WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.370 Hey, thanks for listening to the Dan Time Podcast. 00:00:07.070 --> 00:00:11.029 I'm Dan McArdle. Happy to bring you another episode 00:00:11.029 --> 00:00:14.650 with somebody who's making a big, big difference 00:00:14.650 --> 00:00:18.750 in the world. This show, as you know, maybe you 00:00:18.750 --> 00:00:22.109 don't know, is often centered around me talking 00:00:22.109 --> 00:00:27.329 with fellow Dans, having what I call Danversations. 00:00:28.269 --> 00:00:32.549 And that will always be a part of the show. But 00:00:32.549 --> 00:00:34.409 as you've seen, there are times when I branch 00:00:34.409 --> 00:00:39.109 out, I bring in somebody from my network or other 00:00:39.109 --> 00:00:43.210 guests not named Dan that are perhaps tied to 00:00:43.210 --> 00:00:47.549 my past, tied to my interests and so forth. And 00:00:47.549 --> 00:00:50.750 so I want to reinforce that this podcast, Dan 00:00:50.750 --> 00:00:55.509 Time, is not directly about me. There'd never 00:00:55.509 --> 00:01:01.200 be an episode where I spend a five. eight, ten 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:05.719 minute monologue talking about my week and all 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:09.079 the irritating or humorous things that happened. 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.980 That's just not going to happen here. It's all 00:01:12.980 --> 00:01:15.900 about shining the light on the particular guest. 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:20.260 And today, this is a big deal. Just over a year 00:01:20.260 --> 00:01:25.000 since our last conversation, I had a chance to 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:29.000 reconnect with Sean Perry, lead singer and rhythm 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.650 guitarist, for the world's only note -for -note 00:01:32.650 --> 00:01:38.329 album quality tribute to Metallica. We met about 00:01:38.329 --> 00:01:40.489 an hour and a half before they took the stage 00:01:40.489 --> 00:01:44.709 at Vinyl Music Hall in Pensacola, Florida, Saturday, 00:01:44.810 --> 00:01:48.170 March 16th. And just like our first meeting, 00:01:48.290 --> 00:01:53.750 February 2024, episode number 24, Sean was a 00:01:53.750 --> 00:01:58.560 complete gentleman, incredibly forthcoming. and 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.780 willing to open up about why he does what he 00:02:01.780 --> 00:02:05.980 does, what drives him to cover all these highway 00:02:05.980 --> 00:02:10.500 miles across nearly two decades, performing some 00:02:10.500 --> 00:02:13.639 of the most intricate songs from Metallica's 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.620 back catalog that other bands either won't even 00:02:16.620 --> 00:02:20.360 touch or, quite frankly, can't honor the original 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.419 versions as accurately as the Four Horsemen. 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:27.199 In this conversation, Sean opens up. About the 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:30.199 past 12 months or so, and the challenges he's 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.719 been through, the grief that he's been through, 00:02:32.860 --> 00:02:36.439 and the people he has impacted. And I was fortunate 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:41.099 enough to see once again, firsthand, the magic 00:02:41.099 --> 00:02:45.500 that happens when Sean, Luke, Alec, and Drew 00:02:45.500 --> 00:02:50.020 take the stage. How they delight and ignite these 00:02:50.020 --> 00:02:55.389 audiences. I saw fans, young and old, and everybody 00:02:55.389 --> 00:02:59.349 in between jumping up and down, banging their 00:02:59.349 --> 00:03:02.590 heads, pumping their fists, singing the songs. 00:03:02.969 --> 00:03:06.370 My brother Rob traveled down with his wife Nancy 00:03:06.370 --> 00:03:09.530 from Birmingham to spend a weekend out at Pensacola 00:03:09.530 --> 00:03:12.590 Beach and come to the Four Horsemen concert. 00:03:13.310 --> 00:03:18.370 And we had the best time, as always. And you're 00:03:18.370 --> 00:03:21.050 going to find out in this conversation why the 00:03:21.050 --> 00:03:25.300 Four Horsemen have sold out multiple venues on 00:03:25.300 --> 00:03:28.159 this most recent tour, heading into about a two 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.560 -week break. It's much more to Sean Perry than 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.900 just faithfully performing the Metallica classics. 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:41.699 It's about spreading joy. And on that note, let's 00:03:41.699 --> 00:03:44.460 get to the conversation now. You can find links 00:03:44.460 --> 00:03:47.560 to the Four Horsemen website in the show notes, 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:55.909 www .fourhorses .com. Follow this show at DanTimePod 00:03:55.909 --> 00:04:00.889 on the socials. DanTimePod at gmail .com. All 00:04:00.889 --> 00:04:02.689 right, let's get to it now. What a pleasure. 00:04:02.710 --> 00:04:10.330 What a great guy. It's Sean Perry time. Okay, 00:04:10.509 --> 00:04:12.870 sitting here once again. Can't believe a year 00:04:12.870 --> 00:04:18.009 has passed. February 2024. Sean Perry, lead singer 00:04:18.009 --> 00:04:22.139 for the Four Horsemen. The only note -for -note 00:04:22.139 --> 00:04:25.720 album -quality tribute to Metallica. And it's 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:27.839 a real pleasure getting to do this again, Sean. 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:32.670 How's it going tonight? It's going well. We're 00:04:32.670 --> 00:04:35.610 a little road wary, but we're ready for tonight's 00:04:35.610 --> 00:04:37.790 show. I think it's going to be a good one despite 00:04:37.790 --> 00:04:40.970 the concerns of the weather. I guess the Floridians 00:04:40.970 --> 00:04:42.490 down here are used to this. They're not really 00:04:42.490 --> 00:04:46.209 all that scared. No tornado warnings or hurricanes 00:04:46.209 --> 00:04:48.829 or anything on the rise. It's just some thunderstorms, 00:04:48.829 --> 00:04:51.329 so I think we're going to have a good show. Yeah, 00:04:51.350 --> 00:04:53.670 I was just thinking, standing outside, it's a 00:04:53.670 --> 00:05:01.460 good night to send Marty back to 1985. Yeah, 00:05:01.460 --> 00:05:05.279 like I said, we've been out. We've been doing 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:09.939 more runs now, and it's growing. It's all growing. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.300 We've got a new front of house guy. We've got 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:15.060 thousands and thousands of dollars in new gear 00:05:15.060 --> 00:05:18.519 that's running for production, and now it's nice 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:22.620 to see some of the goals I had over the last 00:05:22.620 --> 00:05:26.279 year come to fruition. So we're moving in the 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:29.759 right direction. Well, your post on social media, 00:05:29.899 --> 00:05:32.420 there's, I mean, just the excitement that people 00:05:32.420 --> 00:05:36.620 share online. And then here we are. It's, you 00:05:36.620 --> 00:05:39.279 know, right before 7 p .m. local time. But I 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:41.699 saw the Metallica shirts out here on Palafox 00:05:41.699 --> 00:05:45.699 Street at 530. People are ready. They're excited. 00:05:46.379 --> 00:05:48.740 Do you see that when you get rolling to towns 00:05:48.740 --> 00:05:51.160 and you go grab something to eat that afternoon 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.180 and you see people that are probably going to 00:05:54.180 --> 00:05:58.370 the gig later? Yeah, actually, we see it a lot 00:05:58.370 --> 00:06:00.889 because a lot of times we're out there looking 00:06:00.889 --> 00:06:03.350 for food as well. And today was no different. 00:06:03.410 --> 00:06:08.029 We walked down to a Mediterranean place. And 00:06:08.029 --> 00:06:10.149 as we're coming back, we went to the chocolatier 00:06:10.149 --> 00:06:13.370 place down the street, which I'm a huge chocolate 00:06:13.370 --> 00:06:17.089 guy. I love like really good chocolate. So I 00:06:17.089 --> 00:06:19.670 was talking to that guy while I was there. Metallica 00:06:19.670 --> 00:06:22.430 shirts poured in and some guy came up and said, 00:06:22.470 --> 00:06:24.170 hey, you know, can I get a picture with you? 00:06:24.209 --> 00:06:28.329 And I'm like. Who am I? But it's funny. We see 00:06:28.329 --> 00:06:30.790 that a lot, but sometimes they don't even recognize 00:06:30.790 --> 00:06:32.750 us, and we'll just be standing in line with them, 00:06:32.790 --> 00:06:34.529 and there's like four or five guys with Metallica 00:06:34.529 --> 00:06:36.810 or Megadeth shirts on, and we're always like, 00:06:36.889 --> 00:06:38.730 they're probably coming to the concert tonight. 00:06:39.250 --> 00:06:40.910 And then usually we do see them later, like, 00:06:40.970 --> 00:06:42.949 hey, we saw you at the restaurant earlier, and 00:06:42.949 --> 00:06:44.990 I was like, oh, yeah, that's right. I don't want 00:06:44.990 --> 00:06:47.449 to interrupt their day or anything, but some 00:06:47.449 --> 00:06:50.069 people recognize us, and it's always fun. They're 00:06:50.069 --> 00:06:52.930 always pleasant, too, so it's fun to just say 00:06:52.930 --> 00:06:56.230 hello before the show. Well, this is, I think, 00:06:56.250 --> 00:06:58.290 my third time seeing you guys, and you've got 00:06:58.290 --> 00:07:02.769 to be hearing those remarks from fans that they're 00:07:02.769 --> 00:07:05.529 saying, hey, this is my fifth time or my fourth 00:07:05.529 --> 00:07:08.910 time. Anytime they see the Four Horsemen coming 00:07:08.910 --> 00:07:12.850 to town, they're not missing that date. Yeah, 00:07:12.970 --> 00:07:16.480 we honestly, I've got people that. will email 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:18.500 me and tell me how many times they've seen it 00:07:18.500 --> 00:07:21.100 and they're coming to the next one. Some lady 00:07:21.100 --> 00:07:23.740 told me her eighth time seeing us last week even. 00:07:23.779 --> 00:07:26.759 I'm like, you must travel because, you know, 00:07:26.779 --> 00:07:29.560 the route we've gone, we did Mercury Ballroom 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.800 in Kentucky on Friday. We did Bristol, Tennessee 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:37.120 on Saturday. We did Pelham, Tennessee, the caverns 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.600 on Sunday, which was a really cool place when 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.040 we ended up with like almost 500 people showed 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.060 up to that, which was good for us because we've 00:07:44.060 --> 00:07:47.610 never been there. And then not yesterday, but 00:07:47.610 --> 00:07:51.569 the day before Thursday, we played in, what was 00:07:51.569 --> 00:07:53.649 that place called? Southport Hall in Jefferson, 00:07:53.970 --> 00:07:57.829 Louisiana. And that's five miles away from New 00:07:57.829 --> 00:08:01.990 Orleans. And now we're here. So, yeah, it's kind 00:08:01.990 --> 00:08:05.480 of cool. See