WEBVTT 00:00:06.010 --> 00:00:08.470 I'm very excited I took a look at everything 00:00:08.470 --> 00:00:12.390 and I think I think it's a fascinating idea there's 00:00:12.390 --> 00:00:15.710 so many there's so many Dan's and Daniel's and 00:00:15.710 --> 00:00:19.109 Danielle's and Danny's and oh man we need to 00:00:19.109 --> 00:00:21.870 we need to limit the name or or you know retire 00:00:21.870 --> 00:00:24.809 it or you know pause it let it have a cool down 00:00:24.809 --> 00:00:30.039 something But you got a brilliant idea, so, hey. 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:33.960 Oh, well, thanks, Dan. Yeah, it was, you know, 00:00:34.060 --> 00:00:36.799 like you said, you start realizing, well, there's, 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:39.340 you know, Danny for short, D -A -N -I, and then, 00:00:39.340 --> 00:00:42.119 of course, guys named Danny with the Y. I thought, 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:45.500 well, shoot, let's just explore the whole Daniverse. 00:00:46.899 --> 00:00:51.159 Hey, and that's brilliant. There's so, so many. 00:00:52.859 --> 00:00:56.920 So, yeah, I think you finally, you did it. of 00:00:56.920 --> 00:00:59.640 one time it's been it's been several years ago 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.380 but i'm still friends with a few of these people 00:01:02.380 --> 00:01:06.299 on social media but i want to say maybe right 00:01:06.299 --> 00:01:09.840 before covid i got added to a massive group chat 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:14.400 on facebook that was nothing except other people's 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.980 names dan williams which is a little bit more 00:01:16.980 --> 00:01:19.599 specific than what you've got going here but 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:21.959 i'm just assuming there's got to be all these 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:23.900 other group chats out there you know it's like 00:01:23.900 --> 00:01:29.269 all right Trust me. It has crossed my mind and 00:01:29.269 --> 00:01:32.769 I've done some some light research on other Dan 00:01:32.769 --> 00:01:35.069 McArdles in the world, which there are a few 00:01:35.069 --> 00:01:39.530 so I have Scratched the surface. I've seen a 00:01:39.530 --> 00:01:42.829 few out there and I thought well, let's not just 00:01:42.829 --> 00:01:46.230 What when I stick to? Creative types, you know, 00:01:46.269 --> 00:01:48.549 you get people that are maybe a little animated. 00:01:48.549 --> 00:01:50.510 They have a story to tell maybe something to 00:01:50.510 --> 00:01:54.810 promote so not Every Dan is a perfect candidate 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.599 I turn to the world where all Dan's have a pursuit 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:04.299 that they are just enamored with and fueled by. 00:02:05.099 --> 00:02:09.099 I would love it. But to your point, yeah, they, 00:02:09.219 --> 00:02:11.319 it's not everybody out here in the grind because 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:14.740 the grind sucks. So I already had this moment. 00:02:16.419 --> 00:02:18.819 Well, Dan, it's great to officially welcome you 00:02:18.819 --> 00:02:21.460 to the Dan Time Podcast. Thank you so much for 00:02:21.460 --> 00:02:23.979 carving out some time in your busy schedule. 00:02:25.239 --> 00:02:27.199 I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:30.280 me. I found your Facebook page, which led me 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:34.259 to Lindy Urban and which led me to Ghost River 00:02:34.259 --> 00:02:38.319 Revival. And I didn't know until just a little 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:40.680 while ago that you're also an English instructor. 00:02:40.780 --> 00:02:45.439 Is that correct? That is, yeah. That's where 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:49.180 I actually met our mutual acquaintance. Well, 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:51.560 you know, going to college to become one, but 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:55.629 yeah. I teach at a small community college in 00:02:55.629 --> 00:02:59.430 northwest Alabama. I'm very fortunate. I love 00:02:59.430 --> 00:03:04.030 it and obviously I love music as well. We like 00:03:04.030 --> 00:03:06.949 to joke that there's much easier ways to go broke, 00:03:07.189 --> 00:03:12.229 so you have to love it. Yeah, it's good times 00:03:12.229 --> 00:03:17.129 all around. Well, for Ace, maybe it was a year. 00:03:17.210 --> 00:03:19.830 It was my second grade year and a little bit 00:03:19.830 --> 00:03:22.020 into the following summer, I lived in Florence, 00:03:22.020 --> 00:03:26.819 Alabama. So not too, too far from Muscle Shoals. 