WEBVTT 00:00:04.169 --> 00:00:08.050 Danny do you I'm sure you do remember the 22 00:00:08.050 --> 00:00:13.050 inning Exposed Dodgers game August 23rd 1989 00:00:13.050 --> 00:00:17.910 which was at the time maybe without precedent 00:00:17.910 --> 00:00:22.750 scoreless until the 22nd inning It was unbelievable. 00:00:22.750 --> 00:00:25.489 I was there in the press box and sitting through 00:00:25.489 --> 00:00:30.030 it started on the 23rd and ended on the 25th 00:00:30.030 --> 00:00:35.960 So you can believe what going on more than two 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:39.899 full games and nobody scored. And there was a 00:00:39.899 --> 00:00:42.140 lot of interesting things that went on. Larry 00:00:42.140 --> 00:00:46.000 Walker in right field made what you call a phantom 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:50.479 catch of a ball that appeared to Grinder's club, 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:53.119 but he actually trapped it. But the umpires called 00:00:53.119 --> 00:01:02.439 it out. Larry Walker was also nailed for leaving 00:01:02.509 --> 00:01:06.849 third base on a sacrifice fly by Mike Fitzgerald. 00:01:07.030 --> 00:01:10.030 And they called him out. But Walker says he didn't 00:01:10.030 --> 00:01:14.269 leave early. There was something going on between 00:01:14.269 --> 00:01:16.549 him and some of the umpire. But he'd only been 00:01:16.549 --> 00:01:20.409 in the major leagues for a few games. And all 00:01:20.409 --> 00:01:22.590 of a sudden he was causing problems with the 00:01:22.590 --> 00:01:28.909 umpire. But you know, Dennis Martinez, the starting 00:01:28.909 --> 00:01:34.540 pitcher, came into Since the 22nd inning and 00:01:34.540 --> 00:01:38.200 Rick Dempsey headed out there his former teammate 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:44.120 in Baltimore so Very few relief performances 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:46.659 ever by Dennis Martinez. I need what wasn't exactly 00:01:46.659 --> 00:01:50.799 too happy, but Boy, that was a long game for 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:54.480 sure Yeah, I'm looking at the box score John 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.579 wetland for the Dodgers eventually comes over 00:01:57.579 --> 00:02:01.370 to the Expos gets the win It's wild looking at 00:02:01.370 --> 00:02:06.829 these box scores. The Dodgers use only five pitchers. 00:02:07.209 --> 00:02:09.270 It would be unheard of in today's game. Seven 00:02:09.270 --> 00:02:12.870 innings for Hersheiser. Seven scoreless innings. 00:02:13.370 --> 00:02:17.469 Two for Jay Howell. Alejandro Pena. Four scoreless. 00:02:17.610 --> 00:02:21.530 Tim Cruz. Three scoreless. Six scoreless for 00:02:21.530 --> 00:02:25.509 Wetland. Just insanity. Pascual Perez starts 00:02:25.509 --> 00:02:28.909 the game. Do you have any memories of Pascual 00:02:28.909 --> 00:02:34.750 Perez? He was called Francine Pasquale Perez 00:02:34.750 --> 00:02:38.189 because he loved to scoot around the field. He 00:02:38.189 --> 00:02:41.550 did not walk onto the field. He ran onto the 00:02:41.550 --> 00:02:43.770 pictured mound. And when the inning was over, 00:02:43.909 --> 00:02:46.509 he was running into the dugout. And then he would 00:02:46.509 --> 00:02:50.430 pull some tricks like pretending to throw the 00:02:50.430 --> 00:02:52.870 ball underneath his legs to second base to pick 00:02:52.870 --> 00:02:56.469 off the runner. He's pulling funny little tricks 00:02:56.469 --> 00:03:00.680 like that too. And he would... had this pitch. 00:03:00.699 --> 00:03:04.199 It was a really slow, up -and -ear pitch. I guess 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.939 they call it the office pitch, E -U -P -H -U 00:03:07.939 --> 00:03:11.360 -S or something. But he was a real showman. He 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:14.300 was really a character, and the media loved him. 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:17.319 The fans loved him. Management loved him. You 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:23.020 know, when he went to the Yankees in 1989 as 00:03:23.020 --> 00:03:27.460 a free agent, three years for $5 .7 million, 00:03:28.209 --> 00:03:31.849 The Expos offered him three for like maybe four 00:03:31.849 --> 00:03:36.009 and a half. Dave Dombraski was in tears when 00:03:36.009 --> 00:03:39.449 I talked to him when he signed with the Yankees 00:03:39.449 --> 00:03:41.990 because the Expos looked after him. He had a 00:03:41.990 --> 00:03:45.770 drug problem. They had taken him to meetings 00:03:45.770 --> 00:03:50.169 for, I guess AA meetings or rehab meetings in 00:03:50.169 --> 00:03:53.710 Montreal to help him out. They really cared for 00:03:53.710 --> 00:03:57.409 Pasquale Byrds. And when he went to the Yankees, 00:03:57.900 --> 00:04:00.379 He got back into his own drug problems and he 00:04:00.379 --> 00:04:01.919 had to be able to play pitch in the major GM. 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:07.139 So he was always a favorite of mine and the media 00:04:07.139 --> 00:04:11.180 and the fans and the management. You know, unfortunately, 00:04:11.379 --> 00:04:16.339 he got killed a number of years ago. Well, talking 00:04:16.339 --> 00:04:20.540 about reclamation projects, my favorite player 00:04:20.540 --> 00:04:25.459 is a tie between Rusty and Dennis Martinez. So 00:04:25.459 --> 00:04:27.800 because in 88, I got to know Dennis Martinez. 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.519 And since then, we've talked maybe two or three 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.959 times a year. He gave me a good scoop one time 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:40.240 in the dugout before a game. In the Expo dugout, 00:04:40.339 --> 00:04:43.480 he was the only player in the Expo dugout while 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:47.779 everybody was out doing BP and stretching. So 00:04:47.779 --> 00:04:50.779 I decided I'm going over to the doctor. He tells 00:04:50.779 --> 00:04:53.180 me that he signed a two -year contract extension. 00:04:53.860 --> 00:04:56.920 Nobody had it the next day. It's just unbelievable. 