WEBVTT 00:00:02.850 --> 00:00:05.129 I learned a long time ago that any time I have 00:00:05.129 --> 00:00:09.470 an opportunity to see any kind of, you know, 00:00:09.810 --> 00:00:13.189 well -renowned or well -resorted musical act, 00:00:13.710 --> 00:00:16.350 it does not matter if I'm a fan of the band or 00:00:16.350 --> 00:00:18.629 the artist. It does not matter if I'm even a 00:00:18.629 --> 00:00:21.050 fan of the genre. If I've got the opportunity, 00:00:21.170 --> 00:00:23.410 I probably should go because I'm going to end 00:00:23.410 --> 00:00:27.829 up adoring it just because, again, seeing people 00:00:27.829 --> 00:00:32.210 that are so good at their craft is there's something 00:00:32.210 --> 00:00:35.310 about it that I just I love to see even if I 00:00:35.310 --> 00:00:38.869 wouldn't ever listen to it on my own I think 00:00:38.869 --> 00:00:41.909 the example comes to mind right now I inadvertently 00:00:41.909 --> 00:00:44.969 ended up seeing Lamb of God a couple of years 00:00:44.969 --> 00:00:48.310 back and I did not yeah I did not leave a Lamb 00:00:48.310 --> 00:00:50.390 of God fan I did not go in a Lamb of God fan 00:00:50.390 --> 00:00:52.869 it's a little bit heavier than what I like but 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.759 For those 45 minutes where I was watching them 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:58.640 on stage, I absolutely was a huge fan. It was 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:01.679 a phenomenal show. It's funny you mentioned them. 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:08.000 I've seen them live, uh, I think 2007. I've got 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:09.980 three brothers or two brothers. I'm one of three 00:01:09.980 --> 00:01:13.879 and our oldest was waving the heavy metal flag 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:17.560 at an early age. So we had my, I'm the middle 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:19.260 and my younger brother, we had no chance. We 00:01:19.260 --> 00:01:23.859 were going to be some version of metalheads and 00:01:23.859 --> 00:01:30.579 so that's kind of what I got into starting around 00:01:30.579 --> 00:01:34.480 yeah 14 15 and then into early 20s I branched 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.599 out into independent artists and but I love and 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:40.879 if you listen to prior episodes I've had people 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.079 from from the metal genre on I love to have them 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.840 on here but yeah Lamb of God wow that's what 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.000 I wasn't expecting that one but they put on a 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.120 quite a performance Oh, it was stellar. I mean, 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:57.640 it was so tight and I saw them with a full disclosure. 00:01:57.739 --> 00:01:59.900 The reason I went was because Trivium was on 00:01:59.900 --> 00:02:03.280 the bill and I've got an opportunity to see Trivium. 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:04.980 I didn't get to see them back in the day when 00:02:04.980 --> 00:02:07.640 I was really into them. You know what? I might 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:10.259 as well go to the show and they were opening 00:02:10.259 --> 00:02:14.080 for, as I said, Lamb of God and also Megadeth. 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:17.840 And well, first of all, it was a phenomenal show. 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.199 All of the acts were phenomenal. They were so 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:23.800 tight. A Lamb of God, like you're saying, that 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:26.780 show, man, it was so, so... They were musically 00:02:26.780 --> 00:02:31.379 tight. The effects were phenomenal. They were 00:02:31.379 --> 00:02:34.900 so locked in together. The performances were 00:02:34.900 --> 00:02:40.039 just top of their craft. And like I said, I didn't 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:42.000 leave and immediately go start listening to Lamb 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.319 of God. But I did thoroughly enjoy them for that 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:49.039 set. I did actually leave and start listening 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:51.340 to Megadeth. I was not a fan of Megadeth before 00:02:51.340 --> 00:02:54.240 that, and now I have very strong feelings about 00:02:54.240 --> 00:03:00.240 Dave Mustaine, so go figure. David Elveson used 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.219 to play bass, long -time bassist for Megadeth. 