WEBVTT 00:00:02.189 --> 00:00:11.810 It's Dan Time. Grab a seat. It's Dan Time. Yeah. 00:00:11.949 --> 00:00:22.230 It's Dan Time. Only dance on the line. Only dance 00:00:22.230 --> 00:00:27.730 all the time. This is the Dan Time podcast with 00:00:27.730 --> 00:00:36.789 your host, Dan McGarrett. Welcome to a very special 00:00:36.789 --> 00:00:39.369 episode. You've heard me say that in the past, 00:00:39.369 --> 00:00:42.750 a very special episode. Well, if you're familiar 00:00:42.750 --> 00:00:48.609 with the podcast and the output, the regularity, 00:00:48.969 --> 00:00:51.929 and now the lack of regularity, this really is 00:00:51.929 --> 00:00:55.109 special. First of all, that there is an episode. 00:00:56.009 --> 00:01:00.130 But secondly, as this project has been on pause, 00:01:01.890 --> 00:01:05.670 I've I've had to shelve a lot of ideas And that's 00:01:05.670 --> 00:01:07.590 okay. It's just the way I described it in the 00:01:07.590 --> 00:01:10.790 last one the life outside of Dan time. It's just 00:01:10.790 --> 00:01:14.170 the way things are Happening right now and I'm 00:01:14.170 --> 00:01:15.829 where I want to be I'm doing the things I want 00:01:15.829 --> 00:01:18.430 to be doing so hopefully you've got a lot of 00:01:18.430 --> 00:01:22.849 material to go back to if you've you know, just 00:01:22.849 --> 00:01:27.390 Really been the ultimate fan and heard over a 00:01:27.390 --> 00:01:31.200 hundred episodes I'm just I'm thrilled that you're 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:33.859 that type of listener, but most likely you haven't 00:01:33.859 --> 00:01:35.500 heard all of them So there's a lot there to listen 00:01:35.500 --> 00:01:38.299 to but this episode is really special because 00:01:38.299 --> 00:01:43.060 we're sticking to it The Halloween special I 00:01:43.060 --> 00:01:46.319 don't know why it became so important to me And 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.140 I think for my guest it is just as important 00:01:49.140 --> 00:01:53.319 to him, but I like traditions I like annual installments 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:54.959 of things especially when you get a few going 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:58.700 so this is the third one The Halloween special 00:01:58.700 --> 00:02:02.540 with my brother Robert McArdle also known as 00:02:02.540 --> 00:02:05.959 Rob McArdle just like You know, I'm originally 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.159 Daniel known as Dan. Here he is. And here we 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:14.180 are Happy Halloween folks Get out your favorite 00:02:14.180 --> 00:02:17.860 bag of if you've been trick -or -treating If 00:02:17.860 --> 00:02:19.659 you just pop some popcorn or whatever you're 00:02:19.659 --> 00:02:22.860 doing. You got some movies ready to listen to 00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:26.539 watch this weekend Have some fun and here's another 00:02:26.539 --> 00:02:29.740 treat on top the Halloween episode. How are you 00:02:29.740 --> 00:02:31.699 doing Robert? It's so great to be talking to 00:02:31.699 --> 00:02:35.419 you Good to be here. I am wonderful. Can't wait 00:02:35.419 --> 00:02:38.840 to talk some some Halloween Amongst other things 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:44.340 but yeah doing good Day and time has has featured 00:02:44.340 --> 00:02:49.599 a lot of different guests and It wasn't my ultimate, 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:51.500 you know, I didn't see it going this way in the 00:02:51.500 --> 00:02:54.000 very beginning because she, as you people noticed, 00:02:55.180 --> 00:02:58.620 some of the first guests were, there wasn't really 00:02:58.620 --> 00:03:02.580 any consistency. It was just a mug shop owner. 00:03:03.139 --> 00:03:05.780 And then we had it, you know, a former athlete 00:03:05.780 --> 00:03:08.840 here, then this and that. But the singer songwriters 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:12.020 didn't come around for a while, but there's been 00:03:12.020 --> 00:03:16.300 a real musical theme to the full body of work. 00:03:16.460 --> 00:03:19.520 And I'm, you know, I take special pride in that 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:22.699 and in promoting some of these artists that many 00:03:22.699 --> 00:03:25.620 of whom you may not have heard of. But one thing 00:03:25.620 --> 00:03:27.979 I like to do having you back on the show, Robert, 00:03:27.979 --> 00:03:31.979 is talk a little bit of music. Yeah. And we have 00:03:31.979 --> 00:03:35.539 an opportunity to do that here tonight. First, 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:37.840 before we get into it, you know, there's somebody 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:41.719 we want to obviously honor his legacy, as many 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:44.419 people have done. So we're not, you know, we're 00:03:44.419 --> 00:03:47.280 not breaking the mold here, but. Going back to 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:51.719 Halloween music, we talked about it last year. 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:54.580 Do you have anything different on the playlist 00:03:54.580 --> 00:03:58.099 than you'd be listening to in August or April 00:03:58.099 --> 00:04:00.500 or something right now here at the end of October? 