WEBVTT 00:00:04.319 --> 00:00:07.759 All right. Welcome to the latest episode of the 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:12.039 Dan Time podcast, number 15. I'm your host, Dan 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:15.099 McCardell. I always say something similar, as 00:00:15.099 --> 00:00:17.780 you know, in this spot, but it's truly good to 00:00:17.780 --> 00:00:20.920 be speaking to you today. I've been well under 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:23.239 the weather. Let's just put it that way for a 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.679 couple of weeks. And my voice has suffered as 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:29.839 a result. So with these episodes spaced a week 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:33.939 apart, I've been able to focus on my recovery. 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:37.820 and get a serviceable version of me presented 00:00:37.820 --> 00:00:42.359 to you today. Make sure you take care of yourself 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:45.340 as best you can this winter. I'm going to keep 00:00:45.340 --> 00:00:49.380 it vague, but you know, there's some junk out 00:00:49.380 --> 00:00:53.320 there just ready to plant itself in you and take 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:57.539 you down. Try not to let that happen. Sometimes 00:00:57.539 --> 00:01:00.659 you just can't do anything about it, but there's 00:01:00.659 --> 00:01:03.969 your advice. Okay, for those of you paying attention, 00:01:04.629 --> 00:01:06.769 there was no Friday challenge on the socials 00:01:06.769 --> 00:01:10.129 this week. I'm sure I disappointed dozens of 00:01:10.129 --> 00:01:13.530 people, but it actually gave me time to rethink 00:01:13.530 --> 00:01:17.310 the concept. I may come back and rebrand it as 00:01:17.310 --> 00:01:21.030 more of a Friday check -in, but it won't be, 00:01:21.170 --> 00:01:23.150 hey, here's what I've been up to, this is what 00:01:23.150 --> 00:01:25.290 I've been doing this week. If you want to hear 00:01:25.290 --> 00:01:28.930 me talk about me, the best chance... probably 00:01:28.930 --> 00:01:32.010 in this intro or to get deep into an episode, 00:01:32.489 --> 00:01:35.109 depending on the flow of the conversation. So 00:01:35.109 --> 00:01:38.349 the Friday challenge thing will still be some 00:01:38.349 --> 00:01:41.590 prodding, some suggestions for you and sure, 00:01:41.730 --> 00:01:45.430 some challenges from time to time. Okay, folks, 00:01:45.730 --> 00:01:50.489 my guest today, Dan Thomas. Dan Thomas, where 00:01:50.489 --> 00:01:53.469 do I begin? How do I properly introduce this 00:01:53.469 --> 00:01:56.170 guy? I know you don't know him yet, but you're 00:01:56.170 --> 00:01:59.159 going to love what we dive into here. First of 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.599 all, I'm just going to say Dan Thomas is a man 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.680 with a giant heart, a big, big heart. He loves 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:08.300 what he does. And dare I say he loves connecting 00:02:08.300 --> 00:02:11.780 with his audience. He believes in the good of 00:02:11.780 --> 00:02:16.080 people. And Dan Thomas truly makes it fun to 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.659 follow Dan Thomas music. Look him up on Facebook, 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.000 on Instagram. And if you connect with the songs, 00:02:23.099 --> 00:02:26.099 you're going to love the material on those pages. 00:02:26.620 --> 00:02:28.900 Now, once you get past him just being a real 00:02:28.900 --> 00:02:32.159 likable guy, you get to the music, get to the 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:34.699 meat of it. I'm so fortunate that I landed on 00:02:34.699 --> 00:02:37.719 his page. I heard the songs, I reached out, made 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:40.680 the connection and got the buy -in on his part 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:45.740 to do the Dan Time podcast. Dan's songs are deep. 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:48.539 They're heavy. They will grab you. You're going 00:02:48.539 --> 00:02:50.539 to go to a place that maybe you haven't been 00:02:50.539 --> 00:02:53.219 to in a while. Maybe you're not sure you want 00:02:53.219 --> 00:02:56.270 to go there. but these are some deeply introspective 00:02:56.270 --> 00:03:00.090 songs that touch on heartbreak, self -reflection, 00:03:00.750 --> 00:03:04.830 relationship turmoil, and also profound grief. 00:03:05.409 --> 00:03:08.530 But there are also songs, such as All the World's 00:03:08.530 --> 00:03:11.330 a Stage, that encourage the listener to quote, 00:03:11.629 --> 00:03:14.110 get outside your head and see the world for a 00:03:14.110 --> 00:03:17.550 while. Dan was so gracious with his time. This 00:03:17.550 --> 00:03:20.169 is a far -reaching conversation. We have some 00:03:20.169 --> 00:03:23.310 laughs, of course we do, but we also get real. 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.419 and we sit on some topics and we explore. And 00:03:27.419 --> 00:03:30.659 I so admire how Dan is willing to confront all 00:03:30.659 --> 00:03:33.539 these different emotions in his songs and open 00:03:33.539 --> 00:03:36.719 himself up for the world to see. There are lots 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.979 of chances to see Dan perform in December. If 00:03:39.979 --> 00:03:43.340 you live in the UK, Germany, the Netherlands, 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:46.460 Luxembourg, be sure to go to DanThomasMusic, 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.379 like and follow his page and you can see his 00:03:49.379 --> 00:03:53.189 tour dates on the cover page. And just announced 00:03:53.189 --> 00:03:57.509 coming September, 2024, Dan Thomas will be performing 00:03:57.509 --> 00:04:01.370 in the U S and Canada. Can't wait to see what 00:04:01.370 --> 00:04:04.150 dates materialize there. If you listen to the 00:04:04.150 --> 00:04:06.509 show and you live in one of these countries and 00:04:06.509 --> 00:04:10.069 you go see Dan Thomas perform, number one, go 00:04:10.069 --> 00:04:13.889 say hi to the guy. Number two, drop me a note. 00:04:14.069 --> 00:04:17.170 I will have a special Dan time one of a kind 00:04:17.170 --> 00:04:20.490 piece of memorabilia just for you. I promise 00:04:20.490 --> 00:04:24.959 you that. Okay, the social media pages, at DanThomasSolo 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:30.740 on Instagram, DanThomasMusic on YouTube, danthomassolo 00:04:30.740 --> 00:04:35.620 .com is the website, and DanThomasMusic on Facebook. 00:04:36.420 --> 00:04:39.939 There is a video component to this episode. Now, 00:04:39.939 --> 00:04:42.300 it won't be released at the same time as you're 00:04:42.300 --> 00:04:45.040 hearing the audio version, but stay tuned as 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:48.339 I will be uploading the unedited video version 00:04:48.339 --> 00:04:52.410 to YouTube Gets a little wacky. That's all I'll 00:04:52.410 --> 00:04:56.889 say just some unexpected Diversions on my part. 00:04:57.410 --> 00:05:01.810 That's all I'll say but stay tuned for the video 00:05:01.810 --> 00:05:05.230 companion piece All right, without further ado. 00:05:05.230 --> 00:05:08.850 Let's get right to it folks. It is Dan Thomas 00:05:08.850 --> 00:05:12.509 time Dan this is I feel like I've known you for 00:05:12.509 --> 00:05:15.610 at least a couple years just our preliminary 00:05:15.610 --> 00:05:18.829 conversation here I'm having a ball just chatting 00:05:18.829 --> 00:05:21.810 you up right now Uh, the folks at home or listening 00:05:21.810 --> 00:05:23.250 wherever you're listening, if you're going for 00:05:23.250 --> 00:05:26.709 a jog, if you're on, uh, if you're in your car, 00:05:27.310 --> 00:05:32.149 Dan Thomas, where do I begin here? Dan, you asked 00:05:32.149 --> 00:05:35.230 me, and I would have been curious as well when 00:05:35.230 --> 00:05:39.129 we were confirming our time schedules. Hey, Dan. 00:05:39.170 --> 00:05:42.310 Oh, by the way, where did you discover me? And 00:05:42.310 --> 00:05:46.910 I said, well, I ran a Google search on Dan and 00:05:46.910 --> 00:05:51.149 musician or Dan songwriter. and I landed on your 00:05:51.149 --> 00:05:54.949 website and I was a couple tracks in and I thought 00:05:54.949 --> 00:05:58.029 I've got to at least reach out to this guy because 00:05:58.029 --> 00:06:00.389 again, some people assume that I just contact 00:06:00.389 --> 00:06:03.610 anybody and that's not true. If I see a story 00:06:03.610 --> 00:06:07.250 there or I see something original that I just 00:06:07.250 --> 00:06:09.009 think would be a great guest and someone that 00:06:09.009 --> 00:06:12.370 would be very appealing and inspirational to 00:06:12.370 --> 00:06:15.550 my listeners, I at least take a shot. So Dan, 00:06:15.689 --> 00:06:18.089 just thank you for making time for the podcast 00:06:18.089 --> 00:06:21.839 today. Thank you for that that very flattering 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:24.600 introduction and yeah I did I did laugh when 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.399 I got your email that said I googled Dan and 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.360 musician that really did I that gave me a chuckle 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:34.240 I enjoyed that but no thank you for reaching 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.220 out it's a the fun thing is that when I first 00:06:38.220 --> 00:06:41.180 got your email like I've spent I've been doing 00:06:41.180 --> 00:06:44.149 this for a little while now and Anytime I see 00:06:44.149 --> 00:06:47.870 emails, anything that resemble that at all, for 00:06:47.870 --> 00:06:50.550 the longest time they're not, they're not really, 00:06:50.810 --> 00:06:52.689 you can tell that they're not really addressed 00:06:52.689 --> 00:06:55.810 to you and they're quite generic and so I'm kind 00:06:55.810 --> 00:06:58.149 of used to sort of seeing those and feeling like, 00:06:58.410 --> 00:07:00.430 yeah, this isn't someone who actually wants to 00:07:00.430 --> 00:07:02.529 interview me. But then I actually looked and 00:07:02.529 --> 00:07:05.930 saw, okay, no, he's, he is addressing me by name. 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:08.899 Like there are details in there. So i'm just 00:07:08.899 --> 00:07:11.740 about getting to that stage at my of my career 00:07:11.740 --> 00:07:16.199 now if I can call it that Where i'm getting genuine 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:18.399 offers to come and do these sorts of things and 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:20.540 like oh, that's nice So i'm still not used to 00:07:20.540 --> 00:07:22.819 it. So I still looked at the emails like hmm 00:07:22.819 --> 00:07:25.139 I don't know. Let me let me look into this guy. 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.480 Let me see see his podcast like oh, it's a it's 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:30.620 a real podcast Yep, this is this is legit. All 00:07:30.620 --> 00:07:32.500 right, i'll i'll email him back i'll see what 00:07:32.500 --> 00:07:35.500 happens and uh, yeah i'm glad I did because Like 00:07:35.500 --> 00:07:38.259 you said up top, the, uh, the conversation so 00:07:38.259 --> 00:07:42.459 far has been what we would call sparkling. Well, 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.259 we both have small children. And so we had, um, 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:47.839 some very relatable. We had a very relatable 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:51.920 discussion about that. And Dan, when I, when 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:54.819 I first visited your site and I always like to 00:07:54.819 --> 00:07:57.060 check, you know, if somebody at least has their 00:07:57.060 --> 00:07:59.600 music out there for download, that's important 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:01.180 too, because I want to be able to promote it. 00:08:01.620 --> 00:08:05.100 So, uh, you can find Dan Thomas. on Spotify, 00:08:05.500 --> 00:08:09.699 Apple Music, wherever you find on any streaming 00:08:09.699 --> 00:08:12.579 platform. The artwork really jumped out at me. 00:08:12.660 --> 00:08:15.980 I thought, well, that's really neat and an original. 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.800 And it's really eye catching. And then when I 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:22.480 jumped into some of the tracks here, I think 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:25.399 in particular, loving you ain't fun anymore. 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:29.579 This is on this is on the latest release. I thought 00:08:29.579 --> 00:08:36.330 and I thought is Dan. Peering into my past it 00:08:36.330 --> 00:08:39.570 feels like he's describing a relationship a relationship 00:08:39.570 --> 00:08:43.230 to the tea and Then I got to ghost in the mirror 00:08:43.230 --> 00:08:47.610 I mean that one really hit me deep and they I 00:08:47.610 --> 00:08:48.870 feel like there's something for everyone here 00:08:48.870 --> 00:08:54.649 Dan What I like about your music is It's introspective 00:08:54.649 --> 00:08:57.870 But you you go to places that some songwriters 00:08:57.870 --> 00:09:01.129 don't quite go that they don't quite go that 00:09:01.129 --> 00:09:05.639 far and And these are subjects that are near 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:08.039 and dear to people. They are deep in their minds, 00:09:08.100 --> 00:09:11.080 deep in their conscience. And it may be some 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:12.580 things they don't want to think about anymore. 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.600 But I think it's healthy to address some of this 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.299 stuff. And without me rambling too much more, 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.879 take me through your songwriting and how some 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:22.799 of these songs like these come out. You know, 00:09:22.860 --> 00:09:24.899 Lovin' You Ain't Fun Anymore, The Darkness in 00:09:24.899 --> 00:09:27.159 Me. I watched that video. It took me back to 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:30.320 that time period and the isolation, which I think 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.860 is still relevant to some people today. Take 00:09:33.860 --> 00:09:38.980 me through some of your creative process. For 00:09:38.980 --> 00:09:41.379 those of you who are watching the video version 00:09:41.379 --> 00:09:43.840 of this, you can see there's a small white door 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:48.000 behind me. And after that very glowing set of 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.600 reviews from the wonderful Mr. McArdle here, 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.299 I don't know if I'll be able to get my head through 00:09:52.299 --> 00:09:55.539 that door anymore. So thank you very much for 00:09:55.539 --> 00:10:04.009 all of that. Writing process. With me, The key 00:10:04.009 --> 00:10:08.909 thing for me is to find a hook, like a melodic 00:10:08.909 --> 00:10:11.549 hook with the vocal. When I'm sitting down to 00:10:11.549 --> 00:10:14.549 write, it varies, but the general trend has been 00:10:14.549 --> 00:10:17.730 that I will have a guitar in hand and I'll just 00:10:17.730 --> 00:10:20.029 play around trying to find a chord sequence that 00:10:20.029 --> 00:10:23.629 I like, just to see if I feel like there's something 00:10:23.629 --> 00:10:27.029 I can work with. Then once I've got that, I'll 00:10:27.029 --> 00:10:30.529 just hum or just make like phonetic noises just 00:10:30.529 --> 00:10:33.100 to... to see if I can find a tune that I like, 00:10:33.340 --> 00:10:36.659 but once I've found that melodic hook, like a 00:10:36.659 --> 00:10:39.860 good example is in the song Holding On To You, 00:10:40.220 --> 00:10:43.399 when I kind of came up with that, and I'm holding 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.460 on to that, that melody, I was like, okay, yep, 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:51.679 that's something. It's not there yet, but that's 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:53.679 an idea that's worth chasing. And then once I've 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:56.220 got that, that's when you kind of develop... 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.559 for me you develop what the melody is going to 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.700 be and then you write the lyrics and then you 00:11:01.700 --> 00:11:05.000 kind of massage the two together to see how it 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:07.759 works. Sometimes the lyrics end up influencing 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.019 the way that the melody goes like it changes 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:13.559 it a little bit and then sometimes the lyrics 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:15.860 just I spend time just going no the melody has 00:11:15.860 --> 00:11:18.559 to be that the lyrics have to fit here so it's 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.340 a case of trying to chop things and get syllables 00:11:22.340 --> 00:11:26.190 out in places and then eventually it feels right. 