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:02.199 Gave me a great scoop. Wow. Yeah. And, you know, 00:05:02.459 --> 00:05:05.220 he made a great recovery from his alcohol problem 00:05:05.220 --> 00:05:09.720 with the X -Force. And he, uh, voted in the Canadian 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:13.279 Baseball Hall of Fame. He had 245 wins. He's 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.620 not quite good enough stats for Cooper's time, 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.560 but pretty good picture for the X -Force. And 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:21.839 speaking of Dandy Cat, do you think with the 00:05:21.899 --> 00:05:25.560 The budget limitations, I think even that 94 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:29.240 team, they were next to last in payroll and were 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.500 able to put that product out there. Do you think 00:05:32.500 --> 00:05:35.600 that Dan Duquette, you know, he's not trying 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:38.160 to get a bunch of ragtag guys, but like you said, 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:42.319 some guys that have some drug or alcohol problems 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.660 and he's just got to weigh it and say, I think 00:05:45.660 --> 00:05:48.420 we can do something here. This is not. This guy's 00:05:48.420 --> 00:05:50.920 not a total mess and I don't have a lot of money 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.439 like the Yankees or the Dodgers do so we're just 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.759 gonna take take a flyer on some guys and and 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:58.300 we think we can make it work with some others 00:05:58.300 --> 00:06:02.139 and just I almost feel like there's you get some 00:06:02.139 --> 00:06:05.379 of those guys together that are not Attractive 00:06:05.379 --> 00:06:07.939 to some of those other clubs with money and all 00:06:07.939 --> 00:06:10.160 of a sudden you've got a lively clubhouse You've 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.399 got a group of guys that they've got some life 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:16.029 experiences that they can relate and then the 00:06:16.029 --> 00:06:18.769 chemistry starts to form. Was that part of it, 00:06:18.810 --> 00:06:21.689 you think, with Duquette and how he had to assemble 00:06:21.689 --> 00:06:26.610 the roster? Yeah, there was a number. Dan and 00:06:26.610 --> 00:06:30.509 Dave Dombaski, I guess, and even Mo Cook. Tim 00:06:30.509 --> 00:06:34.370 Burke was a believer in the Mets system and had 00:06:34.370 --> 00:06:39.870 alcohol problems. And they decided to trade for 00:06:39.870 --> 00:06:43.209 him. I'm not too sure who that gave up for him, 00:06:43.230 --> 00:06:45.649 but he turned out to be a great movie pitcher 00:06:45.649 --> 00:06:49.949 until 1991 and he started to fade. And he made 00:06:49.949 --> 00:06:52.310 him with the Yankees, but he was traded to the 00:06:52.310 --> 00:06:54.850 Mets for Ron Dullin. And then, you know, Ron 00:06:54.850 --> 00:06:56.649 Dullin didn't last very long with the Expos. 00:06:57.230 --> 00:07:01.949 But you see, Oral Tan Boyd was another guy that 00:07:01.949 --> 00:07:05.910 the Expos brought in to replace Pasquale Perez. 00:07:06.029 --> 00:07:09.550 So they got another showman in return of Pasquale. 00:07:10.339 --> 00:07:14.339 But oil tatters are showing in himself, the colorful 00:07:14.339 --> 00:07:17.319 water running out of the field and punching the 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.000 air and so on. And he told me a funny story. 00:07:20.019 --> 00:07:23.699 Every time he'd come in after a picture, he would 00:07:23.699 --> 00:07:26.879 grin to the hallway side to dug out and smoke 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:31.000 cigarettes. But he wouldn't know what was going 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:34.459 on in the field. He would be concentrated on 00:07:34.459 --> 00:07:41.759 the scabs. But he was really, by the quote, So 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:45.560 I interviewed him for a book a couple of years 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:51.519 ago. But you're right that the expo knew that 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:55.019 they didn't have a lot of money to spend on these 00:07:55.019 --> 00:07:58.139 guys, but they wanted to take a flyer on them, 00:07:58.139 --> 00:08:00.699 as you say. And in most cases, they turned out 00:08:00.699 --> 00:08:04.980 pretty good, especially Dennis Martinez. That 00:08:04.980 --> 00:08:08.970 lasted, what, seven and a half years? I was going 00:08:08.970 --> 00:08:12.509 to ask for maybe some some thoughts on Philippe 00:08:12.509 --> 00:08:15.310 Alou. I love what you said. I couldn't agree 00:08:15.310 --> 00:08:18.529 more. He should have been a manager long before 00:08:18.529 --> 00:08:22.230 1992. It's, I mean, I want to say inexcusable 00:08:22.230 --> 00:08:24.329 when you kind of look, if you just kind of Google 00:08:24.329 --> 00:08:27.589 1988 managers in Major League Baseball, 89 or 00:08:27.589 --> 00:08:32.289 maybe even 1990, and it's a lot of accomplished 00:08:32.289 --> 00:08:36.090 names, some future Hall of Famers, but a lot 00:08:36.090 --> 00:08:38.659 of guys that look like you and me. and I don't 00:08:38.659 --> 00:08:41.740 know what Philippe had not proven by the end 00:08:41.740 --> 00:08:44.240 of the 90s or by the middle of the 80s that didn't 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:47.820 warrant giving him a shot, but I love what you 00:08:47.820 --> 00:08:52.539 say there that he had the bonafides and we just, 00:08:52.539 --> 00:08:55.820 I think as a society, just took us a little too 00:08:55.820 --> 00:08:58.940 long to put guys like him in the driver's seat. 00:08:59.740 --> 00:09:05.379 Yeah, for sure. After the 1982 season when Jim 00:09:05.379 --> 00:09:07.980 Fanning you know, Manning sat here after Blue 00:09:07.980 --> 00:09:11.059 Monday in 1981, they brought in Bill Burden, 00:09:11.220 --> 00:09:14.399 but that's when they sort of hired Felipe Alou. 00:09:14.899 --> 00:09:17.500 And when Bill Burden was done after two years, 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:20.340 they brought in Buck Rogers. Buck Rogers turned 00:09:20.340 --> 00:09:23.179 out to be a pretty good manager. But on the second 00:09:23.179 --> 00:09:26.039 attempt, instead of Buck, they probably should 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:31.340 have hired Felipe. But they, I've written about 00:09:31.340 --> 00:09:37.679 it, the Expos, they, maybe didn't want to give 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.000 colored people a chance as a manager. Charles 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.980 Brompton and John McHale and Jim Fanning all, 00:09:44.980 --> 00:09:47.419 you know, kind of like part of the white establishment. 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:53.120 But it took far too long for Felipe to be brought 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:57.899 in as manager. And, you know, in 90, after the 00:09:57.899 --> 00:10:00.440 buck was fired, that's when Dave Van Brotty should 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.399 have hired Felipe there, but then he hired Tom 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.840 Reynolds. But finally he got his chance. But 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.299 if Felipe had been brought in in the 80s, probably 00:10:09.299 --> 00:10:12.980 he would have maybe guided those guys to some 00:10:12.980 --> 00:10:15.779 championships. And, you know, maybe he would 00:10:15.779 --> 00:10:19.799 be a manager elected into Cooperstown, but he 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:22.799 didn't have enough wins to get into Cooperstown. 00:10:23.259 --> 00:10:26.179 But he was certainly a great manager. Yeah, some 00:10:26.179 --> 00:10:29.480 of the names from 92. And these are, like I said, 00:10:29.779 --> 00:10:33.059 future current Hall of Famers. Sparky Anderson. 