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Welcome to episode number 26 of the Dan Time

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podcast. I am your host, Dan McCardle. Thanks

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for plugging some Dan Time into your morning,

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your evening, your drive time, your daily run,

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however you consume this show. I appreciate you,

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my friend, and I don't care what they say about

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you. You're all right with me. I hope you checked

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out last week's episode with San Francisco based

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indie pop singer songwriter, Daniela Galasso.

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I love what Daniela is doing. The message that

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she's putting out there with her current single,

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Wait, about unconditional love and her unique

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style and substance in her song catalog. If let's

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say you or someone you love or like or work with

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is a Taylor Swift fan, tell them about Daniela

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Galasso. Also If you like the Breakfast Club

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movie or the soundtrack, listen to Daniela's

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cover of Don't You Forget About Me. I was really

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impressed with Dani and I can't wait to see what

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she's got coming out next. Remember, you can

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follow Daniela at SoundsLikeDani .com and at

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SoundsLikeDani on social media. What do you think

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when you hear about a tribute band? Now, depending

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on where you live, you may have gone out one

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night to see a Nirvana tribute act, maybe Fleetwood

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Mac, Van Halen, The Beatles, Bob Marley, just

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naming a few. Who are some of the best ones you've

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seen? Or have you ever been blown away by one

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of these performers? How have you felt when you

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saw a tribute band for, let's say, your all -time

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favorite band? Did they stack up? Well, my favorite

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band since I was 16 years old is Metallica. So

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the good thing about being a fan of a long -established

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chart -topping powerhouse, there's probably a

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tribute band out there trying to represent them

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in a live setting. However, it's not often you

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find a group of musicians who actually claim

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to be a note -for -note album quality version

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of the band, let alone back it up night after

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night, year after year. That is exactly what

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the Four Horsemen are doing and have been doing

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for the past 17 years. Comprised of founding

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member Sean Perry on vocals and rhythm guitar,

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Drew Pencook on drums, Luke Kunkel on lead guitar,

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and Alec Wolf on bass, the Four Horsemen are

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billed as quote, the only album quality Metallica

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tribute band on the planet. My guest today is

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Sean Perry. Sean answers the question, why? Why

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would you choose to do this? Why go out there

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and perform someone else's songs? The episode

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you're about to hear was recorded Friday, January

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26th, backstage at Vinyl Music Hall here in Pensacola,

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Florida. I met with Sean shortly after sound

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check and, you know, you never know what to expect

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in these situations. This was the first time

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we'd met. So he could have said, listen, I got

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five minutes. I got eight minutes exactly. And

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then we kind of wrap it up. Uh, or it could have

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gone completely different, which it did. So Sean

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said, Hey, come on, follow me. We took an, took

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an elevator upstairs and sat down, shot the breeze

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for a few minutes. And I realized this is just

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a regular guy who has a very unique talent and

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drive to do this despite all obstacles. And we'll

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get to some of those in this episode. As you

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start to understand. those can really multiply

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the obstacles for any touring band. His back

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was really giving him trouble from an unplanned

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accident trying to hoist his lead guitarist,

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as I understand it, a couple weeks prior. And

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that was very apparent. He was in some pain.

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And they were in Akron, Ohio the day before.

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Here they are on the Gulf Coast of Florida. And

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after they play that night, they're heading 11

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or 12 hours to the colony, Texas. to play the

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following night. And I'd seen their performance

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two years ago at this venue, so I knew what they

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promised, and I had witnessed them deliver on

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that promise. And I'm thinking, in this obvious

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pain, how is he about to get up on stage in a

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couple hours and kick it into high gear again?

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How? Sean struck me as a guy who treats the moment

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with a lot of respect. He's present. If he's

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talking to you for these few minutes or these

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couple hours, that's what he's doing. That's

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what he's doing. And he gives his full attention.

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And as you're about to see, I did not anticipate

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how powerful our conversation was going to be.

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Sean shares a story with me about his troubled

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childhood, never before shared in public. His

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story is going to leave a mark on you. So I got

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to give a shout here to the whole band. Drew

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is just a monster behind the kit. Sean was telling

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me about him before the episode, how he is meticulous

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in picking out even the smallest details in these

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songs. He was simply incredible on the opener

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of Disposable Heroes, and you could hear the

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crowd reacting to his thundering double bass.

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Luke and Alec, their playing was spectacular.

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Luke's solos, my gosh, but... The fun that those

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guys have on stage goofing around with each other,

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you could see it. They're running around swapping

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mic positions. Luke just looking like he's having

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the time of his life and really connecting with

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the audience. It was something very special to

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behold. At one point you could see a dad holding

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up his young daughter so she could see the guys

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during one of the songs. She must have been six,

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seven, eight years old. I could tell during the

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song that Sean got a big kick out of it and he

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said something to the dad and the little girl

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after the song. He talks about in this episode

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how special it is for him to recognize the kids

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who come to these shows and to take pictures

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with them, take time out with them and make memories

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for them. He was all about making it a fun and

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special night for everyone there, which it was.

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Whether you're a Metallica fan like me or you're

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not really into this style of music But you want

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to hear about a guy who's been all the way down

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and all the way out and Climbed his way back.

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You're in the right place folks from the four

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horsemen the world's only album quality tribute

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to Metallica it is Sean Perry time Sean thank

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you so much for your time tonight to make an

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appearance here You're out on the road non -stop

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taking this Probably in some cases to the unsuspecting

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masses. They don't often see a tribute act. It

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is truly worth their salt Before I continue rambling

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just thanks for being here. Thanks for appearing

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on the podcast. You're welcome It's a pleasure

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to talk with you guys and you know It is something

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that you put a lot of labor into. It's a labor

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of love. Like a lot of guys would probably tell

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you that are out there on the road. I mean, we

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get all walks of people that come to our shows

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and a lot of people are like, why would you do

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someone else's music? And I'm like, well, because

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I used to be a person who would go to Metallica

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tribute shows and Motley Crue shows, all these

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cheaper, much, much cheaper shows that go see

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a tribute. And I got... upset because the music

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wasn't being played properly and it was one of

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those things where I, you know, I'm a musician

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myself. I put three albums out when I was in

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my 20s and after that I just kind of laid back

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in the scene and would just watch other bands

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do their thing and I was like just not very happy

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with it and I was like, you know, maybe I could

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do something like this and so 2007 I started

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and now when people ask me why I do it I said

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because it's bigger than me. It's spreading joy.

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People want Need joy in their lives and a lot

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of people go to entertainment of some form or

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another movies music Plays whatever, you know,

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and and so That's what I feel. I am. I'm just

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an entertainer that's spreading joy So I'm gonna

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keep going and we're gonna keep building and

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make it I mean, it's pretty big now But there's

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a lot of things in the works now that this year

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is gonna be a big transitional year for us So

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we're pretty excited Well, I'm really excited

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for you. I saw you once before in 2022 And a

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few years prior, I saw a Metallica tribute band.

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I won't say where and I won't mention their names,

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but some of my listeners can relate to this if

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you've gone to see a tribute performance for

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any band. And it's just a fun night. You know,

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at best it's just you had a good time. Oh, that

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was fun seeing somebody do their spin on your

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favorite songs. And so that's all it was. And

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it was... maybe even a little underwhelming,

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but I just didn't sulk on it too much. When I

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saw The Four Horsemen, which I probably didn't

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even say Sean Perry, the lead vocalist and guitarist

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for The Four Horsemen, the only album quality

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Metallica tribute, you guys blew me away. I read

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about what you did, what you do before I went

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to the show and I thought, okay, I'm in, I'm

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in. If they're going to proclaim this, I have

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to go. This is my favorite band. and you just

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blew the roof off the place. And I'm just so

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thrilled that you're dedicated to your craft

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after all these years. And like you were saying,

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and like I talk about on this podcast, whatever

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you're out there doing, I think we all have a

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responsibility if we can to use our talents to

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help other people, to maybe be relatable to other

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people, to bring joy. There are things about

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heavy metal music that it doesn't click with

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everybody. Some people can't get into the sound,

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the volume, uh, the lyrical content in some,

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in some cases, but man, it works for a lot of

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us and I'm, I'm one included. It has spoken to

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people and it's helped people through some very

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difficult times. And for you guys to go note

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for note on some of these songs, you're really

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out there changing lives because you're playing

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fade to black. You're playing sanitarium. Even

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songs like Battery have special meanings to people

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and that's got to bring you great joy. Yeah,

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I mean a lot of these songs, you don't know which

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song is going to relate to who how. When I was

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a kid, I was a big ACDC guy. Just hard rock really

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sung to me. Nazareth was another kind of Brian

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Johnson style vocal before. He was even doing

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it in ACDC and I was just, I couldn't believe,

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you know, Hair of the Dog and Beggar's Day, Whiskey

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Drinking Woman. I was like, I love that raspy,

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growly voice and stuff. So when I heard ACDC,

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I just, it was a magnet. You know, I had to get

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the albums and all that. And then one of my friends

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was walking down the street one day blasting

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Sanitarium and I didn't know what it was. I was

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up in my attic drawing some pictures and I ran

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downstairs and I'm screaming at him because he

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had a big boombox next to his ear while he's

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walking in the middle of my mosque street, right?