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:08.280 Well, not really. I'm sitting in my man cave, 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.960 which is pretty much Halloween all year. I listen 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:14.860 to the same music all year, so nothing's really 00:04:14.860 --> 00:04:17.870 changed. Robert. I mean, I obviously listen to 00:04:17.870 --> 00:04:20.870 my horror stuff, but you know. You mentioned 00:04:20.870 --> 00:04:22.829 man cave. Would you consider if I had a place 00:04:22.829 --> 00:04:29.269 like that, a Dan cave? Absolutely. Have some 00:04:29.269 --> 00:04:36.529 Dan time down in the Dan cave. Yep. I've, uh, 00:04:36.529 --> 00:04:38.629 you know, if I, if I do have to lay this thing 00:04:38.629 --> 00:04:42.170 to rest, I had been thinking about, well, if 00:04:42.170 --> 00:04:44.569 I'm going to reboot at some point in the future, 00:04:44.629 --> 00:04:47.850 what's the next the next name of the show, what's 00:04:47.850 --> 00:04:50.750 the next podcast? Cause I just, I think there 00:04:50.750 --> 00:04:53.209 will be something. It may take a couple of years, 00:04:53.370 --> 00:04:57.370 but maybe the Dan cave, maybe not. Hey, you never 00:04:57.370 --> 00:05:00.569 know. But it's not all about me. So maybe I need 00:05:00.569 --> 00:05:03.129 to get off the Dan thing. Cause I think I have 00:05:03.129 --> 00:05:06.290 to over explain the fact that it's not Dan time 00:05:06.290 --> 00:05:11.649 me just talking about things that are on my mind. 00:05:11.649 --> 00:05:15.670 And that's it. But okay. Let's get hey, let's 00:05:15.670 --> 00:05:18.470 get to it real quick here. Let's get to some 00:05:18.470 --> 00:05:24.829 some ace talk ace freely legendary Kiss guitarist 00:05:24.829 --> 00:05:27.930 and I think for the Halloween episode It's kind 00:05:27.930 --> 00:05:30.949 of fitting. I mean, I wish he the circumstances 00:05:30.949 --> 00:05:33.170 had been different and he's still with us here, 00:05:33.170 --> 00:05:38.709 but yo kiss is you know with the the imagery 00:05:38.709 --> 00:05:43.360 and the product lines and all the collectibles 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.019 and you could really sink your teeth into everything. 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.519 It's kind of lends itself to Halloween and this 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:52.899 time of year. Robert, how did you feel? Same 00:05:52.899 --> 00:05:56.480 question about the Ozzy episode and you see the 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:58.439 news and it was unexpected when you heard Ace 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:03.699 Freely passed away. I'm shocked, really. I knew 00:06:03.699 --> 00:06:07.519 he had had, I guess, some health problems. As 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:09.839 far as I know I think it was an accident that 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:13.319 that led to his death but you know I was scrolling 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.540 around on YouTube and a lot of times you get 00:06:16.540 --> 00:06:19.779 these little pop -ups that says you know Celebrities 00:06:19.779 --> 00:06:22.079 we've lost it will be a picture of you know Michael 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:24.480 J Fox or somebody or someone you know is not 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:28.459 dead But then I saw one from a YouTube personality 00:06:28.459 --> 00:06:32.279 it was ace freely You know news coming in that 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:34.759 that he's died. I was like oh my god. It's it's 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.769 actually true and so I went and googled it and 00:06:37.769 --> 00:06:40.230 found out that it was true, but yeah, just absolutely 00:06:40.230 --> 00:06:42.889 shocked. I mean, I wasn't expecting that one 00:06:42.889 --> 00:06:45.430 coming. I know that I think he is about to go 00:06:45.430 --> 00:06:49.009 on tour or his tour got canceled due to his health, 00:06:50.069 --> 00:06:54.850 but just shocked, shocked and sad to hear it. 00:06:55.329 --> 00:06:58.230 Yeah, you're right. He was in the studio and 00:06:58.230 --> 00:07:00.850 I think he had done some dates with maybe with 00:07:00.850 --> 00:07:04.879 Slaughter and Quiet Riot earlier. spring summer 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:08.980 I may have the dates off but yeah apparently 00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:12.220 Ace had probably taken some falls in the past 00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:15.240 and you know I'm not a student of all things 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.300 Ace I don't know everything about him inside 00:07:18.300 --> 00:07:21.160 and out but I have heard that for lack of better 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:23.779 description he was a little unsteady on his feet 00:07:23.779 --> 00:07:28.720 even in his prime you know even as a 35 45 55 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:32.300 year old man he was Little wobbly and and some 00:07:32.300 --> 00:07:34.480 of that was part of his persona too, you know 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:40.160 as a guitarist but um You know that happens when 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.959 people of a certain age especially a celebrity 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:47.060 and You see that there's 75 or if it's a another 00:07:47.060 --> 00:07:50.920 public figure that's late 70s early 80s and you 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.800 see the obituary You don't really think a whole 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.959 lot more about it, but there's a lot of falls 00:07:55.959 --> 00:08:00.790 that take people down sure At their house if 00:08:00.790 --> 00:08:03.350 just imagine if you're that old and I think maybe 00:08:03.350 --> 00:08:05.410 there were people around him I don't know but 00:08:05.410 --> 00:08:08.170 and you You don't even have to fall off a ladder. 