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.740 Oh, no, no, no. That is, man, the Quad Cities 00:03:30.740 --> 00:03:33.439 are one city that just, they've not made peace 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:36.780 with it yet. Muscle Shoals, Ciscumbia, Florence, 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:38.780 and Sheffield like to pretend they're four different 00:03:38.780 --> 00:03:41.680 towns. But if you, if you look at the population 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:45.479 of those four towns, you got one, one decent 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.370 sized metro area. They just need to go ahead 00:03:49.370 --> 00:03:52.490 and unite and call it a day. Although, with you 00:03:52.490 --> 00:03:56.729 being in Florence, across the river, and you 00:03:56.729 --> 00:03:58.849 know, folks around here do not love to cross 00:03:58.849 --> 00:04:03.090 that river for some reason. Yeah, I remember 00:04:03.090 --> 00:04:05.409 that we, you know, I knew Sheffield was there. 00:04:05.430 --> 00:04:07.229 I don't think we went over to Sheffield very 00:04:07.229 --> 00:04:10.169 often. Does everybody kind of hang out in their 00:04:10.169 --> 00:04:15.129 little pocket areas? Really, yeah. It's a weird 00:04:15.129 --> 00:04:18.939 little town. The whole thing is kind of strange. 00:04:19.860 --> 00:04:22.540 So, you know, there's Muscle Shoals, which, with 00:04:22.540 --> 00:04:26.040 you having lived in Florence, be really familiar 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:28.040 with the area, but for anybody listening that's 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:33.399 not, the city, you know, it's a little famous. 00:04:34.220 --> 00:04:37.040 You know, it's had a rich history for recordings 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:41.040 that have been made there. And that being said, 00:04:41.339 --> 00:04:45.230 it's a big selling point. Over the past few years, 00:04:45.370 --> 00:04:47.790 we've still had people like Steven Tyler coming 00:04:47.790 --> 00:04:52.050 in. We've had a number of celebrities that still 00:04:52.050 --> 00:04:55.110 come to the Shoals and Report. But one of the 00:04:55.110 --> 00:04:58.689 primary reasons for that is that it's a small 00:04:58.689 --> 00:05:05.509 town and there's not a whole terrible lot to 00:05:05.509 --> 00:05:08.689 do there. Muscle Shoals, it's only 100 years 00:05:08.689 --> 00:05:11.209 old. We recently celebrated the centennial of 00:05:11.209 --> 00:05:14.399 town. So it doesn't even have a downtown area, 00:05:14.420 --> 00:05:20.560 right? A lot of towns that formed after automobiles 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:24.439 started to become at least more common or really 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.060 any kind of transportation started to become 00:05:27.060 --> 00:05:30.339 more common. A lot of those towns don't have 00:05:30.339 --> 00:05:33.519 downtown centers because there was not that pressure 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.879 to have this one central spot. So Muscle Shoals 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:39.980 is strange. And then like you're saying Sheffield, 00:05:40.250 --> 00:05:43.569 You know, it does have a small downtown, but 00:05:43.569 --> 00:05:46.189 there's not really a whole lot going on there 00:05:46.189 --> 00:05:49.910 a lot of times. The same thing with Tuscambia. 00:05:50.850 --> 00:05:52.949 So yeah, it takes all three of them combined 00:05:52.949 --> 00:06:00.850 to make really one functional area. It's really 00:06:00.850 --> 00:06:04.490 strange. Dan, I think people, of course, if you 00:06:04.490 --> 00:06:06.529 listen to rock and roll and you like classic 00:06:06.529 --> 00:06:09.420 rock, Wherever you live around the country, around 00:06:09.420 --> 00:06:11.040 the world, maybe people are familiar with that 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:14.240 line. Muscle Shoals has got the Swampers. Oh, 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:20.360 absolutely. Sweet home Alabama. Oh yeah, man. 00:06:21.660 --> 00:06:24.600 And part of the reason for that line is that 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:29.560 Skinner famously recorded quite a bit in Muscle 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:31.699 Shoals, especially towards the beginning of their 00:06:31.699 --> 00:06:35.500 career. Their album, and somebody would probably 00:06:35.500 --> 00:06:38.490 need to fact check me on this, but I do a bit 00:06:38.490 --> 00:06:42.730 of work for the local music museum, so that's 00:06:42.730 --> 00:06:45.389 more of a passion thing. But I tend to know a 00:06:45.389 --> 00:06:49.589 little bit about the stuff. Skinnerd, their album, 00:06:49.810 --> 00:06:52.410 Skinnerd's First and Last, that was released 00:06:52.410 --> 00:06:57.089 after the plane crash, it largely was going to 00:06:57.089 --> 00:07:01.750 be their first major release. However, for reasons 00:07:01.750 --> 00:07:05.079 I'm actually not sure of at this moment. It ended 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:08.740 up, those tapes ended up getting shelved, but 00:07:08.740 --> 00:07:11.319 posthumously that record was released and it 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:13.879 was because, yeah, Skinnerd had recorded an entire 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:18.779 album of material in Muscle Shoals