00:11:26.409 --> 00:11:29.070 Sometimes it's a really quick thing and sometimes 00:11:29.070 --> 00:11:32.009 it takes absolutely forever and sometimes there 00:11:32.009 --> 00:11:35.169 are songs that have been in the works for years 00:11:35.169 --> 00:11:38.289 and they still haven't found their right, their 00:11:38.289 --> 00:11:41.269 final format. The interesting thing you mentioned 00:11:41.269 --> 00:11:43.610 Ghost in the Mirror that started life as a rock 00:11:43.610 --> 00:11:47.029 song that was very kind of that melody was very 00:11:47.029 --> 00:11:55.490 uh but me and my producer kept looking at recording 00:11:55.490 --> 00:12:00.330 that one and then it never we were never entirely 00:12:00.330 --> 00:12:03.110 happy with how it sounded and then i started 00:12:03.110 --> 00:12:05.470 playing with uh because i really love Fleetwood 00:12:05.470 --> 00:12:08.129 Mac and i like the like the Lindsay Buckingham 00:12:08.129 --> 00:12:10.950 era Fleetwood Mac because Lindsay Buckingham 00:12:10.950 --> 00:12:16.059 is an incredible guitarist And I wanted to I 00:12:16.059 --> 00:12:18.159 really love the song landslide that Stevie Nicks 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:21.039 wrote with him playing guitar. And you've got 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.360 that finger picking pattern. And up until that 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:27.340 point, I and still I still am to a degree like 00:12:27.340 --> 00:12:29.840 I've not been like a finger picky guitarist. 00:12:29.899 --> 00:12:32.500 I'm more like a I'm a strummer with a plectrum. 00:12:33.019 --> 00:12:35.639 But I thought I really want to learn that song 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.460 and play it properly. And so there's a there's 00:12:38.460 --> 00:12:41.539 a picking style called a Travis picking. I think 00:12:41.539 --> 00:12:43.639 it's named after an old country guitarist named 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:50.000 Merle Travis. And it involves like your thumb 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.960 going between two bass strings and then your 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:55.500 index finger and your middle finger like picking 00:12:55.500 --> 00:12:59.019 two higher notes which when you get it to speed 00:12:59.019 --> 00:13:00.840 comes up gets with that if you're familiar with 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:06.080 the song landslide it goes there like that very 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:09.149 kind of going between the notes in a really like 00:13:09.149 --> 00:13:11.529 beautiful, wavy kind of sound. And I thought, 00:13:11.710 --> 00:13:13.230 I really, really, really want to learn how to 00:13:13.230 --> 00:13:15.649 play that. And I finally managed to crack that. 00:13:15.690 --> 00:13:17.870 And then I sat down with Ghost in the Mirror 00:13:17.870 --> 00:13:20.549 and I wonder what that sounds like with that 00:13:20.549 --> 00:13:23.669 kind of with that kind of playing to it. And 00:13:23.669 --> 00:13:25.669 it just completely transformed how the songs 00:13:25.669 --> 00:13:28.409 sound. And I immediately called my producer and 00:13:28.409 --> 00:13:30.509 said, Martin, I've got something I need. We need 00:13:30.509 --> 00:13:34.590 to do this. You mentioned Fleetwood Mac and the 00:13:34.590 --> 00:13:37.470 timeless quality to their songs. Fleetwood Mac. 00:13:38.479 --> 00:13:42.399 is not 70s music, is not 80s music. Those songs, 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:44.399 and I remember hearing the dance for the first 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.860 time, and they were not really on my wavelength 00:13:47.860 --> 00:13:50.100 at that time. I was listening to a lot harder 00:13:50.100 --> 00:13:52.480 and heavier music, but I was working in a record 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.120 store, and I think that's around the time that 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:58.940 it was released. I play drums, so I just love 00:13:58.940 --> 00:14:00.820 Mick Fleetwood's sound on that album. It was 00:14:00.820 --> 00:14:05.539 so crisp, just so in the pocket. The dance is 00:14:05.539 --> 00:14:08.919 an incredible record. Christy McVie and just 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.899 the way they compliment each other. And yeah, 00:14:12.539 --> 00:14:16.600 I don't want to say that Dan Thomas is a spitting 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.559 image of Fleetwood Mac, but I see what you're 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:21.840 saying there. When I listen to your tracks, going 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:25.460 back to that timeless quality, Dan Thomas's songs, 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:29.860 they don't sound like songs from the 2020s or 00:14:29.860 --> 00:14:32.559 the early 2000s or the 90s. They just... kind 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:36.179 of have a quality to them that 10, 15, 20 years 00:14:36.179 --> 00:14:39.399 from now or longer, they'll still be very appealing. 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:43.879 You also seem to harness this energy into your 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:47.519 songs where they could be blown up in an arena. 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:50.960 Like you could play some of these tracks on a 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.659 grander scale and it might work. I think all 00:14:54.659 --> 00:14:58.759 the world's a stage. The chorus in that song 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:02.879 is just a booming chorus. And yeah, I could see 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:04.799 where some of this stuff you almost have some 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:06.899 freedom there where you can take it to an intimate 00:15:06.899 --> 00:15:10.659 audience or you could take it to Tens of thousands 00:15:10.659 --> 00:15:14.240 of people and reinterpret it. Is that do you 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:16.879 go for that or does it just come out that way? 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:19.940 It's like yeah, it's it's not it's definitely 00:15:19.940 --> 00:15:22.639 not something big. Thank you once again for that 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:24.659 beautiful compliment It's not something that 00:15:24.659 --> 00:15:27.700 I think I never think about it in terms of like 00:15:27.700 --> 00:15:30.360 where these songs are gonna be played I'm just 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:34.700 I'm just like It's in terms of where it all comes 00:15:34.700 --> 00:15:38.559 from. I mean, I don't want to get too artistic 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:40.799 about it all, but it's like there's that whole 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:42.919 idea of like no one ever really knows where it 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:45.620 comes from. And like a lot of us in the artist 00:15:45.620 --> 00:15:48.519 community often feel like we're it's like we're 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:50.639 channeling something like just it's almost like 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:52.799 you black out and then you come to and go, oh, 00:15:52.899 --> 00:15:54.679 there's this there's this thing. There's this 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:57.080 piece of art. And who knows? It's kind of like 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:58.539 it's ephemeral, isn't it? It just kind of comes 00:15:58.539 --> 00:16:03.690 out of the ether. But usually I find there's 00:16:03.690 --> 00:16:08.269 something on my mind and then I just, I'll find 00:16:08.269 --> 00:16:12.309 a mood and kind of go, right, okay, there's a 00:16:12.309 --> 00:16:15.169 mood to this. What kind of, what am I thinking 00:16:15.169 --> 00:16:20.350 about? What's been bothering me that fits with 00:16:20.350 --> 00:16:23.909 that? Or I also have a bunch of notes, excuse 00:16:23.909 --> 00:16:27.509 me, on my phone that I've just written down little 00:16:27.509 --> 00:16:30.039 ideas. maybe it's a little lyric or two maybe 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:32.360 it's just it's literally nothing but here's an 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.679 idea for a song something about this write it 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.019 when you get the chance and i'll just i'll flick 00:16:37.019 --> 00:16:38.960 through and find something oh yeah that that 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:42.240 will fit quite well with with this and it just 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.779 it comes out that way it's it's never been a 00:16:44.779 --> 00:16:47.879 case of like oh could this what does this sound 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.720 is this something that could be replicated in 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.500 like an arena or anything i i have never dared 00:16:53.500 --> 00:16:58.000 to dream yet that my music would be played in 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:01.700 in arenas at the moment i'm i've i've been playing 00:17:01.700 --> 00:17:06.140 in in the corner of of pubs and bars and or any 00:17:06.140 --> 00:17:09.730 uh It's like small grassroots music venues that 00:17:09.730 --> 00:17:13.869 are generous enough to have me play. I don't 00:17:13.869 --> 00:17:17.390 have any kind of like grand. I have no delusions 00:17:17.390 --> 00:17:20.309 of grandeur about what I do and what I write. 00:17:20.490 --> 00:17:22.789 I mean, but all of that stuff would be absolutely 00:17:22.789 --> 00:17:25.970 lovely and I will never deny that. But yeah, 00:17:26.150 --> 00:17:29.470 it's like I say, I guess the short answer to 00:17:29.470 --> 00:17:31.529 that is no, I don't ever think about what the 00:17:31.529 --> 00:17:33.890 hell they would sound in an arena setting, but 00:17:33.890 --> 00:17:38.390 I might start to now. Well, there's just a I 00:17:38.390 --> 00:17:40.630 feel like the real authenticity to these songs. 00:17:40.730 --> 00:17:43.529 And there's also some female vocals. And I was 00:17:43.529 --> 00:17:46.730 going to ask about that. Who is the the backing 00:17:46.730 --> 00:17:49.170 singer on some of those tracks? Like, I think 00:17:49.170 --> 00:17:51.490 it's the ghost of me and loving you ain't fun 00:17:51.490 --> 00:17:53.849 anymore. And maybe a couple others. So there's 00:17:53.849 --> 00:17:55.609 a couple of different people. The one on loving 00:17:55.609 --> 00:17:58.769 you ain't fun anymore is is my wife. That's that's 00:17:58.769 --> 00:18:02.150 Nicola Thomas. And just for those of you that 00:18:02.150 --> 00:18:05.940 haven't haven't heard it. It might be funny the 00:18:05.940 --> 00:18:07.779 fact that I'm saying that my wife sings on a 00:18:07.779 --> 00:18:11.099 song called Love and You Ain't Fun Anymore. But 00:18:11.099 --> 00:18:15.500 that song is about an ex lover of mine from a 00:18:15.500 --> 00:18:18.900 very long time ago. And yeah, she's always loved 00:18:18.900 --> 00:18:21.059 that one. My wife has loved that one, sorry, 00:18:21.220 --> 00:18:24.619 because it's got that kind of country music vibe 00:18:24.619 --> 00:18:27.079 to it. I remember I wrote that song on a plane 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:31.500 and I don't actually drink alcohol anymore. At 00:18:31.500 --> 00:18:33.279 the time I still did. And I think I was just 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:35.980 drinking whiskeys on a plane. And I just thought, 00:18:36.940 --> 00:18:39.259 I'm just going to attempt to channel my inner 00:18:39.259 --> 00:18:43.500 Chris Stapleton and see what kind of like whisky 00:18:43.500 --> 00:18:46.539 tinged heartbreak song I could come out. Because 00:18:46.539 --> 00:18:49.079 I was listening to a lot of that kind of that 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.680 kind of country music at the time. I love people 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.920 like Chris Stapleton and Jason Isbell and like 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:57.599 those kind of singer songwriter not necessary 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:03.359 in mainstream Nashville country sounding country 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.339 singers and I thought what's my version of that? 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.240 What's mine? And I just went back to a well that 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.460 I've been back to many times which is this one 00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:19.519 particular relationship that for the sake of 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:21.759 decency I won't even name the person in question. 00:19:21.980 --> 00:19:26.039 And I do genuinely hope that she is happy these 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:29.180 days But yeah, we were not right for each other 00:19:29.180 --> 00:19:33.119 and it manifested in some ugly ways in in our 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.480 relationship I like what you say in the song 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:39.640 because this again really spoke to me step by 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.200 step here Especially where the your family and 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:46.079 friends my friends and family told me that you 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:48.950 were no good for me and I was heading for disaster, 00:19:49.109 --> 00:19:51.670 it was plain to see. That's exactly I think what 00:19:51.670 --> 00:19:54.769 has happened to a lot of people. If you get to 00:19:54.769 --> 00:19:57.450 be in your 30s or 40s or older and you didn't 00:19:57.450 --> 00:19:59.069 marry your high school sweetheart, you're not 00:19:59.069 --> 00:20:01.250 still, you know, you've probably gone through 00:20:01.250 --> 00:20:05.450 some version of this. Depending on the type of 00:20:05.450 --> 00:20:08.369 person you are, I mean, you don't recognize yourself 00:20:08.369 --> 00:20:11.569 at an earlier age as just prey for the wrong 00:20:11.569 --> 00:20:13.650 type of person. I mean, they see you from a mile 00:20:13.650 --> 00:20:15.890 away. They know that you're going to give them 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.460 That supply that they so desperately crave you're 00:20:19.460 --> 00:20:22.720 going to You know, I think that phrase love bomb, 00:20:22.859 --> 00:20:24.859 you know, you're gonna get love bombed by somebody 00:20:24.859 --> 00:20:27.339 and you're gonna they're gonna tell you that 00:20:27.339 --> 00:20:30.319 All these things about you That you know that 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:32.660 are flattering and then it's just a bunch of 00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:35.079 trickery And before you know it you're in too 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:38.339 deep, but it happens to the best of us Yeah, 00:20:38.339 --> 00:20:40.799 I just heard this song. I thought wow that is 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:44.119 um I believe it was a relationship or two before 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.490 I met my wife and Finally, I think the breaking 00:20:47.490 --> 00:20:49.170 point hopefully people can relate to this if 00:20:49.170 --> 00:20:51.549 you're in a situation like this people who are 00:20:51.549 --> 00:20:54.410 listening and You see the writing on the wall 00:20:54.410 --> 00:20:56.710 But you're not sure how to get out when your 00:20:56.710 --> 00:20:59.230 father or let's say your brother or sister says 00:20:59.230 --> 00:21:02.289 well You can keep dating her you can keep dating 00:21:02.289 --> 00:21:04.910 him But I'll never have anything to do with them 00:21:04.910 --> 00:21:06.990 if that matters to you. That was kind of the 00:21:06.990 --> 00:21:08.690 breaking point I said well, I'm not gonna be 00:21:08.690 --> 00:21:11.869 able to bring around the holidays. So This thing's 00:21:11.869 --> 00:21:15.150 over. I gotta find a way out Do you know similarly 00:21:15.150 --> 00:21:17.930 it was a it was a very similar thing with me 00:21:17.930 --> 00:21:22.910 in that often I've had quite a few relationships 00:21:22.910 --> 00:21:26.349 where there are kind of like there are a number 00:21:26.349 --> 00:21:29.329 of people in my life who are the kind of the 00:21:29.329 --> 00:21:31.650 sounding boards for she's not right and one of 00:21:31.650 --> 00:21:35.829 them is my sister my younger sister is always 00:21:35.829 --> 00:21:41.289 is very good at seeing like my partner's who 00:21:41.289 --> 00:21:43.450 I choose like my parents my mother particularly 00:21:43.450 --> 00:21:46.730 because my mom's a very warm and welcoming person 00:21:46.730 --> 00:21:50.250 who will always do her best to kind of like even 00:21:50.250 --> 00:21:52.430 if she has reservations about a person she'll 00:21:52.430 --> 00:21:54.950 be like well they make they make him they make 00:21:54.950 --> 00:21:59.009 him happy and and I'm perfectly prepared to kind 00:21:59.009 --> 00:22:01.349 of put a lot of my stuff aside for the sake of 00:22:01.349 --> 00:22:04.509 that my sister is a little bit more direct and 00:22:04.509 --> 00:22:07.210 she she will she'll look at them and go nope 00:22:07.210 --> 00:22:11.279 they suck you can and I think that's I with this 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.240 particular relationship I sort of really sat 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:15.619 down and said look what is it what is it you 00:22:15.619 --> 00:22:17.460 have against her and she was like and she was 00:22:17.460 --> 00:22:22.200 like I just she just doesn't seem right for you 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.740 and I just I want better for you I think I spent 00:22:26.740 --> 00:22:29.279 a lot of time in denial in that particular relationship 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:32.660 I am I wasn't or at least I just wasn't able 00:22:32.660 --> 00:22:34.819 to be I wasn't able to be honest with myself 00:22:34.819 --> 00:22:38.490 in in that Emotion in that way emotionally, but 00:22:38.490 --> 00:22:41.009 I remember just to cap off the thing about my 00:22:41.009 --> 00:22:43.369 sister I remember scaring the absolute bejesus 00:22:43.369 --> 00:22:47.730 out of my my now wife by foolishly telling her 00:22:47.730 --> 00:22:50.569 like before she met my sister like oh, yeah, 00:22:50.710 --> 00:22:54.829 like it's kind of really important like My sister 00:22:54.829 --> 00:22:56.529 my sister usually hates all my girlfriends. I 00:22:56.529 --> 00:23:00.789 can't like looking back now in my late thirties 00:23:00.789 --> 00:23:04.029 and I can't believe I said that to someone who 00:23:04.029 --> 00:23:06.890 I'd just started dating said oh by the way you 00:23:06.890 --> 00:23:09.430 have to really get over my sister otherwise she'll 00:23:09.430 --> 00:23:11.569 hate you and because she always hates my girlfriends 00:23:11.569 --> 00:23:15.650 and yeah there's a lot of at this point in my 00:23:15.650 --> 00:23:18.410 life there's a lot of me looking back on myself 00:23:18.410 --> 00:23:23.089 and going god that was dumb that was idiotic 00:23:23.089 --> 00:23:25.710 but yeah there was a lot of lot of stuff in that 00:23:25.710 --> 00:23:28.730 relationship where I wasn't able to be completely 00:23:28.730 --> 00:23:32.670 honest with myself. And interestingly, at this 00:23:32.670 --> 00:23:35.190 point in my life, I'm also able to look back 00:23:35.190 --> 00:23:38.190 now after a while after I've written that song 00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:41.009 and kind of I'm able much more able to recognise 00:23:41.009 --> 00:23:44.009 the ways in which I got it wrong as well. And 00:23:44.009 --> 00:23:47.509 that, I mean, not to excuse some of the behaviour 00:23:47.509 --> 00:23:51.710 that this person indulged in, but how I kind 00:23:51.710 --> 00:23:56.630 of like didn't help myself and Let my own shortcomings 00:23:56.630 --> 00:24:00.390 that allowed that person to manipulate me more 00:24:00.390 --> 00:24:02.789 than they possibly would have been able to had 00:24:02.789 --> 00:24:08.029 I had a bit more of my own emotional wherewithal 00:24:08.029 --> 00:24:10.670 and Again, it's that it doesn't excuse any of 00:24:10.670 --> 00:24:13.569 the stuff that they did or said or made me feel 00:24:13.569 --> 00:24:16.690 but it's just I Definitely didn't help myself 00:24:16.690 --> 00:24:20.329 either. I can completely relate to that and you 00:24:20.329 --> 00:24:22.769 probably weren't the best version of yourself 00:24:22.769 --> 00:24:25.680 looking back you think well No wonder that thing 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:28.880 ended up the way it did that experience but out 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:32.700 of it came this wonderful song that I just encourage 00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:35.119 everyone if you want to pick one track to get 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:36.859 started on I mean I would recommend all of them 00:24:36.859 --> 00:24:39.720 but loving you ain't fun anymore you can find 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:43.900 if you just look search Dan Thomas on your favorite 00:24:43.900 --> 00:24:47.839 streaming platform another song and I know you're 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.000 also working on some new material but the darkness 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:55.569 in me the video I know it it does kind of specifically 00:24:55.569 --> 00:24:59.009 speak to that COVID period. And I know in the 00:24:59.009 --> 00:25:02.250 UK, things were very restrictive. We had over 00:25:02.250 --> 00:25:05.789 here in the States, some things loosened up a 00:25:05.789 --> 00:25:10.109 little bit sooner, I think, than overseas. But 00:25:10.109 --> 00:25:12.349 the video captures it well, where you're walking 00:25:12.349 --> 00:25:14.069 around these empty streets that used to just 00:25:14.069 --> 00:25:18.069 be buzzing with excitement and people and good 00:25:18.069 --> 00:25:20.029 energy. And there's just nothing there. And you're 00:25:20.029 --> 00:25:22.789 looking up at the the lights and maybe some of 00:25:22.789 --> 00:25:24.490 the residential buildings, and that's where everyone 00:25:24.490 --> 00:25:29.789 is held captive, basically. I guess it was a 00:25:29.789 --> 00:25:33.250 sorrowful time for a lot of people. When you're 00:25:33.250 --> 00:25:36.269 out there performing now, coming out of the pandemic, 00:25:37.009 --> 00:25:38.650 it's hard to believe it's been three or four 00:25:38.650 --> 00:25:41.890 years, but are people in the pubs and in the 00:25:41.890 --> 00:25:45.829 bars over there, are they loosening up? Is everyone 00:25:45.829 --> 00:25:49.109 just happy? Are they resuming what they used 00:25:49.109 --> 00:25:50.710 to do? Are there some people that are a little 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:54.019 a little tight, I guess, or how is it over there? 00:25:54.740 --> 00:26:01.420 It's mostly, I think, it's mostly back to normal. 00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:08.000 I think I've said in a previous interview recently 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.779 is that sometimes I think it's almost like it's 00:26:10.779 --> 00:26:14.980 gone too back to normal in the sense that we're 00:26:14.980 --> 00:26:17.940 in danger of like kind of forgetting a lot of 00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:21.380 the lessons that I feel like we were learning 00:26:21.380 --> 00:26:24.980 during COVID and particularly with regards to 00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:29.660 what are the jobs that are important to keep 00:26:29.660 --> 00:26:35.119 society going and who the real heroes of society 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:39.000 are and where we should focus our attention and 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:42.309 our efforts. We had a big thing about clapping 00:26:42.309 --> 00:26:46.529 for the NHS over here. For your American listeners, 00:26:47.750 --> 00:26:51.750 on a Thursday evening at 8pm during that first 00:26:51.750 --> 00:26:55.630 lockdown, it started spontaneously. People would 00:26:55.630 --> 00:26:58.619 get outside at 8pm and just... across the nation 00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:00.859 and we just applaud for like a minute, two minutes. 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.140 And it would be applauding for all of the emergency 00:27:04.140 --> 00:27:07.539 services workers in our National Health Service. 00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:10.160 And it became like a weekly thing where we would 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:13.480 go out and like just kind of show appreciation 00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:18.359 for that. And now we're at the point where a 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:23.279 lot of where the services in a very dire strait 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:27.309 and in a lot of crisis and the government kind 00:27:27.309 --> 00:27:30.089 of aren't giving them the funds that they need 00:27:30.089 --> 00:27:33.009 to do things so all the the nurses are kind of 00:27:33.009 --> 00:27:35.109 going out on strike and everything like that 00:27:35.109 --> 00:27:38.230 and all the papers are going back to their usual 00:27:38.230 --> 00:27:42.009 shtick of uh down with the strikes and everything 00:27:42.009 --> 00:27:44.289 else and it's like didn't we weren't we like 00:27:44.289 --> 00:27:46.190 clapping for these guys like a couple of years 00:27:46.190 --> 00:27:49.349 ago and it's and it's things like that just make 00:27:49.349 --> 00:27:52.309 me think okay oh so none of that we're just gonna 00:27:52.309 --> 00:27:55.470 forget all of that stuff happened But sorry, 00:27:55.470 --> 00:27:58.390 I went off on a bit of a tangent there. But the 00:27:58.390 --> 00:28:00.609 emotion, like I said, where the emotion just 00:28:00.609 --> 00:28:04.849 it dies down, you think, weren't we just all 00:28:04.849 --> 00:28:08.170 unified here and all on the same page? And now 00:28:08.170 --> 00:28:11.349 it's as if it didn't happen. Yeah, there were 00:28:11.349 --> 00:28:13.450 definitely there was definitely like, I'd say 00:28:13.450 --> 00:28:17.430 between that March and maybe June, end of May, 00:28:17.569 --> 00:28:20.730 June, there was there was a real there was a 00:28:20.730 --> 00:28:24.180 real feeling of solidarity. here, to me at least, 00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:27.460 it just felt like for just that brief moment, 00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:29.660 it felt like the whole country and the whole 00:28:29.660 --> 00:28:32.859 world was kind of like, OK, this is serious. 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:36.319 We're all we really are all in this together 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:40.220 because this virus does not respect age, race. 00:28:41.009 --> 00:28:44.210 creed, sex, political affiliation, or anything. 00:28:44.529 --> 00:28:48.049 It has an equal opportunity to kill all of you. 00:28:48.789 --> 00:28:51.170 And yeah, so that that was kind of a real unifying 00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:54.309 factor. And then there were a bunch of like internal 00:28:54.309 --> 00:28:57.170 political things going on in this country. And 00:28:57.170 --> 00:28:59.789 then, of course, things going on across the pond 00:28:59.789 --> 00:29:03.670 in the United States. Obviously, George Floyd 00:29:03.670 --> 00:29:06.890 kind of came within that first lockdown period 00:29:06.890 --> 00:29:10.799 for us. And then it just kind of Those sorts 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:12.579 of things reignited a lot of divisions again 00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:14.559 and it was like, oh, okay, cool. Yeah, we're 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.859 back to kind of shouting at each other on the 00:29:16.859 --> 00:29:20.279 internet again. That was fun while it lasted. 00:29:21.220 --> 00:29:25.660 But yeah, at that time that I wrote that song, 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:29.440 it was like a month into the pandemic when I 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.839 wrote that. There's a place in Hartford, where 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:38.359 I lived at the time, Hartfordshire, a place called 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:42.279 Four Street. which is where all of the bars and 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:46.700 nightclub establishments are in that town. And 00:29:46.700 --> 00:29:50.259 at the time we were allowed out for 30 minutes 00:29:50.259 --> 00:29:52.799 of exercise every day. That was the only time 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.880 you were allowed to leave your house. And because 00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:58.259 my daughter was only a year and a half old at 00:29:58.259 --> 00:30:01.000 that point and in need of a lot of care at home, 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:05.279 I took a lot of my exercise at night when Both 00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.559 she and my wife were asleep. So I wandered into 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:12.740 town and it was the Thursday before Easter Which 00:30:12.740 --> 00:30:15.279 in the UK we have like a four -day bank holiday 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.920 weekend So like we we get off work on the Thursday 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.160 and then we don't come back until the Tuesday. 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.220 So we get Friday Saturday Sunday Monday as like 00:30:25.220 --> 00:30:27.940 a four -day weekend and normally on the Thursday 00:30:27.940 --> 00:30:33.019 of Easter over here everyone starts celebrating 00:30:33.019 --> 00:30:36.900 in that very British way where we all get mind 00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:40.000 -bendingly drunk in a way that puts most other 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.640 nations to shame. Not in a good way. And yeah 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.500 you can see people on the street kind of being 00:30:47.500 --> 00:30:50.000 drunk and mess but of course there was nobody 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:54.430 this was like 10 30 11 p .m. and There was nobody 00:30:54.430 --> 00:30:56.369 out because everyone was on lockdown and all 00:30:56.369 --> 00:30:58.910 the businesses were closed. And it was just so 00:30:58.910 --> 00:31:01.670 eerie to walk down 4th Street, this place that's 00:31:01.670 --> 00:31:05.829 so vibrant and full of life in all of its glory 00:31:05.829 --> 00:31:10.210 and its shame, to be just silent. And the only 00:31:10.210 --> 00:31:13.470 things I could hear were my footsteps echoing 00:31:13.470 --> 00:31:16.130 and like the electricity from the lights humming. 00:31:16.130 --> 00:31:19.329 And I think maybe there was like a car somewhere 00:31:19.329 --> 00:31:23.460 off in the distance, like one lone engine. And 00:31:23.460 --> 00:31:26.059 it was so even looking I could see like above 00:31:26.059 --> 00:31:27.920 a lot of the the establishments there are a lot 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:30.160 of there are people people living in the buildings 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.180 above and you could see some of those lights 00:31:32.180 --> 00:31:34.279 on and that's when I say in the song like signs 00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.000 of life high above it's like you can see all 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.279 these people who are locked in their homes that 00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.779 okay well life is still here but it's like it 00:31:41.779 --> 00:31:45.259 can't get out it can't do anything and I just 00:31:45.259 --> 00:31:48.440 remember writing on my phone this stream of consciousness 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:50.619 stuff like all these notes because I'm thinking 00:31:51.369 --> 00:31:53.789 There is absolutely a song to be mined out of 00:31:53.789 --> 00:31:57.630 this somewhere. I would be Insane if I didn't 00:31:57.630 --> 00:32:01.829 try and do something So I went and wrote it all 00:32:01.829 --> 00:32:03.849 down and then I came back and then I just massaged 00:32:03.849 --> 00:32:07.569 all of the best bits into Into something and 00:32:07.569 --> 00:32:09.410 then that became that song is that music video 00:32:09.410 --> 00:32:11.690 as well. That is that is 4th Street that we filmed 00:32:11.690 --> 00:32:15.410 that on and The next line I wrote down here trapped 00:32:15.410 --> 00:32:20.529 inside till only God knows when People forget 00:32:20.730 --> 00:32:24.670 that if you were under certain restrictions in 00:32:24.670 --> 00:32:27.470 certain countries, you also had that, I guess, 00:32:27.609 --> 00:32:31.230 existential anxiety of how long are we going 00:32:31.230 --> 00:32:33.230 to live like this? Is this going to be another 00:32:33.230 --> 00:32:36.450 month? Is this going to be another year? You 00:32:36.450 --> 00:32:38.849 really didn't know. I think that may have impacted. 00:32:38.910 --> 00:32:41.849 Will it ever go back to where it was? That was 00:32:41.849 --> 00:32:46.049 the other question. Sometimes it was less a question 00:32:46.049 --> 00:32:49.970 of when will this end? It was a question of will 00:32:49.970 --> 00:32:53.819 this end? Right. When it wasn't like a guarantee 00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:57.900 at any point, especially in the music industry, 00:32:59.019 --> 00:33:01.519 because we're one of the first industries to 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:05.480 close down. And the music industry in the UK, 00:33:05.660 --> 00:33:07.160 I don't know what it's like in the States, I 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.480 imagine not too dissimilar, but it's still recovering. 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:16.200 There have been some lasting impacts from... 00:33:15.849 --> 00:33:18.250 from covid that even though we've been out of 00:33:18.250 --> 00:33:21.710 restriction out of major restrictions now for 00:33:21.710 --> 00:33:26.009 at least 18 months uh it's not bounced back in 00:33:26.009 --> 00:33:28.150 the same way the audiences haven't come back 00:33:28.150 --> 00:33:30.089 in the numbers that they were in the first place 00:33:30.089 --> 00:33:32.150 because some people like the the psychological 00:33:32.150 --> 00:33:34.990 damage uh especially if they were more vulnerable 00:33:34.990 --> 00:33:37.710 it's like it's it's done it's that's that's been 00:33:37.710 --> 00:33:40.390 it's been broken now so yeah so so for some people 00:33:40.390 --> 00:33:42.849 they are still kind of those people who are trapped 00:33:42.849 --> 00:33:46.059 inside till only god knows when Oh, I think people 00:33:46.059 --> 00:33:50.160 really missed going to a live music venue during 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.859 that time period. And I think back to 2017, 18, 00:33:54.880 --> 00:34:00.160 19, and some of the performers that I'd see on 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.660 the marquee at our local concert hall. And then 00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:07.440 it just hit such a lull, even when the restrictions 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:11.840 were lifted. Even now. things are happening at 00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.099 this particular club but it's like I don't see 00:34:14.099 --> 00:34:17.559 that it's not as many acts as you would think 00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.940 or national acts that we used to get. I imagine 00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:23.400 it'll come back and depending on where you live 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:29.360 maybe it's not as depleted I guess. Yeah it's 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:33.119 definitely not bounced back fully over here. 00:34:33.260 --> 00:34:38.840 I mean if nothing else a lot of the acts just 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:44.320 couldn't couldn't sustain themselves whilst we 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:46.780 were in all the major restrictions. So a lot 00:34:46.780 --> 00:34:49.199 of them just have kind of hung up their spurs 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.119 and have quit doing it now, which is, oh man, 00:34:53.420 --> 00:34:55.699 that's heartbreaking. You think all the music 00:34:55.699 --> 00:34:58.960 that you're not going to get now because of things 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.579 like that. People make some difficult choices, 00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:06.400 I guess, if they had a day job. Maybe some folks 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:10.280 don't imagine that. Most musicians probably have 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.219 some other career that they've they've got to 00:35:13.219 --> 00:35:17.780 sink into to pay the bills and I guess there 00:35:17.780 --> 00:35:20.860 are some people that made those tough calls of 00:35:20.860 --> 00:35:23.340 Wow, I just got to put this on the shelf for 00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:26.000 a few years Maybe not forever, but I'm just not 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:29.539 gonna be pursuing this So many hours a week. 00:35:29.539 --> 00:35:33.960 I just can't you know Sure. Yes. I mean, yeah, 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.659 I mean I don't I this isn't this isn't my full 00:35:37.659 --> 00:35:40.320 -time job. I was, I never thought I'd be in a 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.119 position to say this, but I was very lucky that 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:49.099 I had a day job that was not affected by Covid. 