00:08:08.170 --> 00:08:11.470 Just the the method the way it happens you fall 00:08:11.470 --> 00:08:14.689 and you're laying there for a while and you've 00:08:14.689 --> 00:08:17.529 started bleeding and you can't whatever however 00:08:17.529 --> 00:08:23.370 it happens, but Anyway ace freely Would argue, 00:08:23.370 --> 00:08:25.790 you know even he's getting on up there all those 00:08:25.790 --> 00:08:30.449 guys are but gone too soon This was very unfortunate, 00:08:31.050 --> 00:08:34.070 but Robert I'm gonna go ahead and say you know 00:08:34.070 --> 00:08:37.769 with the four guys and kiss Ace is not he's not 00:08:37.769 --> 00:08:40.429 my personal favorite doesn't mean I didn't like 00:08:40.429 --> 00:08:44.009 him because I like all of them Where does he 00:08:44.009 --> 00:08:46.070 rank with with you if he had kind of have the 00:08:46.070 --> 00:08:48.549 four together? Who's who's number one? Do you 00:08:48.549 --> 00:08:53.850 have a top four? Classic kiss lineup of the classic 00:08:53.850 --> 00:08:59.350 kiss lineup You know, I guess My number one would 00:08:59.350 --> 00:09:03.070 be Paul Number two would be ace Number three 00:09:03.070 --> 00:09:05.350 would be Peter and number four would be Jean 00:09:05.350 --> 00:09:09.149 and I say Paul Because I think he really is kind 00:09:09.149 --> 00:09:12.350 of the voice of kiss But ace would be a close 00:09:12.350 --> 00:09:14.889 second since I guess I can't really tie them 00:09:14.889 --> 00:09:20.049 for first but ace probably the most talented 00:09:20.049 --> 00:09:24.629 member of the band and I just had a lot of memorable 00:09:24.629 --> 00:09:27.610 songs. Has a memorable voice too, even though 00:09:27.610 --> 00:09:29.750 I would say Paul probably more is the voice of 00:09:29.750 --> 00:09:33.129 the band. But yeah, I would say he's a close 00:09:33.129 --> 00:09:37.190 second. And I'm really, I'm raking this for the 00:09:37.190 --> 00:09:40.309 most part based on the four albums that they 00:09:40.309 --> 00:09:43.990 put out in 78. Although I recognize Aces is probably 00:09:43.990 --> 00:09:48.529 the best, but I'm giving Paul just the edge. 00:09:48.830 --> 00:09:52.169 just because I think his voice is a little bit 00:09:52.169 --> 00:09:56.929 more iconic. But the albums, when they came out, 00:09:56.929 --> 00:09:59.070 basically were ranked as, I think it was like 00:09:59.070 --> 00:10:03.950 Ace, Paul, Peter and Gene. So that's why Peter 00:10:03.950 --> 00:10:07.710 and Gene kind of at the end. I agree with you 00:10:07.710 --> 00:10:12.210 on the Ace vocals, you know, the way he sings 00:10:12.210 --> 00:10:18.690 on Strange Ways. Yeah. Yeah, song like Strange 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:21.710 Ways and then the Freely's Comet material and 00:10:21.710 --> 00:10:25.809 Ace Freely's solo material. He's got that guy 00:10:25.809 --> 00:10:29.590 off the street vocal style and almost like lyrical 00:10:29.590 --> 00:10:33.509 style too. That's just really endearing because 00:10:33.509 --> 00:10:39.870 he's not terrible by any means and he's got this 00:10:39.870 --> 00:10:45.899 engaging delivery. When he sings, uh, you know 00:10:45.899 --> 00:10:47.480 back in the new york groove it almost sounds 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:50.379 like somebody you would see singing Uh, or sounds 00:10:50.379 --> 00:10:52.419 like somebody you'd see singing in the subway 00:10:52.419 --> 00:10:55.740 there. Yeah, uh, so definitely kind of a normal 00:10:55.740 --> 00:10:59.659 guy working man, uh type voice, um, even on a 00:10:59.659 --> 00:11:04.000 song called like, uh, talk to me Or 2000 man 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:07.740 You know, it's I don't know. I like it Well, 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.620 i'll go ahead and just insert without really 00:11:09.620 --> 00:11:13.549 any commentary my top four in order And I'll 00:11:13.549 --> 00:11:17.009 agree with you, Paul, number one, some of that 00:11:17.009 --> 00:11:23.090 is just Paul's commitment to the band. When he 00:11:23.090 --> 00:11:25.730 kept Kiss Alive in the eighties. We probably 00:11:25.730 --> 00:11:28.350 would have seen the end of Kiss in around 84, 00:11:28.490 --> 00:11:33.970 85 had Paul not basically just been dragging. 00:11:34.190 --> 00:11:36.710 I hate to say dragging that thing along, but 00:11:36.710 --> 00:11:39.830 he found a way to get, get some songwriters in 00:11:39.830 --> 00:11:42.679 there. to pair up with and get some songs written, 00:11:42.940 --> 00:11:46.240 pull Gene back into the fray long enough for 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:50.200 him to kick out a few tracks to balance the albums. 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:55.240 But also, I love Paul's story. I read his book. 