and at once, 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:20.699 yeah, it's out there now as Skinnerd's first 00:07:20.699 --> 00:07:23.759 and last. So yeah, it's just this little corner 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.120 of the world. It's really, really rich in musical 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.920 history. So much, you know, Aretha Franklin recorded 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:34.629 here, Great Sid, Etta James. Of course, the sound 00:07:34.629 --> 00:07:41.970 song Wild Horses was written there. To be such 00:07:41.970 --> 00:07:45.089 a small area and that's such a small population, 00:07:46.230 --> 00:07:51.149 it's really kind of astounding how much has come 00:07:51.149 --> 00:07:55.069 from the area over the years. And like you said, 00:07:55.209 --> 00:07:57.610 some of those big name artists, Steven Tyler, 00:07:58.110 --> 00:08:01.939 Mick Jagger, Aretha Franklin, probably When they're 00:08:01.939 --> 00:08:04.459 in the heat or the peak of their careers, it's 00:08:04.459 --> 00:08:07.899 nice to just get out of that limelight the the 00:08:07.899 --> 00:08:10.439 crowds and the adulation and you can't walk into 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:13.000 a convenience store or grocery store just to 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.040 go to a small town and not have so many distractions 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:21.060 and That was you know from what people have said 00:08:21.060 --> 00:08:22.759 over the years from what I've been told over 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:25.800 the years because you know a lot of the swampers 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:30.379 they I was very lucky and you know, mostly about 00:08:30.379 --> 00:08:33.179 the time I started working in music in the area, 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.399 mostly they were still alive and I was very fortunate 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.159 to get to talk and work and learn from, you know, 00:08:41.220 --> 00:08:44.879 many of them. And that was the thing that they 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.659 very often did come back to was that one of the 00:08:48.659 --> 00:08:51.820 things that really made the area special was, 00:08:51.820 --> 00:08:57.279 yeah, these massive artists that were were nationally 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:00.399 and internationally famous, they could come here 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:03.039 and they could work. Like you said, they could 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:04.740 bob down at the corner store and not get hassled. 00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:07.379 They could go out and eat and there's a good 00:09:07.379 --> 00:09:09.960 chance nobody would even recognize them, things 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:15.000 like that. All that to come together and say 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:19.360 it's strange that the area has had such a rich 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:22.980 musical history, whenever you consider that it's 00:09:22.980 --> 00:09:26.549 a tiny town. Off the top of my head. I want to 00:09:26.549 --> 00:09:30.049 say there might be It might be 80 or 90 thousand 00:09:30.049 --> 00:09:33.210 people in the metro area for that city. It's 00:09:33.210 --> 00:09:37.750 not large by any means but yeah, it's fantastic 00:09:37.750 --> 00:09:41.649 Especially if you you know like to work in music 00:09:41.649 --> 00:09:47.029 Well, I want to call out some acclaim or whatever 00:09:47.029 --> 00:09:49.789 you would how you would describe it here Grant 00:09:49.789 --> 00:09:54.149 Walden a the producer engineer in produced the 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:57.720 latest singles from Ghost River Revival, Medicine 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:01.539 Woman, and Secrets. Dan, he said about you that 00:10:01.539 --> 00:10:04.259 Dan Williams is one of the best bassists in the 00:10:04.259 --> 00:10:08.399 biz. He's basically a unicorn, which to me, that's 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.159 one of the best compliments you could get. Well, 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:16.139 Grant is very kind. He's one of my favorite people. 