00:03:02.259 --> 00:03:05.400 He's got a podcast I've been listening to. I 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.400 should probably drop recommendations in the middle 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.080 of these episodes more often, but yeah, the David 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:13.080 Elveson show. It's great, even if you don't know 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.699 much about Megadeth or... that type of music. 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.199 It's really neat stories from the years and years 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:22.240 and the miles that he spent. I'm absolutely gonna 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:24.340 have to check that out. I'm sure he's got all 00:03:24.340 --> 00:03:27.460 kinds of stories. But I can definitely hear Ghost 00:03:27.460 --> 00:03:30.219 River Revival a little bit heavier, especially 00:03:30.219 --> 00:03:33.680 with on Medicine Woman, Natasha Nix. I didn't 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:36.020 want to go this far in the episode without mentioning 00:03:36.020 --> 00:03:40.500 Natasha. How did you get, did she reach out to 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:42.240 you? How'd you get involved with this project? 00:03:45.449 --> 00:03:50.909 It's, man, that's a long story. Natasha is another 00:03:50.909 --> 00:03:53.330 one of those people that is just phenomenal. 00:03:54.110 --> 00:03:59.750 And I've got three shows with that band coming 00:03:59.750 --> 00:04:01.909 up the next three days. We're hitting the road 00:04:01.909 --> 00:04:05.650 after you and I get off the call, actually. I 00:04:05.650 --> 00:04:07.669 feel so phenomenally lucky to get to work with 00:04:07.669 --> 00:04:12.469 her. So the guitar player in that band and myself, 00:04:12.750 --> 00:04:15.270 have known each other for quite a while. We've 00:04:15.270 --> 00:04:17.850 worked together off and on for over a decade 00:04:17.850 --> 00:04:22.129 now and we were in a band about a decade ago 00:04:22.129 --> 00:04:26.149 that, we'll say that it's not the band that was 00:04:26.149 --> 00:04:27.649 necessarily the problem, although it had its 00:04:27.649 --> 00:04:30.250 problematic moments, but there were experiences 00:04:30.250 --> 00:04:34.189 with that band that have really soured me on 00:04:34.189 --> 00:04:37.050 major label interactions. We'll just leave that 00:04:37.050 --> 00:04:41.689 at that. He and I, we worked together for years 00:04:41.689 --> 00:04:43.550 and often all through the years we continued 00:04:43.550 --> 00:04:49.269 to work together. So Natasha, she used to come 00:04:49.269 --> 00:04:51.769 to a lot of shows. She was always in the scene. 00:04:51.810 --> 00:04:55.689 She was always around. And none of us, none of 00:04:55.689 --> 00:05:01.189 us had a clue that she could sink, right? Because 00:05:01.189 --> 00:05:07.410 she didn't ever sink. So when COVID happened 00:05:07.410 --> 00:05:11.750 and the world shut down, She decided I'm gonna 00:05:11.750 --> 00:05:17.189 start singing and As restrictions started to 00:05:17.189 --> 00:05:19.430 lift and a few things started to open back up 00:05:19.430 --> 00:05:24.550 she started going to do karaoke and The guitar 00:05:24.550 --> 00:05:28.769 player I mentioned talked her into You know doing 00:05:28.769 --> 00:05:31.910 an acoustic thing with him. He plays she sings 00:05:31.910 --> 00:05:37.410 and I basically I said You know, there's no way 00:05:37.410 --> 00:05:41.459 that that you're keeping this to yourself, right? 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:45.439 We're going to go ahead and flesh this out. And 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:50.220 it's hilarious because at the time, the guitar 00:05:50.220 --> 00:05:52.279 player and I were in another project that we 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:54.959 were pursuing seriously. And unfortunately, you 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.259 know, things fall apart. They don't always stick. 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.319 But we were going to start something with Natasha 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.939 that was it was going to just be a for fun, right? 00:06:04.060 --> 00:06:07.220 It was going to be we're going to play. some 00:06:07.220 --> 00:06:09.759 covers we like, we're going to do some theme 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:12.759 shows we want to do, and it's going to be low 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.100 stress, and we're just going to do it for fun. 00:06:16.660 --> 00:06:22.120 And our first show, we did about, I want to say, 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:28.540 20 covers of 90s country songs. Everything from 00:06:28.540 --> 00:06:32.120 Neon Moon up to some Shania Twain stuff, and 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:37.769 it was a disaster. It was a disaster. The first 00:06:37.769 --> 00:06:40.230 set was great, but the last set was so, so, so 00:06:40.230 --> 00:06:46.990 bad. We left and we said, okay, now hold on. 