people and they'll tell us after 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.680 the show, man, I just brought my kids this first 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:10.339 time. I'm like, oh, it was both you guys' first 00:08:10.339 --> 00:08:12.199 time. No, I've seen you guys five times. I just 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.360 wanted to make sure my kid's old enough now to 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:16.079 come out and see you. And I was like, yeah, that's 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:19.000 really cool, man. So, yeah, it's still got a 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:23.029 lot of camaraderie. We love engaging the fans 00:08:23.029 --> 00:08:26.529 during the show, after the show, at the merch 00:08:26.529 --> 00:08:29.589 booth. We always say hello and try to shake hands, 00:08:29.649 --> 00:08:31.850 take pictures, whatever they want to do. And 00:08:31.850 --> 00:08:35.549 I think that helps us connect with people better 00:08:35.549 --> 00:08:38.889 than just acting like rock stars and whisking 00:08:38.889 --> 00:08:41.190 off into the night afterwards to go to our hotel 00:08:41.190 --> 00:08:43.649 or go drinking or whatever. We don't really party 00:08:43.649 --> 00:08:47.470 or anything, but I feel like they deserve our 00:08:47.470 --> 00:08:49.879 time. We wouldn't be here if they're not buying 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:52.700 the tickets, so we should at least say hello 00:08:52.700 --> 00:08:55.080 after the show if they want to stick around to 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:59.399 do that. So it's more than just come here and 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:02.940 do a show and pack it. I like to give people 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:06.159 as much as we can give them. I remember I wrote 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:09.559 this down last time because, folks, if you haven't 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:12.120 heard the first episode, I can't believe this 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:15.399 is episode number 90 and Sean was on number 24. 00:09:16.379 --> 00:09:18.360 But he shared a story. I won't tell the whole 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:22.679 story, but there was a Metallica fan, Four Horsemen 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:27.000 band fan that had a son, or maybe she wasn't 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:29.559 a fan of the group, but she said, can you talk 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:33.340 to my son because he won't talk to me? And Sean, 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.700 you were telling me how you more or less counseled 00:09:35.700 --> 00:09:38.240 some kids that come to these shows, and they 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.299 get a lot out of this music. They don't have 00:09:41.299 --> 00:09:44.169 enough money to go see the... Go see Metallica 00:09:44.169 --> 00:09:48.250 on the M72 tour. I mean, who's got? Some people 00:09:48.250 --> 00:09:51.490 do. Lots of people do. Well, you know, a lot 00:09:51.490 --> 00:09:55.309 of people do. But, yeah, you know, again, with 00:09:55.309 --> 00:09:59.350 the whole access to the band, no disrespect to 00:09:59.350 --> 00:10:01.970 Metallica, but they're huge. James can't go out 00:10:01.970 --> 00:10:06.009 there and be accessible to 60 ,000 fans. It's 00:10:06.009 --> 00:10:07.909 just, it's impossible. He wouldn't be able to 00:10:07.909 --> 00:10:11.950 talk for days after that, you know. Me. There 00:10:11.950 --> 00:10:14.970 might be 600 fans at a venue or 1 ,000 fans at 00:10:14.970 --> 00:10:19.309 this venue, but 75 % of them are walking out 00:10:19.309 --> 00:10:23.169 the door, 80 % even, and we'll end up with, I 00:10:23.169 --> 00:10:25.710 don't know, maybe 100 people in line at some 00:10:25.710 --> 00:10:29.070 places, maybe 50 in line at another place. I 00:10:29.070 --> 00:10:33.129 think we were up in Illinois when that mother 00:10:33.129 --> 00:10:36.090 came up to me and she said, you know, my son 00:10:36.090 --> 00:10:42.159 loves Metallica, but he has withdrawn. socially 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:45.220 and you know he's got an attitude and he doesn't 00:10:45.220 --> 00:10:47.299 want to talk to me or his father but he loves 00:10:47.299 --> 00:10:49.039 this music so i thought maybe this would help 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.039 open him up if i brought him to the show would 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:53.840 you you know would you be able to talk to him 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:55.879 and i said absolutely bring him over you know 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:59.039 and i talked with him and i i was like okay this 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.379 kid's probably having a hard time with life in 00:11:01.379 --> 00:11:03.480 general and i had a very hard time when i was 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.779 a kid so i could relate to him and he like instantly 00:11:07.580 --> 00:11:09.759 like felt like he could trust me and opened up 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.779 and his mom was crying and hugging me and stuff 00:11:11.779 --> 00:11:14.220 and I'm like look you know I thought this was 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:16.259 just going to be a band I thought this was just 00:11:16.259 --> 00:11:19.899 going to be I love playing hard heavy fast aggressive 00:11:19.899 --> 00:11:21.940 riffs and stuff and I you know I was getting 00:11:21.940 --> 00:11:23.899 into the singing and stuff but as as the years 00:11:23.899 --> 00:11:26.840 have gone by and this is my more than 19 years 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:31.779 now I'll be in June will be 19 and a half years 00:11:31.779 --> 00:11:35.820 of doing just this band You see things turn into 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:37.419 other things that you never thought it would 00:11:37.419 --> 00:11:40.539 be. I never thought that I would sort of counsel 00:11:40.539 --> 00:11:44.320 a young teenager who his mother was like, I don't 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.899 know what to do. I'm literally, I have no answers 00:11:47.899 --> 00:11:51.039 for why my son is acting this way. And then I 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:53.740 get him to open up because I could relate. And 00:11:53.740 --> 00:11:57.059 it's like, okay, it's not just a band anymore. 00:11:57.139 --> 00:12:02.259 This is part of my purpose. And no egotistical. 00:12:02.889 --> 00:12:05.470 nothing behind that i just i realize that if 00:12:05.470 --> 00:12:08.970 i can help i should if i can say something and 00:12:08.970 --> 00:12:11.610 help someone's day brighten or if i can help 00:12:11.610 --> 00:12:15.250 someone open up or give them a hug you know i 00:12:15.250 --> 00:12:19.509 mean last year what was that february that we 00:12:19.509 --> 00:12:23.710 had this talk two months later my dad died i 00:12:23.710 --> 00:12:28.190 was 12 hours away loading into a sold -out show 00:12:28.190 --> 00:12:32.679 and I was with my drummer, Drew, and we were 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:34.659 having breakfast, and I was just getting ready 00:12:34.659 --> 00:12:36.539 to leave, and my brother called me and said, 00:12:36.620 --> 00:12:39.860 you know, Dad's gone. And this was unexpected. 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:44.519 No signs, no nothing. It was diabetes, and he 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:49.120 had a hard time regulating his sugar because 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:53.139 he didn't eat right. It's hard on everybody to 00:12:53.139 --> 00:12:56.179 just always be eating right. So it was a sudden, 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:59.490 unexpected death. And my father was the whole 00:12:59.490 --> 00:13:02.190 reason I got into music. So it tore my heart 00:13:02.190 --> 00:13:04.649 out, and I had to play a show that night. And 00:13:04.649 --> 00:13:06.190 my drummer was like, are we going to go home? 00:13:06.289 --> 00:13:10.750 Do you just want to cancel the show? And I had 00:13:10.750 --> 00:13:13.450 to sit there for a minute, and I'm like, my dad 00:13:13.450 --> 00:13:15.830 would have been so pissed if I would have canceled 00:13:15.830 --> 00:13:19.870 the show because these people... Let me back 00:13:19.870 --> 00:13:22.210 it up. Two years before this, he almost died. 00:13:22.789 --> 00:13:26.110 In 2022, my dad almost died. 800 blood sugar. 00:13:26.750 --> 00:13:30.389 He had pneumonia. He had two arteries 80 % blocked. 00:13:30.870 --> 00:13:34.389 And he was in Florida, and I was in Connecticut, 00:13:34.610 --> 00:13:38.169 which is ironic because here we are in Florida 00:13:38.169 --> 00:13:41.830 now. But I called him because my brother said, 00:13:41.970 --> 00:13:43.990 Dad's going into the operating room. I'm like, 00:13:44.029 --> 00:13:46.769 what the hell is going on? So I called him up, 00:13:46.850 --> 00:13:49.990 and I said, I'm going to have my wife drive the 00:13:49.990 --> 00:13:53.070 van and trailer home. I'm getting on a plane. 00:13:53.129 --> 00:13:54.950 And he said, don't you dare cancel that show 00:13:54.950 --> 00:13:57.190 on those people. They've been waiting for months, 00:13:57.309 --> 00:14:00.210 and some people really, really need that. You've 00:14:00.210 --> 00:14:01.629 got to give that to them. He goes, I'm going 00:14:01.629 --> 00:14:02.990 to make it. I'm going to be all right. I'm like, 00:14:03.009 --> 00:14:05.769 no, I'm getting on the plane. He goes, don't 00:14:05.769 --> 00:14:08.889 you dare cancel that show. And he made it, of 00:14:08.889 --> 00:14:11.470 course. We had another two years with him. So 00:14:11.470 --> 00:14:14.629 when I was sitting there at breakfast and Drew 00:14:14.629 --> 00:14:16.389 asked me, should we go home, I said, you know, 00:14:16.490 --> 00:14:21.970 I can't do anything for him. He's gone, and there's 00:14:21.970 --> 00:14:26.480 no way. knowing this, if he somehow knew this, 00:14:26.500 --> 00:14:28.679 there's no way he would tell me to go cancel 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.080 the show to be with your dead father. There's 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.539 nothing you can do for him. So I said, no. He 00:14:35.539 --> 00:14:38.779 loved this band. He cherished every time he could 00:14:38.779 --> 00:14:40.500 come out to a show, he cherished it, and he always 00:14:40.500 --> 00:14:43.500 paid. He never asked to get in for free. So I 00:14:43.500 --> 00:14:46.100 said, we got to go do this for these people. 