WEBVTT 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:09.060 Okay, welcome to episode number 25 of the Dan 00:00:09.060 --> 00:00:14.039 Time Podcast. I am your host, Dan McCardle. It's 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:16.780 wonderful to have you here for the first time, 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.100 for the second time, or for the 25th time. Thanks 00:00:21.100 --> 00:00:24.539 for listening to the show. DanTimePod at gmail 00:00:24.539 --> 00:00:27.760 .com is how you can reach me. You can also follow 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:31.980 me on X, Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube. Just 00:00:31.980 --> 00:00:36.039 search at Dan Time Pod. Be sure to download and 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.479 subscribe so that you never miss an episode New 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:42.439 guests appear every Sunday here in the US and 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:47.000 every so often a bonus episode So stay tuned. 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.119 You never know when the next one of those is 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:52.520 coming your way All right. It has been a fun 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:56.020 couple weeks I think we have scratched the itch 00:00:56.020 --> 00:00:59.939 for fellow baseball fans talking about historic 00:00:59.939 --> 00:01:05.129 Rick would field talking about umpiring and talking 00:01:05.129 --> 00:01:08.109 probably a good bit of nonsense, but I hope you've 00:01:08.109 --> 00:01:12.689 enjoyed these episodes. Listen, I really enjoy, 00:01:12.870 --> 00:01:16.269 as you can see, shining the light on musicians, 00:01:16.890 --> 00:01:19.129 singer songwriters from around the country and 00:01:19.129 --> 00:01:22.170 around the world. This is of special interest 00:01:22.170 --> 00:01:25.870 and importance to me. Please follow my previous 00:01:25.870 --> 00:01:28.129 guests. Check out the old episodes if you've 00:01:28.129 --> 00:01:32.290 missed any. Here's some news on some of the prior 00:01:32.290 --> 00:01:35.439 guests. and what they're doing right now. Dan 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:38.260 Harrison, Nashville based singer songwriter, 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:42.579 just released his stirring new single, Alameda. 00:01:42.980 --> 00:01:47.260 Find Dan on Instagram and other channels, Dan 00:01:47.260 --> 00:01:52.480 Harrison Music. Danielle Moralia, Boston based 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:55.859 blues artist, performing March 24th at the Mass 00:01:55.859 --> 00:01:59.379 Art Center in Mansfield, Massachusetts. If you're 00:01:59.379 --> 00:02:02.810 in the area, be sure. Do yourself a favor. Go 00:02:02.810 --> 00:02:07.170 see Danielle perform. Dan Brody. You guys know 00:02:07.170 --> 00:02:09.750 how I feel about Dan Brody. If you heard the 00:02:09.750 --> 00:02:13.810 episode a few weeks back, February 4th at Shot 00:02:13.810 --> 00:02:16.569 Kickers Melbourne, Australia, the album launch 00:02:16.569 --> 00:02:19.629 party for what I consider to be one of the best 00:02:19.629 --> 00:02:24.349 LPs of 2023. The Ballad of Cowboy Dan. Get a 00:02:24.349 --> 00:02:27.590 copy of this record however you can as soon as 00:02:27.590 --> 00:02:31.289 you can. And if you're in Melbourne, Do not pass 00:02:31.289 --> 00:02:35.689 it by to see Dan. Finally, Dan Thomas. Out on 00:02:35.689 --> 00:02:38.370 the road, a number of UK dates beginning February 00:02:38.370 --> 00:02:41.870 2nd. He's in Dundalk, Ireland, February 4th. 00:02:41.969 --> 00:02:45.530 Don't miss the chance to see Dan. He is at Dan 00:02:45.530 --> 00:02:49.509 Thomas Solo. Is it enough yet? Is the upcoming 00:02:49.509 --> 00:02:53.750 single and video? Love some Dan Thomas. Okay, 00:02:53.750 --> 00:02:56.469 so I think you get it by now. Dan Time is a run 00:02:56.469 --> 00:03:00.199 through the Daniverse most of the time. And these 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:04.259 are conversations with Dan's, Danielle's, Danny's, 00:03:04.259 --> 00:03:06.560 et cetera, who are making their mark in a big 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.639 way. And if they appear on this show, it's because 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:11.900 I believe that you should hear about them and 00:03:11.900 --> 00:03:15.199 their stories. But remember, some guests are 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.639 outside of the Daniverse, and this will apply 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.159 in another week or two. All right, with that 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.840 being said, I am just delighted. We say excited 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.819 enough. How about delighted to introduce to you 00:03:26.819 --> 00:03:30.229 this week's guest, Italian -bred, California 00:03:30.229 --> 00:03:34.370 -based, singer -songwriter, Daniella Gallasso. 00:03:34.949 --> 00:03:37.870 Daniella described her sound to Buzz Music as 00:03:37.870 --> 00:03:41.750 a cross between indie pop and Folktronica like 00:03:41.750 --> 00:03:44.289 Lennon Stella meets Ellie Golding and Maggie 00:03:44.289 --> 00:03:48.050 Rogers. Now, I think Daniella's music is going 00:03:48.050 --> 00:03:52.509 to resonate with you whether you're 16, 22 or 00:03:52.509 --> 00:03:56.759 62. Her vocals have been described as Smooth 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:00.960 and vintage, as well as delicate and airy. Daniela's 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.639 single Yesterday's Story took home second place 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:07.740 in the pop category at the 2022 Indie International 00:04:07.740 --> 00:04:11.979 Song Competition. The song Sway was a semi -finalist 00:04:11.979 --> 00:04:14.960 in the 2022 International Songwriting Competition 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.279 for Adult Album Alternative. You're going to 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.740 be swept away by Daniela's rendition of Don't 00:04:21.740 --> 00:04:25.079 You Forget About Me, the iconic song from the 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:27.620 Breakfast Club soundtrack recorded by Simple 00:04:27.620 --> 00:04:32.959 Minds. Follow Dani on the socials. She's at SoundsLikeDani 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:38.800 and SoundsLikeDani .com. Her new single, Wait, 00:04:39.019 --> 00:04:42.060 really showcases Daniela's ability to invite 00:04:42.060 --> 00:04:45.620 her listener to come closer, to not only hear 00:04:45.620 --> 00:04:49.160 the message, but to feel it and very easily embrace 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:53.990 it. Wait is very light, airy and soothing. It 00:04:53.990 --> 00:04:56.730 opens with Daniela's calming vocals over a strumming 00:04:56.730 --> 00:05:00.889 guitar. The song puts a whole new spin on unconditional 00:05:00.889 --> 00:05:04.149 love, maybe one that you've never before heard 00:05:04.149 --> 00:05:06.949 expressed this way. The opening lyric speaks 00:05:06.949 --> 00:05:09.709 to just how dedicated someone can be to another 00:05:09.709 --> 00:05:13.089 person. Remember, you can find this song and 00:05:13.089 --> 00:05:15.389 her other singles wherever you download music 00:05:15.389 --> 00:05:19.370 by searching Daniela Galasso. So with that being 00:05:19.370 --> 00:05:23.300 said, how about... We take a listen to a clip 00:05:23.300 --> 00:05:27.120 of the new single, Wait, and then get to the 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:31.540 conversation. Folks, it is Daniela Galasso time. 00:05:51.300 --> 00:05:58.980 Buried in the dirt Carry the weight for you And 00:05:58.980 --> 00:06:08.199 you'll never be alone I'll wait, wait, wait for 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:17.720 you Till the sun comes up I'll wait, wait, wait 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:48.079 for you Till the sun comes up I'm just so excited 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:52.459 about today's guest, a lifelong musician. She's 00:06:52.459 --> 00:06:55.360 out of the San Francisco Bay area, categorized 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:58.839 as an indie pop singer -songwriter, but she incorporates 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:02.839 different styles into her music. Some songs are 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.660 more dreamy, some are a little more up -tempo, 00:07:05.660 --> 00:07:09.189 but one thing Daniel I want to say from the start 00:07:09.189 --> 00:07:12.110 why I wanted to have you as a guest on the show 00:07:12.110 --> 00:07:16.850 today in our current culture and The busyness 00:07:16.850 --> 00:07:19.449 of everyday life a lot of the noise out there. 00:07:19.689 --> 00:07:23.610 I feel like your music really slows things down 00:07:23.610 --> 00:07:27.490 a little bit allows people to take a breath and 00:07:27.490 --> 00:07:31.009 Take a moment maybe embrace some feelings that 00:07:31.009 --> 00:07:34.129 are Kind of hard to embrace but you carry them 00:07:34.129 --> 00:07:37.879 there and let them go to that place And then 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.360 you have some other songs that you just want 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.060 to roll the windows down and enjoy a beautiful 00:07:43.060 --> 00:07:46.720 day. So that was really captivating. And I thought, 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:50.160 I've got to try to invite her to be on the show. 00:07:50.220 --> 00:07:53.339 So thank you so much for being here today. How 00:07:53.339 --> 00:07:56.579 are you doing today, Daniella? I'm doing great. 00:07:56.699 --> 00:07:58.459 Thanks for saying all that. That was really sweet 00:07:58.459 --> 00:08:02.420 of you. Hi, everyone. I'm Daniella, Danny for 00:08:02.420 --> 00:08:05.889 short. And yeah, it's nice to hear that my music 00:08:05.889 --> 00:08:09.949 is resonating in that way for you. Yeah, my favorite 00:08:09.949 --> 00:08:14.430 thing about this project is it brings me out 00:08:14.430 --> 00:08:17.410 of my own bubble. And, you know, I might not 00:08:17.410 --> 00:08:20.889 ordinarily listen to an artist like Daniela Galasso. 00:08:21.350 --> 00:08:24.470 I've always been open minded and I'm interested 00:08:24.470 --> 00:08:29.930 in musicians, storytellers, songwriters. And 00:08:29.930 --> 00:08:31.730 a couple of your songs we'll get to here in a 00:08:31.730 --> 00:08:35.139 minute. really grabbed my attention. And so I'm 00:08:35.139 --> 00:08:38.980 just so excited to dive into your story today. 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:42.159 I understand at a very young age, five years 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:46.259 old on a toy piano was kind of your first introduction 00:08:46.259 --> 00:08:50.360 to music and realizing that you had an interest 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:55.279 in music. Yeah, that's right. I have some early 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:58.860 memories of being a little kid and just kind 00:08:58.860 --> 00:09:03.120 of like figuring out the melody to songs. And 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:06.039 I honestly thought that was normal. Like everyone 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:09.100 did that. It kind of, I just had an actual ear 00:09:09.100 --> 00:09:12.419 to pick out a melody. And so I did that a lot 00:09:12.419 --> 00:09:16.799 as a kid and then was fortunate enough to have 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.919 a piano around growing up and then kind of took 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:23.559 from there, ended up playing the violin and getting 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:26.000 more exposure to the guitar and other instruments 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.519 and singing choir. So it's been quite a journey. 