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:53.840 And again, I can't remember what kind of, what 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:58.980 sorts of protections and like emergency packages 00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:01.800 and things that were put together in the States 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:05.170 at the time. We had a furlough scheme. in the 00:36:05.170 --> 00:36:09.030 UK where if the companies kind of furloughed 00:36:09.030 --> 00:36:11.030 all their employees the government was paying 00:36:11.030 --> 00:36:17.469 up to 80 % of their wages throughout a set length 00:36:17.469 --> 00:36:21.429 of the pandemic which obviously ran up quite 00:36:21.429 --> 00:36:27.130 a large bill in the end but I was lucky and I 00:36:27.130 --> 00:36:28.889 didn't even have to get furloughed because my 00:36:28.889 --> 00:36:32.719 job could continue. unabated I just had a lap 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:36.780 I was just issued a laptop and just worked from 00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:40.360 home and I spent a long time kind of railing 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:42.840 against that kind of life and obviously I know 00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:47.599 and I still um more about this and what I want 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.530 to do versus the day job, but I remember thinking 00:36:51.530 --> 00:36:53.690 I never thought I'd be in a position to say, 00:36:53.769 --> 00:36:57.309 man, I'm really glad I wasn't a full time musician 00:36:57.309 --> 00:37:00.050 when that pandemic hit, because I know I know 00:37:00.050 --> 00:37:03.070 so many people who were musicians at full time 00:37:03.070 --> 00:37:07.349 and they just their incomes just completely evaporated 00:37:07.349 --> 00:37:08.789 overnight because they couldn't they couldn't 00:37:08.789 --> 00:37:11.690 get out on tour. They couldn't really that some 00:37:11.690 --> 00:37:14.110 of them were able to record some things. But 00:37:14.110 --> 00:37:19.739 as most of us know, recorded music doesn't produce 00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:23.340 much income for musicians these days. And most 00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:25.340 of the money that any of us are able to make 00:37:25.340 --> 00:37:27.159 is that when we go out and tour and particularly 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:31.480 when we're able to sell merch or like synchronization 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:34.000 deals with like TV and film, which was another 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:35.760 industry that was completely shut down. So there 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.800 was nothing new happening there either. Yeah. 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.920 So it's an industry that has that got really, 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.900 really heavily hit. And it's like I say, it's 00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:49.889 still trying to bounce back now. Well, Dan, I'm 00:37:49.889 --> 00:37:53.329 I'm glad that we didn't lose you I know I just 00:37:53.329 --> 00:37:55.230 recently discovered you but as far as losing 00:37:55.230 --> 00:37:59.530 you as your As far as your impact out there and 00:37:59.530 --> 00:38:01.690 the music that you're putting out and the new 00:38:01.690 --> 00:38:03.909 music that you're working on And before we get 00:38:03.909 --> 00:38:05.889 too far along, I just want to run through I'll 00:38:05.889 --> 00:38:11.170 also post these Your tour dates coming up just 00:38:11.170 --> 00:38:14.809 want to speak to the December dates that you 00:38:14.809 --> 00:38:17.780 have scheduled For some of my listeners who are 00:38:17.780 --> 00:38:21.360 in the UK or Germany Dan you're making a run. 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.480 You're pretty busy schedule there the first few 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.980 weeks of December Cree fold Dortmund, I'm taking 00:38:27.980 --> 00:38:32.119 a shot. I haven't pronounced some of these locales 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:34.260 either in a long time or this may be my first 00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:39.099 shot at but Zarbuchen Stuttgart Karlsruhe, I 00:38:39.099 --> 00:38:41.219 hope I'm pronouncing all that correctly and then 00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:44.820 you're over in Amsterdam on the 7th of December 00:38:45.539 --> 00:38:49.659 8th and Luxembourg But all these venues and dates 00:38:49.659 --> 00:38:52.820 I'll also post on my social media pages as well 00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:56.000 But a great chance if you're in the UK because 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.199 Dan this episode will probably come out on the 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:02.500 19th so There'll be a chance to see you there 00:39:02.500 --> 00:39:05.079 at the end of this month and then going back 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.860 into the first of the year But yeah what tell 00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:10.599 me a little bit about what you have planned I 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:12.519 know some things haven't been firmed up all the 00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.460 way, but some of the places you're performing? 00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:20.800 Yeah, so we've got, there's a list of dates on 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:25.400 my social media that shows how busy I am for 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.460 the rest of the year. And only when I put that 00:39:27.460 --> 00:39:30.599 poster out, I realized, wow, I really am quite 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.139 busy this year. That's crazy. So I've got, where 00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:37.019 am I at the moment? It's the fifth today. So 00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:41.960 yeah, we've got, I'm doing a short run in Yorkshire. 00:39:42.649 --> 00:39:45.369 in Leicestershire, not Leicestershire, Lincolnshire 00:39:45.369 --> 00:39:50.469 next weekend. So going to be like in Hull and 00:39:50.469 --> 00:39:53.750 Leeds and Scunthorpe. Where did I miss? York. 00:39:53.929 --> 00:39:55.929 That's the other one on that little mini tour. 00:39:57.269 --> 00:39:58.650 Yeah. So I've got a little run there and then 00:39:58.650 --> 00:39:59.989 there's going to be a run a lot of around like 00:39:59.989 --> 00:40:04.650 the Birmingham, Doncaster area. And then into, 00:40:05.050 --> 00:40:07.329 like you say, in December, we're going out to 00:40:07.329 --> 00:40:12.050 Germany and the Netherlands end to Luxembourg. 00:40:12.449 --> 00:40:15.550 Then we've got a couple of smaller shows over 00:40:15.550 --> 00:40:17.409 here back here over in the UK. One's going to 00:40:17.409 --> 00:40:19.929 be for Christmas Eve, which is a very local show 00:40:19.929 --> 00:40:22.849 to me in a place called Clifton, which is like 00:40:22.849 --> 00:40:25.969 Bedfordshire way. It's a it's quite a small village, 00:40:26.130 --> 00:40:28.210 but there's a pub called the Admiral on Christmas 00:40:28.210 --> 00:40:31.269 Eve. If you're in the Bedfordshire area, please 00:40:31.269 --> 00:40:32.829 come and check it out. It's going to be fun. 00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.099 And then after that, the things that they're 00:40:36.099 --> 00:40:39.719 not they're not properly out there yet. But we've 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:42.400 got some plans for the new year that are going 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.800 to be a lot of fun. There's a there's going to 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.400 be a particular thing to keep an eye out for 00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:48.820 around February, where there's there's going 00:40:48.820 --> 00:40:53.500 to be a short tour of sorts that will be used 00:40:53.500 --> 00:40:57.400 to record a music video, followed by a another 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:01.309 European run in April, a longer one. for a couple 00:41:01.309 --> 00:41:05.269 of weeks and then a UK run immediately after 00:41:05.269 --> 00:41:07.050 that and then a very short break and then I'm 00:41:07.050 --> 00:41:11.750 off to Latvia and Lithuania and Estonia for a 00:41:11.750 --> 00:41:13.730 run of dates as well and that will take me through 00:41:13.730 --> 00:41:17.750 to middle of May and then after that I will probably 00:41:17.750 --> 00:41:21.710 sleep for a week because I'll be absolutely exhausted. 00:41:22.409 --> 00:41:24.969 Um, but, uh, yeah, the, there's going to be a 00:41:24.969 --> 00:41:27.050 lot more, there's going to, there's a lot of 00:41:27.050 --> 00:41:30.010 live performances planned and in this planning 00:41:30.010 --> 00:41:33.869 stages, uh, for next year that will run up into 00:41:33.869 --> 00:41:38.409 what I hope will be like a November ish release 00:41:38.409 --> 00:41:41.369 for the new record that I'm currently working 00:41:41.369 --> 00:41:45.130 on. Oh, excellent. Dan, I wanted to ask, and 00:41:45.130 --> 00:41:46.929 I also don't want to get too far ahead without 00:41:46.929 --> 00:41:51.050 putting in a plug for your friend, Martin Colton's 00:41:51.050 --> 00:41:54.369 podcast. I so enjoyed listening to this episode 00:41:54.369 --> 00:41:57.550 that you guys recorded the BTS creative Academy 00:41:57.550 --> 00:42:02.170 podcast, please Download and subscribe to Martin's 00:42:02.170 --> 00:42:04.769 podcast anywhere that you listen to podcast. 00:42:04.869 --> 00:42:07.530 I guess if you're listening to this one Just 00:42:07.530 --> 00:42:12.090 run a search on that s I'm sorry BTS creative 00:42:12.090 --> 00:42:15.650 Academy One thing I didn't get to the entire 00:42:15.650 --> 00:42:17.650 episode, but Dan you were starting to talk about 00:42:17.650 --> 00:42:21.079 when people who you don't know come up and give 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.760 you some feedback on the songs that they heard 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:27.980 that night or What have you? Then it's really 00:42:27.980 --> 00:42:30.079 cool to hear I think for all of us. It's always 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.699 Nice to hear somebody's opinion. Who's not your 00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:36.260 friend or your cousin or your brother What is 00:42:36.260 --> 00:42:38.420 it like when or do you have people approach you 00:42:38.420 --> 00:42:41.159 after a set? Who say kind of the same things 00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.699 like what was that song you played the darkness 00:42:43.699 --> 00:42:46.099 in me or what was that? Loving you ain't fun 00:42:46.099 --> 00:42:48.449 anymore. That was a That really spoke to me. 00:42:48.469 --> 00:42:51.469 Do you have people who come up afterwards and 00:42:51.469 --> 00:42:53.650 tell you what something meant to you or meant 00:42:53.650 --> 00:42:57.889 to them? I'm sorry Yeah, and it's that's that 00:42:57.889 --> 00:43:00.550 certainly happened recently like over the last 00:43:00.550 --> 00:43:05.469 I'd say year or year and a bit now and now I'm 00:43:05.469 --> 00:43:07.909 starting to do get out there and do more and 00:43:07.909 --> 00:43:11.789 more shows but Yeah, like it's always it's amazing 00:43:11.789 --> 00:43:14.989 when if you if you have somebody who who really 00:43:14.989 --> 00:43:17.170 connects with like one particular song and wants 00:43:17.170 --> 00:43:19.210 to come up and talk to you about that song afterwards 00:43:19.210 --> 00:43:22.849 and particularly like what it meant to them. 00:43:24.449 --> 00:43:27.050 It's it's it's incredible. Like one of my favorite 00:43:27.050 --> 00:43:32.849 ones is that so I have a I have a song that is 00:43:32.849 --> 00:43:34.489 out. It is out. There's a version of it that's 00:43:34.489 --> 00:43:37.460 out on the streaming. platforms already. It is 00:43:37.460 --> 00:43:40.960 getting redone as part of the new record that's 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:43.679 coming out. There's a song called The Hole You 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.260 Leave Behind which, trigger warning for those 00:43:47.260 --> 00:43:51.360 of you who might be affected, it is a song about 00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:56.960 miscarriage. Me and my wife attempted to start 00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.619 a family and before we had our beautiful baby 00:43:59.619 --> 00:44:04.809 girl we did we tried once before and seven weeks 00:44:04.809 --> 00:44:08.090 into the pregnancy and sadly we we lost that 00:44:08.090 --> 00:44:14.469 child and that was a devastating week for us 00:44:14.469 --> 00:44:18.010 that where we were just we both then just spent 00:44:18.010 --> 00:44:20.150 the rest of the week off work both of our bosses 00:44:20.150 --> 00:44:24.550 were I phoned my boss and my wife's boss the 00:44:24.550 --> 00:44:27.780 next day after we found out and told them the 00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:29.920 situation and they were both they were both great 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.539 they both immediately said don't don't come into 00:44:32.539 --> 00:44:35.380 work we're just please be at home and stay with 00:44:35.380 --> 00:44:39.039 each other and just take care of each other so 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.260 yeah we spent that week kind of at home just 00:44:42.260 --> 00:44:44.159 just grieving and holding each other and crying 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.059 a lot of the time and we also we thought it was 00:44:47.059 --> 00:44:49.639 a strange week we had a lot of fun together and 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.659 kind of grew very close and sometimes we were 00:44:52.659 --> 00:44:55.780 laughing and then like Minutes later, we'd be 00:44:55.780 --> 00:44:58.719 sad again and crying and and I did the only thing 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:02.380 that I know how to do in terms of processing 00:45:02.380 --> 00:45:05.059 emotions as I thought I need to write a song 00:45:05.059 --> 00:45:08.260 about this. So I sat down and wrote about the 00:45:08.260 --> 00:45:14.760 story of what happened and it's obviously it's 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.719 a very sensitive subject. So it's the one it's 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.000 the song that people talk to me about the most 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.820 and One of the guys that we we did a run of me 00:45:24.820 --> 00:45:27.699 and my tour manager did a run of shows in Europe 00:45:27.699 --> 00:45:31.460 in the April just gone. So April of this year 00:45:31.460 --> 00:45:37.519 and the last show Is a place called Stalberg 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:43.599 and the guy who put the show on for us his 70 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.460 year old dad was in the audience. So they're 00:45:46.460 --> 00:45:50.519 two local German guys and I say I performed that 00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.519 song And the guy who was running it, Rob, came 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.719 to me in the break and he wanted to talk to me 00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.739 about that song. And he said to me that that 00:45:59.739 --> 00:46:02.380 song helped me have a conversation with my 70 00:46:02.380 --> 00:46:05.260 year old father in the audience about my sister 00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:10.900 who died before I was born. And that it totally 00:46:10.900 --> 00:46:14.519 blew me away. Absolutely. I was gobsmacked. I 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.840 didn't. It's like one of the heaviest things 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.699 that somebody's That a stranger has ever said 00:46:20.699 --> 00:46:25.739 to me and I was I just felt like kind of Honored 00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:30.320 and like flattered that I was a part of Helping 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.519 them have a conversation that could only really 00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:36.480 bring them like closer together to have this 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:40.340 talk about this family member of theirs who was 00:46:40.340 --> 00:46:44.710 like was gone way too soon and Rob never got 00:46:44.710 --> 00:46:48.449 to meet. Yeah. So I just said, I'm so glad I 00:46:48.449 --> 00:46:51.690 could facilitate that conversation for you. And 00:46:51.690 --> 00:46:54.630 like moments like that as an artist, it's like, 00:46:54.829 --> 00:46:57.849 that's brilliant. That's amazing for me. It's 00:46:57.849 --> 00:47:01.909 like just to know that this piece of art that 00:47:01.909 --> 00:47:05.210 I made that came from such an awful place, like 00:47:05.210 --> 00:47:09.639 has helped to like heal people. And that's I 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:11.559 don't know, I don't know. Maybe that sounds a 00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:13.340 little bit too grandiose, but like just to give 00:47:13.340 --> 00:47:16.719 them that kind of just to help them process the 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:19.760 things and just and feel a bit more OK and a 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:23.480 little bit less alone than that's job done. That's 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:28.500 that's that's fine by me. That song really, you 00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:30.400 know, I hit my wife and I haven't experienced 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:33.460 that, thank God. But when I first heard the song. 00:47:33.969 --> 00:47:36.050 And if you haven't heard it yet, I don't want 00:47:36.050 --> 00:47:38.110 to give too much away but it does kind of start 00:47:38.110 --> 00:47:42.909 off maybe like a love song and You know, I think 00:47:42.909 --> 00:47:44.889 it's the third verse third or fourth verse and 00:47:44.889 --> 00:47:47.929 it just hits you and you almost have to go back 00:47:47.929 --> 00:47:52.010 which I had to do and and go back 15 30 seconds 00:47:52.010 --> 00:47:54.769 and make sure that I heard the lyrics correctly 00:47:54.769 --> 00:47:58.809 and Yeah, it's one of the most powerful tracks. 