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And I'm like, dude, stop, stop, stop. He finally

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stopped. I'm like, what is that? He's like, it's

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in Metallica. And I'm like, I don't even know

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what Metallica is, dude. But can I borrow your

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cassette? Because I've got a high speed dub recorder.

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And he's like, no, get your own, you know. And

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he walks off and I'm like, I don't even know

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the name of the song because I didn't know it

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was Santerium at the time. I just heard the song

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that one. And I was like. Okay, so all I know

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is it's Metallica. I don't know the name of the

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song. I don't know the name of the album. So

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I had to go to the store and by process of elimination

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buying different ones when I had enough money

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to go back and get another one, you know, I found

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that song and I was like, wow, this really changed

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the ballgame for me. But in the meantime, I started

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learning about Creeping Death and, you know,

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Metal Militia off of Kill 'em All is just like

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these really crazy songs. I'm like, nobody's

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playing like this. This is... this is new, this

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is totally groundbreaking stuff for when we were

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kids. There was no internet, there weren't even

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any pagers. God, I remember my mom got a freaking

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microwave and it was like a thousand dollars.

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So there was no way to get that music back unless

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somebody had it on a tape or a record. And that's

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how I started discovering things and it totally

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changed my mindset. So my father was a drummer

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and a singer. And he always told me, he says,

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if you ever are lucky enough to get in the band

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and you go out and you actually perform for people

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and you expect to be paid, don't ever half -ass

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it. You give it everything you've got because

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they paid and those people deserve to be entertained

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for their money. I don't care if it's five bucks.

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So I've always kept that in me, that don't ever

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let down the audience. Give it everything you've

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got, like... I've played with a broken foot.

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I've played when I've been kicked out of my own

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house. I have played when my fiance left me the

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night before. I have played with the flu. And

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tonight I'll be playing with an extremely sore

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back because I heard it being stupid 12 days

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ago and it still hasn't healed. But you do what

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you have to do because I'm not going to cancel

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the show. These people have waited. They have

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anticipated. They are excited. I see it on our

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Facebook, Instagram, all that stuff. And they're

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just like, I can't wait for you guys to come

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down. I'm like, OK. Had a flat tire twice today.

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Had to go to Home Depot or Lowe's and get myself

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one of them little cobalt air compressors. I'm

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like, we're not missing this fucking show. I

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don't care. We were an hour late to get here.

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And I'm like, I don't care. We're going to make

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it happen. Tomorrow we got to drive. Well, tonight

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we have to drive over 10 hours to get to the

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colony, Texas, for tomorrow's show. And we're

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going to fucking do it because people need it.

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people want it they expect it and when you see

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that joy out there when you see people singing

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along I don't care if it's my music or if it's

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someone else's if you're an entertainer and you

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see that joy out there it just warms your heart

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and it's like this is bigger than me I have to

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do this they they need it we need it you know

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it's therapy for all of us you know I came from

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a very broken home very I'll just call it abusive

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and um Back then, there was no social workers.

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There was no number to call if you were having

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problems with the beatings and all that shit.

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You just dealt with it, right? And so I was a

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real screwed up kid and music was my escape.

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And I was very poor all the way through my 30s.

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So I barely ever got to go to a show. But when

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I got to go to the show, it was everything to

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me. So I remember... how I felt when I got to

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go to the show. And that's what I tell myself.

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Those people out there might need this, and it

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might be the only show they could afford this

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month. You get your ass there and you give them

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everything you got. That's my philosophy. Beautifully

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spoken there. You talk about Pensacola, Florida.

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There are people who live in this area. They

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work hard every day. Some of them might be working

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six days a week, so it's not quite possible to

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go to Atlanta. and see Metallica, may not be

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in the budget to go to New Orleans and see Metallica

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as much as they'd want to, or even people like

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me who I have seen Metallica play before. I don't

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feel like I need to go see the band to be fulfilled

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again. I've seen them a lot. And I think what

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you're bringing to people, like you said, is

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that anticipation, that joy, people listening

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to this. It's one thing about what critics say

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but go to the Facebook page for the venue in

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your town that The Four Horsemen are playing

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in a few weeks and just see what people are commenting

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you can look at the vinyl music halls page and

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so yeah, you're providing this outlet and Man

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going to live Concerts, it's all about a feeling

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and an emotion. So if you spent 20 to 40 Or 50

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bucks, you know, you had a couple drinks or something

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and you had a good time and you ate downtown

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You really might go back home with the same thrill

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that you had if you spent and I don't I don't

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want to discourage anybody from seeing Metallica

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if it's in the bank for you, but man I had such

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a Such a phenomenal time two years ago seeing

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the four horsemen and it's because of the dedication

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to excellence as they describe on their website

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that they're just not gonna sell it short. They're

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not gonna let anything stop them from getting

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to these gigs and whatever the day's been like.

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Like you said, I can't believe the fiance situation

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and you're still up there playing the songs and

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to keep the guys together and to have the buy

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-in from everybody in the band. It's definitely

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hard when you have three, four other personalities

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that you deal with. And sometimes, I mean, today

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we were Testing each other's nervous, you know,

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because things were going wrong and it's not

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just here There's you know, we all have home

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lives as well and there's things that go wrong

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at home and then sometimes you can't Compartmentalize

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it and it comes out on the road even you know

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Today was one of them days where it's like everything

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is going wrong with I got to get to this show

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and then there was things going on at home with

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another member and it's like alright, you know

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where we got to get back to what we're supposed

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to be doing here, but The dedication to it is,

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like I said, you know, you've got people out

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there that want to be entertained and they don't

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just want and expect it, they paid for it. I

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don't want people to go home disappointed and

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I want to hear, you know, if I go to a Metallica

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show, I've only seen Metallica in 91 when they

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were on the Black Album Tour, right? Richfield

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Coliseum, I think it was November 91. I was,

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God, like 16 years old or something like that.

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And it was incredible. I couldn't believe what

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I saw. James was spittin' and drinkin' beer and

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spittin' the beer out at the people and motherfuckers

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and everything. And I was like, wow, these guys

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are still, even at the, that album was pinnacle

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for them, right? They went from selling like

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500 to 750 ,000 copies to 12 million when that

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album came out. It changed the game. They blew

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Def Leppard off the stage, Tesla, all of the

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Motley Crue, all the bands got just decimated

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in their wake when the Black Album came out.

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So they established themselves as like a legend

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basically. It's like watching Elton John or the

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Beatles or Led Zeppelin, right? They got that

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status in 91 and I got to see them live in 91

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and it was... piss and vinegar and I was like

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if that's when I wrote my three albums I played

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like that on stage just angry pissed off and

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I wasn't angry at people it's just you give people

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that energy of a metal show If Garth Brooks did

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that, it would be like, weird. Like, what are

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you doing? Brad Paisley is over here giving demon

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eyes at his fans while he's singing about losing

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his truck and his car and his wife and his house.

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It doesn't convey well with a country or any

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other field, but metal, you can do that. And

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people understand and they give you those horns.

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I've had crowds just flipping us off all night,

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but it was a respect. You know, it was like the

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F -U type of thing that metal people have. And

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I thought some of these people were mad, but

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then I see them clapping and whistling after

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the shows. I'm like, all right, they're having

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fun. This is just our metal community, a bunch

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of brothers and sisters getting together and

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having the camaraderie, the energy that happens

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when you're at a really fun show. So that, you

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know, you try to remember that stuff. Because

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like I said before, I'm very poor. throughout

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my 30s. I cut all my hair off and went back to

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school. I put my guitar away for years because

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I wanted to eat. It was that bad that I lost

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my house. I lost a car. I lost a fiance at that

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point. It was just a bad, bad situation. So I

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just said, music is not going to work. I need

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something else. So I went back to school, got

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an IT degree, and blah, blah, blah. This band

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approached me about they lost their singer. and

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you know could I sing and play guitar and I said

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well yeah I used to be in this band in Cleveland

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and they said oh my god you're that's your band

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I'm like yeah and like we have all your albums

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like oh my god really what a small world so I

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said yeah you know maybe I could do this on the

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side and then it just that itch you know I seen

00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:10.660
the people just phenomenal energy out in the

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crowd I was like this is a passion Doing IT is

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great. It changed my life. It taught me how to

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work a business, build a business, right? Because

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I actually formed my own company. And I did that

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for like, oh god, a dozen years. Made a lot more

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money than I do in the music industry, I can

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tell you that. But the passion wasn't there.