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:49.240 And that was probably the hardest show I've ever 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:51.740 done. It was at Soundcheck Studios in Pembroke, 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:55.820 Massachusetts. About maybe four or five songs 00:14:55.820 --> 00:14:59.460 into the set, I told everybody in the crowd what 00:14:59.460 --> 00:15:02.240 had happened, you know, and I said, my dad loved 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:05.960 this band, and he knew that sometimes people's 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:08.240 only joy throughout the whole week, maybe even 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.600 the whole month, is to just, I bought these tickets, 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.000 I can't wait to go to whatever show it is, ACDC, 00:15:13.059 --> 00:15:15.159 Led Zeppelin, Metallica, whatever, maybe even 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:19.500 the Four Horsemen. But he understood that people 00:15:19.500 --> 00:15:22.149 really, really need... that joy in their lives. 00:15:22.230 --> 00:15:24.809 And for me to cancel that, that meant it was 00:15:24.809 --> 00:15:27.190 a sold -out show. That would have meant 600 people 00:15:27.190 --> 00:15:29.850 would have been disappointed and sad or angry 00:15:29.850 --> 00:15:32.110 or whatever. And I thought, I need to give this 00:15:32.110 --> 00:15:34.070 to them. So I told them about it during the middle 00:15:34.070 --> 00:15:36.070 of the show. Everybody was respectful and stuff. 00:15:36.929 --> 00:15:42.929 And the last song of the night, we played Fade 00:15:42.929 --> 00:15:47.269 to Black. And one of the lines in Fade to Black 00:15:47.269 --> 00:15:50.090 was, death greets me warm, now I'll just say 00:15:50.090 --> 00:15:52.600 goodbye. it's like one of the last lines i think 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:57.440 and uh when i sing now i will just say goodbye 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.440 instantly a thought in my head i never got to 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.500 say goodbye to my dad and it started to make 00:16:03.500 --> 00:16:05.659 me like like even right now it's making my uh 00:16:05.659 --> 00:16:15.120 sorry i never got to say goodbye and um it crushed 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:20.419 me to finish that song it crushed me uh Well, 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:22.879 as soon as the song got done, I just, I collapsed 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.220 down on the drum rise and I started crying. And 00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:30.799 I'll tell you this, the entire place went silent. 00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:33.440 There was no cheers, there was no hooting and 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.019 no hollering, nothing. Everybody was just standing 00:16:36.019 --> 00:16:38.399 there. And I think at first they just didn't 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.259 really know how to react. And then people started 00:16:41.259 --> 00:16:43.580 calling my name out and like the slowly clapping 00:16:43.580 --> 00:16:46.919 and cheering for me, you know, like, we love 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.950 you and stuff. the band was like go on in the 00:16:50.950 --> 00:16:54.129 back just just sit down i said no we're not done 00:16:54.129 --> 00:16:57.950 we need to get out and shake hands take pictures 00:16:57.950 --> 00:17:00.889 sign autographs whatever they want to do so we 00:17:00.889 --> 00:17:04.910 went out to the um merch booth and i can't tell 00:17:04.910 --> 00:17:07.089 you how many people come up grabbing my shoulder 00:17:07.089 --> 00:17:09.430 saying a prayer for me right there hugging me 00:17:09.430 --> 00:17:12.069 we're so sorry i'm so glad that you're here with 00:17:12.069 --> 00:17:15.190 us you know and i just felt a warmth from the 00:17:15.190 --> 00:17:18.559 from the crowd and i was just like It would have 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:22.859 been wrong to not give these people something 00:17:22.859 --> 00:17:25.140 that they gave me back in return the same night. 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:28.519 You know, I needed that support. And it was there. 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:32.880 And still, you know, I have a very, I don't, 00:17:32.900 --> 00:17:35.559 this was like a year ago and I'm like almost 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:39.039 in tears over it again. But I have to tell you, 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:44.880 the Horseman family of fans are wonderful, beautiful 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:49.599 people. And I. this is my life now. I gave up. 00:17:49.980 --> 00:17:53.240 I had rentals. I sold them all. I had an IT company. 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.440 I have no clients left. All I have done for the 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:58.759 past several years is focus on this band, and 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:02.380 now I feel like every day I wake up, I have to 00:18:02.380 --> 00:18:05.099 find shows. I have to bring this out to people. 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:07.339 I have to help people experience joy with this 00:18:07.339 --> 00:18:09.160 because they love what we're doing. They love 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:11.859 the old Metallica stuff, and I want to give them 00:18:11.859 --> 00:18:15.599 that. So yeah, it's really, this has turned into 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.710 my life. This is why I breathe. It's why I get 00:18:18.710 --> 00:18:22.809 up. You draw strength from the horsemen faithful 00:18:22.809 --> 00:18:27.089 just as they draw strength from you. Yeah, definitely 00:18:27.089 --> 00:18:29.910 that night was a testament to that very statement. 00:18:30.109 --> 00:18:33.170 I couldn't believe it. I didn't expect that. 00:18:33.190 --> 00:18:35.809 At the end of the night, I didn't expect that 00:18:35.809 --> 00:18:37.390 silence, but it was almost like they wanted to 00:18:37.390 --> 00:18:41.670 respect me for 20 seconds. And then they started 00:18:41.670 --> 00:18:43.609 all clapping and cheering and stuff, and it's 00:18:43.609 --> 00:18:47.000 like, wow, man. this is incredible you know it's 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:49.559 one of the hardest days of my life but it was 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:55.000 also one of the warmest and you know it takes 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:58.839 it takes a little something bigger than you to 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:04.319 be told that your hero the person who got you 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:08.119 involved in music the person who from you know 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:10.279 a very young age was the guy you thought was 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.359 the best guy in the world we all think our dads 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:18.940 are awesome To lose that guy and have to go out 00:19:18.940 --> 00:19:23.140 and act like nothing's wrong when everything 00:19:23.140 --> 00:19:28.019 was wrong. That really took strength that I didn't 00:19:28.019 --> 00:19:30.720 even think I had. But when I saw the crowd, when 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.339 I realized my obligation is here, this is now, 00:19:33.500 --> 00:19:37.960 I have to do this, I can't falter. It just got 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:39.680 me through it, just to know that they needed 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:42.140 that. And sometimes it's like you've got to put 00:19:42.140 --> 00:19:46.349 your own heartache aside. and do what you're 00:19:46.349 --> 00:19:48.829 obligated to do. And I'm obligated to spread 00:19:48.829 --> 00:19:53.609 that joy as much as possible. Gosh, Sean, imagine 00:19:53.609 --> 00:19:56.230 people. Somebody in that audience that night 00:19:56.230 --> 00:20:01.529 had a really traumatic week. They had something 00:20:01.529 --> 00:20:03.450 happen in their lives that, like you said, they're 00:20:03.450 --> 00:20:06.130 looking forward to that show. They've been looking 00:20:06.130 --> 00:20:08.849 forward to it for months. Either just go have 00:20:08.849 --> 00:20:11.450 some fun, blow off some steam, or they've... 00:20:11.819 --> 00:20:14.799 had loss in that year something like that and 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:18.819 you were there for them and uh wow what what 00:20:18.819 --> 00:20:22.400 a powerful story it's you know that venue not 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:25.460 to keep going on this i love that venue we'll 00:20:25.460 --> 00:20:30.359 always play that venue as long as i can the year 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:35.400 before it a lady and her her son i think it was 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:38.759 it was either one or two years before Actually, 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:40.819 no, it was the same year because we were playing 00:20:40.819 --> 00:20:46.039 it two times a year. A lady came, and I don't 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:48.859 name drop about this, but I'll tell you, her 00:20:48.859 --> 00:20:52.740 and her son love Metallica. They would come to 00:20:52.740 --> 00:20:56.279 our shows, apparently always come to any time 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:58.559 we came out to sound check, and I didn't know 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:03.440 this until she had a tragedy. She was going to 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:06.940 give us a piece of artwork that she had made. 00:21:08.379 --> 00:21:10.799 Metallica -esque artwork. And I said, oh, that's 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.480 beautiful. Bring it out to the show. He goes, 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:16.039 me and my son will be there. Two weeks before 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:19.039 the show, her son got killed in a car accident. 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:23.859 She came to the show anyway. She said, my son 00:21:23.859 --> 00:21:26.480 would want me to be here with you guys. And she 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:28.460 gave me the piece of art. And I was like, oh, 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:31.099 my God. You know, it broke my heart. And then 00:21:31.099 --> 00:21:35.019 the very next year, my dad passes when I'm at 00:21:35.019 --> 00:21:40.359 that venue. And then... The year after our last 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:44.279 show there, my wife's father ends up in the emergency 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.660 room that night during our show. I see her in 00:21:48.660 --> 00:21:51.500 the doorway in the side stage, and she's bawling, 00:21:51.579 --> 00:21:53.519 and I don't know what's going on, and I'm playing 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:57.339 for these people. So between songs, I ran over, 00:21:57.460 --> 00:21:59.160 and she said, My dad's in the emergency room. 