WEBVTT 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:08.300 Okay, well welcome back to the Dan Time podcast. 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.880 Folks, I'm your host, Dan McArdle. Thanks for 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:16.440 coming along for the ride. As week in and week 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:21.320 out, I combed the Daniverse, as I call it, for 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:25.940 interesting, insightful, impactful guests, people, 00:00:26.739 --> 00:00:29.960 personalities, performers, you name it. We featured 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:34.549 standouts in sports, music, entertainment, sharing 00:00:34.549 --> 00:00:36.329 stories from people that I think you ought to 00:00:36.329 --> 00:00:41.890 hear about. Well, what about a Bay cult that 00:00:41.890 --> 00:00:45.229 you need to hear about? That's right. Today, 00:00:45.229 --> 00:00:49.409 I am elated to be talking about the winner of 00:00:49.409 --> 00:00:53.770 the 150th Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs, 00:00:54.049 --> 00:00:59.509 Mystic Dan. To speak on Dan's behalf, it brings 00:00:59.509 --> 00:01:03.259 me great pleasure to welcome part of the ownership 00:01:03.259 --> 00:01:08.260 group for Mystic Dan, along with his cousin Brent 00:01:08.260 --> 00:01:13.540 and Sherlyn Gasaway and Daniel Hamby. Today Lance 00:01:13.540 --> 00:01:17.840 Gasaway joins me to talk some Mystic Dan. I'm 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:20.319 sure he's talked a lot about this three -year 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:24.000 -old Kentucky Derby winner, but hopefully he's 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.340 still excited to cover some more ground today. 00:01:27.379 --> 00:01:31.340 How are you doing Lance Gasaway? Doing great, 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.540 Dan. And yes, it's been a been very exciting 00:01:34.540 --> 00:01:38.420 to be on this trip with the horse and very excited 00:01:38.420 --> 00:01:40.840 to be on the air with you. Thanks for having 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:44.620 me on. Oh, I sure appreciate it. And I hope this 00:01:44.620 --> 00:01:47.379 joke doesn't sound too cliche. But as I understand 00:01:47.379 --> 00:01:50.540 it, if we go all the way back here, this story 00:01:50.540 --> 00:01:53.739 really starts. It goes back to three guys at 00:01:53.739 --> 00:01:57.280 a bar. Is that right? That's correct. That's 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:01.560 correct. Ten years ago or so. Yeah, it's probably 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:05.459 yeah probably 13 14 years ago, but my brother 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:09.599 and Daniel Hanby and myself was in a bar across 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:13.919 the street from Oaklawn Park having a few afternoon 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:18.360 drinks and End up getting into the horse racing 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:23.419 business. I Love it. And at this time so So now 00:02:23.419 --> 00:02:26.479 you've got the Oaklawn Racing Casino and Resort, 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:29.500 but at that time was just Oaklawn Park That's 00:02:29.500 --> 00:02:32.300 correct That's correct back then it was just 00:02:32.300 --> 00:02:34.219 yeah, they didn't even have the casino back then 00:02:34.219 --> 00:02:39.479 so you and your dad and a friend Dan Hanby were 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:43.000 celebrating a good day a decent day at the racetrack 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:46.099 and Guy approaches you about you know, he says 00:02:46.099 --> 00:02:49.439 he's got three Arkansas bread horses and want 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.319 to see if y 'all were interested Yes, but my 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.300 dad was not actually with me then it was my brother 00:02:55.300 --> 00:02:59.259 my brother Greg and myself and Daniel Hanby My 00:02:59.259 --> 00:03:02.199 dad, he went to the races and all, but he wasn't 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.759 actually with us when we started that. Dad got 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:09.659 involved when we bought Mystic Dan's mama, ma 00:03:09.659 --> 00:03:12.580 'am. When we bought her, that's when my dad got 00:03:12.580 --> 00:03:16.460 involved. Uh huh. Now, people that listen to 00:03:16.460 --> 00:03:17.900 the show have heard me say this a few times, 00:03:18.379 --> 00:03:20.199 may bounce around on the timeline a little bit 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:22.840 here, but I'm always intrigued with the names 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:27.259 of third -bred horses, and this story, I guess, 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.360 is no different. Mystic tape people of a certain 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:32.979 age Because I got to say I wasn't familiar with 00:03:32.979 --> 00:03:35.680 the brand but this this was one of the old Borden 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:40.219 brands I think was a like a cloth tape or electrical 00:03:40.219 --> 00:03:45.740 tape that Dan Hanby Daniel the third Daniel Hanby 00:03:45.740 --> 00:03:49.199 the third old man used to sell this tape. Is 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:53.060 that right? That's correct. He started the company 00:03:53.060 --> 00:03:56.770 there in a hot springs And I'm not familiar with 00:03:56.770 --> 00:03:59.789 the exact timeline. I think it was in the 70s 00:03:59.789 --> 00:04:03.729 when that company started. But yes, his daddy, 00:04:04.069 --> 00:04:08.189 Dan Hamby, started selling Mystic Tape is where 00:04:08.189 --> 00:04:11.610 it started. Sure did. It's just such a cool story 00:04:11.610 --> 00:04:15.150 because it was his turn or it was the younger 00:04:15.150 --> 00:04:18.230 Hamby's turn to name the horse and he paired 00:04:18.230 --> 00:04:20.569 the two together. It just it's got a great ring 00:04:20.569 --> 00:04:23.069 to it. I'm a Dan. Of course, I'm going to like 00:04:23.069 --> 00:04:25.829 it, but Do y 'all kind of test run some of these 00:04:25.829 --> 00:04:27.870 names and ask around say hey, what do y 'all 00:04:27.870 --> 00:04:32.290 think about it? This is what we've decided No, 00:04:32.490 --> 00:04:35.470 you know actually, you know, so so it was three 00:04:35.470 --> 00:04:38.790 partners So to kind of give you a little bit 00:04:38.790 --> 00:04:43.110 of more background. So like after We bought the 00:04:43.110 --> 00:04:45.810 horses in the bar the arquebreds they didn't 00:04:45.810 --> 00:04:48.449 do you know, they that was just got us I guess 00:04:48.449 --> 00:04:51.529 you say got our feet wet into the business and 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:54.519 We eventually went and purchased a horse named 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:58.300 Malm and it was four of us. My dad joined in 00:04:58.300 --> 00:05:02.019 then, so myself, my brother, Daniel and dad joined 00:05:02.019 --> 00:05:04.959 in and we bought Malm. Well, after Malm's career 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:09.720 was over, dad decided to get out of the breeding 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.259 process because we was going to make a broodmare 00:05:12.259 --> 00:05:15.949 out of the Malm. And my brother decided he didn't 00:05:15.949 --> 00:05:18.089 want to be a part of it. So me and Daniel was 00:05:18.089 --> 00:05:20.389 left alone. And that's when I asked Brent and 00:05:20.389 --> 00:05:22.889 Sherlyn if they had like to join in on breeding 00:05:22.889 --> 00:05:25.589 this horse. So then we bred. So it was three 00:05:25.589 --> 00:05:28.310 of us owners. And we just said, hey, we'll take 00:05:28.310 --> 00:05:31.129 turns naming these horses, you know. So, yeah, 00:05:31.189 --> 00:05:34.810 it was Daniel's time. And he picked Mystic Dan. 00:05:34.889 --> 00:05:36.769 We didn't question us. You know, it's his turn. 00:05:37.089 --> 00:05:40.350 You name him whatever you want. Sounded good 00:05:40.350 --> 00:05:44.180 to us. Now, you mentioned ma 'am. Mystic Dan's 00:05:44.180 --> 00:05:48.980 mom or the they call it the dam Right. Um, where 00:05:48.980 --> 00:05:52.060 does Colonel John come into the picture? Is this 00:05:52.060 --> 00:05:56.360 is this mystic Dan's father? That's his grandfather. 