00:06:47.709 --> 00:06:50.110 What was working here? What was not working here? 00:06:50.370 --> 00:06:52.970 Because we really should have stopped after that 00:06:52.970 --> 00:06:57.889 show. That second set was so rough. But we had, 00:06:58.470 --> 00:07:00.610 as I had mentioned, the guitar player and I, 00:07:00.810 --> 00:07:03.930 we had another project that was doing things 00:07:03.930 --> 00:07:08.759 at that time. And we had a few gigs that were 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:13.300 on the books before that band fell apart. And 00:07:13.300 --> 00:07:15.199 when that band, you know, just kind of started 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:20.240 to fall apart, I called the promoter and I said, 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:24.319 all right, here's the deal. You know, these shows 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:26.740 are in, and it was like two or three shows back 00:07:26.740 --> 00:07:30.860 then. These shows are in three weeks. You know, 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:32.379 I can either give you the bad news that we've 00:07:32.379 --> 00:07:36.699 got to cancel or I can give you this other band 00:07:36.699 --> 00:07:40.839 that half of this act is in anyway." And they 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:43.339 said, okay, we'll take the other act that half 00:07:43.339 --> 00:07:46.279 of you are in. And like I said, this was actually 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.540 before we played that disastrous show. So I had 00:07:49.540 --> 00:07:53.300 no idea how rough that back half of that show 00:07:53.300 --> 00:07:56.240 was going to be. So after that terrible country 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:01.600 show, we had about three weeks to figure out 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:07.480 what to do. We started pooling what we knew together. 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:09.279 Like I said, the people in this band, they've 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:12.720 been playing, you know, off and on for quite 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:14.920 some time. And we just sat down, we said, all 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:17.139 right, here's the list of common things we know 00:08:17.139 --> 00:08:21.339 and what we had in common with a lot of soul, 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:25.980 a lot of old school R &B, and a lot of 90s rock. 00:08:26.939 --> 00:08:31.500 And we said, okay, we've got a set list out of 00:08:31.500 --> 00:08:33.690 this. we'll go do it and we went we did it it 00:08:33.690 --> 00:08:37.730 was fantastic it went so much better people really 00:08:37.730 --> 00:08:39.809 enjoyed it and we came home and said okay well 00:08:39.809 --> 00:08:41.830 that went really well and we don't want it to 00:08:41.830 --> 00:08:46.730 stop and here we are we didn't stop but but yeah 00:08:46.730 --> 00:08:49.029 that's how that started it was uh it was just 00:08:49.029 --> 00:08:50.990 going to be those two doing an acoustic thing 00:08:50.990 --> 00:08:58.669 and then i just kind of marched my way in i love 00:08:58.669 --> 00:09:03.200 these i love these stories on how these unlikely 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.220 pairings happened and then I guess we're a band 00:09:07.220 --> 00:09:14.980 now yeah the drummer in that band we we really 00:09:14.980 --> 00:09:17.259 had been wanting to work with him off at home 00:09:17.259 --> 00:09:21.279 for some time but he had we were under the impression 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:24.500 that he had basically gotten burned out on music 00:09:24.500 --> 00:09:28.019 he was playing with this the fantastic soul band 00:09:28.019 --> 00:09:32.440 and and then he He left them for reasons that, 00:09:33.820 --> 00:09:36.299 like I said, sometimes people have differences 00:09:36.299 --> 00:09:39.299 and life happens and you just fall off. This 00:09:39.299 --> 00:09:43.399 is Michael Rogers? That is Michael Rogers, yeah. 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.960 And we felt that he was not going to be attainable 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:52.960 because, man, he was working like 60 hours a 00:09:52.960 --> 00:10:00.500 week for an extermination company. It just seemed 00:10:00.500 --> 00:10:02.360 like he was not going to have time or anything 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:06.559 like that. But somehow we got him talking to 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:10.539 coming in and sitting down and it's all just 00:10:10.539 --> 00:10:16.139 falling together real nicely. It's been great. 00:10:16.740 --> 00:10:20.340 The guy that plays keys and sax with us, Taylor 00:10:20.340 --> 00:10:23.639 Cheatwood, we've known him off and on for years. 