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:31.879 from when I was little all the way up to now 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.519 which is great because I feel like I've been 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:37.580 living and breathing music for quite some time 00:09:37.580 --> 00:09:39.759 and that's definitely like helped me as a musician 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.820 having that foundation so young. In terms of 00:09:43.820 --> 00:09:46.200 like my songwriting I mean that kind of happened 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:50.059 organically because I think naturally I was just 00:09:50.059 --> 00:09:52.799 listening to a lot of singer -songwriters growing 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:58.159 up especially female artists and so at some point 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:00.210 you know I was just like sing along to their 00:10:00.210 --> 00:10:02.909 songs and then kind of inspired me to start writing 00:10:02.909 --> 00:10:07.450 my own songs. Yeah, I was reading that as an 00:10:07.450 --> 00:10:11.110 adult or when you're in school, you realized 00:10:11.110 --> 00:10:14.730 I can probably do this as well. You know, you've 00:10:14.730 --> 00:10:17.809 got the artists that inspire you, you reference 00:10:17.809 --> 00:10:21.669 Lenin, Stella, Taylor Swift, Lauren Mayberry 00:10:21.669 --> 00:10:24.509 or some, your sound is similar to them, but some 00:10:24.509 --> 00:10:29.960 of your influences, Swift, Ellie Golding, Maggie 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:35.240 Rogers, do you remember, was it one day, one 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.480 season where you thought I'm gonna make a push 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.679 here, I'm gonna get these, I don't know if you've 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:45.100 had notebooks of lyrics and how did that transformation 00:10:45.100 --> 00:10:47.019 happen where you thought I'm going to market 00:10:47.019 --> 00:10:51.320 myself, I wanna do this, I can do this? That's 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:54.379 a really good question. I would say before I 00:10:54.379 --> 00:10:56.940 answer that, it has been a slow burn because 00:10:56.940 --> 00:10:59.379 of what I was saying about basically being a 00:10:59.379 --> 00:11:03.000 musician my whole life. And I definitely took 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.980 a stab at writing songs, I guess at a young adult 00:11:05.980 --> 00:11:11.279 age. So I had been writing and it was mostly 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:13.580 like cathartic and just kind of like me getting 00:11:13.580 --> 00:11:17.259 my feelings out and trying to like piece together 00:11:17.259 --> 00:11:20.080 a song. And I had other friends that were songwriters 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.820 too that kind of inspired me. But after doing 00:11:22.820 --> 00:11:27.379 that and doing the whole open mic thing in my 00:11:27.379 --> 00:11:33.179 area and kind of doing it as I would say a hobby, 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:34.980 which there's nothing wrong with that, but it 00:11:34.980 --> 00:11:38.340 just wasn't as serious at the time. And building 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:41.700 my musicianship along the way, I actually took 00:11:41.700 --> 00:11:45.879 like a really big break from music and was just 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:49.460 focusing on my nine to five career. And then 00:11:49.460 --> 00:11:54.039 I legitimately was just like, maybe this is not 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.139 like the thing I need to do and I just need to 00:11:56.139 --> 00:12:00.429 work and focus on that. And then I just like 00:12:00.429 --> 00:12:03.490 came back around to it and I was realizing like 00:12:03.490 --> 00:12:05.370 I really miss doing this and having this part 00:12:05.370 --> 00:12:09.149 of my life. And right around then I was also 00:12:09.149 --> 00:12:11.850 just a lot more pragmatic about what do I really 00:12:11.850 --> 00:12:14.190 want to do and what is it about this that I like. 00:12:14.929 --> 00:12:17.809 And I kind of came back to the songwriting aspect 00:12:17.809 --> 00:12:21.669 of it and got a rude awakening realizing that 00:12:21.669 --> 00:12:24.110 I really needed to improve my songwriting craft 00:12:24.110 --> 00:12:28.399 because I brought a song to a mentor at a music 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:33.519 conference, and she gave me nudges on how I could 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.240 improve the song. And just being at that conference 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.759 for the weekend, I kind of realized, okay, like, 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:42.000 I really need to put more work and care into 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:45.120 this. I can't just do it just kind of casually 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:49.840 if I want to see this take off in any big way. 00:12:50.299 --> 00:12:53.159 And so I think I kind of made that decision. 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:56.740 and started to take myself more seriously, which 00:12:56.740 --> 00:13:00.580 involved honestly an investment in my songwriting 00:13:00.580 --> 00:13:05.480 craft and like getting more one -on -one work 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:10.919 with mentors that were professionals. And I think 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.740 then another thing that happened that really 00:13:13.740 --> 00:13:18.100 kind of catapulted it to is the pandemic. I lost 00:13:18.100 --> 00:13:22.220 my job in the beginning of 2020. And so I was 00:13:22.220 --> 00:13:25.610 kind of in that group of people who lost their 00:13:25.610 --> 00:13:30.570 jobs and were trying to, you know, get new jobs, 00:13:30.649 --> 00:13:34.730 but no one was hiring for that beginning of 2020. 00:13:34.970 --> 00:13:39.409 And so during that time, I was applying to jobs. 00:13:39.509 --> 00:13:41.809 It just wasn't hearing back. And then I was like, 00:13:41.809 --> 00:13:44.350 well, I might as well spend this time to get 00:13:44.350 --> 00:13:48.129 better at songwriting. And so I got deeper into 00:13:48.129 --> 00:13:51.960 just improving my skills and doing a variety 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.500 of things, joining groups and doing some online 00:13:55.500 --> 00:13:58.480 retreats and things like that. And eventually 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.860 like I was seeing my writing get much better 00:14:00.860 --> 00:14:02.639 and actually a pretty quick amount of time. And 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.460 it was like, wow, this is super cool. I actually 00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:08.179 have like the brain space to work on this now. 00:14:08.580 --> 00:14:12.820 And so it actually made me realize like, I can't 00:14:12.820 --> 00:14:16.480 not do this anymore. And so I made a decision 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.029 to basically make more time, like make more creative 00:14:20.029 --> 00:14:23.090 time for my songwriting and musicianship craft. 00:14:23.730 --> 00:14:26.190 And then eventually I did, I did get rehired 00:14:26.190 --> 00:14:28.289 back by my job, which was super great before, 00:14:28.309 --> 00:14:32.710 but I was able to have flexibility and not go 00:14:32.710 --> 00:14:35.970 back full time. And so that's kind of what I've 00:14:35.970 --> 00:14:38.529 been doing since, which has been great because 00:14:38.529 --> 00:14:42.289 I needed the time to nurture my, my skillset 00:14:42.289 --> 00:14:46.110 and actually develop as a writer. You know, that's, 00:14:46.610 --> 00:14:48.820 um, it's interesting that you tell that story. 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:51.360 I've heard similar stories about the pandemic 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:54.779 and nobody wants to go back to that time period, 00:14:54.779 --> 00:14:59.019 but it was very transformational for some people. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:04.120 Yeah, totally. And for me, I can be a social 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:07.279 butterfly, which I still am, but I've almost 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.659 like trained myself not to be because I actually 00:15:09.659 --> 00:15:14.879 need the time to create. It's very time intensive. 00:15:15.070 --> 00:15:18.210 people that don't do this kind of creative craft 00:15:18.210 --> 00:15:19.830 don't realize how much time actually goes into 00:15:19.830 --> 00:15:24.250 it. But I appreciated having the time to focus 00:15:24.250 --> 00:15:26.990 during the pandemic, where I might have otherwise 00:15:26.990 --> 00:15:29.549 just kind of like filled my calendar with fun 00:15:29.549 --> 00:15:33.690 things to do with friends and family. So it was 00:15:33.690 --> 00:15:35.909 it was kind of for me to almost hibernate a bit 00:15:35.909 --> 00:15:39.470 and actually force myself into the discipline 00:15:39.470 --> 00:15:43.629 of creating. Daniela, I just want to mention 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.519 I want to mention what Buzz Music had to say 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.740 about you as a songwriter. Dani's a storyteller 00:15:50.740 --> 00:15:53.700 at heart using her significant musical prowess 00:15:53.700 --> 00:15:57.120 to paint vivid pictures and stories of relationships 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:01.179 and love, personal struggles, and even ordinary 00:16:01.179 --> 00:16:04.299 life, making her easy to relate to on the listener's 00:16:04.299 --> 00:16:06.779 part. I think that's what I may have said it 00:16:06.779 --> 00:16:09.740 in the beginning, but your music and your stories 00:16:09.740 --> 00:16:13.990 in the songs are very relatable, where it could 00:16:13.990 --> 00:16:17.570 bring in somebody that's not already plugged 00:16:17.570 --> 00:16:20.649 into that genre. If they just happen to listen 00:16:20.649 --> 00:16:23.889 to it because somebody else is playing it, or 00:16:23.889 --> 00:16:27.090 with my situation here, they can find something 00:16:27.090 --> 00:16:30.129 to hang on to. I want to jump here before we 00:16:30.129 --> 00:16:32.789 get too deep into the episode, your brand new 00:16:32.789 --> 00:16:35.870 single, Wait. This is a really powerful song. 00:16:36.169 --> 00:16:38.950 To me, I kind of wrote some notes down here about 00:16:38.950 --> 00:16:42.490 devotion, and maybe that word's not strong enough 00:16:42.490 --> 00:16:47.590 because It's almost an everlasting type of devotion. 00:16:48.049 --> 00:16:50.889 We can talk about the song, the music, the arrangements, 00:16:51.029 --> 00:16:54.190 and the lyrics, and we're going to preview this 00:16:54.190 --> 00:16:57.350 track for those of you listening. I can't wait 00:16:57.350 --> 00:17:01.070 for you to hear it and make sure that you download 00:17:01.070 --> 00:17:02.950 on your favorite music platform wherever you 00:17:02.950 --> 00:17:08.190 stream new music, this single, and the rest of 00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:11.750 Daniela Galasso's catalog. But let's talk about 00:17:11.750 --> 00:17:14.970 the new single, Wait. and how that came together. 00:17:15.849 --> 00:17:19.529 Yeah, I'd love to. This is a really special song 00:17:19.529 --> 00:17:24.589 for me and my co -writer. So I ended up meeting 00:17:24.589 --> 00:17:29.829 someone in one of my music programs and we wrote 00:17:29.829 --> 00:17:33.369 a song together remotely during the pandemic. 00:17:33.869 --> 00:17:36.029 And it started with just like a little guitar 00:17:36.029 --> 00:17:39.750 riff that he sent over to me. And I kind of just 00:17:39.750 --> 00:17:43.700 organically felt like the word weight was needed 00:17:43.700 --> 00:17:45.940 and needed to be in the song. And so I came up 00:17:45.940 --> 00:17:48.359 with some of the lyrics in the beginning of the 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.380 song. And it's really just centered around the 00:17:52.380 --> 00:17:56.220 idea of, you were saying devotional, but I've 00:17:56.220 --> 00:17:58.880 been explaining it as like unconditional love 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.940 and being there for people during hard times. 