00:05:56.360 --> 00:06:00.360 Okay, that's my daddy Colonel John was ma 'am 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.620 daddy mystic Dan's daddy is golden sense That's 00:06:04.620 --> 00:06:07.639 right. I looked up Colonel John saw he finished 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:11.720 sixth in the Derby the 2008 Kentucky Derby. Yep 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.319 But speaking of mystic Dan, so a lot of questions 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.560 I want to ask here, but I first I've got to point 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.420 out that this was the In this year's race. This 00:06:21.420 --> 00:06:25.720 was the closest three horse photo finish and 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:29.519 over 80 or close to 80 years I guess 1947 48 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:33.680 Right. What are y 'all? You know, I know Brian 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:37.699 Brian Hernandez the jockey. He's just twisting 00:06:37.699 --> 00:06:40.279 in the wind. He's waiting for the results How 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:42.759 are y 'all feeling? Are you are you personally 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.740 a ball of nerves when this is going on? Are you 00:06:45.740 --> 00:06:48.920 kind of the um, are you projecting calm, but 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:51.800 you're Everybody's holding their breath. What 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:54.879 is that? Like when you're waiting for those for 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:59.939 the results? You know So we were about 10 from 00:06:59.939 --> 00:07:02.459 where we were sitting We had a suite all the 00:07:02.459 --> 00:07:04.939 owner's suites are like right there along the 00:07:04.939 --> 00:07:07.759 finish line. Okay, so there's 20 different suites 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:11.459 there. So I think we were about 10 yards in front 00:07:11.459 --> 00:07:15.980 of the finish line. Honestly, I thought we won, 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:20.319 but, you know, we were all hollering, everybody, 00:07:20.339 --> 00:07:21.879 you know, hollering, coming down the stretch 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:25.379 and all. And I'm sitting there just, you know, 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.220 after the race and I'm like, you know, you're 00:07:27.220 --> 00:07:28.980 trying to catch your breath because it was so 00:07:28.980 --> 00:07:32.930 close. And Robbie Alvarado, looks at me said 00:07:32.930 --> 00:07:35.350 let's go and I said well go where and he said 00:07:35.350 --> 00:07:36.730 well we gotta go down the winter circle and I 00:07:36.730 --> 00:07:38.290 said well we don't know if we won yet he said 00:07:38.290 --> 00:07:41.569 oh we won now he's a jockey you know Robbie's 00:07:41.569 --> 00:07:44.569 a you know he won with swiss skydiver when swiss 00:07:44.569 --> 00:07:46.689 skydiver won the prickness and all and uh I mean 00:07:46.689 --> 00:07:50.550 he's rode a lot of horses and I think he's had 00:07:50.550 --> 00:07:52.910 over 5 000 wins he would probably be a hall of 00:07:52.910 --> 00:07:56.610 fame jockey but he he would work the horse and 00:07:56.610 --> 00:07:59.269 I've worked for Kenny McPeak and had uh helped 00:07:59.269 --> 00:08:02.329 train the horse and all and And he was like, 00:08:02.389 --> 00:08:04.310 come on, man, we got to go. And I'm like, man, 00:08:04.370 --> 00:08:05.970 we need to make sure. And he said, no, I'm telling 00:08:05.970 --> 00:08:08.129 you, we won, we won. And I'm like, OK. So we 00:08:08.129 --> 00:08:11.949 take off. And we start heading toward the winter 00:08:11.949 --> 00:08:15.649 circle. And about that time, they pop it up that 00:08:15.649 --> 00:08:18.370 we won. And of course, as soon as I cross the 00:08:18.370 --> 00:08:21.410 track, there's two state troopers grabbing me. 00:08:21.410 --> 00:08:23.389 And they said, are you Lance Gasway? And I said, 00:08:23.449 --> 00:08:25.350 yes. They said, well, you need to go. And I'm 00:08:25.350 --> 00:08:28.750 like, where are we going? What have I done? You 00:08:28.750 --> 00:08:30.529 know, I'm a country boy from Arkansas. I'm like, 00:08:30.689 --> 00:08:34.049 what's going on here? The governor's got to present 00:08:34.049 --> 00:08:36.210 you the trophy. So, you know, it's all live and 00:08:36.210 --> 00:08:39.549 all, you know, so everything's a rush. So really, 00:08:39.690 --> 00:08:41.690 I didn't, you know, we just had a minute or so 00:08:41.690 --> 00:08:44.990 where we were just even wondering if we won. 00:08:45.250 --> 00:08:48.350 And I mean, after that, everything was just war 00:08:48.350 --> 00:08:51.730 speed. You know, rush to the stage, pitchers, 00:08:52.090 --> 00:08:54.789 press conference after all of that. But it was 00:08:54.789 --> 00:08:57.539 a... It was it was a tense minute. I guess you 00:08:57.539 --> 00:09:02.159 would say Yeah, and you know they say that he 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:05.480 I guess it's common to just say That a winning 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.080 horse wins by a nose, but this was like half 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.399 a nose or whatever Whatever you would say over 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:17.659 Sierra Leone It was close I would say two or 00:09:17.659 --> 00:09:21.419 three inches. Yeah, and then forever young right 00:09:21.419 --> 00:09:24.909 behind and third Yeah, this I watched it on TV 00:09:24.909 --> 00:09:28.289 and But maybe I just saw the replay right after 00:09:28.289 --> 00:09:30.690 and I thought he had it. I thought mystic Dan 00:09:30.690 --> 00:09:33.389 had it But I knew it was extremely close, but 00:09:33.389 --> 00:09:36.110 I felt pretty good when the decision was pending 00:09:36.110 --> 00:09:41.570 also reading from Some of the reporting right 00:09:41.570 --> 00:09:44.230 after the race that mystic Dan got so close to 00:09:44.230 --> 00:09:47.429 the rail that Brian's boot struck the rail. I 00:09:47.429 --> 00:09:50.669 don't know if that if that caused him much concern 00:09:50.669 --> 00:09:54.669 or not, but Yes, that's the head of the stretch. 