00:47:58.809 --> 00:48:01.510 I've heard because again that It goes back to 00:48:01.510 --> 00:48:03.909 what I said at the top of the episode. You approach 00:48:03.909 --> 00:48:07.769 some subjects in your songwriting that I don't 00:48:07.769 --> 00:48:09.289 want to say nobody goes there, but you don't 00:48:09.289 --> 00:48:13.010 see a lot of artists who are maybe presented 00:48:13.010 --> 00:48:15.010 to you by record companies. You're not going 00:48:15.010 --> 00:48:19.550 to hear this on the radio. There's some good 00:48:19.550 --> 00:48:22.489 stuff on the radio, and there's some good songs 00:48:22.489 --> 00:48:27.829 at the top of the Spotify playlist, but I think 00:48:27.829 --> 00:48:32.349 you really have to... Be open -minded and explore 00:48:32.349 --> 00:48:34.510 other artists because some of the best stuff 00:48:34.510 --> 00:48:37.489 is just not it's not going to be as accessible 00:48:37.489 --> 00:48:41.630 and the Country music radio. There's some very 00:48:41.630 --> 00:48:44.309 good songwriting out there a lot of your top 00:48:44.309 --> 00:48:46.590 artists are Performing songs that are written 00:48:46.590 --> 00:48:50.409 by other people but the emotional tracks, I think 00:48:50.409 --> 00:48:54.750 they just scratch the surface sometimes and Sure, 00:48:55.530 --> 00:48:58.050 but but that track in particular. I think that 00:48:58.050 --> 00:49:01.510 it's powerful And it may, like you said, actually 00:49:01.510 --> 00:49:05.929 have a healing power for those who have gone 00:49:05.929 --> 00:49:07.829 through it or opens a conversation, like you 00:49:07.829 --> 00:49:10.750 said. Yeah, I'm glad you picked up, by the way, 00:49:10.809 --> 00:49:15.309 the the how the first it first it doesn't it's 00:49:15.309 --> 00:49:17.449 not obvious what it's about. And it's because 00:49:17.449 --> 00:49:20.210 I very deliberately wrote it that way that the 00:49:20.210 --> 00:49:23.110 first two verses make it sound like it could 00:49:23.110 --> 00:49:26.829 easily be like a romance that went wrong and 00:49:26.829 --> 00:49:29.590 that. it's oh it's a love that's gone away and 00:49:29.590 --> 00:49:32.530 then the third verse it's very direct with no 00:49:32.530 --> 00:49:37.630 this is what this is actually about and and i 00:49:37.630 --> 00:49:39.650 i appreciate that somebody's kind of picked up 00:49:39.650 --> 00:49:41.110 with that because for the most part everyone's 00:49:41.110 --> 00:49:43.630 always said to me because i used to be quite 00:49:43.630 --> 00:49:45.889 coy with what it's about until it got to that 00:49:45.889 --> 00:49:49.730 point um but people it meant that people were 00:49:49.730 --> 00:49:52.289 even not listening when i played it or they kind 00:49:52.289 --> 00:49:54.690 of said that they knew what it was all about 00:49:54.690 --> 00:49:57.920 so now i'm very upfront when i when I start playing 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.659 it I say I tell I like to tell the stories of 00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:03.320 the songs before I go into them on stage now 00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:07.139 which means that I spend for some people's tastes 00:50:07.139 --> 00:50:09.059 probably a little bit too much time on stage 00:50:09.059 --> 00:50:11.599 talking there are definitely some people who 00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:16.960 make that opinion known but there are also a 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:18.920 lot of people the people who kind of get it and 00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:21.780 like what I do they people they say I love the 00:50:21.780 --> 00:50:23.980 way you tell the stories I love knowing more 00:50:23.980 --> 00:50:27.639 about what you're singing about and I think okay 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.159 that's cool that you guys are my audience then 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.900 you guys get it and that ties into what you were 00:50:33.900 --> 00:50:38.440 saying about um the different uh like the the 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:41.119 good stuff now not necessarily being in like 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.059 the top 40 and and I think it's a wonderful thing 00:50:44.059 --> 00:50:48.280 about music now is that everything is like everything's 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:50.820 broken off into lots of small niches there's 00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:53.380 no you can you can sort of put it one way of 00:50:53.380 --> 00:50:57.050 like there's no like water cooler moments with 00:50:57.050 --> 00:51:00.489 bit with like film and television and music but 00:51:00.489 --> 00:51:03.409 what's what's beautiful instead is like no everyone's 00:51:03.409 --> 00:51:06.750 now got their thing it's like it used to be like 00:51:06.750 --> 00:51:08.409 the the good advice was like oh you know you 00:51:08.409 --> 00:51:10.789 need to write like broad songs that like everybody 00:51:10.789 --> 00:51:13.929 can appreciate whereas the advice these days 00:51:13.929 --> 00:51:16.269 is like no no no just dig down and find your 00:51:16.269 --> 00:51:20.210 thing because trust me there is an audience for 00:51:20.210 --> 00:51:23.650 whatever it is that you do whatever it is that 00:51:23.650 --> 00:51:25.929 you're into whatever kind of weird art that you 00:51:25.929 --> 00:51:28.090 want to make there are you've got the power of 00:51:28.090 --> 00:51:31.769 the internet now there are hundreds if not thousands 00:51:31.769 --> 00:51:35.710 of people who will get what you're doing and 00:51:35.710 --> 00:51:38.889 and you and you can be therefore be more authentic 00:51:38.889 --> 00:51:42.110 that way which yeah it means like you say you 00:51:42.110 --> 00:51:44.570 you gotta do the work you gotta like go looking 00:51:44.570 --> 00:51:49.469 for the stuff that like jibes with you but once 00:51:49.469 --> 00:51:53.150 you find it oh it's It's magic like some of my 00:51:53.150 --> 00:51:55.949 absolute favorite artists in the whole world 00:51:55.949 --> 00:51:59.690 have a very small but very very like passionate 00:51:59.690 --> 00:52:04.570 and motivated fan base that will like that will 00:52:04.570 --> 00:52:06.230 that are they're passionate and motivated enough 00:52:06.230 --> 00:52:09.369 to give them the career that they need in order 00:52:09.369 --> 00:52:12.170 to keep going but they're they've got these wonderful 00:52:12.170 --> 00:52:15.690 levels of fame where they're to their fans to 00:52:15.690 --> 00:52:17.730 that they're all small community who know who 00:52:17.730 --> 00:52:20.130 they are and get what they're doing that like 00:52:20.329 --> 00:52:22.849 they're like friggin rock stars, but like they 00:52:22.849 --> 00:52:24.789 could still just walk down the street and just 00:52:24.789 --> 00:52:28.949 be like some guy. Like, no, it's not like, they're 00:52:28.949 --> 00:52:31.409 not like Ed Sheeran or anything, or like to use 00:52:31.409 --> 00:52:33.510 like, I don't know, a more American example. 00:52:33.710 --> 00:52:35.510 It's like, it's not like Steve Tyler or something. 00:52:35.630 --> 00:52:37.570 They're not gonna like just say like, oh my God, 00:52:37.630 --> 00:52:39.230 there's Steve Tyler from Aerosmith and like. 00:52:39.340 --> 00:52:43.320 Mob him or whatever They can just walk down the 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.039 street and just get on with their day and just 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:47.280 you know go to the post office or go to the grocery 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:50.460 store and do their thing but like their fans 00:52:50.460 --> 00:52:53.280 like know them and will stop them and never chat 00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.460 with them, but yeah, it's the kind of fame such 00:52:57.460 --> 00:53:00.000 as it is that I would I would like I would like 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.010 that kind of career where There's a bunch of 00:53:03.010 --> 00:53:05.630 people who know what I do and really love what 00:53:05.630 --> 00:53:07.829 I do and come out and give me the career that 00:53:07.829 --> 00:53:10.670 I need. But I'm also able to just go to the park 00:53:10.670 --> 00:53:14.409 with my child and everyone else there just goes, 00:53:14.630 --> 00:53:18.250 oh, it's some bald guy with his daughter. You 00:53:18.250 --> 00:53:20.809 said something on Martin's podcast that I thought 00:53:20.809 --> 00:53:26.590 was so relatable and so refreshing to hear. And 00:53:26.590 --> 00:53:28.849 again, I want people to listen to this episode, 00:53:29.070 --> 00:53:34.650 Martin's episode. But when you said, I don't 00:53:34.650 --> 00:53:38.909 need all these extravagant things. I don't have 00:53:38.909 --> 00:53:43.809 to attain all of this material wealth. And I 00:53:43.809 --> 00:53:47.750 just want my daughter to be happy. I just want 00:53:47.750 --> 00:53:53.269 to have a happy fulfilled life. And you probably 00:53:53.269 --> 00:53:56.550 get more out of touching other people with your 00:53:56.550 --> 00:53:59.489 music and getting like, like you said, that feedback 00:53:59.489 --> 00:54:03.719 and creating something that resonates with somebody 00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.860 on a deep level. That's probably more fulfilling 00:54:06.860 --> 00:54:09.539 than the guy that's sitting on a mountain of 00:54:09.539 --> 00:54:15.139 money. Because I've certainly met some old, wealthy 00:54:15.139 --> 00:54:19.800 folks, and not all of them look like something's 00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:21.539 lacking. But I would say a good number of them 00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:25.360 who I've met in my career, you think, geez, why 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:27.860 are they not happier? How come their children 00:54:27.860 --> 00:54:29.780 don't talk to them when they're adult kids don't 00:54:29.780 --> 00:54:32.300 come see them and they've yeah, they go play 00:54:32.300 --> 00:54:36.260 golf they go But they don't seem like they're 00:54:36.260 --> 00:54:44.559 as happy as I would think they would be but there's 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:46.119 there's something behind the eyes isn't there 00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:47.599 there's just there's like a there's a sparkle 00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:50.760 that's maybe not there but um yeah without without 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.260 wanting to like tread uh retread too much of 00:54:53.260 --> 00:54:55.239 what i said on martin's podcast because yeah 00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:57.460 like uh like dan said uh you should definitely 00:54:57.460 --> 00:55:00.039 go check it out i think the only place that i 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:03.059 know that's available is on youtube but uh but 00:55:03.059 --> 00:55:04.900 yeah definitely go check it out if you if if 00:55:04.900 --> 00:55:09.010 you're able to um but uh It's what I say on that 00:55:09.010 --> 00:55:11.710 podcast is like it is that some people are motivated 00:55:11.710 --> 00:55:14.650 by those kind of More material things and that 00:55:14.650 --> 00:55:17.750 is absolutely fine It is not for me to say that 00:55:17.750 --> 00:55:20.489 that you should not be motivated by those things 00:55:20.489 --> 00:55:23.030 and it but what it comes down to is you got you 00:55:23.030 --> 00:55:26.929 have to work out what makes you happy and Pursue 00:55:26.929 --> 00:55:29.409 that and and if that's those material things, 00:55:29.429 --> 00:55:31.989 that's fine That's not a problem as long as you're 00:55:31.989 --> 00:55:35.769 not hurting anybody else in order to do it But 00:55:35.769 --> 00:55:40.530 yeah, I just the more I kind of engaged with 00:55:40.530 --> 00:55:43.389 the world, the more I realized that that paradigm 00:55:43.389 --> 00:55:48.849 of success of like the the money, the car, the 00:55:48.849 --> 00:55:51.929 the house and like all those material things. 00:55:52.710 --> 00:55:55.530 You know, I was born in the 80s and like we were 00:55:55.530 --> 00:55:59.070 growing up. I didn't grow up under Margaret Thatcher, 00:55:59.250 --> 00:56:03.070 but like her legacy kind of definitely. like 00:56:03.070 --> 00:56:05.670 Reagan in your country, it kind of affected the 00:56:05.670 --> 00:56:09.369 discourse in that way. But yeah, the more I grew 00:56:09.369 --> 00:56:12.130 up, like the more I questioned like, yeah, I 00:56:12.130 --> 00:56:15.269 don't think that's me. It doesn't like, it certainly 00:56:15.269 --> 00:56:18.670 didn't motivate me. Like it definitely wasn't 00:56:18.670 --> 00:56:20.369 something that made me get out of bed. It was 00:56:20.369 --> 00:56:24.150 just kind of like, yeah, okay, I guess. And then 00:56:24.150 --> 00:56:27.110 I sort of realized that there are other ways 00:56:27.110 --> 00:56:32.250 to measure success and it was all about like 00:56:32.250 --> 00:56:37.170 what worked personally for you and yeah for me 00:56:37.170 --> 00:56:40.250 it's me and my wife are a lot more about experiences 00:56:40.250 --> 00:56:42.829 rather than than things that don't get me wrong 00:56:42.829 --> 00:56:45.829 we we have a we have a pretty comfortable existence 00:56:45.829 --> 00:56:48.829 where we're quite quite sort of happily middle 00:56:48.829 --> 00:56:50.909 class and i will never pretend that we're like 00:56:50.909 --> 00:56:54.610 oh we're poor and we're happy but um yeah we've 00:56:54.610 --> 00:56:57.210 we're we're reasonably comfortable but it's like 00:56:57.210 --> 00:57:00.510 we don't it's not our lives aren't defined by 00:57:00.510 --> 00:57:03.909 that and it's more about like pursuing the things 00:57:03.909 --> 00:57:08.489 that the experiences and the fulfillment that 00:57:08.489 --> 00:57:11.650 will make us happy. For my wife she's starting 00:57:11.650 --> 00:57:17.289 out in self -employment as an ADHD coach. For 00:57:17.289 --> 00:57:21.110 me it's my music and then for both of us between 00:57:21.110 --> 00:57:24.010 us it's just it's raising our daughter into like 00:57:24.010 --> 00:57:28.449 this kind person, this kind... wonderfully kind 00:57:28.449 --> 00:57:31.250 and wonderfully funny person that she is, because 00:57:31.250 --> 00:57:34.789 those are the things that both of us value is 00:57:34.789 --> 00:57:39.610 is kindness and humor. And yeah, it's about finding, 00:57:40.409 --> 00:57:43.630 finding your own path and finding what success 00:57:43.630 --> 00:57:48.690 means to you. That's beautifully spoken. It's 00:57:48.690 --> 00:57:51.289 not judging other people for what they're seeking. 00:57:52.210 --> 00:57:54.949 Because some people everyone is is different. 