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Yeah, I'm good at fixing servers and emails and

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all the crap that goes with working on a domain

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system for Microsoft networks, but... There's

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no passion with that. When I'm out here and we're

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playing and the people are out there having fun,

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I'm like, this is why I wake up in the morning.

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This is what I'm supposed to do. Sometimes it's

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not always about the money. People think, oh

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man, you're a rock star and all this crap. And

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I'm like, I'm just like anybody else, man. My

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back hurts, my feet hurt. Sometimes things go

00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:05.740
sideways in your life and you get problems, car

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trouble. house trouble, women trouble, whatever,

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you know? We're still human beings. You only

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see one aspect. You see us on the stage. But,

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you know, when you talk with somebody like this

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on the sit down and you get to, you know, before

00:22:19.660 --> 00:22:21.240
the tape is running, you get to hear a little

00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:23.299
bit of the life and you're like, oh, yeah, he

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is kind of like, like me, you know? We all are.

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We all are. And I don't, I'll never be snotty.

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I'll never put my nose up. I'm very friendly

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at the end of the shows. We always try to shake

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hands, take pictures, give hugs. I love seeing

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the little kids in the audience. You know, I'll

00:22:38.299 --> 00:22:40.279
throw a pick at them or a little verse band thing

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or something and just try and make it special

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for them because they're the future of music.

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You know, they're the future of everything. And

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I want them to remember because I went to Metallica

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when I was 16. They have no idea that I even

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existed. When I see kids in our audience, I make

00:22:55.500 --> 00:22:58.319
a point to point at them, to say hello to them,

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wave to them while we're playing and make them

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smile. So I love that, and I don't have kids

00:23:02.410 --> 00:23:05.009
of my own, but I thought, man, that's a cool

00:23:05.009 --> 00:23:07.589
dad or a cool mom to bring their kid out to a

00:23:07.589 --> 00:23:11.269
Metallica show, because I'm swearing. It's a

00:23:11.269 --> 00:23:13.349
good time, though. Everybody understands. I've

00:23:13.349 --> 00:23:14.650
never had a parent come up to me and say, you

00:23:14.650 --> 00:23:16.430
need to clean up your act. I'm like, no, they

00:23:16.430 --> 00:23:18.970
understand. They're bringing their kid to a 1980s

00:23:18.970 --> 00:23:21.529
Metallica experience, so we have fun with it.

00:23:22.589 --> 00:23:25.309
Yeah, and so I was listening a little bit to

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the Stand up and shout podcast episode that you

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appeared on and one thing you said about You

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know, everyone's kind of plugged into their phones.

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They're Saying hey, man, you're talking to your

00:23:37.190 --> 00:23:39.410
friend watch this video of this band that I love

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you You're gonna love this performance and you

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show it to your friend or you watch something

00:23:43.630 --> 00:23:46.069
and you're like, yeah, it looks pretty cool Let

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me tell you something and you expressed it better

00:23:47.789 --> 00:23:51.190
than I am right now when you're watching The

00:23:51.190 --> 00:23:53.970
four horsemen a clip on YouTube. I mean that

00:23:53.970 --> 00:23:58.359
gives you a little preview There is nothing like

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coming to the venue, hopefully they're hitting

00:24:01.180 --> 00:24:06.000
a town near you and just feeling the Marshall

00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:09.019
stack. And those kids, when you see the look

00:24:09.019 --> 00:24:11.700
on their face, they've never felt this power

00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:13.980
and heard these Metallica songs that they've

00:24:13.980 --> 00:24:17.119
been, you know, I remember being 16 and stuff

00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:20.420
like Whiplash was only one or two years new to

00:24:20.420 --> 00:24:23.599
me. And I was just, I mean, it was just like

00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:28.819
changing It was just such a big deal, but when

00:24:28.819 --> 00:24:31.700
you hear it live Yeah, that's the thing like

00:24:31.700 --> 00:24:36.000
you you can watch any band on YouTube and it

00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.799
is so one -dimensional There's no energy coming

00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:41.539
off of that monitor or your little phone or your

00:24:41.539 --> 00:24:43.599
tablet whatever it is and I tell people Mike

00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:48.299
if you're sitting at your house eating some nachos

00:24:48.299 --> 00:24:50.259
and you're getting crumbs on your shirt watching

00:24:50.259 --> 00:24:52.000
your little phone and you're watching the next

00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.359
big act on the phone you're not jumping up and

00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.019
down like wow you're not clapping you're not

00:24:57.019 --> 00:24:59.779
cheering because there's no energy sitting at

00:24:59.779 --> 00:25:03.099
home watching your phone have life while you

00:25:03.099 --> 00:25:06.660
have no life i love that people are getting out

00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:09.019
to the shows again people are starting to get

00:25:09.019 --> 00:25:12.579
off of these stupid digital enslaving machines

00:25:13.230 --> 00:25:17.069
Come out to a real show and they're like my god

00:25:17.069 --> 00:25:20.329
I saw you on YouTube and it's nothing like what

00:25:20.329 --> 00:25:23.390
it's like to be in your audience and I said because

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Most of those YouTube videos are cell phone.

00:25:27.109 --> 00:25:28.690
They're one dimensional You're not getting the

00:25:28.690 --> 00:25:31.890
full spectrum of audio for one even our own promo.

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I've spent over $12 ,000 making that those there's

00:25:35.390 --> 00:25:39.690
some professional audio video on our YouTube

00:25:39.690 --> 00:25:43.599
page promo stuff right there's a master puppets

00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.099
song the full one there's a fight fire with fire

00:25:46.099 --> 00:25:48.220
full one and there's a couple little two -minute

00:25:48.220 --> 00:25:51.460
promo thingies whatever they don't even convey

00:25:51.460 --> 00:25:54.279
I mean it's nice it's kind of exciting to watch

00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:56.019
those because there's a lot of different camera

00:25:56.019 --> 00:25:58.740
angles and whatnot but If you're not in that

00:25:58.740 --> 00:26:01.259
audience, you're still not getting the full monty

00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:03.319
of what it's like to actually stand there and

00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:05.299
feel the electricity coming through your toes

00:26:05.299 --> 00:26:08.519
all the way out the follicles on your head. It's

00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:10.380
electrifying to be in the audience. And I've

00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:13.140
had so many people tell me, I saw you on YouTube,

00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:15.359
but this is, oh my God, it's like, it doesn't

00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:17.480
even compare. And I'm like, that's right. Remember

00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:21.140
the feeling of being in a live setting, no matter

00:26:21.140 --> 00:26:23.480
what band. I'm not talking like it's just my

00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.220
band. It's any band. Go out. People, whoever's

00:26:27.220 --> 00:26:30.039
listening to this now, live your life. Not on

00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.440
a phone, not on a tablet, not on a PC. Get out

00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.539
and really smell those flowers. Really go out

00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:39.460
and have that bike ride or the jog or whatever.