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:01.279 And I'm like, What's wrong? She goes, We don't 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:03.779 know. And I'm like, You've got to be kidding 00:22:03.779 --> 00:22:05.779 me. So I told the audience, and people were like, 00:22:07.100 --> 00:22:10.299 please don't take this as our place as a black 00:22:10.299 --> 00:22:13.559 blight on your life, and every time you come 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.539 here, something bad happens. I'm like, no, I'm 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:18.700 not. It's just the irony. I'm not superstitious, 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.859 but wow, the irony of that place is like, man, 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:23.799 next time I go there, I don't want anything going 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:26.359 wrong. I just want it to be a show, and we can 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:30.640 all just have a good time together. But her father, 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.500 he made it out, and everything was okay, and 00:22:33.500 --> 00:22:36.849 it was a scary moment for us all. I was like, 00:22:36.890 --> 00:22:39.130 man, three things in a row have happened at that 00:22:39.130 --> 00:22:41.470 venue, and two of them have directly affected 00:22:41.470 --> 00:22:46.029 my psyche and how I felt I was going to perform 00:22:46.029 --> 00:22:49.069 that night. But, yeah, it's a little crazy. I'm 00:22:49.069 --> 00:22:50.930 not superstitious. It's just a little ironic, 00:22:51.210 --> 00:22:55.789 too ironic. Sean, when I first met you a year 00:22:55.789 --> 00:22:58.849 ago, and I didn't know any of these stories yet, 00:22:58.970 --> 00:23:00.690 what you've gone through, what your background 00:23:00.690 --> 00:23:03.950 was, you know, driving garbage trucks, working 00:23:03.950 --> 00:23:08.960 in a sheet factory, Sheeting plastics, going 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.759 to school, financing your own schooling to get 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:14.500 the I .T. degree to start the business, writing 00:23:14.500 --> 00:23:17.819 the three records, all this stuff. All that was 00:23:17.819 --> 00:23:21.640 new to me in the night that we spoke, dealing 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:24.799 with some back pain. And I'm just, you know, 00:23:24.819 --> 00:23:26.720 I was just getting to know you in those few minutes. 00:23:26.740 --> 00:23:28.980 I'm thinking this guy is about to hit the stage 00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:33.480 in an hour and a half and and just, you know, 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:37.670 deliver on the highest level. How does he do 00:23:37.670 --> 00:23:41.589 it? What keeps him going? But talking to you 00:23:41.589 --> 00:23:44.930 again tonight, I'm reminded of what drives you. 00:23:45.529 --> 00:23:48.730 And you said something in that episode that is 00:23:48.730 --> 00:23:51.309 just the coolest thing. You said, I think speaking 00:23:51.309 --> 00:23:54.890 of all the guys in the band, we are regular people 00:23:54.890 --> 00:23:58.829 who want to spread joy. Sometimes people on the, 00:23:58.849 --> 00:24:00.829 I don't want to say the outside, but they hear 00:24:00.829 --> 00:24:04.089 this music. It's kind of loud. It's very loud. 00:24:04.849 --> 00:24:07.490 It's very aggressive. It doesn't sound like what 00:24:07.490 --> 00:24:12.549 you hear on the local radio station. And people 00:24:12.549 --> 00:24:15.750 maybe have a misconception of the types of people 00:24:15.750 --> 00:24:19.009 who love this music, that we're angry and we're 00:24:19.009 --> 00:24:23.430 evil. And we're actually some of the most caring, 00:24:23.589 --> 00:24:29.069 dedicated, loyal people. We make up that community. 00:24:29.190 --> 00:24:35.460 And I kind of see what drives you now. You get 00:24:35.460 --> 00:24:37.420 so much out of this, and you know people are 00:24:37.420 --> 00:24:40.660 counting on you. Yeah, and I do agree with you 00:24:40.660 --> 00:24:45.200 about the community. I mean, this music, if people 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.200 are on the outside, let's say people listen to 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.680 old -time country, the sad song stuff where you 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:53.380 play the record backwards, you get your dog back, 00:24:53.500 --> 00:24:56.220 your house back, your wife back. They may not 00:24:56.220 --> 00:25:00.380 look at this music and say, that community is... 00:25:00.730 --> 00:25:03.750 a very close -knit community that respects each 00:25:03.750 --> 00:25:06.289 other and and has good high morals or whatever 00:25:06.289 --> 00:25:08.190 because they would listen to the music oh god 00:25:08.190 --> 00:25:13.369 that's scary stuff to me but in the metal community 00:25:13.369 --> 00:25:18.890 first of all our stuff was never mainstream if 00:25:18.890 --> 00:25:22.180 you wanted to hear it you had to find it Like 00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:24.420 when you and I were growing up, it was cassette 00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:27.960 tapes. It was vinyl. There was no internet. We 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.480 didn't have pagers and cell phones. We didn't 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.339 even have microwaves. I'm dating myself, but 00:25:33.339 --> 00:25:37.740 I don't care. We were the tightest community 00:25:37.740 --> 00:25:40.619 you could find musically because we had to stick 00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:42.819 together to share the music with each other. 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.400 All the underground bands like Metallica, Megadeth, 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.880 Slayer, Anthrax, they wouldn't even exist if 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:49.960 we weren't sharing tapes, buying their stuff 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:52.640 and sharing it with our friends. Because the 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:54.960 record companies, or the radio stations, I could 00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:57.779 say, they didn't want that stuff on their programming. 00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:01.099 That was devil music. Like, you know, you would 00:26:01.099 --> 00:26:03.000 think the typical stereotypical thing would be 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.660 for us was like, oh, these people are a bunch 00:26:04.660 --> 00:26:06.480 of devil worshipers. And it's like, dude, we're 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.640 just normal people, too. We just like different 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.839 style of music. It doesn't mean we're bad people. 00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:15.400 I mean, I know guys that are surgeons that love 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.319 Metallica, love Megadeth. I know guys that are 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.619 in IT. I know guys that do all kinds of... technical 00:26:21.619 --> 00:26:23.759 type of job i mean i was in the it field myself 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:27.000 i met all kinds of people that like oh man you're 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.599 in a metallic attribute that's awesome and uh 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:31.980 you know you they're professionals you know i 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:36.099 used to have short hair and and i wore khakis 00:26:36.099 --> 00:26:38.720 and a polo and you know sometimes suits to work 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:40.380 you know i understand and then there was the 00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:42.279 other jobs i had like you said you know i drove 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:46.279 a recycling truck and i i had to wear you know 00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:49.460 car hearts in the winter time to stay warm and 00:26:49.460 --> 00:26:51.599 it's just whatever man i think the community 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:57.539 is made up of everyone everyone and and you think 00:26:57.539 --> 00:27:01.069 about this i mean i like classic rock I like 00:27:01.069 --> 00:27:05.309 a little bit of death metal. I love thrash metal. 00:27:05.369 --> 00:27:09.130 That's my thing. But I like even some country 00:27:09.130 --> 00:27:11.150 stuff I can listen to and say, man, that guy's 00:27:11.150 --> 00:27:14.829 really like Brad Paisley. That guy can shred 00:27:14.829 --> 00:27:19.980 on guitar. He can. Solos. If you doubt me, go 00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:22.319 on YouTube and look up Brad Paisley shredding 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.299 on guitar. It's amazing. The guy is gifted, and 00:27:25.299 --> 00:27:27.279 it's like you have to respect that as a guitarist 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.299 because he could rip a bunch of metal guitar 00:27:29.299 --> 00:27:32.319 players a new asshole if he wanted to. My kids 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:34.880 love the Cars movies, and he's got a track on 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:37.460 I think the Cars 2 or 3 soundtrack, and it's 00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:41.460 all instrumental, and it's just metal riffing. 00:27:42.179 --> 00:27:45.240 He's an amazing guitar player, a very, very gifted 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:49.299 man. But he played country. That was his thing. 00:27:50.100 --> 00:27:51.940 But that doesn't mean he can't play other styles, 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:53.319 and it probably doesn't mean he doesn't like 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:55.079 other styles, because if he's doing a soundtrack 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.960 that sounds more metal, then obviously we know 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.680 the answer is he's not just a country guy. He's 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.599 just varied in his tastes and what he likes to 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:04.420 do. Same thing with me. I mean, I've written 00:28:04.420 --> 00:28:06.380 blues songs before that I would never put out 00:28:06.380 --> 00:28:08.880 on my old metal albums because it just didn't 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.720 fit the format. But yeah, I used to write blues 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:14.559 stuff. I mean, who doesn't like blues? Come on. 00:28:14.660 --> 00:28:16.920 I mean, metal's kind of based off of that, to 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:20.319 be honest. But yeah, the community is tight. 00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:23.579 The community is respectful. And I think that 00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:27.160 well -rounded in the type of human beings that 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.099 you're going to come across if you come to a 00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:31.720 metal show. We get all races. We get all creeds. 