00:57:54.989 --> 00:57:59.099 Everyone's wired differently. but I relate to 00:57:59.099 --> 00:58:02.340 what you're saying. I like to, if my children 00:58:02.340 --> 00:58:06.360 are happy, and I know that you have a background 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:10.880 in theater and acting. Again, Martin went over 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:14.980 some of this stuff as well, but my son, my oldest 00:58:14.980 --> 00:58:19.500 son, Warren, he had his first summer camp this 00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:21.980 year, and I thought about maybe a traditional 00:58:21.980 --> 00:58:25.440 camp, but then I stopped myself. and said, wait 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:28.800 a second, he's always reciting things. Whether 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:31.900 it's a movie he's been watching or when he comes 00:58:31.900 --> 00:58:36.420 home from school and recites a whole lesson plan. 00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.199 And so we enrolled him in a theater camp and 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:43.199 he so enjoyed it. And I think that's, I would 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.539 recommend any of my listeners that have children, 00:58:46.659 --> 00:58:50.880 nobody's more in tune than you are to their tendencies 00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:54.360 and their quirks and their interests. You know, 00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:57.159 if you see something there, put them in a position 00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:00.260 where they might really thrive, you know, and 00:59:00.260 --> 00:59:02.980 so we put them in this theater camp and I wish 00:59:02.980 --> 00:59:05.000 we could have him doing something all throughout 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:07.400 the year. We just don't have the budget for it 00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.280 right now, but certainly we'll do another camp 00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:12.639 because he loves that sort of thing. And I know 00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:16.320 with your daughter too, does she enjoy what you 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:20.519 did growing up? Yeah, I mean, she... She currently 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.599 goes to, there's something on a Saturday morning 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:27.320 called Stagecoach over here where it's like, 00:59:27.579 --> 00:59:29.059 they just get, it's like an hour and a half and 00:59:29.059 --> 00:59:33.599 it's like they do like dance and singing and 00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.599 performance and everything like that. And yeah, 00:59:36.860 --> 00:59:41.400 she really loves it. We always hoped that she 00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:45.119 would enjoy any kind of, you know. being theatrical 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.340 because me and my wife were both theatre kids 00:59:48.340 --> 00:59:50.980 like growing up up until like fairly recently 00:59:50.980 --> 00:59:54.059 we were both still doing uh what we would call 00:59:54.059 --> 00:59:57.300 uh amdram in this country amateur dramatics like 00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:59.619 uh community theater i guess you guys would call 00:59:59.619 --> 01:00:03.739 it there um But yeah, so we kind of we always 01:00:03.739 --> 01:00:06.619 thought well, it's obviously what makes us happy 01:00:06.619 --> 01:00:08.900 is that she finds the things that make her happy 01:00:08.900 --> 01:00:11.679 But like we always thought hmm It would be really 01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:13.199 nice if it was the theater because obviously 01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.139 we share that we'd have that we'd be able to 01:00:15.139 --> 01:00:19.199 share that passion with her and I am not a I'm 01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:21.699 not a sports person at all But if my daughter 01:00:21.699 --> 01:00:24.280 turned out to be into soccer, I would be like, 01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:26.559 yep. I'll be watching her every Sunday morning 01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:30.760 I will cheer her on I will learn the rules and 01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:34.920 pretend that I like it. But yeah, I'd obviously 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:39.199 be, I'm glad that she's not into that and that 01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:42.380 theatrical stuff seems to be more her thing. 01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.099 Also art, art's her thing, like drawing and colouring 01:00:45.099 --> 01:00:47.360 things. She'll happily sit down and just draw 01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.820 and colour things for what feels like forever. 01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:53.480 But yeah, it's great. She does seem to enjoy 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:56.000 that stuff. I mean, I don't, it's very early 01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.340 on in all of that at the moment, but I was told, 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:03.360 I picked her up yesterday from a session and 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:06.000 I was told she had the loudest voice when we 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:07.480 were doing the singing. I thought, okay, that's 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.179 good. I don't necessarily know if that means 01:01:09.179 --> 01:01:12.500 that she's the best, but she's definitely got 01:01:12.500 --> 01:01:15.619 the confidence to project it. And so that's cool. 01:01:15.619 --> 01:01:19.079 That's fun. I'm glad that she's having that fun 01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.199 at the moment. Maybe the apple didn't fall too 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:26.400 far from the tree. Yeah, I think between me and 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:29.679 my wife she wasn't gonna have it was it's not 01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:36.119 a massive surprise Well, then this has been fantastic, 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:39.780 I mean I could talk about your career and and 01:01:39.780 --> 01:01:44.000 Just explore more avenues here with you. I know 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:45.900 that you're you're writing some new material 01:01:45.900 --> 01:01:47.940 We mentioned a couple times this conversation 01:01:47.940 --> 01:01:51.519 and you may have even already told me when you're 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:55.199 planning to release some new tracks Yeah, that's 01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:57.559 right. There's an album that's in the works at 01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:00.059 the moment. I'm currently demoing it with the 01:02:00.059 --> 01:02:03.599 idea to get a couple of musicians I know to come 01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:06.280 and play on it. This has got like the rough ideas 01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:09.880 so I can send that to them and say this but better 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:13.500 please and then we'll demo it with them on it 01:02:13.500 --> 01:02:16.900 and then we'll go in with a producer to get it 01:02:16.900 --> 01:02:19.059 recorded. So that's all in the works at the moment. 01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:23.420 The idea is that the album will be out sort of 01:02:23.420 --> 01:02:25.960 like this time next year uh but there'll be like 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:28.719 a couple of singles in advance of that throughout 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:32.780 the year like hopefully april time april may 01:02:32.780 --> 01:02:34.480 will be like the first one and then there'll 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:37.719 be maybe one or two more uh between that and 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.320 the album release so yeah but throughout 2024 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:44.800 there there should be releases coming uh so yeah 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:48.260 watch this space gracious listeners and uh we 01:02:48.260 --> 01:02:51.599 will have at Dan Thomas music for you to listen 01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:56.460 to very, very soon. Dan, I almost forgot everyone 01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:58.980 who listens to Dan time and enjoys this podcast, 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:03.159 please interact with my guests on their socials. 01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:08.019 Dan, your Facebook page is you're so interactive. 01:03:08.219 --> 01:03:11.659 That just really struck me. It is a fun destination 01:03:11.659 --> 01:03:14.780 for people to follow your music. The videos on 01:03:14.780 --> 01:03:17.360 there. Specifically, I think you had you're on 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:20.900 your way to a show in St. Albans, maybe. Is that 01:03:20.900 --> 01:03:23.980 correct? Yeah. Is that the one from me in the 01:03:23.980 --> 01:03:27.059 car? Yeah. Coming back for you. I love that. 01:03:28.420 --> 01:03:31.619 I just turned on a camera and I just I just chat 01:03:31.619 --> 01:03:34.539 nonsense when I do it, because that's that's 01:03:34.539 --> 01:03:38.860 just me. And I go, yeah, they send that on put 01:03:38.860 --> 01:03:41.280 that on the Internet. It's really great because 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:44.800 I go to a lot of pages. I wouldn't say that anybody's 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.599 doing it wrong, but your approach to interacting 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:49.679 and connecting with your fans, you really make 01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:52.559 it a fun experience for them. They get to see 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.199 a different side to Dan Thomas, whereas they 01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:57.960 just listen to the music, you've got one impression. 01:03:58.219 --> 01:04:00.039 But then they see, oh, he's got a great sense 01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:04.639 of humor too. Oh, bless you. Thank you. Yeah. 01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:06.699 I mean, I wouldn't have discovered your music 01:04:06.699 --> 01:04:10.400 if I just hadn't run that ridiculous Google search. 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:14.289 And I'm so glad that I did. My hope for this 01:04:14.289 --> 01:04:18.309 podcast is that the concept of Dan talking to 01:04:18.309 --> 01:04:21.929 other Dan's will at least inspire you to find 01:04:21.929 --> 01:04:25.369 a common thread with other people. And whether 01:04:25.369 --> 01:04:27.150 your name is Steve and you're like, well, let 01:04:27.150 --> 01:04:28.969 me shoot. I never thought about that. Let me 01:04:28.969 --> 01:04:32.909 look up other Steve's who play bass guitar or 01:04:32.909 --> 01:04:35.989 anything like that. Just we're more relatable 01:04:35.989 --> 01:04:39.530 than we think we are. And so that's what I'm 01:04:39.530 --> 01:04:41.929 trying to to promote here, and I'm so glad that 01:04:41.929 --> 01:04:44.389 I discovered Dan's music because of the concept 01:04:44.389 --> 01:04:48.210 of my show, and that I'm able to expose Dan to 01:04:48.210 --> 01:04:51.710 my listeners. Well, Dan, you've been so generous 01:04:51.710 --> 01:04:55.389 with your time here. I usually wind down with 01:04:55.389 --> 01:05:00.889 some random questions, just some yes or no skittles 01:05:00.889 --> 01:05:04.710 or M &Ms type nonsense. You got time for maybe 01:05:04.710 --> 01:05:06.849 three or four questions? Yeah, totally, man. 01:05:06.849 --> 01:05:11.139 I've got time. I'm good. OK. Where so over here 01:05:11.139 --> 01:05:13.519 in the states, you know, we do our shopping at 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:19.079 Publix Target Walmart. Oh my gosh. I mean anybody 01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:21.500 listening to this show who works at Walmart and 01:05:21.500 --> 01:05:24.559 nothing against you I'm just not a big fan of 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:28.239 your store or the experience and where do you 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:32.260 guys do your shopping for Your essentials your 01:05:32.260 --> 01:05:35.139 groceries and then I have a follow -up question. 01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.030 Okay, sure. We've we've got We've got a couple 01:05:38.030 --> 01:05:43.690 of what we'd call supermarket stores. Tesco is 01:05:43.690 --> 01:05:50.070 one that we use. They're the largest private 01:05:50.070 --> 01:05:53.489 employer in the country and the second largest 01:05:53.489 --> 01:05:56.110 employer overall behind the National Health Service. 01:05:56.849 --> 01:05:58.929 I found it. My wife used to work for their head 01:05:58.929 --> 01:06:02.250 office. That's how I know those details. There's 01:06:02.250 --> 01:06:04.969 other places. There's Asda, which is owned by 01:06:04.969 --> 01:06:13.369 Walmart. There's Sainsbury's, Aldi, Lidl, Waitrose. 01:06:13.469 --> 01:06:18.250 That's kind of like a more upmarket one. Morrison's. 01:06:18.389 --> 01:06:21.170 Yeah, there's lots of like these different like. 01:06:23.299 --> 01:06:25.679 Superstore brand places and they'll they're all 01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:27.219 like a different sizes as well They've got like 01:06:27.219 --> 01:06:28.780 different categories of stores. You like you've 01:06:28.780 --> 01:06:30.579 got that the superstore ones where you can have 01:06:30.579 --> 01:06:33.280 like you've got like clothes and Electronics 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:35.019 and stuff in there and then you've just got all 01:06:35.019 --> 01:06:38.239 the way down to Like the little there was like 01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.260 almost like little corner shop versions where 01:06:41.260 --> 01:06:43.960 it's like they just have your basic groceries 01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:46.880 and like you can pick up the paper or whatever 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:50.940 in there and or your magazines or just your beer. 01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:56.679 But yeah, we have a plethora of choices in the 01:06:56.679 --> 01:07:00.380 UK. Well, we have Aldi. We're starting to see 01:07:00.380 --> 01:07:03.099 more Aldi over here. Oh, OK. I didn't realize 01:07:03.099 --> 01:07:07.800 it got to you guys. Yeah, I like Aldi. It's a 01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:11.619 little bit different experience. The question 01:07:11.619 --> 01:07:15.340 I have that connects to this, do you ever or 01:07:15.340 --> 01:07:22.179 do you ever wish Let me back up. Do you ever 01:07:22.179 --> 01:07:24.480 jump on the back of your shopping cart and take 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.480 it for a ride through the parking lot? You know, 01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:29.119 when you're hitting a little patch there where 01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:32.719 you can really get some speed. Do you ever see 01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:34.659 anybody do that or you ever go for it every once 01:07:34.659 --> 01:07:40.500 in a while? All the time. Yes. My wife gets so 01:07:40.500 --> 01:07:45.840 upset with me. I was so I will push it down the 01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:49.039 aisle and kind of like lean over the bar and 01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:52.139 make sure my feet are dangling in the air probably 01:07:52.139 --> 01:07:56.820 also shouting we Think that's the bit that upsets 01:07:56.820 --> 01:07:59.840 my wife But I was thinking about that all day 01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:02.480 and I was thinking I hope Dan says yes. Oh god. 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:07.039 Yes, absolutely It's I I am 37, but that does 01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:12.579 not mean I'm a grown -up Do you have the accelerator 01:08:12.579 --> 01:08:17.600 hand dryer in restrooms? The end the elevator 01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:21.819 It is basically a high -powered air blaster way, 01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:24.439 you know in lieu of paper towels You're using 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.319 the the men's room and you're coming out. Do 01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:31.100 they have those? We have yeah, we have something 01:08:31.100 --> 01:08:33.680 similar like we used to have like we used to 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:35.520 have like the good old -fashioned head or the 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:39.569 hand dryers that would just ineffectually sort 01:08:39.569 --> 01:08:42.529 of spit air at you. And now they've got like, 01:08:42.689 --> 01:08:46.390 there's a brand, there's a brand, it's UK, a 01:08:46.390 --> 01:08:50.869 UK based brand called Dyson, which they regulate 01:08:50.869 --> 01:08:53.189 their main sort of stock and trade is vacuum 01:08:53.189 --> 01:08:55.689 cleaners. But they also do these, they have things 01:08:55.689 --> 01:08:58.109 called air blades as well, where it's like, you 01:08:58.109 --> 01:09:00.010 put your hands in it, and it's like this one 01:09:00.010 --> 01:09:04.149 big, high pressure bit of air that kind of takes 01:09:04.149 --> 01:09:08.569 all the water off of your hands. But Yeah, we 01:09:08.569 --> 01:09:11.689 have, we do have those. Yes. I have a, I have 01:09:11.689 --> 01:09:14.050 a friend of mine who refuses to use those. He 01:09:14.050 --> 01:09:17.289 says it's just, uh, he doesn't trust it. He thinks 01:09:17.289 --> 01:09:19.869 that the germs are going to be flying everywhere 01:09:19.869 --> 01:09:23.449 with your wet hands. And, um, he, he just does, 01:09:23.729 --> 01:09:28.489 he does not like them, but, uh, okay. Not, no, 01:09:28.529 --> 01:09:30.710 I've never thought about it actually. Um, well, 01:09:30.750 --> 01:09:32.010 cause they do, cause they do say, don't you, 01:09:32.130 --> 01:09:34.689 that like when, when you're, if you've, uh, if 01:09:34.689 --> 01:09:37.850 you've been to the bathroom and you've been for 01:09:37.850 --> 01:09:40.270 you know number two without getting into vulgar 01:09:40.270 --> 01:09:42.090 language on this podcast. I don't know how much 01:09:42.090 --> 01:09:45.590 we can and can't swear. But come right up to 01:09:45.590 --> 01:09:48.689 the edge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're going for 01:09:48.689 --> 01:09:51.789 going for Tuesdays, then you should when you're 01:09:51.789 --> 01:09:54.250 before you flush, you should close the lid because 01:09:54.250 --> 01:09:57.090 of something they call toilet plume, which is 01:09:57.090 --> 01:09:59.229 when you flush, it's like it just sort of sends 01:09:59.229 --> 01:10:02.109 a lot of the bacteria up into up into the air. 01:10:02.210 --> 01:10:03.789 And particularly if you're in your bathroom at 01:10:03.789 --> 01:10:05.770 home, they say that stuff just ends up landing 01:10:05.770 --> 01:10:07.960 on