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:58.580 He always likes to pick on Gene for Gene's ego 00:11:58.580 --> 00:12:01.980 being the size of Texas or whatever. He lives 00:12:01.980 --> 00:12:03.740 down the street from me. I can see his ego from 00:12:03.740 --> 00:12:06.620 here. That kind of thing, which I always think 00:12:06.620 --> 00:12:11.190 is hilarious because Paul has An enormous ego 00:12:11.190 --> 00:12:17.110 himself. He's uh, so but they are a perfect pair 00:12:17.110 --> 00:12:19.710 And I kind of have to just tie them together. 00:12:19.710 --> 00:12:23.429 I got Paul Paul number one gene number two for 00:12:23.429 --> 00:12:28.850 me Then I got Peter at number three Head -to 00:12:28.850 --> 00:12:31.669 -head vocals on some of the songs. I mean Peter's 00:12:31.669 --> 00:12:34.409 got Beth, of course, but plaster castor. I mean 00:12:34.409 --> 00:12:38.929 a hard luck woman Yeah, I love Peter Chris's 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:42.679 vocal style and just have an appreciation for 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.399 drummers he's number three and ace is just he's 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.820 number four on my list but it's not a whole lot 00:12:48.820 --> 00:12:53.000 of uh daylight there between all of them yeah 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.600 peter he did the vocals for the title track to 00:12:55.600 --> 00:13:00.720 hotter than hell didn't he um i think that's 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:02.820 still gene but you might you could be correct 00:13:02.820 --> 00:13:07.740 yeah that's one of my favorite songs on I wish 00:13:07.740 --> 00:13:10.019 we could talk about the whole album Hotter Than 00:13:10.019 --> 00:13:12.379 Hell. A lot has been made about the production 00:13:12.379 --> 00:13:18.980 quality or lack thereof. But the songs on Hotter 00:13:18.980 --> 00:13:21.559 Than Hell are some of my favorite Kiss songs. 00:13:22.820 --> 00:13:26.940 Got to choose. It's a good one. Yeah. Let's quickly, 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:28.580 because this is the Halloween episode, we want 00:13:28.580 --> 00:13:31.720 to talk about a few other things, but can you 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.889 easily rattle off a, let's say, It's kind of 00:13:35.889 --> 00:13:39.129 a top ten but the bottom five where you just 00:13:39.129 --> 00:13:40.909 kind of go all right here's ten nine eight seven 00:13:40.909 --> 00:13:48.070 six five or ten nine eight seven six Yeah, and 00:13:48.070 --> 00:13:50.110 then these are my runners up and then here's 00:13:50.110 --> 00:13:53.309 my five four three two one Can you do that with 00:13:53.309 --> 00:13:57.789 ace? I? Probably know my number one, but the 00:13:57.789 --> 00:14:00.769 the other nine probably are all interchangeable 00:14:00.769 --> 00:14:04.049 Let's just reminisce on some songs and they don't 00:14:04.049 --> 00:14:06.279 really They don't have to be in any particular 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.639 order, but when you think of Ace Freely, what 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:12.840 you loved about him, what are some top tracks? 00:14:14.820 --> 00:14:17.879 Definitely Shock Me, which I think is probably 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:22.200 a signature song of his. I believe he was, I 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.919 think his guitar shocked him, and they wrote 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:29.440 that song. I like Rip It Out in Snowblind off 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:33.870 of the 78th album. I like Talk To Me, which I 00:14:33.870 --> 00:14:39.409 think is on unmasked. I like 2 ,000 Man, Freely's 00:14:39.409 --> 00:14:41.830 Comet. Of course, I love, you know, End of the 00:14:41.830 --> 00:14:47.110 Night, Rock Soldiers, but also Insane. I think 00:14:47.110 --> 00:14:50.509 It's Over Now is a great ballad. Loser in a Fight 00:14:50.509 --> 00:14:53.149 is really good. Really, that's... And I believe 00:14:53.149 --> 00:14:58.350 when we did our 89 Top 5 Glam albums, I had second 00:14:58.350 --> 00:15:01.919 -siding... my number five or number four album 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.259 from that year and then he did a great record 00:15:05.259 --> 00:15:10.799 about Ten or twelve years ago Space Invader Which 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.580 had a couple good tracks notably give me a feeling 00:15:13.580 --> 00:15:17.259 and whatever girl wants is pretty good and he 00:15:17.259 --> 00:15:20.240 does a good cover of that Steve Miller song the 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:26.220 Joker so that's kind of a sampling of Aces stuff 00:15:26.220 --> 00:15:31.370 that that I really like As usual a great list 00:15:31.370 --> 00:15:33.509 and the way you rattle through it there Robert 00:15:33.509 --> 00:15:38.289 folks hit that 15 second rewind button, whatever 00:15:38.289 --> 00:15:41.110 it might be go back catch all those tracks jot 00:15:41.110 --> 00:15:44.509 them down because if Robert's recommending it 00:15:44.509 --> 00:15:46.509 and you like this type of music and you already 00:15:46.509 --> 00:15:48.970 like some kiss songs go check out those ones 00:15:48.970 --> 00:15:52.029 and if you Really didn't listen to much ace freely 00:15:52.029 --> 00:15:55.830 solo