00:28:32.259 --> 00:28:35.079 And we don't care. If you're there, you're a 00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:37.200 brother or you're a sister. And that's all it's 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.220 all about. So when you say what does drive me, 00:28:40.259 --> 00:28:43.079 when you talked to me last year, yeah, that was 00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:47.680 maybe half a month after I picked Luke up. That's 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.539 what hurt my back. It still hurts, but not, I 00:28:50.539 --> 00:28:52.119 mean, I've been going to a chiropractor for a 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:54.759 year because of that injury. But yeah, I was 00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:58.480 fresh out of thinking I was 25 again, and I picked 00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:01.660 him up side stage between sets at the House of 00:29:01.660 --> 00:29:03.660 Blues Cleveland, which was the last show my dad 00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:08.079 ever was there alive for. And I just totally 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:10.160 pulled something in the middle of my back, and 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:11.700 it's like, man, I'm still feeling that today. 00:29:12.529 --> 00:29:14.869 Thankfully, not nearly as much pain now, and 00:29:14.869 --> 00:29:18.349 now it's just a dull pain. But, yeah, I get driven 00:29:18.349 --> 00:29:22.269 by the pure energy of what's going on. I don't 00:29:22.269 --> 00:29:24.990 listen to my body at that point where it says, 00:29:25.150 --> 00:29:28.170 you know, you've been in this squat stance for 00:29:28.170 --> 00:29:31.789 two hours. Your legs are on fire here, buddy, 00:29:31.950 --> 00:29:35.089 or your back is killing you, or your throat is 00:29:35.089 --> 00:29:36.890 really swollen because you're doing all these 00:29:36.890 --> 00:29:39.490 kill -em -all and you're screaming all the kill 00:29:39.490 --> 00:29:42.670 -em -all lyrics. I'm like, I don't care. I'll 00:29:42.670 --> 00:29:44.269 do whatever I have to do to get through that 00:29:44.269 --> 00:29:47.029 show. And if it means that I have to squat down 00:29:47.029 --> 00:29:48.569 and look like James, even though I'm not nearly 00:29:48.569 --> 00:29:52.390 as tall as James, I will do it because that's 00:29:52.390 --> 00:29:55.069 what the fans paid to see. I do not want to waste 00:29:55.069 --> 00:29:57.890 their time. I don't care about the money. You 00:29:57.890 --> 00:29:59.529 can always make more money. I tell people this 00:29:59.529 --> 00:30:02.029 all the time. I can never give you your time 00:30:02.029 --> 00:30:06.230 back. So if you enjoyed the set, I did my job. 00:30:06.690 --> 00:30:10.619 If you didn't... then that's the worst embarrassment 00:30:10.619 --> 00:30:13.380 I could have is I didn't try hard enough. I'll 00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:16.819 tell you this. We do not phone it in. We will 00:30:16.819 --> 00:30:18.900 never phone it. If someone in my band phones 00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:21.480 it in, I will be up their ass, and they will 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:23.799 not do that shit again because the fans deserve 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:27.700 the fucking best. You were talking about Luke, 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.799 and I've seen the way that he maneuvers that 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.319 stage. I mean, he's running circles around the 00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.200 place. Tell me again the bass. Alec. Alec. the 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.200 chemistry that they have, your drummer, Drew. 00:30:40.700 --> 00:30:43.420 I noticed last time, folks, I won't give any 00:30:43.420 --> 00:30:45.660 details away, but if you love some of the Black 00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:50.140 Album songs, come and hear Wherever I May Roam 00:30:50.140 --> 00:30:53.440 and how this is delivered and the punch that 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.220 the Four Horsemen give that song, that particular 00:30:56.220 --> 00:31:00.180 song. The set list kind of mixes around, changes 00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:02.980 around night to night. How do you decide, is 00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:06.049 it while you're kind of on the road? Let's mix 00:31:06.049 --> 00:31:08.150 these two songs around. Let's start with this 00:31:08.150 --> 00:31:09.890 one. How are you coming up with the set list? 00:31:10.730 --> 00:31:13.849 Actually, it's really simple. I'm an IT guy, 00:31:13.970 --> 00:31:17.609 so everything is saved on my computer. I have 00:31:17.609 --> 00:31:20.869 set lists that are 13, 14 years old for certain 00:31:20.869 --> 00:31:24.210 venues. And what I do is I look at Vinyl Music 00:31:24.210 --> 00:31:27.970 Hall. Okay, last year we played these songs. 00:31:28.549 --> 00:31:31.589 Some of these songs I still have to play. You 00:31:31.589 --> 00:31:33.849 don't get to go through a show without playing 00:31:33.849 --> 00:31:36.710 Enter Sandman or One. I have to play those songs. 00:31:36.930 --> 00:31:38.769 Master of Puppets, I have to play that song. 00:31:39.690 --> 00:31:42.309 Other songs like Wherever I May Roam, I could 00:31:42.309 --> 00:31:44.869 swap that out for The Unforgiven or Don't Tread 00:31:44.869 --> 00:31:47.029 on Me or Nothing Else Matters. You know what 00:31:47.029 --> 00:31:50.269 I mean? So what I do is I take out last year's 00:31:50.269 --> 00:31:53.210 set, I put it on my screen, and I put another 00:31:53.210 --> 00:31:54.890 one up in front of me, and I say, okay, we're 00:31:54.890 --> 00:31:57.589 going to swap six, seven, eight songs so that 00:31:57.589 --> 00:32:00.089 the people who came last year, if they kept my 00:32:00.089 --> 00:32:02.369 set, they're going to see that I didn't just 00:32:02.369 --> 00:32:05.210 throw them at the same songs again. I try to 00:32:05.210 --> 00:32:07.150 mix it up and make it fun for them and say, oh, 00:32:07.190 --> 00:32:09.950 you didn't play this song last time. No, we didn't. 00:32:10.269 --> 00:32:13.890 And you remember that. You remembered that. And 00:32:13.890 --> 00:32:15.769 some people say, oh, you played the song that 00:32:15.769 --> 00:32:17.559 I asked you to play last year. I'm like. That 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.380 was luck. I didn't remember that. It was luck. 00:32:21.460 --> 00:32:23.940 There's too many songs, there's too many shows, 00:32:24.099 --> 00:32:25.700 too many people asking for this, this, or that. 00:32:26.019 --> 00:32:27.779 Sometimes I get lucky and guys are like, you 00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:32.380 remember it? I'm like, yeah, no. But I do get 00:32:32.380 --> 00:32:34.400 lucky sometimes. But, you know, it's all black 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:38.299 and back. It's all 1991 back to 83 so far. We 00:32:38.299 --> 00:32:41.799 occasionally throw in stuff that's outside of 00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:46.299 that format, but usually it's one. Maybe two 00:32:46.299 --> 00:32:50.140 songs. Yeah, we've done Whiskey in a Jar. We've 00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:55.900 done Helpless. We've done Megadeth even. Long, 00:32:56.700 --> 00:32:58.859 long time ago. Not with this lineup. I used to 00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:02.720 do King Nothing and Fuel. And I think we're going 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.500 to probably bring those back in. But that's going 00:33:05.500 --> 00:33:09.160 to be for like... fairs and festivals where it's 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.160 a very very family oriented event and they you 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.259 know possibly don't want to hear fight fire with 00:33:14.259 --> 00:33:17.900 fire blasting over their ferris wheel so yeah 00:33:17.900 --> 00:33:20.039 i'll lighten it up for that stuff but i mean 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.859 it's not going to be a whole set of like you 00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:26.380 know load reload saint anger we don't do anything 00:33:26.380 --> 00:33:28.579 off saint anger probably never will i just i 00:33:28.579 --> 00:33:30.960 don't like the album don't tell james i said 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:35.900 that you know to to that to that point though 00:33:37.580 --> 00:33:39.680 James was on an interview one time, and I remember 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.200 him saying, he goes, you know, I'm not going 00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.940 to write the same album for 40 years. And that's 00:33:44.940 --> 00:33:47.940 the understanding that I have now of some of 00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:49.259 the Metallicas. People are like, oh, what do 00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:50.319 you think of this album? What do you think of 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:51.299 that album? What do you think of this album? 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.160 I'm like, dude, I like what I like, and my opinion 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.599 means jack. It's my opinion. So if I don't like 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.269 this song or I do like that song, neither opinion 00:34:02.269 --> 00:34:04.390 should weigh on you in any shape or form. If 00:34:04.390 --> 00:34:06.410 you like what's going on and you want to come 00:34:06.410 --> 00:34:09.010 to the shows, great. If you don't like it and 00:34:09.010 --> 00:34:10.530 you want to see some other Metallica shit because 00:34:10.530 --> 00:34:12.150 they play all the new stuff and you like the 00:34:12.150 --> 00:34:13.469 new stuff better than the old stuff, then you're 00:34:13.469 --> 00:34:16.449 going to go to that show. So my opinion doesn't 00:34:16.449 --> 00:34:18.869 mean jack shit. And I don't push it on anybody 00:34:18.869 --> 00:34:21.190 else. But when people ask me, a lot of times 00:34:21.190 --> 00:34:23.090 I'll give them a straight answer. But I won't 00:34:23.090 --> 00:34:25.130 put it out there publicly. Oh, this album blows. 00:34:25.329 --> 00:34:27.210 Why would I do that? That's just going to piss 00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:29.829 off Metallica fans. And Metallica knows who we 00:34:29.829 --> 00:34:33.809 are. They absolutely know who we are through 00:34:33.809 --> 00:34:36.750 other people in the industry who know who we 00:34:36.750 --> 00:34:39.090 are, who are friends with Metallica. And one 00:34:39.090 --> 00:34:42.429 of those guys is Brian Wheat from Tesla. He's 00:34:42.429 --> 00:34:45.010 a dear friend of mine now. He's talked to them 00:34:45.010 --> 00:34:47.510 about us, and I didn't even want him to do it. 00:34:47.809 --> 00:34:50.349 I just don't want to get shut down. My whole 00:34:50.349 --> 00:34:52.909 thing is, and I don't, we're not a threat to 00:34:52.909 --> 00:34:55.230 Metallica. No band is a threat to Metallica. 