00:09:55.350 --> 00:09:58.029 There was a, just for a split second, there was 00:09:58.029 --> 00:10:00.629 a gap. The horse moved to the outside. I think 00:10:00.629 --> 00:10:04.950 it was a fierceness, if I'm not mistaken. I can't 00:10:04.950 --> 00:10:06.929 remember the horse. Anyway, he moved to the outside 00:10:06.929 --> 00:10:09.529 a little bit and just a little small gap there 00:10:09.529 --> 00:10:12.330 and Brian started heading through it and the 00:10:12.330 --> 00:10:14.409 horse squeezed him back down up against the rail 00:10:14.409 --> 00:10:17.250 and it actually, yeah, hit his boot pretty hard 00:10:17.250 --> 00:10:19.110 there on the rail, kind of slowed his up a little 00:10:19.110 --> 00:10:23.340 bit. but uh he shot on through it. Honestly the 00:10:23.340 --> 00:10:26.519 way this horse's turn of foot is, I mean he has 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:28.399 a real good turn of foot there at the head of 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:30.840 the stretch and I thought we was going to pull 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.220 away and win four or five lengths and then of 00:10:33.220 --> 00:10:35.440 course uh Forever Young and Sierra Leone was 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.580 coming at us hard there at the end, but yeah 00:10:38.580 --> 00:10:40.580 he did hit the rail pretty hard with his boot. 00:10:40.820 --> 00:10:43.039 Matter of fact he said he had a mark on it or 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.159 port and he said you know I think I got enough 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:50.009 money now I could buy a new pair. Now y 'all 00:10:50.009 --> 00:10:54.509 are in the ownership group and Kenny Mcpeake, 00:10:54.509 --> 00:10:57.590 you know a lot more than the average Spectator, 00:10:57.710 --> 00:11:00.190 I mean you've seen him. He's won the Arkansas 00:11:00.190 --> 00:11:02.350 Derby I'm sorry finished third in the Arkansas 00:11:02.350 --> 00:11:05.610 Derby March 30th won the Southwest stakes on 00:11:05.610 --> 00:11:08.889 February 3rd, you know what this cult is capable 00:11:08.889 --> 00:11:12.049 of How how did you feel going into that day? 00:11:12.789 --> 00:11:14.929 Is everybody checking the weather the night before? 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:17.320 And what do you think when you see the odds? 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:20.220 You know, how does the average owner or trainer 00:11:20.220 --> 00:11:23.720 react when they see 18 to 1 versus 9 to 2 or 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:28.779 what have you? You know, odds to me has really 00:11:28.779 --> 00:11:32.240 never... I really don't even think about the 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:36.899 odds. I guess I grew up, I was an underdog when 00:11:36.899 --> 00:11:39.220 I played sports. You know, I walked on at college 00:11:39.220 --> 00:11:42.919 and all. So, you know, to me, it's all about 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.090 the horse and the heart of the horse. We knew 00:11:46.090 --> 00:11:48.409 going in the Arkansas Derby, we had a good shot 00:11:48.409 --> 00:11:50.649 at that race. We just didn't get a good trip. 00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:54.889 We got hit pretty hard after the first turn with 00:11:54.889 --> 00:11:56.970 four wide on the first turn. And then starting 00:11:56.970 --> 00:11:59.830 to backstretch, we get bumped into really hard 00:11:59.830 --> 00:12:03.129 and almost knocked Brian off the horse. And by 00:12:03.129 --> 00:12:05.909 the time he gets resettled up under the horse, 00:12:06.049 --> 00:12:09.269 we've done lost five links. and five lengths 00:12:09.269 --> 00:12:11.389 in a grade one race, when something like that 00:12:11.389 --> 00:12:14.049 happens to you, unless you got some kind of monster, 00:12:14.149 --> 00:12:15.830 you're not gonna come back and win a race like 00:12:15.830 --> 00:12:18.549 that. So for us to get third in that race, we 00:12:18.549 --> 00:12:23.330 felt really good from the trip we had. So going 00:12:23.330 --> 00:12:25.789 into the Kentucky Derby, of course, anybody's 00:12:25.789 --> 00:12:29.009 biggest concern is if you get a good trip, you 00:12:29.009 --> 00:12:32.169 got 20 horses in there. And trying to navigate 00:12:32.169 --> 00:12:35.049 through 20 horses, you gotta have a lot of luck. 00:12:36.269 --> 00:12:39.250 and we had a jockey that just literally rode 00:12:39.250 --> 00:12:43.289 the perfect race and uh We had a perfect trip 00:12:43.289 --> 00:12:45.830 Rode the perfect race the jockey did and the 00:12:45.830 --> 00:12:50.090 horse performed, you know and um Mystic dan goes 00:12:50.090 --> 00:12:52.649 on to finish second the preakness finishes eighth 00:12:52.649 --> 00:12:56.509 in the belmont stakes But I read about I don't 00:12:56.509 --> 00:13:00.389 know how common this is visit hot springs arkansas 00:13:00.389 --> 00:13:04.730 visit hot springs is planning to release mystic 00:13:04.730 --> 00:13:07.909 dan trading cards What are your thoughts on that? 00:13:09.090 --> 00:13:13.929 They've already released them. They had a big 00:13:13.929 --> 00:13:16.990 thing up in Little Rock where they made the cards 00:13:16.990 --> 00:13:19.549 and all and the owners, we all went up there 00:13:19.549 --> 00:13:22.750 and watched the production of the cards and all 00:13:22.750 --> 00:13:27.809 and approved them. But yeah, it's exciting. We've 00:13:27.809 --> 00:13:31.570 given out a lot of these cards. I think originally 00:13:31.570 --> 00:13:34.490 they were going to make 30 ,000 of them and they 00:13:34.490 --> 00:13:37.789 ended up making 60 ,000 because there was so 00:13:37.789 --> 00:13:41.429 much demand for them. One thing about Arkansas 00:13:41.429 --> 00:13:46.049 is when. Something good goes in Arkansas sports 00:13:46.049 --> 00:13:48.529 wise and anything else that the state comes together 00:13:48.529 --> 00:13:51.409 and you know you just can't imagine how many 00:13:51.409 --> 00:13:54.429 calls we've had about people supporting Mystic 00:13:54.429 --> 00:13:57.330 Dan and you know rooting for him and the state 00:13:57.330 --> 00:14:00.629 is really good at that. This was a huge day for 00:14:00.629 --> 00:14:03.289 the state of Arkansas. Going back to the Kentucky 00:14:03.289 --> 00:14:06.740 Derby. Absolutely, Kentucky Derby and you know, 00:14:06.779 --> 00:14:09.700 a huge day for, you know, Oakland Park, you know, 00:14:09.740 --> 00:14:13.179 this horse, you know, went through the, the process 00:14:13.179 --> 00:14:15.220 there through the Southwest and Arkansas Derby, 00:14:15.299 --> 00:14:17.039 you know, so that's, that's good attention for 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:19.860 Oakland Park and then, you know, naturally myself 00:14:19.860 --> 00:14:22.019 and the other owners that we have, you know, 00:14:22.059 --> 00:14:25.059 I went to a small college that's good, you know, 00:14:25.220 --> 00:14:27.659 publicity for our college, a small town, communities 00:14:27.659 --> 00:14:30.340 I live in, Star City, Arkansas, and good Arkansas 00:14:30.340 --> 00:14:32.320 people have never heard of them, you know, so. 00:14:32.700 --> 00:14:35.419 It's just good for the whole entire state all 00:14:35.419 --> 00:14:39.379 around Now I loved reading about I guess the 00:14:39.379 --> 00:14:42.559 night after or the night of the Kentucky Derby 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:45.039 instead of staying there in Louisville, you're 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:50.600 you're heading back to a VRBO or Virbo home in 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:53.340 Lexington and just saying that look I don't I 00:14:53.340 --> 00:14:56.840 don't need all the hustle bustle of The big city 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:01.000 or whatever. I'm I'm a small -town guy Did I 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:02.809 read that correctly was that? a quote from you 00:15:02.809 --> 00:15:06.509 or from Brent? That's from me. That's me. I'm, 00:15:06.610 --> 00:15:11.049 you know, the governor there of Governor Beshears 00:15:11.049 --> 00:15:14.009 there of Kentucky there, you know, he was up 00:15:14.009 --> 00:15:16.129 on the stage and before we went live, he and 00:15:16.129 --> 00:15:18.870 I was talking and he's very nice guy. Really 00:15:18.870 --> 00:15:23.570 enjoyed visiting with the governor and he says 00:15:23.570 --> 00:15:27.169 to me, So I understand you don't like big crowds." 