There's some fun stuff there. Here's something 00:15:55.830 --> 00:15:59.649 else. I want to address his live performances 00:15:59.649 --> 00:16:04.950 by all accounts were either pretty good or very, 00:16:04.950 --> 00:16:09.090 very bad. Yeah. And I really don't want to rag 00:16:09.090 --> 00:16:13.950 on the guy, you know, in this particular format, 00:16:15.309 --> 00:16:17.429 but I think, you know, it's just, you never knew 00:16:17.429 --> 00:16:18.950 what you were going to get. I didn't get to see 00:16:18.950 --> 00:16:25.649 him live, but at the same time, Yeah, and certainly 00:16:25.649 --> 00:16:28.470 if you if you spent 40 50 60 dollars you go see 00:16:28.470 --> 00:16:31.029 something and I can't think of a show Robert 00:16:31.029 --> 00:16:36.330 that I've seen Where I went and I was just terribly 00:16:36.330 --> 00:16:40.490 disappointed in That artist performance where 00:16:40.490 --> 00:16:45.509 I thought Natalie. This is a mess but Who knows 00:16:45.509 --> 00:16:49.149 the the wise and the house and and then why like 00:16:49.149 --> 00:16:51.429 on the same tour? He's just spectacular other 00:16:51.429 --> 00:16:55.870 nights but you got to give ace credit for cranking 00:16:55.870 --> 00:16:59.289 out the music spending time in the studio writing 00:16:59.289 --> 00:17:03.029 songs i mean he's very active right all the way 00:17:03.029 --> 00:17:06.609 up until the end um yeah i think he's i think 00:17:06.609 --> 00:17:08.569 he's put like three or four albums out in the 00:17:08.569 --> 00:17:12.430 last 10 years right well a couple of those songs 00:17:12.430 --> 00:17:15.829 i'm gonna i'll throw them in here insane good 00:17:15.829 --> 00:17:19.880 one and i have to i gotta do this Alright, here 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.160 we go Robert insane and I remember listening 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:28.119 to the song with you the chorus I Got money got 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:31.700 fame got everything to play this game. No sorrow. 00:17:31.700 --> 00:17:35.220 No shame because nothing matters when you're 00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:40.920 insane You remember the video for that how goofy 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:43.920 it was yeah Where they're all like they've got 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:46.059 their heads like in between all these girls legs 00:17:46.059 --> 00:17:49.619 while they're dancing They're just kind of hanging 00:17:49.619 --> 00:17:54.299 out down there. Yep Yeah, uh the opening opening 00:17:54.299 --> 00:17:57.259 verse some people call me a walking disaster 00:17:57.259 --> 00:18:01.359 just a waiting for a place to occur But I still 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.940 got enough that'll last her till the blood gets 00:18:03.940 --> 00:18:07.460 ready to burn My meter is running still got a 00:18:07.460 --> 00:18:10.500 lot of living to do I live five days to your 00:18:10.500 --> 00:18:14.809 one And you know it's true. Yeah, I love that 00:18:14.809 --> 00:18:19.410 These lyrics are and you like a lot of his songs 00:18:19.410 --> 00:18:22.450 You don't have to think too hard. You don't have 00:18:22.450 --> 00:18:27.450 to Fall deep into some concept of Some heavy 00:18:27.450 --> 00:18:30.809 topic. It's just fun And it's fun to sing along 00:18:30.809 --> 00:18:32.930 to it's kind of like if your your buddy just 00:18:32.930 --> 00:18:36.809 happens to be a decent enough Singer behind a 00:18:36.809 --> 00:18:38.890 microphone and and they're just wailing with 00:18:38.890 --> 00:18:43.740 a great backing band Yeah Give me a feeling you 00:18:43.740 --> 00:18:46.440 put you told me about that song several years 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:50.460 ago. We listened to it together Yeah Give me 00:18:50.460 --> 00:18:55.640 a feeling Yeah That's on space invader from yeah 00:18:55.640 --> 00:19:00.920 for 2014 Because you're on my mind And I start 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:07.039 believing till the end of time All I know I can't 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:09.500 sleep because because I'm thinking about you 00:19:09.529 --> 00:19:14.009 and all I know and every day you drive me so 00:19:14.009 --> 00:19:22.190 crazy yeah give me a feeling off of space invader 00:19:22.190 --> 00:19:26.230 all right some of my my favorite ace kiss songs 00:19:26.230 --> 00:19:28.970 i'm gonna try to keep this quick with not a lot 00:19:28.970 --> 00:19:31.670 of explanation here because um my thing with 00:19:31.670 --> 00:19:33.869 ace robert and i don't know if it's the same 00:19:33.869 --> 00:19:36.970 with you it's not like he was a real technical 00:19:36.970 --> 00:19:42.029 soloist No, but his solos were were they they 00:19:42.029 --> 00:19:43.710 rocked it they were loud and they were memorable. 00:19:44.609 --> 00:19:49.049 Yeah big fan of The opening track on rock and 00:19:49.049 --> 00:19:51.230 roll over really the whole album, but I want 00:19:51.230 --> 00:19:55.210 you Yes, you know, that's a Paul song though, 00:19:55.289 --> 00:19:58.630 isn't it singing it? Yeah, it's Paul singing. 00:19:58.630 --> 00:20:01.710 I'm just thinking of some you know songs where 00:20:01.710 --> 00:20:06.089 I like aces playing on it Okay. Yeah charisma 00:20:06.089 --> 00:20:11.920 off a dynasty Oh, love charisma. Really the entire 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:16.119 self -titled debut album. You got to throw Cole 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:20.779 Jen in there, but also, I mean, Deuce and Strutter. 