00:18:02.380 --> 00:18:05.680 And the context that we kind of had in mind when 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:09.700 we were writing it was just this idea of when 00:18:09.700 --> 00:18:11.859 you see your loved ones going through something, 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.440 whether it's a personal struggle or a mental 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:18.839 illness or just a hard time in general and kind 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.660 of being there as a pillar for them and that 00:18:21.660 --> 00:18:24.960 constant reassurance and just like having the 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:27.779 patience that you need to have in that sort of 00:18:27.779 --> 00:18:30.819 situation. And so, yeah, we really liked that 00:18:30.819 --> 00:18:35.440 idea and the song came together rewriting and 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:37.819 you know, every song was rewritten. Don't let 00:18:37.819 --> 00:18:43.099 anyone tell you that they're not. But no, it 00:18:43.099 --> 00:18:46.200 did come together pretty organically and we both 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:50.920 really liked it. And then I was able to engage 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:53.619 a friend of mine who plays piano and he played 00:18:53.619 --> 00:18:57.519 this really beautiful kind of drone chords to 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:01.880 it. And then I brought the song to another producer 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:04.230 that I've worked with in the past, and he built 00:19:04.230 --> 00:19:06.890 the arrangement around that. And I love what 00:19:06.890 --> 00:19:10.049 he did. I couldn't have imagined it turning out 00:19:10.049 --> 00:19:13.190 like it actually turned out. I was really, really 00:19:13.190 --> 00:19:16.230 pleased at the end of it. I like how your songs, 00:19:16.349 --> 00:19:19.910 when you go from the first verse to the second, 00:19:19.950 --> 00:19:24.509 the chorus, you introduce new arrangements that 00:19:24.509 --> 00:19:27.210 maybe weren't there. I love on some of the songs 00:19:27.210 --> 00:19:30.609 that will get into like the cover of Don't You 00:19:30.609 --> 00:19:33.500 Forget About Me. when the drums come in and you're 00:19:33.500 --> 00:19:35.660 not even expecting them about the two and a half 00:19:35.660 --> 00:19:40.099 minute mark. In this song, I think that the drums 00:19:40.099 --> 00:19:43.619 are introduced after the first, maybe after the 00:19:43.619 --> 00:19:48.180 first verse. It's just a really, really nice 00:19:48.180 --> 00:19:50.960 touch. It's funny that you noticed that because 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.299 I do like doing that. I can't fully take credit 00:19:54.299 --> 00:19:56.559 for that because I do work with producers often 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.130 and they have great ideas. But yeah, I've done 00:20:00.130 --> 00:20:02.349 it on quite a few songs and sometimes I'm telling 00:20:02.349 --> 00:20:04.309 a producer to do that because I just think it's 00:20:04.309 --> 00:20:07.210 so fun and it brings a lot of energy to the song 00:20:07.210 --> 00:20:10.049 when you get to the second verse. I think it's 00:20:10.049 --> 00:20:12.230 really great in this day and age when people 00:20:12.230 --> 00:20:15.569 are focusing on seven different things at once 00:20:15.569 --> 00:20:18.170 and they've maybe they're playing wait, they're 00:20:18.170 --> 00:20:20.009 listening to it, they're liking it, but they're 00:20:20.009 --> 00:20:22.750 cooking dinner, they're doing something. I love 00:20:22.750 --> 00:20:25.829 the touch of something like that where it almost 00:20:25.829 --> 00:20:28.410 I feel like it would stop somebody in their tracks 00:20:28.410 --> 00:20:32.529 and think, oh, I need to push these two or three 00:20:32.529 --> 00:20:34.930 or four things aside. I still got to, you know, 00:20:35.069 --> 00:20:36.950 stir the noodles here. But wow, what's going 00:20:36.950 --> 00:20:42.289 on with this song? But and I really like the 00:20:42.289 --> 00:20:45.210 lyrics. It's it's very different situations, 00:20:45.349 --> 00:20:48.190 might even be different people. Some of the lines 00:20:48.190 --> 00:20:51.069 like I'll pave the way for you. I'll hold your 00:20:51.069 --> 00:20:55.440 hand, look both ways. Like you said, it's. We 00:20:55.440 --> 00:21:00.940 seem, you know, as a society, very, in a lot 00:21:00.940 --> 00:21:04.660 of cases, very into ourselves, very self -centered, 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.859 and the focus is not so much on projecting that 00:21:08.859 --> 00:21:13.160 love to someone very important to you. And this 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:16.700 is just really put on display in this song. Yeah, 00:21:16.740 --> 00:21:18.359 totally. And I think that's why I really like 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:20.619 this song, too, because I definitely write a 00:21:20.619 --> 00:21:23.839 lot of songs that are about me and how I feel, 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.000 but this one is obviously so much about the other 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:30.680 person. So it's like even refreshing to me to 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:32.900 be able to sing like such a caring song like 00:21:32.900 --> 00:21:36.859 that, because it's like, you know, I hear enough 00:21:36.859 --> 00:21:39.880 about myself. I don't want to hear more about 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:44.799 myself. Well, I love the songs that are introspective 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:46.700 and what we'll talk about here in a minute, some 00:21:46.700 --> 00:21:49.880 of the relationship songs. Those are wonderful 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:55.059 as well. This one actually I played it for my 00:21:55.059 --> 00:21:57.960 six -year -old son a little earlier today. He 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:01.460 loved it He loved it right from the start. I 00:22:01.460 --> 00:22:03.099 Actually encouraged him to listen to some of 00:22:03.099 --> 00:22:05.460 the parts. I think towards the end there This 00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:07.380 might be the I don't know if this is the bridge 00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:10.579 or the post chorus and we'll make it to the other 00:22:10.579 --> 00:22:13.299 side But then there's some some layered vocals 00:22:13.299 --> 00:22:16.200 in the background. Yeah. Yeah, we added some 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:19.339 vocalizations in there, too I love doing that 00:22:19.339 --> 00:22:22.309 my music as well just adding vocal layers as 00:22:22.309 --> 00:22:26.309 if they're another instrument. Also how do you 00:22:26.309 --> 00:22:29.009 um how do you select the artwork for these singles? 00:22:29.329 --> 00:22:32.150 Are you looking at two or three or four different 00:22:32.150 --> 00:22:34.690 possibilities and then you say that's it? Do 00:22:34.690 --> 00:22:36.450 you have someone that you're collaborating with? 00:22:37.630 --> 00:22:40.509 Um so historically I've been making my own artwork 00:22:40.509 --> 00:22:45.369 for the singles and I've kind of just like I 00:22:45.369 --> 00:22:48.500 use this program called Canva which is user -friendly 00:22:48.500 --> 00:22:52.140 if you're not a professional designer. And I 00:22:52.140 --> 00:22:55.980 just kind of go on instinct. So for weight, I'm 00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:57.960 sure you looked at the artwork already since 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:02.819 you're asking, but I don't remember what I actually 00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:06.500 searched, but what I'll often do is I'll search 00:23:06.500 --> 00:23:11.059 something in Canva. They'll feed me images or 00:23:11.059 --> 00:23:14.079 artwork or something. And I think when I was 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.019 writing weight, I just really had this idea of 00:23:16.910 --> 00:23:20.589 it being outside like the scene of the song just 00:23:20.589 --> 00:23:24.230 it felt like an outdoor song so I think I probably 00:23:24.230 --> 00:23:27.210 searched tree or something along the lines and 00:23:27.210 --> 00:23:29.470 then this really beautiful image of this tree 00:23:29.470 --> 00:23:32.349 came up and I was like wow this looks cool and 00:23:32.349 --> 00:23:36.349 sometimes I actually just like make a quick artwork 00:23:36.349 --> 00:23:39.150 as a temporary artwork and then later I'll go 00:23:39.150 --> 00:23:42.509 make redo it like redo something else but this 00:23:42.509 --> 00:23:45.450 one I actually didn't redo so I came back to 00:23:45.450 --> 00:23:49.329 it And I just, I liked it. I thought it was cool, 00:23:49.490 --> 00:23:51.950 even though it was like, I probably put it together 00:23:51.950 --> 00:23:55.890 super fast as like a temporary one. And then 00:23:55.890 --> 00:24:00.390 my partner is like, he's like the person who 00:24:00.390 --> 00:24:02.569 I go to to be like, Oh, Hey, do you like, should 00:24:02.569 --> 00:24:04.569 I really release it like this? Like he, he kind 00:24:04.569 --> 00:24:08.190 of is my, he's like my second child on things. 00:24:08.410 --> 00:24:10.289 And so I asked him about it and he was like, 00:24:10.289 --> 00:24:12.289 yeah, it's cool. It's cool that it's a tree. 00:24:12.569 --> 00:24:14.750 And then we had this whole discussion about how 00:24:15.510 --> 00:24:18.630 Trees like the tree kind of is a symbol for this 00:24:18.630 --> 00:24:21.450 idea of waiting and like you can wait so long 00:24:21.450 --> 00:24:24.609 For someone and be there for so long for them. 00:24:24.609 --> 00:24:28.109 It was it kind of became even more symbolic This 00:24:28.109 --> 00:24:31.250 is idea of like trees losing their leaves through 00:24:31.250 --> 00:24:34.210 the seasons but like still being there and so 00:24:34.210 --> 00:24:37.569 we both agreed that like it was appropriate to 00:24:37.569 --> 00:24:40.450 Keep the the tree and the artwork for this one. 00:24:41.089 --> 00:24:45.319 I Love it and I love the glow Over the tree kind 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:50.700 of a an amber orange flow Maybe symbolizing the 00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:54.539 Sun coming up Yeah, totally and that's actually 00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:56.420 probably what I looked I probably said something 00:24:56.420 --> 00:24:59.099 like tree and Sun when I was trying to find this 00:24:59.099 --> 00:25:02.200 image and Then the perfect one just landed in 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:05.380 my lock. I Really love this song folks. Please 00:25:05.380 --> 00:25:10.819 check it out again I'll wait for you I'll be 00:25:10.819 --> 00:25:13.160 here for you. You know, it's just this message. 00:25:13.220 --> 00:25:16.880 A lot of people still feel alone out there, even 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:18.319 though they're trying their best and they're 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:21.400 thinking, speaking about the pandemic, it's been 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.660 three, four years. I can't talk about this anymore 00:25:23.660 --> 00:25:27.180 because everybody else seems to be at a regular 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:30.480 pace. They seem to be over it. I'm not, you know, 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.819 people have these feelings of being alone. I 00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:35.799 think it's a very comforting song, even for someone 00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:38.240 who doesn't necessarily have somebody in their 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.769 life at this moment. who would say something 00:25:40.769 --> 00:25:43.690 like that. But I just think you did a great job 00:25:43.690 --> 00:25:47.430 on this track and really excited about it. Thanks. 00:25:47.470 --> 00:25:51.190 Thanks so much. It wouldn't happen with my co 00:25:51.190 --> 00:25:55.529 -writer, Dennis Martin. And one other thing, 00:25:55.529 --> 00:25:57.130 and I'll probably will say this about some other 00:25:57.130 --> 00:26:00.970 songs on your vocal tracks. This one in particular, 00:26:01.509 --> 00:26:05.349 you do a really good job of not trying to do 00:26:05.349 --> 00:26:10.789 too much. you've got a certain tone, it's been 00:26:10.789 --> 00:26:12.670 described, or some of your songs have been described 00:26:12.670 --> 00:26:17.230 as water -like, I guess, airy. And on this one, 00:26:17.509 --> 00:26:22.210 you keep the delicacy in the song, and it doesn't 00:26:22.210 --> 00:26:25.210 need anymore. It doesn't need to go in several 00:26:25.210 --> 00:26:28.529 different places. So I really enjoyed that part 00:26:28.529 --> 00:26:32.190 as well. Yeah, it's funny you say that because 00:26:32.190 --> 00:26:38.109 I'm definitely, you know, ever growing I guess 00:26:38.109 --> 00:26:41.670 and strengthening my voice as the days go on 00:26:41.670 --> 00:26:44.269 but it's so weird with singing because sometimes 00:26:44.269 --> 00:26:46.390 it's like when you try too hard it actually sounds 00:26:46.390 --> 00:26:51.109 worse and I remember when I was trying to because 00:26:51.109 --> 00:26:53.690 every time I record vocals for a song you know 00:26:53.690 --> 00:26:57.049 I kind of plan it out and I experiment and play 00:26:57.049 --> 00:26:58.670 around with how I'm going to sing it and I try 00:26:58.670 --> 00:27:00.710 to do that preparation before the day I actually 00:27:00.710 --> 00:27:04.730 record and I remember I was I was trying to sing 00:27:04.730 --> 00:27:07.819 it with more umph And it wasn't even sounding 00:27:07.819 --> 00:27:11.759 like it was just like, I don't know. It's a very 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:14.980 there's definitely an art to to singing. And 00:27:14.980 --> 00:27:17.920 I find that sometimes when I just like don't 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.140 think about singing and just sing without orchestrating 00:27:21.140 --> 00:27:23.640 it, like that's when it sounds the best. And 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:25.700 I think that's what I ended up doing this recording. 