00:15:27.169 --> 00:15:29.950 And I said, well, I'm a country boy, you know? 00:15:30.830 --> 00:15:34.009 So me here in front of 160 ,000 people is crazy, 00:15:34.009 --> 00:15:38.909 you know? And he said, so have you ever been 00:15:38.909 --> 00:15:40.789 to the Kentucky Derby? And I said, no, sir. And 00:15:40.789 --> 00:15:42.149 he said, well, would you ever come back? And 00:15:42.149 --> 00:15:44.090 I said, no, sir. Not unless I had a horse in 00:15:44.090 --> 00:15:49.570 here. He said, well, not to put any pressure 00:15:49.570 --> 00:15:52.080 on you. Since you don't like big crowds, he said, 00:15:52.100 --> 00:15:53.980 but you're fixing to go in front of 28 million 00:15:53.980 --> 00:16:00.279 people. So yeah, you know, we stayed down at 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:02.879 Lexington. Every time we go to Louisville to 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.799 watch one of our horses run and all, it's nothing 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.220 against the town of Louisville. I mean, you know, 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.840 CDI was great to us, Churchill bounds there. 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:12.759 You know, I like the atmosphere down in Lexington. 00:16:12.899 --> 00:16:17.700 It's more hometown to me is smaller. And that's 00:16:17.700 --> 00:16:21.529 where all the farms are for the horses. and Kenny's 00:16:21.529 --> 00:16:24.450 farm Magdalena is there and that's where Miami 00:16:24.450 --> 00:16:27.269 is with a couple of her babies so you know we 00:16:27.269 --> 00:16:30.190 get to go see the babies and feed them peppermints 00:16:30.190 --> 00:16:33.049 and just you know it's just more down -to -earth 00:16:33.049 --> 00:16:37.149 homie to me in Lexington and not as big. I just 00:16:37.149 --> 00:16:40.929 feel more comfortable there. I have a one connection 00:16:40.929 --> 00:16:43.830 in Lexington. One of my dad's best friends lives 00:16:43.830 --> 00:16:46.830 in Lexington so I've enjoyed visiting. It's been 00:16:46.830 --> 00:16:50.480 a long time. I'd love to go back. Yeah, I really 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:52.980 enjoy Lexington. They have a restaurant there. 00:16:53.059 --> 00:16:56.059 We really like to call Tony's and it's right 00:16:56.059 --> 00:16:57.700 downtown They're right across from Ruppe Arena, 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:03.179 but boy it is really good food Well, let's uh 00:17:03.179 --> 00:17:05.220 One other thing I wanted to mention kind of going 00:17:05.220 --> 00:17:06.640 back to what you were saying. I wanted to add 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.599 this as well Brent's wife Sherilyn said Kind 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:12.059 of following up on what you're saying there. 00:17:12.059 --> 00:17:14.799 She said this We feel like we're just ordinary 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:18.279 people and we've got an amazing horse Can he 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:21.920 refer to working Dan working tan mystic Dan as 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.880 a working -class horse? Yes, I mean that's us. 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.440 I mean, we're just hey, I'm a farmer I grew up 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:32.859 when we raised rice cotton corn and soybeans. 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.980 I mean I I'm 61 years old. I've been farming 00:17:36.980 --> 00:17:41.640 since I got out of college and 86 I Mean I do 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:44.480 other things as well. But I mean farming's been 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.059 my my livelihood, you know and I mean, I go out 00:17:48.059 --> 00:17:51.920 in the dirt on a tractor and I'm a farmer. So 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.440 we're just an ordinary hardworking blue collar 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:59.960 worker, you know. And this horse, he's kind of 00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:02.279 like an old soul. I mean, if you've seen this 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:06.160 horse, he's just not as hyper as these other 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.220 horses. He's not as high strong. He walks around 00:18:09.220 --> 00:18:12.380 and just as calm as he can be. I mean, like nothing 00:18:12.380 --> 00:18:16.130 shakes him. Reminds me a lot of his mama. Ma 00:18:16.130 --> 00:18:18.190 'am was a real loving horse. She had she had 00:18:18.190 --> 00:18:20.650 love on you and you know, you feed her peppermints 00:18:20.650 --> 00:18:24.089 and just I mean literally just kiss on her love 00:18:24.089 --> 00:18:25.710 on her whatever she wouldn't bite your nuts in 00:18:25.710 --> 00:18:28.690 this horse the same way Mystics got the same 00:18:28.690 --> 00:18:31.849 personality as his mama. It's real laid -back 00:18:31.849 --> 00:18:35.690 horse I'm glad you said that Lance. I was I think 00:18:35.690 --> 00:18:38.450 people might be curious about the relationship 00:18:38.450 --> 00:18:43.309 that y 'all establish with whether it's One of 00:18:43.309 --> 00:18:45.630 the owners or the trainer or the certainly the 00:18:45.630 --> 00:18:48.670 jockey, you know Brian and Kenny but talk about 00:18:48.670 --> 00:18:51.009 the relationship that y 'all develop with ma 00:18:51.009 --> 00:18:56.529 'am and mystic Dan and a golden sense Yeah, you 00:18:56.529 --> 00:19:02.910 know that's so Bobby and I Bobby Joe my Actually, 00:19:02.950 --> 00:19:06.529 she's my fiance. We're fixing to be married Congratulations. 00:19:07.849 --> 00:19:10.789 Thank you. We uh, you know, we go to Oaklawn 00:19:10.789 --> 00:19:14.589 every weekend When it's going from now it starts 00:19:14.589 --> 00:19:16.609 up usually around the first or second week of 00:19:16.609 --> 00:19:20.230 December and goes till Derby Day, May the 4th. 00:19:20.390 --> 00:19:24.950 And every weekend we go to Hot Springs and we 00:19:24.950 --> 00:19:26.829 got a place over there so we'll go over and stay 00:19:26.829 --> 00:19:29.230 and go to the races usually on Friday and Saturdays 00:19:29.230 --> 00:19:31.509 and we'll get up in the mornings. I'm an early 00:19:31.509 --> 00:19:34.329 riser, a farmer, so I'm an early riser. And we 00:19:34.329 --> 00:19:36.730 go to the barns and watch the horses work out. 00:19:37.069 --> 00:19:40.369 go by and feed them peppermints and just enjoy 00:19:40.369 --> 00:19:42.490 being around them you know they're they're fascinating 00:19:42.490 --> 00:19:46.390 athletes and to me it's just you know i i just 00:19:46.390 --> 00:19:49.210 love watching them work out love watching being 00:19:49.210 --> 00:19:53.029 around them talking with the trainers the jockeys 00:19:53.029 --> 00:19:56.170 um and we got a lot of friends you know uh that's 00:19:56.170 --> 00:19:58.670 trainers and jockeys and we just enjoy being 00:19:58.670 --> 00:20:01.670 around that it's just different for me you know 00:20:01.670 --> 00:20:04.569 being an athlete it's a competition to me number 00:20:04.569 --> 00:20:07.579 one i want to have good horses and You know, 00:20:07.579 --> 00:20:12.500 you want to win and I'm a very competitive person 00:20:12.500 --> 00:20:14.859 by nature and