00:10:25.950 --> 00:10:28.289 fortunate enough that I've recorded with him 00:10:28.289 --> 00:10:32.309 in the past for other projects and that's a lot 00:10:32.309 --> 00:10:34.610 of the networking that's just how it works is 00:10:34.610 --> 00:10:38.009 oh hey I know this person I've done things with 00:10:38.009 --> 00:10:40.570 them before I think they might be interested 00:10:40.570 --> 00:10:43.610 let's give them a call see what happens and then 00:10:43.610 --> 00:10:47.029 yeah you end up with with something like this 00:10:47.029 --> 00:10:49.889 which is again very different from from the Wendy 00:10:49.889 --> 00:10:53.809 situation which was She knew she wanted to work 00:10:53.809 --> 00:10:57.529 with Grant Walden as the producer there. And 00:10:57.529 --> 00:11:00.470 she just said, put me a band together to do these 00:11:00.470 --> 00:11:02.629 songs. So he just picked up the phone and started 00:11:02.629 --> 00:11:06.970 calling people. And so even though a couple of 00:11:06.970 --> 00:11:09.490 us had worked, I don't think any of us had worked 00:11:09.490 --> 00:11:11.789 with everyone in that room, but all of us had 00:11:11.789 --> 00:11:15.789 worked with somebody in that room before. And 00:11:15.789 --> 00:11:19.649 yeah, you can get on any kind of streaming platform 00:11:19.649 --> 00:11:22.789 and hear how that turned out. So yeah, it's just 00:11:22.789 --> 00:11:24.570 different ways. There's different approaches 00:11:24.570 --> 00:11:27.309 to get it handled. I have more than one way to 00:11:27.309 --> 00:11:30.610 scan a cat, they say. And then, so Dan, like 00:11:30.610 --> 00:11:34.090 about a year later, your first live performance 00:11:34.090 --> 00:11:37.570 as a group with Ghost River Revival at the Lava 00:11:37.570 --> 00:11:43.350 Room in Florence. And then you've kind of attracted 00:11:43.350 --> 00:11:45.750 kind of a local following that likes to come 00:11:45.750 --> 00:11:48.590 out and see you guys perform. Yeah, we've been 00:11:48.590 --> 00:11:52.299 very fortunate in that regard. That uh, yeah, 00:11:52.340 --> 00:11:54.639 we we only had our first show like you're saying 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:57.500 a little over a year ago now And that was that 00:11:57.500 --> 00:12:00.639 terrible, uh, that terrible country ordeal that 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:05.220 I told you about um, I was gonna ask you if you 00:12:05.220 --> 00:12:08.700 played some john anderson, maybe straight tequila 00:12:08.700 --> 00:12:16.159 night, I always like, uh I think I know we did 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.779 because we Every once in a while whenever we 00:12:20.779 --> 00:12:23.179 are in a situation where we're trying to figure 00:12:23.179 --> 00:12:26.600 out If we need to throw something else in the 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:30.679 set with We still choke about Breaking that out 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:32.480 even though we have no intention of doing it. 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:35.799 Oh, yeah, we absolutely we absolutely did we 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.740 did Seminole wind I also got the set lifts around 00:12:39.740 --> 00:12:42.840 somewhere I'm so glad that y 'all have that actually. 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.000 Oh wow. I just do it out there because I've always 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:46.879 loved that song I feel like John Anderson kind 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.000 of gets lost in the shuffle as the years go on, 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:52.919 unfortunately, but I remember being in, you know, 00:12:53.179 --> 00:12:55.820 early twenties, hanging out in a bar, if the 00:12:55.820 --> 00:12:58.320 room was getting too quiet or the jukebox, the 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.379 songs ran out, nobody was pumping quarters in 00:13:00.379 --> 00:13:02.960 it. Seminole Wind was one of those songs where 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:05.419 I would think, let's just get the action going 00:13:05.419 --> 00:13:07.460 a little bit here. Let me play Seminole Wind. 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:12.539 I still love it. Yeah, you know, it's great. 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.639 a very melancholy sounding kind of song and you 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.139 know it's very environmentally conscious which 00:13:20.139 --> 00:13:23.879 is you know really strange to think about if 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:28.159 you compare that to country music that that is 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:33.759 currently on the radio you know it's very different 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:36.659 it's a very different vibe in a number of ways 00:13:36.659 --> 00:13:40.019 and like you're saying i'm afraid the end result 00:13:40.019 --> 00:13:45.240 is people like him end up getting lost in the 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.500 shuffle and that's a shame because that is a 00:13:48.500 --> 00:13:51.480 Truly fantastic song like it's truly special. 