00:10:33.289 --> 00:10:38.629 Bobby Cox, Roger Craig, Jim Fregrosi, Phil Garner, 00:10:39.370 --> 00:10:42.730 Mike Hargrove, Butch Hobson, Art Howell, Tom 00:10:42.730 --> 00:10:46.289 Kelly, Gene Lamont, Tony LaRusso, but it's only 00:10:46.289 --> 00:10:50.870 Felipe Alou and Cito Gaston, the two Canadian 00:10:50.870 --> 00:10:54.470 franchise managers that are of color. Unless 00:10:54.470 --> 00:10:56.570 I'm missing, or Hal McRae, I'm sorry, Kansas 00:10:56.570 --> 00:11:00.769 City Royals. I meant to mention this earlier, 00:11:00.769 --> 00:11:04.960 but the the chapter on, do you say Moisealu or 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:07.460 Moises? I've heard it said both ways. Moises. 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:12.899 Moisesalu and pre -arb players. You really go 00:11:12.899 --> 00:11:15.980 into some great detail about the situation that 00:11:15.980 --> 00:11:18.659 he ran into there in I believe it was 92, 93? 00:11:20.019 --> 00:11:26.580 Yeah, he was upset and the agent Bob Lamont because 00:11:26.580 --> 00:11:29.120 they were only going to offer him, I think originally, 00:11:29.299 --> 00:11:33.600 but I think about 290 in his third year when 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.659 he was not eligible for arbitration. He was a 00:11:35.659 --> 00:11:39.159 pre -op guy. And pre -op guys don't, they just 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:42.080 have to accept what the team is gonna give it 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:46.120 to them. So I wrote the story in the Globe and 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:50.720 Mail with Bob Lamont. And Bob Lamont is one of 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.679 the few times he's ever blown off steam to a 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:57.549 reporter about any whether... football or baseball. 00:11:57.769 --> 00:12:00.549 So I got a big scoop in the global mail that 00:12:00.549 --> 00:12:04.870 day. And then the media followed up on it in 00:12:04.870 --> 00:12:07.389 Montreal. And then when he got to spring training, 00:12:07.409 --> 00:12:12.269 he showed up several days late. And he arranged 00:12:12.269 --> 00:12:14.929 to meet with Bill Storm and Stoney decided to 00:12:14.929 --> 00:12:17.610 give him a necklace. They brought it up to, I 00:12:17.610 --> 00:12:20.370 think, gave him a 25 ,000 extra, bring him up 00:12:20.370 --> 00:12:25.149 to 315. But it's funny that year, the Blue Jays 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:29.860 and I've written about that before, the pre -op 00:12:29.860 --> 00:12:35.840 guys, Sean Green, Paolo Delgado, and Alex Gonzalez, 00:12:36.379 --> 00:12:39.919 they were going into their same year, and the 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:44.200 Blue Jays gave all three of them $500 ,000, but 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:47.720 they only wanted to give Moises and anybody else 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:51.179 who came along $315 ,000. That was the plateau, 00:12:51.379 --> 00:12:52.779 and that was it. They weren't gonna move on. 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:57.399 And most teams... never would do what the Blue 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:01.200 Jays did. 500 ,000, that was quite a nice chunk 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:04.700 of money for players going into their third year. 00:13:05.299 --> 00:13:08.039 And I wrote that story in the Globe and Mail 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:12.159 about those three guys. And then I said, I said 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:13.940 something in the story, I said they should be 00:13:13.940 --> 00:13:17.440 happy that they got 500 ,000. I heard it from 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:19.539 my Scuttlebutt that the guy didn't like what 00:13:19.539 --> 00:13:26.429 I wrote. But the Blue Jays, I've treated the 00:13:26.429 --> 00:13:29.429 Blue Eyed guys pretty good over here. And now 00:13:29.429 --> 00:13:33.629 the minimum wage is what? I think it's $760. 00:13:34.409 --> 00:13:39.870 So now they don't necessarily go too high for 00:13:39.870 --> 00:13:43.370 most of those guys. But anyway, you know, the 00:13:43.370 --> 00:13:47.490 Expos had a small payroll, so they had to cut 00:13:47.490 --> 00:13:51.990 costs anyway possible. Now Danny, you've called 00:13:52.090 --> 00:13:55.769 Toronto home for the past 25 or so years. Do 00:13:55.769 --> 00:13:57.710 you still do you get out to Blue Jays games? 00:13:57.809 --> 00:14:01.029 Do you still like to go to Major League ballparks? 00:14:01.549 --> 00:14:04.029 Well, I go maybe two or three times a year, you 00:14:04.029 --> 00:14:06.889 know, watch them a lot on TV and follow them. 00:14:07.070 --> 00:14:10.110 Like I tell people, I've been covered, excuse 00:14:10.110 --> 00:14:13.009 me, following the Blue Jays since 1977 when they 00:14:13.009 --> 00:14:16.750 came into being in the American League. And then 00:14:16.750 --> 00:14:19.350 there's a lot of these people in Hawaii. I'm 00:14:19.350 --> 00:14:22.429 an expose guy. So some of them like to pick on 00:14:22.429 --> 00:14:26.090 me and say, oh no, you're coming following the 00:14:26.090 --> 00:14:30.269 wrong team. But Canada's two major league ball 00:14:30.269 --> 00:14:34.710 teams, so started following the Expos in 69 and 00:14:34.710 --> 00:14:39.190 then the Blue Jays in 77. So the Blue Jays are 00:14:39.190 --> 00:14:42.710 still a team I follow. A couple other tidbits 00:14:42.710 --> 00:14:45.029 here. I'd love to continue talking for another 00:14:45.029 --> 00:14:47.769 hour. This has just been fascinating, Danny, 00:14:47.769 --> 00:14:50.090 and hopefully we can do it again in the future. 00:14:50.659 --> 00:14:53.919 Wanted to point out to you Jeff Fisero. I live 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:57.139 near Pensacola, Florida and about ten years ago 00:14:57.139 --> 00:15:00.539 2014 -15 He was the pitching coach for the double 00:15:00.539 --> 00:15:03.740 a Pensacola Blue Wahoos Which at that time I 00:15:03.740 --> 00:15:05.779 believe we were a Cincinnati Reds affiliate. 