00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:44.039
Don't do the peloton. Go out and live your actual

00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:48.119
life. It's so amazing to get out and see the

00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:50.839
sun and actually feel the heat on your body rather

00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.599
than watching it on a movie. You know? Anything

00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:55.779
in life. you ever go to lunch when you're on

00:26:55.779 --> 00:26:57.940
the road and you see like that old guy that's

00:26:57.940 --> 00:27:01.200
he's in his 70s or 80s maybe and he's just sitting

00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.859
there eating his lunch looking at the scenery

00:27:03.859 --> 00:27:07.000
looking out the window he's not conditioned to

00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:10.559
using cell phones he never will and i ask like

00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.059
my brother and some buddies i'm like guys are

00:27:13.059 --> 00:27:15.480
we going to be cradling these these devices when

00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:21.369
we're like old Back next neck muscles ever right

00:27:21.369 --> 00:27:23.150
and then the rest of your body will be falling

00:27:23.150 --> 00:27:28.670
apart except your thumbs But but you're right,

00:27:28.670 --> 00:27:32.450
I mean just the concert experience When you when

00:27:32.450 --> 00:27:35.269
you go to a show and especially an intimate club

00:27:35.269 --> 00:27:38.650
setting, this is my favorite venue The favorite

00:27:38.650 --> 00:27:41.650
type of venue and you're just around other people

00:27:41.650 --> 00:27:44.529
and you're you're seeing something like two guys

00:27:44.529 --> 00:27:47.490
that are clearly Good buddies and they're looking

00:27:47.490 --> 00:27:49.829
at each other with these huge grins on their

00:27:49.829 --> 00:27:52.930
faces as seek and destroy like the opening chords

00:27:52.930 --> 00:27:55.890
of seek and destroy are blasting to the speakers

00:27:55.890 --> 00:27:59.630
or you know, you just you're Looking at the t

00:27:59.630 --> 00:28:01.670
-shirts the way that other people are moving

00:28:01.670 --> 00:28:04.490
around Like you said, you don't get that just

00:28:04.490 --> 00:28:09.450
taking this on You'll never feel that at home

00:28:09.450 --> 00:28:13.670
I don't care You could be your favorite all -time

00:28:13.670 --> 00:28:16.049
band it could be Paul McCartney like my manager

00:28:16.049 --> 00:28:18.990
his favorite all -time Musician is Paul McCartney

00:28:18.990 --> 00:28:21.430
you put Paul McCartney on YouTube or you put

00:28:21.430 --> 00:28:23.170
Paul McCartney right in front of him and watch

00:28:23.170 --> 00:28:25.849
the different reactions It's it's very it's night

00:28:25.849 --> 00:28:28.470
and day and it should be and that's why I tell

00:28:28.470 --> 00:28:31.319
people get out take your kids out get them off

00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.599
the Nintendo and whatever else. These stupid

00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:35.380
games, all they're doing is wasting their time.

00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:36.839
They could be learning something. They could

00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.380
be out exploring life like when we were kids.

00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.700
You know, you go out and you come back when the

00:28:42.700 --> 00:28:45.819
streetlights came on. That's the kind of society

00:28:45.819 --> 00:28:48.400
that we all should get back into. Enjoy your

00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:50.160
life. Don't watch somebody else play a video

00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:54.400
game like these YouTube gamer people. I know

00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.920
young kids who actually just sit on YouTube watching

00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.400
someone else play a video game. And I'm like,

00:28:59.420 --> 00:29:02.029
that's insane. You are absolutely wasting your

00:29:02.029 --> 00:29:04.069
life. You could be doing something with your

00:29:04.069 --> 00:29:05.630
life. I don't care if it's learning how to build

00:29:05.630 --> 00:29:08.849
a freaking fire in the Boy Scouts. Go do something

00:29:08.849 --> 00:29:11.650
actually real that you're benefiting from. Oh,

00:29:11.650 --> 00:29:14.970
but I like watching that. I'm like, yeah. You're

00:29:14.970 --> 00:29:17.750
also working your way towards diabetes, drinking

00:29:17.750 --> 00:29:21.250
your, you know, your cokes and your muffins and

00:29:21.250 --> 00:29:23.730
your cakes and candies and while you watch it

00:29:23.730 --> 00:29:26.529
every day, get out, get some exercise, you know.

00:29:26.589 --> 00:29:28.869
Just live your life. Get out there and do what?

00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.400
you know, do the things that we all should be

00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.440
doing. We're human beings. We are not a wall.

00:29:33.460 --> 00:29:36.539
We're not a chair. We shouldn't be immobile all

00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:38.759
day on these stupid phones and whatnot. So you're

00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.859
right. I don't want to be one of those guys that

00:29:41.859 --> 00:29:46.019
goes to the grave looking down because I'm always

00:29:46.019 --> 00:29:48.019
on my stupid little tablet or whatever, right?

00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:51.019
So it's like, I love traveling like this. I hate

00:29:51.019 --> 00:29:55.740
the drives. The drives can be a pain, but I love

00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:59.049
traveling around and hearing People's stories

00:29:59.049 --> 00:30:00.509
like some people come up to us and they want

00:30:00.509 --> 00:30:02.289
to tell us about the first time they ever saw

00:30:02.289 --> 00:30:05.589
Metallica or they say hey This is my eight -year

00:30:05.589 --> 00:30:08.910
-old son. It's his first Metallica concert And

00:30:08.910 --> 00:30:11.990
then that you got me like I'm I'm butter on a

00:30:11.990 --> 00:30:14.170
freaking frying pan at that point So I kneel

00:30:14.170 --> 00:30:15.710
down and I'm like dude, you know, what's your

00:30:15.710 --> 00:30:18.049
favorite song? What's your name? Did you have

00:30:18.049 --> 00:30:20.430
fun tonight and we get pictures with them? You

00:30:20.430 --> 00:30:22.769
know I and a lot of times if you bring your kid

00:30:22.769 --> 00:30:25.049
up to me and I have a beer in my hand And you

00:30:25.049 --> 00:30:28.160
want a picture your kids holding my beer And

00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.660
I want you to show that to his friends. And they're

00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:33.700
like, one of my fun things that I do for, because

00:30:33.700 --> 00:30:35.279
a lot of dads will bring their kids, right? I'm

00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.740
like, oh, I'm gonna bring my kid, right? And

00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:40.380
so I say, well, here, hold my beer. And we take

00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:43.039
a picture. And I said, now, when you go home,

00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:44.799
your mom's gonna get pissed that you're drinking

00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:46.359
beer. And you just tell her, say, Mom, I didn't

00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:51.440
have any beer. I only did shots. I love to have

00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:52.980
fun with the kids, though. I love seeing the

00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:56.180
kids. They're great. Man, you guys have been

00:30:56.180 --> 00:30:59.539
all over all over the map here, Baltimore, Buffalo,

00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.819
Illinois, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, recently

00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:04.980
been in Cleveland, I mean just a couple nights

00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:08.519
ago, or a couple weeks ago, New Orleans, and

00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.440
here we are, Pensacola, back on the road. But

00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:14.200
like you said, these encounters probably make

00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.319
it all worth it. And I did mention at the top

00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.539
of the episode, but you guys are what you call

00:31:20.539 --> 00:31:25.519
a black and back tribute. And I love that where

00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.720
you don't keep it so open -ended that you have

00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.420
people saying well, why didn't you play? Now

00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:34.880
that we're dead why why I love you know my apocalypse

00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:37.220
you guys should definitely play that one So I

00:31:37.220 --> 00:31:39.680
think you made the right call and it really that's

00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:42.819
what most people probably want to hear I think

00:31:42.819 --> 00:31:45.460
that you're getting some of those Load reload

00:31:45.460 --> 00:31:47.920
error requests and there's some pretty good songs

00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:50.640
a couple good cuts in those albums. Um, how is

00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:55.029
that evolving? Are you guys? Yeah, you're right

00:31:55.029 --> 00:31:58.130
the black and black format was something that

00:31:58.130 --> 00:32:02.829
I coined probably in 2009 or 10 because when

00:32:02.829 --> 00:32:06.190
the band the original lineup of people that wanted

00:32:06.190 --> 00:32:09.289
me to do this they're long gone from now, but

00:32:09.289 --> 00:32:13.369
I Told them I said I only like these five albums

00:32:13.369 --> 00:32:17.789
and it's no disrespect at the time that People

00:32:17.789 --> 00:32:21.470
have to understand like I was 16 when the black

00:32:21.470 --> 00:32:23.990
album came out, right? And before the Black Album,

00:32:24.069 --> 00:32:27.869
it was just thrash metal. I abandoned all hope

00:32:27.869 --> 00:32:32.990
for radio. Like radio was blasphemy to me. I

00:32:32.990 --> 00:32:35.690
was like, no, I know what, I like Scorpions,

00:32:35.829 --> 00:32:37.670
I like Boston, I like Journey, all that stuff,

00:32:37.809 --> 00:32:41.509
right? But it was like, now there's thrash metal

00:32:41.509 --> 00:32:44.789
in my blood and I need to seek out more bands

00:32:44.789 --> 00:32:48.569
that do this. So I was on a tear. Like you, I

00:32:48.569 --> 00:32:51.670
have to find this. So when the Black Album came

00:32:51.670 --> 00:32:55.299
out, It was marketed heavily as you know, this

00:32:55.299 --> 00:32:57.480
is gonna be the pinnacle of Metallica type of

00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:02.920
release and it was it was heavy hard rock I wanted

00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:07.180
thrash. I still liked it because every song still

00:33:07.180 --> 00:33:10.779
had an element of that pissiness that that grit

00:33:10.779 --> 00:33:15.140
right it they still had We're still Metallica

00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:17.240
type of attitude right and I was like, okay.