00:34:55.949 --> 00:34:58.510 But my whole thing is, I don't want to ruffle 00:34:58.510 --> 00:35:01.309 feathers. I don't want to piss anybody off. I'm 00:35:01.309 --> 00:35:05.070 just looking to do what I do. I'm grateful to 00:35:05.070 --> 00:35:07.710 do this. I'm blessed that we have people who 00:35:07.710 --> 00:35:09.849 even want to come and see us. We have a lot of 00:35:09.849 --> 00:35:11.730 haters out there like, oh, Metallica's still 00:35:11.730 --> 00:35:13.170 touring. What the hell do you think you're doing? 00:35:13.309 --> 00:35:18.869 I'm doing what I like. That's what I tell people. 00:35:19.050 --> 00:35:20.289 They're like, oh, you're not James Heffield. 00:35:20.349 --> 00:35:22.969 I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm an entertainer. That's 00:35:22.969 --> 00:35:26.789 all I am. I'm a clown at a clown show. I am. 00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:31.679 I didn't write the music. You know, the Ringling 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.199 Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus, they didn't 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.199 create the circus. They're just recreating it 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.800 for people all over the world, right? That's 00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:41.599 what we're doing because Metallica is not coming 00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:45.159 to Vinyl Music Hall. I guarantee you that. They're 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:46.940 not coming to Soundcheck Studios. They're not 00:35:46.940 --> 00:35:49.239 coming to Clyde Theater. All the places that 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.699 we play, Metallica will never show up. Maybe 00:35:52.699 --> 00:35:54.980 one of them will and just watch the proceedings, 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.679 right? Which would be an honor. I don't expect 00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:59.860 it. But if they came out, they're going to get 00:35:59.860 --> 00:36:01.539 the same show that anybody else gets. I'm not 00:36:01.539 --> 00:36:04.179 scared of, you know, if James, if all of them 00:36:04.179 --> 00:36:06.500 walked into our show, I'm not scared one bit. 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.619 I've been doing this almost 20 years. I'm ready 00:36:08.619 --> 00:36:11.219 for it. Right? And they're going to get the same 00:36:11.219 --> 00:36:12.820 show the rest of the audience would get. And 00:36:12.820 --> 00:36:14.280 I hope that they would enjoy it. That's all. 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.219 So, yeah, it's about spreading joy. It's about 00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:18.940 being an entertainer. And I'll tell you, I'm 00:36:18.940 --> 00:36:21.440 very, very grateful and very, very blessed. And 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:22.960 the rest of the guys feel the same way because 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:26.699 we could all be back doing regular jobs. And 00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:29.860 that would just be our life. But we're fortunate 00:36:29.860 --> 00:36:33.960 that people want to see this band. I think if 00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.480 they walked in, like you said, I just want to 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.500 call out Drew for a second. What a dedicated 00:36:39.500 --> 00:36:42.679 professional. I kind of have an affinity for 00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:46.619 drummers. I played with some guys, never played 00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:49.780 in a full -scale band, but I like drums. His 00:36:49.780 --> 00:36:53.659 dedication to, again, the note -for -note honoring 00:36:53.659 --> 00:36:57.030 of the catalog. He's all over it. He's locked 00:36:57.030 --> 00:37:00.949 in. And you guys just have a chemistry. Again, 00:37:01.170 --> 00:37:04.789 Hetfield, he's Papa Het these days. It's no knock 00:37:04.789 --> 00:37:06.849 on him. But you're not going to go to a show 00:37:06.849 --> 00:37:12.050 and see this 1988, 89, 90, 91 version of Hetfield 00:37:12.050 --> 00:37:13.849 that I think a lot of fans would probably say 00:37:13.849 --> 00:37:18.639 is maybe the best era, the best version. If you're 00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:22.199 asking me, yeah, of course it's the best version 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.079 because that's what I grew up on. I don't know 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:28.760 if I told you this last time, but the music was 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:31.320 something that really saved me mentally when 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.699 I was a kid. We might have touched on this before, 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:38.980 but I get so passionate about playing this stuff 00:37:38.980 --> 00:37:42.219 as closely as my abilities will allow me to play 00:37:42.219 --> 00:37:44.800 it. to the album how did it sound on the album 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.260 what was the tone what was the aggressiveness 00:37:47.260 --> 00:37:49.900 was it all down pickers was it was it uh alternate 00:37:49.900 --> 00:37:52.179 picking what was going on with the drums like 00:37:52.179 --> 00:37:54.840 my father was a drummer and a singer so like 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:58.219 you i gravitate towards drums as well drew is 00:37:58.219 --> 00:38:02.920 a very very gifted and maniacal like very driven 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.119 he has to have it right like it takes him forever 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:09.380 to learn a new song Yeah, Disposable, Damaging, 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.420 Blackened, Fight Fire With Fire, Dyer's Eve, 00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:17.719 you name it. I relish playing those songs because 00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:19.980 I know he's going to have my back on that, and 00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:23.260 it's going to be crystal clear. But yeah, that's 00:38:23.260 --> 00:38:26.960 the thing with us. I want to give people that 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:31.699 older, vintage Metallica experience. We don't 00:38:31.699 --> 00:38:33.960 do the pop -ahead version. I know some bands 00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.780 out there do, and they wear the vest with all 00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:40.210 the... patches on it and they got that old time 00:38:40.210 --> 00:38:43.510 microphone that James sings through now and I'm 00:38:43.510 --> 00:38:46.070 like no that's not us we are the pissed off broke 00:38:46.070 --> 00:38:48.989 our van just broke down with two flat tires we're 00:38:48.989 --> 00:38:51.550 that Metallica we're the hungry motherfuckers 00:38:51.550 --> 00:38:53.789 that want to go out there and just take over 00:38:53.789 --> 00:38:56.389 the world type of Metallica show and I think 00:38:56.389 --> 00:38:58.269 a lot of people enjoy that because I've even 00:38:58.269 --> 00:38:59.690 asked the crowd what do you want to see tonight 00:38:59.690 --> 00:39:01.809 do you want to see Papa Head or do you want to 00:39:01.809 --> 00:39:04.809 see pissed off James and I always get a huge 00:39:04.809 --> 00:39:07.750 roar when I ask that question they want the pissed 00:39:07.750 --> 00:39:10.070 off James era. They want, now I won't do this, 00:39:10.150 --> 00:39:12.510 but take a swig of beer and spit it in the crowd. 00:39:12.570 --> 00:39:15.449 What's up, motherfuckers? That's what they want. 00:39:15.710 --> 00:39:17.730 And I know that they want that. We have kids 00:39:17.730 --> 00:39:20.489 in the crowd, so I keep it toned down and I don't 00:39:20.489 --> 00:39:23.989 spit liquids into the air. But I know that that's 00:39:23.989 --> 00:39:25.969 the kind of show we're going to bring to them 00:39:25.969 --> 00:39:29.590 and they're going to love it. And we have parents 00:39:29.590 --> 00:39:31.869 all the time bringing kids to their show, little 00:39:31.869 --> 00:39:36.949 kids, like two to 18. Tonight's all ages. Yeah, 00:39:37.030 --> 00:39:38.989 so we're going to have kids in the crowd tonight, 00:39:39.130 --> 00:39:40.449 and their parents are going to bring them up. 00:39:40.510 --> 00:39:43.750 I had a father last year. His daughter had some 00:39:43.750 --> 00:39:45.750 kind of ride to lightning. I think it was like 00:39:45.750 --> 00:39:48.769 a whole skirt. It was incredible. It had lightning 00:39:48.769 --> 00:39:50.550 all over it and shit, and I was like, dude, that's 00:39:50.550 --> 00:39:52.170 amazing. He goes, this is her first show, and 00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:55.829 I'm like. And the thing that kills me too, Dan, 00:39:55.909 --> 00:39:59.150 is it was so weird when people first started 00:39:59.150 --> 00:40:01.289 saying, this is my kid's first Metallica show. 00:40:02.170 --> 00:40:04.090 This is the first time seeing Metallica. I'm 00:40:04.090 --> 00:40:06.989 like. we're not Metallica. Don't tell your kid 00:40:06.989 --> 00:40:09.050 that, you know, but I didn't want to say it to 00:40:09.050 --> 00:40:11.210 the parent, but I was thinking in my head, I'm 00:40:11.210 --> 00:40:13.570 sorry, you know, this is not Metallica. This 00:40:13.570 --> 00:40:16.190 was 20 bucks. And it's a, you know, it's a 600 00:40:16.190 --> 00:40:21.769 cap room, but I stopped trying to correct parents. 00:40:21.909 --> 00:40:24.869 Cause I'm like, who am I to give them their opinion? 00:40:25.530 --> 00:40:28.269 It's their opinion. They thought they just saw 00:40:28.269 --> 00:40:31.250 Metallica. Well, if you think that that's wonderful, 00:40:31.289 --> 00:40:32.969 that just means I'm doing my job, right? That's 00:40:32.969 --> 00:40:35.380 all. I'm never going to, That's never going to 00:40:35.380 --> 00:40:38.199 drive me and say, we're Metallica one day. That'll 00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:40.320 never happen. I don't have that kind of ego. 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:43.500 I wouldn't be that arrogant. But it's such a 00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:45.920 compliment. It warms my heart when people are 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.099 like, they liked it that much they called it 00:40:48.099 --> 00:40:50.460 a Metallica show. It's like, this was Metallica 00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:53.099 tonight. Well, maybe back in the day it could 00:40:53.099 --> 00:40:56.840 have reminded you of a Metallica show. But it's 00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:59.480 very humbling, very honoring. I'm glad to bring 00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.340 it like that. But it's really cool. At the end 00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:05.130 of the day, it's very cool. Well, Sean, I could 00:41:05.130 --> 00:41:06.750 keep talking and talking, but you guys have a 00:41:06.750 --> 00:41:09.250 show to play tonight. What are some of your favorite 00:41:09.250 --> 00:41:12.449 places? You've been all over the place. Where's 00:41:12.449 --> 00:41:15.050 a particular part of the country that you like 00:41:15.050 --> 00:41:17.769 or a gig that stands out the past few months? 