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.980 So I remember seeing Fisero on the field there 00:15:08.980 --> 00:15:13.100 were there some guys that Maybe took some time 00:15:13.100 --> 00:15:15.620 to warm up to you to give you a quote after a 00:15:15.620 --> 00:15:18.080 game Some guys that were a little standoffish 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:21.649 that you couldn't Figure out how to approach 00:15:21.649 --> 00:15:23.730 them and then as the season wore on or maybe 00:15:23.730 --> 00:15:28.750 a couple of seasons They you know were very eager 00:15:28.750 --> 00:15:30.710 to speak with you or comfortable talking with 00:15:30.710 --> 00:15:37.210 you. I would say as far as Acquiring interviews 00:15:37.210 --> 00:15:40.429 for all the different books Some of them didn't 00:15:40.429 --> 00:15:42.850 want to talk. I think I can say the majority 00:15:42.850 --> 00:15:47.669 but talk a few of them. I needed intermediaries 00:15:47.899 --> 00:15:53.000 uh like an agent or a scout for the team and 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.379 they went to that person said okay Danny would 00:15:55.379 --> 00:15:59.360 like to talk to you whereas on my own they had 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:04.100 not shown any interest in uh talking to me but 00:16:04.100 --> 00:16:10.120 um like Ken Phelps he in 1980 we played in 1982 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:13.200 and didn't play much he asked to be traded he 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:17.809 traded to Seattle and uh I wanted to talk to 00:16:17.809 --> 00:16:21.669 him because he was mentioned on Seinfeld. You 00:16:21.669 --> 00:16:27.809 know, he got traded to buy somehow and the Yankees 00:16:27.809 --> 00:16:33.110 were involved. And anyway, somebody gave me information 00:16:33.110 --> 00:16:35.769 that he lived in Phoenix or something. So I wrote 00:16:35.769 --> 00:16:39.389 a post letter. One of my strategies, Dan, and 00:16:39.389 --> 00:16:41.950 when I'm trying to contact people, I can't get 00:16:41.950 --> 00:16:45.570 ahold of my text, email. a phone call, it's right 00:16:45.570 --> 00:16:49.970 then post a letter by slow mo, slow mail. Oh, 00:16:49.970 --> 00:16:52.789 yeah. So he answered me, he called up one time, 00:16:52.929 --> 00:16:55.970 he said, it's Ken Phelps. Oh, shoot, I was really 00:16:55.970 --> 00:17:00.750 happy. So I talked about him in one of my chapters 00:17:00.750 --> 00:17:06.309 a couple of, a couple of years ago. So he talked 00:17:06.309 --> 00:17:08.589 about his time at the Expo, which wasn't very 00:17:08.589 --> 00:17:11.190 long. And then he talked about the thrill of 00:17:11.190 --> 00:17:16.119 getting mentioned on Seinfeld with Who's that 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:21.119 player? And the other player, I forget. But he, 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.680 see, the other player, Bill Stoneman was general 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:31.039 manager in 88, going back to 88 or 89, Jay Bruna 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:35.000 from the Yankee. Stoneman wanted Jay Bruna from 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:38.700 the Yankee for a trade. And he's willing to trade, 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:43.259 oh, I forget. But Buck Rogers talked Stoney out 00:17:43.259 --> 00:17:47.519 of the trade because Buck told Stoney he wanted 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:50.420 Dave Martinez, that little outfielder with the 00:17:50.420 --> 00:17:54.980 Cubs. And so they traded, and the Yankees moved 00:17:54.980 --> 00:17:57.839 on and talked to other people and traded him, 00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:02.440 J. Bernard, to Seattle. And Stoneman traded Mitch 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:05.880 Webster, who had a few good years and then was 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:09.220 fading, traded him to the Cubs for Dave Martinez. 00:18:10.230 --> 00:18:14.029 But Jay Brunner went on and had a number of big 00:18:14.029 --> 00:18:19.509 years with the Murners. You know, Dave Martinez, 00:18:20.569 --> 00:18:24.730 I mentioned this before, it's one of those affairs 00:18:24.730 --> 00:18:27.210 that I mentioned from time to time in my books. 00:18:27.450 --> 00:18:32.630 He was traded from the Cubs to the Expos because 00:18:32.630 --> 00:18:37.829 Ryan Sandberg found out Dave Martinez was fooling 00:18:37.829 --> 00:18:41.940 around with his wife. So he went to Jim Fry. 00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:45.119 Sandberg went to Jim Fry and said, look, do you 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:47.759 trade me or trade Martinez? Of course, they're 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.700 not going to trade Martinez. They're not going 00:18:49.700 --> 00:18:52.140 to trade Sandberg. He's the best player, maybe. 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:55.339 So they traded Martinez. I think I remember hearing 00:18:55.339 --> 00:19:00.319 that story. But as far as players, when I was 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:04.299 playing, I can generally say that a lot of them 00:19:04.299 --> 00:19:07.160 were pretty good cooperatives. Would you ever 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:09.640 have guys Talk to you a little bit off the record. 00:19:09.660 --> 00:19:11.220 You're just sitting and all of a sudden now you're 00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:14.440 just hanging out and what they ever Say things 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:17.579 to you without mentioning any names like Describing 00:19:17.579 --> 00:19:19.720 some personal problems that they're going through 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:23.079 or hey, I've got a lot on my mind right now sometimes 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:25.720 as fans we see a certain player going through 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:27.500 a slump and we don't know that maybe he's going 00:19:27.500 --> 00:19:31.799 through a divorce or has some problem with one 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:34.960 of his kids getting into trouble or just You 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:37.609 know lost a mother a father or things like that. 00:19:37.710 --> 00:19:39.450 Did any guys ever open up to you and just say, 00:19:39.589 --> 00:19:41.170 hey, look, just don't, obviously don't print 00:19:41.170 --> 00:19:45.450 this, but... Yeah, I'm trying to think of guys 00:19:45.450 --> 00:19:50.049 who fit into that question. I asked a guy I know 00:19:50.049 --> 00:19:55.410 now, Jimmy Carl, for the next book. He was like 00:19:55.410 --> 00:19:58.250 passed over by the Expos for a few years in the 00:19:58.250 --> 00:20:03.410 minority. And then in 2002, he got his chance 00:20:03.410 --> 00:20:08.259 to... play with that team when they were first 00:20:08.259 --> 00:20:11.819 owned by Major League Baseball. So he's a guy 00:20:11.819 --> 00:20:14.839 who I had to get his agent to get him to talk 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:17.400 to me, because I made a phone call to him several 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:25.400 years ago. And so his mother died while he was 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:28.220 playing, not for the Expos, but for somebody 00:20:28.220 --> 00:20:32.240 else. So he told me about that. And her favorite 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.859 color was purple. and he was traded to the Rockies, 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:39.339 which their favorite color is purple. Oh, wow. 00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:44.400 So he told me a number of different stories that 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.279 he was like, yeah, he was just a part time player, 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:52.579 one of these guys that not a star player. And 00:20:52.579 --> 00:20:56.099 I love that kind of a story. So I do that story 00:20:56.099 --> 00:20:59.339 talking about him growing up. That's how I like 00:20:59.339 --> 00:21:01.680 to do talk about the player when they're growing 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:04.369 up as well, not just in Major League. but in 00:21:04.369 --> 00:21:08.390 the minor league, a tight or whatever. And Jamie 00:21:08.390 --> 00:21:12.029 Carl ended up with more than 10 years of Major 00:21:12.029 --> 00:21:16.009 League service, good for a full pension. Just 00:21:16.009 --> 00:21:19.650 a part -time player, playing for a number of 00:21:19.650 --> 00:21:24.950 teams, just a hell of a guy. And he appreciated 00:21:24.950 --> 00:21:29.230 me writing about him. He said, I think it gives 00:21:29.230 --> 00:21:31.690 me, I'm very humbled that you're writing about 00:21:31.690 --> 00:21:36.480 me. Now that's so rewarding and I love that you 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:39.299 take an interest in those types of players and 00:21:39.299 --> 00:21:42.019 Help to humanize them because they are part of 00:21:42.019 --> 00:21:45.180 the narrative of the Montreal Expos Especially 00:21:45.180 --> 00:21:49.500 now I don't know that you know fans are with 00:21:49.500 --> 00:21:53.519 social media Some fans can be really really hard 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:56.380 on players Not that players aren't used to getting 00:21:56.380 --> 00:21:59.940 heckled but the death threats and the just awful 00:21:59.940 --> 00:22:04.240 things that they say and post social media they 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:07.160 just see these guys as commodities but they're 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:12.480 human beings with wives and families and I don't 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:15.539 even think when we hear that a guy hits the IL 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:19.599 for 10 days or 60 days that we really care about 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:22.920 the injury or what this is gonna what repercussions 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:24.940 this has for his life for the next three months 00:22:24.940 --> 00:22:28.099 because it could be a really depressing period 00:22:28.099 --> 00:22:31.299 for an athlete You're in the middle of a playoff 00:22:31.299 --> 00:22:32.500 chase and now all of a sudden you're sitting 00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:35.880 on your sofa with your dog running around and 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:37.619 just flipping through the channels. I don't think 00:22:37.619 --> 00:22:39.440 people really think about stuff like that, but 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:43.000 you do a great job and go into fascinating detail 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:46.220 on some of these players that I don't think you're 00:22:46.220 --> 00:22:48.799 going to get from any other source or many other 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:53.180 sources. So thank you for that. I appreciate 00:22:53.180 --> 00:22:58.400 that going into detail, as you say, getting inside 00:22:59.110 --> 00:23:03.430 insider quotes and fascinating information that 00:23:03.430 --> 00:23:05.569 would be appealing to readers. So that's really 00:23:05.569 --> 00:23:08.990 what it is to, you know, to say humanizing these 00:23:08.990 --> 00:23:12.369 players, even the star players, you know, like 00:23:12.369 --> 00:23:16.190 humanizing them too and talking about their lives. 00:23:16.589 --> 00:23:23.970 You know, Tim Wallach in 1989, 1991, 92, I wrote 00:23:24.299 --> 00:23:27.019 a fair amount of him that he was disappointed 00:23:27.019 --> 00:23:29.839 in the contract talks and he was getting less 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:34.259 money than Andres Galarraga and Tim Booker. They 00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:36.859 were making more money than him. And there was 00:23:36.859 --> 00:23:41.039 more of the agent that was telling me all this 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:46.119 stuff. And Tim pulled me aside one game of Montreal 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:48.640 is that, you know, look at Danny, you're going 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:50.940 to talk about this. Talk to me. Don't talk to 00:23:50.940 --> 00:23:58.549 my agent. So, Tim, you know, he's a really quiet, 00:23:59.049 --> 00:24:05.990 intense, passionate player. Hard to say, I can't 00:24:05.990 --> 00:24:10.369 say that Tim is somebody that really admires 00:24:10.369 --> 00:24:13.950 me, but I've always admired him for the way he 00:24:13.950 --> 00:24:18.930 played. Solid third baseman and pretty good hitter 00:24:18.930 --> 00:24:22.619 for all those years. He has been kind of even 00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:24.700 after all these down on me because of all of 00:24:24.700 --> 00:24:28.440 this stuff and he he Bunch of those guys in the 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:30.940 club house hated Dennis Martina because he's 00:24:30.940 --> 00:24:33.940 always mouthing off the media and and the guys 00:24:33.940 --> 00:24:37.539 in the left -hand corner like I call them Tom 00:24:37.539 --> 00:24:41.059 Foley and Dennis Martinez They hate me when I 00:24:41.059 --> 00:24:47.079 go and talk to Dennis Martinez You had a really 00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:50.299 really good perspective when you're around these 00:24:50.299 --> 00:24:54.759 guys all the time, you know who gets along with 00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:59.039 who and when there's nine guys on the field, 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:01.619 you know that this guy hates this guy's guts, 00:25:01.940 --> 00:25:05.460 but they're on the same team and they gotta focus 00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:08.140 on getting the next out. But you were probably 00:25:08.140 --> 00:25:11.619 acutely aware of when the shortstop and the center 00:25:11.619 --> 00:25:17.599 fielder are not on speaking terms. And when Dennis 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.839 Martinez pitched his no -hitter perfect game 00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.799 to July the 20th, 1991, one of the first guys 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.359 to hug him is Tim Wallach. Even though they didn't 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.359 get along, it had been acknowledged in the media 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:32.460 that they didn't ever get along because Wallach 00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:35.240 didn't like Martinez spouting off. Sometimes 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.339 he'd criticize the hitters. If they had no offense, 00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:40.880 he'd criticize the hitters. And of course, Wallach 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:44.259 and those guys didn't like that. But in that 