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:55.779 I think yes bigger bigger ideas bigger subjects 00:13:55.779 --> 00:14:01.279 beyond just Whiskey is the answer to all my sorrows 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.259 Right, and I don't know what to say, you know, 00:14:04.259 --> 00:14:08.580 but yeah those songs also have their place but 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:10.600 I can't, you know, they probably shouldn't all 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:14.779 be that way. Dan, I also want to call out, before 00:14:14.779 --> 00:14:18.299 I forget, you guys, I guess, partnered with Victoria 00:14:18.299 --> 00:14:21.159 Mitchell on a t -shirt design. This is a really 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:26.480 cool t -shirt. Oh, she's great. Yeah, she does, 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.399 you know, a good bit of graphic design in the 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.220 area. There's a little bit more for us. Yeah. 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:34.919 She's actually the curator at the Hall of Fame 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:38.019 here in town. I don't think a lot of people know 00:14:38.019 --> 00:14:42.460 how gifted she is at graphic design, but absolutely. 00:14:43.820 --> 00:14:47.600 Yeah, I love that design. I think she told me 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:49.820 one time that she based it on the Great Wave. 00:14:50.899 --> 00:14:53.559 Yeah, I was looking at the image. Would people 00:14:53.559 --> 00:14:55.320 still need to see you live to get their hands 00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:00.120 on that shirt or any merch? No, no. We do have 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.100 a site. It's actually down for maintenance right 00:15:03.100 --> 00:15:06.159 now because You wear many hats in a project like 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.740 this, and I have been a very bad web developer 00:15:08.740 --> 00:15:14.740 lately. But no, that is, the site is up, it is 00:15:14.740 --> 00:15:18.399 available, or if it's, it'll probably be up again 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.360 by the time this episode airs, we'll say that. 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:23.360 But yeah, no, there's a web store on there and 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:27.720 absolutely can order it there. Some other merch, 00:15:27.899 --> 00:15:31.570 it's coming, but it's not yet available. because 00:15:31.570 --> 00:15:33.850 again, it's a really young project and we've 00:15:33.850 --> 00:15:40.629 just now started on that side of things. I don't 00:15:40.629 --> 00:15:42.909 want to say we didn't expect it to work well, 00:15:43.610 --> 00:15:48.309 but we were all kind of surprised by how consistently 00:15:48.309 --> 00:15:51.490 we were getting booked and how consistently people 00:15:51.490 --> 00:15:55.169 were enjoying these things, what we were creating 00:15:55.169 --> 00:15:58.539 in the shows. So we're really just now starting 00:15:58.539 --> 00:16:01.360 to get the gears turning on having a merch out 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:05.320 there and available. But the t -shirts are out 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:08.320 there, there's another design coming. Later this 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.679 summer, early this fall, there should be, you 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:13.379 know, for the people that like collecting physical 00:16:13.379 --> 00:16:16.679 media, there should be a vinyl record available. 00:16:18.659 --> 00:16:22.980 Still real hesitant to say firmly on that one 00:16:22.980 --> 00:16:25.200 way or the other because You know, we're still 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.600 waiting to find out exactly when we're going 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:31.059 to be able to get that into production. Those 00:16:31.059 --> 00:16:33.480 plants have a way of getting really busy and 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:35.600 really backed up, but that is coming. It just 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.279 may not be as I hope it to be. But yeah, the 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:41.340 t -shirt is available and the website and everything 00:16:41.340 --> 00:16:44.159 is available. You can find us through Facebook, 00:16:45.700 --> 00:16:48.940 Instagram, website, it's kosherrevival .com. 