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:31.039 I could certainly see that. Now, I understand 00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.200 that you're working on some new material. maybe 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.299 it's completed or nearly there. The last time 00:27:36.299 --> 00:27:38.700 we were speaking, getting ready for the podcast, 00:27:39.700 --> 00:27:43.019 you were targeting the spring of 2024 to release 00:27:43.019 --> 00:27:47.160 some new songs. Yeah, that's right. So that's 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:50.200 still the goal. I need to put pen to paper and 00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:52.140 actually make some decisions in the next few 00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:57.319 weeks. But I basically have released a good handful 00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:00.779 of singles and what's coming up is the first 00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:03.279 album, which does contain some of the singles 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:05.980 that are already out in addition to some new 00:28:05.980 --> 00:28:08.579 songs that aren't out yet. So I'm getting really 00:28:08.579 --> 00:28:13.119 excited about that. I am one song away from it 00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.559 being completed and the song is done. It's just 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.119 I need to finish the production and record the 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.660 final vocals. And it's the last song for the 00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:25.160 project. And I've been sitting on this for a 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:29.400 while trying to I didn't really like. plan this 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:33.440 album out super methodically. It kind of, I just 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:35.400 wrote a lot of songs and started to pick the 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.579 ones that like felt like they went together, 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.200 which to an extent is what everyone does. But 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.700 since this is my first album, I kind of, I wasn't 00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:47.119 really planning everything. I just started releasing 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.720 things. Then I kind of realized like, okay, I 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.000 need to release an album, like a few singles. 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.240 And so, but then I was very indecisive about 00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:58.579 like, what the last songs are going to be. And 00:28:58.579 --> 00:29:01.480 so it's been a journey trying to kind of piece 00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:03.940 it together, but I'm really excited about it. 00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:08.259 And all the songs kind of have this underlying 00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:11.140 theme of beauty and vulnerability, which I'm 00:29:11.140 --> 00:29:13.420 sure you've probably picked up from what you've 00:29:13.420 --> 00:29:17.279 already heard. Right. And they're all like personal 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.279 to me and things that have kind of led me to 00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.490 where I am in the past couple of years. So. it's 00:29:23.490 --> 00:29:25.670 gonna be cool to have like a cumulative project 00:29:25.670 --> 00:29:28.230 for that. And then also I'm like excited for 00:29:28.230 --> 00:29:30.769 my next project already just cause like I've 00:29:30.769 --> 00:29:33.430 also been writing for what's coming next and 00:29:33.430 --> 00:29:36.009 it's gonna have a different flavor. So I'm looking 00:29:36.009 --> 00:29:39.269 forward to kind of putting a book into this and 00:29:39.269 --> 00:29:41.829 actually celebrating it and then making some 00:29:41.829 --> 00:29:46.509 space for a little bit of a newer sound, I guess 00:29:46.509 --> 00:29:49.569 you could say. Well, one of the songs that I'm 00:29:49.569 --> 00:29:53.750 sure will be on the EP Yesterday's story and 00:29:53.750 --> 00:29:56.990 this song along with embers Well, you won second 00:29:56.990 --> 00:29:59.670 place in the pop category at the indie international 00:29:59.670 --> 00:30:03.609 song competition 2022 for yesterday's story This 00:30:03.609 --> 00:30:06.849 is a very deep song if you listen to it the first 00:30:06.849 --> 00:30:10.230 time Spin it three or four five six seven times 00:30:10.230 --> 00:30:13.109 and you might have a different understanding 00:30:13.109 --> 00:30:16.650 I did I Honestly, I think this might be my favorite 00:30:16.650 --> 00:30:19.869 song that you've recorded that I've heard. Oh 00:30:19.869 --> 00:30:23.700 Really? Yeah, I I feel like with yesterday's 00:30:23.700 --> 00:30:27.160 story you capture something that everybody of 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:31.400 a certain age Even if you're 16 or 17, you've 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.380 probably experienced some of this but certainly 00:30:33.380 --> 00:30:39.619 at At my at my advanced age You know, it's it's 00:30:39.619 --> 00:30:41.579 describing two people trying to find closure 00:30:41.579 --> 00:30:45.920 You've got probably one party that is still throwing 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.160 some darts trying to get the other's attention 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.869 Say let's give this another chance And I feel 00:30:50.869 --> 00:30:53.750 like you're expressing that we can keep going 00:30:53.750 --> 00:30:56.769 back to yesterday's story, but it's never gonna 00:30:56.769 --> 00:30:58.730 be today's story. It's never gonna be tomorrow's 00:30:58.730 --> 00:31:02.109 story. The most beautiful part here, this might 00:31:02.109 --> 00:31:06.289 be the bridge, is the line, believe me, I didn't 00:31:06.289 --> 00:31:09.069 want the ending, you know, because nobody in 00:31:09.069 --> 00:31:12.829 a relationship wants the way that it ended, usually. 00:31:13.049 --> 00:31:15.849 Yeah, I totally. But we can't be stirring up 00:31:15.849 --> 00:31:19.049 old feelings. When they are yesterday's story 00:31:19.049 --> 00:31:21.289 and you're just basically saying this we're clearly 00:31:21.289 --> 00:31:25.109 We've got a chapter here and we just can't go 00:31:25.109 --> 00:31:30.069 back to it Yeah, I totally I like how you really 00:31:30.069 --> 00:31:33.789 like listen to it several times and saw the the 00:31:33.789 --> 00:31:38.130 evolution there, right? but yeah, this this is 00:31:38.130 --> 00:31:41.829 a This is definitely one of those like we've 00:31:41.829 --> 00:31:47.150 all been their songs It was also the first single 00:31:47.150 --> 00:31:53.970 I released as part of this project. And I, I 00:31:53.970 --> 00:31:56.230 kind of was like, man, I'm really starting off 00:31:56.230 --> 00:31:59.569 with this like bummer of a song. It's kind of 00:31:59.569 --> 00:32:04.430 a sad song. But at the same time, I was like, 00:32:04.430 --> 00:32:07.109 it needs to be said. Cause I think like, even 00:32:07.109 --> 00:32:10.630 though it's a sad song, like I feel like it's 00:32:10.630 --> 00:32:13.970 kind of an empowering song in a way. Cause if 00:32:13.970 --> 00:32:16.819 you really like listen to it, it's like, the 00:32:16.819 --> 00:32:20.440 speaker is admitting that this sucks but they're 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:24.400 also making the decision to like leave it alone 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:29.319 which for me like considering it is on the sadder 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:32.640 side was kind of like really the message i want 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.380 wanted to put out there and yeah i'm super proud 00:32:36.380 --> 00:32:41.880 of it i was very very excited when i got that 00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:46.359 award and I think just because of what we talked 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.960 about before, which I was talking about all the 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.180 work I was putting into my songwriting craft. 00:32:53.140 --> 00:32:57.619 So it was very just like giving the award after 00:32:57.619 --> 00:33:01.019 having put that work in was very satisfying and 00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:03.039 surprising. And it was a nice, it was a nice 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:06.859 boost for me. I think that yesterday's story 00:33:06.859 --> 00:33:10.299 really shows off your vocal range as well. You 00:33:10.299 --> 00:33:12.220 know, the opening, like you said, it starts out 00:33:12.220 --> 00:33:15.569 kind of dreary. And then as we go to the first 00:33:15.569 --> 00:33:18.829 verse, you know, we had the wires crossed. And 00:33:18.829 --> 00:33:21.069 please, folks, don't compare my speaking voice 00:33:21.069 --> 00:33:25.750 to how Daniela sings this. And I'm reading it 00:33:25.750 --> 00:33:29.289 very verbatim. And we got it wrong. And the promises, 00:33:29.569 --> 00:33:32.430 they were pretend. But as you kind of weave through 00:33:32.430 --> 00:33:36.549 the song, you get to some tender places. It really 00:33:36.549 --> 00:33:38.750 starts to escalate. But no matter what I do, 00:33:39.049 --> 00:33:41.710 you find a way to bring me bring me to our familiar 00:33:41.710 --> 00:33:44.019 place. There's usually a partner that can do 00:33:44.019 --> 00:33:47.440 that. You can break me with hello. Everyone knows, 00:33:47.619 --> 00:33:50.920 you know, a partner that as long as you just 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.880 don't run into them again and they don't call 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.779 and you just go on your way, go to work, go to 00:33:57.779 --> 00:34:00.140 school, you're going to be fine. But when you 00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:03.279 see them or when you hear their voice, it just, 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.079 you know, it's a weak spot. But yeah, once you 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.800 reach the chorus, I just I like where you kind 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.599 of show off your vocal range there. And you can 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.659 just tell a lot of work went into this particular 00:34:14.659 --> 00:34:18.880 song. So congratulations. Thank you. Yeah, it's 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:22.300 funny because I actually recorded this song a 00:34:22.300 --> 00:34:25.980 while ago now. And when I did, I was not like 00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:28.199 I've become a better vocalist since I recorded 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:32.699 it. So like when I when I recorded it, not only 00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:35.599 was it like a triumph to just like get it get 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:39.199 it down, but the trials and tribulations of recording 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.539 it were. the long haul. And I actually, fun fact, 00:34:43.940 --> 00:34:46.420 I recorded the whole thing on a new microphone 00:34:46.420 --> 00:34:49.539 at one point. And then I decided I didn't like 00:34:49.539 --> 00:34:52.599 it because the microphone I bought was kind of 00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.760 this like warm, like it's beautiful microphone, 00:34:55.780 --> 00:34:58.099 but it just didn't, it didn't capture my voice 00:34:58.099 --> 00:35:01.559 in the same like vulnerable way. And so after 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.579 going through like the laborious recording of 00:35:04.579 --> 00:35:06.719 it all, and I was producing myself and then I 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.869 was like, you know what? and I had some people 00:35:08.869 --> 00:35:11.250 tell me they were like oh we like the demo vocal 00:35:11.250 --> 00:35:14.110 better the way that the microphone is and so 00:35:14.110 --> 00:35:17.329 I went back and redid it. I can't believe by 00:35:17.329 --> 00:35:19.369 the time I was like done with the song I was 00:35:19.369 --> 00:35:21.969 like this song is yesterday's story like I need 00:35:21.969 --> 00:35:28.349 to respond. Well