00:25:44.259 --> 00:25:48.769 moment, Tim Wallach hugged Dennis Martinez That 00:25:48.769 --> 00:25:55.109 baseball will do that Finally I know I was saying 00:25:55.109 --> 00:25:57.849 probably 20 minutes ago got a wrap up but uh, 00:25:58.089 --> 00:26:00.470 I like the way that this book is written and 00:26:00.470 --> 00:26:02.970 I've I've got some catching up to do on the other 00:26:02.970 --> 00:26:06.829 on the other titles, but Danny you really have 00:26:06.829 --> 00:26:10.990 some fun with these chapters But what I wanted 00:26:10.990 --> 00:26:14.920 to call out was and I laughed out loud The chapter 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.480 is called Olympic Stadium Bullshit. It's exactly 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.839 what it is. That right away just told me, I'm 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.059 two pages in, I'm looking at the table of contents 00:26:24.059 --> 00:26:25.799 before I start reading. I think, okay, this is 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:29.640 going to be a fun book. Yeah. So the Olympic 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:33.359 Stadium has been a fiasco since it came into 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:37.319 being in 1976, especially with the roof, a lot 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.200 of times would never work. So a lot of times 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.250 you just kept it permanently closed. And now 00:26:45.250 --> 00:26:48.630 the ladies ridicule is that they're spending 00:26:48.630 --> 00:26:52.269 870 million Canadian to fix up the roof and the 00:26:52.269 --> 00:26:56.150 technical ring around the roof. And it's another 00:26:56.150 --> 00:26:59.069 joke about the Olympic stadium. So I mentioned 00:26:59.069 --> 00:27:02.650 earlier that when they were fixing up the Olympic 00:27:02.650 --> 00:27:06.390 stadium with the roof and they reconfigured it 00:27:06.390 --> 00:27:10.910 to not have a baseball field as part of the complex. 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.539 So that entered into my headline of Olympic Stadium 00:27:14.539 --> 00:27:23.819 Bullshit. So, you know, it's been a, what's the 00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:29.240 word, a cavernous stadium, wide open. And Rob 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:32.019 Manfred has said that if a new team does come 00:27:32.019 --> 00:27:34.180 to Montreal, they have to have a new stadium 00:27:34.180 --> 00:27:37.859 in downtown Montreal. But I think there's suddenly 00:27:37.859 --> 00:27:41.049 a way that I think they could play in Olympic 00:27:41.049 --> 00:27:44.670 Stadium for one or two years while the new stadium 00:27:44.670 --> 00:27:49.029 is built, if it ever comes to fruition. But they 00:27:49.029 --> 00:27:52.430 might still be able to use Olympic Stadium because 00:27:52.430 --> 00:27:55.329 when the Blue Jays were playing there, they brought 00:27:55.329 --> 00:27:58.869 it up to Major League Baseball standards with 00:27:58.869 --> 00:28:02.470 different types of little renovations. I wrote 00:28:02.470 --> 00:28:05.930 this down in around 2000. I guess there was an 00:28:05.930 --> 00:28:10.859 architect. that the Expos hired to put together 00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:12.779 a rendering of what I guess what they were gonna 00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:16.859 call the Bat Park would look like under the Loria 00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:21.680 ownership. And this just never came to be for 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:25.259 various reasons. But that was, I guess, a downtown 00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:28.039 conceptualized stadium. It looked like they were 00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.019 trying to go the opposite of what maybe some 00:28:30.019 --> 00:28:32.859 of the new ballparks of that time were going 00:28:32.859 --> 00:28:36.970 for, more of a concrete and steel look. Yeah, 00:28:37.829 --> 00:28:40.130 they, you know, Claude Boucher thought he had 00:28:40.130 --> 00:28:44.369 something going in 97, 98, and the lawyer thought 00:28:44.369 --> 00:28:48.549 he had something. The Quebec Premier in the day 00:28:48.549 --> 00:28:52.650 that Boucher told Bud Selig and Claude Boucher 00:28:52.650 --> 00:28:56.329 at a meeting in Montreal or wherever, Quebec 00:28:56.329 --> 00:28:58.990 City, that the Quebec government was not prepared 00:28:58.990 --> 00:29:04.960 to support funds for a new stadium in Montreal 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:10.220 when they're closing hospitals in Quebec. So 00:29:10.220 --> 00:29:14.839 the Quebec Premier, you know, not exactly maybe 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:20.440 a baseball fan per se, but they just didn't get 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:23.920 the job done or it was lawyer, you know, Bourjou. 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:28.079 And people are down on Bourjou because of the 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.740 94 situation and not getting the stadium done. 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:35.359 But I've always been in Brochure's corner. Every 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.460 book I write, I'm in Brochure's corner, even 00:29:38.460 --> 00:29:41.140 though that thing happened in 1994, where you 00:29:41.140 --> 00:29:44.339 get rid of those guys. And we have a good relationship, 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.359 but I've never liked Jeffrey Loria. But, nah. 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.940 Like I said in my post today, when he fired Philip 00:29:52.940 --> 00:29:56.220 P. A. Lewis as a tracer, he leaked it to the 00:29:56.220 --> 00:30:00.000 New York Times. Jack Curry with the New York 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.279 Times at the time and now he's with the US network, 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.000 but He wanted to leak the news to the New York 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.220 Times because he used to while he still lives 00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:13.200 in New York City Gloria, but Hopefully sometime 00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.200 in the next few years somebody's gonna come along 00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.019 and maybe you have the funds to on the team. 00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:22.220 You never know Well Danny with your again, like 00:30:22.220 --> 00:30:25.720 I said earlier with your help and I know there's 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.529 a documentary No Amor, the saga of the Montreal 00:30:29.529 --> 00:30:33.309 Expos, the memorabilia. Maybe, like you said, 00:30:33.509 --> 00:30:37.509 2029 is maybe at least a year that will reveal 00:30:37.509 --> 00:30:42.150 some more, give us some prospects of what's realistic. 