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.220 We've actually, he and I have known each other 00:10:19.220 --> 00:10:22.169 since we were in middle school and it's... you 00:10:22.169 --> 00:10:25.029 know, neither of us are natively from the Shoals 00:10:25.029 --> 00:10:28.330 area. We're actually from, you know, about 40 00:10:28.330 --> 00:10:31.649 miles out of the area, extraordinarily rural 00:10:31.649 --> 00:10:34.029 area, the town we came from, you know, not even 00:10:34.029 --> 00:10:38.830 incorporated, that sort of thing. So it was really 00:10:38.830 --> 00:10:40.850 strange that we both ended up in music and both 00:10:40.850 --> 00:10:44.110 ended up in Muscle Shoals. So I've had a long 00:10:44.110 --> 00:10:48.509 time to know and love for him, and he is a very 00:10:48.509 --> 00:11:06.330 kind person with that compliment. I will that 00:11:06.330 --> 00:11:23.210 that that Well, Dan, I'm really impressed with 00:11:23.210 --> 00:11:27.570 the the music. I mean, two singles with two different 00:11:27.570 --> 00:11:30.730 songwriters released in with about a week of 00:11:30.730 --> 00:11:35.990 each other. March 28th, the latest single from 00:11:35.990 --> 00:11:38.970 Lindy Urban, April Rain released and then about 00:11:38.970 --> 00:11:42.490 a week prior, Medicine Woman from Ghost River 00:11:42.490 --> 00:11:46.370 Revival. I got to say, Dan, I love both of these 00:11:46.370 --> 00:11:50.559 songs, but man when April rain kicks in and if 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.100 you appreciate music and you especially like 00:11:53.100 --> 00:11:56.200 the rhythm section I was driving around I thought 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:59.500 okay it is it is time for the bottom end here 00:11:59.500 --> 00:12:03.419 we go it's just a I love your bass sound on April 00:12:03.419 --> 00:12:06.919 rain and how you just you guys just kind of sit 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:09.679 in that groove and I think there's a in that 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.899 song where you know maybe another songwriter 00:12:13.899 --> 00:12:16.850 might be Three and a half minutes 345. Let's 00:12:16.850 --> 00:12:19.370 wrap this thing up It sounds like the song is 00:12:19.370 --> 00:12:22.669 kind of drawing to a close and then wait a second 00:12:22.669 --> 00:12:25.350 We're gonna ride this out a little longer that 00:12:25.350 --> 00:12:29.590 I love that Dan It was a joy. It was a joy to 00:12:29.590 --> 00:12:33.809 work on that Wendy is phenomenally talented. 00:12:34.450 --> 00:12:39.370 She's and so she's only 17 It's absurd that she's 00:12:39.370 --> 00:12:43.340 talented as she is especially at that age And, 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:45.440 you know, one of the other reasons that that 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.759 session was a joy, the people involved in working 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.940 on that, you know, we use a couple of different 00:12:52.940 --> 00:12:55.779 drummers, but both of them were extremely accomplished 00:12:55.779 --> 00:12:59.519 people. You know, they both worked at several 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:02.159 studios in the area throughout the years. One 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.240 of the key players, one of the guys that they're 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:07.759 playing piano, the man by the name of Mark Normar, 00:13:07.980 --> 00:13:12.129 who, if you listen to country music, Any time, 00:13:12.129 --> 00:13:16.610 you know, between the late 80s and the mid 2000s, 00:13:16.669 --> 00:13:20.090 you heard some of his songs. He had multiple 00:13:20.090 --> 00:13:23.570 number one hits that he wrote. So he's fantastically 00:13:23.570 --> 00:13:26.350 talented. The other guy, the guy that was on 00:13:26.350 --> 00:13:29.470 organ is a fellow by the name of Spooner Oldham, 00:13:29.730 --> 00:13:34.110 who is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So, 00:13:34.470 --> 00:13:37.590 you know, I'll be honest with you, I was terrified 00:13:37.590 --> 00:13:39.970 for most of those sessions, even though I played 00:13:39.970 --> 00:13:42.929 with you know these people before uh and i've 00:13:42.929 --> 00:13:45.090 recorded with these people before but it's always 00:13:45.090 --> 00:13:50.509 you can only um you can only walk into a studio 00:13:50.509 --> 00:13:53.990 and and be ready to get to work and have you 00:13:53.990 --> 00:13:56.990 know a couple of the the older guys in there 00:13:56.990 --> 00:14:01.549 talking about how they worked with i think the 00:14:01.549 --> 00:14:04.730 last time i walked in into a moment like that 00:14:04.730 --> 00:14:07.950 spooner was talking about a party he had gone 00:14:07.950 --> 00:14:11.610 to at Liberace's house way back in the day. And 00:14:11.610 --> 00:14:13.429 then, you know, there was another event we were 00:14:13.429 --> 00:14:15.889 going to do this dinner and he unfortunately 00:14:15.889 --> 00:14:20.409 was unable to do that because he's been playing 00:14:20.409 --> 00:14:23.049 with Neil Young for years and years and years 00:14:23.049 --> 00:14:25.889 and years. And he got the phone call to come 00:14:25.889 --> 00:14:29.129 up and play some shows with him. So I'm sorry, 00:14:29.190 --> 00:14:31.919 I got to go on a plane and go do this. I was 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.639 thinking, yeah, nobody here pulls rank on that 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:41.759 guy. It's easy to sound. It's easy to be in the 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:45.899 groove and to sound good whenever you're fortunate 00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:48.639 enough to be playing with people like that, people 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.179 that are working at that caliber. But I appreciate 00:14:52.179 --> 00:14:54.960 the compliments. I was very thrilled with how 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.019 that turned out. Oh, it just gels beautifully. 