the way that you sing it you 00:35:28.349 --> 00:35:31.329 again speaking to vulnerability you express that 00:35:31.329 --> 00:35:34.130 I feel like by the end of the song you've gained 00:35:34.130 --> 00:35:36.550 control gained control of your thoughts and your 00:35:36.550 --> 00:35:40.130 purpose And it's really that's that part is beautifully 00:35:40.130 --> 00:35:44.230 done where you show how someone can Just about 00:35:44.230 --> 00:35:47.690 fall apart just about give in to those feelings 00:35:47.690 --> 00:35:50.449 and then just say no wait a second I'm here that 00:35:50.449 --> 00:35:55.769 was there and Yet folks again add this one as 00:35:55.769 --> 00:35:58.710 a single and you'll see it on the new EP again 00:35:58.710 --> 00:36:01.349 my favorite my favorite track out of your catalog 00:36:01.349 --> 00:36:03.929 if I had to pick one and there's not a lot of 00:36:03.929 --> 00:36:07.650 daylight between my favorite and a least favorite, 00:36:07.710 --> 00:36:11.650 which there's not really a least favorite. And 00:36:11.650 --> 00:36:15.469 then I like comparing these. We had an outline 00:36:15.469 --> 00:36:19.170 here. Yesterday's story. And then the next song 00:36:19.170 --> 00:36:22.869 I had to mention was Sway. And these are kind 00:36:22.869 --> 00:36:26.730 of polar opposites just about. But it's still 00:36:26.730 --> 00:36:30.050 Daniella Galasso. You could tell you're getting 00:36:30.050 --> 00:36:33.750 the same product here. This is a real foot tapping 00:36:33.750 --> 00:36:37.860 song. Some great guitar work. That's my producer 00:36:37.860 --> 00:36:43.139 and he did a fabulous job. So I gave him a demo 00:36:43.139 --> 00:36:46.420 of this and he just like blew it out of the water 00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:51.599 and just kind of redid the whole thing. But yeah, 00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:55.159 he did an incredible job and it was a fun thing 00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.219 to work on with him too because he pushed me 00:36:57.219 --> 00:36:59.539 vocally and he was like, oh, let's add more harmonies 00:36:59.539 --> 00:37:02.320 and more harmonies and more harmonies. And so 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.219 we added like a lot of vocal stacks. the post 00:37:06.219 --> 00:37:09.800 -chorus and it just became very angelic. But 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:12.019 you totally hit it on the nose. It's a polar 00:37:12.019 --> 00:37:16.079 opposite of Yesterday's Story and I kind of like 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:21.239 that. I like the contrast of it and I've intentionally 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:25.059 included both of these on the album because there's 00:37:25.059 --> 00:37:27.820 a bit of an innocence to this one and then there's 00:37:27.820 --> 00:37:30.860 a bit of a growing up on the Yesterday's Story 00:37:30.860 --> 00:37:33.719 track and I like having that kind of duality 00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:39.480 together. Yeah this track I Would say if anybody 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:42.460 listening to this podcast episode and you've 00:37:42.460 --> 00:37:45.019 always got it locked to one genre let's just 00:37:45.019 --> 00:37:48.280 say that you always listen to pop country music 00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:51.179 and Maybe some variation, but that's kind of 00:37:51.179 --> 00:37:54.719 that's your bread and butter Play this track. 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:56.980 It's I'm not saying that it's a country song 00:37:56.980 --> 00:37:59.739 but I'm saying that the emotion that you That 00:37:59.739 --> 00:38:03.059 you may get out of some of the biggest hits right 00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:05.550 now you're going to find it here, especially 00:38:05.550 --> 00:38:08.010 when the chorus kicks in, I think, at about 20 00:38:08.010 --> 00:38:10.289 or 30 seconds. It hits you right away and you 00:38:10.289 --> 00:38:15.630 realize, okay, I'm either ready to be off work 00:38:15.630 --> 00:38:18.590 or I'm ready to start the weekend. I love it. 00:38:18.630 --> 00:38:21.889 This is a repeat song. I don't want to sound 00:38:21.889 --> 00:38:24.289 cheesy here, but like it says in the chorus, 00:38:25.670 --> 00:38:27.829 we'll sway to the beat of our favorite song. 00:38:28.210 --> 00:38:31.690 We'll hit repeat as we're dancing on. It sounds 00:38:31.690 --> 00:38:34.090 like you had fun recording this song. I'm sure 00:38:34.090 --> 00:38:37.050 with any of these tracks, when you're in the 00:38:37.050 --> 00:38:40.110 studio, it's a lot of work and the end result 00:38:40.110 --> 00:38:42.989 sounds great, but it maybe wasn't a blast every 00:38:42.989 --> 00:38:45.190 step of the way doing it. But this just sounds 00:38:45.190 --> 00:38:49.909 like such a fun track to piece together. Yeah, 00:38:50.489 --> 00:38:52.389 the energy was definitely high with this one. 00:38:52.849 --> 00:38:56.389 It was a really fun one to record. And then, 00:38:56.510 --> 00:38:59.050 again, Sway, I had it down here that you won 00:38:59.050 --> 00:39:03.340 an award for this track. Yeah, this one is ISC 00:39:03.340 --> 00:39:08.019 so international songwriting competition and 00:39:08.019 --> 00:39:12.760 They're massive. So Sway was chosen to be a semi 00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:16.960 -finalist which is still like pretty like awesome 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.760 recognition and then I got cut out after that 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:23.940 because Other songs like rose to the top, but 00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:27.219 it was still very exciting. I made it that far 00:39:27.219 --> 00:39:31.480 and Here's a question. Do you feel like With 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.820 having an award -winning song or having a hundred 00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:39.380 thousand streams Does networking have a lot to 00:39:39.380 --> 00:39:42.420 do with it because I hear songs Some of the guests 00:39:42.420 --> 00:39:44.920 that I've had on this podcast I'm thinking this 00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:48.460 is just as good if not better than some of the 00:39:48.460 --> 00:39:52.599 top performers is it I don't it's so cliche to 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.860 say it's who you know, but How much of that do 00:39:55.860 --> 00:39:58.940 you think goes into it to just pushing a song 00:39:58.940 --> 00:40:02.460 up the charts? I think saying it's who you know 00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:06.300 is a little bit too simple. Cause it's not just 00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:10.739 who you know, especially like in general, I mean, 00:40:11.579 --> 00:40:15.039 the digital streaming world and just marketing 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:20.440 music in general is very complicated. And it's 00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.699 not just the streaming, like how do you get on 00:40:23.699 --> 00:40:25.500 playlist and blah, blah, blah. It's also like, 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.579 are you, playing live shows and utilizing social 00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:31.920 media to get your music out. There's so many 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:33.780 different variables that come into play when 00:40:33.780 --> 00:40:38.059 it comes to putting your music out there. So 00:40:38.059 --> 00:40:40.440 I feel like it's too simple to say it's just 00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:44.800 who you know. And I think that there's tons of 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.300 incredible songs that don't get the airplay that 00:40:47.300 --> 00:40:51.300 they should get. But also there's tons of incredible 00:40:51.300 --> 00:40:52.980 indie artists that don't know how to market their 00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:55.219 music. And I'm not going to pretend like I have 00:40:55.219 --> 00:40:58.389 it all figured out. But they're honestly two 00:40:58.389 --> 00:41:00.389 different things. It's like the craft of something 00:41:00.389 --> 00:41:03.650 is one thing, and then being able to find the 00:41:03.650 --> 00:41:06.369 audience for it and market it and create some 00:41:06.369 --> 00:41:10.130 momentum is a completely different thing. Yeah, 00:41:10.230 --> 00:41:13.489 probably the average music fan doesn't realize, 00:41:13.489 --> 00:41:16.309 like you said, how much work you've got to put 00:41:16.309 --> 00:41:18.789 into this. And if you have a full -time job, 00:41:19.489 --> 00:41:22.150 this is your nights and weekends. In a lot of 00:41:22.150 --> 00:41:27.460 cases, you've got Your music, but you've also 00:41:27.460 --> 00:41:31.380 got your image. You've got all your socials You've 00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:34.360 got events that you need to get to probably performing 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.159 live. I could see some people that have a lot 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:41.260 of talent that Just after a year of giving it. 00:41:41.260 --> 00:41:46.320 They're all say I'm Just I'm done with this or 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.780 I'm not done, but it sounds like it could maybe 00:41:49.780 --> 00:41:53.519 discourage some folks who don't have a five year 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:55.860 dedication to it. I don't know how many years 00:41:55.860 --> 00:42:01.239 you put out there and as a goal. I definitely 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.820 think that if you don't have a really strong 00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:11.940 passion and it will say even interest in in doing 00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:15.199 something like this, it's hard to hang on because 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.079 you like the actual work required. It's just 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:20.639 like everyone says, it's like it's all about 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.099 the journey. And like when I decided to take 00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:25.920 this seriously, I was like, am I going to enjoy 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.179 songwriting by myself in a room? Because if I 00:42:28.179 --> 00:42:31.239 can't enjoy that, then or even practicing vocals 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:33.400 or anything like related to what I have to do 00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.039 to prepare. Like if I'm not going to like that 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.019 part, then this isn't going to work. So yeah, 00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:41.880 that that's super important. And then, I mean, 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.610 it costs money to like production and lessons 00:42:46.610 --> 00:42:50.530 and marketing and photo shoots and all this stuff. 00:42:50.989 --> 00:42:54.389 Like it's not like it's free. So there's a really, 00:42:54.389 --> 00:42:57.210 really big investment that comes in the upfront 00:42:57.210 --> 00:43:02.230 and you don't necessarily money right away. Or 00:43:02.230 --> 00:43:04.329 if you do, you're not necessarily making back 00:43:04.329 --> 00:43:06.869 what you invested. So I feel like you have to 00:43:06.869 --> 00:43:11.360 really be in it for like the right reasons. And 00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:13.960 there's a lot of people that have to have another 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:18.340 job included in myself to fund doing it. I would 00:43:18.340 --> 00:43:20.639 love to get to a point where I'm making more 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.599 money than I'm investing into it. I'm not quite 00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:27.420 there yet. But it's yeah, if you don't have that 00:43:27.420 --> 00:43:29.639 passion, it's it's hard to hang on because there's 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.940 so many people that do have that passion, I think. 