00:30:43.210 --> 00:30:46.250 The No Amor documentary is one thing, and the 00:30:46.250 --> 00:30:49.950 annual Expos Fest autograph festival that held 00:30:49.950 --> 00:30:55.519 every April since, oh, it's 10 years now. A thousand 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.059 people show up, they pay $200 a shot, a lot of 00:30:59.059 --> 00:31:02.319 grass, a meal, and free beer and wine. That's 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:06.920 another example of the interest showing in a 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.660 new team. And then there's another documentary 00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:15.079 coming out sometime in 2025 or 2026 on Netflix, 00:31:15.819 --> 00:31:20.000 talking about the Expos again. So you never know 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.160 in the next few years that something might happen. 00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:27.579 But it's going to take a lot of money, Dan. Well, 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.720 Danny, I want to call out some of the titles. 00:31:31.180 --> 00:31:32.940 This is not comprehensive because there's a few 00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:34.519 more and there's a couple of books that you've 00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:38.359 written that are not expos related. But here's 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.480 some to check out, folks. I also had this listed, 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.440 of course, explosion. We've been talking about 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:48.119 today. Always remembered. New revelations and 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.599 old tales about those fabulous expos. Blue Monday. 00:31:52.009 --> 00:31:54.930 This is a book that Danny on another episode 00:31:54.930 --> 00:31:58.890 said that some of his fans or readers, they just 00:31:58.890 --> 00:32:01.130 won't buy this one. It's too depressing for them. 00:32:01.309 --> 00:32:04.750 But Blue Monday is the Expos Dodgers and their 00:32:04.750 --> 00:32:08.609 home run that changed everything. There is never 00:32:08.609 --> 00:32:12.190 forgotten tales about Ron LaFleur, Ron Hunt and 00:32:12.190 --> 00:32:15.569 other Expos yarns from 69 to 04. There's bases 00:32:15.569 --> 00:32:20.069 loaded. There is ecstasy to agony. There's you 00:32:20.069 --> 00:32:23.930 don't forget homers like that. So I urge you 00:32:23.930 --> 00:32:26.369 if you're and you can find all these titles on 00:32:26.369 --> 00:32:29.049 Amazon or wherever you buy books if you've got 00:32:29.049 --> 00:32:31.470 that special baseball fan in your life or you 00:32:31.470 --> 00:32:34.890 are that special baseball fan and I emphasize 00:32:34.890 --> 00:32:40.289 baseball fan whether or not you follow the Expos 00:32:40.289 --> 00:32:43.170 or You just have some nostalgia about baseball 00:32:43.170 --> 00:32:46.390 which who doesn't if you're a fan. This is a 00:32:46.390 --> 00:32:51.240 great gift idea and a great diversion from whatever 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:52.940 is happening in your life, and you just need 00:32:52.940 --> 00:32:55.519 to get your hands on something that's a page 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.700 turner and take your mind off of whatever is 00:32:58.700 --> 00:33:01.759 stressing you in 2025, which could be anything 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:05.200 really the way that things are happening. But 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.799 I see what I'm doing. I'm keeping the exposed 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.720 legacy alive. And it's another example of the 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.160 enthusiasm I'm trying to create, you know, for 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:18.039 another team. That's what I'm doing. But I'm 00:33:18.059 --> 00:33:20.819 creating and writing stories for the benefit 00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:23.900 of X -Bowls fans, what when there's no team there. 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.779 I'm keeping the legacy alive. They have not a 00:33:26.779 --> 00:33:29.980 team for 21 years, but I love writing about the 00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:34.759 X -Bowls. It's just, if I think, you know, without 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:38.900 Danny Gallagher and these titles, and you always, 00:33:39.380 --> 00:33:41.480 you know, with the consistency here, if you've 00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:45.500 been reading, you can be sure another one's probably 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:48.039 coming pretty soon. think it's comforting to 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.539 a lot of baseball fans and Montreal Expos fans 00:33:50.539 --> 00:33:54.960 that you're out there blowing the horn and again 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:59.019 Thank you as a baseball fan. I've a long time 00:33:59.019 --> 00:34:01.039 into the episode now to reveal I'm a Chicago 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:05.640 Cubs fan But I remember in those late or 89 early 00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:09.739 90s mid 90s We were National League East division 00:34:09.739 --> 00:34:12.860 rivals. I watched a lot of games between the 00:34:12.860 --> 00:34:17.969 Cubs and Expos and I really appreciate what you're 00:34:17.969 --> 00:34:23.309 doing. Yeah. Thank you so much. It's been a baseball 00:34:23.309 --> 00:34:26.469 has been a passion of mine. I grew up playing 00:34:26.469 --> 00:34:30.289 baseball, competitive, adult baseball for 27 00:34:30.289 --> 00:34:32.670 consecutive years in different parts of Canada, 00:34:32.989 --> 00:34:36.630 where I was reporter and then to get on the beat 00:34:36.630 --> 00:34:41.409 in 1988, it just electrified my passion for baseball 00:34:41.409 --> 00:34:45.329 and the Expos. And thank you so much for having 00:34:45.329 --> 00:34:48.630 me on the show. It's been a real blast, Dan, 00:34:49.329 --> 00:34:51.750 talking to you and reliving all these memories. 00:34:52.510 --> 00:34:55.250 Oh, I love it. I love it, Danny. Trying to think 00:34:55.250 --> 00:34:57.889 of a question I haven't asked to wrap us up here, 00:34:57.889 --> 00:35:00.170 but how about something that maybe you haven't 00:35:00.170 --> 00:35:03.750 been asked? Every ballpark has, you know, hot 00:35:03.750 --> 00:35:06.630 dogs and other things on the menu. Was there 00:35:06.630 --> 00:35:10.670 anything there at Olympic Stadium that you liked? 00:35:11.269 --> 00:35:14.349 Are you a hot dog guy? or what was something 00:35:14.349 --> 00:35:15.929 that was if you're going to the concession stand 00:35:15.929 --> 00:35:17.909 at Olympic Stadium and somebody like me, you 00:35:17.909 --> 00:35:19.929 never went there, never saw a ball game there, 00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:22.349 what would you say, hey, you need to try this? 00:35:23.489 --> 00:35:26.829 Well, they had, you know, hot dogs, but they 00:35:26.829 --> 00:35:30.070 also had poutine, which is famous in Quebec and 00:35:30.070 --> 00:35:33.489 Montreal. And then, you know, even before the 00:35:33.489 --> 00:35:38.150 game, they had the OOPA band stirring up excitement. 