00:41:18.610 --> 00:41:24.309 Oh, geez. Well, I would say Clyde Theater in 00:41:24.309 --> 00:41:27.800 Fort Wayne, Indiana is a kick -ass venue. It's 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.360 top -notch. It's brand new. And it's not even 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.360 brand new, but it's got that brand new feel because 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.380 they're just meticulous on how they keep that 00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:36.900 building. The entire facility is immaculate. 00:41:37.539 --> 00:41:40.679 The sound equipment there is incredible. It's 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:42.280 all from Sweetwater right down the road, the 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.280 headquarters. And we love playing that venue 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:50.059 because they treat you like you are the band. 00:41:50.380 --> 00:41:54.699 And the fans are very, very... energetic out 00:41:54.699 --> 00:41:57.000 there, very respectful. I don't think I've ever 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.820 seen a pit, and I don't really try to create 00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:01.940 pits. I don't like pits myself because people 00:42:01.940 --> 00:42:05.260 get hurt. We just had a pit in Michigan, I think, 00:42:05.260 --> 00:42:08.139 right before my birthday, and somebody split 00:42:08.139 --> 00:42:10.340 their head open, and I was like, ah, that's why 00:42:10.340 --> 00:42:12.619 I don't like pits. You know, you get hurt. But 00:42:12.619 --> 00:42:16.139 Indiana, we have great crowds. Michigan, we have 00:42:16.139 --> 00:42:19.659 incredible crowds the last three years running. 00:42:20.549 --> 00:42:22.989 Two of the venues, Machine Shop and District 00:42:22.989 --> 00:42:25.829 142, we've sold them out three years in a row, 00:42:25.909 --> 00:42:28.150 both places. One's a 550 -cap, the other's an 00:42:28.150 --> 00:42:31.550 800 -cap room. Incredible, incredible response 00:42:31.550 --> 00:42:35.409 there. Virginia, Virginia in particular, Tallyho 00:42:35.409 --> 00:42:38.329 Theater in Leesburg, which is like a little north 00:42:38.329 --> 00:42:41.610 of Washington, D .C., those guys, that's a 600 00:42:41.610 --> 00:42:45.130 -cap room, and they sell it out as well. I think 00:42:45.130 --> 00:42:46.670 the last three times we've sold that one out, 00:42:46.730 --> 00:42:48.309 and we've been playing there twice a year. Now, 00:42:48.329 --> 00:42:50.929 we're not playing there this May. because Metallica 00:42:50.929 --> 00:42:53.650 is going to be at the stadium with Virginia Tech, 00:42:53.769 --> 00:42:56.070 where the football guys are. They're going to 00:42:56.070 --> 00:42:58.590 be there, I think, in April. And so we talked 00:42:58.590 --> 00:43:00.510 with the owner, and he said, yeah, it might not 00:43:00.510 --> 00:43:04.090 be a good idea to compete with the real thing. 00:43:04.230 --> 00:43:07.190 And I said, no, I don't want to do that. I don't 00:43:07.190 --> 00:43:08.610 want to split our fans up, because it's a lot 00:43:08.610 --> 00:43:10.050 of money. If they're going to go to Metallica, 00:43:10.150 --> 00:43:14.050 they're going to drop a lot of money. And I feel 00:43:14.050 --> 00:43:17.369 like asking them to do that, to come to our little 00:43:17.369 --> 00:43:21.630 show. as well is like it's too much so I just 00:43:21.630 --> 00:43:23.630 figured why don't we just we usually do May and 00:43:23.630 --> 00:43:26.190 November in at Tally Ho so this year we're just 00:43:26.190 --> 00:43:29.809 doing November and I talked with the owner about 00:43:29.809 --> 00:43:32.829 this so Virginia is such a good crowd for us 00:43:32.829 --> 00:43:36.670 that I said give me the Friday and the Saturday 00:43:36.670 --> 00:43:39.329 and we're going to do our own no repeat weekend 00:43:39.329 --> 00:43:44.099 and he said Do you think it'll sell? And I said, 00:43:44.099 --> 00:43:46.559 yes, because I'm going to release the set lists 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:48.900 ahead of time. I'm going to show people what 00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:50.880 they're getting, but I'm not going to show them 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.920 what night, what song. You buy one ticket, it's 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.079 going to be double what the price of one regular 00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.280 show would be, right? So if it's a $20 ticket, 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:04.159 uh -oh, it's $40. But here's the kickers. You're 00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:06.380 going to see the set lists. It will be nothing 00:44:06.380 --> 00:44:10.079 past the Black album. It will be the first five 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.199 albums. Kill Em All, Ride of Lightning, Master 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.480 of Puppets, and Justice for All, black album. 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.880 We do do like one song off of the EP, the 598 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.820 Garage Days, not Garage Inc. We do one song off 00:44:23.820 --> 00:44:27.360 of that as far as we do Helpless, and sometimes 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.619 we break out Am I Evil or Blitzkrieg from Kill 00:44:30.619 --> 00:44:33.059 Em All, but they also threw that on Garage Inc. 00:44:33.219 --> 00:44:34.860 And I had people telling me, oh, yeah, it's on 00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:36.480 Garage Inc. I'm like, no, it's on Kill Em All. 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.559 I have the cassette to prove it. So the other 00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:42.179 thing I was going to say about our no -repeat 00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:44.380 back -to -back weekend at Tally Ho, I think it's 00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:47.820 like November 21st and 22nd, is that Metallica 00:44:47.820 --> 00:44:51.219 plays 16 songs. They release their set lists 00:44:51.219 --> 00:44:53.559 all the time after the shows, and you can see 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.019 it's always 16 songs. We're going to play a minimum 00:44:57.019 --> 00:45:00.579 of 21 songs per night, back -to -back. So you're 00:45:00.579 --> 00:45:03.320 going to get, instead of 32 songs, you're going 00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:06.440 to get 42. You're going to get 42 songs that 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:11.219 weekend. $40 presale, I think it's a pretty good 00:45:11.219 --> 00:45:13.679 deal. And so does the owner. And he thinks, you 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.539 know, we could probably sell this out. And I 00:45:15.539 --> 00:45:18.980 was like, of course we will. You know, the Virginia 00:45:18.980 --> 00:45:22.139 fan base we have are so loyal that they were 00:45:22.139 --> 00:45:24.659 upset we weren't playing in May. And I said, 00:45:24.699 --> 00:45:26.360 but Metallica. And they're like, we don't care. 00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:28.659 And I'm like, well, that's, I don't know. I mean, 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.699 would 600 people say they don't care? I don't 00:45:30.699 --> 00:45:32.820 know. But I said, we're going to wait. But we're 00:45:32.820 --> 00:45:34.139 going to give you something special for waiting. 00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:36.320 So this is the only time I've ever tried this. 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.860 And I hope that it is a sellout, and I hope we 00:45:39.860 --> 00:45:42.559 can maybe move that to other markets that we're 00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:44.380 really strong in, like Michigan, for instance. 00:45:44.619 --> 00:45:45.980 That would be another one I would try it in. 00:45:46.780 --> 00:45:49.440 But, yeah, there's been so many different markets, 00:45:49.460 --> 00:45:52.280 like the Vixen in McHenry. It's another one, 00:45:52.340 --> 00:45:54.659 800 cap room. I think we've sold it out a couple 00:45:54.659 --> 00:45:57.739 of times, and good markets. So, you know, I'll 00:45:57.739 --> 00:45:59.659 go anywhere where they'll have us, and they'll 00:45:59.659 --> 00:46:03.300 show up in decent numbers. Well, and back in... 00:46:05.019 --> 00:46:07.000 Black and back. I was starting to say back and 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:12.119 black. I know, that's the rub. But Metallica, 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.440 they have gotten around to playing most of these 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.260 songs, the first four or five albums, at least 00:46:17.260 --> 00:46:19.159 once, with the exception of some of the black 00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:20.840 album stuff. I don't think they really go back 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.639 to Struggle Within, My Friend of Misery. But 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:26.059 you guys play Eye of the Beholder sometimes. 00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.579 They have not played that song, to my knowledge, 00:46:29.619 --> 00:46:33.989 since 89 in its entirety. I can also tell you 00:46:33.989 --> 00:46:36.610 another song they won't ever play again is Escape. 00:46:37.230 --> 00:46:41.110 We play that often. We play it often. I like 00:46:41.110 --> 00:46:43.570 the song. James was forced to write one more 00:46:43.570 --> 00:46:45.309 song for Ride the Lightning. That was Escape. 00:46:45.590 --> 00:46:47.949 It pissed him off. He said he wrote it in like 00:46:47.949 --> 00:46:49.449 five minutes, and he was like, I don't ever want 00:46:49.449 --> 00:46:52.429 to play the song again. it's on one of your best 00:46:52.429 --> 00:46:54.829 albums and people gravitate towards that old 00:46:54.829 --> 00:46:57.789 stuff and they like it now the vocals are extremely 00:46:57.789 --> 00:47:00.510 hard to sing that might be one of the other reasons 00:47:00.510 --> 00:47:02.630 why because you know it's it's a higher register 00:47:02.630 --> 00:47:04.829 song if you think about singing it the way he's 00:47:04.829 --> 00:47:06.550 saying it's it's hard to sing it up there especially 00:47:06.550 --> 00:47:08.570 when you're tired at the end of the night but 00:47:08.570 --> 00:47:12.190 it was if if you're asking for acceptable metal 00:47:12.190 --> 00:47:14.590 on that album that's probably one of the more 00:47:14.590 --> 00:47:17.530 acceptable songs as far as the tempo and the 00:47:17.530 --> 00:47:20.960 demeanor of the song it wasn't Yeah, guitar solo 00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.639 is awesome. I mean, Kirk was a monster back then. 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.159 He was so articulate, so clean, and so fast. 