00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.039
I I do like this album. I really do but It wasn't

00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:25.480
until 1996 that they released Load and Lars was

00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:29.700
out there marketing this as the heaviest album

00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:33.900
Metallica has ever put out to date would be this

00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:36.559
next album Load and I was hyped. I'm like, you

00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.140
know what? The day that hits the shelves, I'm

00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:42.079
in the record store and I'm getting me a CD.

00:33:42.639 --> 00:33:45.380
because I had just gotten a five carousel disc

00:33:45.380 --> 00:33:47.519
changer, right? And I'm like, okay, now I have

00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:51.640
to replace all my cassettes with CDs. And so

00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.200
I was like, all right, the date came. I was not

00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:56.779
a radio listener. And people are like, well,

00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.079
how did you not know? They were playing tracks

00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.299
on the radio. I'm like, the radio was garbage

00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:04.680
to me. I did not have a radio. I had a CD player.

00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.840
I heard that Metallica was releasing load. I'm

00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:11.619
like, this is my band. I'm getting this album

00:34:11.619 --> 00:34:15.079
I grabbed the album. I popped it in and as a

00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.119
21 year old still Coursing with thrash in his

00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.920
veins. I was like, oh can't wait to rip the cellophane

00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:23.880
off this and get this in my player put it in

00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:26.260
the player and I think I don't know if it was

00:34:26.260 --> 00:34:28.440
ain't my bitch I think was like the first song

00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.559
right and I'm listening to this and I'm like

00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:33.639
he's like ain't my bitch. Ah, and I was like

00:34:34.319 --> 00:34:39.519
What was that? His vocals sounded almost country

00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:42.699
twangy, right? So I'm like, okay, that may just

00:34:42.699 --> 00:34:46.059
been an offshoot. Keep going. And I'm listening

00:34:46.059 --> 00:34:49.460
to the song and I'm like, this format is totally

00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:52.579
different. Is this not thrash? I thought he said

00:34:52.579 --> 00:34:54.800
this was going to be the heaviest album to date.

00:34:55.260 --> 00:34:57.480
So I skipped forward on the next song and then

00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:58.840
I skipped forward on the next song and I skipped

00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.320
forward on the next song and I'm like, oh my

00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.699
God. This is not what I was expecting and I got,

00:35:06.099 --> 00:35:09.239
now remember I was 21 at the time. I was pissed,

00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:11.980
I opened the carousel, I took the CD, I whipped

00:35:11.980 --> 00:35:15.280
it across the room. I was in my basement and

00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:20.239
it hit a pole and it shattered. And then my birthday.

00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.760
My brother brought the cassette over for my birthday

00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.179
and he said, Hey, I bought you in the new Metallica.

00:35:26.179 --> 00:35:29.000
And I said, take it with you or it'll end up

00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.000
like my CD. And he said, what do you mean? I

00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:34.840
said, have you heard it? That's not thrash. And

00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:39.320
I was upset. Now I'm in my forties now and I

00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.340
understand bands change. James has said, we're

00:35:42.340 --> 00:35:44.780
not going to write the same damn song for 40

00:35:44.780 --> 00:35:47.659
years. I understand that now. but you couldn't

00:35:47.659 --> 00:35:50.500
explain that to a 21 -year -old me. I was pissed.

00:35:50.980 --> 00:35:55.360
So I said, screw this, I'm done. So, Black and

00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.019
Back became my fight song. Black and Back became

00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:02.739
what I, like when you say you're a Metallica

00:36:02.739 --> 00:36:04.599
fan, I'm like, oh yeah, what do you like? Like

00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:08.139
one, Enter Sandman. Because we were like, We

00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:10.619
like Motor Breath and you probably don't even

00:36:10.619 --> 00:36:12.480
know what album that's on, right? You know, we

00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.500
were like, you're a poser, especially if it was

00:36:15.500 --> 00:36:21.099
chicks. So we had a Metallica fan base, kind

00:36:21.099 --> 00:36:25.480
of like it became a snake's tongue where we had

00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:27.519
that fork in the road, you know, and I was like,

00:36:27.579 --> 00:36:30.199
dad, I'm thrash. And all these other guys are

00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:36.150
posers. But you get kids from that time. Their

00:36:36.150 --> 00:36:40.389
first song was until it sleeps and until it sleeps

00:36:40.389 --> 00:36:44.809
Was their fight song it was holy crap This is

00:36:44.809 --> 00:36:48.909
Metallica right and I've had so many people message

00:36:48.909 --> 00:36:51.469
me over the last couple of years even saying

00:36:51.469 --> 00:36:54.650
I Understand that you're black and back, but

00:36:54.650 --> 00:36:58.469
you have to understand I'm way younger and that

00:36:58.469 --> 00:37:01.070
Load album was the first experience I had and

00:37:01.070 --> 00:37:05.610
so now I'm thinking I'm alienating people because

00:37:05.610 --> 00:37:09.550
I was being selfish and I talked with our new

00:37:09.550 --> 00:37:12.090
manager about it and he said I think you guys

00:37:12.090 --> 00:37:16.949
need to include some things beyond black and

00:37:16.949 --> 00:37:20.230
I've had a hard time with that but I'm coming

00:37:20.230 --> 00:37:23.190
around to it and I said we still have a very

00:37:23.190 --> 00:37:26.809
hardcore fan base that wants to hear Dire Z,

00:37:27.449 --> 00:37:31.170
Damage Incorporated, Eye of the Beholder, Motor

00:37:31.170 --> 00:37:36.099
Breath escape things trapped under ice jump in

00:37:36.099 --> 00:37:40.000
the fire things that no other band can do and

00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.800
if they tried they're not gonna do it the way

00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:45.699
we do it right so I'm like okay I now when I

00:37:45.699 --> 00:37:48.840
formulate my set list I know I have to put a

00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:50.380
lot of hits in there because you're gonna get

00:37:50.380 --> 00:37:52.579
the casual Metallica fan right you're always

00:37:52.579 --> 00:37:54.460
gonna get that one that says well I don't know

00:37:54.460 --> 00:37:58.760
all these deep -cut songs and I'm like well I'm

00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:01.320
educating you tonight, but you still are gonna

00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:03.619
get to hear some of the songs that you like But

00:38:03.619 --> 00:38:05.780
you also are gonna go home with a new respect

00:38:05.780 --> 00:38:09.179
of Wow, Metallica actually had stuff before load

00:38:09.179 --> 00:38:12.579
You know, so it's it's more of like, okay I'm

00:38:12.579 --> 00:38:15.699
teaching the newer school people to listen to

00:38:15.699 --> 00:38:18.579
the old school stuff that we all grew up on but

00:38:18.579 --> 00:38:22.980
I'm also allowing myself to say Load and reload.

00:38:23.260 --> 00:38:26.599
There's there's some quality hard rock songs

00:38:26.670 --> 00:38:30.190
It's not thrash. James didn't write it as thrash.

00:38:30.250 --> 00:38:33.210
He knows that. We know that. And I have to learn

00:38:33.210 --> 00:38:36.130
to accept that and just say, look, it's a good

00:38:36.130 --> 00:38:39.710
song. If it's a good, solid Metallica song, we're

00:38:39.710 --> 00:38:42.130
probably going to look and explore it and maybe

00:38:42.130 --> 00:38:45.489
even surprise some people with it in 2024. So

00:38:45.489 --> 00:38:50.110
I don't know. Hang on to your hats. Really exciting

00:38:50.110 --> 00:38:52.829
stuff, though. I mean, I can see where the average

00:38:52.829 --> 00:38:56.159
band. That hears about the four horsemen coming

00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.099
to their town and they they love Metallica and

00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:00.739
they're like, oh, yeah, I'd love to go I'd love

00:39:00.739 --> 00:39:04.000
to go here fade to black and sad but true and

00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:05.719
for whom the bell tolls it this would be a lot

00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.079
of fun and they go in there and Wow, they're

00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:13.960
hearing like you said Dyer's Eve battery Damaging

00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:15.719
some of these get mixed around night tonight,

00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.920
but you guys aren't letting up these technically

00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:21.739
challenging songs It's not like well, we'll do

00:39:21.739 --> 00:39:25.269
a couple of them We'll do the two or three to

00:39:25.269 --> 00:39:28.969
appease the real old -school Metallica heads.

00:39:31.769 --> 00:39:34.349
It's a cornucopia when it comes to Metallica.

00:39:34.570 --> 00:39:37.250
You've got slow, awesome songs in the old stuff.

00:39:37.429 --> 00:39:40.050
You have fast, awesome songs in the old stuff.