00:35:38.409 --> 00:35:44.460 That was one of them. of expose games and Fernand 00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:49.239 Lapierre on the organist playing different songs, 00:35:49.300 --> 00:35:51.699 you know, take me out to the ball game. And so 00:35:51.699 --> 00:35:54.699 there was the food and then there's the ambience 00:35:54.699 --> 00:35:58.980 that created a nice atmosphere at the expose 00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:03.840 games at Jerry Parker Olympic Stadium. And then 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.579 those guys walking around throwing the fruits 00:36:07.579 --> 00:36:14.159 were pretty noisy. And let me not forget to make 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:18.019 mention of Yuppie. Exactly. There's another famous 00:36:18.019 --> 00:36:22.760 character since 1979, and he got thrown out of 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:26.179 the game in the 22 -D game by Tommy Lasorda. 00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:29.159 I was about to say, wasn't it Yuppie that really 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.579 got under Lasorda's skin one particular game, 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:38.469 or maybe multiple times? I don't know. the video 00:36:38.469 --> 00:36:41.510 on the third day, he goes like this, pointing 00:36:41.510 --> 00:36:47.789 to you, but you're out of here. Since then, for 00:36:47.789 --> 00:36:50.690 all these years after, before you died, everybody's 00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:54.349 all criticizing Tommy Lasorda for doing that. 00:36:54.929 --> 00:37:00.150 Yeah. Okay. People are on social media. Where 00:37:00.150 --> 00:37:02.469 can they find you? What's the handle for Danny 00:37:02.469 --> 00:37:06.489 Gallagher again? Yeah. On Twitter, it's Daniel 00:37:06.489 --> 00:37:11.070 Gallagher G -A -N -N -O Gallagher G -A -L -L 00:37:11.070 --> 00:37:15.670 -A -G -H -R -7. Daniel Gallagher 7. And on Facebook, 00:37:15.710 --> 00:37:19.130 I'm just simply Danny Gallagher. I'm not on Instagram 00:37:19.130 --> 00:37:22.730 or anything like that. Real lightning round of 00:37:22.730 --> 00:37:25.050 names here, just to throw them out here. Fellow 00:37:25.050 --> 00:37:33.309 Dan Expos. Dan Schatzeter, 1977 to 80. Dan Warthen, 00:37:33.650 --> 00:37:40.110 1975 and 76. Dan Smith 99 to 0 1 And I've got 00:37:40.110 --> 00:37:44.190 a Dan McGinn the inaugural season 69 through 00:37:44.190 --> 00:37:48.469 the 72 season Yeah, that's pretty good. I Got 00:37:48.469 --> 00:37:51.269 like 10 shots today. You really get to talk if 00:37:51.269 --> 00:37:54.650 you ever want to Talk to him. Let me know. Oh, 00:37:54.670 --> 00:37:57.429 I was I'm glad you asked cuz I figured I'm I 00:37:57.429 --> 00:37:59.869 might ask you for recommendations cuz I've tried 00:37:59.869 --> 00:38:06.460 exactly any time that some of these guys No. 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.539 Yeah, the ball players that I've been able to 00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:12.920 get, it's, it's really difficult for me and my 00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.760 perch to go through Major League Baseball team 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.659 to talk to an active player. But if it's a retired 00:38:19.659 --> 00:38:23.099 player, I've found one of my guests on LinkedIn, 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.460 found another one, just dug up an email address 00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:30.539 online. I have tried the snail mail. I got one. 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:34.440 It was the Kentucky Derby winner. Uh, not a baseball 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.469 guy, but uh, the jockey for a Kentucky Derby 00:38:37.469 --> 00:38:41.809 winner through snail mail so reading your book 00:38:41.809 --> 00:38:44.949 and I can appreciate how resourceful you must 00:38:44.949 --> 00:38:48.710 be to get in touch with these guys or anytime 00:38:48.710 --> 00:38:51.869 that I can help you with shots his nickname is 00:38:51.869 --> 00:38:57.489 shots okay well um it's always been nice for 00:38:57.489 --> 00:39:00.769 folks then shots that I text him or talk to him 00:39:00.769 --> 00:39:03.820 he's just super I'd love to have him on the show. 00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.480 I appreciate that Danny Okay. Well folks check 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.239 him out if you go on YouTube and if you listen 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:12.900 to other podcasts if you're on Spotify or Apple 00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:14.800 You can probably find some of these but Danny 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.539 has appeared on the bookshelf conversations. 00:39:17.539 --> 00:39:21.260 He's been on judgment calls great Canadian sports 00:39:21.260 --> 00:39:27.119 show he's been on Expos hidden stories stay home 00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.380 with Sabre Society for American baseball research 00:39:30.909 --> 00:39:33.250 and good seats still available and probably some 00:39:33.250 --> 00:39:37.449 more. But what a treat today. Was really looking 00:39:37.449 --> 00:39:39.769 forward to this, Danny, and you did not disappoint. 00:39:40.469 --> 00:39:43.110 So I've had such a great time talking with you 00:39:43.110 --> 00:39:47.190 today. Yeah, thanks again, Dan. Anytime. It's 00:39:47.190 --> 00:39:51.349 just been so much fun today. Wonderful. Well, 00:39:51.409 --> 00:39:53.469 folks, that's it for this episode of Dan Time. 00:39:54.130 --> 00:39:56.329 Thanks for listening. Tell a friend about it 00:39:56.329 --> 00:40:00.119 and follow Danny Gallagher. Hey, get started 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:01.960 with any of these books, but I really like the 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:04.199 explosion here. One thing we didn't talk about 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:05.840 on the back of the book, and we'll just save 00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.659 this for you, the listener, to learn more about. 00:40:08.780 --> 00:40:12.679 But there is, you may not know, a Tom Brady connection 00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:16.539 to the Expos. But it's just packed with just 00:40:16.539 --> 00:40:19.420 excellent stories for you or your baseball fan 00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:23.719 friends. Have a great rest of the week, and let's 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:25.940 see those Spos back in. There's always hope. 00:40:26.329 --> 00:40:28.969 Hope springs eternal. So let's see those spose 00:40:28.969 --> 00:40:32.250 in action again. May take another 10 or 20 years, 00:40:32.389 --> 00:40:36.630 but okay. Thank you, Danny. Take care. Thanks 00:40:36.630 --> 00:40:37.929 for being on the show today.