I don't know probably to a fault, 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:19.359 you know, I I'm Real competitive I like winning 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:23.579 well Lance in 2015 I'm glad you mentioned this 00:20:23.579 --> 00:20:25.819 because I wanted to kind of take a section of 00:20:25.819 --> 00:20:29.380 this call and highlight your playing career and 00:20:29.380 --> 00:20:33.900 2015 you're inducted into the University of Arkansas 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:37.890 at Monticello Hall of Fame You mentioned you're 00:20:37.890 --> 00:20:41.509 a walk -on with the bow weevils Take me back 00:20:41.509 --> 00:20:44.589 a little bit to 84 85. I don't remember which 00:20:44.589 --> 00:20:48.470 year you're a freshman or upperclassman and We'll 00:20:48.470 --> 00:20:52.170 talk about you still hold some records at that 00:20:52.170 --> 00:20:56.970 school. Yeah and in 80 85 was my senior year 00:20:56.970 --> 00:21:00.750 and Yeah, I have a few records that that I'd 00:21:00.750 --> 00:21:03.470 sat down there, you know my college career I 00:21:03.470 --> 00:21:07.880 walked on down at UAM, my cousins, my two cousins 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:09.740 and my brother actually were playing football 00:21:09.740 --> 00:21:13.400 down there. And one of my cousins was an all 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:15.579 -American tight end. So he's, I kind of looked 00:21:15.579 --> 00:21:19.420 up to him and he was two years older than I was. 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:22.900 And, you know, walked on and had a good career. 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:27.099 You know, football's a, it's a team sport, you 00:21:27.099 --> 00:21:30.420 know. And to me, you know, when you give individual 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:34.549 accolades like that, it's, I'm not, big on that. 00:21:35.369 --> 00:21:38.190 I mean I you know I had a quarterback that was 00:21:38.190 --> 00:21:40.869 he's in the Hall of Fame there you know we had 00:21:40.869 --> 00:21:43.769 a I had a good receiving corps that was I was 00:21:43.769 --> 00:21:45.809 a wide receiver and I had a good receiving corps 00:21:45.809 --> 00:21:49.049 that that you know complimented me you know that 00:21:49.049 --> 00:21:51.569 took pressure off me and then then you know you 00:21:51.569 --> 00:21:53.630 got offensive line and you know we had two guys 00:21:53.630 --> 00:21:55.490 I know one of them was an academic all -american 00:21:55.490 --> 00:21:59.390 Ray Howard and it takes 11 guys out there so 00:21:59.390 --> 00:22:04.180 um you know and I mean yeah the I got inducted 00:22:04.180 --> 00:22:06.599 into Hall of Fame, but to me it was it was our 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.480 team that should have been there because One 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:11.819 person don't do that. It takes a team effort 00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:17.359 It sure does and I'm sure like you said even 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:21.519 with the years going by once a competitor always 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:25.119 a competitor and I always wonder because you 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:26.980 know that I wouldn't even call it the dream But 00:22:26.980 --> 00:22:29.640 the dream came to an end for me a lot earlier 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.700 Do you miss it that first year or two once you've 00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:35.359 taken the uniform off and you're you're not gonna 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:39.980 be playing? At that level How do guys transition 00:22:39.980 --> 00:22:44.660 was it was it easy for you or? You know, I actually 00:22:44.660 --> 00:22:48.220 I actually got the opportunity to try professionally 00:22:48.220 --> 00:22:53.559 We had a coach at a Henderson State University 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:56.680 sporty carpenter he was good friends with my 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:01.220 father -in -law back at that time and He had 00:23:01.220 --> 00:23:04.579 a friend that was an agent and he got me a try 00:23:04.579 --> 00:23:07.759 a walk -on or a try out a free agent contract 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.359 Up in or not a free agent contract, but a free 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.480 agent camp up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania so 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.299 I went up to actually try out professionally 00:23:17.299 --> 00:23:22.000 and And it and I missed it a year so the year 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.500 I graduated I was getting ready to go and the 00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:32.469 NFL Folded that's when NFL went on a strike And 00:23:32.469 --> 00:23:35.930 so I didn't get a chance to try out that first 00:23:35.930 --> 00:23:38.029 year. In the second year, I had to sit out a 00:23:38.029 --> 00:23:40.049 year and I just kept training on. I went the 00:23:40.049 --> 00:23:43.710 next year and try it out and end up at a, had 00:23:43.710 --> 00:23:46.410 a pretty decent camp and got my knee hurt. Like 00:23:46.410 --> 00:23:49.710 on the last day in the second half of the game, 00:23:49.730 --> 00:23:51.450 we have like a big scrimmage game and got my 00:23:51.450 --> 00:23:55.069 knee hurting and I didn't go get it fixed. And 00:23:55.069 --> 00:23:57.869 sure enough, they called me to come up and I 00:23:57.869 --> 00:23:59.589 just wasn't ready. So I just wasn't meant to 00:23:59.589 --> 00:24:02.460 be. But it was hard for me to let go of the game. 00:24:02.619 --> 00:24:05.660 I mean, it got, I really struggled going to watch 00:24:05.660 --> 00:24:08.319 high school games and, you know, that kind of 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:10.119 stuff and kind of stayed away for it for three 00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:12.519 or four years. And then a buddy of mine at star 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.259 city, the high school I went to was a head coach 00:24:15.259 --> 00:24:17.039 and he says, Hey, won't you come, I want you 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:18.759 to come work with my receivers one day, if you 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:20.819 don't mind. I said, sure. I'll come. So I went 00:24:20.819 --> 00:24:22.460 over and started working with the receivers, 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:25.599 trying to help them. I coached them some and 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:27.240 then he ended up asking me to be the offensive 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.279 coordinator. So then I got back in it and there 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.240 goes that competitiveness. You know, you're offensive 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:32.740 coordinator, you're wanting to outdo the guy 00:24:32.740 --> 00:24:34.519 on the other side and you're wanting to win. 00:24:34.900 --> 00:24:38.339 So I did that for four or five years. I was just 00:24:38.339 --> 00:24:42.240 a volunteer guy that kept out there at the school, 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:46.240 my old school and really enjoyed it. Yeah. I've 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:48.000 got some friends and in fact, one that appeared 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.599 on the podcast early in this project. and play 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.039 quarterback at University of Central Florida. 