00:39:40.289 --> 00:39:42.190
And you've got people of all tastes who want

00:39:42.190 --> 00:39:45.500
to hear a variety of... those songs and you know

00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:48.619
I don't always hit everybody's request in every

00:39:48.619 --> 00:39:52.500
show that I can't but I do try to make sure that

00:39:52.500 --> 00:39:56.760
it's a variety you know so if we don't do Dyer's

00:39:56.760 --> 00:40:00.579
Eve that one night we might do damaging in replace

00:40:00.579 --> 00:40:03.860
of that you know so I do or blackened right but

00:40:03.860 --> 00:40:06.800
you're gonna hear a surprise or two or three

00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:10.280
or four and even some of the songs like like

00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:14.079
fade to black That was a big standout performance

00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.880
when I saw the Four Horsemen in 2022 here at

00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:20.480
this venue. The way that that solo was performed,

00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.400
the note for note dedication, I can still just

00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:27.860
picture your lead guitarist. His name is Luke

00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:33.719
and yeah, I will give you guys a little insight

00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.320
on Fade to Black. I mentioned when we were kids,

00:40:37.380 --> 00:40:40.559
there was no social services and stuff like that.

00:40:41.690 --> 00:40:45.969
Was I'm not gonna say a victim, but I was subjected

00:40:45.969 --> 00:40:51.889
to Abuse mental and physical in a single parent

00:40:51.889 --> 00:40:58.590
upbringing right and You get depressed and I

00:40:58.590 --> 00:41:03.570
did I really I would Mentally take myself out

00:41:03.570 --> 00:41:07.449
of my life and when I put that music on live

00:41:07.449 --> 00:41:11.289
the words these songs and it's not just Metallica

00:41:11.289 --> 00:41:14.409
it was any song that sung to me lyrically because

00:41:14.409 --> 00:41:19.349
I'm very oriented in the words the story that

00:41:19.349 --> 00:41:22.010
a lyricist is trying to convey right and so when

00:41:22.010 --> 00:41:24.090
fade to black when I heard those lyrics was just

00:41:24.090 --> 00:41:29.289
like this this is my life I unfortunately was

00:41:29.289 --> 00:41:33.510
Suicidal and it was so bad that I was just like

00:41:33.510 --> 00:41:36.730
I just want to end it like my mother doesn't

00:41:36.730 --> 00:41:39.750
even care that I exist, and that hurts when you're

00:41:39.750 --> 00:41:45.489
a little kid. So when I heard Fade to Black,

00:41:45.530 --> 00:41:48.250
when I got the Ride to Lightning cassette, I

00:41:48.250 --> 00:41:50.530
was big into drawing pictures when I was young.

00:41:51.750 --> 00:41:54.090
I've never told anybody this publicly. I can't

00:41:54.090 --> 00:41:57.369
even believe I'm going to say this now, but I

00:41:57.369 --> 00:42:00.889
still have the drawings where I was drawing myself

00:42:00.889 --> 00:42:05.039
being hung, shot, stabbed, and by every one of

00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.300
them there's a verse of fade to black so fade

00:42:08.300 --> 00:42:13.980
to black to me people would say the lyrics are

00:42:13.980 --> 00:42:17.340
negative they're they're horrible they're it's

00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:19.199
a person wants to die i'm like yeah but you gotta

00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.940
understand some of us identify with that and

00:42:22.940 --> 00:42:28.050
we pressed on despite that feeling of utter just

00:42:28.050 --> 00:42:30.570
loneliness and emptiness and no one wants me

00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:32.809
and why doesn't my mom love me type of stuff

00:42:32.809 --> 00:42:36.570
and I just you know it it hurts sometimes to

00:42:36.570 --> 00:42:40.969
talk about it, but I I Got past it. I'm still

00:42:40.969 --> 00:42:42.849
alive. There's there's other kids with their

00:42:42.849 --> 00:42:46.829
parents Unfortunately ended their lives So I

00:42:46.829 --> 00:42:48.969
don't look at myself and say oh, whoa is me I'm

00:42:48.969 --> 00:42:51.530
like no the the kids that really matter to the

00:42:51.530 --> 00:42:54.690
ones who parents snuffed their lives out I made

00:42:54.690 --> 00:42:58.280
it out Somehow I made it out not unscathed not

00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:02.679
on scarred, but when I play fade to black those

00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.039
lyrics It's so emotional for me because sometimes

00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.300
I get flashbacks when I'm playing on stage, you

00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:14.059
know of being a kid and I remember Keep it together.

00:43:14.260 --> 00:43:16.760
You're here for these people. It's not about

00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:23.150
you, but Music can pump you up music can take

00:43:23.150 --> 00:43:25.530
you down, it can make you sad, it can make you

00:43:25.530 --> 00:43:28.809
happy, it can make you want to fight. And that's

00:43:28.809 --> 00:43:32.230
the emotional power of what you're getting to

00:43:32.230 --> 00:43:35.750
experience. So when we play these songs, I don't

00:43:35.750 --> 00:43:39.869
do this so that I get money. I do this because

00:43:39.869 --> 00:43:43.670
Metallica, in essence, kind of saved my life,

00:43:43.670 --> 00:43:46.550
right? And so I want to respect that music and

00:43:46.550 --> 00:43:49.309
I want to share it with people who might be hurting.

00:43:50.110 --> 00:43:53.059
I've counseled kids. That their parents have

00:43:53.059 --> 00:43:54.920
come up to me when they heard my story and said

00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.199
can you talk to my son? He won't talk to me and

00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.159
they bring him to my show. I'm like, yeah, absolutely

00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.059
You know, well you're gonna be like like only

00:44:04.059 --> 00:44:06.360
300 miles away. Can I bring my son tomorrow?

00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:08.739
Would you talk to him before the show? I said

00:44:08.739 --> 00:44:10.360
I'll talk to him before or after what do you

00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:13.260
need me to do? And I have I have counseled these

00:44:13.260 --> 00:44:15.940
kids and just said look I'm not the answer But

00:44:15.940 --> 00:44:18.539
I've been in your shoes and I know what it's

00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:21.079
like to hurt and feel like nobody in the whole

00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:27.539
world gives a shit about you. So it's about the

00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:31.440
family and what music can provide. You can't

00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:33.780
pick your parents. You can't pick your relatives,

00:44:33.980 --> 00:44:36.039
right? But you can pick your music and you can

00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:37.780
pick your fight song. You can pick the things

00:44:37.780 --> 00:44:39.739
that are going to make you get through whatever

00:44:39.739 --> 00:44:41.300
the hell it is that you're trying to get through

00:44:41.300 --> 00:44:44.099
right now. And I chose music to get me through

00:44:44.099 --> 00:44:46.800
those darkest times of my life. So I really do.

00:44:47.300 --> 00:44:51.579
I try to relate. to the people who reach out

00:44:51.579 --> 00:44:54.539
to me in email or in person or whatever and just

00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:57.599
say, look, if I did it, you can do it. You can.

00:44:57.900 --> 00:45:01.119
You really can. Music gives you something to

00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:05.599
hold on to when you don't have that hand on your

00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:10.380
shoulder from, say, an uncle or a coach at school

00:45:10.380 --> 00:45:15.099
or some positive adult figure. When they're not

00:45:15.099 --> 00:45:19.909
there, you need something to grab on to. And

00:45:19.909 --> 00:45:22.869
as funny as it sounds, that could be a riff.

00:45:23.230 --> 00:45:26.510
That could be James Hetfield's lyrics. It could

00:45:26.510 --> 00:45:29.650
be the way that he's singing a song. And I remember

00:45:29.650 --> 00:45:33.949
being 16 years old and I kind of got strength

00:45:33.949 --> 00:45:37.030
through Hetfield and what he was expressing in

00:45:37.030 --> 00:45:41.769
his songs. And I felt like, okay, I can, you

00:45:41.769 --> 00:45:44.070
know, project a little bit of that in the world.

00:45:44.510 --> 00:45:48.800
You know, I'm bigger than I think I am. I'm stronger

00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:52.300
than I think I am not in a just purely physical

00:45:52.300 --> 00:45:55.940
sense, but you just you kind of Heavy metal music

00:45:55.940 --> 00:46:00.900
in general if it speaks to you It can carry you

00:46:00.900 --> 00:46:04.179
through and give you a ray of light Yeah, I agree.

00:46:04.179 --> 00:46:09.260
I think any music that Helps you fight any music

00:46:09.260 --> 00:46:13.320
that picks you up Even if it's sad lyrics like

00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.179
you know fade to black can be interpreted more

00:46:16.179 --> 00:46:18.949
than this the way I just said You can interpret

00:46:18.949 --> 00:46:23.070
that in abstract ways, right? Even James said

00:46:23.070 --> 00:46:25.789
that. He goes, I don't want my lyrics to just

00:46:25.789 --> 00:46:29.030
pigeonhole into one aspect. Different people

00:46:29.030 --> 00:46:31.210
have different meanings to what he sings about.