00:20:21.579 --> 00:20:23.700 And I don't listen to a lot of Black Diamond 00:20:23.700 --> 00:20:26.779 100 ,000 years anymore. I don't know how I either 00:20:26.779 --> 00:20:30.000 wore it out or just those two. I never really 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.960 cared much for 100 ,000 years. And Black Diamond, 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.079 I don't know that, that would never really... 00:20:36.089 --> 00:20:38.150 Never really did much for me either. I know that 00:20:38.150 --> 00:20:42.569 they're well -known songs Yeah off a hotter than 00:20:42.569 --> 00:20:46.150 hell We talked about the title track, but let 00:20:46.150 --> 00:20:50.930 me go rock and roll ace is just shredding almost 00:20:50.930 --> 00:20:54.769 throughout the song Yep, is that one a favorite 00:20:54.769 --> 00:20:59.589 of yours? It's I like it I wouldn't say it's 00:20:59.589 --> 00:21:01.910 a favorite, but I do like it and if I'm listening 00:21:01.910 --> 00:21:06.460 to hotter than hell it'll get played Yeah That's 00:21:06.460 --> 00:21:08.299 another one where we've I think talked about 00:21:08.299 --> 00:21:11.779 the lyrics from time to time Because baby's got 00:21:11.779 --> 00:21:14.299 the feeling baby wants to show baby. Won't you 00:21:14.299 --> 00:21:19.019 tell me baby rock and roll? Yeah, yeah Okay That's 00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:22.480 almost uh, it sounds a lot like the lyrics to 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:25.259 uh to rocket ride off of a live too when they 00:21:25.259 --> 00:21:34.099 did a couple studio songs Whoa, no I Think that's 00:21:34.099 --> 00:21:38.079 the same one All right getting a little dis uh 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:40.779 undisciplined here but a couple more i don't 00:21:40.779 --> 00:21:43.019 even know if i've i'm not even in the top 10 00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:46.859 i haven't written any of this stuff down creatures 00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:49.460 of the night's the last one he's recorded on 00:21:49.460 --> 00:21:55.240 i mean i gotta say the title track and war machine 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:59.740 oh yeah those are good ones uh but robert you 00:21:59.740 --> 00:22:03.180 may be disappointed here number one And I listened 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:05.660 to it tonight from the unplugged album with the 00:22:05.660 --> 00:22:10.200 boys rock and roll all night Party every day. 00:22:10.660 --> 00:22:13.220 I Was gonna mention that earlier because I know 00:22:13.220 --> 00:22:17.920 that they they all four do Do a vocal on that 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.900 version and I always like his Like his and Peters 00:22:21.900 --> 00:22:27.400 a lot. Yeah Okay Anything else on ace freely 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:32.069 this you want to talk about? Not really, um, 00:22:32.069 --> 00:22:37.410 just he's going to be missed. Um, and, uh, he'll, 00:22:37.470 --> 00:22:40.170 uh, he'll be on the, on the playlist for the 00:22:40.170 --> 00:22:42.910 weekend, um, for another, another week or two 00:22:42.910 --> 00:22:49.130 in a row. So rest in peace. Absolutely. All right. 00:22:49.210 --> 00:22:52.230 Yeah. My, my final thoughts, you know, we saw 00:22:52.230 --> 00:22:55.990 the reunion tour together in Birmingham, 1996. 00:22:56.869 --> 00:23:01.140 Yes. It's really special memory there. I honestly 00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:03.940 got into Kiss. What really, really kickstarted 00:23:03.940 --> 00:23:08.759 it for me was the Kiss Alive 3 album. So I'm 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:12.259 more of the Eric Singer on drums, Bruce Kulik, 00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:15.640 lead guitar, Paul and Gene. And then I went back 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:17.680 and I've got that appreciation for the old lineup. 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.759 But, you know, Ace is not my number one in the 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:26.180 original four. And, you know, like I said, I 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:27.940 don't know how you feel, but are you more of 00:23:27.940 --> 00:23:32.250 a fan of the 80s Kiss? Or the 70s Kiss? I'm more 00:23:32.250 --> 00:23:34.549 a fan of the 80s Kiss. That's when I first got 00:23:34.549 --> 00:23:38.650 into them. Crazy Nights is still one of my favorite 00:23:38.650 --> 00:23:42.230 Kiss albums of all time and I find myself listening 00:23:42.230 --> 00:23:46.430 to 80s Kiss more than 70s but you can't deny 00:23:46.430 --> 00:23:50.289 what an impact 70s Kiss had on rock and roll 00:23:50.289 --> 00:23:53.650 and going back and discovering it when I did. 00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:57.799 I can't put it down almost as much as I can't 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:01.960 put down the 80s kiss. So yeah, yeah, yeah, more 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:06.079 of an 80s. I mean, love crazy nights, love asylum, 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:11.579 