00:24:55.779 --> 00:24:58.180 And you can just tell, I mean, I think I would 00:24:58.180 --> 00:25:00.799 feel the same way that it's always in your blood 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:04.740 and they don't make movies. I know Field of Dreams 00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:06.619 is a baseball movie, but they don't make movies 00:25:06.619 --> 00:25:09.759 like that. If there wasn't, if most people who 00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:13.819 played their chosen sport didn't want to keep 00:25:13.819 --> 00:25:17.539 playing it as long as they could. Oh, absolutely. 00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:20.319 I agree 100%. And you know, the only reason I 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:23.920 got out from coaching is that my kids, my boys 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.960 at that point were about to get to the age from 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:29.559 junior high, moving up to senior high. And, you 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:34.039 know, I didn't want, I wanted my kids to do what 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:36.319 they did on their own, you know, not because 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:40.150 of. who I was or what I accomplished. And I just 00:25:40.150 --> 00:25:42.009 didn't, I didn't think that would be fair to 00:25:42.009 --> 00:25:44.289 them with me being a coach or somebody, you know, 00:25:44.329 --> 00:25:46.529 how people are the, you know, hey, he's playing 00:25:46.529 --> 00:25:48.210 because he's his son or whatever, you know, I 00:25:48.210 --> 00:25:49.869 said, no, I want to be away from that. I want 00:25:49.869 --> 00:25:53.529 him to stand on his own. So that's, that's when 00:25:53.529 --> 00:25:55.650 I walked out and just became a spectator at that 00:25:55.650 --> 00:25:59.190 point. Lance, real quick, just kind of anecdote 00:25:59.190 --> 00:26:02.490 here, looking over the schedule from 1985. I 00:26:02.490 --> 00:26:05.619 grew up a lot. Most of the time I was growing 00:26:05.619 --> 00:26:07.920 up was in the Birmingham area and I see that 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:09.859 second game of this season y 'all played Samford 00:26:09.859 --> 00:26:14.579 University Yes, yes, they had just like started 00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:18.519 their football program back then I remember right 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:20.079 they were like might have been their first or 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.579 second year to start a start their program back 00:26:22.579 --> 00:26:26.500 or just started up one Talking about record set 00:26:26.500 --> 00:26:28.920 but sometimes I just like to ask about memories 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:30.859 Are there any plays that nobody talks about that 00:26:30.859 --> 00:26:34.210 you remember that you? particularly exciting 00:26:34.210 --> 00:26:38.390 that you were a part of or maybe a long drive, 00:26:38.789 --> 00:26:41.549 80, 90 yard length of the field drive under the 00:26:41.549 --> 00:26:46.190 gun or anything like that? You know, we was playing 00:26:46.190 --> 00:26:49.109 Henderson's, probably the biggest thing that 00:26:49.109 --> 00:26:51.029 sticks out to me. We was playing Henderson and 00:26:51.029 --> 00:26:53.069 this is one of the games I'd set a record on. 00:26:54.009 --> 00:26:56.630 And this corner, he was a good corner. So it 00:26:56.630 --> 00:26:59.750 was a, I guess you'd say a lot of publicity about 00:26:59.750 --> 00:27:03.970 him guarding me, you know, that game. And, uh, 00:27:04.269 --> 00:27:06.789 we kept working the sideline. We just, Joe Don 00:27:06.789 --> 00:27:11.130 and I, and, uh, Joe Don had the coach, you know, 00:27:11.130 --> 00:27:13.210 he had the ride. He could check off any time 00:27:13.210 --> 00:27:16.390 to any play. Well, this corner kept playing off 00:27:16.390 --> 00:27:18.289 of me. So we kept running these out routes, you 00:27:18.289 --> 00:27:21.269 know, I mean, you set a record when you just 00:27:21.269 --> 00:27:25.890 keep running out rail. Okay. We keep running 00:27:25.890 --> 00:27:28.970 these out routes and. Uh, we're back in the huddle 00:27:28.970 --> 00:27:30.490 and I look at Joe and I said, he's ready. And 00:27:30.490 --> 00:27:31.869 he said, you sure? And I said, I'm telling you, 00:27:31.869 --> 00:27:35.309 he's ready. So I could tell this corner was wanting 00:27:35.309 --> 00:27:38.450 to hop that route, you know? And, uh, so we run 00:27:38.450 --> 00:27:41.430 a out and up, you know, wheel route. And as soon 00:27:41.430 --> 00:27:44.789 as I turn up, I hear the corner say, oh shit. 00:27:45.650 --> 00:27:48.049 I just sticks in my head. It was a touchdown. 00:27:48.289 --> 00:27:51.490 You know, that kind of stuff like that just really 00:27:51.490 --> 00:27:54.690 sticks in your head. I love it. Well, I could 00:27:54.690 --> 00:27:58.059 talk to you about the football. the football 00:27:58.059 --> 00:28:01.180 stuff for an entire episode as well. Coming back 00:28:01.180 --> 00:28:04.119 to Mystic Dan here for a second. Now, a big deal 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:09.220 for Arkansas and for Oaklawn, for Oaklawn Horses, 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.539 some previous names some people might be familiar 00:28:11.539 --> 00:28:15.940 with, Zenyatta, Rachel Alexander, American Pharaoh, 00:28:16.220 --> 00:28:20.299 certainly. Smarty Jones, about 20 years ago? 00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:24.339 Yep. How does it feel to be kind of a, mentioned 00:28:24.339 --> 00:28:27.859 in the same breath as? American Pharaoh or Smarty 00:28:27.859 --> 00:28:31.640 Jones? Well, you know, the American Pharaoh, 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:34.980 if I'm not mistaken, was the only other cards 00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:38.059 that they ran through, like these trading cards 00:28:38.059 --> 00:28:43.619 at Oaklawn. So, yeah, I mean, it's just unbelievable 00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:46.680 to think that, you know, we're in the same breath 00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:49.299 as an American Pharaoh, Rachel Alexander, Smarty 00:28:49.299 --> 00:28:54.039 Jones, all of them. I mean, it's just very humbling, 00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:57.529 very humbling. And I'm sure people ask what's 00:28:57.529 --> 00:29:00.849 next for mystic Dan and maybe it hasn't been 00:29:00.849 --> 00:29:04.029 decided upon but um anything you can speak to 00:29:04.029 --> 00:29:08.509 about mystic Dan and Yeah, you know he the Belmont 00:29:08.509 --> 00:29:14.529 You know a lot of it He had a mucus after the 00:29:14.529 --> 00:29:17.009 race We scoped him because we knew he didn't 00:29:17.009 --> 00:29:19.069 have that turn of foot at the head of the stretch 00:29:19.069 --> 00:29:21.609 like he normally does and And when they get mucus 00:29:21.609 --> 00:29:23.369 in their throat, they have trouble breathing 00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:28.299 And also he had a four out of 10, the way they 00:29:28.299 --> 00:29:31.940 kind of scale it, you know, on laryngitis or 00:29:31.940 --> 00:29:35.940 sore throat. So he had obviously picked up some 00:29:35.940 --> 00:29:38.759 kind of cold that week. So we decided to give 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.299 him 30 days off. And in all fairness to the horse, 