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:52.710 Yeah, there's... It's there for anybody that 00:16:52.710 --> 00:16:56.789 wants to come find it. It really helps out small 00:16:56.789 --> 00:17:01.389 bands like ourselves. I was in another band for 00:17:01.389 --> 00:17:06.950 some time that toured extensively and I'll never 00:17:06.950 --> 00:17:13.049 forget the day we had a Spotify royalty check 00:17:13.049 --> 00:17:17.650 come in and we had gotten something like 80 ,000 00:17:17.650 --> 00:17:22.380 streams. you know that the quarter that that 00:17:22.380 --> 00:17:25.660 was paying out for uh or whatever amount of time 00:17:25.660 --> 00:17:28.920 it was and i remember looking at that and going 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:34.500 if somebody buys a t -shirt then we're better 00:17:34.500 --> 00:17:39.200 off than getting 80 000 streams uh through these 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.660 streaming services i think maybe the math was 00:17:41.660 --> 00:17:43.579 it was if somebody bought two t -shirts if we 00:17:43.579 --> 00:17:46.299 sold two t -shirts to the show uh it was more 00:17:46.299 --> 00:17:49.609 successful than what I consider to be at the 00:17:49.609 --> 00:17:52.690 time a fairly large number of streams. And that's 00:17:52.690 --> 00:17:54.890 a whole nother conversation. It's one of the 00:17:54.890 --> 00:17:58.250 things that's absolutely altered the landscape 00:17:58.250 --> 00:18:02.170 of the music industry. And I guess we'll find 00:18:02.170 --> 00:18:04.890 out in coming years if that's a positive or not. 00:18:06.230 --> 00:18:09.750 But yeah, you know, you buy a t -shirt, that's 00:18:09.750 --> 00:18:11.690 a tank of gas to get the band to the next gigs. 00:18:12.910 --> 00:18:15.980 That kind of stuff. If you're the kind of person 00:18:15.980 --> 00:18:19.240 that likes to go out to shows and support local 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.839 music, support touring bands, things like that, 00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:26.259 buying a piece of merch, it's hard to overstate 00:18:26.259 --> 00:18:30.079 the impact that can have on one of those bands. 00:18:31.339 --> 00:18:34.380 I try to remind my friends too, when we go to 00:18:34.380 --> 00:18:36.960 concerts, visit the merch booth, find something 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.059 you like, even if you're looking around and you 00:18:40.059 --> 00:18:43.900 just can't make up your mind and they've got 00:18:43.900 --> 00:18:46.740 a sticker. and you just want to get a five dollar 00:18:46.740 --> 00:18:49.960 sticker or button or you know some some of the 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:52.140 the low -hanging fruit items they appreciate 00:18:52.140 --> 00:18:54.039 all that stuff you don't have to spend fifty 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:56.019 dollars in i think sometimes people get in your 00:18:56.019 --> 00:18:58.440 head that oh my gosh if i walk over this merch 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:02.140 booth i'm going to hand over 50 60 bucks there's 00:19:02.140 --> 00:19:06.079 usually some of those uh alternative items if 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:09.240 you're running tight or you ran up a bar tab 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:13.119 that was 50 % higher than what you had budgeted 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:17.240 at the beginning of the night And it's you know, 00:19:17.420 --> 00:19:20.279 just as you say, you know most bands that I'm 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:22.640 aware of are conscious of that kind of thing 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.519 and you know because yeah, man, you know money 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.319 it's hot we're human right and It's important 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:32.359 to have something on the table that that somebody 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:34.839 can pick up for a few bucks if they you know 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:36.700 if they've decided they're going to get something 00:19:36.700 --> 00:19:39.150 or if they just want to take a look and you know, 00:19:39.230 --> 00:19:42.990 see what there is. And, yeah, it's important 00:19:42.990 --> 00:19:45.589 to have an item there that they can pick up for 00:19:45.589 --> 00:19:48.609 a few bucks instead of chopping how much for, 00:19:48.769 --> 00:19:51.829 ever how much for a t -shirt or, man, it's been 00:19:51.829 --> 00:19:54.609 a while since I've gotten hoodies priced, but 00:19:54.609 --> 00:19:57.410 I seem to remember the last time I looked into 00:19:57.410 --> 00:19:59.329 getting hoodies made, there was no way we were 00:19:59.329 --> 00:20:00.589 going to be able to get them made and sell them 00:20:00.589 --> 00:20:04.069 for less than 40 or 50 bucks. Our cost of production 00:20:04.069 --> 00:20:07.750 was going to be pretty much right there. Well, 00:20:07.750 --> 00:20:10.890 I guess I should clarify we try to use we try 00:20:10.890 --> 00:20:13.470 to use a local