hot in the shade, lick it up, animalize, love 00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:15.740 animalize. But yeah, more of an 80s guy. Yeah, 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:19.599 agreed. A lot of respect and a lot of appreciation 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:26.559 for Ace. and his imprint on rock and roll, hard 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:29.759 rock, really moving this thing forward. They 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.839 were so against the grain in the beginning. I 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:36.279 remember our own mother has admitted to us, she's 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:39.279 like, they were a joke band. They were not supposed 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:44.059 to, you know, make it out of the mid 70s. I mean, 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.660 just forget about still being a band and recording 00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:54.049 something like Dynasty or Unmasked. Or that just 00:24:54.049 --> 00:24:56.970 that strange period there unmasked music from 00:24:56.970 --> 00:25:01.630 the elder Yeah, then they just really Well, I 00:25:01.630 --> 00:25:03.369 don't know how successful creatures and lick 00:25:03.369 --> 00:25:06.910 it up really where they got some MTV Airplay 00:25:06.910 --> 00:25:10.650 and then just to kind of continue on into the 00:25:10.650 --> 00:25:14.549 Make it to the mid 90s to then recapture that 00:25:14.549 --> 00:25:19.509 old feeling Yeah I guess the the country was 00:25:19.509 --> 00:25:22.480 ready for it at the time and Ready for just to 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:27.339 come back. Yeah And I would say I enjoy the psycho 00:25:27.339 --> 00:25:30.140 circus record. I know that I don't think hasten 00:25:30.140 --> 00:25:33.339 Peter really played on it But their images were 00:25:33.339 --> 00:25:37.420 on it. Yeah So so I like it probably probably 00:25:37.420 --> 00:25:40.920 the last kiss record I really got into Yeah, 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.259 I mean, I love the title track psycho circus 00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:47.789 We are one is Some people look at that as kind 00:25:47.789 --> 00:25:50.170 of a fluff song just not really a lot of substance 00:25:50.170 --> 00:25:53.509 there I kind of enjoy going back to we are one 00:25:53.509 --> 00:25:56.470 It's all right. I love I pledge allegiance to 00:25:56.470 --> 00:26:01.450 the state of rock and roll. Oh, yeah Yeah into 00:26:01.450 --> 00:26:07.809 the void Mm -hmm, so it's solid record Well moving 00:26:07.809 --> 00:26:10.670 along here because let's face it. We talked about 00:26:10.670 --> 00:26:13.910 this Robert earlier today Just on this podcast. 00:26:13.910 --> 00:26:16.109 We did a an Aussie tribute now. We're doing an 00:26:16.109 --> 00:26:21.369 ace tribute Robert we're 46 47 years old all 00:26:21.369 --> 00:26:24.490 these rock and roll stars that we looked up to 00:26:24.490 --> 00:26:30.650 are 66 70 76 years old, I mean This is gonna 00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:34.309 continue happening and yeah, we also wanted to 00:26:34.309 --> 00:26:39.089 kind of get your take on that the coverage Eddie 00:26:39.089 --> 00:26:42.900 trunk does a great job Just in general. I really 00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:47.099 like that he's You know, he waves that flag and 00:26:47.099 --> 00:26:50.319 He's just really been the voice that people turn 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:54.059 to if they love hard rock heavy metal But uh, 00:26:54.380 --> 00:26:56.480 you know, how emotional can we get like we're 00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:58.339 this is gonna happen There's not be a lot of 00:26:58.339 --> 00:27:02.000 more a lot more space in between, you know some 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:06.319 of these big top stars are gonna keep dropping 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:10.480 so Do we keep crying? Do we keep? You know, because 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.400 I don't want to say it like that, but, you know, 00:27:13.420 --> 00:27:17.960 just picture our parents, people of another generation. 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.279 They saw a headline in a newspaper and they may 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:23.299 have seen something at the end of the evening 00:27:23.299 --> 00:27:25.200 news. And then they just were kind of alone with 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.380 their thoughts after that. When somebody died. 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.279 Yeah. You know, now we talk about it for like 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:36.319 three weeks. Yeah, I'm not going to cry over 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:40.589 it. I'm going to celebrate. their music, whoever's 00:27:40.589 --> 00:27:44.589 next, but I'm not gonna cry over it just because 00:27:44.589 --> 00:27:48.670 I didn't know the person, never met them. So 00:27:48.670 --> 00:27:51.970 it's harder for me to cry over a celebrity that's 00:27:51.970 --> 00:27:55.910 died just because I never met them. I can be 00:27:55.910 --> 00:27:59.410 sad they can't make music anymore and I can appreciate 00:27:59.410 --> 00:28:02.289 what their music meant to me, but I'm not gonna 00:28:02.289 --> 00:28:04.700 sit around and mope. You know, this is just, 00:28:04.700 --> 00:28:07.539 this is gonna keep happening. Ozzy was tough, 00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:11.099 I'll admit that. Ronnie James Dio was tough. 