you. Think about that landing on your toothbrush 01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:12.319 and then that will make you close the lid. And 01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:15.020 it definitely worked on me. I'm like, I don't, 01:10:15.020 --> 01:10:17.819 I've not looked into myself. I don't know how 01:10:17.819 --> 01:10:19.859 true that is, but it's enough to make me think, 01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:22.300 well, if there's a chance that it's true, it's 01:10:22.300 --> 01:10:24.199 not exactly hurting me to put the toilet lid 01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:28.979 down. So on a similar note, I can kind of think 01:10:28.979 --> 01:10:31.539 that, yeah, I can see how like high pressure 01:10:31.539 --> 01:10:34.770 blasts of air could if there is any bacteria 01:10:34.770 --> 01:10:37.989 but the counterpoint to that is that it's to 01:10:37.989 --> 01:10:41.289 dry your hands after you have washed them so 01:10:41.289 --> 01:10:44.289 therefore if you have washed your hands correctly 01:10:44.289 --> 01:10:47.689 they shouldn't be blowing bacteria around so 01:10:47.689 --> 01:10:50.909 there's the rebuttal to your friend is is that 01:10:50.909 --> 01:10:53.550 well if that's something you're worried about 01:10:53.550 --> 01:10:58.130 wash your hands better man there you go jimmy 01:10:58.130 --> 01:11:00.859 i'm gonna go ahead and out him Please feel free, 01:11:00.979 --> 01:11:03.880 Jimmy, to send your rebuttal back to me. I'll 01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:08.140 have a respectful debate with you about this. 01:11:08.739 --> 01:11:13.000 We can disagree and part as friends. That's how 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:18.840 I like to roll. Dan, when you're performing and 01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:22.479 somebody comes up to you with a request, there's 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:24.180 probably a lot of songs where you say, hey, listen, 01:11:24.180 --> 01:11:26.779 I appreciate it, but I don't really know that 01:11:26.779 --> 01:11:30.340 one. Do you have to turn a lot of people down 01:11:30.340 --> 01:11:33.680 and say, I just don't play that song or I'm not 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:35.699 going to play that song? Or do you get people 01:11:35.699 --> 01:11:39.239 to ask you to play songs that you think, dude, 01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:41.380 could you have come up with something besides 01:11:41.380 --> 01:11:46.380 Freebird or? I mean, Freebird is not really the 01:11:46.380 --> 01:11:50.659 best example, but I mean, that's that is the 01:11:50.659 --> 01:11:52.399 that's the quintessential one, isn't it? Like 01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:55.140 the quintessential heckle from somewhere in the 01:11:55.140 --> 01:11:59.020 audience is hearing. Rebirth and just go oh don't 01:11:59.020 --> 01:12:01.859 be that guy come on that's a that's a cliche 01:12:01.859 --> 01:12:05.500 at this point surely uh but yes to answer your 01:12:05.500 --> 01:12:08.899 question i i do i i have because a lot of what 01:12:08.899 --> 01:12:11.539 i do to to try and make money from what i do 01:12:11.539 --> 01:12:14.220 is i'll do like the covers shows so i'll just 01:12:14.220 --> 01:12:18.260 go to uh a bar on a friday night and play a set 01:12:18.260 --> 01:12:22.420 of of cover tunes and um there are there are 01:12:22.420 --> 01:12:25.279 some people who will ask ah can you play can 01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:29.100 you play this song and to be fair most of the 01:12:29.100 --> 01:12:31.640 time if i don't know if i know it then then i'll 01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:34.619 go yeah sure i can okay i can do that if i know 01:12:34.619 --> 01:12:37.239 if i know it and i haven't played it yet obviously 01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:41.319 um but uh if i if i don't know it and i say i'm 01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:42.939 really sorry man i don't know that song for the 01:12:42.939 --> 01:12:45.500 most part they're kind of like they're like oh 01:12:45.500 --> 01:12:47.920 okay now no worries no no problem or in the very 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:50.739 least they'll be all very obviously disappointed 01:12:50.739 --> 01:12:54.760 but like respectful about it. Occasionally, you 01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:57.359 know, I work in a, it's a line of work where 01:12:57.359 --> 01:13:01.279 I encounter a lot of drunk people. And a lot, 01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:05.399 sometimes drunk people aren't very polite or 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:09.159 reasonable. Or they were three hours ago, but 01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:11.840 then now they've had. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure they 01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:15.380 are. And the rest of their life. But yeah, I 01:13:15.380 --> 01:13:19.539 have, I have caught them at their most uninhibited. 01:13:21.149 --> 01:13:23.810 Yeah, there are certain songs that people will 01:13:23.810 --> 01:13:28.390 call and I'll just say, no, like the the go to 01:13:28.390 --> 01:13:32.029 one is this is also another cliche. And I don't 01:13:32.029 --> 01:13:35.970 know if it's as big a cliche in the US because 01:13:35.970 --> 01:13:39.869 obviously it's a British based band. But Wonderwall 01:13:39.869 --> 01:13:43.829 by Oasis is like sure, particularly as a guy 01:13:43.829 --> 01:13:46.569 up on stage with an acoustic guitar. It's like 01:13:46.569 --> 01:13:50.340 people go like. there are certain people when 01:13:50.340 --> 01:13:53.340 they're really drunk will be like play wonderwall 01:13:53.340 --> 01:13:58.640 and it's like I have real opinions about playing 01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:03.069 wonder about about wonderwall and like The when 01:14:03.069 --> 01:14:05.869 people call that out and and I'm sure this is 01:14:05.869 --> 01:14:09.130 not true of everybody at all But it just makes 01:14:09.130 --> 01:14:12.770 people come across like the worst gen X bores 01:14:12.770 --> 01:14:16.590 who? Like think music stopped in its entirety 01:14:16.590 --> 01:14:20.109 in the year 1995 no new songs have come out since 01:14:20.109 --> 01:14:23.770 then Wonderwall was the end of music and they've 01:14:23.770 --> 01:14:26.430 they've not Developed their imagination probably 01:14:26.430 --> 01:14:28.810 because they took one too many pills in the 90s 01:14:29.130 --> 01:14:33.470 That is as broad stroke and aggressive as I get 01:14:33.470 --> 01:14:35.430 about my music opinions. I'm sorry if there are 01:14:35.430 --> 01:14:37.350 any people out there who love Wonderwall and 01:14:37.350 --> 01:14:41.069 that does not reflect their life at all because, 01:14:41.109 --> 01:14:43.909 you know, all shapes and sizes, all walks of 01:14:43.909 --> 01:14:47.010 life and everything else. But yeah, there are 01:14:47.010 --> 01:14:51.250 I have encountered a lot of the most aggressive, 01:14:51.250 --> 01:14:57.649 difficult people I've ever encountered in this 01:14:57.649 --> 01:15:01.300 job are the Wonderwall crowd, the Oasis crowd. 01:15:01.659 --> 01:15:03.939 Oh, okay, it's another one of these guys. All 01:15:03.939 --> 01:15:06.899 right, cool. We're doing that at this gig tonight, 01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:13.039 fine. I could see that. When I was, I did some 01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:15.420 college radio in the late 90s in a band that 01:15:15.420 --> 01:15:18.279 I really, I guess I could say fell in love with, 01:15:18.340 --> 01:15:21.359 but they turned me on to... Really opened up 01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:24.239 my eyes to some new music was the verve and Richard 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:27.380 Ashcroft Oh, yeah, is is he still pretty well 01:15:27.380 --> 01:15:29.779 regarded around there? Did have you seen him 01:15:29.779 --> 01:15:32.060 perform or do you like his music? Do you know 01:15:32.060 --> 01:15:34.439 what? He's he's one of those guys the verve and 01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:37.060 Richard Ashcroft is he is he's well regarded 01:15:37.060 --> 01:15:39.140 He's one of those people that's just never really 01:15:39.140 --> 01:15:43.560 been on my Radar that much not just because not 01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:45.560 because I don't like it or anything, but the 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:49.369 only the only song There's bittersweet symphony 01:15:49.369 --> 01:15:52.529 is like the big one of theirs. Yeah, that gets 01:15:52.529 --> 01:15:55.710 played a lot over here. It always just makes 01:15:55.710 --> 01:15:57.470 me think of the movie Cruel Intentions because 01:15:57.470 --> 01:16:01.210 it's just it's in the finale of that. But then 01:16:01.210 --> 01:16:04.430 there's the song that the drugs don't work, which 01:16:04.430 --> 01:16:07.729 I know I've heard, but for the life of me, I 01:16:07.729 --> 01:16:09.369 can't even remember how it goes right now. And 01:16:09.369 --> 01:16:12.250 so that's it's just like they're just a blind 01:16:12.250 --> 01:16:16.640 spot. in my musical education. Because I think 01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:18.920 we've all got that with certain bits of pop culture. 01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:22.899 For a very long time, I hadn't seen the movie 01:16:22.899 --> 01:16:24.520 Schindler's List and people said to me, you've 01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:26.500 never seen Schindler's List. And I'm like, no, 01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:28.819 I just haven't got around to it. And then one 01:16:28.819 --> 01:16:30.920 day I did. And I'm glad I did, because it's a 01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.260 great piece of art. But yeah, it was just one 01:16:33.260 --> 01:16:35.680 of those things of I hadn't got around to it 01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:37.880 my wife when we met she'd never seen any of the 01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:41.159 toy story films and she was 30 when we'd met 01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:43.939 and we kind of of that generation like how have 01:16:43.939 --> 01:16:45.739 you gone through life with that there was a bunch 01:16:45.739 --> 01:16:47.460 of Disney movies that she'd not seen because 01:16:47.460 --> 01:16:49.100 she's a little bit older than me so they were 01:16:49.100 --> 01:16:51.500 cut they're a couple that from like that Disney 01:16:51.500 --> 01:16:53.399 Renaissance period like around like the Lion 01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:55.779 King and everything where that she'd missed those 01:16:55.779 --> 01:16:59.180 so yeah I guess so by the point that I'm making 01:16:59.180 --> 01:17:01.119 is yeah, Richard Ashcroft and The Verve are just 01:17:01.119 --> 01:17:04.000 one of those for me. It's just like they've just, 01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:09.100 we've just not crossed paths properly. You know, 01:17:09.100 --> 01:17:10.960 if you have missed a lot of those children's 01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:13.779 movies growing up, you get a chance to catch 01:17:13.779 --> 01:17:17.420 up on them if you have a child. If you have a 01:17:17.420 --> 01:17:20.119 child and you have a pandemic going on and a 01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:25.760 Disney Plus subscription. Dan, what, speaking 01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:30.250 of of, well, let's just say, what's your favorite 01:17:30.250 --> 01:17:34.109 or one of your favorite albums to listen to front 01:17:34.109 --> 01:17:36.529 to back? Something that maybe you liked, you've 01:17:36.529 --> 01:17:39.569 liked ever since you were 19, 20, 25. Is there 01:17:39.569 --> 01:17:42.890 a band or an album? I know you mentioned Fleetwood 01:17:42.890 --> 01:17:47.800 Mac. Is there? Yeah, rumors by Fleetwood Mac 01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:52.300 is is a timeless classic that I I got into when 01:17:52.300 --> 01:17:54.560 I they were a blind spot for me for a while but 01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:58.899 I got into Fleetwood Mac when I was 22 and I 01:17:58.899 --> 01:18:01.600 I was I was watching I was I was getting my first 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:07.020 tattoo done At my my my university friends flat 01:18:07.020 --> 01:18:09.819 He had a friend who came by who was a tattoo 01:18:09.819 --> 01:18:11.899 artist and so she was in town So she was doing 01:18:11.899 --> 01:18:14.340 sort of like cheaper tattoos for pit for his 01:18:14.340 --> 01:18:16.619 friends it was all she was all licensed and everything 01:18:16.619 --> 01:18:20.439 it wasn't like backroom dodgy stuff uh but uh 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:22.380 to distract me when i was getting my tattoo down 01:18:22.380 --> 01:18:25.260 in my arm uh he was playing guitar hero in the 01:18:25.260 --> 01:18:28.659 corner uh and a song came on and i was like dude 01:18:28.659 --> 01:18:30.220 what is this and he said oh it's Fleetwood Mac 01:18:30.220 --> 01:18:32.939 i'm like okay cool i i guess i'm into Fleetwood 01:18:32.939 --> 01:18:35.439 Mac now it was the song go your own way which 01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:39.960 is uh to my to for my money still like one one 01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:44.420 of the all -time like great songs and uh and 01:18:44.420 --> 01:18:48.180 yeah so I then went and listened to particularly 01:18:48.180 --> 01:18:50.960 the Rumors album but like a bunch of their back 01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:52.939 catalogue and I was shocked by how many of the 01:18:52.939 --> 01:18:55.520 songs I actually knew because I'd heard other 01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:59.460 artists play them like Eva Cassidy did a cover 01:18:59.460 --> 01:19:03.399 of Songbird which is her version is beautiful 01:19:03.399 --> 01:19:05.399 but like the original that Christine V wrote 01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:11.020 was amazing Dreams by Stevie Nicks that was Covered 01:19:11.020 --> 01:19:14.840 by an Irish band called the cause And then of 01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:17.819 course the song the chain that that great bass 01:19:17.819 --> 01:19:24.880 line that That was the the theme tune for Formula 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:30.359 One racing in In the UK so like that's all of 01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:34.020 that Whenever that like grand as it for me one 01:19:34.020 --> 01:19:36.680 or Grand Prix and but yet like there's a there 01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:39.340 was like a car a race a car racing thing where 01:19:39.340 --> 01:19:42.600 that the theme tune for it in the UK was that 01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:45.060 section of the chain so like listening to the 01:19:45.060 --> 01:19:46.939 record I'm like oh my god I know this oh my god 01:19:46.939 --> 01:19:49.260 I know this and it's and it's like you like we 01:19:49.260 --> 01:19:50.659 were saying earlier on about some of those songs 01:19:50.659 --> 01:19:52.819 it's like they're just like you said they're 01:19:52.819 --> 01:19:56.020 not 70s songs they're just they're songs for 01:19:56.020 --> 01:19:59.180 all time you just you can listen to that album 01:19:59.180 --> 01:20:02.989 at Anytime and i'm i'm pretty sure that a thousand 01:20:02.989 --> 01:20:06.470 years from now if human society hasn't completely 01:20:06.470 --> 01:20:09.210 collapsed There will be people picking up rumors 01:20:09.210 --> 01:20:12.329 and go. Oh my god, man This is so relevant to 01:20:12.329 --> 01:20:15.569 today, even though this came out over a millennia 01:20:15.569 --> 01:20:20.670 ago So yeah, I guess rumors is one um Going I 01:20:20.670 --> 01:20:23.510 was going to just say it's incredible that fleet 01:20:23.510 --> 01:20:27.130 I mean Fleetwood Mac was it was bound to implode 01:20:27.130 --> 01:20:31.359 or disband You just think about the huge personalities 01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:36.039 in that band and the potential clashes that ended 01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:38.460 up happening. But the fact that they were able 01:20:38.460 --> 01:20:41.939 to keep that unit together to create those songs 01:20:41.939 --> 01:20:44.539 before they had to go their separate ways for 01:20:44.539 --> 01:20:48.479 what? A couple of decades. It's just. I mean, 01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:52.000 it's wonderful that that. Yeah. Room is especially 01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:56.020 it's like it's it's an even more remarkable achievement 01:20:56.020 --> 01:21:00.899 that. It's considering what the state of, just 01:21:00.899 --> 01:21:03.960 the absolute dire state of their personal relationships 01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:06.979 at the time. Like John McV and Christine McV 01:21:06.979 --> 01:21:09.800 were getting a divorce. during they broke up 01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:11.439 and got divorced whilst they were making that 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:15.020 album. Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham broke 01:21:15.020 --> 01:21:17.859 up during that album. Mick Fleetwood was going 01:21:17.859 --> 01:21:20.039 through a divorce with his wife whilst they were 01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:23.079 making that album and it's like the fact that 01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:29.020 they didn't just all scream F you and leave is 01:21:29.020 --> 01:21:31.779 cause for like it's like that's that's impressive 01:21:31.779 --> 01:21:35.189 enough but then not only did they stay and they 01:21:35.189 --> 01:21:38.609 finish an album the album that they made is an 01:21:38.609 --> 01:21:43.630 absolute timeless classic that like I said is 01:21:43.630 --> 01:21:45.630 still you listen to it now and it's like it's 01:21:45.630 --> 01:21:49.430 just it sounds just as powerful as it did in 01:21:49.430 --> 01:21:54.369 1977 when it came out it's yeah it's just it's 01:21:54.369 --> 01:21:56.609 just remarkable like again you say they they 01:21:56.609 --> 01:21:58.289 obviously went their separate ways before coming 01:21:58.289 --> 01:22:00.789 back and then they've gone and done it again 01:22:00.789 --> 01:22:02.430 because Lindsay Buckingham has gone from the 01:22:02.430 --> 01:22:05.619 band now and And sadly, Christine McVie is no 01:22:05.619 --> 01:22:08.319 longer with us. So I'll never get to see that 01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:10.859 era line up of Fleetwood Mac. And that's something 01:22:10.859 --> 01:22:13.760 I'm very, very bitter about. But yeah, like, 01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:17.260 who knows? Maybe those guys are kind of destined 01:22:17.260 --> 01:22:21.220 to come together and break apart until, well, 01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:23.199 until they all, like Christine McVie is done, 01:22:23.220 --> 01:22:25.600 until they all start shuffling off this mortal 01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:29.560 coil. And one track there, I was looking at the 01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:31.720 dance and I was trying to remember this song 01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:35.930 that I love so much. I'm so afraid. Oh, it's 01:22:35.930 --> 01:22:38.350 the fifth one right after they perform Riannon. 01:22:39.510 --> 01:22:42.850 Dan, I think that I got to go back and listen 01:22:42.850 --> 01:22:44.489 to it and see how much orchestration is going 01:22:44.489 --> 01:22:47.529 on. But just hearing that song in my mind, I 01:22:47.529 --> 01:22:50.329 feel like that's if I saw you perform live and 01:22:50.329 --> 01:22:52.109 I wanted to throw a real wild card out there, 01:22:52.149 --> 01:22:54.510 I'd say, hey, Dan, could you play? I'm so afraid. 01:22:55.510 --> 01:22:57.189 I think you might be able to do it. Might be 01:22:57.189 --> 01:23:00.649 able to do it justice. That's one. Thank you 01:23:00.649 --> 01:23:03.760 for the compliment. Two. Challenge accepted. 01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:05.699 I'm gonna go and have a look and see if there's 01:23:05.699 --> 01:23:08.000 a if there's a version of that I can put together 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.000 That's a that's a great cut. That's a good. That's 01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:15.859 a great choice the vocals especially Lindsay 01:23:15.859 --> 01:23:17.840 Buckingham spoke. I think he's lead vocals on 01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:20.619 that song. He is yeah, you should hear if you've 01:23:20.619 --> 01:23:23.430 not heard it you hear the the album version, 01:23:23.590 --> 01:23:26.090 which is on the album that came before Rumours, 01:23:26.270 --> 01:23:28.689 which is like their second, their second self 01:23:28.689 --> 01:23:30.369 -titled because there's a self -titled one from 01:23:30.369 --> 01:23:33.189 back in the 60s when they were a British like 01:23:33.189 --> 01:23:37.810 blues band. And then the Lindsay Buckingham Stevie 01:23:37.810 --> 01:23:41.489 Nicks era was kicked off by a second self -titled 01:23:41.489 --> 01:23:44.329 one. And I'm so afraid is on that. It's it sounds 01:23:44.329 --> 01:23:46.149 largely the same, but there's kind of there's 01:23:46.149 --> 01:23:48.729 lots of like dual guitars and things on. on the 01:23:48.729 --> 01:23:50.750 original and the key is a little bit higher so 01:23:50.750 --> 01:23:53.449 it's it's an interesting listen to hear the the 01:23:53.449 --> 01:23:56.770 dance version versus that one but uh yeah if 01:23:56.770 --> 01:23:59.170 you've not heard it check that out okay well 01:23:59.170 --> 01:24:03.390 is there um any other bands or podcasts that 01:24:03.390 --> 01:24:05.829 you listen to something that you'd like to promote 01:24:05.829 --> 01:24:10.729 things i'd like to promote oh god um in terms 01:24:10.729 --> 01:24:13.470 of podcasts and stuff uh nothing that's jumping 01:24:13.470 --> 01:24:16.720 out at me at the moment i mean Frank Turner is 01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:20.659 an artist that's very dear to my heart. He's 01:24:20.659 --> 01:24:23.920 an English singer -songwriter. I take a lot of 01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:27.600 my cues from him. He's like nine albums into 01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:31.060 his career. He's about to have his 10th one now. 01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:34.699 Very excited for that album to come out. But 01:24:34.699 --> 01:24:38.619 yeah, any album of his, his most recent one is 01:24:38.619 --> 01:24:41.960 an album called FTHC, which is short for Frank 01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:44.390 Turner Hardcore, which is like... a t -shirt 01:24:44.390 --> 01:24:47.970 design that he had for a while um that album 01:24:47.970 --> 01:24:50.930 is is outstanding start to finish uh his his 01:24:50.930 --> 01:24:53.630 very first album sleep is for the week is and 01:24:53.630 --> 01:24:57.050 but week is spelt w e e k like as in you can 01:24:57.050 --> 01:25:02.069 sleep in the weekday um love iron song the album 01:25:02.069 --> 01:25:04.560 that came off it Frank Turner's back up catalog, 01:25:04.659 --> 01:25:06.579 everybody just go and check or check all of that 01:25:06.579 --> 01:25:08.640 out. He's a difficult man to pin down in terms 01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:11.220 of which one is is his best. He takes a lot of 01:25:11.220 --> 01:25:12.979 his cues from people like Bruce Springsteen. 01:25:13.100 --> 01:25:15.340 So like that's that's what gives you the idea. 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:17.720 Like if you had like Bruce Springsteen with a 01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:22.079 very decidedly English voice, then yeah, you've 01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:24.920 kind of you're getting closer to what he's all 01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:28.340 about. Have you heard the band The Bug Club? 01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:33.199 The Bug Club? No. Buggers in like insect. Yeah, 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:35.319 I believe it's the bug club of my friend Tom 01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:39.020 Quay from the Alpha Metallica podcast he he turned 01:25:39.020 --> 01:25:42.300 me on to them and I know they put their they 01:25:42.300 --> 01:25:44.359 perform in the UK. They may be based there as 01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:47.760 well Yeah, the bug club. I'm gonna write that 01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:51.220 one down. I'm gonna give that a go in a bit I 01:25:51.220 --> 01:25:53.800 don't even know what how to describe the genre 01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:59.739 but out in the streets is a single Yeah, that's 01:25:59.739 --> 01:26:01.680 what I would throw out there and I was I'm just 01:26:02.240 --> 01:26:03.960 Wondering maybe if some of my other listeners 01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:06.979 in the UK have heard of Heard of this band as 01:26:06.979 --> 01:26:08.859 well, but he threw it out there. I checked him 01:26:08.859 --> 01:26:10.920 out I really like it. It was way off my radar 01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:14.020 I've got the bug club. There's some some songs. 01:26:14.260 --> 01:26:17.819 It's art marriage yesterday's paper Is that we're 01:26:17.819 --> 01:26:20.720 looking at the same band? Um, there'd be pure 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:25.779 particles. That's one of their albums Yeah, marriage 01:26:25.779 --> 01:26:31.239 is a single Green day in f -sharp. That's it 01:26:31.500 --> 01:26:34.300 That's a curious title. I would say some of their 01:26:34.300 --> 01:26:37.399 subject matter the the lyrical content is often 01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:41.359 irreverent Okay, so it's kind of silly like short 01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:45.420 and round Six o 'clock news by just to throw 01:26:45.420 --> 01:26:48.619 a couple of those out there We can't all play 01:26:48.619 --> 01:26:52.159 saxophones. That's that's a great title Yeah, 01:26:52.420 --> 01:26:54.239 they're good at least for some comic relief because 01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:57.520 I played it and my he's almost six but my five 01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:01.180 -year -old the backseat he loves Out in the streets. 01:27:01.340 --> 01:27:04.140 I think it is some of the stuff you if you listen 01:27:04.140 --> 01:27:07.899 to it's real catchy even for Your kid you could 01:27:07.899 --> 01:27:09.479 play it if you're riding around with your kid. 01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:12.760 That's cool. Yeah, I'm looking I can see here 01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:16.100 like it's got like fans also like and there's 01:27:16.100 --> 01:27:18.779 a bunch of bands there who I've I was just trying 01:27:18.779 --> 01:27:22.100 to see if there's anything like that I can latch 01:27:22.100 --> 01:27:24.239 on to in terms of like if there's bands that 01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:26.739 I recognize, there are no bands I recognize in 01:27:26.739 --> 01:27:29.300 there. But to me, that is that's that just means 01:27:29.300 --> 01:27:31.760 I've got a whole bunch of other bands to go check 01:27:31.760 --> 01:27:35.539 out now, too. So that's cool. Well, Dan, I don't 01:27:35.539 --> 01:27:38.479 know when or how you could ever make it over 01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:41.260 here. I'm on the Gulf Coast of Florida, close 01:27:41.260 --> 01:27:44.939 to the Alabama border in the states. But we've 01:27:44.939 --> 01:27:46.680 got certainly has some venues over here. If you 01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:49.220 ever come stateside and make it this far down, 01:27:49.619 --> 01:27:51.800 would love to see you. Wonder I I would love 01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:54.579 to and I've looked I've looked at into kind of 01:27:54.579 --> 01:27:56.560 coming and doing some shows in the states before 01:27:56.560 --> 01:27:59.859 but uh Yeah, your your your visa rules are a 01:27:59.859 --> 01:28:02.239 little bit on the restrictive and expensive side 01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:05.000 at the moment for me But I trust me as soon as 01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:09.260 I am Possibly able because I will play anywhere 01:28:09.260 --> 01:28:12.140 and everywhere that people will have me and if 01:28:12.140 --> 01:28:15.380 there is if there's a room full or even half 01:28:15.380 --> 01:28:18.319 full of People who are willing to listen. Yep. 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:22.319 Oh, I will find ways of doing it and be there 01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:24.539 Well everybody listening again if you're like 01:28:24.539 --> 01:28:27.500 me and you live in the states Or you're just 01:28:27.500 --> 01:28:29.880 not gonna be able to see Dan perform in person 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.779 for a long time There's plenty of stuff out there 01:28:32.779 --> 01:28:35.619 to sink your sink your teeth into go to the website 01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:39.520 It's it's Dan Thomas solo. It's like it's because 01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:42.319 it's like my name and then solo as in I'm a solo 01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:44.560 performer The only way it's all that's also my 01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:46.880 handle on the socials The only way I've ever 01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:49.359 been able to get people to remember it is it's 01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:53.100 Dan short for Daniel Thomas like the tank engine 01:28:53.100 --> 01:28:57.710 solo as in Han Solo That's the only mnemonic 01:28:57.710 --> 01:28:59.770 device I've ever been able to come up with because 01:28:59.770 --> 01:29:02.050 the reason being is that having a name like Dan 01:29:02.050 --> 01:29:05.090 Thomas makes me really, really difficult to Google. 01:29:05.270 --> 01:29:07.789 You just get a lot of Welsh guys on Facebook 01:29:07.789 --> 01:29:10.630 because Thomas is a very common Welsh surname 01:29:10.630 --> 01:29:14.949 for those not in the know. But yeah, because 01:29:14.949 --> 01:29:17.609 my mother didn't give me an out there interesting 01:29:17.609 --> 01:29:21.229 name and I have a very flat sounding surname, 01:29:21.729 --> 01:29:25.720 second name as well. Yeah, I had to just just 01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:28.460 put if I just put danthomas .com like that's 01:29:28.460 --> 01:29:31.220 taken. Let's put it that way. I could say annoyingly 01:29:31.220 --> 01:29:33.279 somebody already took Dan Thomas music. That 01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:35.939 was and it's not it's a page. It's not even being 01:29:35.939 --> 01:29:41.300 used anymore. So frustrating. But yes, danthomas 01:29:41.300 --> 01:29:52.079 .com. Well folks find him on on Facebook on all 01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:54.619 the socials check out the videos the darkness 01:29:54.619 --> 01:29:57.920 of me video crawling on the floor Holding on 01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:01.659 to you. I think you're gonna find something that 01:30:01.659 --> 01:30:06.100 will appeal to you Dan I hope I didn't take up 01:30:06.100 --> 01:30:09.220 too much of your time. I have just had a ball 01:30:09.220 --> 01:30:12.439 Not at all. I've had I've genuinely had a blast 01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:14.340 talking to you and this has been a lot of fun 01:30:14.340 --> 01:30:16.380 So thank you. Thank you for having me on and 01:30:16.380 --> 01:30:19.300 thank you listeners at home for checking out 01:30:19.300 --> 01:30:22.680 Dan's podcast and listening to me chat rubbish 01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:28.140 for way too long. No, no, you're just fine, Dan. 01:30:28.699 --> 01:30:31.380 OK, everybody. Well, that's it for this episode 01:30:31.380 --> 01:30:35.319 of Dan Time. And remember, find a common thread 01:30:35.319 --> 01:30:38.439 with folks. Get out there when you see people 01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:42.600 who are a little closed off. Sometimes you might 01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:45.640 read people wrong. They might seem arrogant or 01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:48.800 off putting. They may just be trying to get comfortable 01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:51.039 again and they're trying you know, or they may 01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:53.479 have just lost a loved one You never really know 01:30:53.479 --> 01:30:56.859 what's going on with people. So Yeah, try to 01:30:56.859 --> 01:30:59.619 find a common thread get out there Have some 01:30:59.619 --> 01:31:01.560 fun with yourself. I always come back to that 01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:05.319 theme Get on the back of a buggy a shopping cart 01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:08.079 at this part of the show Dan at the end I always 01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:12.199 ramble and it I never quite know how I'm gonna 01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:16.220 land it but No, that's great. I was going to 01:31:16.220 --> 01:31:20.399 add to add to that in all of that. In the in 01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:21.979 the spirit of what you were saying is there's 01:31:21.979 --> 01:31:25.140 a great line in the show, Ted Lasso, where he 01:31:25.140 --> 01:31:30.359 says, be curious, not judgmental. That's perfect. 01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:33.779 Be curious, not judgmental. It's like you say, 01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:36.159 you don't always know what's going on with people 01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:40.359 and. Uh, yeah, just approach everything with 01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:43.800 curiosity and empathy and you will go far. It's 01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:46.000 not something that we're always able to do. God 01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:49.779 knows. I struggle with it sometimes and for sure, 01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:53.119 but, uh, I always try and make it right when 01:31:53.119 --> 01:31:57.359 I realized that I've got it wrong. And if you've 01:31:57.359 --> 01:32:00.560 got an idea, Dan will tell you, get it down on 01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:02.800 paper. If you've been sitting on this for a while, 01:32:03.119 --> 01:32:06.260 if, if the pandemic, um, took the wind out of 01:32:06.260 --> 01:32:09.930 your sail. Maybe maybe right now is not exactly 01:32:09.930 --> 01:32:12.789 the right time, but keep that you got that idea 01:32:12.789 --> 01:32:17.050 Don't forget to write it out if you've got that 01:32:17.050 --> 01:32:18.989 guitar. It's been sitting there pick it up start 01:32:18.989 --> 01:32:23.670 writing But Dan this has been perfect. I would 01:32:23.670 --> 01:32:26.390 love to have you back on If we could do another 01:32:26.390 --> 01:32:32.020 episode next year sometime Yeah. I, yeah, you, 01:32:32.020 --> 01:32:33.899 you, you name the time and the place, man. And 01:32:33.899 --> 01:32:36.500 I will, and I will, uh, I'll, I'll move some 01:32:36.500 --> 01:32:39.840 things around and I'll make it happen. 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