00:43:34.340 --> 00:43:36.760 How is it when, you know, you're still working 00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.519 hard like we've just described here and the days 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.000 are long but you get feedback from someone that 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.420 says this song has really inspired me or this 00:43:47.420 --> 00:43:51.820 song reminded me of something that brought me 00:43:51.820 --> 00:43:54.639 a smile like or that just kind of makes you lean 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:58.900 back and say hey that part of what I do is fulfilling 00:43:58.900 --> 00:44:03.159 yeah absolutely especially because you know sometimes 00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:04.900 people think these things but they don't say 00:44:04.900 --> 00:44:07.619 them so when someone actually takes the time 00:44:07.619 --> 00:44:10.480 to say something like that to me I'm like, wow, 00:44:10.940 --> 00:44:12.619 not only did you say that to me, but you were 00:44:12.619 --> 00:44:14.920 actually really listening. And so it's super 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:18.619 meaningful to me. I had a show over the past 00:44:18.619 --> 00:44:21.760 weekend and I had some family and friends come, 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:24.440 which is amazing. And then there were some strangers. 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:28.300 It was at a winery right by me and some strangers 00:44:28.300 --> 00:44:32.039 stayed back and wanted to have pictures with 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.199 me, which has never happened to me before. And 00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.639 they were talking to me and one person said, 00:44:37.740 --> 00:44:40.840 basically just thanked me for doing what I do 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:44.820 and creating art. And it was awesome because 00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:48.500 I didn't know these people and they stayed for 00:44:48.500 --> 00:44:50.539 the whole show and they were really watching 00:44:50.539 --> 00:44:53.119 me and looked me up and things like that. And 00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.679 I could tell they really resonated with the songs. 00:44:56.219 --> 00:44:59.380 So it's super cool when that happens because 00:44:59.380 --> 00:45:02.360 I mean, I kind of have a mentality of set it 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:05.320 and forget it. try to pull a lot of care into 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.679 what I do and then release things and like hope 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.820 that people like listening to it. But I don't 00:45:10.820 --> 00:45:14.219 like I try not to like overthink what people 00:45:14.219 --> 00:45:16.840 actually how they're resonating with things. 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:19.019 So when they kind of come back to me and say 00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:21.800 something, I'm like, oh, wow, like they're listening. 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:26.000 It's like a surprise to me because I don't want 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.480 to like, you know, prescribe how people are going 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.320 to react to things. I kind of just like want 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:32.920 to see what happens. That's good that you're 00:45:33.500 --> 00:45:35.900 Also, like you said, you're probably not writing 00:45:35.900 --> 00:45:38.500 material and thinking, oh, man, I hope they like 00:45:38.500 --> 00:45:41.480 it. I hope this goes over. Well, you're not obsessing 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.099 so much. You just this is your art. This is your 00:45:44.099 --> 00:45:47.940 craft and you're putting it out there. Yeah, 00:45:47.940 --> 00:45:50.059 it's like it's kind of like a fine balance to 00:45:50.059 --> 00:45:53.460 you because when I am writing, I do think about 00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:56.840 how is a listener going to like think about this 00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:00.360 song? So because if I didn't want to entertain 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:03.179 someone else. then I wouldn't release the song. 00:46:03.260 --> 00:46:06.900 Like I would just write it for myself. But I 00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:09.619 think because I did a good amount of that for 00:46:09.619 --> 00:46:12.019 several years for myself, I kind of crossed the 00:46:12.019 --> 00:46:14.940 chasm and I was like, well, I might as well make 00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:16.699 this interesting for someone else. And I think 00:46:16.699 --> 00:46:18.119 that that's actually what makes you a better 00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.639 songwriter is when you can tap into that. And 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.940 so it's kind of like a little game that I play 00:46:23.940 --> 00:46:26.059 with myself when I'm writing. I'm like, oh, I 00:46:26.059 --> 00:46:28.599 could do this, or I could do this. And I change 00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:31.019 a lyric, or I change a melody. And then I kind 00:46:31.019 --> 00:46:33.199 of imagine, I'm like, is this kind of delighting 00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:34.760 me? Because if it's delighting me, it's probably 00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:38.719 going to delight someone else. So I do keep that 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.199 idea front and center when I'm writing. But once 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.579 I'm done with the song, then I'm not over analyzing 00:46:45.579 --> 00:46:47.760 it. Then it's just done. Because you have to 00:46:47.789 --> 00:46:50.050 Like at some point you just have to draw that 00:46:50.050 --> 00:46:52.730 line and you can't sit there and like feel bad 00:46:52.730 --> 00:46:54.670 about what you wrote three months ago Like you 00:46:54.670 --> 00:46:56.710 just have to like say that's what happened then 00:46:56.710 --> 00:47:02.130 and it's out and that's what it is Well you do 00:47:02.130 --> 00:47:04.809 you go back and listen to some of your recorded 00:47:04.809 --> 00:47:07.789 music Probably not just for pleasure like oh, 00:47:07.849 --> 00:47:10.489 I let me put on this track. I've been Writing 00:47:10.489 --> 00:47:12.570 it and recording it for months and years and 00:47:12.570 --> 00:47:14.969 let me hear it again But do you ever go back 00:47:14.969 --> 00:47:17.989 and listen to something like embers? Or the new 00:47:17.989 --> 00:47:21.409 the new single wait, or are you do you have the 00:47:21.409 --> 00:47:23.969 mindset of like you said once it's released and 00:47:23.969 --> 00:47:27.449 it's out there I'm promoting it and I hope everyone 00:47:27.449 --> 00:47:30.130 loves it, but I'm still creating and I'm in kind 00:47:30.130 --> 00:47:33.650 of in this area now um, I would say like when 00:47:33.650 --> 00:47:35.909 when a song comes out I definitely listen to 00:47:35.909 --> 00:47:40.289 it like the day it comes out and then also like 00:47:40.289 --> 00:47:42.030 people I know are listening to it, so I kind 00:47:42.030 --> 00:47:45.949 of hear it secondhand and then I'm also still 00:47:45.949 --> 00:47:48.630 singing my songs because like from performing 00:47:48.630 --> 00:47:51.389 and practicing them and stuff so in that sense 00:47:51.389 --> 00:47:55.510 I'm kind of they're always in my brain but I 00:47:55.510 --> 00:47:57.489 wouldn't say like I go out of my way to listen 00:47:57.489 --> 00:48:00.090 to them but I in the like case of my album that 00:48:00.090 --> 00:48:01.630 I'm putting together I'm still kind of going 00:48:01.630 --> 00:48:04.309 back to listen to them because I was figuring 00:48:04.309 --> 00:48:06.289 out like the order of the songs and so I'm like 00:48:06.289 --> 00:48:09.070 wait does this go good into the next song so 00:48:09.070 --> 00:48:11.469 I think like when I'm going back to listen it's 00:48:11.469 --> 00:48:15.380 more of just Because there's a reason behind 00:48:15.380 --> 00:48:18.260 it for whatever reason I don't necessarily put 00:48:18.260 --> 00:48:20.280 myself on and listen to myself during the day 00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:24.199 though Right. I do I've always been fascinated 00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.360 with how artists come up with a track listing 00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.260 and Decide okay. This is gonna be number two. 00:48:29.380 --> 00:48:32.559 This would be number four. I Asked a previous 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:34.820 guest that he said oh I used to do that myself 00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:36.579 and now I have people that help me with that 00:48:36.579 --> 00:48:39.079 and it's It's a it's a big deal that I don't 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.019 have to sweat Um, yeah, it's really stressful 00:48:43.019 --> 00:48:47.019 actually. And like, I've had to do a similar 00:48:47.019 --> 00:48:49.840 thing where I had to get a second opinion because 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.639 you just drive yourself crazy trying to figure 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.219 out the right, the right order and the right 00:48:55.219 --> 00:48:59.199 songs. And it's hard when you're not really, 00:48:59.960 --> 00:49:02.940 I mean, cause I'm, I'm biased as to what I'm 00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:05.920 hearing in my own songs at this point. So having 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:10.000 that second opinion is just so helpful. Now. 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.480 I mentioned Embers. This track, you've got the 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.639 radio edit and an acoustic version. Let's talk 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.219 about Embers. How did that song come together? 00:49:19.940 --> 00:49:22.960 This song came together also during the pandemic. 00:49:23.739 --> 00:49:26.960 It was very much a product of being stuck indoors 00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:32.360 in that long winter. And I wrote it from a songwriting 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.420 challenge where I had, I think, a bank of 10 00:49:35.420 --> 00:49:37.199 words that we were supposed to use in a song. 00:49:38.809 --> 00:49:43.650 I used all 10 words. So I think, I don't remember 00:49:43.650 --> 00:49:45.630 even what the words are. It's been so long, but 00:49:45.630 --> 00:49:47.650 I just remember I was like, can I make this work? 00:49:47.650 --> 00:49:49.530 And then it did work. And I was like, oh, this 00:49:49.530 --> 00:49:53.210 is kind of interesting. And I liked this idea 00:49:53.210 --> 00:49:56.929 of it feeling very woodsy and like campfire sort 00:49:56.929 --> 00:50:01.929 of thing. And then I ended up going on a trip 00:50:01.929 --> 00:50:04.150 with some friends to Tahoe here in California, 00:50:04.190 --> 00:50:06.550 which like we stayed in a cabin, played it for 00:50:06.550 --> 00:50:09.010 them. for the first time in that setting and 00:50:09.010 --> 00:50:12.349 they, they really liked it. And then I eventually, 00:50:12.349 --> 00:50:14.750 it was a song that rose to the top. So I got 00:50:14.750 --> 00:50:17.170 it produced, but when I got it produced, I kind 00:50:17.170 --> 00:50:19.630 of always knew I wanted an acoustic version because 00:50:19.630 --> 00:50:22.969 just like the way that the song is and like this 00:50:22.969 --> 00:50:24.829 memory of being with my friends at the cabin. 00:50:25.650 --> 00:50:29.349 So I decided to just produce both. And actually 00:50:29.349 --> 00:50:31.730 I produced the acoustic version myself, which 00:50:31.730 --> 00:50:36.820 I was super proud of. So it's the first. release 00:50:36.820 --> 00:50:40.019 that I've produced entirely on my own. Whereas 00:50:40.019 --> 00:50:42.159 a lot of my other songs, like I've produced a 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:44.000 demo and then worked with producers and then 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.480 they like elevated and really kind of catapult 00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:50.480 into the stratosphere. But this one was all me. 00:50:51.619 --> 00:50:53.900 Well, the end result is great. I like how you 00:50:53.900 --> 00:50:58.019 reach that higher end of your vocal range. The 00:50:58.019 --> 00:51:01.039 chorus, I'm going to keep you warm, but it chills 00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.699 me to the bone how I can't see myself without 00:51:03.699 --> 00:51:06.139 you. Going back to something like yesterday's 00:51:06.139 --> 00:51:09.139 story, I think this is very relatable. Whether 00:51:09.139 --> 00:51:12.800 you're your current love or a past love, you 00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:14.820 may have had that feeling before where you just 00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:19.340 realize, wow, I'm in deep. I'm thrilled about 00:51:19.340 --> 00:51:23.260 it, but I'm a little scared. Yeah, totally exciting. 