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.579 But, like, when Mick Mars dies, I'm not gonna 00:28:15.579 --> 00:28:18.859 cry. I'll listen to some Motley Crue. You know, 00:28:19.220 --> 00:28:22.279 when Rob Halford dies, I'll listen to some Judas 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.720 Priest. Yeah. But, as you said, I mean, it's, 00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:29.279 they're getting older, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:33.039 Ace isn't gonna be the last, so. I'll just rock 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.200 out to their music, you know, just try to have 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:38.640 a good time and I hope that when I die that people 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:44.200 I know Will let's pull crank up ingredients and 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:50.420 Yeah Dig up some old impalement Merch. Yeah. 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:54.180 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, or look if you knew me, it's 00:28:54.180 --> 00:28:57.319 okay to cry but if you didn't know me and you've 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.900 come across impalement, which is probably a rarity 00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:04.740 these days, crank that up. Yeah, and probably 00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:08.079 generally you would like for people to have a 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:11.440 fest or to say, hey, let's party the way that 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:17.460 Rob, what would he be doing? Yeah. And yeah, 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:21.140 I think that's all we can hope for is that, and 00:29:21.140 --> 00:29:22.900 really what we should focus on is the people 00:29:22.900 --> 00:29:26.640 that we know and care about. I don't want to 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:32.549 really dog anybody that's not 18 or 24 anymore 00:29:32.549 --> 00:29:35.710 and they're more like 44 or 54 and they're you 00:29:35.710 --> 00:29:39.250 know pretty attached to certain figures in rock 00:29:39.250 --> 00:29:42.509 and roll like oh man this is my ultimate hero 00:29:42.509 --> 00:29:47.069 like I don't want to make a lie to that I mean 00:29:47.069 --> 00:29:50.809 I was a teenager I was 18 19 when I heard Harry 00:29:50.809 --> 00:29:54.960 Carrey died suddenly and be big Cubs fan. I'm 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.099 watching them on WGN since I'm 10 years old. 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.440 I'm 18. I sat there in my dorm room and I cried. 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.259 I was about to walk out because I had to go to 00:30:02.259 --> 00:30:05.220 class and I had to stop myself for like a few 00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:12.119 minutes to collect, to get myself together. Yeah, 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:16.380 I was pretty upset. And you're right Ozzy, listening 00:30:16.380 --> 00:30:18.920 to some of the songs, I mean it gets you a little 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:24.680 emotional but these are people that Maybe maybe 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:27.400 you had a backstage moment with them one time, 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:31.900 but by and large they were not aware of your 00:30:31.900 --> 00:30:36.900 existence or ever ever Thinking about you Not 00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:38.720 even two minutes after you met him where they 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.480 thinking about you, you know, like when you hear 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.359 people Meet somebody for a second time that they 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:50.039 met 1987 as a hate. Hey Paul you know backstage 00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:54.660 you played indianapolis um on that asylum tour 00:30:54.660 --> 00:30:59.680 and uh and i got you to autograph this my you 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.640 know my album cover and uh man that was awesome 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.059 and you were telling me about the house that 00:31:04.059 --> 00:31:06.359 you guys just built and uh did you remember that 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:10.579 they don't remember it they don't and they and 00:31:10.579 --> 00:31:13.799 they don't care they're not concerned about this 00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.779 so we we just have to be mature i think is the 00:31:17.779 --> 00:31:22.099 way of putting it to Just have fun with it. It 00:31:22.099 --> 00:31:24.460 just kind of prompts you to get back. Let me 00:31:24.460 --> 00:31:28.980 go back into the KISS catalog and just have some 00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:30.740 fun with it. Right.