00:14:59.340 --> 00:15:02.639 Lindy's vocals she goes low, but she seems to 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:06.580 finish high some of these outros on her Those 00:15:06.580 --> 00:15:09.919 three singles April rain darkness follows and 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:11.820 ain't bound now. I think she usually has kind 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:16.539 of a high outro, but she has a surprise She said 00:15:16.539 --> 00:15:20.700 that she's 17. She's got a very seasoned voice 00:15:20.700 --> 00:15:22.700 and style. It seems like she's been doing this 00:15:22.700 --> 00:15:26.620 for a while You would think so but It's one of 00:15:26.620 --> 00:15:31.279 those situations. She has been playing music 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:33.580 since she was 12, but she's only started performing 00:15:33.580 --> 00:15:37.100 in the past year and a half or so. She's really, 00:15:37.100 --> 00:15:40.759 really just getting started. I don't use the 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:44.139 term lightly, but I think prodigy might be applicable 00:15:44.139 --> 00:15:49.940 here because it's amazing watching her learn 00:15:49.940 --> 00:15:54.759 and grow because there's things that I've seen. 00:15:54.940 --> 00:15:58.840 more seasoned players take some time to learn 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:03.360 how to do. I've witnessed her watch one of these 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.299 guys do it once or twice and then just go do 00:16:07.299 --> 00:16:10.419 it. It's just like something in her head. It's 00:16:10.419 --> 00:16:13.240 like, oh yeah, obviously this is exactly how 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.700 you do this thing that has taken some people 00:16:16.700 --> 00:16:20.299 years to master. She just learns so quickly. 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:24.970 It's fantastic. Truly think she's got a wonderful 00:16:24.970 --> 00:16:28.990 wonderful career in front of her. I When I was 00:16:28.990 --> 00:16:32.230 listening to darkness follows released at the 00:16:32.230 --> 00:16:36.409 end of February It's a pretty heavy song too. 00:16:36.409 --> 00:16:40.610 And it reminded me that I had I Had a letter. 00:16:40.610 --> 00:16:44.049 It was like several pages long from a long time 00:16:44.049 --> 00:16:47.210 ago, maybe 15 or 20 years ago that I wrote to 00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:51.909 a You know a former love interest and and I never 00:16:51.909 --> 00:16:55.110 mailed it I never hand delivered it. I kept it 00:16:55.110 --> 00:16:57.490 and I, and it's in my storage unit, but she's 00:16:57.490 --> 00:17:00.389 laying it all out there. And this is so relatable. 00:17:00.649 --> 00:17:04.809 Kind of sounds like, Hey, listen, you still have 00:17:04.809 --> 00:17:07.289 a place in my heart. I'm still there for you. 00:17:07.730 --> 00:17:11.789 I just, it kind of sounds like a, some negative 00:17:11.789 --> 00:17:15.170 energy that she's just chosen. I can't be around 00:17:15.170 --> 00:17:19.190 this. I wanted more, but, um, it's not, this 00:17:19.190 --> 00:17:22.789 is not helping me to be with you. So I just love 00:17:22.789 --> 00:17:25.630 the song I love her courage in the her songwriting 00:17:25.630 --> 00:17:29.029 here Well, you know, I think she'd be very thrilled 00:17:29.029 --> 00:17:32.490 to hear that I'm pretty sure it's negative energy. 00:17:32.549 --> 00:17:35.210 It might have been exactly some of the phrase 00:17:35.210 --> 00:17:39.490 she used When she was talking to me about about 00:17:39.490 --> 00:17:42.309 how the song was was written and being developed 00:17:42.309 --> 00:17:44.690 and coming along and You know telling me the 00:17:44.690 --> 00:17:47.930 story behind it. I think yeah, I think she'd 00:17:47.930 --> 00:17:50.630 be thrilled to hear that you find it to be so 00:17:50.630 --> 00:17:53.569 relatable. That's not always the case you know 00:17:53.569 --> 00:17:55.769 sometimes you you create something and you put 00:17:55.769 --> 00:17:58.910 it out in the world and whatever whatever people 00:17:58.910 --> 00:18:01.750 take and do but that's you know that's how they 00:18:01.750 --> 00:18:03.809 understand it that's how they they understand 00:18:03.809 --> 00:18:06.769 the art and there's certainly nothing wrong with 00:18:06.769 --> 00:18:09.730 that it it's nice to make something that that 00:18:09.730 --> 00:18:13.750 a person finds meaningful uh no matter exactly 00:18:13.750 --> 00:18:17.690 how they interpret it but I saw the stories she's 00:18:17.690 --> 00:18:21.220 told me and what she's said, it feels like you 00:18:21.220 --> 00:18:24.559 honed right into the heart of it. I'll pass it 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:26.640 along. I