00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:46.380 probably, you know, he had ran a... Three grade 00:29:46.380 --> 00:29:48.720 one races the Triple Crown in five weeks there, 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.480 so I'm sure his immune system as an athlete You 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.099 know you get beat down you get tired even as 00:29:54.099 --> 00:29:57.579 a human. You know you go work You know some people 00:29:57.579 --> 00:29:59.980 have to work 24 hour shift No, you go work a 00:29:59.980 --> 00:30:01.819 shift like that your body get you know you get 00:30:01.819 --> 00:30:04.440 beat down you get tired and I'm sure a mystics 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.839 body was was a His immune system was probably 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:10.440 beat down a little bit which was made him successful 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.740 to a cold or whatever So we're gonna give him 00:30:13.740 --> 00:30:16.289 30 days rest where he's just going to turn him 00:30:16.289 --> 00:30:19.230 out, let him be a horse, let him eat grass and 00:30:19.230 --> 00:30:21.630 just, just relax for 30 days. And then we're 00:30:21.630 --> 00:30:23.269 going to bring it back in training and get him 00:30:23.269 --> 00:30:25.890 ready for the Travers state. And, uh, I think 00:30:25.890 --> 00:30:29.769 it's like August 24th and then, uh, possibly 00:30:29.769 --> 00:30:32.569 the Pennsylvania Derby the next month in September, 00:30:32.569 --> 00:30:36.410 and then shoot for the breeders' cup. That's 00:30:36.410 --> 00:30:41.029 the plan for him. Well, I'm so excited to be 00:30:41.029 --> 00:30:43.150 talking about Mystic Dan and have been following 00:30:43.150 --> 00:30:46.839 him. During this exciting ride and to get some 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:50.859 inside perspective from you Lance and some stuff 00:30:50.859 --> 00:30:54.140 that maybe my listeners are Hopefully this is 00:30:54.140 --> 00:30:57.660 enlightening for people How how about now? This 00:30:57.660 --> 00:31:01.799 is just some extra tidbits here, but Kenny McPeak 00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.579 had a triple crown victory Over 20 years ago. 00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.559 I cannot believe this I had to look at it two 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.220 or three times a 70 to one favorite Sarava am 00:31:12.220 --> 00:31:15.579 I pronouncing that right? To Hano run wasn't 00:31:15.579 --> 00:31:18.380 it? No, no, no, you're right. You're right the 00:31:18.380 --> 00:31:23.059 2002 Belmont stakes Yes, I don't I can't remember 00:31:23.059 --> 00:31:25.140 the name of that guy that horse but I yes, you're 00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:29.039 exactly right. He did idea talking and I agree 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:31.039 with you on odds and just from my perspective, 00:31:31.099 --> 00:31:36.299 but 70 to one that's gotta You know, there's 00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:38.980 something I always told somebody and there's 00:31:38.980 --> 00:31:40.880 so much truth to this, especially a while ago, 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:42.700 you said, okay, well, we're not literally talking 00:31:42.700 --> 00:31:46.180 to Mystic Dan, you know, we can't, but that's 00:31:46.180 --> 00:31:48.019 a problem. A lot of people will come up to you 00:31:48.019 --> 00:31:49.759 for the, well, what do you think about your horse? 00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:52.900 Well, I don't know. I went to the barn this morning, 00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:57.140 he wasn't talking. And there's what happened 00:31:57.140 --> 00:31:59.779 with the Belmont. You know, we scoped that horse 00:31:59.779 --> 00:32:01.759 the week before we had to work the week before 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.509 the Belmont and worked him. and they scope them 00:32:04.509 --> 00:32:06.769 after they work them because it gets their you 00:32:06.769 --> 00:32:08.970 know their blood flowing good gets them attached 00:32:08.970 --> 00:32:11.049 you know everything's going good on the horse 00:32:11.049 --> 00:32:12.509 and that's when you can really tell if there's 00:32:12.509 --> 00:32:14.190 something wrong with their airway their breathing 00:32:14.190 --> 00:32:16.390 and all that kind of stuff so if you just went 00:32:16.390 --> 00:32:18.210 he woke up in the morning you scoped him you 00:32:18.210 --> 00:32:20.130 wouldn't see nothing even if there was something 00:32:20.130 --> 00:32:22.849 there unless it was inflamed throat you know 00:32:22.849 --> 00:32:25.490 like the laryngitis but after the mucus you would 00:32:25.490 --> 00:32:31.089 never see it because it hadn't come up so that 00:32:31.089 --> 00:32:34.630 morning I mean, during that week, sometime, he 00:32:34.630 --> 00:32:36.990 caught a cold. Because that Saturday before the 00:32:36.990 --> 00:32:39.390 race, everything was good. He had no mucus, nothing. 00:32:39.670 --> 00:32:42.750 We checked him right after the work. So, you 00:32:42.750 --> 00:32:45.109 know, if we would have got up and scoped him 00:32:45.109 --> 00:32:46.569 the morning of the race, we wouldn't have seen 00:32:46.569 --> 00:32:50.410 nothing other than maybe a little bit of laryngitis, 00:32:50.529 --> 00:32:53.730 you know. Right. That's the bad thing about horse 00:32:53.730 --> 00:32:56.130 racing. These suckers can't talk to you. So you 00:32:56.130 --> 00:32:58.509 don't really know how they feel. Whereas an athlete, 00:32:58.549 --> 00:33:00.009 you know, you get up how you feel today. Well, 00:33:00.009 --> 00:33:01.730 I don't feel real good. Well, if you've got a 00:33:01.730 --> 00:33:03.009 cold, you're not going to be able to breathe 00:33:03.009 --> 00:33:04.750 is good either. And you're not going to perform 00:33:04.750 --> 00:33:08.890 as well. So these are high performance athletes. 00:33:09.190 --> 00:33:11.910 And any time they have something like that, it 00:33:11.910 --> 00:33:14.769 can happen. So, you know, there's some days that 00:33:14.769 --> 00:33:17.430 a 70 to one feels good and maybe the favorite 00:33:17.430 --> 00:33:19.670 over here don't, you know, and hey, it was his 00:33:19.670 --> 00:33:23.769 day. It happens. That's an excellent point. I'm 00:33:23.769 --> 00:33:26.569 glad you mentioned that, that it sounds simple, 00:33:26.589 --> 00:33:28.769 but yeah, you can't talk to the horse. He can't 00:33:28.769 --> 00:33:32.690 express, you know, what's, if he's feeling ill 00:33:32.690 --> 00:33:35.569 or if he's, if something's aching or something 00:33:35.569 --> 00:33:39.309 that just can't be diagnosed. Yep. The only thing 00:33:39.309 --> 00:33:41.509 that they can really do and, you know, all the 00:33:41.509 --> 00:33:43.170 trainers, you know, we have Brad Cox that trained 00:33:43.170 --> 00:33:45.710 some of our horse or one of my horses as well. 00:33:45.869 --> 00:33:49.329 And Brad's trained other horses for me and Kenny, 00:33:49.490 --> 00:33:51.509 they're, they're, you know, they're good trainers. 