00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.400 But yeah, I just love that chills me to the bone. 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.909 I can't see myself without you. Yeah, and then 00:51:29.909 --> 00:51:32.190 and like you said, there's two different versions 00:51:32.190 --> 00:51:35.190 speaking of production I want to put a plug kind 00:51:35.190 --> 00:51:37.130 of mid episode here and I'll probably I'll mention 00:51:37.130 --> 00:51:41.050 it as well in the show notes, but Everybody listening 00:51:41.050 --> 00:51:46.090 if you go to sounds like Danny Dan I calm the 00:51:46.090 --> 00:51:50.650 work with me tab You do production work songwriting 00:51:50.650 --> 00:51:53.329 for other artists vocals if someone's looking 00:51:53.329 --> 00:51:57.110 for a vocalist or vocal producer You do a lot 00:51:57.110 --> 00:52:01.260 more than Just write your own material. Yeah. 00:52:01.539 --> 00:52:04.079 So I have a little home studio that I'm sitting 00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:07.260 in right now and a setup. So it's actually where 00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:10.699 I record most of my vocals and over the years 00:52:10.699 --> 00:52:14.260 have picked up production skills as well. And 00:52:14.260 --> 00:52:17.420 try to do as much as I can at home within reason, 00:52:17.420 --> 00:52:20.019 because at some point you just have to involve 00:52:20.019 --> 00:52:23.579 other people. But yeah, I love, I love working 00:52:23.579 --> 00:52:27.920 out of this little space. Okay. I am. Super excited 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.639 that we've gotten to this question. I hope you 00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:35.659 are too The cover of don't you forget about me 00:52:35.659 --> 00:52:39.179 is Again, it's hard for me to pick a favorite. 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:41.980 I already disclosed yesterday's story is but 00:52:41.980 --> 00:52:45.260 this could very well be it I was playing this 00:52:45.260 --> 00:52:48.900 song in the car with my wife and Daniella we 00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:51.840 were about four seconds in if that and she said 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.159 oh, this is great I mean she turned and looked 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:58.099 at me like this kind of real jerky to the side 00:52:58.099 --> 00:53:02.900 just whoa, this is this is cool and It's has 00:53:02.900 --> 00:53:05.780 a very your version has a real transcendent feel 00:53:05.780 --> 00:53:10.139 to it There's a lot of experimentation it it 00:53:10.139 --> 00:53:12.340 kind of sounds like when you're in the studio 00:53:12.340 --> 00:53:14.960 there You had the mindset let's have fun with 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:17.380 this and let's just try some different things 00:53:17.380 --> 00:53:21.480 here. Let's make it Make it your own. It's very 00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:25.920 ambient in the beginning. I like the soft percussion 00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:28.579 Yeah, how did this song come together? Was this 00:53:28.579 --> 00:53:33.519 a personal favorite of yours? So this was like 00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:36.099 Such a happy accident. I actually can't take 00:53:36.099 --> 00:53:38.420 credit for the production though. It was another 00:53:38.420 --> 00:53:40.559 friend of mine named Christopher Christopher 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.559 Thomas and He's someone I met through. I don't 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:49.019 even remember where but local musician and He 00:53:49.019 --> 00:53:51.940 had me in mind. He was he kind of just created 00:53:51.940 --> 00:53:56.260 this the track and he needed vocals for it and 00:53:56.260 --> 00:53:59.699 he sent it over to me. And I had a similar knee 00:53:59.699 --> 00:54:02.800 jerk reaction in a positive way of, wow, this 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.639 sounds really cool. And I've always liked this 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:09.239 song. I don't know if you know the movie, The 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:12.280 Breakfast Club, but it's like the lead track. 00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.820 And so I've known it for a while and like, it 00:54:15.820 --> 00:54:18.559 just was such a cool spin on it. And I was like, 00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:20.599 yeah, I definitely want to do vocals on this. 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.829 And I really like how he blended the kind of 00:54:23.829 --> 00:54:26.570 acoustic instruments, but it still sounds super 00:54:26.570 --> 00:54:29.769 modern and like electronic and like kind of psychedelic 00:54:29.769 --> 00:54:33.690 at times. Right. So I was all about it and I 00:54:33.690 --> 00:54:36.750 just was trying to figure out a way to make it 00:54:36.750 --> 00:54:39.969 kind of like keep the cool energy of it. And 00:54:39.969 --> 00:54:44.510 so I did a lot of like vocal stacks, layers all 00:54:44.510 --> 00:54:47.849 over the place, especially in the chorus. And 00:54:47.849 --> 00:54:49.469 I don't know if you heard it, but it's like in 00:54:49.469 --> 00:54:52.460 the background vocals of the chorus. there's 00:54:52.460 --> 00:54:57.139 kind of like these vocals are just saying don't 00:54:57.139 --> 00:54:59.500 in the background. It's like a texture in a way. 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:03.280 Yeah. Yeah. I really wanted to make the chorus 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.460 sound a little different. So I kind of like, 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.940 it's a slower, we slowed the song down. So I 00:55:09.940 --> 00:55:12.480 wanted to make sure that energy was still fun. 00:55:12.699 --> 00:55:15.619 And so I added those extra layers in the chorus, 00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:18.480 which I think like just kind of doubled down 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:22.469 on the whole psychedelic ambient vibe. Yeah, 00:55:22.469 --> 00:55:24.909 and I think it really it finishes very strong 00:55:24.909 --> 00:55:30.530 with the La la la la it's What the drums kick 00:55:30.530 --> 00:55:32.949 in and it just kind of locks you in for the rest 00:55:32.949 --> 00:55:37.230 of the ride This is another repeat track. I think 00:55:37.980 --> 00:55:40.719 Yeah, this was a really fun one to release and 00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.019 it was actually a really successful release. 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:46.239 And I think like it was fun for me because usually 00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:48.920 I'm releasing and seeing people react to my songs. 00:55:49.420 --> 00:55:51.980 And this was like, it's obviously a song almost 00:55:51.980 --> 00:55:54.679 everyone knows. So it was more like they were 00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:57.159 reacting to our version of the song, which was 00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.039 super fun. And like, I think people gravitated 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:01.920 towards it immediately because they already knew 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:06.119 the song and that helps. Now when you perform 00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:09.139 live like like you did yesterday as for recording 00:56:09.139 --> 00:56:11.559 this What are some other songs that you like 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:14.159 to play that are they're not originals? do you 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.059 have some that you really enjoy and they really 00:56:16.059 --> 00:56:19.280 go over well and Maybe you're not gonna record 00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:23.679 them But maybe so do you have any songs that 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.480 you just love to play? Yeah, I kind of them all 00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:30.280 over the place. I try to make my life set a little 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:33.539 bit I have variety, you know, slow songs, upbeat 00:56:33.539 --> 00:56:37.079 songs. Currently mostly it's just an acoustic 00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.179 set with me and a piano player. So we try to 00:56:40.179 --> 00:56:42.719 like do interesting stuff if we can, just the 00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.420 two of us. But like one I've been singing recently 00:56:46.420 --> 00:56:50.059 that's been really fun is the song, Crazy by 00:56:50.059 --> 00:56:52.679 Norolds Barkley. That one's been really fun. 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:57.219 I recently added the Billie Eilish song, What 00:56:57.219 --> 00:57:00.210 Was I Made For to my set. which is from the Barbie 00:57:00.210 --> 00:57:04.909 movie. So kind of average and continuing to add. 00:57:04.989 --> 00:57:07.210 I mean, there's always like Taylor Swift songs, 00:57:07.429 --> 00:57:10.190 just still a huge inspiration. I try to like 00:57:10.190 --> 00:57:12.449 add like songs that I like, artists that I like, 00:57:12.530 --> 00:57:15.750 but also popular songs because, you know, having 00:57:15.750 --> 00:57:20.590 people know the songs is always exciting. And 00:57:20.590 --> 00:57:23.750 while we were talking about Embers and then the 00:57:23.750 --> 00:57:26.010 cover of Don't You Forget About Me, I did mean 00:57:26.010 --> 00:57:35.030 to mention Vince Magazine described Ember's as... 00:57:35.030 --> 00:57:43.829 Which I really like. That's my commentary. And 00:57:43.829 --> 00:57:55.409 then the reimagined modern and edgy cover of 00:57:55.409 --> 00:57:58.420 Don't You Forget About Me. where she brings a 00:57:58.420 --> 00:58:03.059 surprising new wave cinematic twist in her classically 00:58:03.059 --> 00:58:06.820 angelic vocals. There's a descriptor I didn't 00:58:06.820 --> 00:58:10.260 use, but angelic. That's lofty praise, and I 00:58:10.260 --> 00:58:12.300 can't disagree with it. I would put, you know, 00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.800 your style is in that realm. It's just, you know, 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:17.900 you go back to like we were talking about the 00:58:17.900 --> 00:58:21.280 new single Wait. It's at times very reassuring, 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.219 I think, for a listener, for someone that needs 00:58:24.219 --> 00:58:27.940 to hear something like that. surprise people, 00:58:27.940 --> 00:58:30.099 I think, the more they listen to your music, 00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:33.019 where you take them to different ends of the 00:58:33.019 --> 00:58:36.820 spectrum. Thanks. Yeah, it is fun. It's fun for 00:58:36.820 --> 00:58:39.619 me, too, to see the like sometimes I'm so focused 00:58:39.619 --> 00:58:42.019 on like the one song I'm working on that day. 00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:44.739 But when I reflect back, I'm like, oh, yeah, 00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:48.619 I did do a lot of different things. It's fun 00:58:48.619 --> 00:58:51.679 to push. It's also fun to push myself. I think 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:54.460 it would be super boring if I was just doing 00:58:54.460 --> 00:58:57.849 same thing all the time. I can't wait to see 00:58:57.849 --> 00:59:01.150 the evolution of your sound because I'm a fan 00:59:01.150 --> 00:59:03.429 now. I really like what you're doing and I'll 00:59:03.429 --> 00:59:07.070 continue to follow it as well. I've got a few 00:59:07.070 --> 00:59:09.650 just general questions for fun. I always like 00:59:09.650 --> 00:59:13.269 to plug in some here at the end. Sure. We mentioned 00:59:13.269 --> 00:59:15.489 some of your influences. Do you have some artists 00:59:15.489 --> 00:59:18.230 right now that you like? And it could be some 00:59:18.230 --> 00:59:20.909 that are right now as well as some that you've 00:59:20.909 --> 00:59:23.710 been listening to for 10 or more years and just 00:59:23.710 --> 00:59:27.820 love everything they do. Yeah, of course. Well, 00:59:27.940 --> 00:59:30.000 Taylor Swift is definitely up there and I've 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.659 been following her 10 plus years, Mark, especially 00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:35.539 for the songwriting inspiration because she's 00:59:35.539 --> 00:59:38.619 just a wizard. So I'm always listening to her. 00:59:38.699 --> 00:59:41.280 And then there's another artist that I really 00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:43.320 love that I've liked for a long time. He's more 00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:47.639 of a DJ producer kind of in the EDM realm. But 00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.619 he has a new album out called Existential Dance 00:59:50.619 --> 00:59:54.869 Music. Highly recommend checking his music out. 00:59:54.869 --> 00:59:57.590 It's super calming I mean, there's some upbeat 00:59:57.590 --> 01:00:00.829 stuff in there too, but it's really nice to listen 01:00:00.829 --> 01:00:05.130 to and Are you a fan of films documentaries? 