00:46:31.949 --> 00:46:33.630
So yeah, you're right. Whatever you can latch

00:46:33.630 --> 00:46:37.590
onto to make you mentally stronger. It's not

00:46:37.590 --> 00:46:40.130
about our muscles. The best muscle we have is

00:46:40.130 --> 00:46:43.869
between our ears. So you make yourself strong

00:46:43.869 --> 00:46:47.130
between your ears. and you can accomplish great

00:46:47.130 --> 00:46:49.849
things and I don't care what helps you through

00:46:49.849 --> 00:46:52.469
if it helps you through it was a good thing even

00:46:52.469 --> 00:46:55.630
if it's a sad song if it helps you through and

00:46:55.630 --> 00:46:58.730
you get onto the other side and you say I'm I'm

00:46:58.730 --> 00:47:02.230
still breathing I can still do this and you get

00:47:02.230 --> 00:47:05.210
your ass moving towards your goals because remember

00:47:05.210 --> 00:47:08.170
the only thing that really stops us is our own

00:47:08.170 --> 00:47:11.650
limitations of belief if you think you cannot

00:47:11.650 --> 00:47:14.429
do something you're right if you think you can

00:47:14.510 --> 00:47:17.250
you'll figure out a way to do it. And that's

00:47:17.250 --> 00:47:19.969
how I live my life now, right? I had to get away

00:47:19.969 --> 00:47:23.429
from the abuse and the negativity because the

00:47:23.429 --> 00:47:25.650
worst thing about living in a household where

00:47:25.650 --> 00:47:28.969
my mother didn't want us but she kept us because

00:47:28.969 --> 00:47:31.550
the paycheck was good from the ex -husband, right?

00:47:32.190 --> 00:47:35.550
So the worst thing is not when you get hit. The

00:47:35.550 --> 00:47:37.809
pain of that goes away pretty quick. You know,

00:47:37.989 --> 00:47:40.610
a day you get over it, whatever, you get swatted

00:47:40.610 --> 00:47:43.760
or you get smacked in the head. Other things

00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.579
can happen that are worse. I understand that

00:47:45.579 --> 00:47:47.340
and believe me trust me. I don't want to go into

00:47:47.340 --> 00:47:50.059
the personal Experience of what happened to me

00:47:50.059 --> 00:47:54.860
in my household, but those pains are healed Physically,

00:47:54.860 --> 00:47:57.900
it's the mental abuse that sticks with you when

00:47:57.900 --> 00:48:01.579
your parent says I wish I had never had you You're

00:48:01.579 --> 00:48:04.380
nothing to me. You're just a paycheck get in

00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:07.559
your room things like that You never get away

00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:11.619
from so you have to Build yourself up somehow

00:48:11.619 --> 00:48:14.360
because she's not going to or or that maybe it's

00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:15.940
maybe it's your dad doing it Maybe you don't

00:48:15.940 --> 00:48:17.659
even live today. Maybe it's an uncle like you

00:48:17.659 --> 00:48:19.599
say Hey, maybe the uncle doesn't want to help

00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.400
you because he could give us less what you're

00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.800
doing or what you're going through you can get

00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:26.860
through it, however, you decide you're gonna

00:48:26.860 --> 00:48:29.239
get through it and a lot of us go to music or

00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:33.159
art or Movies, I don't know but if you can relate

00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:36.440
to something and you can dust yourself off and

00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:38.789
stand back up Then you can get through anything

00:48:38.789 --> 00:48:41.650
with that and just remember that you know because

00:48:41.650 --> 00:48:43.829
The best person though the person that will never

00:48:43.829 --> 00:48:47.349
let you down Looks at you in the mirror in the

00:48:47.349 --> 00:48:50.030
mirror every day that person's never gonna let

00:48:50.030 --> 00:48:52.690
you down that guy or that gal You can always

00:48:52.690 --> 00:48:56.389
rely on that person So if it's gonna be it's

00:48:56.389 --> 00:48:58.530
up to me and you guys can do that, too And I

00:48:58.530 --> 00:49:01.369
know we got way off topic of music, but music

00:49:01.369 --> 00:49:05.530
I love it the music does this the music does

00:49:05.530 --> 00:49:08.420
this to us you know and Metal community is one

00:49:08.420 --> 00:49:11.480
of the best. I've been in rock shows. I've been

00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:13.519
at country shows even, which are weird for me

00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:16.579
because I'm not really in the country. But metal

00:49:16.579 --> 00:49:22.440
shows, these people, the camaraderie, the manners,

00:49:22.980 --> 00:49:25.960
the civility of people in a metal show, people

00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.039
don't expect that. They think, oh, you people

00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:32.239
are just rowdy Satan worshiping, you know, weirdos

00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:33.760
and whatever. And I'm like, have you ever been

00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:37.630
to a metal show? People are really cool. probably

00:49:37.630 --> 00:49:41.849
even more polite and well spoken than some of

00:49:41.849 --> 00:49:44.070
these rock shows that you hear about like people

00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:46.489
have been trampled to death at a Pearl Jam show

00:49:46.489 --> 00:49:49.849
okay I don't remember anybody being killed at

00:49:49.849 --> 00:49:52.210
a Metallica show and they're much much bigger

00:49:52.210 --> 00:49:55.829
so there's that right so we have a great community

00:49:55.829 --> 00:49:59.369
the metal community I think is misrepresented

00:49:59.369 --> 00:50:02.670
by people who don't understand us and don't want

00:50:02.670 --> 00:50:04.510
to understand us just want to assume they think

00:50:04.510 --> 00:50:09.150
they know who we are I agree. I go to quite a

00:50:09.150 --> 00:50:12.070
few shows now by myself, and sometimes people

00:50:12.070 --> 00:50:14.929
ask me, really? I mean, I don't know if I could

00:50:14.929 --> 00:50:18.289
do that. I'm thinking, do what? I mean, it's

00:50:18.289 --> 00:50:21.710
just speaking about the community. And this is

00:50:21.710 --> 00:50:25.989
true. Other people go see jazz or other forms

00:50:25.989 --> 00:50:30.210
of music by themselves and enjoy taking that

00:50:30.210 --> 00:50:34.230
in. But the metal community is real. And when

00:50:34.230 --> 00:50:37.489
you walk in, to a venue like this and I hope

00:50:37.489 --> 00:50:39.190
I'm speaking to someone who's kind of on the

00:50:39.190 --> 00:50:40.929
fence and they'd like to see the four horsemen

00:50:40.929 --> 00:50:42.849
and they see that they're coming to their town

00:50:42.849 --> 00:50:44.610
in a few weeks and they're thinking I don't know

00:50:44.610 --> 00:50:46.829
I don't I don't ever really do that might feel

00:50:46.829 --> 00:50:51.030
out of place no you won't it's uh you'll you'll

00:50:51.030 --> 00:50:55.090
feel welcome and you'll see more people like

00:50:55.090 --> 00:50:58.690
you than you think you will and uh and once the

00:50:58.690 --> 00:51:02.230
music starts trust me on this one you won't regret

00:51:02.230 --> 00:51:05.360
it Sean I have kept you way too long. I appreciate

00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:08.980
the time you spent I can't wait to see you guys

00:51:08.980 --> 00:51:13.860
play tonight how do you all the traveling and

00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:17.280
you're probably Not getting the sleep all the

00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:21.599
time that you'd like to get Do you have a diet

00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:24.519
that you stick to do you how do y 'all keep doing

00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:28.760
this and I think If anybody's out there wanting

00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:33.800
to hear the answer to this The answer is passion.

00:51:35.179 --> 00:51:36.880
It doesn't matter what you're going through.

00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:41.539
It doesn't matter what people say is possible

00:51:41.539 --> 00:51:45.840
for you. I'll answer the diet. We try to pack,

00:51:46.340 --> 00:51:51.400
I try to pack, sandwiches, chicken, salads, hard

00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:55.670
-boiled eggs. I pack a cooler. I try to make

00:51:55.670 --> 00:51:57.909
that last as long as I can. We do go to Cracker

00:51:57.909 --> 00:52:00.110
Barrel, like that's a religious thing for us,

00:52:00.130 --> 00:52:05.250
right? Actually, for us, well three of us, we

00:52:05.250 --> 00:52:08.070
all eat pretty clean when we do our breakfast.