think she'll be thrilled to hear that. 00:18:28.059 --> 00:18:33.339 It is a very relatable song, which, you know, 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:35.559 it's tragic in itself that it's so relatable 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:40.000 to so many people, but it absolutely is. And 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:43.339 that song surprised all of us as well, because, 00:18:43.539 --> 00:18:45.559 you know, I know you've interviewed a lot of 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:49.420 people that work in music. you never know what 00:18:49.420 --> 00:18:52.240 to expect when a song releases or anything like 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.519 that. Especially if this is a small project, 00:18:55.700 --> 00:18:59.859 you know, she's young and we're, you know, some 00:18:59.859 --> 00:19:01.660 of us that have been around a little bit longer 00:19:01.660 --> 00:19:04.940 trying to help her out in a number of ways, but 00:19:04.940 --> 00:19:07.660 even then you can't, unless you're one of the 00:19:07.660 --> 00:19:10.359 major players, you can't really control how something 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:13.759 like this is going to go. And that song released 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:16.710 and a couple of mornings later, I got this real 00:19:16.710 --> 00:19:19.710 excited text message from her. It was a screenshot 00:19:19.710 --> 00:19:21.809 of a playlist that had been added to on Spotify 00:19:21.809 --> 00:19:26.549 and I thought, yeah right, there's no way. But 00:19:26.549 --> 00:19:29.910 I went and I looked and yeah, the official account 00:19:29.910 --> 00:19:33.430 of Joe Bonham Awesome had added that song to 00:19:33.430 --> 00:19:37.009 one of his playlists that's publicly facing on 00:19:37.009 --> 00:19:42.809 his Spotify page. And I've been feeling pretty 00:19:42.809 --> 00:19:44.490 good about that for about a month now, I'm not 00:19:44.490 --> 00:19:49.720 gonna lie. But yeah, there's no predicting what's 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:51.779 gonna happen. All you can do is do your best 00:19:51.779 --> 00:19:55.519 to make something that people will enjoy and 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.400 hope that people find it and resonate. I'm thrilled 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:01.880 to hear that you're enjoying the music. That's 00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:03.759 the highest compliment that you can pay anybody, 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:09.019 I think, that the creative is that, hey, I found 00:20:09.019 --> 00:20:13.660 this thing and I really appreciate it. Yes, and 00:20:13.660 --> 00:20:15.900 I do like on occasion You know, it doesn't have 00:20:15.900 --> 00:20:18.579 to be every song, but I like when a song like 00:20:18.579 --> 00:20:21.539 this, it doesn't clock in and clock out at, you 00:20:21.539 --> 00:20:23.859 know, three minutes and 12 seconds. This one 00:20:23.859 --> 00:20:27.180 goes on. You can let it kind of wash over you. 00:20:27.660 --> 00:20:29.920 You just kind of get lost in the song. And I 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.019 wanted to ask, when she comes into the studio, 00:20:34.140 --> 00:20:35.980 have you guys already seen the lyrics and you're 00:20:35.980 --> 00:20:37.500 maybe guiding her and saying, well, why don't 00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:42.400 we try this? And you come up with a certain sequence 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:45.230 or a rhythm section. How does it go with a song 00:20:45.230 --> 00:20:48.490 like this? Do you give her some recommendations, 00:20:48.609 --> 00:20:51.109 or does she say, this is what I would like for 00:20:51.109 --> 00:20:54.089 it to sound like? It's a little a column A, a 00:20:54.089 --> 00:20:57.990 little a column B. So what happens like this, 00:20:58.390 --> 00:21:00.309 and it's a little bit of a different situation, 00:21:00.450 --> 00:21:03.849 because after the first EDO session, I've been 00:21:03.849 --> 00:21:06.690 playing with Lindy a bit more. We musically, 00:21:06.690 --> 00:21:10.650 we clicked pretty well. For all the jokes about 00:21:10.650 --> 00:21:13.230 bass players, it's hard to find a bass player 00:21:13.230 --> 00:21:16.569 that is, I don't want to say reliable, that's 00:21:16.569 --> 00:21:18.390 not the right word, but it's hard to find one 00:21:18.390 --> 00:21:21.809 that grooves the way you want them to. So I've 00:21:21.809 --> 00:21:25.029 been very fortunate that I've picked up that 00:21:25.029 --> 00:21:29.289 opportunity from that. But the way a recording 00:21:29.289 --> 00:21:32.769 session like that often works is the songwriter, 00:21:32.869 --> 00:21:36.950 in this case, Lindy, will have... made a recording 00:21:36.950 --> 00:21:40.130 of the song on, very often on her phone. I think 00:21:40.130 --> 00:21:45.069 hers was on her phone. So, you know, we cut five 00:21:45.069 --> 00:21:49.569 songs that weekend and she had recorded those 00:21:49.569 --> 00:21:53.730 five and she sent those files to one of the guys 00:21:53.730 --> 00:21:58.009 on the session, Mark, and he wrote out a chart. 