small businesses to make our merch 00:20:13.470 --> 00:20:15.549 Oh, you know, we try to support the local community 00:20:15.549 --> 00:20:18.430 in that way You know, I guess it depends on each 00:20:18.430 --> 00:20:20.710 individual band and their their philosophy as 00:20:20.710 --> 00:20:25.190 far as merch goes and things like that but yeah, 00:20:25.190 --> 00:20:28.150 we try to have things that are that are much 00:20:28.150 --> 00:20:31.130 less expensive because It can get out of hand 00:20:31.130 --> 00:20:33.470 real fast that merch table can get out of hand 00:20:33.470 --> 00:20:36.920 real fast Dan sometimes I will go to concerts 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:40.799 and i will buy a t -shirt for my wife because 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:45.019 she'll wear stuff that she has no idea what it's 00:20:45.019 --> 00:20:47.539 you know maybe i have to get her interested in 00:20:47.539 --> 00:20:51.519 the band or play a few songs for but um she people 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:53.599 listening if you've got a boyfriend girlfriend 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:58.460 or brother mom dad and they just everybody needs 00:20:58.460 --> 00:21:00.740 a new t -shirt so sometimes you don't have to 00:21:00.740 --> 00:21:02.420 think oh well i don't know if i would wear it 00:21:02.420 --> 00:21:05.769 but It's always a gift idea sometimes going up 00:21:05.769 --> 00:21:09.410 to the merch booth think beyond If you're gonna 00:21:09.410 --> 00:21:11.750 wear it or or whatever you probably have someone 00:21:11.750 --> 00:21:14.630 that would be happy to have a new shirt that 00:21:14.630 --> 00:21:17.430 you can't just Walk into Walmart and come out 00:21:17.430 --> 00:21:21.170 with Man, I wish more people thought like you 00:21:21.170 --> 00:21:24.630 Yeah, no, that's fantastic and that's excellent 00:21:24.630 --> 00:21:28.269 points. Yeah That's a t -shirt, you know, even 00:21:28.269 --> 00:21:29.910 if you don't know anything about the band like 00:21:29.910 --> 00:21:31.910 you're saying or yeah, even if you hate them 00:21:31.930 --> 00:21:34.589 It's a t -shirt. It's not like you, it's not 00:21:34.589 --> 00:21:36.710 like hating the band makes it not a t -shirt. 00:21:37.029 --> 00:21:39.269 It's not something you can't wear, you know? 00:21:39.869 --> 00:21:41.930 I said it's about an hour and it went by very 00:21:41.930 --> 00:21:46.309 fast. It did. Well, Dan, you've been so gracious 00:21:46.309 --> 00:21:49.150 with your time. I have just, just been soaking 00:21:49.150 --> 00:21:52.670 up this conversation and I, I'd love to have 00:21:52.670 --> 00:21:56.029 you back on. We'll probably. Yeah. What I'd like 00:21:56.029 --> 00:21:59.049 to do is maybe we can reconnect. Cause I didn't 00:21:59.049 --> 00:22:03.430 mention the hacks from bass. Oh, yeah, yeah So 00:22:03.430 --> 00:22:05.950 we may have to talk about that later, but I'd 00:22:05.950 --> 00:22:08.569 love to it's a it's a little unusual Yeah, I'd 00:22:08.569 --> 00:22:11.049 be I'd be thrilled to I'll spend way too much 00:22:11.049 --> 00:22:15.630 time talking about gear Yeah, maybe we can reconnect 00:22:15.630 --> 00:22:19.109 and just do some gear talk maybe a 15 minute 00:22:19.109 --> 00:22:23.569 chat on that That sounds great Okay. Well folks 00:22:23.569 --> 00:22:27.099 be sure to check out pretty much wherever your 00:22:27.099 --> 00:22:29.099 fingers are tapping. If you're on Facebook a 00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:32.700 lot, you can find Ghost River Revival. If Instagram 00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:35.480 is your thing, you know, check out Lindy Urban. 00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:38.119 A lot of good stuff here. And the website, as 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:41.759 Dan mentioned. You guys, get out there, support 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:44.799 your local concert venues. You're always, if 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:47.259 you go when you can, you'll find new artists 00:22:47.259 --> 00:22:51.859 like Dan Williams and Ghost River Revival. And 00:22:51.859 --> 00:22:55.079 if you're in Florence, Sheffield, Muscle Shoals. 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:58.039 I think you know where to go. Anything else Dan 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:02.000 before we wrap it up here? No, just thank you 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:05.079 so much for having me and I'll look forward to 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:07.420 speaking with you again soon. Well, thanks for 00:23:07.420 --> 00:23:10.180 being on Dan Time. Folks, you guys, everybody 00:23:10.180 --> 00:23:12.339 out there have a wonderful week and we'll see 00:23:12.339 --> 00:23:15.039 you next Sunday on the Dan Time podcast. Thank 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:17.680 you, Dan Williams. Thank you.