00:52:08.369 --> 00:52:11.869
It's a couple eggs, the sirloin steak, tomato

00:52:11.869 --> 00:52:14.929
slices, right? That was breakfast this morning.

00:52:15.780 --> 00:52:18.480
And when you're out in the road like this, you're

00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:20.179
not making the money that Metallica's making,

00:52:20.300 --> 00:52:22.079
believe me. People think, oh, you guys are making

00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:23.960
so much, we're not making all that much money.

00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:26.280
And there's a lot of expenses, because we're

00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:29.460
in Pensacola tonight. I drove from Akron, Ohio

00:52:29.460 --> 00:52:32.559
last night to get down to Birmingham, Alabama.

00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.400
And my hometown is Cleveland, Ohio, but I live

00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.420
in Akron about an hour south of Cleveland right

00:52:38.420 --> 00:52:41.880
now. And yeah, so we drove like 12 hours yesterday.

00:52:43.389 --> 00:52:46.570
Oh, yeah, do you okay? All right. Well, we were

00:52:46.570 --> 00:52:50.309
there last night sleeping at a red roof in So

00:52:50.309 --> 00:52:52.010
then we drove down here today and that's when

00:52:52.010 --> 00:52:54.010
I had all the problems with my one of my tires

00:52:54.010 --> 00:52:56.630
Kept going low. So I've got a valve stem. That's

00:52:56.630 --> 00:52:58.610
got a tear in it, but we're gonna make it to

00:52:58.610 --> 00:53:00.809
Texas tomorrow So anybody listening for the Texas

00:53:00.809 --> 00:53:02.469
show tomorrow, we will be there. I don't care

00:53:02.469 --> 00:53:05.989
come hell or high water. We will be there But

00:53:05.989 --> 00:53:09.610
you know, yeah, we travel a lot and you just

00:53:09.610 --> 00:53:12.900
have to have that mindset that this is what you

00:53:12.900 --> 00:53:16.960
do you know we make enough money everybody works

00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.800
on the side you know not like full -time regular

00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.610
jobs but we all have had full -time regular jobs

00:53:23.610 --> 00:53:26.989
I mean before I did this I worked in factory

00:53:26.989 --> 00:53:30.150
I worked in recycling I was a garbage man literally

00:53:30.150 --> 00:53:34.789
I drove tow motor I sheeted plastics in a sheeting

00:53:34.789 --> 00:53:38.489
factory I did all kinds of stuff and then I none

00:53:38.489 --> 00:53:40.630
of that worked out while I was writing my three

00:53:40.630 --> 00:53:42.929
albums and then I said okay I'm gonna cut my

00:53:42.929 --> 00:53:45.429
hair off and go back to school I got an IT degree

00:53:45.429 --> 00:53:49.309
I started an IT company did that so I mean we're

00:53:49.309 --> 00:53:52.440
regular people I didn't grow up like Kirk Hammett

00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.260
only having a fast food job for a year and then

00:53:55.260 --> 00:53:57.860
I went to be a rock superstar legend for the

00:53:57.860 --> 00:53:59.980
rest of my life. We don't live that way, you

00:53:59.980 --> 00:54:03.699
know, we're regular people that want to spread

00:54:03.699 --> 00:54:07.030
joy. And that, I think, that passion is the thing

00:54:07.030 --> 00:54:10.230
that drives us to drive, literally, all over

00:54:10.230 --> 00:54:13.889
the freaking country. We want people to experience

00:54:13.889 --> 00:54:16.789
what it was like when Metallica was young and

00:54:16.789 --> 00:54:19.590
pissed off and broke and hungry. And they're

00:54:19.590 --> 00:54:21.809
not, I mean, James has even said, he goes, I

00:54:21.809 --> 00:54:23.630
don't write like that anymore because I'm not

00:54:23.630 --> 00:54:25.969
pissed off. I'm not broke. I'm not angry anymore.

00:54:26.250 --> 00:54:29.469
And he's a very, very wealthy individual. And

00:54:29.469 --> 00:54:33.579
I don't begrudge him any of his successes. He's

00:54:33.579 --> 00:54:35.900
had his ups and downs. I think he was recently

00:54:35.900 --> 00:54:38.659
divorced, maybe a year or two ago. That's got

00:54:38.659 --> 00:54:42.059
to be hard. It's got to be hard. Plus, you don't

00:54:42.059 --> 00:54:44.039
know what's going to happen with that. He had

00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:47.539
a wife and beautiful kids, and it tears at the

00:54:47.539 --> 00:54:50.239
fabric of who you are. So he's a human being

00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.500
as well, and he's had his hardships. So I don't

00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:54.539
begrudge him for being wealthy. That's just one

00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:58.820
thing, because millions of us latched onto his

00:54:58.820 --> 00:55:02.579
music. And some of us, it literally saved our

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lives. And it's like, how do you repay somebody?

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And all I can think of is honor the music. Do

00:55:09.380 --> 00:55:13.039
the music to the best of your ability and never

00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:16.159
half -ass it like my dad said. Give them a show.

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So we will kick your ass if you come to the show

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because I think that's what you need. And I think

00:55:22.300 --> 00:55:25.000
that's what people expect. I don't care if it's

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$20. I don't care if it's $15. I don't care if

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it's $50. If you come to one of our shows, you're

00:55:31.860 --> 00:55:33.599
not going to go home disappointed. We're going

00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:36.360
to give you everything we got. And I think every

00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.480
band should do that, because without the fans,

00:55:38.980 --> 00:55:42.159
Led Zeppelin wouldn't even be famous. Metallica

00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:45.599
wouldn't be famous. ACDC. Name a band. I don't

00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.780
care what the name of the band is, if the fans

00:55:47.780 --> 00:55:50.539
didn't show up to see them at the local clubs,

00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:53.659
at the regional level, at the national and international

00:55:53.659 --> 00:55:56.230
level. They would never have the wealth or the

00:55:56.230 --> 00:55:58.369
fame or anything that they have if it wasn't

00:55:58.369 --> 00:56:01.269
for people like us. So that's what I always remember

00:56:01.269 --> 00:56:03.750
is remember your roots. Don't ever get snotty.

00:56:03.789 --> 00:56:06.570
Don't ever think you're a rock star. Just be

00:56:06.570 --> 00:56:09.590
a person because I know what it's like to be

00:56:09.590 --> 00:56:12.010
out in that crowd and just be blown away by a

00:56:12.010 --> 00:56:13.630
show. And that's what I want to give people.

00:56:13.889 --> 00:56:16.110
Well, Sean, thank you for your dedication to

00:56:16.110 --> 00:56:19.489
your craft, for what you do with the Four Horsemen.

00:56:19.690 --> 00:56:22.650
your performance but really man in this conversation

00:56:22.650 --> 00:56:25.929
I had no idea we were going to cover all this

00:56:25.929 --> 00:56:30.369
but thank you for not giving up on yourself for

00:56:30.369 --> 00:56:32.710
not quitting considering where you came from

00:56:32.710 --> 00:56:36.349
and what you went through and still finding something

00:56:36.349 --> 00:56:40.329
to hold on to to fuel that drive because here

00:56:40.329 --> 00:56:44.590
you are tonight getting ready to make memories

00:56:44.590 --> 00:56:48.170
for A lot of people that they'll leave here tonight

00:56:48.170 --> 00:56:51.710
driving home grinning ear to ear their necks

00:56:51.710 --> 00:56:55.809
hurting there mine was the last show and What

00:56:55.809 --> 00:56:57.690
a great thing you're doing out there folks go

00:56:57.690 --> 00:57:03.269
to? www .forhorses .me is that correct is the

00:57:03.269 --> 00:57:07.250
website if you're on Facebook for F -o -u -r

00:57:07.250 --> 00:57:09.630
not the number four the word for four horses

00:57:09.630 --> 00:57:12.670
dot me and If you're on Facebook, just look up

00:57:12.670 --> 00:57:15.460
the four horsemen Metallica and you'll land on

00:57:15.460 --> 00:57:18.139
the page, get all the updates and be sure to

00:57:18.139 --> 00:57:20.159
comment if you're, you know, we do want you to

00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:22.340
put the devices down from time to time. But if

00:57:22.340 --> 00:57:23.619
you're checking out, if you had a great time

00:57:23.619 --> 00:57:26.420
at the gig, put a comment on there. Thank you

00:57:26.420 --> 00:57:28.860
so much, Sean, for your time tonight. And I can't

00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:35.739
wait to see you guys on stage. Hey, if you love

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00:57:49.090 --> 00:57:52.409
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00:58:01.969 --> 00:58:04.989
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00:58:04.989 --> 00:58:08.150
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00:58:08.150 --> 00:58:10.170
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