have friends who are into Christian 00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.239 apologetics, and they love to argue and debate. 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:50.760 And I said, for all the arguments that you've 00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:52.639 had, and debates that you've won, has anybody 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:54.679 ever come to the faith in Christ over you because 00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:58.519 you want to debate? Yeah. Doesn't happen. That's 00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.449 not about winning a debate. And I heard someone 00:53:01.449 --> 00:53:04.530 say, and I love this thing, when you start keeping 00:53:04.530 --> 00:53:08.849 score, you've lost. When you start keeping score, 00:53:08.989 --> 00:53:10.289 and this is, you start about marriages, but I 00:53:10.289 --> 00:53:12.789 think in life too, when you start keeping score, 00:53:13.230 --> 00:53:17.690 you've lost. And there's a lot of truth to that.