00:21:58.089 --> 00:22:00.990 He uses a file that's called the National Number 00:22:00.990 --> 00:22:05.380 System and if you took any music in high school 00:22:05.380 --> 00:22:09.000 at all then it probably looks real familiar to 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:11.039 you because it's really based around scale degrees 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:16.700 but it's a way to to communicate how a song is 00:22:16.700 --> 00:22:19.799 constructed and the chord movements and things 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:23.140 like that without necessarily having people that 00:22:23.140 --> 00:22:25.500 know how to read music because you know a lot 00:22:25.500 --> 00:22:31.319 of pop musicians don't don't read so yeah what'll 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.559 happen is somebody will Very often it's, here's 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:36.660 the song, it's been recorded, send the work tape 00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:39.400 to somebody in the session. They'll make charts 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:42.339 for everybody. And, you know, what we did is 00:22:42.339 --> 00:22:45.299 we just, we went in the studio, we listened to 00:22:45.299 --> 00:22:48.480 those demo tapes a couple of times, made notes, 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:51.160 asked questions. I'll think to about 10 minutes. 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:54.819 And then you just go out on the floor and you 00:22:54.819 --> 00:22:59.500 do it. You know, one of those songs, I think 00:22:59.500 --> 00:23:03.849 it might have been April Rain. I want to say 00:23:03.849 --> 00:23:05.670 that took us about two and a half hours to get 00:23:05.670 --> 00:23:08.670 a take we were happy with. But the flip side 00:23:08.670 --> 00:23:13.190 to that is that the first song that it released, 00:23:13.369 --> 00:23:17.130 Ain't Bound Now, I think we had a keep or take 00:23:17.130 --> 00:23:20.829 of that within 30 minutes. And yeah, it's just 00:23:20.829 --> 00:23:23.009 you learn to read chart and you kind of have 00:23:23.009 --> 00:23:24.930 an idea if you've been doing this long enough, 00:23:25.450 --> 00:23:29.190 you have an idea of what your instrument's role 00:23:29.190 --> 00:23:33.230 in a song is. And yeah, you you ask the artist 00:23:33.230 --> 00:23:36.809 what they want, and sometimes they have real 00:23:36.809 --> 00:23:43.029 specific requests. There was a bass run in one 00:23:43.029 --> 00:23:45.690 of these songs, and we recorded these back in 00:23:45.690 --> 00:23:48.509 August, so my memory's a little foggy at this 00:23:48.509 --> 00:23:51.170 point. There was one of those songs where Lindy 00:23:51.170 --> 00:23:53.849 did have a specific request, but the rest of 00:23:53.849 --> 00:23:57.569 the time it was we do a thing, hey, do you like 00:23:57.569 --> 00:24:01.599 this, yes or no, and if it's no we go back to 00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:03.799 the trial and board and if it's yes we keep it 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:07.700 and yeah that's it's a little bit different everywhere 00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:13.200 you know um there's some much busier music towns 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:18.279 where it's you go in and you know if if it's 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:20.839 taking you more than 30 minutes to cut a song 00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:26.420 uh you may not be getting paid um but it's for 00:24:26.420 --> 00:24:30.700 the most part no it's it's just you hear the 00:24:30.700 --> 00:24:32.599 song that the artist sends the demo they send 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:35.740 and you listen and you cut it but it is very 00:24:35.740 --> 00:24:39.880 different from a situation like well with like 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.720 the other act you mentioned Ghost River Revival 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.160 that is a band that is pretty well rehearsed 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.960 and it's a collaborative effort as opposed to 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.819 you know one or two people that are creating 00:24:51.819 --> 00:24:53.660 the things and then everybody's showing up at 00:24:53.660 --> 00:24:56.539 the studio to learn it you know there and do 00:24:56.539 --> 00:24:59.250 it. That man had an opportunity a couple of weeks 00:24:59.250 --> 00:25:03.829 ago to go to a studio up in Nashville that their 00:25:03.829 --> 00:25:06.750 thing is recording to analog tape. The studio 00:25:06.750 --> 00:25:10.670 is called Welcome to 79, and they do things there 00:25:10.670 --> 00:25:15.450 like how the industry, how recording worked in 00:25:15.450 --> 00:25:18.410 the late 70s, early 80s, things like that, before 00:25:18.410 --> 00:25:20.930 