01:00:05.130 --> 01:00:08.110 Is there stuff that where you say? Okay, it's 01:00:08.110 --> 01:00:10.849 1045 at night. I gotta go to bed in about 20 01:00:10.849 --> 01:00:13.750 minutes. I Gotta stop. I gotta watch something 01:00:13.750 --> 01:00:17.269 for me. I gotta have some me time. Is there Something 01:00:17.269 --> 01:00:20.559 that you're watching or digging right now Yeah, 01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:23.159 there's this show that me and my partner are 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:26.059 watching called The Fall right now. It's on, 01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:28.920 I think it's on Amazon Prime. But it's not like 01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:30.679 the best show to watch at night because it's 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.980 like a murder mystery type thing. But it's interesting 01:00:33.980 --> 01:00:36.420 because we went to Ireland last year and it takes 01:00:36.420 --> 01:00:38.760 place in Belfast. And so when we came back, we're 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:40.980 like, oh, let's try to watch something that's 01:00:40.980 --> 01:00:43.559 like on Irish TV. But it's, yeah, it's one of 01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.219 those kind of thrillery type things. And we've 01:00:46.219 --> 01:00:48.960 been having a blast watching that many things. 01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:54.179 And in San Francisco, in the Bay Area, do you 01:00:54.179 --> 01:00:57.780 have places, like if someone hasn't been there, 01:00:57.780 --> 01:01:00.239 I haven't been there in a long time, but I have 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:03.420 been to San Francisco, places that you really 01:01:03.420 --> 01:01:06.619 like or a plug for a restaurant or something 01:01:06.619 --> 01:01:10.900 that you recommend? Ooh, that's a hard one. I'm 01:01:10.900 --> 01:01:13.139 a total foodie, but I really have trouble with 01:01:13.139 --> 01:01:16.480 favorites. Well, I'm in the East Bay in Hayward, 01:01:16.739 --> 01:01:19.579 and... I recently moved here, but there's a lot 01:01:19.579 --> 01:01:22.659 of really good Mexican food in Hayward. So even 01:01:22.659 --> 01:01:25.539 just down the street, I honestly go to the Mexican 01:01:25.539 --> 01:01:28.639 grocery store and just get burrito there because 01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:30.860 they have a taqueria in there. It's called Chavez. 01:01:31.699 --> 01:01:34.139 And that's like one of my favorite spots to go 01:01:34.139 --> 01:01:37.639 to. Nice. But I mean, there's a lot of good food 01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:39.260 all over the Bay Area. It just kind of depends 01:01:39.260 --> 01:01:42.780 on on what you want and where I would say where 01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:46.280 you are. OK. You'll have to forgive me on this 01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:47.980 question, because I haven't pulled this one out 01:01:47.980 --> 01:01:51.739 of the bag in a few months. If you want to take 01:01:51.739 --> 01:01:55.699 a pass on it, that's OK. But if you could be 01:01:55.699 --> 01:02:02.119 a bird or a fish for just one day, and there's 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:05.059 a chance, there's some danger there of you choose 01:02:05.059 --> 01:02:07.360 one and something catches you, something eats 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.880 you, and then that's it. Which one would you 01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:16.599 go with? I think I would go with a bird, which 01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:18.960 is weird because I'm kind of a water person, 01:02:18.980 --> 01:02:21.519 but I think I just want to fly, so I would go 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.619 with a bird. Yeah, I have dreams about flying. 01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:26.940 Those are some of the most fun. I don't know. 01:02:27.219 --> 01:02:30.059 I have them, I would say regularly, but when 01:02:30.059 --> 01:02:32.039 they happen, I'm like, oh, this is great. Do 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:34.139 you ever have dreams where you think, oh, this 01:02:34.139 --> 01:02:37.219 is everyone who dreams, sometimes you have boring 01:02:37.219 --> 01:02:39.880 dreams or dreams that make absolutely no sense. 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:42.250 And then you have the ones that are not. a lot 01:02:42.250 --> 01:02:45.389 of fun for whatever reason but the flight dreams 01:02:45.389 --> 01:02:48.889 I'm just when it happens I vividly check into 01:02:48.889 --> 01:02:52.590 it and think oh wow here we go I've been waiting 01:02:52.590 --> 01:02:56.349 to have this dream again yeah totally I mean 01:02:56.349 --> 01:02:58.309 sometimes I have those dreams and then I wake 01:02:58.309 --> 01:03:00.250 up and then I know I'm dreaming but I just go 01:03:00.250 --> 01:03:02.170 back to dreaming anyways because I'm like I want 01:03:02.170 --> 01:03:07.869 to go back to flying well this has been so much 01:03:07.869 --> 01:03:11.900 fun and I'm just so excited to promote you your 01:03:11.900 --> 01:03:15.340 music, your catalog. I just realized we didn't 01:03:15.340 --> 01:03:18.219 cover Sirens, the collaboration that you did 01:03:18.219 --> 01:03:21.139 with Orleans. I mean, that one's definitely a 01:03:21.139 --> 01:03:23.639 fun one. That was actually my first single. And 01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:25.340 it was really fun to do that with someone else 01:03:25.340 --> 01:03:27.119 because I was still figuring everything out at 01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:31.159 the time. But he basically sent me the track 01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:34.199 without any lyrics or vocals or anything. It 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:38.760 was just the production. And then I basically 01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:43.260 wrote the vocal like the whole top line and saying 01:03:43.260 --> 01:03:44.920 it and we kind of went back and forth a little 01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:47.860 bit but it was really cool it was one of my first 01:03:47.860 --> 01:03:50.400 times doing that where someone kind of sent me 01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:54.320 a track and then I just figured out what the 01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:58.019 lyrics were going to be and had a lot of fun 01:03:58.019 --> 01:04:00.440 doing it I mean I'm into a lot of electronic 01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.400 music and so it was cool to have a producer who 01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:05.380 actually knew how to make that because I don't 01:04:05.380 --> 01:04:08.309 really know how to make that kind of music And 01:04:08.309 --> 01:04:09.829 then just kind of try to write something that 01:04:09.829 --> 01:04:13.469 made sense to the music that was already existing 01:04:13.469 --> 01:04:16.429 Well that that's one that I think it was one 01:04:16.429 --> 01:04:19.250 of the first songs I listened to and Everyone 01:04:19.250 --> 01:04:22.750 listening here We're promoting wait, please. 01:04:22.789 --> 01:04:25.469 Try that one out. I think you're gonna like everything 01:04:25.469 --> 01:04:28.949 you really could just pick one and even if you're 01:04:28.949 --> 01:04:32.369 listening to my show and You're just some hardened 01:04:32.369 --> 01:04:36.329 dude that likes Dan time and you've got you know, 01:04:36.530 --> 01:04:39.219 whatever music that you're not going to break 01:04:39.219 --> 01:04:43.659 from. You've got your partner, you've got somebody 01:04:43.659 --> 01:04:46.539 in your family, somebody you work with. I want 01:04:46.539 --> 01:04:50.099 you to tell them about Daniela Galasso. But I 01:04:50.099 --> 01:04:54.099 really do try to open up people's minds and show 01:04:54.099 --> 01:04:57.780 to them that what's being presented to you, what's 01:04:57.780 --> 01:05:00.920 coming across your peripheral, it's not everything. 01:05:01.139 --> 01:05:03.880 There's stuff out there that you'll be surprised 01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:06.599 how much it speaks to you and how much you want 01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:10.969 to put it on repeat. Also want to put in a plug 01:05:10.969 --> 01:05:16.769 here. Daniela has appeared on the podcast, Right 01:05:16.769 --> 01:05:21.070 On Track, a songwriting podcast on the June 12th, 01:05:21.110 --> 01:05:24.730 2022 episode, Cultivating the Artist's Voice. 01:05:25.269 --> 01:05:28.530 Give that one a listen. And Daniela's music is 01:05:28.530 --> 01:05:32.369 available on all platforms. And please visit 01:05:32.369 --> 01:05:35.420 her website as well. sign up for her newsletter, 01:05:35.579 --> 01:05:39.380 follow her on the socials. If they're on Instagram 01:05:39.380 --> 01:05:42.880 and YouTube, how do they find you? Yeah. So my 01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:46.599 Instagram is just sounds like Danny and that's 01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:51.099 D -A -N -I. And then, um, otherwise pretty much 01:05:51.099 --> 01:05:54.940 everything else is under my full name. So Daniela 01:05:54.940 --> 01:06:00.559 Galasso, one L and both names. And that's how 01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:02.840 you can find my music or my YouTube channel. 01:06:04.010 --> 01:06:07.170 Well, this has been so much fun. I I hope that 01:06:07.170 --> 01:06:10.809 you've enjoyed it as much as I have Yeah, thank 01:06:10.809 --> 01:06:15.150 you. This was fun and Remember everybody if you 01:06:15.150 --> 01:06:20.110 go go out to Danny's website the new EP is exploring 01:06:20.110 --> 01:06:24.230 the idea of beauty and vulnerability And that's 01:06:24.230 --> 01:06:26.510 be that's for everybody There's some people who 01:06:26.510 --> 01:06:29.789 do not like to embrace those feelings and allow 01:06:29.789 --> 01:06:32.349 themselves to be vulnerable, but I'm telling 01:06:32.349 --> 01:06:35.309 you It's one of the better things you can do 01:06:35.309 --> 01:06:39.949 really at any point in your life. And tap into 01:06:39.949 --> 01:06:44.389 the Daniela Glosso sound and follow her on socials. 01:06:44.750 --> 01:06:47.449 Anything else you want to plug before we wrap 01:06:47.449 --> 01:06:50.869 it up here? No, I think we covered a lot. It 01:06:50.869 --> 01:06:53.849 was so great chatting with you and I look forward 01:06:53.849 --> 01:06:56.090 to seeing what else you bring onto the show. 01:06:56.670 --> 01:07:00.010 Absolutely. And if I ask this question, it means 01:07:00.010 --> 01:07:03.860 that I really I think that there's some value 01:07:03.860 --> 01:07:07.179 here in bringing you back. Would you, this time 01:07:07.179 --> 01:07:09.920 next year, come back to the Dan Time podcast 01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:12.079 to talk about what you're working on at that 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:16.739 time? Yeah, sure. I'd love to. All right, folks. 01:07:17.340 --> 01:07:20.860 Well, have a great rest of the week. Make sure 01:07:20.860 --> 01:07:24.639 to check into your well -being, your mental health. 01:07:24.980 --> 01:07:28.119 If you need help, it's out there. I'm only putting 01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:30.800 that plug in because and I don't ever talk about 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:33.199 this But I've had somebody reach out to me in 01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:36.440 the past week who's really struggling and it's 01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:39.340 it's a little bit over my head and if you've 01:07:39.340 --> 01:07:41.780 got somebody like that or if if you're going 01:07:41.780 --> 01:07:43.980 through some stuff there are resources for you 01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:50.059 out there, but check out Danielle Colasso and 01:07:50.059 --> 01:07:53.659 enlighten yourself and if you're looking for 01:07:53.659 --> 01:07:57.989 a vocal producer or songwriter please contact 01:07:57.989 --> 01:08:01.809 Daniella on that end as well. Thanks everybody. 01:08:02.130 --> 01:08:04.610 We'll see you next week on the Dan Time Podcast. 01:08:05.030 --> 01:08:07.829 Thank you so much, Daniella. Thank you.