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.019 He was probably playing like every other hour 00:47:29.019 --> 00:47:32.300 of every day. But yeah, those songs, I mean, 00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:34.739 Eye of the Beholder, yes, we break that out. 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.820 Damage Inc., we break that out. Struggle Within, 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:41.840 My Friend of Misery, Escape, Motor Breath. I 00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:45.159 want to get the guy. Here's the one song that 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:48.800 I want to get into this band is Metal Militia. 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:54.099 That song, I've not seen any tribute band even 00:47:54.099 --> 00:47:56.440 attempt it. We used to play it when I had a different 00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:00.579 lineup years ago. But you have to... Dave Mustaine 00:48:00.579 --> 00:48:04.900 wrote that. And you can tell because the riff 00:48:04.900 --> 00:48:07.579 where they're singing over top of, it's like... 00:48:07.579 --> 00:48:14.300 And I'm like, yeah, that's a Dave riff. You can 00:48:14.300 --> 00:48:18.710 tell. It's in his blood. Very, very... It's a 00:48:18.710 --> 00:48:21.230 challenging thing, but I go over these songs 00:48:21.230 --> 00:48:25.909 a lot. And that's one song, even though we haven't 00:48:25.909 --> 00:48:29.090 played that song with this band, God, probably 00:48:29.090 --> 00:48:32.809 a decade, I still play that at home because it's 00:48:32.809 --> 00:48:34.670 such a hard song. I would have to start from 00:48:34.670 --> 00:48:37.650 scratch again and relearn because you have to 00:48:37.650 --> 00:48:40.489 start screaming before you start singing because 00:48:40.489 --> 00:48:43.369 it's thunder and lightning. The gods take revenge. 00:48:43.670 --> 00:48:45.289 Well, thunder and lightning, it's all scream. 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:48.400 and then the gods take revenge senseless destruction 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:52.760 and then so i'm like okay this is ass backwards 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.340 you don't get any time to warm your your vocal 00:48:55.340 --> 00:48:57.880 up to that you gotta hit it like right off the 00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:03.340 bat yeah yeah i love that love that so that that's 00:49:03.340 --> 00:49:06.500 the song that i personally have told the guys 00:49:06.500 --> 00:49:09.420 we will be putting that back in the set list 00:49:09.420 --> 00:49:13.980 and the breakdown in the middle and it climbs 00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:17.139 so there's so many technical aspects of that 00:49:17.139 --> 00:49:20.739 song i'm like i've touted this band as being 00:49:20.739 --> 00:49:22.579 the one that's going to play all the songs the 00:49:22.579 --> 00:49:25.400 rest of them can't play we have to do that song 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:28.280 next that's like one of my like this year i want 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.480 that song done and in the in the set so i think 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:36.920 it's going to happen because i said so well whatever 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:38.880 songs whatever set list you guys put together 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.619 you're blowing people away every night you're 00:49:41.619 --> 00:49:44.900 getting new converts if that's the way to say 00:49:44.900 --> 00:49:49.739 it and um yeah from whether people are 16 or 00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:53.019 66 years old they look forward to these shows 00:49:53.019 --> 00:49:55.780 they make a big difference in people's lives 00:49:55.780 --> 00:49:58.119 whether they got a lot going on or they just 00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:00.559 have had a rough week at work or they've lost 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:03.400 a loved one but or just want to go out and have 00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:05.519 a beer and have a fun time anyway you know it's 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:10.179 not all about loss or struggle It's just camaraderie 00:50:10.179 --> 00:50:13.039 and what a vibe and energy in the room. It's 00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:14.820 electric, you know, so people, they gravitate 00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:17.579 towards what's exciting. And so do all of us, 00:50:17.579 --> 00:50:21.219 right? You know, I love exciting stuff. All right, 00:50:21.260 --> 00:50:23.260 Sean, well, you got to go. And I want to say 00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:26.719 one more thing. This maybe was something your 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:28.880 dad could have instilled in you, but if it's 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.360 going to be, it's up to me. You said that on 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.960 our first conversation. I love that. Such an 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.480 awesome takeaway. I've heard that before, but 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.360 it's worth repeating. People listening, if you're 00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:41.659 thinking about something, if it's just sitting 00:50:41.659 --> 00:50:44.119 in that idea stage and something's holding you 00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:47.079 back, get after it. Put that plan together and 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:51.400 follow whatever's driving you. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:56.800 If you have an idea and you think you can or 00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.980 you think you cannot, either way, you're right. 00:51:00.099 --> 00:51:03.159 And I think that was a Henry Ford quote. Not 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:06.079 for me, but I mean, I never really understood, 00:51:06.139 --> 00:51:10.260 you know, these. little phrases that famous people 00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:13.440 had said, until you live it, until you really 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.440 live it. And it was like my life was shambles 00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:19.199 back when I was 32 years old. I was so broke 00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.019 and so hopeless. It was like I have nothing to 00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:24.519 offer. I can't even offer anything to myself. 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:27.980 I couldn't pay my bills. I lost a house to foreclosure, 00:51:28.099 --> 00:51:30.820 lost a car to repossession. I lost a fiance. 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.000 I lost everything that mattered to me. And it 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:37.179 was like at some point you just got to say, And 00:51:37.179 --> 00:51:39.579 I'm either going to just be a pathetic person 00:51:39.579 --> 00:51:43.900 or I'm in the most, you know, I'm in the country 00:51:43.900 --> 00:51:46.500 with the most opportunity in the world. I can 00:51:46.500 --> 00:51:50.139 do something if I put my energy and my focus 00:51:50.139 --> 00:51:52.980 towards doing that and not hoping someone else 00:51:52.980 --> 00:51:55.500 is going to just give it to me. You can't go 00:51:55.500 --> 00:51:57.800 through life with your hand out because you're 00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.679 going to go through life at the end of a highway 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:01.320 ramp. And that's not the way you want to end 00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:05.139 up. You know, so it's like I've been there. Yeah. 00:52:06.010 --> 00:52:08.389 Yeah, I lost everything. Everything. I mean, 00:52:08.409 --> 00:52:12.090 even after I built myself up, I still lost almost 00:52:12.090 --> 00:52:14.889 everything that I had gained. And I had to start 00:52:14.889 --> 00:52:19.730 over again at 40 years old. So, you know, and 00:52:19.730 --> 00:52:21.949 I'm not afraid. That was 10 years ago. I'm 50 00:52:21.949 --> 00:52:24.880 now. I just turned 50 in February. So it's like 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.500 even when you are having things go your way, 00:52:27.579 --> 00:52:29.719 it can still fall. All of it can fall apart. 00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:31.679 And it did for me at 40 years old. It was like, 00:52:31.699 --> 00:52:33.719 oh, got to start over again. And that was only 00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:35.739 eight years after I got myself through school 00:52:35.739 --> 00:52:39.119 and started making myself an IT career. So, yeah, 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.159 you have to rely on yourself because you're the 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:43.739 only person who's never going to let yourself 00:52:43.739 --> 00:52:47.239 down. Everyone else will at some point in one 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:49.019 aspect or another. It could be big. It could 00:52:49.019 --> 00:52:51.460 be small. But you're the only person that you 00:52:51.460 --> 00:52:53.380 can rely on at the end of the day to get it done. 00:52:53.539 --> 00:52:57.699 And that's how I live my life. So there you go. 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.119 Well, come out and see the Four Horsemen. If 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.139 you're on social media, Instagram, it's the Four 00:53:04.139 --> 00:53:11.570 Horsemen official. And our website is www .4horses 00:53:11.570 --> 00:53:16.409 .me, as in me, my person, me. And we're on Facebook 00:53:16.409 --> 00:53:18.690 and Vans in Town and all that. You can get our 00:53:18.690 --> 00:53:20.710 links. All of our links are on the website, www 00:53:20.710 --> 00:53:24.690 .4horses .me. If you only know one song, two 00:53:24.690 --> 00:53:27.250 songs, three songs, come out, bring a friend 00:53:27.250 --> 00:53:28.789 with you, bring your girlfriend or your boyfriend. 00:53:28.889 --> 00:53:31.710 You're going to have not just a blast, you're 00:53:31.710 --> 00:53:35.800 going to create a lasting memory. If you want 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:37.639 to come back next time they come through town 00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:41.119 and going almost 20 years in good chance. He's 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.539 coming back to your town. Thank you so much, 00:53:44.539 --> 00:53:47.460 Sean. This is awesome. Looking forward to seeing 00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:49.820 you tonight and you guys have a great week. Go 00:53:49.820 --> 00:53:51.760 out there, make a difference in somebody else's 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.880 life and be good to yourself. We'll see you next 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:56.420 Sunday on the Dan time podcast.