things started to become digital, which means 00:25:20.930 --> 00:25:23.450 that there's really no take backs, right? Punch 00:25:23.450 --> 00:25:26.509 -ins are much more rare. You know, if you make 00:25:26.509 --> 00:25:29.309 a mistake, you got to really sit there and think, 00:25:29.329 --> 00:25:33.470 okay, how significant was this mistake? Is it 00:25:33.470 --> 00:25:36.069 enough to make the whole band come in here and 00:25:36.069 --> 00:25:39.650 do this again? But the reason I bring that up 00:25:39.650 --> 00:25:41.809 is that process I just talked about with Wendy 00:25:41.809 --> 00:25:44.670 is very different because Ghost River, we went 00:25:44.670 --> 00:25:49.309 in and a song that I wouldn't necessarily say 00:25:49.309 --> 00:25:51.329 it's complicated, but it's got a lot of moving 00:25:51.329 --> 00:25:54.650 pieces. We got to keep her take for it the second 00:25:54.650 --> 00:25:58.539 time. The first time we ran it, said we like 00:25:58.539 --> 00:26:00.900 it, we probably got a better one in us, ran it 00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:04.140 again and said, okay, that's it, we'll go do 00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:08.319 some overdubs later, but that's the track. So 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:11.500 yeah, it depends on, are we talking about a situation 00:26:11.500 --> 00:26:14.559 where the artist is hiring musicians or are we 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:17.519 talking about a situation where it's a total 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:22.859 band unit? Again, Ghost River's made up of a 00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:24.859 lot of people that are studio musicians in the 00:26:24.859 --> 00:26:30.039 area. So it's, I don't want to say unfair to 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:35.420 say, yeah, that the second attempt was successful 00:26:35.420 --> 00:26:39.039 and that that's actually pretty common. We did 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:41.440 another song that weekend that was complicated 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:46.460 and we called it on the third try. it's just 00:26:46.460 --> 00:26:48.339 the difference between having people that are 00:26:48.339 --> 00:26:51.859 seasoned and rehearsed together and then having 00:26:51.859 --> 00:26:57.019 people that are coming in to hear a song for 00:26:57.019 --> 00:27:00.500 maybe the first or second time and creating their 00:27:00.500 --> 00:27:03.099 part on the spot based off charts and then recording 00:27:03.099 --> 00:27:05.940 that together. Naturally, that second one is 00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:09.220 probably going to take a little bit longer because 00:27:09.220 --> 00:27:11.440 you're coming up with everything there on the 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:16.160 spot. one not being better or worse. They're 00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:19.279 just different ways of doing things. And Dan, 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:23.000 some of these other musicians that you work with 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:26.420 or that appear on Lindy's songs like Tanisha 00:27:26.420 --> 00:27:29.880 Hodge, Banking Vocals, Michael Dillon, Drums, 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.099 are some of these players, people that you've 00:27:33.099 --> 00:27:35.960 worked with on other projects that you've known 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.480 for a long time? It's funny, the two people that 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:41.960 you mentioned, it was the first time I had ever 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.250 worked with either one of them. But they're old 00:27:45.250 --> 00:27:47.230 pros, man, and I don't mean older than their 00:27:47.230 --> 00:27:49.029 age. I mean, they've been doing it for a long 00:27:49.029 --> 00:27:53.569 time. And, you know, actually watching both of 00:27:53.569 --> 00:27:57.450 them work was, I felt like I learned a lot from 00:27:57.450 --> 00:27:59.970 the two of them because they just, you know, 00:27:59.970 --> 00:28:02.470 they came in and they just did what they were 00:28:02.470 --> 00:28:05.710 supposed to do and nailed it, you know, right 00:28:05.710 --> 00:28:07.809 off the bat, right out of the gate on the first 00:28:07.809 --> 00:28:11.430 shot. It was simultaneously humbling and empowering. 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.259 you know, just to see, it's nice to see people 00:28:15.259 --> 00:28:18.819 that are really good at what they do, doing their 00:28:18.819 --> 00:28:21.720 thing. You know, there's something, yeah, there's 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:23.900 just something wonderful about being, whatever 00:28:23.900 --> 00:28:26.759 somebody's good at, watching them get up there 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.299 and do it, and I don't know, that feels like 00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:31.900 it, it feeds me.