00:33:52.609 --> 00:33:57.029 But man, these guys, their hands are tied because 00:33:57.029 --> 00:33:59.009 the only thing they can go by is how good the 00:33:59.009 --> 00:34:01.829 horse is eating, how good he's moving. And they 00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:04.529 check them every day. You know, they'll rub their 00:34:04.529 --> 00:34:06.289 legs, you know, and if there's heat in it, you 00:34:06.289 --> 00:34:08.329 know, naturally there's something there, but 00:34:08.329 --> 00:34:10.969 they do everything they can to make sure the 00:34:10.969 --> 00:34:13.489 horses are ready. But just when it all comes 00:34:13.489 --> 00:34:16.550 down to it, the horse can't talk to them. Well, 00:34:16.550 --> 00:34:18.449 Lance, I got to say, I so appreciate your time 00:34:18.449 --> 00:34:21.190 today. If we get an opportunity to talk some 00:34:21.190 --> 00:34:25.610 more mystic Dan I'd certainly love to and This 00:34:25.610 --> 00:34:29.909 has just been fantastic Dan I really enjoyed 00:34:29.909 --> 00:34:32.570 being on your show and anytime you want to talk 00:34:32.570 --> 00:34:35.809 just give me a call and We'll have a little conversation 00:34:35.809 --> 00:34:39.110 Yeah, this has just been a thrill for the Dan 00:34:39.110 --> 00:34:42.809 time podcast I'm serious folks. This is I'm really 00:34:42.809 --> 00:34:45.570 hitting hitting a peak here with this episode 00:34:45.570 --> 00:34:50.280 because You just can't this is the stuff Sincerely 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.320 it's the stuff dreams are made of mystic Dan 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:56.340 I think it's got to be a lot of racing fans that 00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:59.179 find I'm sure this happens all the time Lance 00:34:59.179 --> 00:35:01.840 where people hear a horse's name and it reminds 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:05.239 them of their Grandmother reminds them of a of 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.840 a best friend or something like that. I bet I 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.019 bet you hear stories like that all the time. 00:35:11.059 --> 00:35:13.360 Oh Yeah, yeah, you know a lot of people, you 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.489 know go the race especially ladies, you know, 00:35:16.489 --> 00:35:18.030 they'll go to the races. Well, I just bet on 00:35:18.030 --> 00:35:20.889 this because of the name, you know, so you hear 00:35:20.889 --> 00:35:24.409 a lot of that. And and Mystic, but Mystic Dan 00:35:24.409 --> 00:35:27.030 certainly was not expected to win. And what a 00:35:27.030 --> 00:35:31.269 thrill it was that day at Churchill Downs. Absolutely. 00:35:31.409 --> 00:35:34.989 It was a unbelievable day, something we'll never 00:35:34.989 --> 00:35:37.449 forget. And, you know, for myself and my owners 00:35:37.449 --> 00:35:40.929 and my family, you know, I don't know if you 00:35:40.929 --> 00:35:44.329 know this, but it was even more so rewarding 00:35:44.329 --> 00:35:48.550 to Myself that that the day that mystic damn 00:35:48.550 --> 00:35:51.769 one was a year earlier. My dad passed away on 00:35:51.769 --> 00:35:57.269 that same day Yes, sir, and I meant to Bring 00:35:57.269 --> 00:35:59.269 that up here in our conversation if you got just 00:35:59.269 --> 00:36:01.829 a minute out since we're right off of Father's 00:36:01.829 --> 00:36:05.730 Day I want to give you an opportunity to Talk 00:36:05.730 --> 00:36:08.590 about your dad and what he meant to you and the 00:36:08.590 --> 00:36:14.460 bond that y 'all had Yeah dad, you know he got 00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:17.039 us into racing, I guess you would say. I mean, 00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.780 he liked to go the horse races, him and mom. 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.199 And dad loved the dog races as well over in West 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:29.000 Memphis. And I'll never forget the first race 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:32.119 that I ever bet on with dad back then. You know, 00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:35.860 in the 70s, they didn't have live racing like 00:36:35.860 --> 00:36:38.159 they do now on all these racing channels. All 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:40.179 they had was a 10 o 'clock news and they scrolled 00:36:40.179 --> 00:36:43.619 the results down on the TV. You'd see just the 00:36:43.619 --> 00:36:46.059 race results and scroll them on there. And dad 00:36:46.059 --> 00:36:48.900 had let us bet a horse once and put $2 to win 00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:51.519 on it, the horse won. And I remember we were 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:57.699 so excited to get home to get our $14. But that's 00:36:57.699 --> 00:37:00.199 kind of where we got started. And then dad, we'd 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.340 go the dog races together, of course, over at 00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:06.800 Oakland. And, you know, he loved it. And after 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.949 my brother got out, just my dad and I had bought 00:37:09.949 --> 00:37:12.510 some horses together and my brother just kind 00:37:12.510 --> 00:37:16.030 of got out. He's he's allergic to them so you 00:37:16.030 --> 00:37:17.889 know he couldn't enjoy the part of going to the 00:37:17.889 --> 00:37:20.070 barn and all that kind of stuff. The hay would 00:37:20.070 --> 00:37:24.449 get him all eyes all swole up and all. So my 00:37:24.449 --> 00:37:26.510 dad and I just kept doing it ourselves and we 00:37:26.510 --> 00:37:29.409 actually had a horse in 2020 named Wells Bayou 00:37:29.409 --> 00:37:32.250 that won the Louisiana Derby and we were the 00:37:32.250 --> 00:37:35.510 leader for points to go to the Kentucky Derby. 00:37:35.610 --> 00:37:39.619 But then the COVID hit And they delayed the Kentucky 00:37:39.619 --> 00:37:43.199 Derby till September, and we ran in the Arkansas 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.559 Derby and got hurt. So we didn't get to run a 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.579 Kentucky Derby then. So I've been blessed to 00:37:48.579 --> 00:37:51.880 have two horses that's actually qualified for 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.360 the Kentucky Derby. But Dad, he loved it. We 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.300 have another horse right now that's running named 00:37:59.300 --> 00:38:02.780 Gould's Gold. That's where my dad grew up in 00:38:02.780 --> 00:38:05.679 Gould, Arkansas. And actually we're gonna run 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:09.039 in the Ohio Derby Saturday. So y 'all go in and 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.639 watch the race up there There hey, there's another 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.099 one Goulds gold for people listening to this 00:38:16.099 --> 00:38:21.380 show Add him to your watch list. I Love this. 00:38:21.380 --> 00:38:23.679 I love this stuff and and you've got boys as 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.559 well. You have one or two sons. I Got two sons. 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.960 Mm -hmm Well, happy Father's Day Lance. I hope 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.440 you all had a great day yesterday We did and 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:36.739 I appreciate it. Happy Father's Day to all the 00:38:36.739 --> 00:38:41.179 fathers out there. And y 'all have a great rest 00:38:41.179 --> 00:38:45.360 of the week and here's to Mystic Dan and thanks 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.500 so much to Lance for making time to do this and 00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:52.440 wish y 'all nothing but success. Thank you, Dan. 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:55.860 Thanks for having us on. We appreciate it. Okay. 00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:57.900 Y 'all have a great week and we'll see you next 00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:00.579 Sunday on the Dan Time Podcast.